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Tab Lewis: Welcome back to the Woman of God series on the Overflow podcast. We are so excited to be continuing our conversation together with you. Literally. As if. You were sitting at the table with us. sharing a cup of coffee or matcha or whatever it is you prefer to drink and just having conversation about
Tab Lewis: life and um purpose and just being a woman of God. And so we are so excited that you have joined us and that you keep coming back.
Tab Lewis: um I hope that you will keep coming back for these conversations. I feel like the Lord has given us a lot to. um share with you he's shown us a lot he's just invested so much into our lives and that we want to give all of that.
Tab Lewis: a away. to you um not as experts or those who think that we have it all figured out but just things that god has shown us and taught us and how he shaped us in all of these spaces of our life. And so we just want to give that away. to you so welcome back amy
Amy Hickman: Thank you.
Tab Lewis: um and uh So. We're here today. in episode four of this Woman of God series. And we want to talk to you about something that is extremely...
Tab Lewis: um dear and important. and and into our hearts. And we are so passionate about it that every time we get in this conversation, we don't even know where to stop.
Tab Lewis: Because we just keep going on and on and on and on.
Amy Hickman: but ah
Tab Lewis: and um we It just is awesome that we... um Just share our hearts, share the same passion for this. And I'm excited to have this conversation with you today, Amy. And we want to invite you.
Tab Lewis: into the conversation about mentoring and. discipleship. And what that means to. us as women of God.
Tab Lewis: um And what that means for us to. take that meaning and to actually give it away. to The women around us, the people that the Lord.
Tab Lewis: places in our life. um That we don't even. We don't make that happen. God just puts these people in our lives. And because we have.
Amy Hickman: right
Tab Lewis: um A right. understanding of what it means to be a disciple of Jesus and therefore to make disciples of Jesus.
Tab Lewis: we are able to um Just extend that. to the people that God places around us. and um
Tab Lewis: So we want to invite you into that conversation today and hopefully it will encourage you and spur you on. or it will spark something inside of you that you didn't even have awareness of. And before you know it, you are going to become a mentor to someone in your life, or you are going to invite someone into mentorship for you in your life. And so Amy and I were talking before.
Tab Lewis: we hopped on here for this episode and we were talking about how We. whether you realize it or not. You are...
Tab Lewis: discipling someone. one every single day. And... Whether you realize it or not, you are being discipled. by someone or something every single day. So the people that have access to you or that you give access to you.
Tab Lewis: um And the things that you give access to your. your heart and your mind and your ears. um they are influencing you in some kind of way.
Tab Lewis: They are discipling you. and so What we want to do is take a deeper dive into that today and talk about the importance of having an awareness of that.
Tab Lewis: And the importance of. of who those people are in your life they um They are difference makers. They are game changers.
Tab Lewis: um in this process of you becoming as a woman of God. And so. um Yeah. So Amy, let's talk about, let's talk about that today.
Amy Hickman: Let's do it.
Tab Lewis: um Why don't you share with us? um give us Give us a specific story about someone. Who has mentored you? in your life.
Amy Hickman: Okay. Well, first of all, like, what would we be drinking? What would you be drinking if we were in person right now?
Tab Lewis: ah Okay, so... It's um very hot right now. It is the summertime currently where we are.
Amy Hickman: So hot.
Tab Lewis: I mean, H -A -W -T. All caps, halt.
Amy Hickman: Yeah. Yes. Halt.
Tab Lewis: And. um I am not normally. a okay So I love coffee, but I have also been on this coffee fast because I'm in the season of running and training and it is not doing well for me.
Tab Lewis: And that I know.
Amy Hickman: oh my word.
Tab Lewis: It sounds crazy. It sounds weird. And we don't have time to go into it. But I figured out what it is that's holding me back. And it's coffee. So I'm not drinking it as much. But I am.
Tab Lewis: um I am blessing my life with it like once a week.
Amy Hickman: Mm hmm.
Tab Lewis: and I am a very, I'm a warm coffee drinker.
Amy Hickman: mm -hmm
Tab Lewis: um warm tea drinker. And other than that, I drink water. But. um I have been drinking. And they probably shouldn't go nitro if I'm only drinking coffee like one time a week.
Amy Hickman: ah
Tab Lewis: But i if I were sitting across the table from you today, right now, currently. in this moment, I would be drinking a... Nitro Cold Brew Coffee.
Tab Lewis: with I would prefer almond milk in it, but if they had... if they didn't I mean coconut milk, but if they didn't have coconut, I usually go with almond or altmon oat milk. And I usually get um cold foam on top.
Amy Hickman: Hmm.
Tab Lewis: And most places can add like, do you want lavender or vanilla or orange?
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: or So depending on. what mood I'm in. would depend on what kind of cold form I got, but it would be definitely be a nitro cold brew coffee.
Tab Lewis: with probably today lavender. Cold foam. A splash of coconut milk.
Amy Hickman: mm -hmm I could get on board with that.
Tab Lewis: Have a good one.
Amy Hickman: That sounds, yeah, I definitely love a lavender. oh
Tab Lewis: How about you Amy? What would you be drinking?
Amy Hickman: Oh, I'm on a brown sugar latte kick right now, so. that's you know it it it it does depend on where i go it's like i i go to a certain place and i'm like that's, I'm only going to get this thing there, you know, my son -in -law owns a coffee shop. And so I'm like, um if I go to, so if I go to his shop, I'm doing something with a citrus twist.
Amy Hickman: And then if I'm, you know, working out of a coffee shop every Wednesday like I do, it's the brown sugar latte. so
Tab Lewis: I love it.
Amy Hickman: Yeah, we'll see.
Tab Lewis: Yeah. um I agree with you. it it it It does depend on where you're going.
Amy Hickman: Yes.
Tab Lewis: Like I have.
Amy Hickman: Mm -hmm.
Tab Lewis: specific things that I like it depending on where I'm at and if you you know our area that we live in There are so many great coffee shops. Like...
Amy Hickman: So many. Yes.
Tab Lewis: We haven't been to them all. we We still are on this adventure of going to all the different coffee shops.
Amy Hickman: No. Never.
Tab Lewis: so we have
Amy Hickman: Yes. that should be That should be our next series, Tab. like We're going to review all the coffee shops and tell you where you can disciple those that you find a disciple.
Tab Lewis: I love it. i think we
Tab Lewis: Exactly. That will be a great follow -up to this one.
