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Ep 64: The Secret Sauce
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Episode 64 is here! Scott and I have fun discussing all the rumors floating around the next CGC, P3, and Stern titles. Plus we talk about the secret sauce to making a great pinball machine!
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Episode Introduction and Host Lineup
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Thanks for tuning in to the Loser Kid Pinball Podcast.
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We are on episode 64.
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With me, my co-captain, as always.
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Scott Larson.
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And Scott, it's just me and you riding the old William Falcon today.
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You know what?
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We just couldn't get anybody.
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Okay.
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You know,
Current Pinball Landscape and Challenges
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well, here's the thing.
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We seem to be in a lull in that between games.
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And so we you and I were talking about, OK, who can we get on?
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Who can we talk about?
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And there wasn't really anybody timing wise that really felt like this was a good time to talk to them because it seemed.
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I guess there are a few things I do want to reach out to some competitive pinball players and talk about as things open up and possibly close back down.
Deep Root to the Future and Rumors
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We'd like to talk a little more about that.
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But we also had Colin on just recently.
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Well, honestly, me and you haven't done an episode, just me and you, since we did our Deep Root to the Future episode, which was number 57.
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Oh my gosh.
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That's been a couple months.
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That's been, yeah.
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It's okay because the Deep Root train is totally like on board and they have sent out like, they've released like 10 games and so I'm totally eating my words on that one.
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You know who won't be selling Deep Root games?
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I guess I should never say never, but our friends over at Flippin' Out Pinball, Zach and Nicole Many, I doubt you'll be saying... If you want any other game, the new rumored... Well, is it really rumored Cactus Canyon?
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Can we just say it?
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Can we just say, hey... I'd still say not confirmed, but they can neither deny.
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They're not even saying they can neither confirm.
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They're just like, eh, okay.
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But still, I mean...
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So if you want to get on that list, you better give Zach
Speculative Pinball Themes
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a call.
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And honestly, if you want to get on any future list, if you've heard the rumored Rush from John Borg or the rumored Godzilla from Keith Elwin, this is all rumored.
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Okay.
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Okay, let me get ridiculous.
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We're going to talk about this in because I guarantee that you and I haven't talked about any of these lists recently.
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And so I actually was wondering about these lists.
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And it's like, hey, how do they come in?
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So I messaged Zach, and there were a few titles that I was thinking of.
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And I just said, hey, like...
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I'm sure you have interested lists like, hey, like if this title comes up, I would be interested, which totally makes sense.
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Right.
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You can't get a commitment until you get an announcement.
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I mean, that's part of the deal.
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Right.
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But having that and I asked him, well, you you saw that, right?
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Like you were on that part where I was like, how many threads, like how many possible titles are out there?
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And how many did he say, Josh?
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I can't remember.
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It said 50.
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Good crime.
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And so like there are 50 potential titles that people are just spitballing.
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It's like, okay, so maybe they'll do, well, you know, they're not doing a Cleveland Indians game anymore, so they can scratch that one off.
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But you know, it's just, it's just so crazy that people are becoming Sherlock's and trying to figure out like, what is that next theme that I really want?
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So yeah.
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Playboy number four.
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Oh, geez.
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Do not go there.
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What a horrible thing for Cornwall.
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Well, they stopped doing the nudity stuff, so it could just be about the articles.
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Didn't they go back?
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I think they did flip-flop.
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I think they left for a couple years, and then they're like, you know, this isn't working for us.
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Yeah, well...
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It's just totally no longer relevant anyway.
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So, and I really isn't, I would argue for a good thing, but that's okay.
Partnerships and Pinball Challenges
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Anyway.
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So yes, talk to Zach or Nicole at flipping out pinball.
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They've been good friends of the show and we've been able to get lots of good things with them.
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Also, Josh, why don't you talk about, talk about your special announcement.
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Oh, hey, so we have teamed up with PinQuest.
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Hey, Neil, how you doing, Mr. Shelton?
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Congratulations on the new baby, by the way.
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We have teamed up with them.
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Baby Sheldon?
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Baby Shelton.
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Oh, Shelton, not Baby Sheldon.
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Okay.
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No, no, Baby Sheldon, Baby Shelton.
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So Neil has put PinQuest, he has revamped the whole thing.
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I know that it used to be like a location thing, but because of COVID and all that jazz, he had to reinvent it, essentially.
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And the new format is fun.
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You can do it from home.
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It's kind of like Selfie League.
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But the way it works is we have put up two games that you can high score on.
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We've picked Avengers Infinity Quest.
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Pro or Premium?
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Yeah, Pro or Premium or LE.
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It seems to be a game that...
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a lot of people can get their hands on.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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There's a reason why they do all these competitions with recent releases because it's the hot game that people get really quickly.
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And it's actually brilliant from Stern's standpoint that if they are, if they are helping push this, I have no inside information on that, but that makes a lot of sense because Jurassic Park was, that was a huge seller for Jurassic Park because people could compete on it and it was the new game.
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Yes.
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And then the other game, I'm kind of selfish.
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This is a Loser Kid game to me because I've owned it for so many years, and I feel like this is the unofficial official game of Loser Kid.
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And I picked World Cup Soccer.
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No, it's World Cup Soccer.
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So the way this is going to work, you have to take a selfie with the app.
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Like you can't just take a picture and then download it to the app.
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It used to be that way, but they're not doing that anymore.
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So on Avengers, you have to hit 200 million.
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I felt like that was reasonable.
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That's doable.
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Hey, even I can do that, and I'm a hack.
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So that's about two gems, two to three gems, just depending on how well you do.
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If you got like a portal locks in there or a multiball with it.
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And then with World Cup, I went a little more aggressive.
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I did 500 million.
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Okay.
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So I think the high scores around like just a little over a billion on that game, like the base high score.
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So I figured halfway there, that's probably defeating five or six teams through World Cup.
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Anywho, so there's those two games.
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What do you get?
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Yeah, what do you get?
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So play the game, take a selfie.
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If you are able to complete either challenge, you will get a virtual Loser Kid trophy.
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It'll have our logo on there and all that jazz.
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And you will be entered to win a hat.
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So if you compete on both of them and you're able to beat both scores, you would get two entries.
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Easy
Sports Talk and Pinball Market Evolution
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enough.
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All right.
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And so this one's for Glenn out there.
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Check it out.
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Yes.
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Glenn and his Milwaukee Bucks.
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I don't know why he wants to shout them out, but it is what it is, I guess.
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They haven't won since since Lou Alcindor was up there.
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So I think that's pretty good.
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I think he was Lou Alcindor when he played for the Bucks.
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So maybe, maybe.
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Yeah, that was way before I was born.
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Well, we shout out the Jazz and the Jazz doesn't.
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Well, I guess they were relevant this last year, but they definitely did choke for the playoffs.
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number one team and they fall short well okay but one they were playing against a two-time finals mvp in kawai leonard which i would argue is a good player yeah and they also had like donovan mitchell got injured too so i mean i don't think it was that bad it's it is it is what it is so definitely i agree all right cool cool i want to talk about one more thing that kind of wrap this back around where we're talking just just
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future themes and how there's 50 supposed lists out there of different themes and titles well okay just not not I guess a interested list it's more of a hey call me if and so I mean that makes sense right so let's let's segue into this really quick okay because the I feel like the market of pinball has changed dramatically over the last year and a half and
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two years.
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And yes, COVID does have to do with it.
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But I feel like it's been heading this way for the last five or six.
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We've seen a steady trend up with pinball, right?
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There hasn't been really a dip low.
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Yeah, I'd say it seems to be still the the it's like the housing prices in Utah.
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The floodwaters keep rising everything.
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So, yes.
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Yep.
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Hey, you have a house.
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You're fine.
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You rose with the tide.
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Yes, I did.
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Like, yes, I did.
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So I'm not I'm not complaining.
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I'm really not complaining about raising prices.
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But do you think it is still beneficial for a pinball company to keep under wraps?
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what theme they are currently producing because at this point it doesn't really matter like as soon as they unveil it it sells out so you mean you mean the le well yeah the le but like the whole point of it is like they don't tell anyone because they're hoping that that will help drive sales to the like because if people knew that let's let's throw out a dream theme that a lot of it gets it a lot let's say harry potter's in the pipeline for stir and
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I thought you were talking about Def Leppard because, you know, pour some sugar on me, multiball.
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You know it.
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But let's say that's in the pipeline, but they really want Godzilla to sell, so they just don't reveal Harry Potter.
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Are we still at that point, or would it be beneficial to start teasing some of these games that they've already got the license they're already starting to develop?
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No, I think they are doing the right thing.
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You want to strike while the iron's hot and people will, like, for example, when Led Zeppelin came out, I got a Led Zeppelin and I actually find it really fun to play.
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I find it interesting, though, that I talked to my friend who's like, he's a distributor near us.
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Like he's two blocks away from me.
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He's this super nice guy.
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And I just chat with him occasionally about his name is Kyle, by the way.
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And I was like, hey, what games are giving you buzz?
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Like, what are people calling you and asking you about?
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And he he actually said, I actually haven't had any calls about Led Zeppelin.
Buzz Around Themes and Market Speculation
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But the games he consistently has calls on are Jurassic Park.
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And, you know, and so themes, there are certain games that have more buzz than others, even though I think Led Zeppelin's a great Steve Ritchie theme.
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It's perfect.
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And with the light show integration, it's certainly a lot of fun.
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It will always draw comparisons to Guns N' Roses, which I think are a little unfair because of the resources that they put into Guns N' Roses.
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Like the building material has to be significantly higher.
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But it's just interesting to get that perspective of what are people interested in.
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Yeah.
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And so, yeah, I do think that there's a value for them to keep their themes under wraps because that's what keeps people guessing and talking.
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And Buzz, you can buy that Buzz.
00:11:01
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How many times have we talked about, well, I Deep Root announced their eight planned games.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Now I'm going to, I'm going to take off my deep root hater hat, but just say like what you do is you immediately look at all 10 games and say, I want that one.
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Yeah.
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Like not every single game that comes out, you're going to go, you know what?
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I want food truck.
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It's true.
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Because if you're a big Who fan or a Queen fan or whatever, then you're going to say, no, I'm going to hold out for that one.
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So I guess to your point, do you think it hurt them that they unveiled all these games and then asked for orders for Raza?
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Do you think a lot of people are like, well, I'll just hold out because Yukon Yeti sounds good because I like Whitewater.
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So I'm just going to hold out for that.
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Or Goonies.
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Do you think they would have got more sales if they just would have held out?
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Maybe.
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Okay.
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I think it would have been better.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
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The, the real challenge that I see is that there is that element of surprise and there's that buzz and people are always like, Ooh, what's that next thing that's coming out?
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So,
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Yeah, I like the surprise, by the way.
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The good news is no one's calling me and saying, hey, by the way, here are the next 10 games.
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Avengers totally caught me by surprise, and I probably shouldn't have been surprised, but it totally caught me by surprise.
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And Mandalorian, you and I were betting about what the theme was.
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We assumed it was going to be some sort of Marvel Disney license just because they have a good relationship.
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But I'm on record as saying that I thought it was going to be Black Panther.
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And I was on record thinking it was back to the future.
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So yeah.
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So, well, back to the future is not really Disney though.
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Well, sorry.
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Yeah.
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But that's what we were hearing.
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But that's what we were thinking.
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So we were dead wrong on that.
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So it was a lot of fun when they announced Mandalorian.
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I'm like, Oh, that's cool.
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Yeah.
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We just need to make better friends with people at Stern, I guess.
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Yeah.
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I think this is one, it makes it more for, it's easier to do an honest podcast when we don't know what's going on.
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So anyway, that's, yes.
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So the answer to your question is, I think there is still value to generate the buzz and keeping it under wraps.
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So, well, and my other thought process is I think that we're I don't want to say we're in a bubble.
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I hate the idea of a bubble.
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Speaker
But I think that pinball has definitely went through its ups and downs.
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And I think we're definitely on an up right now.
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I think changing tactic that has worked for many years during downs is it's not smart to change that tactic that could then be affected if there is a down.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Yeah, and really, so what would happen?
00:13:49
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I mean, we're talking basic economics, right?
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So supply and demand.
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Speaker
Well, are games going to magically evaporate?
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No, no.
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So it's demand that will really drive it if people just stop wanting to hold on to these games.
00:14:04
Speaker
But a lot of these games have made it into homes and it seems like they're in a lot better shape than they would be if they were at your local bar.
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Yeah.
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So the game seemed to seem to be potentially holding their value a lot better than they ever have been.
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Yes.
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Well, that's what's weird, too.
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I know that it's been talked about on.
