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Ep.2. The World is Burning but We're Still Here
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This second episode is not what we had expected to do, but the world is a very heavy place right now, and our collective outrage and overwhelm are normal and healthy. So, we talk about that, and where we fit into the bigger picture of it all, while finding balance, community, and active hope.
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Articles mentioned:
Maintaining Advocacy and Wellness in Times of Digitally Broadcast Genocides | by Cassie from I-CCH
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Transcript
Introduction and Episode Context
00:00:00
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Thank you.
00:00:31
Speaker
Hello and welcome to episode two of the Andy Captivity podcast. I'm Megan and I use she her pronouns. And I'm Taryn and I also use she her pronouns.
00:00:44
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And if you listen to episode one, you will know that it's been a while since then. Meg looked it up and it's about five months. Yes. Right? Five months.
Impact of Global Events on Personal Well-being
00:00:54
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Yeah. So this is not the episode that we had planned to do um We did have an episode that we were working on and trying to get out and it just wasn't happening.
00:01:05
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So we figured we would just do this episode as more of check-in, not just because it's overdue, but also just to acknowledge the heaviness of the current state of the world and everything that's been going on And i think we all collectively have been exposed to a lot of really terrible information and terrible imagery of late.
00:01:27
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And we just wanted to chat a little bit about that and where we've been individually and as a podcast and just how we've been feeling. Yeah.
00:01:38
Speaker
Yeah. And, like Taryn just said, we've been trying to get an episode done. We do have a plan and a lot of research and had a call with an awesome person who knows a lot about zoo stuff.
00:01:54
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Um, But also we are human and general life stuff and overwhelm happened. i myself was feeling a little bit of imposter syndrome and we were just struggling to get to the point where we both felt ready to actually record. Like I moved and so getting into how this will all work in this new space that I'm in was amazing.
00:02:21
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more than I expected it to be. But here we are. Yeah. And I kind of echo what you've said about like feeling demotivated at times or feeling a bit of imposter syndrome creeping in.
00:02:33
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But I think there were times where I felt like we were both kind of hitting a wall trying to get the episode done and just just feeling like it almost became... a chore when we should be excited about it.
00:02:45
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And the more I reflect on it, the more I realize it's not so much a lack of motivation or excitement about the podcast, but with everything that's happening in the world at the moment, it's almost felt absurd to be thinking about anything else. Yeah.
00:03:00
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Genocide in Palestine. Yeah. I think that's been at the forefront for a lot of people. And it's just been so weird to to think about doing a podcast about anything else or to talk about anything else.
00:03:12
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Yeah. And it's it kind of took us some time to realize what... was going on with us. Like we just kept on okay, we'll do it next week.
00:03:25
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And then one of us was like, I'm not ready. Something would come up. And we just both, or for myself, ah felt really badly and just that I wasn't pulling through for Taryn and for this project that we've started.
00:03:48
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But then we kind of both realized that there was something else going on and assuming that if we were feeling this way, most likely there are a lot of people who are feeling the same way. And so With the ah the episode two that we had had planned, we were going to just talk a tiny bit about that at the beginning of the episode, but then realize that this could be a whole episode because this is a big, big deal.
00:04:23
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Yeah. And I think kind of speaking back and forth about our personal challenges and the challenges we were having getting the episode out, we kind of slowly started to realize actually what's happening is ah pretty normal response.
Desensitization and Emotional Toll
00:04:36
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You know, we're watching live stream genocide every day you anyone who's been watching anything that's going on in the world, not just Palestine, but like ice raids and, you know, rights being taken away, especially in the States from like trans folks, um reproductive rights, all of that stuff, you know, watching all of this every day, it's pretty normal to be consumed by it. I think it's a rational response to be shocked by what's going on, to feel sometimes a sense of meaninglessness in other things and,
00:05:08
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You know, it's it's frustrating when you set out to do a project like this that we're both very passionate about, but getting consumed the way we have and, you know, realizing that the other issues still continue.
00:05:23
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Non-human animals are still being exploited. They're still being murdered by the millions. And there's so many issues in the world that are urgent and they're ongoing. And when you're watching a genocide live streamed, it feels like that's all that matters.