Amy Hickman: Yes.
Tab Lewis: we We not only are going to encourage you to disciple, we are going to make it easy.
Amy Hickman: Yes.
Tab Lewis: and tell you all the great places to go.
Amy Hickman: You won't even have to Google. We'll be your Google. but
Tab Lewis: we got it for you I love it that's awesome
Amy Hickman: Yeah. now I love, love, love this topic. uh it is uh Another one of those things in life God teaches me so much about.
Amy Hickman: but I go back to leaning into simplicity of relationship. I have. the firm belief that So much of the gospel is lived out around a table.
Amy Hickman: And I. Have had others sit. with me you know as as you asked about just certain mentors that have sat with me and Yeah, it's funny. when i look back on those times not one time did a woman say can i disciple you Can I mentor you? She just started spending time with me.
Amy Hickman: And I. I think I alluded to this maybe in our first episode about Woman of God, but I had my English lit teacher.
Amy Hickman: who just really sought me out to spend time with me. I went to boarding school because my parents were missionaries in Venezuela. And so I think you're naturally craving.
Amy Hickman: a like a relationship that kind of mimics. the fact that you're not with your parents you know and just have someone else older in your life and she It just was a natural thing. we would She would invite me over to her house. and um We never would have conversation that. what God was doing in my life didn't come up.
Amy Hickman: And that's really the center point of discipleship, if that's a new word for you. and ah to too churchy of a word it's really just sitting and learning from someone and um i wouldn't even say that i've always been like the best learner like student wise in school I was just yeah you know average and Yeah.
Amy Hickman: um It was spending time with these people because in that same period of life, I ended up having like three. women that really invested in my life and spent time with me. and Honestly. When you're in boarding school and not living with your mom, they're actually the ones teaching you things your mom would normally be teaching you. and so they're you know
Amy Hickman: teaching you the importance of why you want to make your bed every day and things like that. So it was real life stuff. but always under the banner of you know my relationship with God.
Amy Hickman: So. It was. It was like. Jesus with skin on and I'm like, I want to be that, you know, I want to be that for other people.
Tab Lewis: Okay.
Amy Hickman: too So I actually discipled um my first. person when I was like a junior in high school. I had a girl that I would meet with at boarding school.
Amy Hickman: but We would just have conversation, you know, and. um you know A lot of our conversation was about homesickness and things like that, but it was also about the fact that you know she was just learning new things about God, and we just talked about it.
Amy Hickman: And. easy breezy you know very natural and Not always fireworks, but... That was good.
Tab Lewis: Sure.
Amy Hickman: What about you? You remember a certain time?
Tab Lewis: Yeah, so... It's my journey's been. um I would say ever evolving.
Amy Hickman: o
Tab Lewis: this area. um, I shared I think in our beginning episode. when I was a young girl. you know, about my Sunday school teacher who I was extremely drawn to.
Amy Hickman: Mm -hmm.
Tab Lewis: And you you have ah when you're young, you're just like, oh, you know. she has a marriage like I want and she's, you know, Oh, she has a great career and she's a good mom and, you know, she carries herself well and she really knows who she wants to be and what she wants to do.
Amy Hickman: mm -hmm
Tab Lewis: So you're, you're looking to all of those things. And, um, You know, I. This, this topic. um this life.
Tab Lewis: style this design by God. You and I have talked about this. Discipleship is designed by God. I love how you. um you kind of centered us on that word it is it's literally just relationship
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: You know, it's... it's be walking with another individual and saying, Hey, I'm here with you. and And we're going to walk this together. And like you said, and sometimes it's not always fireworks.
Tab Lewis: Um, Sometimes you have to say the hard things.
Amy Hickman: Mhm.
Tab Lewis: you know um if you if you've ever walked in a mentor discipleship relationship with me um I don't make you sign a covenant in the beginning, but but we have a...
Amy Hickman: Yeah. Good.
Tab Lewis: We have a conversation around what this looks like, you know, because I take it very seriously.
Amy Hickman: Yeah. Mm hmm.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: You know, I take. Um, the time that I'm going to spend with you and. the things that you're going to ask me to hold and entrust me with. Um.
Tab Lewis: And the fact that that I'm going to be pouring into you is is is super, super important to me. and And I take it very seriously. And so we have this conversation about what that looks like. And it's a it's a mutual relationship, you know, that you are you're committing to the same thing to me. And so I'm looking for you to pour back into me.
Tab Lewis: Right?
Amy Hickman: Absolutely. mm -hmm
Tab Lewis: it's It's mutual. And so. um I've laughed about it you know in recent. you know, years of just like. on the backside, we just laugh.
Tab Lewis: you know All that make you sign. you know a contract not to scare anybody away but i just at that i'm so um passionate about it and believe in it so much and it's so impactful and life -changing and um
Amy Hickman: Yeah. Yeah.
Tab Lewis: That I feel like the expectation needs to be set from, a are you, are you looking for accountability?
Amy Hickman: mm -hmm
Tab Lewis: Are you looking for somebody just to kind of share something with? and and you know, just to listen and help you process through or you really want to walk through life together.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: um And. So... I think for me, I was sharing with you before, I've shared with you this with you multiple times. um I'm gonna get to answering the question.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: I do have a specific example, but this has just been a process for me. and I'll have to say that. There have been times I've been pretty disappointed.
Tab Lewis: Buy it. that I
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: um either and and And I talk to God about this often because if you know me. um I'm a lifelong learner. I do not think I know it all. I do not have it fit all figured out. and as As a matter of fact, if I'm mentoring you and walking with you, I'm going to probably tell you more things.
Tab Lewis: to ah to not do like me.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: than, than to do like me. And so
Amy Hickman: Yes.
Tab Lewis: But... But I've had very, you know. very ah real conversations with God about some disappointment around it. And I think As I have continued to flesh that out with him.
Tab Lewis: What he has revealed to me is that I've really kind of. hindered myself from receiving from people he's placed around me ah that that I've really missed out at times because I had an expectation for it to look a certain way.
Amy Hickman: That's good.
Tab Lewis: And because it wasn't looking that way. I almost rejected some things and that... hindsight right it's 2020 looking back and going oh wow
Amy Hickman: mm -hmm All right.
Tab Lewis: I really could have. there was more value there than I really grabbed onto. um because I had this expectation that it was supposed to look a certain way.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: And so. um just encouraging people to Let that be organic.