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it seems like every other podcast this week,
Pinball Game Valuation and Collector Interest
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but you know, value of pinball machines, even taking it out of the box, like on final round, Joe Fox was saying it's never, he's never owned a Stern game, played it for a couple of months and then sold it for more when he bought for, this is just a really weird time in the hobby where this is happening.
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And so, but it's totally because Stern is doing their best to manufacture, to keep up with demand.
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But eventually, um,
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The demand will taper off.
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Eventually there will be a saturation of the market.
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Eventually the game rooms will fill up.
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I mean, I'm already there.
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You're already there.
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Yep.
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So we have to look.
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Well, I've got plenty more room.
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It's just, it's the wallet kind of thing.
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Okay.
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And that's fine.
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But okay.
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Well, saturation points can be reached in many ways.
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Yeah.
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There's a financial saturation point.
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There's a space saturation point.
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There's a significant other tolerance of your weird hobby saturation point.
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So, yeah, but that's what I'm saying, is that eventually you reach that, and maybe that next game you're not going to get.
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Or you're going to say, you know, I'm going to play this a little longer.
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Yep.
00:15:40
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I'm kind of getting to the point, though, where I'm hesitant to get rid of my games unless if they're being produced.
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Like, I don't mind getting rid of Jurassic Park Pro because I know I can still... You can get another one.
00:15:51
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
00:15:52
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If I get the itch, I could just say, hey, Zach, put me on the list for the next time they run a Jurassic Park Pro.
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And he'll say, it's coming out in three or six months.
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You know what I'm saying?
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But my World Cup soccer, I'm just like, I don't want to get rid of this now.
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Like, even if I had questions about it, I don't want to because you cannot find them right now.
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Okay.
00:16:09
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Medieval madness.
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Same thing.
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Like medieval madness.
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My kids will never, one, they don't want me to sell it.
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But two, I know multiple people who, whether they're new to the hobby or they're getting into the hobby, are like, hey, I want a medieval madness and I can't find any of them.
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And CGC could be rolling in money right now.
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I do not get it.
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I do not get it.
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I've told, I have mentioned before that CGC should be taking that like a Beatles white album, like print off as many of those albums and sell them to whoever wants them, because that is gold.
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Like you don't, you're taking zero risk there.
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You're printing money at this point.
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Yeah.
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And so I don't hear complaints about the quality of CGC like I do some other companies.
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And so it's just like you guys have a quality built product.
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Why aren't you selling this license?
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Because let's be honest, are you excited for Cactus Canyon?
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No.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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And now I will say, I know I'm in the minority because I have talked to multiple people who, you know, they have been, that has been the longstanding rumor of cactus Canyon.
00:17:23
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Right.
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And there have been so many people who have like, I am so interested in this game.
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And usually I have to ask really.
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Okay.
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So what about this game makes you interested?
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Because I,
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And the Cactus Canyon falls into, for me, that like the Big Bang bar or the where it's more of the rarity that is driving the the demand for it as opposed to the playfield layout, because in the playfield, it's a completely unknown designer.
00:17:55
Speaker
Yeah.
00:17:56
Speaker
And so like it's a one off.
00:17:59
Speaker
And so I don't know like what makes that interesting.
00:18:03
Speaker
But what about you?
00:18:04
Speaker
Are you interested in Cactus Canyon?
00:18:06
Speaker
I'm slightly interested in the fact that like
00:18:09
Speaker
There's going to be new code.
00:18:10
Speaker
There's definitely going to be new code.
00:18:12
Speaker
I've heard there's new artwork on the thing.
00:18:14
Speaker
Like, they're obviously going to still have the old artwork, but I heard there's new little details added.
00:18:18
Speaker
They have to update it a little bit, yeah.
00:18:20
Speaker
Yeah, they've done it with Attack from Mars.
00:18:22
Speaker
They've done it with Medieval Madness.
00:18:24
Speaker
They definitely did it with Monster Bash.
00:18:26
Speaker
They just had to change some things because of licensing and stuff like that, you know?
00:18:29
Speaker
Right.
00:18:30
Speaker
And what I'm hearing also is the topper is phenomenal.
00:18:35
Speaker
We haven't seen it, guys.
00:18:37
Speaker
No, we haven't seen anything, and we're taking this all with a grain of salt.
00:18:40
Speaker
Trust me, the last person that told me that for sure the next game coming out from Stern was Back to the Future ended up being Mandalorian, so I've even lost trust with some of my quote-unquote inside sources.
00:18:51
Speaker
So I just, I take it, I take everything with a big grain of salt, because let's be honest, like, no one really knows besides who's working there.
00:18:59
Speaker
Okay, do you know who designed Cactus Canyon just off the top of your head?
00:19:04
Speaker
Oh, what is his name?
00:19:05
Speaker
I thought it was Matt something or other.
00:19:07
Speaker
Okay.
00:19:07
Speaker
Okay.
00:19:08
Speaker
You got the first name, but there's actually two.
00:19:12
Speaker
uh and i don't know who took lead so well here's the thing though i've played cactus canyon i actually enjoy the game but here's the thing about cactus canyon it feels very medieval madness very attacked attack from a very late 90s game yeah so there's it's a family out yeah it's got the complete the five achievements like a brian eddy to then go on to the final wizard mode yeah um
00:19:36
Speaker
So it's Matt Correale and Tom Copera.
00:19:40
Speaker
Yes, Tom Copera.
00:19:41
Speaker
Sorry.
00:19:42
Speaker
So he was on the design of the code.
00:19:44
Speaker
And he was recently, actually, it's been a couple months, but he was on one of the TPN interview podcasts.
00:19:50
Speaker
And he talked about the code of Cactus Canyon because this was all kind of coming to light.
00:19:56
Speaker
And the interesting part is he said he, uh, CGC, he can't confirm that they're making Cactus Canyon because if they are, they're more than likely not using him for code because he hasn't heard from them at all.
00:20:09
Speaker
But Tom Capara works with Stern.
00:20:11
Speaker
He's very, he works very close with Stern.
00:20:13
Speaker
He's, so I,
00:20:16
Speaker
I don't know if it's because he works for Stern or if they wanted to go a new direction with the rest of the code that they have.
00:20:21
Speaker
Who knows?
00:20:21
Speaker
So, yeah.
00:20:22
Speaker
So it's because it's such an unknown for me.
00:20:25
Speaker
And because I'm thinking, uh, like I love my CGC games and I will also tell you that the two collectors, uh, my two friends who have high end, uh, high, high end collections here, they're both getting cactus Canyon.
00:20:42
Speaker
Yeah.
00:20:43
Speaker
So I feel less of a drive to get the Cactus Canyon because they have like all four of the remakes.
00:20:54
Speaker
So like I, well, they will, they will, they'll, they'll have all four of them.
00:20:58
Speaker
So I feel less, it's the same reason why I don't have a Lord of the Rings because I would love Lord of the Rings and I would have one by now if I don't have the option to go play it at their house.
00:21:09
Speaker
Yeah.
00:21:10
Speaker
Well, and the reason I might get a Cactus Canyon is because I actually don't – I used to have Monster Bash and Attack from Mars.
00:21:17
Speaker
And then I did the whole, well, I can sell my two games and get three or four out of them.
00:21:23
Speaker
Sure.
00:21:24
Speaker
That's fine.
00:21:24
Speaker
It's reasonable.
00:21:25
Speaker
And so I was like, well, I'll sell them.
00:21:27
Speaker
I'm kind of back in that mood of I want a CGC.
00:21:31
Speaker
I probably wouldn't go the LE like I have the last two games.
00:21:36
Speaker
Like the SE?
00:21:36
Speaker
I don't know.
00:21:37
Speaker
I'd get an LE.
00:21:38
Speaker
I totally wouldn't.
00:21:39
Speaker
I would probably just go with the premium.
00:21:42
Speaker
I don't know.
00:21:43
Speaker
You have to see it to see what's all in it.
00:21:45
Speaker
But I'm just... I'm one of those people.
00:21:48
Speaker
It's definitely going to sell regardless if you buy it.
00:21:52
Speaker
I think it will.
00:21:52
Speaker
And I think that their track record has said they're going to do a good job.
00:21:57
Speaker
All right.
00:21:58
Speaker
So new, uh, new tips.
00:22:00
Speaker
So, um, anyway, well, okay.
00:22:05
Speaker
So, okay.
00:22:07
Speaker
Uh, okay.
00:22:08
Speaker
I, we're going to spend about two seconds on this because that's about all it requires is so, uh, so Josh, I'm going to give a statement to you and you tell me on a scale of one to a hundred, how believable you think it is.
00:22:21
Speaker
Okay.
00:22:21
Speaker
Okay.
00:22:22
Speaker
Steve Ritchie immediately leaving Stern and going to JJP.
00:22:27
Speaker
That was shared on Reddit, which is a huge pinball forum.
00:22:32
Speaker
And so it was shared Monday.
00:22:34
Speaker
And if this immediately was happening, it was immediately having happening.
00:22:38
Speaker
And so, okay.
00:22:39
Speaker
On a scale of one to a hundred, a hundred being sure thing.
00:22:44
Speaker
One being is no chance.
00:22:45
Speaker
Um,
00:22:46
Speaker
What do you think?
00:22:48
Speaker
I don't, you don't have to ask no chance.
00:22:50
Speaker
And, and the reason being, I mean, we've been kind of talking about this on the side a little bit.
00:22:54
Speaker
Uh, and the only reason I even caught wind of it is because someone messaged you and was like, Hey, what do you think of this?
00:23:01
Speaker
And so it's just kind of funny, but yeah.
00:23:03
Speaker
And someone who likes to be a troll to us, like, let's be honest, this guy, he's nice.
00:23:08
Speaker
We love him.
00:23:09
Speaker
But there's sometimes he just throws information our way to make us think, is this really happening?
00:23:13
Speaker
Yeah.
00:23:14
Speaker
Yeah.
00:23:15
Speaker
It questions whether or not I took the red pill or the blue pill.
00:23:18
Speaker
Yes.
00:23:18
Speaker
Yes.
00:23:19
Speaker
I totally get it.
00:23:20
Speaker
And so like the chance of that actually happening or, okay, I'm going to rate it as two out of a hundred, just because there is it completely possible.
00:23:30
Speaker
Yeah.
00:23:32
Speaker
But do I think it's likely?
00:23:34
Speaker
No, not, not.
00:23:35
Speaker
Can we give our top three, the top three reasons we decide this is not going to happen at all.
00:23:40
Speaker
Okay, so I'll start with one.
00:23:42
Speaker
One, if this were a real thing, it would not be shared on Reddit.
00:23:47
Speaker
Reddit is not the major pinball forum.
00:23:50
Speaker
It's just the only reason why it goes to Reddit is if other forums are unavailable.
00:23:55
Speaker
So I'll just leave it at that.
00:23:56
Speaker
Go ahead, Josh.
00:23:57
Speaker
So we'd share this on the side.
00:24:00
Speaker
I'll hurry and toss.
00:24:03
Speaker
Okay, so first off...
00:24:06
Speaker
Unless if JJP is planning on producing more games sooner, they have enough designers to fill the timeframe that they are finishing right now.
00:24:14
Speaker
Yeah.
00:24:15
Speaker
So why would they need another designer?
00:24:17
Speaker
Unless they plan on.
00:24:19
Speaker
So that's logic A, right?
00:24:21
Speaker
Yeah.
00:24:22
Speaker
And rumor has it that Steve and Pat aren't BFFs.
00:24:26
Speaker
Yeah, that's reason number two bit number like huge like Pat runs Pat runs JJP.
00:24:33
Speaker
So we'll so unless Steve is willing to work under Pat's control, which I don't think he is.
00:24:43
Speaker
So yeah, no.
00:24:45
Speaker
Well, and if you've listened to the Silver Ball Chronicles, hey, Ron, hey, David, they talked about this in the Lawler episode.
00:24:52
Speaker
When it was at Williams, it was very much Team Lawler versus Team Richie.
00:24:58
Speaker
And so I highly doubt that.
00:25:01
Speaker
Maybe I, well, it's been 20 years, but still, but still I like there's is what's the reason, like it would have to be a spectacular meltdown at Stern for Steve Ritchie to go.
00:25:13
Speaker
I think that it would, I mean, Steve's Steve is at the, at the end of his career, like, right.
00:25:19
Speaker
I mean, he's in the seventies.
00:25:21
Speaker
There's no reason for him to radically shake things up unless something radically happens.
00:25:27
Speaker
Yeah.
00:25:27
Speaker
Yeah.
00:25:28
Speaker
And like you said, I just don't see him going to work under Lawler.
00:25:31
Speaker
That's just my personal opinion.