00:05:39
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And it's really hard to put things into perspective. I don't know if you can really put it into perspective, the violence that we're witnessing worldwide and then trying to kind of almost switch that off to engage in any kind of project, even though the project we're doing is related Yeah, like you just today shared reel that was blurred and I clicked on it and it was literally video of dead children.
00:06:11
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Like how I have no words. And I think that like you've said, that's a normal reaction, because what we're seeing, like it's inhumane.
00:06:24
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These are inhumane so circumstances that are going on. And um you are so eloquent with your words, but I found some um articles that were all about this kind of stuff. And I think that they there was just a couple, but we'll put them in the show notes. But One of them spoke to exactly this, that, quote, the existence of uncomfortable emotions is not inherently bad.
00:06:51
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In the face of injustice and atrocity, it is vital to community and individual wellness to remember that anger, sadness, and other emotions are part of our signaling system and can help us understand ourselves and each other.
00:07:05
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We should feel discomfort in witnessing tragic and traumatic events and conditions. Normalization of feeling nothing means we must embrace abnormality if we hope to challenge injustice.
00:07:17
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So it's just a matter of taking this discomfort and turning in it into action of some sort um or community building or just being amongst community.
00:07:33
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Yeah, because I think it's pretty natural for anyone as a human being to have the inclination to not want to feel discomfort. And sometimes that looks like switching off, ignoring what's happening, not following what's happening, kind of trying to protect your own mental health, which is, of course, important, but it can lead to just apathy or seeing what's happening and becoming desensitized.
00:08:01
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I've even definitely felt that in myself and having to really be mindful to not be desensitized because you see so much every single day that is horrific. And, you know, every day you think that's it's the worst that it can get. It cannot get worse than this. And the next day something more horrific happens.
00:08:21
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And I've found myself sometimes seeing reels where you're witnessing a massacre that's happened and there bodies lying around and kind of not feeling that much and having to stop myself and think, what how am I having this response or lack of response? How am i feeling so desensitized to this horrific imagery?
00:08:45
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And of course, it's a psychological protection, but it is something that we have to be mindful of as well, that we might get desensitized. Yeah. But I also think that when we're desensitized to things and seeing them over and over and over again, these, remember, I remember,
00:09:04
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bearing witness to the animals going to slaughter like every week, sometimes twice a week for a couple years. And I was so desensitized to it. But I think that it affected, not to get too wooey here, but I think it affected my body and my mental health without realizing it. Because although I was desensitized, I was also witnessing these animals that going to slaughter and not doing anything about it. And so my body was just, or my inner workings were like, what the fuck are you doing?
00:09:43
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Like, yeah why aren't you stopping this truck and like actually saving all of these chickens? Or why aren't you, you know, going to the protests every fucking week and all of this kind of stuff that's happening.
Activism Challenges and Connections
00:10:03
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Sorry, I just jumped to today and to the Palestine marches because that's what happened two years ago. Everyone was going to this huge, incredible march every Saturday downtown Vancouver.
00:10:19
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And it's been almost two years, and that has definitely dwindled down. And yeah, I don't know where I'm going with that, but...
00:10:30
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Well, I think that's that's an important consideration because on the one hand, you kind of want to encourage people to keep going because the people in Palestine don't have the luxury or the privilege to you know, ease up on what they're going through.
00:10:45
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But at the same time, that urgency and that vicarious trauma that kind of pushes you to want to do something can also lead to burnout. So it's yeah kind of a difficult balance. And I think we'll we'll get into...
00:11:00
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kind of coping with those feelings and coping with burnout and things like that. yeah But I wanted to also just acknowledge that we are talking a lot about Palestine. And yes I've heard a lot of people, especially in the last two years, kind of criticize people who speak up about Palestine.
00:11:19
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And there are a lot of whataboutisms. What about this happening? What about that? Why do you only care about Palestine? You know, there are other issues in the world. And ah just wanted to acknowledge that because it is at the forefront of a lot of discussions at the moment. It's definitely been at the forefront of what I've been consumed by and speaking about.
00:11:41
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But when we say free Palestine, we say that because we care deeply about other issues as well. It's not just about Palestine. And a lot of the whataboutisms that people bring up, you know, what about the Congo? What about Sudan? Yes, those are all incredibly horrific situations and they're also incredibly important and we also care about them, but they're all connected.