Amy Hickman: Mm hmm.
Tab Lewis: you know, um that sometimes you you even said, sometimes if people are going to come to you.
Amy Hickman: mm -hmm
Tab Lewis: And sometimes you're going to have to extend the ask. I've never had anybody but one person. And my entire life come to me and say. Hey, I think God's called me to you.
Tab Lewis: I think that's called me to walk with you. to mentor you, to come alongside of you. And so that's the story I'll share.
Tab Lewis: All the other times. I've had to seek it out.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: And I will say this, sometimes I've been. I don't want to use the word rejected. Because sometimes people will say no to you. because they also recognize the the weight of it and the bandwidth that it's going to require. And so the best thing they can do for you and to you is to be honest.
Tab Lewis: and say,
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: you know I just don't think that's for me at this time. So sometimes but people will say no, and it's not a rejection of you.
Amy Hickman: mm -hmm
Tab Lewis: It's just you know a self -awareness that they have and wisdom saying. Yeah. I would love to, but I can't be for you and give to you what you're asking for right now.
Tab Lewis: and so the i
Amy Hickman: Right.
Tab Lewis: I would encourage you to to receive that as a kindness from the Lord also.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: um But yeah, I was probably. Chris and I were into the thick of... ministry, planning a church. Um,
Tab Lewis: if you've ever been in full -time ministry if you've ever planted a church before you know uh, It's It's all in.
Amy Hickman: yeah
Tab Lewis: And then some.
Amy Hickman: all it
Tab Lewis: ah Yeah, it it takes so much.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: um and it And it's a family thing if you have children.
Amy Hickman: mm -hmm
Tab Lewis: You know, it's a. it's ah It's a whole team thing. And so we were in the thick of that. I was teaching some fitness classes at the time, wasn't on my radar to have someone pouring into me. um you know, just was.
Tab Lewis: Straight ahead, we're doing the thing. We're plowing, right? plowing toward the harvest and um I was teaching a fitness class at. Believe it or not.
Tab Lewis: The same Sunday school teacher. That I loved and admired.
Amy Hickman: Mm.
Tab Lewis: Had this fitness studio, knew that I was teaching Zumba classes, invited me to come to teach you know a class there and this woman was really good friends with her and a member of her gym And.
Tab Lewis: happened to be working out while I was doing like this pilot class of Zumba with these women.
Amy Hickman: well
Tab Lewis: And. immediately takes notice of what we're doing. And. Waits around. till afterwards. you know, to just chat and have a conversation with me, introduce yourself. We chatted. I didn't think anything about it. I thought it was awesome. I love stuff like that.
Tab Lewis: meeting somebody new.
Amy Hickman: okay Yeah.
Tab Lewis: And she continued to pursue me. Continue to reach out. We got coffee. We got lunch. um And. I'm saying this. I don't know that she'll ever listen to this, but if she does, we've had this whole conversation in the beginning. I thought it was really weird.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: i I was like, this is weird.
Amy Hickman: Ha ha.
Tab Lewis: What's ever done that you don't know me. You don't know anything about me. And you've. you want to Like. mentor me, walk with me, you know, get to know me.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: like and and so i did and we've had we had a i was resistant again going back to It wasn't looking like I thought it. was gonna look. So I was just kind of holding my hand out and creating space.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: and um You know, and she she is a believer. She's a phenomenal woman. um And. the more I got to know her. Oh man, the beauty that God brought to my life.
Tab Lewis: through her and Having her presence in my life. during some of the most challenging years, some of the hardest years of my life.
Tab Lewis: um is invaluable. Like I can't even.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: adequately convey. how much that meant. And I wasn't even looking for it. Again, thought that it was strange. you know in the way it all happened And looking back now, it's like, oh man, the Holy Spirit, literally.
Tab Lewis: dropped her down into my life. you know and this is this is when you know um
Amy Hickman: well
Tab Lewis: Going through church church planning, God closing those doors, it feels like it is a death. there that you have to grieve, um you know.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: my my whole journey and my marriage with you know chris's um rock bottom she was there for all of that and in my life for all of that and she was my person
Amy Hickman: well
Tab Lewis: She was the lifeline. The care for me. that i she She wasn't there for anybody else. she was She had no other purpose. She was there to sit. to practice the ministry of presence with me.
Tab Lewis: to sit with me. to encourage me. um i mean i don't even have the time to tell you all the things that she was to me But the Lord taught me so much about discipleship. through her.
Tab Lewis: And all of that was, was her hearing from the Lord. And saying yes to him. And then acting on what she heard in obedience to him.
Amy Hickman: Wow.
Tab Lewis: And she, man. I mean I rejected her hard.
Amy Hickman: Yeah. have
Tab Lewis: Kind of like somebody who's pursuing you to date you, you know, you're like, no interest.
Amy Hickman: Yeah. a
Tab Lewis: no thank you and she just kept I'd love to, you know, for us to meet for lunch. I'd love to get to know you more. you know. um And she did always did this cutest little thing. She would bring her a little notebook.
Tab Lewis: And she had a pen. And she would just, everything that I shared with her, she's like. I want you to know I'm not disengaged. I just want to have everything written down so I know exactly how to pray for you.
Amy Hickman: Oh, I love that.
Tab Lewis: and and she would she'd always just write you know everything down And she was so intentional. So her follow -up would be. Everything.
Tab Lewis: that I shared with her I've been praying for this. What has God shown you? I've been praying for this. How is God? shown up in this situation. you know and i'm just like Man, I... God, teach me.
Tab Lewis: in the ways that you've taught her.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: how to take that. And pour that into other people and be that. for other people not to be like her.
Amy Hickman: no
Tab Lewis: But what you are doing in her Would you? Would you pour some of that out? onto me and, and, and he did. And. um That's literally the only time that I've ever had anybody directly pursue me.
Tab Lewis: And going back to the rejection thing, I have asked people to mentor me. And. Dave said no.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: And I had to walk through the process of. They're not rejecting me. their best yes is a no. to me.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: Um. Yeah. So.
Tab Lewis: Why do you think, Amy, why do you think sometimes women... um Hesitate. to mentor. What do you think? That.
Amy Hickman: I had a conversation. Oh, goodness. So it's probably like three years ago. And really, you know, I'm going to. kind of frame it it. through the lens of my salvation story.
