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What Is The Lymphatic System? with Sabrina Sweet - E33
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Ever wondered why your body feels bloated and heavy, even when you’re eating well, exercising, and doing all the right things? What if one overlooked system in your body holds the key to feeling lighter and more energized?
In this episode, we break down one of our body’s most misunderstood networks, the lymphatic system. We’ll delve into how it acts as our internal detoxification highway and demystify its role in everything from bloating and blockage, to overwell wellness. We’ll explore the benefits of lymphatic massage, its effects on fluid retention, and how it can aid the body’s natural detoxification processes. If you’re looking to optimize your health and be your best self, physically and mentally, this episode offers a look at the system that keeps our bodies in balance.
Sabrina Sweet, or "Miss Lymph", is a former professional dancer turned lymphatic massage therapist. She is recognized for her intuitive approach to body wellness and recovery. Her journey transitioned from the rigorous world of dance to the holistic healing arts, emphasizing the importance of the lymphatic system in overall health. Sabrina's clients benefit from her unique understanding of the body's needs, acquired through years of dance and subsequent therapeutic training. Operating in Los Angeles, her expertise in lymphatic massage is increasingly sought after for its profound health benefits. Sabrina's practice champions a balanced life, encouraging clients to integrate wellness routines with joyful, mindful living.
“Try to be healthy when you can. Don't be hard on yourself if you have a bad meal or if you have a little bit too much extra wine … Recover the next day, have some grace, drink some water.” - Sabrina Sweet
In this episode you will learn:
- Sabrina's journey into lymphatic massage and its historical significance, despite being perceived as a new trend.
- A detailed explanation of the lymphatic system and how lymphatic massage supports immune system function and wellness.
- How lymphatic massage provides health benefits beyond aesthetics, such as reducing inflammation and promoting detoxification.
- The importance of balanced lifestyle practices, including meditating, mindful movement, and maintaining social connections, for overall health.
- Sabrina's personal routines and tips for sleep and stress management, with insights into the role of magnesium and sauna use.
- The value of listening to your body’s needs intuitively and maintaining a balance between health practices and enjoying life’s pleasures.
Resources
- Connect with Sabrina on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sabssweet
- Find out more about Miss Lymph and her lymphatic massage offerings: https://www.misslymph.com/
- Shop all the products Sabrina mentions in this episode: https://alively.com/products/sabrina-sweet
This podcast was produced by the team at Zapods Podcast Agency:
https://www.zapods.com
Find the products, practices, and routines discussed on the Alively website:
https://alively.com/
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Transcript
Introduction and Guest Background
00:00:00
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There was a lot of moments of feeling very alone with owning a business and people aren't always doing their own things. And I think for me, it just got to a point where I was just like, no one's gonna remember me for my work, my business, my money, whatever. They're gonna know me for how I showed up for them. The friend I was, the listener I was, that matters more to me than putting all my eggs into my work basket.
00:00:27
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This is the Home of Health spam podcast, where we profile health and wellness role models, sharing their stories and the tools, practices and routines they use to live a lively life.
00:00:41
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Sabrina, welcome. Thank you. Happy to be here. I am happy you are here as well because you actually practice immodality that I am not sure I'd heard much about maybe two months ago. And then now I hear it everywhere. We've had a few guests that is showing up on theirs. A friend of mine where I live in my gym, who I work out with, she's like, Hey, you know, now I do this. And so can you share a little bit about your journey into lymphatic massaging?
00:01:10
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Yeah, definitely. It's been like quite an interesting journey actually. And it's funny because I think people still call it like new when it's been around forever. It's just obviously with I think being in LA and like social media, things just appear new because it's now talked about, but it's been around.
Understanding the Lymphatic System
00:01:30
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But my personal journey was lymphatic is I was a dancer my whole life.
00:01:34
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So that was like my career. That was my bread and butter. And it's still my number one passion. But um obviously with dance, it's like you have only so long to really take like, you know, have that career because, you know, as we get older, our bodies are breaking down. It got to like my almost late 20s where I was like, OK, I think I need to find something else to do as like alongside dancing, you know, just in case. So yeah.
00:02:02
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Being a dancer, we were so involved with like the body and having to be very aware of muscles and the feelings and whatnot. So we were very intuitive with the bodies being a dancer. So I was like, okay, I could do nursing, I could do fitness, or I can do massage. And just massage just sounded so much more intriguing to me than the other two. So I went to massage school.
00:02:26
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had every intention of doing like sports massage and deep tissue. I started learning lymph and I was like, I don't know what this is still, but it's interesting. So I still really had no idea. And the way I learned in school was a very light method. So it was kind of boring in a way, okay but something about it was still really intriguing to me. And I think it was like the science behind it that I was like, Oh, I've never even knew what this lymph thing was.
00:02:56
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For our listeners, can can you explain maybe a brief intro on to the lymphatic system and and the purpose behind? Yeah. So the lymphatic system is pretty much like your immune system. um It kind of sits right under the skin, but also scattered all throughout your body. It consists of the lymph fluid, the lymph nodes, the lymph organs, lymph vessels. And its main job is to pretty much fight invaders in your body to keep us healthy.