00:12:05
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And what we're seeing in Palestine and Gaza specifically, but also the West Bank, of course, what we're seeing is unprecedented. We're seeing genocide live streams, people there are filming their dead relatives to show us what is actually going on because international media is not even allowed there you know it's happening every single day on a level that no one's ever seen and you know it ties in with so many different issues in society at the moment worldwide so yeah i just wanted to make very clear that it's not just about Palestine well yeah and it's
00:12:40
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It's colonization and occupation. And that's exactly what happened to the Indigenous folks who were here on Turtle Island in Canada and the U.S. so-called, um so-called Canada and so-called U.S.
00:12:57
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um You know, years and years ago, like there's all sorts of things that are paralleled to what's happening. But it was in the past when there was not the technology that we could actually like visibly see it every day, continuing, continuing, getting worse and worse, getting you know, what was it, 14,000 needed formula and food. And Israel was blocking that from getting in. Like, how is that?
00:13:34
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Like babies, children. Yeah. And they still, you know, blocking baby formula and Yeah, that we could go on about all the the horrors there. But I think what it's also highlighting, you know, there are lots of parallels because um when you look at the fact that Gaza is essentially an open-air prison, never mind the fact that they've now been pushed into the, quote-unquote, what do they call it, the humanitarian city, which is where they want the rest of the Palestinians to move into, it's just so it's literally a concentration camp.
00:14:08
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Yeah. they're not allowed to leave. They can't leave. They don't have the luxury of just, you know, flying away somewhere when they start getting bombed. So that's so disgusting that they call it humanitarian. Like it is the opposite.
00:14:24
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Exactly. it's the same as the humanitarian aid, whatever sites where they've just been killing people anyway. It's like, it's, there's nothing humanitarian about it. It's ridiculous. And these are highlighting parallels with you know lack of freedom of movement, with carcerality, with it you know the ridiculous detainments that ICE conducting all over the US.
00:14:46
Speaker
It's a feminist issue. You've got women who don't have access to and healthcare when they're pregnant. They don't have sanitary products. It's an LGBTQ issue. It's an ecocide. It's contributing to climate change. There's racism, like you said, colonialism.
00:15:02
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Yeah. Yeah. Basically, you've touched on all of the shittiest things that are going on all over the world. So it's all connected, as you've said, and in so many different ways, too. So it is overwhelming when yeah when you list it all. And it's like, okay, what what can we do?
00:15:32
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The scary thing, I think, is that aside from all the connected issues that are kind of right in our faces in Palestine, it's showing us what the people in positions of power and the ultra-rich are capable of.
Power, Injustice, and Activism
00:15:49
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And not only capable of, but they're doing it with impunity. And the world's kind of just standing by. That is the terrifying thing. Because if they can do what they're doing in Palestine, what can they do everywhere else?
00:16:01
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Not that that should be our motivation to care, of course. Like, you know, they could come for us next. But it is showing what they can do with impunity. And that should terrify everyone.
00:16:12
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so it's pretty bleak. It is. But how how can we balance knowing enough and doing what we can with taking care of ourselves and each other is the big question yeah for how we can get through this and feel like we're making a difference because I've had, I've had someone who I talked to who is an influencer who, you know, has lots of followers. And I asked them about Palestine and basically,
00:16:54
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Why aren't they talking about it? And they said that nothing's changing and that what can they do? Like if they posted about it, it wouldn't be, it wouldn't do anything.
00:17:09
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Basically that kind of vibe. And For sure, i've I think that I've felt that way to an extent. um But I also, if I'm in that lull, it sucks.
00:17:25
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And as I said before, action kind of helps with your despair and reaching out to people and that you know feel the same.
00:17:37
Speaker
So I've always known you every day, basically. But um the one thing that I've done is started to do embroidery and make little um watermelon pins and just give them to any and everyone.
00:17:54
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And that's the thing, you know, I think it's easy to, i think we've all felt that. We've all felt like, what can we actually do? ah It's frustrating because you can care very deeply and still feel completely helpless because in reality, what can we do as individuals?
00:18:08
Speaker
But it does all add up. It's not to say that making a pin or making a post online or doing a little fundraiser or whatever any of us can think of doing, that might not stop bombs dropping.
00:18:23
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But it's going to start conversations. It's going to normalize opposing what's happening. And I think that's really important because a lot of people are scared to speak up even now at this late stage somehow.