Amy Hickman: Which is is funny because my salvation story actually involved my Sunday school teacher as well. ah You know, I'm like the daughter of a pastor. who and and pastor's wife and they definitely set the foundation but it was actually a sunday school teacher that Let me. to Christ. I wanted what she had. It was beautiful how she described it. and you know, I
Amy Hickman: As I walk through this. whole journey of knowing more about Christ. And you see, I was seven years old when I was saved. And so I disciple.
Tab Lewis: Okay.
Amy Hickman: A disciple wasn't even on my radar other than... um knowing the scripture you're about go and make disciples of all the nations and um you know So there was a familiarity there, but I didn't understand what it meant to be discipled.
Amy Hickman: And. I think that for me having a story. where i was saved at seven and honestly I have walked with Jesus ever since and I celebrate that in my life because I haven't had a
Tab Lewis: again
Amy Hickman: you know look to the left, look to the right moment to tempt me. astray.
Tab Lewis: a
Amy Hickman: I haven't had some. You know, I don't have stories of addiction, alcoholism, ah rebelling against God. I am am grateful and I do ah i do attribute.
Amy Hickman: The fact that God did put women in my life. Eventually. to having that kind of a story because i I didn't feel like I was walking alone and learning things on my own. um I had people investing in my life. But I often...
Amy Hickman: I shared with the Bible study I taught three years ago that I often felt like I didn't have a story worth. worth sharing. And my daughter was in this Bible study and she came to me later and she said,
Amy Hickman: You have a story of longevity. with Christ.
Tab Lewis: a
Amy Hickman: And. It really has stuck with me. that if. you are saved and you are a follower of Christ, then you have everything you need. to mentor or to disciple.
Amy Hickman: And I think sometimes we discredit that we're not good enough. We don't have enough experience in life. we you know don't know what we're doing and so we're just like Why would somebody want to sit and spend time with me? I'm not that interesting And yet.
Amy Hickman: you know for me a lot of the wiring to want to sit down with people It's like if you know your love language and minus quality time, some of that is a natural thing for me because mine is.
Amy Hickman: Mine is quality time. Like I love one -on -one time. I'm introverted by nature. So one -on -one time has always felt safe to me. and
Tab Lewis: mm -hmm
Amy Hickman: sum of spending time with people. One -on -one has there has been that natural component but Some of it was born out of the fact. that There were seasons of my life that I I mean I had gotten spoiled by having people meet with me
Tab Lewis: mm -hmm
Amy Hickman: And then suddenly no one was meeting with me. And I was like, I missed it. And so I was like, well maybe I can do that for someone else. all the while still craving.
Amy Hickman: Two. be mentored or be discipled by someone. and so i ah I did have to put myself in positions of going and asking for that, you know, and
Tab Lewis: mm -hmm
Amy Hickman: ah Living the life I've lived in ministry, you are afforded, I think, some great opportunities, you know, like for us in the early days of church planting. I mean, you and I met because we put ourselves in a position to go and learn.
Tab Lewis: Mhm.
Amy Hickman: And sometimes you're you're being mentored and discipled on a large corporate scale like that, like going to a conference. or
Tab Lewis: Mm hmm.
Amy Hickman: you know And in that conference, you're being connected with people who... We'll sit down and... have a conversation with you you know and so you know in life we We're either walking.
Amy Hickman: ahead of someone, shoulder to shoulder with someone or People are walking behind us, you know or we're walking behind.
Tab Lewis: mm -hmm
Amy Hickman: And. Discipleship. Can come in all of those, all of those forms, you know, I mean, there's a mutuality when you're walking side by side, you know, there's like, gosh, God's.
Amy Hickman: I've been walking with Jesus a similar amount of time and God's doing some same things in my life. And so you have that shoulder to shoulder. And then you have those moments where you absolutely have to go and seek out.
Amy Hickman: Like. following someone.
Tab Lewis: mm -hmm
Amy Hickman: But you want to be careful in who you follow. If I can just say that disclaimer, you know, not everybody is out out there is consulting God's word. for advice they're giving you or for you know even simple conversation that they're having with you. And so you know you you want to put some effort into who you're asking to speak into your life.
Tab Lewis: mm -hmm
Amy Hickman: um But I encourage. you out there. I think a lot of our loneliness as women comes from just not asking.
Tab Lewis: mm -hmm
Amy Hickman: um for someone to meet with us and you know I experienced I personally experienced this a lot in friendship because I am I'm so passionate about quality time with people I tend to be the asker you know like let's get together um I think You know, the honest season I'm living in now is that um I don't want to be the asker.
Tab Lewis: Mm -hmm.
Amy Hickman: You know, sometimes you just sit in seasons where you want to be asked. And so, you know, in the in this framework of discipleship.
Tab Lewis: Yes.
Amy Hickman: I love it when a young woman comes and asks me. You know, I think it's like.
Tab Lewis: Okay.
Amy Hickman: It's such a win to see a hunger in a young woman. And so if you're you're a young woman listening, I would say. Seek out that relationship because here we are this more aged season of our life.
Amy Hickman: and A lot of our worth, we don't know what that is and we don't even know what it looks like anymore. But to be asked to. you know, and and be invited into someone's life. I don't care what age you are, it's always going to be a gift.
Tab Lewis: Ciao.
Amy Hickman: to be able to pour in So, you know, ah that mentor relationship for me, it's taken on various forms, you know.
Amy Hickman: I mean there have been seasons I'm just like. am I just going to be the mentor, you know, and not the mentee?
Tab Lewis: yeah
Amy Hickman: I need some inflow. Yeah.
Tab Lewis: and Okay.
Amy Hickman: I found it's very hard to find. I long for the day where it's not hard to find because women are seeing their value. And. how wise they are.
Amy Hickman: you know i i I don't really buy into the notion anymore that Um... Life should just be lived. privately and this is an introvert speaking you know I believe that people are longing to know that other people are going through what they're going through
Tab Lewis: Mm hmm.
Amy Hickman: and um It. it has to be shared you know like there has to be a mutuality because again world is bucking
Tab Lewis: hey
Amy Hickman: against us. and And we don't even have to, I mean, I do grocery pickup, you know, I don't even have to go in the grocery store.
Tab Lewis: Right.
Amy Hickman: I don't have to see people if I don't want to. And so this notion of inviting people into face -to -face conversation.
Tab Lewis: Yeah.
Amy Hickman: It's like, to me, I'm like, I always want to scream from the roof saying it cannot die. You know, it has to, it has to live on.