00:25:33
Speaker
And third, one of the two designers.
00:25:37
Speaker
So if the schedule's not changing on them speeding up and making more games, which right now that's what it looks like.
00:25:44
Speaker
I mean, we're almost a year out from when Guns N' Roses was revealed.
00:25:48
Speaker
It sounds like they're saying pretty much on the same time window they have in the past.
00:25:52
Speaker
Anywho, you know, one of your two designers would have to quit and Eric's not going anywhere.
00:25:57
Speaker
Eric's Eric's Eric is the future of JJP.
00:26:01
Speaker
Yes.
00:26:01
Speaker
And he's, he's solid.
00:26:02
Speaker
He's motivated and he will be doing that.
00:26:06
Speaker
And so like, I don't think Pat's thinking of leaving anytime soon.
00:26:10
Speaker
And the timeline is there.
00:26:11
Speaker
They seem to be comfortable with releasing a game every Friday.
00:26:15
Speaker
one and a half to two years yeah so so i i think that is what it is so no steve's not leaving so there's the four minutes whoever whoever was being uh whoever was the troll who was doing that yeah yeah no chance no chance hey you got you got your four minutes of fame
00:26:33
Speaker
You got your four minutes of pinball fame.
00:26:35
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:26:37
Speaker
Yeah.
00:26:38
Speaker
That's like good for a Slurpee refill or something.
00:26:41
Speaker
Yeah.
00:26:42
Speaker
Okay.
00:26:44
Speaker
So this one hurts my heart.
00:26:46
Speaker
And I've kind of gone off a little bit on this because I don't have any inside information at all in this.
00:26:55
Speaker
But it was announced that, you know, the...
Museum of Pinball Closure and Auctions
00:26:59
Speaker
The museum of pinball in Banning is closing and just everything's being auctioned off.
00:27:04
Speaker
Okay.
00:27:05
Speaker
Now I, okay, Josh, do you want me to give you, give you my take first or do you want to give your take first?
00:27:13
Speaker
Honestly, it sucks that our location is closing.
00:27:19
Speaker
I've never been to the Banning location.
00:27:24
Speaker
It's totally not ideal.
00:27:26
Speaker
It is not a great place.
00:27:28
Speaker
It's kind of in the middle of nowhere.
00:27:30
Speaker
They would have special events a few times a year.
00:27:35
Speaker
I actually ran into one of the guys at the Pinball Hall of Fame who was involved in the Banning Museum.
00:27:44
Speaker
and he was playing Iron Maiden and I just randomly started talking to him.
00:27:47
Speaker
And that's how I found out who he was.
00:27:49
Speaker
And, you know, so this is even before we got into podcasting, I think.
00:27:53
Speaker
Um, but it's, you know, it's expensive to, to store and to turn on the lights and even just the electricity and the air conditioning and all that stuff to run anything.
00:28:04
Speaker
So immediately I was questioning, well, how, like, like how viable is this when the location's not great and it's not like you're making a lot of money from whatever you're doing.
00:28:16
Speaker
Okay.
00:28:16
Speaker
Yeah.
00:28:17
Speaker
So I totally understand when a business goes under.
00:28:21
Speaker
However, what is just, it dumb founds me that things of this magnitude happen and become public so late in the process that the only thing, only avenue they have is to sell everything off.
00:28:39
Speaker
Yeah, like that.
00:28:40
Speaker
That's now I know that they don't owe us anything.
00:28:44
Speaker
And this may be the best thing for them.
00:28:47
Speaker
But if the goal was to find a way of saving everything in whole or in part, then shouldn't shouldn't there be a little bit more of a a grassroots or a PR campaign to say, hey, this is what's going on.
00:29:04
Speaker
This is what we're trying to do.
00:29:06
Speaker
Who's with us?
00:29:07
Speaker
Who can help us with this?
00:29:08
Speaker
Because there are some mega collectors out there.
00:29:13
Speaker
There are some big whales out there who have money, who want to keep pinball stuff alive.
00:29:18
Speaker
So it frustrates me that it's too far gone for anything like that to happen.
00:29:25
Speaker
And it's not even a resurrection progress.
00:29:29
Speaker
It's more of a process.
00:29:30
Speaker
Excuse me.
00:29:31
Speaker
It's just a, hey, it's a fire cell.
00:29:34
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:34
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:35
Speaker
I don't know.
00:29:36
Speaker
The more that I've thought about this, it sucks that it's happening, but it could be one of those things because a lot of people compare it to the Pinball Hall of Fame where they ask for money.
00:29:44
Speaker
But the thing is, Tim Arnold has had...
00:29:48
Speaker
the idea for the, the upgrade of his building for years now, like it's not new.
00:29:53
Speaker
And it's also, it's also in Vegas.
00:29:55
Speaker
Like it is, it is in a place where people come like you and I have been to the pinball hall of fame.
00:30:01
Speaker
You and I have not been to the museum of pinball.
00:30:03
Speaker
There's a reason.
00:30:04
Speaker
And it's the city.
00:30:06
Speaker
And well, and I think the other thing is too, is like some people are living from month to month.
00:30:12
Speaker
And so, yeah, if you ask for that help and the well helps out and you get another six months or a year, you don't know what the future holds, at least with like pinball hall of fame.
00:30:21
Speaker
Tim had had to figure it out how they were going to build it.
00:30:24
Speaker
And they fell short, but he still had a game plan of what they were going to do to keep it going.
00:30:29
Speaker
And even with COVID, they've really, now that it's kind of lightened up and everything, they're still making things work.
00:30:37
Speaker
I'm wondering if it's one of those situations where it's like,
00:30:41
Speaker
I just don't know.
00:30:42
Speaker
There's, there's so many underlying details that we really don't know.
00:30:45
Speaker
And so I just, I go, well, it sucks, but yeah, I'm sure there's a lot more to it.
00:30:50
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:50
Speaker
It just, but it does just kind of frustrate me that it's a, Hey, we're closing and peace out.
00:30:57
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:58
Speaker
And I get that.
00:30:59
Speaker
I get that.
00:30:59
Speaker
But I just, I don't know.
00:31:03
Speaker
I wish the best for him.
00:31:04
Speaker
I really do.
00:31:04
Speaker
Yeah.
00:31:05
Speaker
Like it's, but it's, it's like when you find out someone's getting divorced and you're like, is there, was there any way?
00:31:11
Speaker
Like, I know that there are some times when there's no relationship that can be salvaged.
00:31:15
Speaker
And I know it's a bad comparison, but it just feels like nobody wins in these scenarios.
00:31:20
Speaker
I guess that's, that's what I'm trying to banning.
00:31:22
Speaker
He's been cheating on us this whole time and it just finally came out.
00:31:25
Speaker
Okay, yeah, exactly.
00:31:27
Speaker
Okay, so the comparison didn't work.
00:31:29
Speaker
No, it's fine, dude.
00:31:31
Speaker
No, I get what you're saying, but it is what it is.
00:31:34
Speaker
Yeah.
00:31:36
Speaker
Well, let's move on to something that I'm excited about.
00:31:39
Speaker
I know we can't really give a ton of time to this because it's just a rumor.
00:31:44
Speaker
I'm starting to hear this float around a little bit more and more, but it sounds like P3's next title is...
00:31:49
Speaker
is based off of a video game.
00:31:52
Speaker
It's a license of a video game.
00:31:54
Speaker
And Scott Nisi will be doing the music for it.
00:31:59
Speaker
I don't know if you've ever played Cadence of Hyrule, Scott.
00:32:03
Speaker
It's on Switch.
00:32:04
Speaker
I think it's maybe 15 bucks.
00:32:06
Speaker
It might be a little bit more.
00:32:07
Speaker
But it's really cool because it's hard to sometimes visualize a Super Mario song.
00:32:13
Speaker
Wait, what's it called?
00:32:16
Speaker
Cadence of Hyrule.
00:32:20
Speaker
Okay.
00:32:21
Speaker
It's a music video game?
00:32:22
Speaker
Kind of.
00:32:24
Speaker
So the way it works is if you've ever played the traditional Legend of Zelda where it's top-down, where you go from screen to screen, it's like that.
00:32:32
Speaker
But there is a rhythm and a beat playing during the game.
00:32:35
Speaker
And if you move to the beat, it gives you bonuses for when you are killing bad guys and stuff like that.
00:32:41
Speaker
Oh, it's like a dance party.
00:32:43
Speaker
Kind of, but it's very Zelda-based.
00:32:46
Speaker
Like, it's still...
00:32:48
Speaker
It's the Zelda game that you know with a little twist.
00:32:51
Speaker
Have you played this game on Switch?
00:32:54
Speaker
Have I?
00:32:54
Speaker
Yeah.
00:32:55
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:32:55
Speaker
Love it.
00:32:56
Speaker
Bought it.
00:32:57
Speaker
I've beat it so many times.
00:32:59
Speaker
It's fantastic.
00:33:00
Speaker
Don't say that too many times.
00:33:04
Speaker
If you're looking for a fun game on the Switch, I highly recommend it.
00:33:07
Speaker
But the cool part of it is... It's interesting because that's a Nintendo-ish title.
00:33:14
Speaker
Yes.
00:33:15
Speaker
So that is very interesting, right?
00:33:18
Speaker
It's officially licensed.
00:33:19
Speaker
It's official license from Nintendo.
00:33:21
Speaker
Right, but that's interesting just because of some of the other dream things, right?
00:33:26
Speaker
Like I think people would want a Super Mario Brothers LE version.
00:33:29
Speaker
Yep.
00:33:30
Speaker
So, but the thing I'm saying is, is like a lot of people have a hard time picturing because Scott Denise's music.
00:33:36
Speaker
If you've listened to TNA, which we all have, it's very electronic.
00:33:40
Speaker
Yeah, but it is not Legend of Zelda.
00:33:42
Speaker
Yes.
00:33:43
Speaker
Listen to the cadence, cadence of Hyrule soundtrack on YouTube.
00:33:47
Speaker
It's like two hours long, but just listen to the first five minutes or something.
00:33:50
Speaker
It'll give you an idea of how something could be still like a Scott Denise song, but
00:33:57
Speaker
but still traditional Zelda or Mario or whatever it may be.
00:34:01
Speaker
And maybe they're not going Nintendo.
00:34:02
Speaker
Maybe they're doing a different video game.
00:34:04
Speaker
But when I hear video game, like the very first games I think of are Zelda and Mario.
00:34:09
Speaker
Because I just... Sure.
00:34:11
Speaker
Let's be honest.
00:34:12
Speaker
The flagships of any other system... Not the same.
00:34:17
Speaker
They're not the same.
00:34:18
Speaker
Like Halo, in my opinion, might come close.
00:34:20
Speaker
just cause it's been around for so long.
00:34:22
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:22
Speaker
But no one's like, yeah.
00:34:24
Speaker
Okay.
00:34:24
Speaker
So I, I could get burned on this because I'm not a video game player.
00:34:27
Speaker
And last time I said that, uh, that, uh, Street Fighter two is dead.
00:34:31
Speaker
Then someone corrected me and said, no, it's very much alive.
00:34:38
Speaker
But you just don't see the marketing iconic images with Halo.
00:34:46
Speaker
Like the people who play Halo were like, oh, that's a gun from Halo or the truck, like the Cybertruck or whatever.
00:34:55
Speaker
There were vehicles were like, that looks like a Halo vehicle.
00:34:58
Speaker
However, the average person has no clue.
00:35:01
Speaker
But I would say that the average person knows who...
00:35:05
Speaker
who like link is or link or mario and because they played it as kids like i i played that 40 years ago right or 30 years ago or whenever it was so well and and we went over this it's been six months but we went over the 25 top grossing media oh yeah all time yeah and like pokemon yeah pokemon was number one you shocked me with pokemon i would not have guessed that
00:35:29
Speaker
Yeah, Pokemon and Mario was on there.
00:35:34
Speaker
Legend of Zelda is like really close.
00:35:35
Speaker
Call of Duty is on there.
00:35:38
Speaker
I mean, there's some of those were some of that market didn't overlap with what a pinball market would be.
00:35:45
Speaker
So I understand why Pokemon hasn't been made because it is very much an Asian-centric market.
00:35:53
Speaker
And it's not like, yes, there are Pokemon players here too.
00:35:57
Speaker
But it's not the same.
00:36:00
Speaker
It's not the same penetrance, I guess.
00:36:03
Speaker
What I'm saying is when you think of top brand franchises when it comes to media and video games, it's mostly Nintendo franchises.
00:36:11
Speaker
In my opinion, when it comes to money.
00:36:15
Speaker
Okay, so you educated me on the cadence of Hyrule, but it's going to be a Scott Dinesi game, and it's for P3.