00:03:24
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so i had be no Most people don't even know it's there, but it's a huge, huge, huge role in wellness. And I think the more I started learning about the lymph, I was like, why are we not talking about this? Or why are we not doing anything about this? like This is huge. It's our army, our army bases. It's everything right that's protecting us. Yeah. Yeah. like In my head, I'm like such like a creative too with being a dancer. So in my head, I think of these little like cells with like armor like knife armor and they're like going around our bodies like this like Killing things and making sure we're healthy and if we have a cut Oh, we got to fix that and we got to do this though
00:04:01
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It's just like amazing. I don't know. The more I learned about what lymph actually does, the more I loved it.
Lymphatic Massage Misconceptions
00:04:08
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And I also think with ah LA and how things get trendy, you know, there was a big, like everyone wanted lymphatic because of like an aesthetic purpose or a before and after, which is cool and it's great, but it's so much more than that. Yeah. So maybe touch on what that, cause that's, that's what I see a lot. It's reducing bloating, right? That's ah a big thing that it's supposed to do.
00:04:31
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Which is great. we all We all love bloating being reduced. But I think with a lot of um a lot of places, it kind of comes across like this is a weight loss thing only or get skinny quick kind of thing. And it's it's not that. you know It shouldn't be that.
00:04:48
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um But you know instead of, it should be like, let's heal you from the inside out. Let's move out the excess water that we're holding that might be holding on to diseases and just bacteria and things that we just don't need.
00:05:05
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Yeah, so that excess water that we're storing, it's not like it's distilled pristine water. There's there's microbes, there's other things in that. Yeah, there's things that sits in this that, you know, and then the way I like to explain it to people and like my clients, especially just to paint like a visual.
00:05:23
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It's like if our body was like a water hose and you know, like water hose is when it has a knot inside and one side of that water hose just starts building and building and building. That's like our bodies. So that's how sometimes we get inflammation or swelling in a certain area. That's sometimes that area is not the problem. It's coming from somewhere else. Yeah. As someone that has a bursitis right now, right? I'm retaining some fluid in my shoulder that I i don't really want there. Yeah. And a lot of people like,
00:05:51
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For instance, a lot of women, or sometimes even men too, carry a lot of fluid around their pectoral muscles and their lats and their triceps. And they're like, oh, it's the problem. And I'm like, is it though? It could be the armpit and the lymph nodes around that. That's blocked or retaining. OK. And so what does a lymphatic massage look like? like How long does it take? what What does
Benefits and Experience of Lymphatic Massage
00:06:13
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it feel like? So for mine specifically, they're about an hour to two hours. um I don't do bisection only because I do believe you need a full body to drain to get a full drain. So you can't just do the stomach and think you're gonna be okay.
00:06:27
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You know, you got to get the legs in there, you got to get the arms, you got to get the face. Like it takes the whole body to really move to get that drain longer lasting. And is this it's kind of flushing out the system is the idea. OK. Yeah, it's flushing out the system. Its its goal is to eliminate the toxins through excretion. So obviously the excretion won't be right away. Thank God. Right.
00:06:51
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But it'll be like throughout the next few days of like, you know, urine, stool, runny nose sometimes, um sweating, like all these ways of excretion is how we're going to start eliminating all those um things inside us that we don't need. Yeah, I mean, because I think when we think about recovery, a lot of times it's especially when it's around fitness or anything. like You talked about initially going in as thinking a sports massage. right It's the muscles. We need to recover the muscles, and and that's a side of it. But there's this entire other system working 24-7 in overdrive, trying to keep us safe from a pretty rough environment. like It's certainly more more sterile today than it used to be.
00:07:36
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but That could also need a lot of focus on recovery. And and it sounds like that's what you're doing for people. A thousand percent. And I mean, we definitely need muscle recovery. Like I do think with lymph, when muscles are so tight and tense, it could block lymph. So you need both both and right. yeah But there is a whole nother um part about recovery that you know people don't really do. like I'm not a huge fan of HIIT workouts personally, for especially for women. I think it causes a lot of stress on our bodies that are already stressed, you know where I think sometimes our lymph needs something a little more caring and a little more
00:08:20
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like relaxing, nurturing, yummy, to really get your body to be in a parasympathetic mode. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we we live so much of our lives in that fight or flight. I just had a friend that actually got um injections into her vagus, like in her neck. And she was like,
00:08:40
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The world looked different. I mean, this was a week later and she was saying that for four years, I'd been living in this uber heightened state and everything just looked different. she She just was such a proselytizer for it. And we don't realize that we're just living at this level all the time. You need to to bring it down.
Balancing Hustle and Rest for Health
00:09:02
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Totally. I mean, and that and that's everything. I think that's the hustle mentality that there is out there now. I think it's the needing um to get the quick fixes and to do more, do more, do more, do more when it's like, no, less is more for everything. I think, you know, and especially I think with the environment and how everything's going and I don't know if you're in l LA. I'm not. and Yeah, I live in Bermuda.
00:09:26
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Good for you. Way slower paced, but I mean, with here in l LA too, it's very, it is very fast. It is very hustle. And I'm like, sometimes they just need to breathe and pause and relax and slow down and just do the walk. You don't need to run. Just do the yoga. Our bodies actually need more than that because we have so much stress surrounding us 24 seven. So to find those little pockets where we can fully recover and relax and just try to de-stress.