Tab Lewis: Yes. Yeah, isolation is a big fat liar. It just, in and I do, I. i see I see it too. I feel like it is a growing. um epidemic.
Tab Lewis: right now where you know Especially. Not all, not all, all women in our season of life and even older. um But, you know, I love that you.
Tab Lewis: um shared your heart because that is my heart too in Thinking through even what is it? mean to to be an ah a woman of God.
Amy Hickman: mm -hmm
Tab Lewis: Till. all the way to the finish line
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: you know that longevity and that longing to see women who are in my season of life and in multiple seasons ahead of me.
Tab Lewis: Embrace the the the beautiful truth and reality that you're not done. that we need you.
Amy Hickman: Right.
Tab Lewis: We need your voice. We need your wisdom. um We need... um all the things that you have to offer and i think that's the lie of culture and the enemy Where.
Tab Lewis: He wants women in those seasons of life. You know, we start to fight it when you become middle age, like we have nothing left to give.
Amy Hickman: Right.
Tab Lewis: You know, it's I do think that we are leading the midlife.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: Women are leading the way and showing.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: the younger generation and even the older generation oh no ma 'am it's only just begun
Amy Hickman: Right.
Tab Lewis: you know you hear it all the time as long as you have breath in your lung you still have lungs you have something to give away and it you know it's become cliche but it's so true and um You know, I think it's.
Tab Lewis: ah My prayer is that women... of all ages, but as set especially as you're leveling up in life.
Amy Hickman: Mm hmm.
Tab Lewis: That you. um start to notice
Amy Hickman: Mm -hmm.
Tab Lewis: Like that that your your spiritual eyes. um and your and your physical eyes are open to the the people, the women that God is placing around you. And obviously we're talking about, I think there's a lot of grandmothers who are pouring into grandchildren.
Tab Lewis: you know and in those kinds of things and i think that's beautiful and applicable
Amy Hickman: Right.
Tab Lewis: But when I'm talking about coming alongside another woman and and mentoring and discipling them, like. that they would just notice. Who's God placed around me?
Tab Lewis: And what can I give away? to them.
Amy Hickman: Right.
Tab Lewis: you know And it might be. that you are in a conversation. with someone. You love to bake. You've baked all your life.
Amy Hickman: mm -hmm
Tab Lewis: You can bake the best cake in the whole world.
Amy Hickman: Right. Okay.
Tab Lewis: And you're in a conversation with a younger woman who has a desire to bake a cake. to learn how to bake cakes, and you invite her over to your home.
Amy Hickman: Mm -hmm.
Tab Lewis: You know, and you show her how to make your. your Your chocolate cake. you know that is mentorship that's discipleship and that begins cultivating a relationship that will lead to when This younger woman is struggling.
Tab Lewis: In her marriage. When this younger woman's struggling with her identity, You're going to be able to look to her and say. Hey. Let me share with you where I've been.
Amy Hickman: Right.
Tab Lewis: Let me share with you how I navigated through that season. of my life or how i navigated through this hard. situation in my marriage, you know, and Or that that older woman is going to be able to look to that younger woman and go, I miss my husband.
Amy Hickman: Mm hmm.
Tab Lewis: I miss the companionship. just to enjoy where you're at.
Amy Hickman: yeah
Tab Lewis: You know. don't major on the minors
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: Um. and And do all the things that we talked about in the previous episode. Learn how to dream big together and fight well for. you know. each other and with one another. and And so I just think that. That is my heart too. I know it's our heart together that in our prayer.
Tab Lewis: is that the eyes of of the hearts of these women. would be open to those opportunities that have been placed around them.
Tab Lewis: um to to invite someone in. You were saying... Um, that. that You were talking about the young women that you're walking with. I would say.
Tab Lewis: Most majority of the women that I'm walking with right now, actually all of the women that I'm walking with with right now. approached me.
Amy Hickman: Mm -hmm
Tab Lewis: And asked me.
Amy Hickman: Hmm.
Tab Lewis: you know. And there is a hunger in this younger generation.
Amy Hickman: Absolutely. Yes.
Tab Lewis: So to all of the the midlife, older women, seasoned women who are listening, who think you don't have anything to offer, or it's not on your radar. There are younger women out there around you who are dying.
Amy Hickman: Mm hmm.
Tab Lewis: to be poured into who were dying for another woman to longing for another woman to come alongside of them and speak life into them.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: Um, and to give them. direction and guidance and hope. it's It's out there. I mean, I can't even walk with all the people. That. would love.
Tab Lewis: and mentorship and discipleship. And so, but yeah, I was going to say, they are coming, they're asking. You know, will you? I want to learn how to walk with God. I wanna learn how to be a woman of God.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: Will you walk with me? you know, my issue right now is
Amy Hickman: Right.
Tab Lewis: Um. Not saying yes. To everybody.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: you You know, you would.
Amy Hickman: Yeah. it's recognizing the bandwidth you know it's like is
Tab Lewis: The bandwidth. Yeah. It's wanting to be able to give your best to the ones that you are walking with.
Amy Hickman: Yeah, I think that really brings up a
Tab Lewis: um
Amy Hickman: Um... A necessary thing to talk about is that, and you really kind of have been touching it and what you're saying. Discipleship can be as messy.
Amy Hickman: As it has to be. and it doesn't fit in a nice Neat. box of what it looks like. and you know i think you know off off record when we weren't recording earlier and just chatting you know it's just like I think. that You know we we have this notion.
Amy Hickman: of what things are going to look like or should look like and then they don't look like that or Where are we going to find the time? And it's...
Amy Hickman: it's like i think we just over complicate it out of the gate before we even give it a ah try
Tab Lewis: Mm hmm.
Amy Hickman: you know and you know i have a um mentoring relationship I'm about to enter into. that the guideline for it is under ah an organization. I'm partnering with an organization. And so they're really only asking.
Amy Hickman: me to meet once a month. Well, do I have the bandwidth for once a month? Absolutely.
Tab Lewis: mm -hmm
Amy Hickman: I can do once a month. But then I have another relationship with another young woman where I'm going to meet every other week. And I have the bandwidth for that because it's blocked out in my calendar. and so We get to tailor these relationships.
Amy Hickman: to fit into life because the biggest. Um, force we have against us is busyness you know I mean it's just
Tab Lewis: mm -hmm
Amy Hickman: you know the One of the hats I wear is a women's ministry director. and you know We have made a conscious decision in our church to not have...