00:18:34
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They are still nervous of saying something even if they want to. And yeah I think the more we speak about it, the more it's normalized, the more it's shown to be safe. as safe as it can be to speak about these things. Because it does come with risks. And I think that's another thing we need to acknowledge.
00:18:50
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But also putting into perspective what those risks actually mean. Does it mean you're not going to get a specific deal in your job? Or, you know, does it mean you're going to have a strained friendship?
00:19:02
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I don't know anyone who's been speaking about Palestine that hasn't lost a friendship or Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and to speak to what you were just saying about you want to show your support and, like, wear a pin or um a friend of mine went to this rave party thing and... um She was going to wear her kufea, but then wasn't sure.
00:19:31
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and then she saw someone, like two men, one was Palestinian, they were together wearing kufeas. And she went up to them and said, I love your kufea, da-da-da-da-da, i was going to wear mine. And they said, oh, yes, please do. Like, we wanted to wear this because it's really important to show that we are here, we're queer, we're Palestinian. And, you know, and so the next day, my friend wore hukufaya, and then other people went up to her and said exactly the same thing.
00:20:07
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And so I think that wearing this stuff, it's been almost two years. And so you'd think that everyone that is affected, like is Palestinian or has family or whatever is affected in a very different way than someone like you or me being white privileged folks.
00:20:32
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You think that they know that they have support out there and they can talk about it, but I think it's still very uncertain. And so Wearing those things and showing your support, walking around is really, really important.
00:20:50
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One of yeah many things to do. Yeah, exactly. And um part of speaking up is not just encouraging other people to do the same.
Community, Skills, and Activism
00:21:01
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but making it known that what's happening is not okay. With silence, it's difficult as like an activist because it's not a small thing to wonder who you can organize with.
00:21:13
Speaker
Because if someone is silent on Palestine or they're pro-Israel, i mean, I certainly don't want to organize with someone like that. I don't want to be no associated with someone like that because it's not just like one issue that you have a slight disagreement about.
00:21:26
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we're talking about genocide, we're talking about racism, we're talking about colonialism. Yeah, all of those things you listed earlier. Yeah, exactly. Like every everything, everything. Yeah, if every issue in the world doesn't matter to you, then I kind of don't really want to hang out.
00:21:43
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So I think it's normal to have these kind of difficult feelings with friendships or relationships with people who have kind of almost let us down in that way because it's isolating.
00:21:58
Speaker
And it's, I mean, I've had situations where I've even felt like I've doubted myself for speaking up because there's like this global gaslighting that you're, you know, supporting terrorists or whatever the current Hasbara talking point is.
00:22:17
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You know, you can start to feel guilty about literally opposing genocide, which is so bizarre, but that's the reality we find ourselves in. So I think recognizing those impacts on your mental health and your sense of community, i think is a good starting point as well, because it reminds us all that we need to actually build that community.
00:22:40
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And like you said, just having a conversation, wearing a fear, those are all ways to start building communities and building new connections and new friendships. with people who actually want to see a rad and just world.
00:22:52
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Wouldn't that be lovely? Wouldn't it? And also, like, we haven't really talked much about this. This has been pretty bleak, but trying to find joy in the world and um ah build community.
00:23:09
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Like, honestly, I think that my little embroidery stuff that I've been doing, that has helped me get out of my little lull because it is calming to me and it feels like I'm doing something, even if it's just small.
00:23:26
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um And so there are all sorts of skills that, everyone has that is different. um Some people are love cooking, and so they could bring snacks or food to organizers who are doing marches or whatever. like There are so many different ways of just kind of honing in on what makes you happy and transforming that into some sort of way to connect it to activism.
00:24:00
Speaker
is the way we build community and the way we, it's community care is what it is. Exactly. Yeah. For some people it is making some kind of art or embroidery or music or whatever it is. For other people, it might be going and marching to Gaza, which I mean, they blocked that as well, but we can try, you know, the thing is that the more you do and the more you kind of start where you are, look at what skills you have and use them.
00:24:29
Speaker
the more other people in your community can kind of get inspired by that and maybe use their different skills to do different things. And it's kind of a ripple effect where you can build and organize together and make bigger changes.