00:09:54
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On that, I mean, how frequently do you suggest people do something like this? Lymphatic massage wise, my clients come like once a month. The way I like to think of it is it's really hard to escape like toxicity in every form. Like we still have to live our lives and have a good amount of balance and still enjoy and have fun. So I always say like go do your thing, try to be healthy when you can. Don't be hard on yourself if you have a bad meal or if you have a little bit too much extra wine, like you did it, great.
00:10:27
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recover the next day, have some grace, drink some water, and then once a month, let's just drain out those toxins before we put some more back on. Like I'm not gonna tell everyone to be like, you can't drink alcohol, you can't do this, you can't do that, you have to do that, because it's not it's not realistic.
00:10:41
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I know with the brain at least, like a lot of the the toxins and things that that get built up, it's our sleep that is the natural cleaning and flushing
Sleep, Detoxification, and Night Routines
00:10:51
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system. Does that work for the lymphatic system? That that that is an important part of that as well. Rest and sleep is crucial. And that's something I'm actually working a little bit more on now myself is like, I got my Oura ring.
00:11:04
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yeah and tracking my sleep and I'm like now obsessed obsessed with it a little bit because I'm like, I didn't get my crown today. I'll sleep a little more tomorrow, but it is a huge part of lymphatic. For instance, I feel clients and they're like, I eat right. I do all the things. I'm healthy. I do yoga twice a day. Great. Are you stressed? Yeah. Are you sleeping? Not really.
00:11:30
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Hmm, I think that has a lot to do with it, you know, so I think when someone does have high stress and has a lot going on like in their heads at night, it does, you know, um affect their sleep, it all starts in the mind, I think. Well, then it impacts everything too. So yeah you said now that you have the aura, you're looking more at it, you're you're tracking more. What are your routines and practices now, now that you're seeing what works, what doesn't? How do you think about that?
00:12:00
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A big one for me was eliminating screen time. Okay. And my phone, because I know with the phones, obviously there's ah all the blue light stuff going on right now with the phones too, but also it's just like the imposter syndrome, what people are doing, that it's an addiction. The mindset side of it too. Yeah, it all sits in your head and you're like, oh, I have to do this, I have to do that. And then you go to sleep that way, but and now I can't sleep.
00:12:27
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So it's stopping my phone earlier. I actually, even on my iPhone, there's ways to not so change the setting of the lighting. Yeah, yeah like that three-click red light. yeah Yeah, so I do that a lot. And I even do black and white mode for a lot of the day, which is um it's hard to read and hard to see things, but it does help me not be on it so long, and it helps my eyes. And I actually feel such a difference with like headaches and eye strain also.
00:12:54
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Yeah, so what is that kind of nightly routine? I mean, do you think about when you you eat to when you put the device away to like how that whole process plays out? Yeah, so I do a lot of sauna in the evening because sauna makes me so sleepy. um I have my office actually in my back house, so it's really easy for me just to sauna and then come home. So great that way. But if anyone has access to a sauna, I would ah love that in the evenings. It's one of the best things for us.
00:13:23
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Do you have a barrel sauna infrared? Like what kind of sauna do you have? And Fred sauna. Yeah. And it's just, it helps. I get so tired after and it just puts me already in like a good, like I feel healthy leaving there, you know, and then finish off with like a nice fast, not too hot, not too cold shower. I put magnesium oil, the symbiotic spray one on the bottoms of my feet. Okay.
00:13:45
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And I also use a symbiotic, um, like chocolate liquid. They put on the screen too. Um, I take that before bed also, and it kind of just helps your body recover, helps you sleep. But magnesium in the evenings is also fantastic. Yeah. And I like it both on the bottoms of the feet and, um, to address it also because they have different benefits.
00:14:05
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I had a spray for a while and it was like underarms and bottom of the feet. It was certain absorption points. Yeah. Yes. I love that. I love that at night routines. And that's actually something that I'm working on coming out with myself too. Oh, nice. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because, you know, we just, we just sleep there. That's the best time to get as much stuff as we can while doing nothing. Like letting your body just do its thing.
00:14:30
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I mean, it's it's actually when we learn.
Mindfulness and Fitness Practices
00:14:32
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this is I came across that and then so now with my daughter when she's learning her new spelling words, whatever it is, it's like yeah before bedtime, this is a good time to do it because then we we'll go down to sleep and know how to learn it while you sleep. Totally. I even started doing um like the affirmations at night where you listen to stuff and it's like,
00:14:48
Speaker
At first, I'm like, what am I doing? like Why am I listening to this? But then later on, like you start seeing differences of like how you show up and what you believe about yourself. It's actually pretty interesting. no you talked about It isn't just the blue light and the engagement that they can make it hard to go to sleep. It's also what you're putting into your mind and the mindset that you have. so One of your practices, it sounds like, is go to black and white because it makes it less engaging. I spend less time on it. Do you have any other kind of mindfulness stress management practices that you incorporate into your days or weeks?
00:15:22
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Yeah, I do a lot of meditations. Meditating has been really good for me. I love that more in the mornings. It's just a nice way to start the day. Sometimes in the evenings, I just fall asleep and then I don't get to do my affirmations. So I'm like, ah I get to relax. So my mornings is just a nice way to like ground myself. It just starts my day on a right note. So I like to meditate in the mornings. It's a huge one for me.