00:36:24
Speaker
The music will definitely be Scott Dinesi.
00:36:27
Speaker
Okay, so what does that mean for P3?
00:36:30
Speaker
I think it's, honestly, right now, the secret sauce to making pinball is a theme.
00:36:36
Speaker
It's as shallow as it is.
00:36:39
Speaker
It's really all it is is the secret sauce.
00:36:43
Speaker
There's a reason.
00:36:43
Speaker
Well, OK, but is that surprising, though?
00:36:47
Speaker
Like when you're when you are connecting with something, you are connecting with a story.
00:36:52
Speaker
You're connecting with the lore.
00:36:54
Speaker
You're connecting with a character.
00:36:56
Speaker
You're connecting with a band.
00:36:57
Speaker
You're connecting with something.
00:36:59
Speaker
And so you are, there's a reason why there's a licensing fee.
00:37:03
Speaker
And because by paying a licensing fee, you are buying that connection, that fan base.
00:37:10
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:10
Speaker
And so it totally makes sense why some licenses will, will command more than others.
00:37:16
Speaker
Yep.
00:37:17
Speaker
Cause it just depends on how much, like I, okay, seriously, you too pinball machine.
00:37:23
Speaker
Like why I, okay.
00:37:25
Speaker
The fan base for you too is significantly greater than like a journey pinball machine or something.
00:37:31
Speaker
And by the way, I'm not taken away from journey.
00:37:33
Speaker
I've seen them.
00:37:34
Speaker
They're great.
00:37:34
Speaker
But the amount of people worldwide that have seen you too, but they're, they probably command a hefty price for their license.
00:37:44
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:45
Speaker
So let's take, I don't know.
00:37:49
Speaker
I'm trying to think.
00:37:50
Speaker
I just, I think, like I said, the secret sauce is themed.
00:37:53
Speaker
So I think, I think this is a really brilliant move for P3, especially where other companies are starting to no longer use
P3's Licensing Strategy and Future Themes
00:38:00
Speaker
their product.
00:38:00
Speaker
Like spooky has now moved back to Ben Hex new circuit board, which is right.
00:38:06
Speaker
And so there's a question about the viability of it.
00:38:08
Speaker
Yeah, I get it.
00:38:09
Speaker
And I don't know if it's because of the software or the hardware that came with the game.
00:38:16
Speaker
But like if Spooky is no longer the map for P3, I assume American Pinball is still going to use it.
00:38:22
Speaker
But I'm not for sure.
00:38:23
Speaker
I have no idea.
00:38:25
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:25
Speaker
I can't remember.
00:38:26
Speaker
I swore someone said they weren't going to.
00:38:28
Speaker
But if that's the case, like...
00:38:32
Speaker
P3 has kind of lived off of selling their circuit boards.
00:38:36
Speaker
So now you'd be back to your own licenses.
00:38:39
Speaker
And don't get me wrong, I enjoy Heist and Lexi Lightspeed and those games, but they really just do need a theme.
00:38:46
Speaker
I think that's really what would just put them on the map at this point.
00:38:49
Speaker
And if you don't think it works...
00:38:54
Speaker
I was wrong with Halloween.
00:38:56
Speaker
I really didn't think Halloween was going to do anything.
00:38:57
Speaker
You know what?
00:38:59
Speaker
I was shocked.
00:39:00
Speaker
And so I'm good for them.
00:39:01
Speaker
Right.
00:39:02
Speaker
And I know there are some people who were really turned off by the theme.
00:39:05
Speaker
So.
00:39:06
Speaker
So that's certainly something to consider.
00:39:08
Speaker
So, yeah.
00:39:09
Speaker
Well, okay.
00:39:10
Speaker
So I learned a new thing that that actually may help move because really kids.
00:39:16
Speaker
Well, one of the reasons why I think Deadpool is so successful is, is be in really adventures in some way, because it feels closer to what a video game feels like.
00:39:26
Speaker
And that connects with younger audiences.
00:39:29
Speaker
Yep.
00:39:30
Speaker
So I got thinking about today and I know that Avengers kind of does it, but what if a pinball company took the approach like breath of the wild?
00:39:41
Speaker
If you've never played breath of the wild, you can instantly get to the final boss from the very beginning of the game, but it is ridiculously hard to do.
00:39:52
Speaker
And the boss is ridiculously hard to beat.
00:39:54
Speaker
What if you could approach, you could play the wizard mode from the very beginning, but
00:39:59
Speaker
which I guess you technically can when they've got you, you hold the flippers together, but like in actual gameplay, you could go directly for the final wizard mode from the very first flip, but it was, it would be ridiculously hard to complete, but by completing other modes and other achievements in the game makes it easier for the final mode to be finished.
00:40:20
Speaker
Yeah, it's interesting, right?
00:40:22
Speaker
I mean, there's a whole point on Deadpool.
00:40:25
Speaker
There's a, you know, the, the reason why you want a few things like you always want Wolverine because your damage is so much higher.
00:40:33
Speaker
Yeah.
00:40:34
Speaker
And, you know, if you want, you know, if you want more points, then you certainly want Colossus.
00:40:40
Speaker
So there, you know, there are things, and if you want a disco ball, then you want Dazzler.
00:40:44
Speaker
Um, so just little things like that, um, make it, so maybe that's, that's kind of interesting, but isn't that also like what the, what the average mode or the insane mode, I mean, on, on, on adventures, you get to choose, right?
00:41:00
Speaker
Like I choose the, I choose the basic version and Colin was here and he was flipping around.
00:41:06
Speaker
He's like, yeah, I'll go for insane version.
00:41:07
Speaker
I'm like, okay, good luck.
00:41:09
Speaker
So the concept I'm presenting, let's take Avengers, for example, is you would automatically be able to play Thanos at the very beginning.
00:41:16
Speaker
Sure.
00:41:17
Speaker
And this concept still is kind of that way because Keith has made it.
00:41:20
Speaker
If you collect gems, it makes it easier to complete Thanos once you get to him.
00:41:24
Speaker
Sure.
00:41:25
Speaker
But it would be insanely hard to beat Thanos, but you could play him for the very first flip.
00:41:31
Speaker
Yeah.
00:41:32
Speaker
Don't you think that would be like chopping wood, though?
00:41:34
Speaker
If it's like hit the orbit 60 times.
00:41:37
Speaker
And it doesn't have to be like that, but it could definitely be like, okay.
00:41:42
Speaker
It's the final battle.
00:41:44
Speaker
Yeah.
00:41:44
Speaker
The mini games though, they typically aren't the final, final mode, right?
00:41:49
Speaker
It's like the second to final mode.
00:41:52
Speaker
So, you know, it's like the escape from new Blar is not when dinosaurs ruled the earth.
00:41:57
Speaker
Correct.
00:41:58
Speaker
And battle Thanos is the final mode, if I remember correctly.
00:42:01
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:01
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:02
Speaker
I've gotten there once or twice, and I don't think there's anything after you beat Thanos.
00:42:06
Speaker
No, there is.
00:42:07
Speaker
You get to play as Thor, and you get to wear the Infinity Gauntlet, and you get to start destroying people.
00:42:16
Speaker
It's totally twisted.
00:42:18
Speaker
I don't remember that.
00:42:19
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:22
Speaker
Maybe that was just in my dream modes.
00:42:23
Speaker
So maybe.
00:42:24
Speaker
So I'm excited.
00:42:25
Speaker
I'm excited.
00:42:26
Speaker
I definitely want to see a video game theme that isn't Pac-Man, that isn't Space Invaders, that isn't Spy Hunter.
00:42:33
Speaker
Don't get me wrong.
00:42:34
Speaker
Those are all fantastic games, but I want one that I know there's a story behind and I can dig deep into the video game or into the pinball machine via the video game.
00:42:43
Speaker
Okay.
00:42:44
Speaker
You know what?
00:42:44
Speaker
That's, that's actually, it's a good point.
00:42:46
Speaker
And I love what they've been doing and, and, you know, Dwight started it with, are you a God?
00:42:51
Speaker
Right.
00:42:51
Speaker
Or, um, that's, that was the mode, right?
00:42:54
Speaker
Um, and so that's, it's fun to be able to say, Hey, let's, let's do different things.
00:43:00
Speaker
And I've loved the challenge of things.
00:43:02
Speaker
So those are great.
00:43:04
Speaker
All right, let's move on to the next, uh, the item and we'll kind of not tangent this one.
00:43:11
Speaker
we keep hearing, you know, Stern's coming out with another game.
00:43:14
Speaker
It's, it's probably gonna be here fall.
00:43:16
Speaker
Um, is it Borg or is it Elwin?
00:43:21
Speaker
Okay.
00:43:21
Speaker
Borg.
00:43:22
Speaker
We've heard it's a possible music theme as in maybe rush.
00:43:26
Speaker
That's the rumor.
00:43:28
Speaker
And then, or is it Ellen's Godzilla, which is the other rumor?
00:43:32
Speaker
Yeah, and really, we don't have any confirmation on these things.
00:43:37
Speaker
The Godzilla thing, the reason why that's been tapped is because, one, we know they have the license, right?
00:43:44
Speaker
Yeah, because Spooky was a little upset about the whole Godzilla thing and they went off about it on the podcast.
00:43:50
Speaker
I would say understandably.
00:43:53
Speaker
I'm not saying they're not justified in it.
00:43:55
Speaker
I'm just saying, hey, that's what happened.
00:43:56
Speaker
Yeah, and so we know that it's kicking around.
00:43:58
Speaker
So we're thinking that, you know, and so, okay, so let's go over the designers that Stern has.
00:44:06
Speaker
So we have Borg, we have Richie,
00:44:10
Speaker
We have Elwin and possibly Gomez if he wants to jump into the ring, right?
00:44:16
Speaker
You forgot Eddie too.
00:44:18
Speaker
And Eddie.
00:44:18
Speaker
Okay, so they have five.
00:44:19
Speaker
All right.
00:44:20
Speaker
But I think Gomez has strictly said, even on recent podcasts, he's just not...
00:44:25
Speaker
designing anymore.
00:44:25
Speaker
Well, okay.
00:44:26
Speaker
We all know why he designed Deadpool.
00:44:28
Speaker
And that was because he jumped in to, to rescue that.
00:44:32
Speaker
And I would say he did an amazing job.
00:44:34
Speaker
I agree.
00:44:35
Speaker
So, okay.
00:44:36
Speaker
So Eddie, Eddie's game just got released.
00:44:39
Speaker
So he's not available.
00:44:42
Speaker
Um, so Steve Ritchie, well, his game was before that.
00:44:46
Speaker
So, yeah.
00:44:47
Speaker
So he's not coming out with another one.
00:44:48
Speaker
So he's not coming out.
00:44:49
Speaker
So I just, we're just doing the math.
00:44:52
Speaker
So you're going to have either Elwyn or Borg.
00:44:56
Speaker
And so, okay.
00:44:57
Speaker
So now Borg had turtles and Elwyn had Avengers.
00:45:03
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:04
Speaker
So remind me of the timeline.
00:45:06
Speaker
Wasn't Avengers first?
00:45:08
Speaker
No.
00:45:09
Speaker
Well, Borg had Ninja Turtles.
00:45:11
Speaker
Oh, that's right.
00:45:12
Speaker
It was turtles.
00:45:13
Speaker
And then it was Avengers.
00:45:14
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:14
Speaker
Yes.
00:45:15
Speaker
And Ninja Trolls came out right at the beginning of the pandemic.
00:45:17
Speaker
So it was like April.
00:45:18
Speaker
Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:45:19
Speaker
May 2020.
00:45:20
Speaker
Avengers was in the fall.
00:45:22
Speaker
Okay.
00:45:23
Speaker
All right.
00:45:23
Speaker
That's why I have a hard time believing that Elwyn's is next.
00:45:25
Speaker
Like mathematically, I just feel like Elwyn's is coming out in the winter.
00:45:30
Speaker
That winter timeline, like the Led Zeppelins and the Stranger Things.
00:45:35
Speaker
Sure.
00:45:35
Speaker
But couldn't it also just be when it's done, it's done?
00:45:39
Speaker
Possibly.
00:45:40
Speaker
And granted, there could be license hang-ups.
00:45:42
Speaker
I mean, I assume if they are doing Godzilla, it'd be a lot easier to work with the licensor than maybe, say, Rush.
00:45:50
Speaker
Don't know.
00:45:51
Speaker
I don't know.
00:45:52
Speaker
Why would Rush be hard?
00:45:53
Speaker
It could be like the whole Beatles thing where you have to get it... You've got four estates that you have to pretty much sign off on it.
00:46:02
Speaker
Well, okay.