00:24:44
Speaker
You know, something like an embroidered pin is not a small thing. I mean, in the bigger picture, yes, it's a small thing. But, you know, when you look at it all collectively, it adds up. There's no revolution without things like art.
00:24:58
Speaker
You need organizers. You need who people who are planners. You need people who are good online. You need people who are good with strategy. You need artists. Right. Like revolution doesn't just happen from ah few people doing very specific things. It's a collection of actions from different people with different skills.
00:25:18
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So ah don't think anyone should ever feel like they can't do anything. And sometimes the thing you can do is the thing that will help you feel better and will help you to cope with the overwhelm and the vicarious trauma and all of the things. Yeah.
00:25:33
Speaker
Yeah, because the things that you like to do also, I think, gives you energy and helps you to rest. As we know, rest is, what's the word?
00:25:49
Speaker
Resistance. Resistance, there it is. Yes. Rest is resistance. But to a point, can we not rest forever when there's urgent things happening? Get that REM and then get up and...
00:26:04
Speaker
Get the REM and then get the revolution. yeah
00:26:10
Speaker
But on the note of kind of just doing what you can, i think the attitude that you mentioned earlier with the person you spoke to about not saying anything...
00:26:21
Speaker
The line that we just, we can't fix everything or what are we going to do That's also very, very privileged. The same way that people who focus overly on self-care and very individualized self-care instead of community care, that's obviously a privilege. But I think it's overlooked sometimes what a privilege it is to be apathetic or to be hopeless and to just kind of shrug it off and say, well, what can I do? I can't fix everything. I might as well live my life.
00:26:49
Speaker
That is such a privileged position. Yeah, because ah whiteness is, we can rest. Anyone in a marginalized body or with different circumstances, um they cannot rest.
00:27:06
Speaker
They might have two or three jobs and can't go to protests or can't risk the chance of losing their job for speaking out or, you know, there's so many different variants.
00:27:22
Speaker
Or they could be in Palestine and be dodging bombs yeah every single day You know, yes, take care of yourself. Yes, take care of each other. But also, you know, acknowledge your privilege and at least try and not to be passive, I think.
00:27:38
Speaker
Yeah. Basically, I think we should all just try to be a little bit better. All of us, me, you, everyone, we can all
Hope, Information, and Online Presence
00:27:46
Speaker
be learning something. None of us are fully formed, perfect humans.
00:27:50
Speaker
We don't have it all figured out, but we can try just keep learning and doing what we can to make the world better. It sounds so cheesy. Make the world a better place, but seriously. Yes.
00:28:02
Speaker
and just And just to have some hope, right? Because hope isn't ah something you have in response to seeing glimmers of good out there. It's because you decided to have hope that you see those glimmers. And so those aren't my words. I just read, quoted those. Sorry.
00:28:21
Speaker
Oh, you could have owned them. I wouldn't have realized. But we don't plagiarize on this podcast. No, we do not. and Yes. Yeah. So having hope and optimism, I think, is really important.
00:28:37
Speaker
Yeah. And I think on the note of being hopeful, one thing I wanted to mention earlier and kind of forgot was
00:28:47
Speaker
I've heard a lot of people not just say, well, I can't do anything, or what can we really do, but almost criticizing or yeah disregarding people who care deeply, almost as if they're naive and idealistic.
00:29:06
Speaker
But there's a sentiment that, well, this generation is just chronically online and we know too much and we see too much and it's exhausting and you can't do anything. So, you know, get off your phone kind of thing.
00:29:20
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Yeah. you know, oh, you shouldn't you shouldn't have access to this much information. Well, yes, we shouldn't. We're not built for this amount of stimulation every day and information every day.
00:29:35
Speaker
But to use that as a reason to just like check out is it's very much like a good old days, back in the good old days kind of vibe, you know, when we didn't access to this information. Yeah.
00:29:49
Speaker
It's not a problem that we have access to too much information. It's that we are finally seeing in real time what's happening. The problem is not the information. The problem is the things that are happening that we are seeing.
Anti-Captivity Themes and Global Issues
00:30:04
Speaker
So instead of criticizing people caring, maybe criticize people. all the things that are going on, let's work collectively to stop them. Like imagine if there was this technology in the 70s and 80s for the Khmer Rouge or the genocide in Rwanda.