00:15:48
Speaker
Use anything for those meditations? Is it just you or do you have apps that you use? No, i use I use two different apps. um I use Open. Open's app is really good. And then there's also this influencer who has her own also called her name is Stephanie Flockhart. And her affirmation and like her morning meditations are amazing. Do you have a meditation cushion? Like how I found for me, it made it so much more comfortable when I had something sitting on just how am my tightness my legs. I just sit on my grass.
00:16:19
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Okay. Oh, beautiful. So you're grounding while you're doing that. Yeah. Yeah. In the backyard. I can't do the front cause I'd be too distracted with like people walking by, but no grass in the backyard is just, that's perfect. If it's unless, if it's cold, then I'll just put the ah blinds up, have the sun come in and just do it inside.
00:16:39
Speaker
You mentioned you don't recommend HIIT so much. ah You mentioned yoga, maybe walks. What what is your kind of fitness and movement routine and practice? A lot of walking. I actually gave myself a challenge this year and I got rid of my car.
00:16:57
Speaker
oh wow okay in LA and I'm like if I need to go anywhere I could walk there and if it's too far I'll just Uber but um a lot of walking like if I want to get my my nails done it's a treat to myself I'm gonna walk there you know if I'm gonna go take a workout class I'll walk there I do a lot of EMS workouts also have you heard of those I don't know, what's yeah EMS? It's like a suit that you put on, someone comes to your house and like operates it for you. But um it's pretty much suits that are contracting your muscles in specific areas. So you're working out while it's contracting your muscles. And it's also really nice for your lymph. So I do that as well. What kind of classes, you said you walk to the classes, what kind of classes do you do?
00:17:40
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hot yoga, yoga. I started getting a little bit more into like cycling too, just to change it up a little bit. Yeah, that was fun. And it was different. But I tried to mix it up. I have class pass. So if I get bored of one thing for too long, I'll go and like, try something else. As much as you're walking, do you think at all about do you find there's certain shoes that are more comfortable to get you out walking more than others?
00:18:06
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Not too much. I probably should like I know on clouds are really good and light. I'm not like a huge like runner, per se. So I've never really been into like what shoes do I need for roads or this or that.
00:18:21
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But I just use New Balance's. I think they're comfy and they're good. I have high arches and it works for me, but I know shoes because my mom and sister are both big runners and um they they work with different things also. Like my sister's an on cloud girl through and through and while my mom's a Brooks girl. so i yeah Every feet is so particular and different depending on the shape, your arches, your inversions, um all that stuff. There's so many factors when it comes to shoes, I think.
00:18:50
Speaker
And they can change with time. right the The shape of your feet, if you do wear heels a lot, or don't wear heels, or you have more spread toes, like it all changes through life.
00:19:01
Speaker
It definitely changes. um and that's i mean yeah I wear a lot of heels too. They're not the best for your feet, but it's something that I i dance in a lot. like it's my It's a huge workout for me too. It's dancing and then the heels dancing. That for me is like a big form of self-expression and getting into the feminine. and I love it, but I know later on i'm like oo my feet. I don't know if my love my people love that later or my hips might not like that either. Also, so it's you know, find the balance again, balance is like a big word for me. It's like, if you like something and you enjoy it, then do it just you know, counteract it with something that's gonna also be beneficial in other ways.
00:19:42
Speaker
You actually said something earlier about you were a dancer, and it's very intuitive. You can feel your body. You can sense what it needs, how to move it. And we've had Lauren Sanpatero, who's a Broadway dancer, as well on the show. We've had Nicole Wilde, a yoga instructor. And envy is probably the wrong word to use. But I certainly respect that intuitiveness ah in terms of being able to sense, oh, today,
00:20:12
Speaker
this part's not feeling right, here's more what my body needs. And so this is the kind of movement I'm gonna lean into and away from this. Whereas I find these online programs and I just go do them regardless of how my body feels. And then I get hurt and and I have all these issues. So for someone like me and maybe more than just me in terms of the listeners, for people less attuned today,
00:20:35
Speaker
to those signals from their body. As someone who and it built that over your life and then you're very attuned even to other people's bodies as a therapist, how do you suggest people start building that insight and that knowledge, that self-knowledge?
00:20:50
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yeah so i actually had um client tell me this tip. And she was a Oracle reader. So she does a lot of readings and does energies. And she can just feel people's energies and their spiritual bodies and what they need, which is really cool. I've never done anything like that before. But he put it in a way that I was like, OK, everyone could actually use this because it is a really simple and effective way to kind of see what your body really wants.
00:21:23
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and she kind of stated like okay well if you just sit down close your eyes just really just sit into your body do a little like okay check in with your feet check in with your hips check in with your your gut check in with your chest like go through each chakra right and then let's say you have two options of things to do right you have your yoga on your you know your left hand and you have your hip workout on your right hand Just kind of sit in with it, feel your body and kind of like, okay, does this one feel good? No, let me step back a little bit. How does that one feel today? I'm actually, that kind of makes me nervous. I don't really want to do that one today. Go back. Okay. Yeah. Yoga feels really good today. Like that's what I want to do. So it's like actually taking the time and the moment to sit, go through and scan your body and really just try to think of like little circles around each of these options. Like, okay, which one does it really feels good? You know? Yeah. like the whole flip the quarter game, and if it lands on heads and you don't want to do heads, then you're like, great, I'm going to do tails. Now I know. yeah Right now I know. I thought I was 50-50, but I'm clearly not. yeah You're like, dang. That's always a way to kind of determine. Yeah, I'm really curious on that.