00:46:03
Speaker
So there's three people in Rush and one of them's dead.
00:46:06
Speaker
So...
00:46:09
Speaker
I don't know.
00:46:10
Speaker
Okay.
00:46:11
Speaker
I do not think it is the level of Beatles complexity to deal with Rush.
00:46:16
Speaker
I get that.
00:46:16
Speaker
But what I'm saying is there's still some complexity there where and like the Beatles, they only met like once a year.
00:46:22
Speaker
Yeah.
00:46:23
Speaker
And so like the licensing, they had to have it already for like that one day or whatever it was.
00:46:26
Speaker
Yeah.
00:46:27
Speaker
Where I doubt it's like that with Rush, but still.
00:46:29
Speaker
Yeah, they're not really doing much.
00:46:30
Speaker
Even though the dude's passed away.
00:46:32
Speaker
Yeah.
00:46:32
Speaker
Like his family still has the rights of what happens.
00:46:34
Speaker
Okay.
00:46:35
Speaker
That's fair.
00:46:35
Speaker
So yeah, I'm just kind of curious to see what
00:46:41
Speaker
So I know it is a possible and I would say that if it ends up being a music pen, I think Borg is actually a good one to do a music pen.
00:46:51
Speaker
I enrich he's done a few.
00:46:53
Speaker
Well, has Borg done a music pen?
00:46:57
Speaker
Yes, he did Metallica.
00:46:58
Speaker
Oh, okay.
00:46:59
Speaker
Oh, okay.
00:46:59
Speaker
Duh.
00:47:00
Speaker
Sorry.
00:47:00
Speaker
Okay.
00:47:02
Speaker
All right.
00:47:02
Speaker
I'm an idiot.
00:47:03
Speaker
That's the first one that comes to my mind.
00:47:05
Speaker
I'd have to look at the others.
00:47:06
Speaker
I am Scott and this is my first day in pinball.
00:47:09
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:11
Speaker
Okay.
00:47:11
Speaker
So yes, he's, he's done a great one and yes, but it's okay.
00:47:16
Speaker
It's interesting though.
00:47:17
Speaker
Cause if you look at, okay.
00:47:19
Speaker
Design teams too.
00:47:21
Speaker
So yeah,
00:47:23
Speaker
Borg is a little bit of the wild card because you have Elwynn who basically does his own rules and Rick, like that's the team.
00:47:32
Speaker
You have Richie and Tim Sexton.
00:47:35
Speaker
And then you have, okay, so Borg.
00:47:38
Speaker
Borg is the one who kind of goes through a different, you know, a few.
00:47:42
Speaker
I mean, there's Dwight, there's Lonnie and there's the other guy who hasn't done anything in a long time.
00:47:51
Speaker
So
00:47:53
Speaker
So is Lyman is Lyman done?
00:47:55
Speaker
Is Lyman done coding or does, does Lyman just come out for big product, big projects?
00:48:01
Speaker
And if there's a big project coming up, maybe that's an interesting question.
00:48:06
Speaker
If there's a big game coming up that warrants the Elwin treatment tree, sorry, the,
00:48:13
Speaker
Try that again.
00:48:15
Speaker
If there's a big game that warrants a Lyman code deep dive, like what is it?
00:48:21
Speaker
And the last basic game that he has done has been Walking Dead, right?
00:48:26
Speaker
Yep.
00:48:27
Speaker
And then he did Batman 66, which we know was a crazy deep rule set.
00:48:35
Speaker
Yep.
00:48:35
Speaker
And he changed that game from being a dog to a very coveted game.
00:48:41
Speaker
did the same thing with walking dead.
00:48:43
Speaker
I'll point out and he's done Elvira.
00:48:47
Speaker
So is there another big game that's coming out for him?
00:48:52
Speaker
Well, and here's the other thing.
00:48:53
Speaker
I really didn't put much thought into this until now.
00:48:56
Speaker
Um,
00:48:57
Speaker
Dwight was on code for turtles, but now he's on Mandalorian.
00:49:02
Speaker
So that leaves John Borg free.
00:49:05
Speaker
Well, not free, but obviously the, they usually work in teams.
00:49:08
Speaker
Like they usually don't really switch up who they're using.
00:49:11
Speaker
What was Lonnie's last name?
00:49:14
Speaker
Stranger things was the last thing that Lonnie Ropp worked on.
00:49:17
Speaker
And that's been, that was 2019.
00:49:19
Speaker
Well, that was okay.
00:49:21
Speaker
So two years.
00:49:21
Speaker
Okay.
00:49:22
Speaker
So legitimately he could be, he could be available for that.
00:49:26
Speaker
Well, it looks like Lonnie typically works with John Borg, too.
00:49:29
Speaker
Yeah, so that could be good.
00:49:31
Speaker
Oh, hey, Aerosmith, that's another John Borg game, so that's another music pin.
00:49:36
Speaker
Oh, jeez, man.
00:49:37
Speaker
Okay, so, yeah.
00:49:38
Speaker
All right, yeah.
00:49:42
Speaker
Oh, guess what?
00:49:42
Speaker
I might be a little tired.
00:49:43
Speaker
I was up all night.
00:49:45
Speaker
Kiss with Lonnie Robb and John Borg.
00:49:48
Speaker
All right, I was legitimately up all night, so I apologize.
00:49:50
Speaker
I know you're fine, Captain.
00:49:52
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:53
Speaker
Okay, so...
00:49:56
Speaker
I think that it sounds, it sounds like there's a, there's a good chance.
00:50:01
Speaker
And I'm, I'm also just wondering what Lonnie's are not.
00:50:05
Speaker
So what, what Lyman's next game really would be then.
00:50:10
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:10
Speaker
Cause that, he's got to fit into the pipeline somehow.
00:50:13
Speaker
He can't, but he can't be resurrecting old code on everything.
00:50:17
Speaker
But you look at the timeline though too.
00:50:18
Speaker
And it looks like Lyman's,
00:50:20
Speaker
His window is getting longer and longer.
Stern's Next Moves and Market Dynamics
00:50:22
Speaker
Like from walking dead to Batman was like two years.
00:50:24
Speaker
And from Batman to fire was three years.
00:50:26
Speaker
I'm not saying it's gonna be four years till his next game, but we're looking two to three years, which I mean, it still puts us.
00:50:34
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:34
Speaker
Avira came out.
00:50:36
Speaker
Was it last?
00:50:37
Speaker
Yeah, it was last, last Halloween.
00:50:40
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:41
Speaker
Last October.
00:50:42
Speaker
So who knows?
00:50:44
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:46
Speaker
I have a hard time believing that Elwin's game.
00:50:48
Speaker
And I could be wrong because last time we had Elwin on, he said that game four was already in the bag and he was already, was he working on the Whitewood for five?
00:50:54
Speaker
Like he was.
00:50:55
Speaker
Well, I think he's a machine.
00:50:56
Speaker
I think I, okay, let's, okay.
00:51:00
Speaker
I'll put on my Elwin fanboy hat.
00:51:01
Speaker
I mean, he's, he's a savant at gift at designing.
00:51:06
Speaker
I mean, he's really just unbelievable.
00:51:09
Speaker
He hasn't had a dog yet.
00:51:11
Speaker
Um, so is, does he just have that many rabbits in the hat?
00:51:15
Speaker
Um, probably actually.
00:51:17
Speaker
Probably.
00:51:18
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:19
Speaker
This is a man that knows his, well, and it's crazy.
00:51:21
Speaker
Like, um, we did the Steve Ritchie episode and I'm trying to think, I can't remember what it was.
00:51:28
Speaker
Oh, we talked about the, uh, the jets versus the pop bumpers or the thumper bumpers or whatever.
00:51:33
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:34
Speaker
And we were trying to talk about the history of that.
00:51:36
Speaker
And like,
00:51:37
Speaker
Richie really couldn't remember and we really weren't getting a straight answer.
00:51:40
Speaker
Elwin had messaged me within 24 hours that we had released that and gave me the exact information on it.
00:51:46
Speaker
I was like, oh, dang, dude.
00:51:48
Speaker
Like, with references and everything.
00:51:51
Speaker
Remind me what it was.
00:51:54
Speaker
I guess you didn't share it with me, huh?
00:51:56
Speaker
Well, we talked about it.
00:51:57
Speaker
Well, I don't.
00:51:58
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't.
00:52:00
Speaker
That's okay.
00:52:01
Speaker
That's okay.
00:52:01
Speaker
I mean, you're Ellen's BFF.
00:52:03
Speaker
It's all good.
00:52:03
Speaker
I'm just the millhouse to your Bart.
00:52:06
Speaker
It's fine.
00:52:08
Speaker
Yeah, it just was talking about how...
00:52:11
Speaker
Because we were talking about where did the name jets versus jet bumpers versus the jet bumper or jet bumper versus what were the pop bumpers.
00:52:23
Speaker
And so he had sent over Reno.
00:52:27
Speaker
It's a pinball machine from forever ago.
00:52:30
Speaker
Wow.
00:52:31
Speaker
That is a legendary pinball machine that literally three people have.
00:52:35
Speaker
That will.
00:52:37
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:38
Speaker
So.
00:52:40
Speaker
Wow.
00:52:41
Speaker
Interesting.
00:52:42
Speaker
It was released in 1957.
00:52:44
Speaker
But that's what's crazy to me is like is like Keith knows this like right off the top of his head.
00:52:49
Speaker
And it was like, boom, here you go.
00:52:51
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:52
Speaker
So I think that's why, what makes him such a great designers because he can take concepts from past games and make new concepts or twists on them.
00:53:00
Speaker
Right.
00:53:01
Speaker
Okay.
00:53:02
Speaker
And that's what we want.
00:53:02
Speaker
Right.
00:53:03
Speaker
Okay.
00:53:03
Speaker
So speaking of new twists, I mean, we have talked about this.
00:53:05
Speaker
If the suspected theme is going to be Godzilla, is it too close to a dinosaur game?
00:53:11
Speaker
Dinosaur game.
00:53:14
Speaker
It makes me nervous.
00:53:15
Speaker
Yeah, it really does.
00:53:16
Speaker
Does he have, does he have a brontosaurus head that moves in the right side?
00:53:19
Speaker
Yeah.
00:53:20
Speaker
Well, and it depends because I know that they said that they got the new Godzilla theme and the old Toho.
00:53:29
Speaker
I don't know how well Toho would sell.
00:53:31
Speaker
Looking at Ultraman and it's selling out in a day at $750, it might not be an issue.
00:53:36
Speaker
It may be.
00:53:37
Speaker
And the funny thing is I actually know someone who like he got it and I started talking to him about it.
00:53:45
Speaker
I was like, wow, that's really crazy.
00:53:49
Speaker
So, you know, that's that's just so funny that, you know, it's Tim Purcell.
00:53:54
Speaker
He and he has a he has a Guns N' Roses collector's edition.
00:53:58
Speaker
And he told me he got an Ultraman.
00:54:00
Speaker
I was like, really?
00:54:01
Speaker
Like, OK, like I have never heard of this game.
00:54:04
Speaker
Or this theme, excuse me.
00:54:06
Speaker
So, huh, that's, that's crazy.
00:54:09
Speaker
So yeah, who knows?
00:54:11
Speaker
Maybe, yeah, you're right.
00:54:12
Speaker
Maybe the, the Toho version is the gateway to Japan or whatever.
00:54:17
Speaker
Well, and I guess there are two entirely different themes.
00:54:21
Speaker
Let's think about that way.
00:54:22
Speaker
Like, are you going to go goofy?
00:54:23
Speaker
Yeah.
00:54:24
Speaker
old school, more like dinosaurs wrestling versus the new stuff that's like more realistic, as realistic as you can be with monsters destroying cities and attacking each other and go for that realism because Jurassic Park feels realistic to me.
00:54:42
Speaker
Like they go for that realism.
00:54:43
Speaker
Like you could believe that scientists had actually done this.
00:54:46
Speaker
Yeah.
00:54:47
Speaker
Versus.
00:54:49
Speaker
Yeah.
00:54:49
Speaker
Toho where there's a Godzilla dropping an elbow on, on one of the bad guys, you know?
00:54:54
Speaker
Okay.
00:54:55
Speaker
And do you really think that that would fly with today's audience?
00:54:59
Speaker
Like the stop motion photography, like the Jason and the Argonauts.
00:55:03
Speaker
I maybe power Rangers is still huge power Rangers.
00:55:06
Speaker
Are you serious?
00:55:07
Speaker
It's still, it's still, yeah.
00:55:08
Speaker
Power Rangers is huge and it's kind of the same concept.
00:55:11
Speaker
You think about it.