Amy Hickman: monthly events because women are so busy and so we do like
Tab Lewis: mm -hmm
Amy Hickman: You know, we really. focus on the back half of the year. And they know these opportunities are coming up. They can make. space for that into their life and decide what they're going to choose from but it's It's like everyone's overscheduled. already And so if we're overscheduling people.
Amy Hickman: And then asking them to enter into a relationship of... meeting weekly they're going to say no. or it it's not going to be done with excellence but we In the same way we focus on the quality of relationship and our personal relationship with God, we have to focus on quality.
Amy Hickman: when we're discipling others. too. It's like, make it worth their while. If you're gonna... If you're going to meet and say, I'm going to meet from. You know five to six on the day we meet meet from five to six
Tab Lewis: Yes.
Amy Hickman: Because if you meet from 5 to 6 .30 more times than you meet from 5 to 6, they're not going to come back. because they're they're not finding value in that. And maybe they are. Maybe you do want to extend it because it's enriching their life. but I think it's so important to realize it's not going to fit in a neat and tidy box.
Tab Lewis: Mm hmm.
Amy Hickman: it's gonna it it needs to It needs to fit in your life like you make it work. you know, for.
Tab Lewis: Yes.
Amy Hickman: you know, how it fits into your life. Cut the excuses.
Tab Lewis: Yes.
Amy Hickman: of why it can't work and focus on why it can.
Tab Lewis: I love it
Amy Hickman: Yeah. and what you're giving them.
Tab Lewis: Yes, I love it. Yes, that is so huge because The... if you If you out the gate. start trying to figure out all the reasons why it won't work, it's not going to work.
Amy Hickman: No.
Tab Lewis: you know you will talk yourself out of it and as you were sharing all of that I was thinking about I have gotten so creative. At times.
Amy Hickman: yeah
Tab Lewis: and how I meet with people.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: I mean. I have early morning phone calls while I'm walking. If they can't meet me to walk with me we talk on the phone.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: You know, um I have Zooms.
Amy Hickman: Mhm.
Amy Hickman: Mm hmm.
Tab Lewis: with people. Because that that fits in. their schedule um we have i've been at parks swinging babies
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Amy Hickman: Mm hmm.
Tab Lewis: um I've gone to their house. you know, and We've talked during nap times, you know.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: um You get... creative you can a like you said you have to have the conversation and set the expectation I can give you...
Tab Lewis: One Saturday a month.
Amy Hickman: mm -hmm
Tab Lewis: of my time.
Amy Hickman: Absolutely.
Tab Lewis: I can give you. um It doesn't mean that you can't have texting conversations or phone conversations, but, you know, this is.
Amy Hickman: mm -hmm
Tab Lewis: You can say, I would love to pour into you. And this is what this is. what I can give you. of me.
Amy Hickman: Right. Yeah.
Tab Lewis: to give you my best. And I think if you have those conversations up front and you set the expectations and. Kiki to what you said. Stick. to your plan
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: if you can If you can meet from five to six, that's the expectation.
Amy Hickman: mm -hmm
Tab Lewis: table the the conversation until next time.
Amy Hickman: Right.
Tab Lewis: Or. schedule a phone conversation. to to finish it out, but meet from five to six. And because you want to honor your time. And you want to honor their time. and you know, I think that I think the we are past the point.
Tab Lewis: of making excuses.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: Because honestly, if you want to get down to the heartbeat of it. Um. As a woman of God. A follower of his way.
Tab Lewis: It is actually a part of being a follower of his. It is a is actually a biblical mandate.
Amy Hickman: Absolutely.
Tab Lewis: as a follower of Jesus to make disciples. And that's what this is. That's what we're talking about.
Amy Hickman: Yeah, I mean, it's a be it's a beautiful relationship, you know, that.
Tab Lewis: And so...
Amy Hickman: um Sometimes just just taking that step. back and looking at the big picture of You know, do I want this beautiful big relationship in my life?
Amy Hickman: We talked our first episode, you know, about our church's motto of being missionaries where you live, work and play.
Tab Lewis: Mm hmm.
Amy Hickman: And. I love that. i I can listen to those words and I can find freedom that If I am I remember years ago that I had a school teacher friend ask me to come and lead a Bible study for a group of teachers.
Amy Hickman: And I loved it. And then You know, when I couldn't lead one, they're leading themselves or someone is appointed to disciple that group, you know. and It doesn't have to be in. a church building it can be you know we've already talked about the coffee shop it's you know, seems to be the natural meeting point for us and our.
Amy Hickman: you know culture today
Tab Lewis: mm -hmm
Amy Hickman: But it's just where can you just share real, raw conversation? and One of my favorite images that I just keep in my mind.
Amy Hickman: To this day, it was years ago. And I remember actually you and I used to meet at Panera all the time in our town, you know, and it was like a.
Tab Lewis: Mm hmm. Yep.
Amy Hickman: Great meeting spot. I remember being in there And. I can't remember who I was with, but I looked over to my left and there was a woman in her 70s.
Amy Hickman: And she was meeting with Bible in hand with a 22. 23 year old. young woman.
Tab Lewis: Yeah.
Amy Hickman: And I was. Captivated. by their conversation. I mean, I was unashamedly eavesdropping on this conversation and she had her Bible open and they were discussing
Tab Lewis: Yeah. Duh.
Amy Hickman: a passage in Philippians. And I remember hearing this 70 -something... a year old woman say I can't stand that it says...
Amy Hickman: to do this you know like this is hard for me and I am struggling and you know it's like I want to throw myself on the floor because I know that this is God's truth but I am struggling to live it out
Tab Lewis: but
Tab Lewis: mm -hmm
Amy Hickman: And I'm watching this like 20 something year old girl just. she's just like You know your body language it was like there was freedom and hearing that this 70 -something year old woman doesn't have it together But... It wasn't in a nice that nice, tidy box.
Amy Hickman: But it was just real conversation that she was struggling. And being vulnerable and being real. And that is all that young woman needed.
Tab Lewis: Mm -hmm.
Amy Hickman: is to know. That.
Tab Lewis: Yep.
Amy Hickman: She didn't have all the answers, but she was. Bible open. trying to figure it all out. you know.
Tab Lewis: Right. Yeah.