Intuitive Movement and Exercise Choices
00:22:32
Speaker
I could definitely use more of it, but there's a flip side. I just had a blog post I published this week on leaning into discomfort. So the the former IBM CEO, Jenny Rometti, was saying,
00:22:44
Speaker
And she was speaking with Adam Grant about the the times that she's learned the most, that she's advanced the most is in these periods of discomfort. yeah And so sensing the discomfort and and then always shying away from it, you know sometimes it may be preventing an injury, sometimes it may be preventing growth. And so it's this really hard line to navigate. I think it goes back to the word balance.
00:23:07
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like And also maybe seeing if it's something that you're just scared of, or if it's something that doesn't feel good. yeah you know okay and But I get that too. like You definitely have to step out of your comfort zone sometimes to really learn things.
00:23:26
Speaker
You know, yeah like go going cycling was definitely out of my comfort zone. I've never like it. That is not my thing. Was it fun? Yeah. Now I know, but then now I think it's good to try things that are out of your comfort zone. So now it's in your body. You know what it feels like. You know, so I definitely don't knock things until I try it. But if it's like, Oh, you know what? My knee really hurt during that class. Like it hurt really bad after. Do I need that right now? Or do I do something more restorative? You know what I mean? So I think it's always good to try things.
00:23:56
Speaker
At the right time, I mean, I do go back to something you said earlier as well on it of finding that right thing for you because it's it's less important that you run or do yoga or cycle or lift weights than that you get up and move and do something. And whatever it's going to be that's exciting to you, enjoyable to you, that will get you to do it more, that's the right thing. 100%.
00:24:23
Speaker
I was having this kind of kind of argument with someone at the gym today who was saying, group classes are terrible. So, well, because he's a personal trainer and saying, well,
00:24:34
Speaker
Look, I get the individual, the very personalized, that is better. But if for economic reasons, time reasons, whatever it is, social reasons, yeah people are not going to do that, but they will do this. yeah I'm sorry, I can't say classes are and always bad. right like yeah Classes could be the best thing if that's what's going to get somebody to move.
00:24:55
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It doesn't have to be 100% of the time, right? Like you can mix it and do these different things. Yeah, no, it's so true that like every everyone just needs and requires so many different things like who that class that they go to might be their one chance of getting community that day, you know, so right there's so many things that people like need and doesn't have to be the physical it could be like like the emotional, the support, the community, it could be anything. So I think there's something for everybody and there's no right or wrong, there's no better, there's no, any of that. It's just whatever you look forward to, go fricking do it. You know should do more things that make us happy and that we look forward to and jump out of bed for. Besides the walking, are there any things that you do at home that you have? They say, hey, I don't have to go to a gym or a class. I have this if I want to get this kind of movement while I'm here.
00:25:45
Speaker
I dance. Oh, amazing. I blast my music and I dance. You have a good space to be able to do that. Oh, great space. I mean, everyone does. like You can make space. You can dance in the shower. You can dance anywhere. Like, I think that's actually a big thing that people get scared to, not people, adults get scared to do because they they feel like they're gonna be judged, even though they're by themselves. like When was the last time like you danced by yourself in your house just the way you wanted to, like a kid? Yeah, I mean, with my daughter. like I have a young child, so yeah, I love doing it. Okay, well, yeah, that's great. But I think it's like getting back into that like childlike fun and like some like um who doesn't like dancing, you know what I mean? And throwing on your favorite song. like I think that's such a good,
00:26:31
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way to feel emotions, self-expression, getting out of stress and anxiety. It really is a great way to just shake up your mood and it's still good for your heart. Yeah. We had another guest, Amy Greenacre, her handle is Green Shaker because of the way she moves on the dance floor. I love it. Her big thing is moving her body like that through dance.
00:26:56
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and it not only can help tell you how you're feeling, but you can also dictate how you're going to feel by how you end up moving. It's this virtuous cycle. yeah it's It's a wonderful thing. and it could be It could be something that just makes you happy or it could be something that's like, hey, I'm going to put on a really sad song and just move that way because I need to cry, but I can't, and maybe this will help me. Yeah. Do you ever use music ah like before bed? Do you have any kind of songs? thatll Sometimes to wind me down, um I work on a lot of clients daily and I always just play like music. like um I don't really play spa music. I play more of like Leon bridges, like relaxing, but like words in songs. So I listen to music, I think 24 seven. So of that if I were to listen to music before bed, I would keep listening and I would like start making playlists for every mood because that's the person I am. So I try not to. But um yeah, i listen music's everything to me.
00:27:56
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Shapes my mood, helps my, you know, it helps my grounding. Sometimes I play it for meditations if I need to. I mean, there are theories that language evolved from music, right, from singing. It's just that yeah singing and that dancing is what it is to be human. That's how we move. That's how we express. Yeah, I know. That's like one thing I do always tell my clients. I'm like, you know what? Just go put on a song, either scream it out, cry it out, or go like twerk it out.
00:28:23
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and like I like that. That's gotta be the quarter. Yeah. ah Right? It helps. Well, because it all interconnects,
Holistic Health and Nutrition Philosophy
00:28:31
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right? Like like everything that you're saying through this of, oh, yeah, I eat right. I exercise right. I'm doing this. But are you sleeping? No. Well, you you have to do it all. You can't you can't ignore that. I tell it to clients all the time. It's like, yeah, lymph is great. Lymph is so good for us. But it's not it's not the answer to everything. and And it's just something along your health journey that and ah and bits of knowledge that will help to get you to where you need to be.