00:55:11
Speaker
Didn't one of the Rangers like get arrested for like killing someone?
00:55:15
Speaker
I don't know.
00:55:16
Speaker
I don't, I don't keep up on that, dude.
00:55:18
Speaker
I know.
00:55:19
Speaker
Okay.
00:55:19
Speaker
But this, this was like one of the actors from like 30 years ago, like got arrested for something bad.
00:55:25
Speaker
So.
00:55:26
Speaker
I don't know.
00:55:27
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know.
00:55:28
Speaker
I still am one of those that don't understand monster movies because it feels like I've seen them.
00:55:39
Speaker
I don't know.
00:55:40
Speaker
It's okay.
00:55:41
Speaker
But I am first to admit that when Rick and Morty was announced, I was just like, what the world?
00:55:47
Speaker
I hadn't even heard of Rick and Morty aside from Ryan C saying he would love it.
00:55:53
Speaker
Yeah.
00:55:55
Speaker
I think back to the original question, I think it all depends the toys that you integrate and how you use them.
00:56:01
Speaker
If you have Godzilla eating the ball, then yes, it's too close to Jurassic Park.
00:56:06
Speaker
And Keith, that one knows that.
00:56:07
Speaker
He's not going to be like, well, let's just slap another Godzilla on there and have him eat the ball.
00:56:11
Speaker
I did that two games ago.
00:56:13
Speaker
Okay, by the way, I love that.
00:56:15
Speaker
I think that's awesome.
00:56:16
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:19
Speaker
It's a total reskin.
00:56:21
Speaker
It's like a total reskin of Jurassic Park.
00:56:23
Speaker
They're like, no, it's totally Godzilla.
00:56:26
Speaker
That would be hilarious.
00:56:27
Speaker
That's what Stern should do just to mess with us, right?
00:56:30
Speaker
Troll us entirely.
00:56:31
Speaker
They should just send a picture, like new artwork just laid over the top of Jurassic Park.
00:56:36
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:37
Speaker
And like the Raptor Tower could be Mothra's lair or something like that.
00:56:41
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:42
Speaker
The Hydra scoop on the Hydra right ramp or something.
00:56:47
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:48
Speaker
Did you see this?
00:56:50
Speaker
I totally must have missed this, but Godzilla came out in 2019.
00:56:54
Speaker
Did you see that?
00:56:57
Speaker
I own it.
00:56:57
Speaker
It's good.
00:56:58
Speaker
Okay.
00:57:00
Speaker
King of Monsters?
00:57:01
Speaker
Okay.
00:57:02
Speaker
All right.
00:57:03
Speaker
So, okay.
00:57:04
Speaker
I felt like... Okay, please tell me it was like an over-the-top where he had a wrestling match with one of the... No, it wasn't.
00:57:12
Speaker
It was good.
00:57:14
Speaker
So the first Godzilla is good.
00:57:16
Speaker
I actually enjoyed the King Kong movie that came out, Skull Island, a lot better.
00:57:22
Speaker
But then like the third one that was like Godzilla, maybe it was Godzilla King of Monsters.
00:57:27
Speaker
I thought it was a little much.
00:57:28
Speaker
And then now they've come out with Godzilla versus King Kong.
00:57:31
Speaker
I haven't seen it yet.
00:57:32
Speaker
I've heard mixed reviews.
00:57:34
Speaker
Yeah, wow.
00:57:35
Speaker
Okay.
00:57:37
Speaker
That's crazy.
00:57:39
Speaker
We'll have a movie night.
00:57:39
Speaker
You'll just come up, bring the kids over, we'll watch the first Godzilla.
00:57:42
Speaker
It's decent.
00:57:43
Speaker
My son loved it.
00:57:44
Speaker
Okay, all right.
00:57:47
Speaker
It's just like I still remember the like my friend.
00:57:51
Speaker
I was totally jealous of this, which just shows how low the bar was for my childhood that he had like one of those Godzilla toys.
00:57:59
Speaker
And I'm not kidding, like the coolest.
00:58:00
Speaker
It was about 18 inches to two feet tall.
00:58:02
Speaker
It was a big toy.
00:58:04
Speaker
But the coolest thing about it is like you'd hit a button on his arm and it would shoot his hand off and like hit something.
00:58:11
Speaker
It was like, that was a cool toy back when I grew up, which is probably why like stickball was still popular.
00:58:18
Speaker
So you went shocked me about Kong skull Island actually was the cast.
00:58:24
Speaker
It has an actually really good cast.
00:58:27
Speaker
um i don't know where they got the money for if these guys just took a little bit less money uh tom hilston the guy that plays loki brie larson the lady that plays captain marvel samuel jackson do i even have to say what he's played in wow john goodman john c reilly from stepbrothers and and all those other movies i mean there was just a really good cast to this movie and i just
00:58:52
Speaker
Maybe that's why it was better.
00:58:53
Speaker
I don't know.
00:58:53
Speaker
It just, it was good.
00:58:55
Speaker
You've got classic Samuel L. Jackson and that just going off, you know?
00:58:59
Speaker
Yeah, it's just so weird.
00:59:03
Speaker
Okay, I am going to show you a picture.
00:59:06
Speaker
I'm going to send you a picture of this toy, and you will see how stupid it is.
00:59:11
Speaker
Okay, are you at your computer?
00:59:13
Speaker
Yes.
00:59:14
Speaker
Okay, so look up Godzilla Shogun Toho Warriors Mattel 1977.
00:59:19
Speaker
Okay, let's check this out.
00:59:25
Speaker
Travel back to the groovies 1970s with the Shogun Warriors Godzilla.
00:59:30
Speaker
Groovy.
00:59:30
Speaker
Made to replicate the original design, the Shogun Warriors Godzilla features flicking tongue action, rolling wheels under his feet, and a firing right fist stands 18 inches tall.
00:59:41
Speaker
Okay, so I just sent you a link.
00:59:42
Speaker
Seriously, look at how stupid this toy was.
00:59:46
Speaker
And that was a cool toy back in the day.
00:59:48
Speaker
You can shoot off both of Godzilla's fists.
00:59:51
Speaker
The side profile looks terrible.
00:59:53
Speaker
The head portion to the body is just not right.
00:59:57
Speaker
This thing's weird.
00:59:59
Speaker
Yeah, I know.
01:00:00
Speaker
It looks like a lizard man thing.
01:00:03
Speaker
So anyway, see, okay, the only reason why I bring up that terrible toy is because I don't know if the old version, the old campy version would sell.
01:00:18
Speaker
you know what you slap good art on it.
01:00:19
Speaker
You may, you get a really good artist behind it, which by the way, if, if this is Elwin, then we do know that the artist with him would be zombie Yeti.
01:00:32
Speaker
And that's because it was announced on.
01:00:35
Speaker
It was, it was talked about before, you know, it was, I want to say it was on the back box pinball podcast.
01:00:41
Speaker
And this was like a year ago or more.
01:00:44
Speaker
Okay, I'm sure that Zombie Yeti can do an awesome job with Godzilla because he's done, well, okay, what hasn't he done an awesome job with?
01:00:53
Speaker
But yeah, that's, it's one of those where this is the theme that it doesn't do anything for me, but I will buy any Keith game.
01:01:05
Speaker
So I would.
01:01:09
Speaker
Here we go.
01:01:10
Speaker
So we know that CGC is going to come out with Cactus Canyon.
01:01:12
Speaker
Sorry.
01:01:13
Speaker
The rumored Cactus Canyon soon.
01:01:15
Speaker
Or it's possibly Elwin with Godzilla.
01:01:18
Speaker
Which one do you choose?
01:01:20
Speaker
See, I would choose Godzilla just because of Elwin, though.
01:01:23
Speaker
And just because every single game that I've played of his I think is...
01:01:29
Speaker
it's such a different approach and it feels different than any other game I've played.
01:01:35
Speaker
And it's just not Keith Elwin.
01:01:37
Speaker
I mean, Rick Nangle and his team that he gets behind him when he's doing software, I know that he's kind of following what Keith tells him to do, but let's be honest, like his code is very, very solid.
01:01:49
Speaker
I've never been playing a Keith Elwin game and all of a sudden the game just stops and reboots.
01:01:55
Speaker
Or I hit something and it freezes up the game.
01:01:59
Speaker
And I've had that issue with other games, like other software programmers.
01:02:07
Speaker
I don't want to single anyone out.
01:02:09
Speaker
Yeah, that's a good idea.
01:02:10
Speaker
Yeah.
01:02:11
Speaker
But yeah, absolutely.
01:02:13
Speaker
It's, uh, it always feels very, it's a ready game.
01:02:17
Speaker
There's a reason why people win a, an L one game come, it comes out.
01:02:21
Speaker
They're like, Hey, let's put it in the tournament.
01:02:23
Speaker
And even Keith's like, no dude, this is not tournament ready, but his level of tournament ready versus other people's I think is different.
01:02:31
Speaker
But that's the thing though.
01:02:32
Speaker
Like with Avengers, I got it pretty much.
01:02:34
Speaker
It was a couple of months after it came out.
01:02:36
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
01:02:37
Speaker
But from the day I started playing it, even though the code wasn't complete, it wasn't 1.0 and all the modes were in there, I still felt like I could explore the game to a good point of it.
01:02:46
Speaker
Like I never hit the end of the road and the game frees up and start over.
01:02:52
Speaker
And I've had that with other games.
01:02:55
Speaker
And so that's why I'm like, the team that runs with Keith, that one is just, it's fire.
01:03:01
Speaker
Like they are, that's the thing is like,
01:03:04
Speaker
I thought about it and I'm like, do I really still want Mando with when I know Keith Iwan's game is going to be coming out here soon?
01:03:10
Speaker
I think Mandalorian, you can always, you can always sell on if you don't like it.
01:03:17
Speaker
But I think the theme is really well integrated.
01:03:20
Speaker
I guess I'll put it that way.
01:03:21
Speaker
So I went to an ice cream parlor today and,
01:03:25
Speaker
And they had a Rothrill's game.
01:03:28
Speaker
They had a Galaga.
01:03:29
Speaker
They also had a Star Wars Pro and they had a, um, a Mandalorian Pro and they were on free play, which was just shocking to me, but it was, I know it was fun.
01:03:42
Speaker
Like you could play those things and, and,
01:03:44
Speaker
And I got a little bit, I know he set, I'm sure he hasn't changed any of the settings, but I got replays every time.
01:03:53
Speaker
So I felt like I was advancing things pretty well.
01:03:56
Speaker
And I was able to understand the code, even though I've only played like five games on it.
01:04:01
Speaker
So yeah, I think it will still be a seller.
01:04:06
Speaker
I can't tell you how many times people have
01:04:09
Speaker
When they find out you're into pinball and then I tell them the latest themes, they always light up.
01:04:14
Speaker
Wait, the Mandalorian.
01:04:15
Speaker
I, yeah.
01:04:16
Speaker
Tell me more.
01:04:18
Speaker
So again, what did you say?
01:04:20
Speaker
Theme cells.
01:04:22
Speaker
Theme that it's, that's the secret sauce.
01:04:24
Speaker
It really is.
01:04:25
Speaker
Yeah.
01:04:25
Speaker
It's not a secret.
01:04:28
Speaker
It's the obvi sauce.
01:04:30
Speaker
It's, it's, it's the pickle sauce on top of the Big Mac.
01:04:34
Speaker
All it is is like pickled juice with mustard or whatever.
01:04:37
Speaker
I love that commercial.
01:04:38
Speaker
It's like, we have secret sauce.
01:04:40
Speaker
They're like, isn't that just like Thousand Island?
01:04:42
Speaker
They're like, shh.
01:04:43
Speaker
It's like, what's the secret sauce?
01:04:46
Speaker
Well, we have themes.
01:04:48
Speaker
Oh, shh.
01:04:49
Speaker
Yeah.
01:04:50
Speaker
Shh.
01:04:50
Speaker
Don't talk about it.
01:04:51
Speaker
Don't give away the secrets.
01:04:53
Speaker
Exactly.
01:04:55
Speaker
No, I'm looking forward to anything that's coming out.
01:04:57
Speaker
It stinks because like...
01:05:01
Speaker
I remember being able to just browse Pinside and being like, oh, well, I want to see how many shadows are available.
01:05:08
Speaker
And you'd go on there and there'd be four or five.
01:05:10
Speaker
And you'd laugh at the ones that are like $1,000 more than what's
01:05:13
Speaker
the average price on pin side.
01:05:15
Speaker
And now you came and find a shadow on pin side.
01:05:17
Speaker
No, you can't.
01:05:18
Speaker
And so, but I think we are starting to hit an, like a, I mean, apex, a peak, whatever you want to call it.