Amy Hickman: i mean Isn't that just a beautiful picture? of discipleship you know because It's like you said, we're discipling. people. some kind of way all the time.
Amy Hickman: Are we discipling them to...
Tab Lewis: Yep.
Amy Hickman: you know, draw near to the Father? Or are we discipling them to, like, you're going to find your happiness the more online shopping you do and the more clothes you buy? Or you're going to find joy if you're...
Amy Hickman: you know, in this certain type of relationship with a man, like this is the dating relationship you want.
Tab Lewis: Mm hmm.
Amy Hickman: Or are we? Are we? living out real lives. that show we need the father and that we need. to know him. more than any other thing in our life and that's what i saw that lady do that day i mean
Tab Lewis: Yeah.
Amy Hickman: it It was beautiful.
Tab Lewis: Yeah. I love it. ah Going back to that mutual. um transaction. in the relationship, the mutual vulnerability. I remember a young woman who I walked with for a she she'll always be in my life, but I walked with her for a specific season. she Pretty major.
Tab Lewis: life transitions happening kind of back to back. and um The relationship was pretty organic. And then then we moved into an intentional time of, hey, will you really mentor me during this season of my life? and Um.
Tab Lewis: I remember there was one day we were meeting together and man, I just. I was having a hard. I was having a hard time. You know, I had some stuff going on personally. and um i just embraced Instead of canceling,
Tab Lewis: And, you know, because. yeah That would have been the easiest thing to do. I embraced the relationship and and I leaned into it and I was open and vulnerable.
Tab Lewis: And real and. It gave her. an opportunity to encourage me. you know, and to to pour back into me.
Amy Hickman: Yes. Nope.
Tab Lewis: And i I remember leaving that time with her going. This is what it's all about.
Amy Hickman: Mhm.
Tab Lewis: You know, and that. That she felt the freedom. and the comfort. comfortability and the confidence. that Yes, you have something to offer me.
Tab Lewis: you know and it was just um encouragement from the lord that
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: that that that the relationship was it moving in the direction that he had really designed it to move in because it is that. It's ah it's a mutual. connection.
Tab Lewis: And... It does require some vulnerability, you know, intentionality and vulnerability.
Amy Hickman: Absolutely.
Tab Lewis: and But I do believe that it can be. It can be so beautiful and so... rewarding and so life -giving. um in in ways that you can't, you don't get that.
Tab Lewis: in any other relationship. you know you don't get that in any any other way. and um So what let me ask you this. What what do you think that... um older women should.
Tab Lewis: intentionally be passing down to younger women.
Amy Hickman: I think that it's a lot of what we've talked about like just a realness and a rawness and um kind of modeling vulnerability because it's hard to ask others to be vulnerable in a relationship if we're not.
Tab Lewis: mm -hmm
Amy Hickman: But. What I believe older women. should be passing down as found in Titus 2 and You know, it's. realizing they have this knowledge of God. that women want to know. You know, we talked about this off recording earlier.
Amy Hickman: and just our time to chat together but We often, as women of God, Know the right things to do.
Amy Hickman: And. what we should be doing. what will benefit us and i'm talking about in a spiritual sense but we actually don't know how to flesh them out.
Tab Lewis: Hehe.
Amy Hickman: You know, like. um I mean, maybe we call it best practices. Maybe we... you know just call it living and we We don't always know. like How do I go and make disciples of all the nations?
Amy Hickman: When I've got. children grabbing me around the ankles and I don't feel like I have another spare moment. Will you begin to see your children as the ones you are discipling?
Tab Lewis: Right.
Amy Hickman: And. you know, ah I was a... Young woman. I wanted to know all the things you know that the makings of a godly wife and the makings of just a domestic you know,
Amy Hickman: person You know, like. how to cook a great meal. you know I remember a lady took me to her house one day and taught me how to make mac and cheese. And you were talking about the whole baking cake.
Amy Hickman: thing earlier and i was like i had somebody do that with me with a mac and cheese and
Tab Lewis: Mm hmm.
Amy Hickman: My family. loves that mac and cheese to this day because she took time to teach me.
Tab Lewis: Yeah.
Amy Hickman: And so ah I think sometimes we're just like, All right. What what do I have to pass on and sometimes it's just c certain it's just basic knowledge, you know, like how to can a vegetable, how to, you know.
Amy Hickman: Um... we've talked about cooking. I mean, there, there's so many things, how to cross stitch, you know, I mentioned cross stitching to someone the other day and they were like, what? Is that?
Tab Lewis: What?
Amy Hickman: in Maryland. It's probably why I can't see today because you have to have a lot of focus and concentration. You know, and my eyesight is so bad. but um You know, that can be Just.
Amy Hickman: Things that young women want to know that who else is going to teach them unless we do. But I believe wholeheartedly that the women that I. get to meet in my life that They're hungering for someone to show them.
Amy Hickman: how to be a woman of God. they they They think, oh, that sounds like a big, huge title.
Tab Lewis: Mm hmm.
Amy Hickman: to possess, but For me, if i'm if I'm, you know, taking my myself back to my 20s, I want to know a real woman who is vulnerable.
Amy Hickman: who says, I don't have it. all figured out, but I know the one who does. and they're They're showing me. not the churchy things, but they're showing me the real things.
Amy Hickman: And. That that. is really what I crave to this day. i I mean we're all older than somebody. You know, there's somebody older than me.
Tab Lewis: Right.
Amy Hickman: that
Tab Lewis: Yep.
Amy Hickman: I'm looking for but What I'm in all honesty seeing and having conversations with women who are older is that. They're discounting their value.
Tab Lewis: Mm hmm.
Amy Hickman: so much that they feel like they don't have anything left to give when You know, who's saying that? Lie.
Tab Lewis: Right.
Amy Hickman: And you know I just know that we're believing it.
Tab Lewis: Right.
Tab Lewis: Right.
Amy Hickman: And. uh I think we have to realize that. You know, one of the greatest things God is teaching me right now at this stage in my life is to own my wisdom.
Tab Lewis: Hmm.
Amy Hickman: And... that I can find confidence in what I am. I've lived through. And. I am living through.
Amy Hickman: And I can share that. You know, because, I mean, if you think about it, Tabitha, like some of the most difficult situations we've been in in life where. we've We've really felt depleted in our faith.
Amy Hickman: We need to borrow the faith of others.
Tab Lewis: Mm -hmm.