00:28:57
Speaker
You know, but everything changes constantly as, you know, humans and our bodies as we get older. So it's like, okay, getting pieces of that, getting pieces of this, that, okay, yeah, my limb feels good, but my muscles are really tight or my stress is really high. So it's just gathering it all. And again, just assessing your your body as much as you can. In terms of assessing your body, you're obviously very intuitive and thoughtful on how you move or recover physically um Do you have that kind of same sense in what you eat and how you fuel your body? I do, but I'm a very much of a balance there too. I love food. I'm such a foodie. A good meal and a good restaurant and a good glass of wine, I am so happy. like It's a love language. like I'm so happy.
00:29:48
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So yes and no. I think when I'm out, I'm not going to restrict myself on things that I love and feel like, oh God, I wish I got the fries. You know what I mean? Because at the end of the day, it's like, live your life.
00:30:02
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Right, like I feel like I'm gonna be more happy if I have that side of fries with my one meal that week. You know, so it's balanced. When I'm home and I'm on a routine and I'm working, that's when I try to keep myself a little bit better. Like, okay, I'm going to do a lot of my clean proteins, have my like arugula salads, have my water and lemon in the morning. Lots and lots of water actually. That helps flush the lymphatic system. Yeah, yeah. And then maybe like a little bit of like sweets or dessert here and there. But like, I'm not super strict where I'm like, needing stuff, you know, like, if I want a chocolate, I'm gonna have a piece of chocolate.
00:30:43
Speaker
I mean, I would still put that the bucket of being intuitive back to the yeah you can intuitively sense your your body is needs yeah and then intuitively sense your like emotional or psychological needs to say, hey, like both are important. I need to feel engaged. I need to enjoy this. This isn't just fuel. This is, as you said, my my love language is maybe like with the classes, this may be my social outlet to go out with friends and I'm not going to say, oh, no, no, I can't share acts because I have all these hard and fast rules.
00:31:13
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But, I mean, don't get me wrong, there has been times, like especially recently too, where I may be overindulged in something and I'm like, wow, I feel like complete right now. And the thing is, I'm not going to like put myself down about it. I'm going to have grace with it because I did it to myself.
00:31:30
Speaker
And you know what, tomorrow's a new day and we're going to just, okay, um I'm going to be a little bit better tomorrow. Yeah. It's just learned from it, right? Like when, when I have three brownies, I'm like, you know what, two might've been fine. yeah Not me last night, but, um, but no, you just kind of have to have grace, put that aside. It's a new day. Don't stress about it. I'm not going to like cry about it. It's like, okay, I did that. It was tasty. We got it a little bit today, but you know, we're going to, we're going to be better today. It's fine.
00:31:56
Speaker
Are there any foods you try to make sure you get in? I mean, you mentioned clean proteins. You mentioned arugula. Are there any that you say, hey, like in the course of a week, these are some of the things I really want to make sure I consume because of their nutritional content or whatever it is?
00:32:10
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Yeah, my body, my person, like I know everyone's different for this, but I crave like good quality red meat. like My body needs that nutrients. I think there was a long time I didn't have much steak, so I think I was very low on that iron, so i like my body just craves it. My body also craves fruit, like like clean, good fruit. like I know in the evenings I crave um cherries, but it has a natural form of magnesium.
00:32:37
Speaker
So cherries in the evenings for me is like my, like, I love it. It's sweet. And it helps me go to bed. And in the mornings, I love grapefruit. So I just kind of go off of things that I like crave at that moment that I'm like, okay, yeah, my body must need that, you know? Yeah, this is a good encouragement for anyone listening.
00:32:58
Speaker
to just pause and and try to listen to those signals themselves, right? Instead of just doing of like, hey, here's what I do. I have oatmeal every morning for breakfast, or I have ah pancakes, or I have eggs, whatever it is, like this is my routine, and I do it. Routines are great, and they can be helpful. But there's also a place to to listen.
00:33:16
Speaker
Yeah, it's so true. I actually had to um more recently, I had to get rid of a lot of foods. Okay. So I did have to up other things that I really do enjoy, because I'm lacking some things that I also enjoyed as well. But my body needed it. What drove that that would that you had to pull some things out? A parasite cleanse.
00:33:36
Speaker
oh wow okay Yeah. So going through that was kind of cool because you learn your body in such a new way. Like you got rid of so many foods and then when the end of that cleanse came around and you started introducing stuff back, you know, what's not good for you. Like personally, you can feel it individually. Oh, you could feel it. Like, especially if you're so good for a month and you let you know that start bringing in one thing. Let me try this. Let me try that. Um, it was wild. Like I'm like, wow. Okay. Yeah. I definitely can't have eggs.
00:34:05
Speaker
okay You know, like certain things that are, yes, they're good for a lot of people, but for me individually, that's... i you know anxious I can't do that, I can't do aches. So it's like, okay, well, how can I look forward to my mornings in another nutritious way? you know That still gets my protein, but you know you know how can I supplement this into something else? And and do you supplement with protein do you or do you get enough from the steak? I try to get a lot of protein just because I am like, I try, I work out once a week and my personal goal is to up my protein to gain more muscle. So I try to find it in other ways, like I do a lot of like turkey bacon.