01:05:24
Speaker
Um, because I'm starting to see what, I don't think it can go up anymore.
01:05:28
Speaker
Yeah.
01:05:29
Speaker
I, and it seems like it is.
01:05:30
Speaker
Okay.
01:05:31
Speaker
I would argue it's probably risen to the level.
01:05:34
Speaker
It should be.
01:05:36
Speaker
Um, I, I still think that Stern has always sold a, a, a,
01:05:43
Speaker
ridiculously competitively priced
Pricing Justification and Market Shifts
01:05:47
Speaker
professional game for their pros.
01:05:50
Speaker
Their premiums are probably more like right priced, but they're pro if that's exactly what you want.
01:05:57
Speaker
It's still an arcade level game that you can put in your home.
01:06:02
Speaker
And they have some pretty crazy things in there.
01:06:05
Speaker
So, yeah.
01:06:07
Speaker
So it's, it's probably just getting up to where it should be.
01:06:09
Speaker
And I, and we saw that the collector's edition showed that there was a premium premium and ultra premium market.
01:06:17
Speaker
Yeah.
01:06:18
Speaker
So, well, I, I think the other thing too is, is people start to freak out when one of these machines sell for high dollar, but what about the machines that come after it?
01:06:26
Speaker
Like,
01:06:27
Speaker
My example is Medieval Madness.
01:06:29
Speaker
I know a Medieval Madness LE just sold for like $16,000 a couple months ago.
01:06:34
Speaker
Wow.
01:06:35
Speaker
Okay.
01:06:35
Speaker
But still, like after the fact now...
01:06:39
Speaker
I go on there and people are having a hard time selling at 12.
01:06:41
Speaker
Like one of them sold at 12 just recently.
01:06:43
Speaker
Right.
01:06:43
Speaker
And so there's usually a story behind that one.
01:06:47
Speaker
Or there was someone who... It was laughable.
01:06:51
Speaker
Like someone said they were selling... It was a game for like $70,000 and it said or best offer.
01:06:57
Speaker
I can't even remember what it was.
01:06:59
Speaker
But it was just like, wow, okay, they're really setting that high.
01:07:03
Speaker
Yeah.
01:07:04
Speaker
I think when we start seeing these games sell for a consistent high dollar, like a consistent, like Tron, we, we know the story about the Tron that happened a month or two ago.
01:07:12
Speaker
It sold for like $25,000.
01:07:13
Speaker
Okay.
01:07:13
Speaker
I guess it was really, what, like, why did it sell for that high?
01:07:18
Speaker
I never figured that out.
01:07:20
Speaker
It just, it was an Ellie and it was really, really nice.
01:07:23
Speaker
Like it was, it was like your pro, but an Ellie.
01:07:26
Speaker
Yeah.
01:07:27
Speaker
Okay.
01:07:27
Speaker
All right.
01:07:28
Speaker
Great.
01:07:28
Speaker
So it has Daft Punk multi-ball.
01:07:30
Speaker
That's 10 grand.
01:07:31
Speaker
Boom.
01:07:32
Speaker
Yeah.
01:07:32
Speaker
Boom.
01:07:33
Speaker
But how many Trons have sold for that much since then?
01:07:36
Speaker
No, exactly.
01:07:37
Speaker
No.
01:07:38
Speaker
Yeah.
01:07:39
Speaker
And so I think that's the problem is we tend to take the pinball market at its highest peak and lock it into that and say, well, how dare they sell for this much?
01:07:48
Speaker
Like I saw on Facebook the other day that this person posted on Pinball Enthusiasts.
01:07:53
Speaker
And they're like, I am quitting the hobby and I will come back when prices decide to finally go down.
01:07:58
Speaker
You people are price gouging and this is ridiculous.
01:08:01
Speaker
They've been saying that for years.
01:08:04
Speaker
Like I, I, ever since I've been in.
01:08:06
Speaker
Bye.
01:08:07
Speaker
What else?
01:08:07
Speaker
What else do you say?
01:08:08
Speaker
Like, okay.
01:08:09
Speaker
Like, so, oh no, you're holding out your money.
01:08:12
Speaker
Okay.
01:08:13
Speaker
Good luck.
01:08:15
Speaker
Yeah.
01:08:16
Speaker
And as long as there's the demand there, like Zach was talking about this on the pinball show last week or this week.
01:08:24
Speaker
It's like the problem is now is like people are jumping on waiting lists for games that haven't even been announced yet.
01:08:29
Speaker
Well, and I think that that's what's going on.
01:08:32
Speaker
People are still interested in that stuff.
01:08:35
Speaker
So, okay.
01:08:35
Speaker
So I just tried to look on Pinside and the highest you can put in is $50,000, just in case you're wondering.
01:08:42
Speaker
Oh, I was.
01:08:43
Speaker
And thank you.
01:08:44
Speaker
Yeah, there you go.
01:08:47
Speaker
So you're not allowed to sell over $50,000.
01:08:49
Speaker
So everyone out there listening right now.
01:08:50
Speaker
Exactly.
01:08:51
Speaker
Move it to eBay and take the ridiculous hit that eBay is going to hit you with to sell your pinball machine on there.
01:08:59
Speaker
I only heard what people buy from eBay anyway.
01:09:02
Speaker
Yeah.
01:09:04
Speaker
Okay, it's the Matrix.
01:09:05
Speaker
That's what it was.
01:09:06
Speaker
So it was like, you know, obviously this is a reskin, right?
01:09:10
Speaker
But it was $75,000 or best offered.
01:09:13
Speaker
They're like, is Keanu Reeves in the cabinet?
01:09:16
Speaker
Yeah.
01:09:19
Speaker
It's his future coffin.
01:09:20
Speaker
Right.
01:09:20
Speaker
Exactly.
01:09:20
Speaker
He gets to be buried in this.
01:09:22
Speaker
Yeah.
01:09:22
Speaker
So, yeah.
01:09:23
Speaker
So, there's someone.
01:09:24
Speaker
Okay.
01:09:24
Speaker
So, the top ones.
01:09:26
Speaker
Someone's trying to sell a Pirates of the Caribbean CE for 38,500.
01:09:29
Speaker
That's firm.
01:09:30
Speaker
How long has it been setting?
01:09:31
Speaker
When was it posted?
01:09:31
Speaker
41 days ago.
01:09:33
Speaker
Is it a repost?
01:09:34
Speaker
He's totally trying to rip us off.
01:09:36
Speaker
It's laser kid.
01:09:36
Speaker
Come on.
01:09:45
Speaker
uh the pirates of the le that's thirty thousand dollars there's a tron my alternate name dude i'm laser kid what i'm trying to rip people off i don't laser yeah uh tron le for 22 000 or best offered pirates of the caribbean city yeah these are all 37 39 days the adams family new old stock
01:10:10
Speaker
Feature, okay, this is from, I don't even know what country this is.
01:10:15
Speaker
Germany?
01:10:15
Speaker
$55,000 or best offer.
01:10:17
Speaker
Okay.
01:10:21
Speaker
Uh, okay.
01:10:21
Speaker
So basically that, that guy who left the market is not coming back.
01:10:25
Speaker
If these things are selling.
01:10:27
Speaker
Yeah.
01:10:28
Speaker
See, that's what I'm saying.
01:10:29
Speaker
Like that there's people hear one of these selling and they freak out and it's like, well, that's not what they're all selling for.
01:10:35
Speaker
Right.
01:10:36
Speaker
And if prices right raise, they're not raising by $3,000.
01:10:40
Speaker
It's like, you know, you can still like whitewater.
01:10:44
Speaker
You used to get it for six and now you can get it for like seven or, or, you know, something like that.
01:10:48
Speaker
Right.
01:10:48
Speaker
Yeah.
01:10:49
Speaker
So I just, I think really at this point, it's like, there's just not enough supply to meet the demand.
01:10:56
Speaker
That's the problem we're having.
01:10:57
Speaker
That's the biggest problem.
01:10:58
Speaker
Yeah.
01:10:59
Speaker
And they can't churn them out fast enough because of parts supplies and all that jazz.
01:11:05
Speaker
And like, I don't really want to get into it, but the whole COVID thing and, oh, I just, it's annoying.
01:11:13
Speaker
Like it really is.
01:11:13
Speaker
Like, do you think that five years ago,
01:11:18
Speaker
pinball people are setting like they're like oh these these games are gonna be worth this much money and you won't be able to get one anymore because they just there's gonna be waiting lines for sterns and it just yeah i think no one knew this was gonna happen do you think as people start spending money on travel do you think that they will start selling these games to fund other things
01:11:42
Speaker
I think so.
01:11:43
Speaker
Yeah, I think.
01:11:45
Speaker
I think honestly, we're at we're at a weird intersection.
01:11:49
Speaker
I think either the people that were stuck at home for covid have bought the pinball machine that they want.
01:11:55
Speaker
They might get the silver bullet itch and want more or they'll just be like, yeah, I'm glad we got one.
01:12:01
Speaker
Now we can get back to traveling the world or whatever it may be.
01:12:04
Speaker
Yeah.
01:12:05
Speaker
Well, okay.
Economic Pressures and Personal Plans
01:12:06
Speaker
So I, I actually booked, we made the mistake of telling our kids that we were thinking of going to Hawaii and they immediately said, yes, you're taking us.
01:12:16
Speaker
Right.
01:12:16
Speaker
So, so yes, we're taking our kids.
01:12:19
Speaker
So that was never the plan, but I guess it is now, right?
01:12:22
Speaker
It is now.
01:12:23
Speaker
Right.
01:12:23
Speaker
But okay.
01:12:24
Speaker
Okay.
01:12:24
Speaker
But speaking of supply and demand, what they want for rental cars is crazy right now.
01:12:32
Speaker
And like for eight days, like the price that we were quoted was 1200 bucks for a rental car.
01:12:38
Speaker
And so it's like, uh, okay.
01:12:40
Speaker
Like, um, what am I going to go to Hawaii?
01:12:43
Speaker
Look, I'm not going to come to Hawaii until you like lower your prices.
01:12:49
Speaker
Uh, yeah.
01:12:50
Speaker
So I, I, so I just looked at cars, uh, at the time that I booked them and guess what?
01:12:56
Speaker
Not available.
01:12:57
Speaker
They're all booked out.
01:12:59
Speaker
Yep.
01:13:00
Speaker
So we just live in a crazy
Industry Evolution and Innovation
01:13:02
Speaker
time.
01:13:02
Speaker
I think the problem is, is it's so hard to predict.
01:13:05
Speaker
Right.
01:13:05
Speaker
And that's exactly what you're saying is that all bets are off because we have never went through something like this.
01:13:11
Speaker
Yeah.
01:13:11
Speaker
Pinball's never been through anything like this ever.
01:13:15
Speaker
It's been around for a hundred years and granted because the market has shifted towards being a home market.
01:13:22
Speaker
It is like this now.
01:13:24
Speaker
Yeah.
01:13:24
Speaker
And, and granted they might not be selling the numbers that they were back in the early nineties, late eighties, but still it has never been this way.
01:13:35
Speaker
Okay.
01:13:36
Speaker
But the product has been significantly better.
01:13:39
Speaker
It really has.
01:13:40
Speaker
Even with all the challenges with new pinball machines, you cannot compare the complexity of Avengers Infinity Quest or Guns N' Roses or something like that to a Adam Sandley.
01:13:57
Speaker
You just can't do that.
01:13:58
Speaker
That's ridiculous.
01:14:00
Speaker
So I guess it begs one question.
01:14:02
Speaker
I know we're kind of getting out of time here.
01:14:04
Speaker
It begs one question that I've really thought about this last couple of days.
01:14:08
Speaker
What is the next thing that helps drive pinball to, to advance?
01:14:13
Speaker
Or are we at that point of you can't advance pinball any further than what it has?
01:14:19
Speaker
So like, if you really think about innovation over the last even 20 years has been what the LCD screen.
01:14:25
Speaker
Yeah.
01:14:27
Speaker
I mean, really at this point, it's more complex rules and better game design is what's driving the hobby.
01:14:36
Speaker
Was the pin bar really the future?
01:14:38
Speaker
Like, do you think that the pin bar could advance?
01:14:42
Speaker
Like, granted, let's say Deep Root sells it to someone else.
01:14:45
Speaker
Let's say the pin bar becomes a thing at American Pinball or CGC, for heaven's sakes.
01:14:51
Speaker
Do you really think advances the industry...
01:14:55
Speaker
into a whole new direction or do you think it's just a gimmick um what will take it to the next direction will definitely be um like internet challenges that is absolutely what it is it's the i this is totally at the end of the show but um absolutely if you're like hey um i want to challenge you to a game and there's a way that you can verify your setup
01:15:25
Speaker
Um, or at least have like, you know, it could be an honor system thing.