00:30:25
Speaker
Like what the fuck? There's so much stuff that has gone on in the past and it's just, we've been blocked out of it. And now we're seeing it and it is...
00:30:39
Speaker
That's the thing, right? There's always been a lot of horrible shit going in the world. But the attitude that the problem is that we are seeing too much is a fallacy in my mind.
00:30:51
Speaker
Because the problem is not that we're seeing too much. like We should be able to see everything that's happening in the world and still have some semblance of sanity left. The problem is people with power exploiting that power and ah oppressing others and wreaking havoc on the environment and the world. And those are the problems.
00:31:09
Speaker
Not us being chronically online. We're chronically online because we're trying to make things a little bit better. Or, yeah, anyway. And just to be informed.
00:31:21
Speaker
Yeah. So the time we've been struggling to get an episode out doesn't mean that what we set out to do feels any less urgent or of value for listeners to hear about from us.
00:31:35
Speaker
It's also our way of pushing ourselves to remember how connected these issues are and how vital it is to keep speaking about other issues at the same time, always in this much larger and sometimes overwhelming context.
00:31:52
Speaker
Yeah, I think this is something I need to remind myself of as well. That when there's so much going on in the world, it can feel a bit ridiculous to even think about what topic we're going to speak about next. And I've kind of had this feeling like, how do we get people to care about non-human animals in zoos when they're seeing all this stuff unfold? Yeah.
00:32:16
Speaker
The fact is, like you said, it is all connected. And I think this is one of the things that will help to bring us joy because it's something we care about. you And there are a lot of people right now who don't have the energy to be speaking about other topics because they're maybe more involved in other kinds of activism or whatever.
00:32:37
Speaker
and that's great. And yeah, I guess this is our contribution to one small part of the bigger picture. And also also to like span out a little bit, like our podcast is the Anti-Captivity Podcast. And we are going to be talking about zoos and animals in captivity, but we're also going to dive into the system of carcerality.
00:33:06
Speaker
And like you said before, Palestine, or pardon me, like Gaza, is an open-air prison. And everything that's happening there to these people, there are much parallels to how humans in prisons and who are incarcerated are treated and just treated so inhumanely like they are nothing.
00:33:35
Speaker
Yeah, and the the literal incarceration of a lot of Palestinians without reason. about Literally thousands of them, many of them children even. um And also activists getting arrested for speaking about Palestine.
00:33:50
Speaker
So it is all it is literally all connected and very relevant to what we want to do with the podcast.
Listener Engagement and Solidarity
00:33:57
Speaker
So yeah thanks for mentioning that as well, Meg, because I think it's it's all part of the same struggle, right?
00:34:05
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So... If you, wonderful person listening, have had similar feelings to some of what we've been speaking about or experiences with friends or activist communities, let us know. Let us know how you've been coping with everything.
00:34:24
Speaker
Let us know if some of this kind of resonates with you. Obviously, we've just touched on these subjects in a very superficial way, but we'd love to hear from you. So send us an email or DM us on Instagram.
00:34:37
Speaker
like what's been tough for you, how are you navigating it and how are you coping? And, you know, maybe if you share some resources with us or ways that you've been finding to cope, we can always share it on the next episode and hopefully it'll help other people as well.
00:34:54
Speaker
Yeah. What's our email address, Meg? Oh, our email address is anticaptivitypod at gmail.com. And the Instagram is also anticaptivitypod.com.
00:35:07
Speaker
Yes. Message us. Tell us all your feelings and things. who And regardless of what topic we're discussing, it's free Palestine until Palestine is free.
00:35:24
Speaker
Exactly. So free Palestine and we'll talk to you soon. Bye.
00:35:51
Speaker
Okay. Oh, okay. Blu-blie-blah, blu-blie-blah. NB means important. Yeah. Didn't you know that? No.
00:36:04
Speaker
I was like, when I read it, I forgot. i forgot to highlight that and see. Like, what the fuck? Oh my God. Have you never seen NB? What? What?
00:36:18
Speaker
no i can't believe this i can't believe this is happening like never seen someone like write a little note in the margin like nb like this is important like take notes no i'm not in the academic fancy uh no just in live make no uh maybe it's not a canadian thing maybe and be I was like anyway how no I was like and how no big deal to keep speaking about no biggie yeah can you hear my dogs