00:34:42
Speaker
with fruit and maybe like a clean dairy-free yogurt. um So stuff like that. Like I just try to get a little bit like a good amount of protein in each meal. Okay. So you don't have to use any kind of protein powders or anything. It's it's all from the foods. No, all from food. I'm a really big, um I love like getting all my stuff from food. Like even pro probiotics from food. Like I think everything you can get in a supplement, you can get from food.
00:35:09
Speaker
For sure. i mean Soil quality comes into play at times. right like so you You mentioned you do the magnesium to to help with sleep. Do you find, like I guess probably not now as much, but you could think maybe I need a supplement with iron or sesperilla to build up my iron. Are there any other deficits like that? You say, hey, I try to get as much as I can from my food, but like magnesium, these other things,
00:35:33
Speaker
Yeah, magnesium was like the one that I was like, I think that I can use a little more help with the magnesium um because I feel like you don't really get them too much from foods. Iron, I get enough from food, yeah like which is great. um I was doing a pre-probiotic and i I didn't find them helping, to be honest. So I started doing kimchi and it works like that. So it's just kind of funny to see like where you can actually get it from food instead of, you know, a supplement.
00:36:02
Speaker
Yeah, it's just a yeah I know like with kimchi or sauerkraut, right? Some of those naturally fermented, some people can't do cabbage in the fermentation. So it's like you said, so personal to what you can do. Exactly. Exactly. So some people need that extra little push from something if they can't have because there's so many allergies and restrictions out there too. So you got to just do what you can.
00:36:26
Speaker
So magnesium is the only one you have to do. you You've been able to get everything else. Yeah, I try not to do much protein powders. I try not to do a lot of smoothies, yeah personally. I think I just was talking to an acupuncturist recently who was saying women actually need more of that warmth.
00:36:44
Speaker
in the bodies it's like a yin energy kind of thing and um that was pretty interesting because I was like oh I do have a lot of smoothies so I just made it a pact for myself to kind of cut back on the smoothies maybe do like one a week ah but to try to get warm so warm My nutritionist, when I make a smoothie, has me add ice cubes because she's worried it's too warm on the blending, and you're you know coming more from the Ayurveda world. So it's funny. Yeah. That's a whole other realm that I would love to eventually know more about, but it's so interesting. Like the yin, the yang energy, and who needs the warmth, and the cold, and i'm like and the the masculine side, and the feminine side. I'm like, there's just so much.
00:37:26
Speaker
And this is also another big thing that I tell my clients because there is so much out there right now with supplements with you got to do this, you got to do that, you got to not have smoothies, do have smoothies, not protein. There's so much out there and it's so stressful. So I'm like, relax. If something just gets your eye, try it, you know, try it. If you don't feel anything, give it give it three weeks. If you don't feel much out of it,
00:37:53
Speaker
but with that one away you know so there's just a lot of info out there so i just tell them just try to don't do everything at once because it can be very overwhelming but do what you feel called to Yeah, and that that is a big part of the show, right? Like, we're we're as guilty as anyone of putting more information out there. yeah The idea, I think, is over and over making the point there's not this one right answer. And if you're not doing these hundred things, you're failing. it's yeah Wow, these are these incredibly vibrant, healthy people.
00:38:27
Speaker
and they go about it in these different ways. So back to me listening and sensing, what of these resonate with me? Wow, okay, that sleep routine really clicked, but this other person's movement routine really clicked, and this other person's nutrition. And let me piece it together to find what works for me to live that lively life. Yeah, it just takes a little bit of, I think, just research and understanding and getting to know our own personal bodies to really know what's for us.
00:38:57
Speaker
You mentioned with the classes, right like that may be a way people get their social connection. that That's when they're engaging with people.
Social Connections and Work-Life Balance
00:39:05
Speaker
And I find as we think about, hey, I'm healthy, right I'm eating the right stuff, I'm moving my body the right way, even if I'm getting a good amount of sleep, I meditate, I think about my stress management.
00:39:15
Speaker
That social connection side can often fall by the wayside at the expense of maybe some of these other things. But you seem to keep a very healthy balance of saying, hey, I'm not going to close the door on this because I'm over-optimizing here. How do you think about how you cultivate that deep social connection that makes your life so enjoyable? You kind of just have to. I feel like, especially as a business owner, it's a there' is moment There's a lot of learning and they're still learning. But there was a lot of moments of feeling very alone with owning a business. And um yeah, and people aren't always doing their own things. And I think for me, it just got to a point where I was just like, no one's gonna remember me for my work, my business, my money money, whatever. They're gonna know me for how I showed up for them.
00:40:13
Speaker
and the friend I was, the listener I was. And um yeah, that just, it just, that matters more to me than... for putting all my eggs into my work basket. I love my job, I love i love miss being miss-length, but I'm also Sabrina, and I'm also a good friend, and I'm also a daughter, and I'm also a sister, and I'm also dating, I'm also this. so it's like I think people always say, nope, you just have to be here, and like if you want this, you have to work hard. yeah
00:40:44
Speaker
But I'm still in my 30s, this is my prime, and this is my time to have more life experiences, too, with my people I love in my life. So for me, that's a huge that's really important for me, and it's setting boundaries. So for me, it's I have two phones. I have a work phone and a personal phone. yeah After my work hours, my phone is in the room on silent. I'll answer to tomorrow you And people are like, well, it's clients. You could be getting clients. I'm like, if it's important, they can wait. like My mental health comes first.