01:15:28
Speaker
Right.
01:15:30
Speaker
But there, there are definitely ways that you can do it and compete online or, or co-compete.
01:15:36
Speaker
Right.
01:15:37
Speaker
You could do a, a, Hey, uh, you and I are both going to attack Thanos or something like that.
01:15:45
Speaker
But that is definitely where the, uh, where it's going to be.
01:15:50
Speaker
Okay.
01:15:51
Speaker
Yeah, I agree with you.
01:15:52
Speaker
I think that's probably what pushes it next.
01:15:56
Speaker
And after listening to the Gary Stern interview that happened just this last week, it sounds like something huge is coming.
01:16:02
Speaker
They're claiming that they've got something that's going to reinvent the wheel, essentially, for pinball.
01:16:07
Speaker
And they've been working on this internet thing for a while now.
01:16:11
Speaker
Yeah.
01:16:12
Speaker
Yeah.
01:16:12
Speaker
Let's see what happens.
01:16:13
Speaker
So, you know, but I, it will, things like that will
Jersey Jack Pinball's Challenges
01:16:17
Speaker
happen.
01:16:17
Speaker
So yeah.
01:16:19
Speaker
Hey, good news.
01:16:19
Speaker
I can, I can rent a Lamborghini for 1400 a day.
01:16:23
Speaker
Where are you going to put your kids though?
01:16:29
Speaker
Who cares?
01:16:30
Speaker
They're staying home.
01:16:31
Speaker
It's a Lamborghini.
01:16:32
Speaker
It's a Lamborghini in the trunk.
01:16:34
Speaker
So I'm kidding.
01:16:36
Speaker
I know Lamborghinis don't have trunks.
01:16:37
Speaker
So, you know,
01:16:40
Speaker
You got to put the engine somewhere.
01:16:42
Speaker
Exactly.
01:16:42
Speaker
Is there anything else we want to cover?
01:16:46
Speaker
I mean, we're at the end of the show.
01:16:48
Speaker
No, we're kind of spitballing.
01:16:50
Speaker
This has been kind of a brainstorm show just because we are at a little bit of a lull, the summer lull.
01:16:57
Speaker
And I totally understand it.
01:16:59
Speaker
We...
01:17:01
Speaker
we already talked about Spooky has had their big push.
01:17:05
Speaker
And we talked about that last time, their big sellout.
01:17:09
Speaker
We're still, you know, JJP, there's not going to be much until they are able to catch up on all their Guns N' Roses stuff.
01:17:18
Speaker
So really...
01:17:21
Speaker
Sorry, that brings up one last question.
01:17:23
Speaker
Do you think that they've gotten a big enough black eye from the playfield issues that they've had and with the response that they've had?
01:17:29
Speaker
Do you think it hurts their business going forward?
01:17:31
Speaker
Or are we pretty much at the point of stuff's going to sell so long as it's themed properly?
01:17:37
Speaker
I actually think it has.
01:17:40
Speaker
Because high-end collectors who are willing to drop...
01:17:47
Speaker
$12,000 on a toy.
01:17:47
Speaker
I mean, come on, a pinball machine is a luxury item, right?
01:17:53
Speaker
You do not need a pinball machine, right?
01:17:55
Speaker
It is not one of the things that are necessary for life.
01:18:00
Speaker
But they expect a level of professionalism that you get a
01:18:08
Speaker
a game that doesn't need to have all these little issues.
01:18:12
Speaker
And yeah, I actually think they're going to have to do some, some catch up.
01:18:17
Speaker
Cause now the, the rumored next theme, right.
01:18:20
Speaker
Is toy story.
01:18:22
Speaker
Do you think toy story has the same drawing power as guns and roses?
01:18:27
Speaker
Because I don't.
01:18:28
Speaker
Possibly.
01:18:30
Speaker
I don't.
01:18:31
Speaker
I think it's a cute theme, but I think their issues with the play fields on Guns N' Roses are going to bleed into Toy Story.
01:18:42
Speaker
And people are going to be cautious.
01:18:44
Speaker
Now, people were cautious when the triple spinning disc on Pirates of the Caribbean.
01:18:49
Speaker
And so they sold less of them.
01:18:52
Speaker
And therefore they became more valuable, ironically.
01:18:55
Speaker
So it could ultimately help the resale market maybe.
01:18:59
Speaker
But I think that, you know, I get, I want every machine to succeed.
01:19:07
Speaker
Every machine and every company, I really do want them to succeed.
01:19:11
Speaker
It just seems that every time JJP releases a game, there's always something.
01:19:17
Speaker
And it's not a minor thing.
01:19:18
Speaker
It ends up being a major thing.
01:19:21
Speaker
So I think people are nervous.
01:19:23
Speaker
At least I, okay, I'm nervous.
01:19:25
Speaker
If I were buying a JJP, I'd be nervous.
01:19:28
Speaker
Same here.
01:19:29
Speaker
It's definitely made me hesitate.
01:19:31
Speaker
Yeah.
01:19:31
Speaker
I don't know if that's fair, but I don't think I'm an outlier on that.
01:19:36
Speaker
I agree.
01:19:37
Speaker
It definitely, uh, you definitely second thing you second guess in my opinion.
01:19:43
Speaker
Yeah.
01:19:44
Speaker
Uh, I could be wrong.
01:19:45
Speaker
Don't get me wrong.
01:19:46
Speaker
I love JJP games.
01:19:47
Speaker
I love, they are definitely an experience.
01:19:50
Speaker
They are, they are an experience compared to any other pinball machine.
01:19:54
Speaker
Yeah.
01:19:55
Speaker
But you would have, you have to take into account all this stuff, right?
01:20:00
Speaker
And so that's really what it comes down to, is that it's, you know, you eventually, if you're paying that much for a machine, you don't want to have issues.
01:20:09
Speaker
So now that being said, Pirates is a fun game.
01:20:14
Speaker
It's a fun game.
01:20:15
Speaker
And Guns N' Roses is an experience.
01:20:19
Speaker
So at least they have their secret sauce.
01:20:23
Speaker
They just need to fix the manufacturing secret sauce.
01:20:26
Speaker
That's really where their issues have been.
01:20:30
Speaker
I agree.
01:20:31
Speaker
So you fix that problem.
01:20:32
Speaker
I think it alleviates the other.
01:20:35
Speaker
I think they're still doing fine.
01:20:36
Speaker
I literally think they're still doing a great job.
01:20:39
Speaker
So it's not like they're still have a good trajectory.
Podcast Engagement and Upcoming Events
01:20:43
Speaker
Alrighty.
01:20:43
Speaker
Well, if you want to get ahold of us, we are loser kid pinball podcast at gmail.com.
01:20:47
Speaker
You can get ahold of us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter at loser kid pinball.
01:20:51
Speaker
We are also on Twitch now.
01:20:53
Speaker
Uh, when I do decide to stream, I will probably be streaming this next week.
01:20:58
Speaker
Uh, because, um, my wife and son are going to go to Yellowstone with my in-laws.
01:21:04
Speaker
And I get to stay home with the babies, so I'll be putting them down for bed and probably jumping on a pinball machine or two.
01:21:09
Speaker
So look it out for that.
01:21:12
Speaker
We'll definitely have the challenges.
01:21:13
Speaker
I'll probably even try to do the challenges myself since I own both Avengers Infinity Quest and World Cup Soccer.
01:21:19
Speaker
I think that might be fun to do on stream.
01:21:23
Speaker
We do have another batch of hats.
01:21:25
Speaker
There won't be a ton of them.
01:21:26
Speaker
I will be saving one for the giveaway.
01:21:28
Speaker
I'm trying to think what else.
01:21:30
Speaker
Okay, remind them what the giveaway is again.
01:21:33
Speaker
Oh, yes.
01:21:34
Speaker
So PinQuest.
01:21:35
Speaker
Download PinQuest for your phone.
01:21:37
Speaker
Android, Apple, whatever it may be.
01:21:40
Speaker
PinQuest.
01:21:41
Speaker
It's best if you go to the website, and they'll just redirect you right to where it needs to be.
01:21:45
Speaker
Download the app, make yourself an account.
01:21:48
Speaker
There's challenges monthly, and it's going to be called the guest host challenge, if I remember correctly.
01:21:55
Speaker
So click on the guest host, like the mystery guest host.
01:21:58
Speaker
It will be us, and then you accept the challenge.
01:22:03
Speaker
And if you beat the score we've set for Avengers and for World Cup,
01:22:09
Speaker
you will get an entry for each score you do.
01:22:12
Speaker
Not, sorry, not each score.
01:22:13
Speaker
For each time you've beat that.
01:22:15
Speaker
Crap, not like that.
01:22:18
Speaker
If you accomplish that high score on those two games, then you'll get two entries.
01:22:22
Speaker
If you only accomplish on one game, you'll get one entry.
01:22:24
Speaker
But you'll get a virtual trophy no matter what, if you do.
01:22:28
Speaker
All right, there we go.
01:22:29
Speaker
With our little logo on it.
01:22:33
Speaker
Is there anything else I could have swore?
01:22:37
Speaker
Maybe there's not.
01:22:39
Speaker
Problem is it's been a busy summer.
01:22:40
Speaker
Gosh, dang it.
01:22:42
Speaker
Yeah, no, it's in seriously, we, we try to record as, as often as we can, but I've taken like two, uh, two, one week vacations and they've been local, but trying to spend family time at the same time.
01:22:56
Speaker
And yeah, it's just challenging.
01:22:57
Speaker
So, but you know what the good news is we, Hey, we are willing to give you loser kid pod podcast content as soon as we can.
01:23:06
Speaker
Yep.
01:23:07
Speaker
And, and Glenn has a question for you, Scott.
01:23:10
Speaker
Okay.
01:23:11
Speaker
Check it out.
01:23:11
Speaker
We've given him a shout out already once today, or I'm going to give him one more.
01:23:14
Speaker
You ready for this?
01:23:15
Speaker
All right, go ahead.
01:23:16
Speaker
He wants, he wants to know how it's going to be, if it's going to be weird having your biggest fan as your expo roommate.
01:23:23
Speaker
Well, you're my ex-girlfriend, Josh, so you're my biggest fan.
01:23:28
Speaker
Are you going to start singing Edwin McCann?
01:23:30
Speaker
I'll be your crying shoulder.
01:23:37
Speaker
Actually, I will say, big shout-out to Glenn.
01:23:40
Speaker
Glenn did have a...
01:23:42
Speaker
room with our friend Lee and Lee actually got called to go back east so he is not like when I say back east I mean the far east he's going to Asia and so he asked us he's like hey why can you contact Glenn and see so we do have a place at the hotel which is great and so all three of us are going to kumbaya in there we haven't really figured out who's big spoon or little spoon or if we're going to spork it but I'm not really sure but we'll figure something out
01:24:11
Speaker
when Glen has insisted that we get the king size bed instead of the two queens.
01:24:15
Speaker
Oh, awkward.
01:24:16
Speaker
Okay.
01:24:17
Speaker
We're going to sleep like a triangle.
01:24:19
Speaker
Have you ever seen Without a Paddle?
01:24:23
Speaker
No.
01:24:26
Speaker
Watch Without a Paddle.
01:24:27
Speaker
I can't believe you've never seen that movie.
01:24:29
Speaker
Okay, is this something that my wife's going to raise her eyebrow at me?
01:24:33
Speaker
Like, what are you doing?
01:24:35
Speaker
It's PG-13.
01:24:36
Speaker
It's appropriate.
01:24:40
Speaker
I can't yell, put Jabba back in his hut, because you won't get the reference.
Potential New Themes and Humor
01:24:44
Speaker
Okay, all right.
01:24:45
Speaker
I'll have to figure that out.
01:24:49
Speaker
that'd be a great pinball theme.
01:24:50
Speaker
We should go without a paddle.
01:24:52
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
01:24:53
Speaker
A wreathing of whitewater, yeah.
01:24:56
Speaker
Yeah, it was a mediocre movie at best for popcorn fodder back in the 2000s.
01:25:01
Speaker
It's still good.
01:25:02
Speaker
It's just, if you're looking for something that you may or may not want to be on your phone with while you're watching it.
01:25:09
Speaker
Oh, it's got Seth Green.
01:25:10
Speaker
If you like Seth Green.
01:25:11
Speaker
Oh, there you go.
01:25:12
Speaker
So.
01:25:14
Speaker
All right, guys.
01:25:14
Speaker
We'll check out in about two weeks.
01:25:15
Speaker
Thanks again.
01:25:16
Speaker
All right, two weeks.