Amy Hickman: Yeah. i think that we don't really realize how accessible that is to us that we can go to someone in our life who...
Amy Hickman: is walking in tight relationship with God and just tell them listen I need to borrow some of your faith right now Yes. to help me get back to the place. where you are.
Tab Lewis: Yes.
Amy Hickman: And... That. And how are we even going to know who those people are if we're not being women who are passing that stuff down? So you know that that may be kind of a rambling way to get.
Tab Lewis: Absolutely.
Amy Hickman: you know the answer that you're looking for but You know, I can only put myself in the seat of remembering what it was like to be a young woman. and i wanted.
Amy Hickman: a woman of God to just show me. you know, how to how to study my Bible. how to you know pray, to take the pressure off of me.
Tab Lewis: Yep.
Amy Hickman: to understand that God's not keep keeping a time clock on me about the amount of time I spend with him. He just wants to spend time with me. I just needed someone to.
Tab Lewis: Bye.
Amy Hickman: to share that with me. and so you know I think if you're... Looking. to disciple right now. that Maybe you're in that stage of life and you're like, I don't know where to begin.
Amy Hickman: Well, first of all, you just begin in God's word.
Tab Lewis: Mm hmm.
Amy Hickman: Yeah. Begin in the Gospels. And start talking about it and so and start. looking together for the character of God and see what conversation comes out of that because you know, just as much as You want to know each other.
Amy Hickman: Can you imagine getting to know each other because you're getting to know the character of God?
Tab Lewis: Hmm.
Amy Hickman: even. deeper. So, you know, that that we all just have to start somewhere, but I have found that that is like one of the best pieces of wisdom someone has given me is to just start in the Gospels.
Amy Hickman: because
Tab Lewis: Yeah.
Amy Hickman: The Gospels When you get to looking at them, you're going to, you know, soon find they're repetitive.
Tab Lewis: Okay.
Amy Hickman: They're telling the same story from four different lenses. so
Tab Lewis: Right.
Amy Hickman: you know, it's gonna stick with you.
Tab Lewis: Till.
Amy Hickman: as you study those things together and in turn you're going to get to know the heartbeat of God and the person you're sitting across the table from.
Tab Lewis: Absolutely. Yep. And, you know, even thinking about being a woman of God, I think. it's, it's. You said owning your wisdom, which is so true.
Tab Lewis: So true. It's. being confident. and who we are.
Amy Hickman: hello
Tab Lewis: as women of God, who he created us to be.
Amy Hickman: Right.
Tab Lewis: And then taking that the ownership of that and all that we've learned. And our. journey of becoming in him. And then just giving that away.
Amy Hickman: Right.
Tab Lewis: you know It doesn't have to fit a mold. um You don't have to have all the right answers. I think I think one of the most important things to encourage everybody listening is.
Tab Lewis: um you're not entering into this relationship to fix the other individual.
Amy Hickman: Exactly.
Tab Lewis: You can't do that anyway.
Amy Hickman: Nah.
Tab Lewis: Right? You're not entering that relationship to have all the answers. to um you know. heal them restore them redeem them any of that to fix them you're in the relationship to grab their hand.
Amy Hickman: who
Tab Lewis: and to walk them toward the one who can.
Amy Hickman: That's right. stripe
Tab Lewis: and in along the way. impart the wisdom that God has shown you. in your walk. towards him.
Amy Hickman: Right.
Tab Lewis: And. um really ah we've We've said this. Multiple times. It's really that simple.
Amy Hickman: Yeah. It is.
Tab Lewis: It's really it's really you have everything you need right now to give that away to someone else.
Amy Hickman: That's right.
Tab Lewis: You don't need anything else. And and like you said.
Amy Hickman: Yeah.
Tab Lewis: If you're looking for somewhere to start. start with the ultimate example of a disciple. And a disciple maker is Jesus in the Gospels.
Amy Hickman: Yeah. That's right. Mhm.
Tab Lewis: and um you know i just i know that we have been praying hard for um for this subject for um This.
Tab Lewis: these relationships to to grow and to to be made manifest and around us in our churches, in our communities. I know it's...
Tab Lewis: It's at the heartbeat of heartbeat of God. And um I know that we. R. passionate about it. He's given us a a fire for it and that, you know, we live on mission to.
Tab Lewis: help cultivate this around us. and And so I'm just super grateful for. the opportunity to have the conversation around it today. I hope that it will.
Amy Hickman: absolutely absolutely
Tab Lewis: Continue. to encourage women. um who are currently in. mentoring relationships i hope that it will spark a an awareness And women who.
Amy Hickman: Mm hmm.
Tab Lewis: are completely, it's not on their radar, you know, and then I pray for the woman who
Amy Hickman: Right. Yeah.
Tab Lewis: feels inadequate.
Amy Hickman: mm -hmm
Tab Lewis: who feels... Like. They have nothing. to offer, nothing left to give. um who may... be sitting there going.
Tab Lewis: I really. need a mentor myself I need to be the one being mentored instead of being the one to mentor and I would say to you in that that
Amy Hickman: Mm -hmm. yeah
Tab Lewis: One of the things that I have learned in my... own journey of discovering. um mentorship and discipleship is in this, in the times where I am lacking the greatest comfort that the Lord has brought me.
Tab Lewis: And the encouragement that he has brought me is to give away what I wish I was getting.
Amy Hickman: Yes.
Tab Lewis: Be that person to someone one else.
Amy Hickman: What's good?
Tab Lewis: Um. And so that would just be my encouragement. you know to you today and um Again. If. You want to have. deeper.
Tab Lewis: more um intentional conversation around this with Amy or myself. um We will in the show notes, we will include our um social so you can reach out to us and contact us. We would love.
Tab Lewis: Two. get around the table again and have conversation and help guide you in this. um And I have. multiple women in my life that I would love to say.
Tab Lewis: Hey, I've met someone new that that's looking to enter into this relationship.
Amy Hickman: had
Tab Lewis: And so. There's opportunity. The harvest is. There is plenty. out there and so please please feel free to reach out to us and we just
Amy Hickman: Absolutely.
Tab Lewis: Yeah, we thank you for engaging with us today. and um Pray and ask God. To show you.
Tab Lewis: What? Do you want me to do next? with the conversation that... I entered into today with.
Tab Lewis: with overflow and he will show you he will be faithful to show you exactly um what he has for you next. So thank you for joining us and we cannot wait until next time.