00:41:14
Speaker
No, I can go i could go on about this, but it it took some time because I used to be terrible. I used to answer people at like midnight. And I'm like, I have to stop that. Like, i that's not sustainable. That causes burnout. You know, and, you know, life too short. Gotta still like be able to go out with your friends and go to the beach and not have to stress.
00:41:35
Speaker
It's so important. I was giving a talk to a company ah around a book I wrote and talking about deciding what you want to put into your mind and when, like setting those parameters. And for example, email or social media, whatever, that people are just pushing into you and then you're you're handing your mind to them. And someone had asked a question saying, hey, look, I get it, but i'm I'm in sales. And my dad always said he was so successful in sales because he was the first to get back.
00:42:04
Speaker
ah He was always there the first to get back. yeah And the response was, that's fine. But that needs to be your decision, not his, of what is more important to you to to feel that you don't carry this dress, you don't carry this burden, you have this social life, or to be the best at sales. And neither is right or wrong. It's just you need to know what you actually want versus you wanted it because you were raised in an environment that thought that was more valuable. Do you actually think and feel it's more valuable? And it's it's a journey, right? Like you said, you started in one way and then you look up and you're like, no, this isn't actually what I want out of life.
00:42:44
Speaker
much better to find it in your 20s and 30s than in your 80s, right? when It's your way further down the line, have less time to to benefit from that. Yeah, it's so true. And I think it's, you know, I think it's okay to always change how you show up for things. And it's just, it's okay to pitch to pivot and really anytime and to be like, okay, this isn't working. Actually, let me try it a different way. And It's fine, you you can try it, it might not work, but then you're like, okay, that didn't work, let me go back. like It's okay to change. I think people like feel like they have to stick with a certain way and a routine and I'm like, no, well, if it's something's not working and it's not feeling you in some way, then how can you change that? you know It's self-discovery. You gotta go different routes and some might suck, some might be fantastic, but you don't know. you know i like I definitely it was in a,
00:43:31
Speaker
I was in one of those moods this week, actually. And i actually, you have to have your community of other people to be like, no, you're fine. It's just a speed bump. yeah You're gonna be great. Pause, reflect, reassess. What's not working, what is working. Okay, now let's go that route.
00:43:47
Speaker
yeah and so What is that community for you? like How have you built that?
Building Supportive Networks and Closing Thoughts
00:43:51
Speaker
It took time, but it's other business owners that I've met through work really or out or networking events. and i mean Not all of them are clicked the way you know some do, but you know sometimes you meet people and you're like, wow, we just click so fast and now we can find each other. like we're We're both all business owners and work for ourselves. And we're like, we don't have a team, but now we are a team because we can help and we have a different point of view. You know, we have a different outlook on something because our businesses all are a little different. So um it's just nice. It's nice to have that. And it's needed. It's really needed. And those those networking events, I mean, can you are there any specific you're like, man, this this was a really good one. I got a few of my best kind of friends or connections out of that.
00:44:35
Speaker
Oh my gosh, there's other it's hard to name one. There's been so many, like there's a lot of um brand events that I normally work at, whether it's for other big brands like Clear Sounds, a big one, I meet a lot of people through there, or even my ah my friend Aisha, she does coffee in a good vibe.
00:44:52
Speaker
And it's just a bunch of business owners and people in like wellness and just people that are like-minded and so we get it. you know I think sometimes when you tell things to people who don't run a business or who aren't doing the same things, their response is not really going to be what you're looking for. And it could feel like a little like, oh, I don't know if that helped me, nor do I want to put that onto them. right right But someone who is going through the same stuff in life.
00:45:16
Speaker
um ah It's it's be easier to understand each other and be like, okay, this is what I think need you need. You know what I mean? Like, I get it. I feel you. I hear you. But let's breathe, pause, and then, you know, reevaluate and reassess. I mean, we met maybe through someone you met through one of those connections through Feliz. Is there anyone else that you think we should have on the show that you think our listeners would benefit from hearing from? Oh, my gosh. Yeah, they I can name
00:45:48
Speaker
So many. But one that I'll name is my friends Brian and Alex at Shen Generation. They're fantastic. So it's hard to explain really what he does. It's like a type of body work also. We actually share the back house together and we work out of there. But he's like a wizard when it comes to the human body and what people need and just everything. He's helped me through a lot of my stuff too. So it's fantastic.
00:46:16
Speaker
Okay, yeah, I'll have to check them out. Yeah, I'll send it. Thank you. Well, Sabrina, we will certainly put links to your social and and everything about you in the show notes. But before we sign off, thank you so much for the time. Is there anything you want to share with our listeners before we go? Just to get to your day and put a smile on your face and just take one day at a time and just do things that make you happy.
00:46:46
Speaker
yeah Just two things that make you i make you happy. That's it. And drink your water. Do things that make you happy and drink your water. And drink your water. but Even if that doesn't make you happy. Okay. We gotta learn. We gotta be better. Alright. Thank you so much Sabrina. Thank you so much.
00:47:07
Speaker
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