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Speaker: Okay, so today we're diving into something a little heavier than our usual caffeine-fueled chaos, because the internet has been on fire lately over the whole Sean Combs situation, and honestly… Yeah, we figured if we're going to spiral about it privately, we might as well spiral about it publicly.
Speaker: You know, for content. You're welcome. We're not here to play detectives or lawyers. We're not here to relitigate the details. What we want to talk about is the cultural moment, the ripple effects. The what does it mean when someone who shaped entire eras of music and culture is suddenly at the center of something like this.
Speaker: And also, how weird and uncomfortable it is when people you grew up watching, listening to, or idolizing end up in scandals. Like, how do you even process that? How do you hold the art and the artist separately?
Speaker: Or can you? We're unpacking parasocial relationships, celebrity power, accountability, why the internet reacts the way it does, and the emotional whiplash of watching a public figure's image collapse in real time.
Speaker: So grab your beverage of choice, emotional support coffee, diet Coke, or that one tea you bought during a hyperfixation phase, and let's get into it.
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Speaker: All right. So how did we even get here with Diddy? Should we call him Diddy or Puff Daddy or Sean Combs? I don't think I can ever call him Sean Combs because I've never once in my life referred to him as Sean Combs.
Speaker: You know, um it's funny that you say that because I remember there was this moment in like the early two thousand s where my friend Janae was like, oh, he's Diddy now because he decided – this is according to Janae, of course. This is not, like, proven or anything. But that he decided that Diddy was easier to chant at his concerts, you know?
Speaker: Diddy, Diddy. Okay. I can see that. um But I think, you know, when when I was watching that documentary, like, everyone – from like the moment he became an intern was calling him puffy which is weird well and that's how I knew him was oh that's puffy or puff you know like and interesting all right so let's let's just kind of give a broad view like bird's eye view of what's happening here in case someone has been off the internet for the last couple of weeks
Speaker: The whole trial regarding Puff or P. Debbie alleged that there were, well, there were multiple allegations from various people spanning years and years, I think some even like decades of abuse.
Speaker: And he had this trial going on. He was found... not guilty in the worst.
Speaker: You're talking specifically about the sexual assault charges, right? I was, yeah, he was found. Well, it was like Rico charges, like racketeering. Yeah.
Speaker: yeah What is that? Because I kept seeing that on the documentary and for anybody else who's listening to this, who doesn't know what that acronym stands for. What is that? Because I don't know.
Speaker: RICO charge is, uh, yeah, that is an acronym. It's racketeer influenced and corrupt organizations act. You usually see it with like mob style, like, you know, mob bosses.
Speaker: Yeah. Um, And let's see here. So they require a This says requiring proof of a pattern of racketeering activity, meaning at least two specified crimes like murder, extortion, fraud, drug trafficking. I'm assuming sex trafficking would also fall under that. Within 10 years, connected to an enterprise, gang, business, etc.
Speaker: Now, Diddy was the... co-founder of Bad Boy, the Bad Boy label. And that label in and of itself had a lot of drama associated with it. Things that like I learned for the first time watching the Netflix series.
Speaker: What I didn't know, mean, I was probably when Bad Boy was getting started out, it was what, like the mid Yes. yes Yeah, like 94, 95.
Speaker: And i was in junior high. And so I had kind of an idea of like the people that were associated with it. Like I listened to Tupac. I knew who Tupac was.
Speaker: um I knew who Biggie was. But I didn't realize how connected... the two of them were? Well, yeah. I didn't realize. Like, seriously. Like, I didn't... It was like when all of these bad things are happening...
Speaker: Puff is right there. Like he's in there somewhere. You just have to look for him. Oh, he had to have been here. Where was he? And look, lo and behold, he was there in some capacity. And after, you know, so many instances of that happening, you're like, okay, well, now we have a pattern emerging.
Speaker: And, you know, we're so good at pattern recognition. Yeah. Like, there you go Hello. um so yeah So he was brought up on charges.
Speaker: of RICO charges, on trafficking charges. What I found interesting was that he was never brought up on charges of domestic violence, which, I mean, you saw the documentary. Did it show...
Speaker: The hotel footage of like the hallway. Did you see that part? With Cassie? Yes. Yes. Okay. So I'm like, you have it on video.
Speaker: You have photos of her. And as a reminder, even though we're not giving legal advice, um You don't need, as a victim of domestic violence, you don't need to press charges for charges to be brought upon someone else for, you know, that kind of, you know, behavior attack or whatever.
Speaker: Yeah. Correct. I mean, when Eddie was working as a police officer, the DV calls were the scariest calls to go on. And... I think the kind of like the, not the norm, but like the pattern that emerges with a lot of domestic violence calls or just domestic violence in general is that the women kind of put up with it because they don't have a way to survive. There's no other support system in place. Right. The aggravator or whatever
Speaker: has um manipulated the situation to the point where that person is now the only source of anything in the other person's life.
Speaker: Yeah. And so what happens then is they're like, you know, these victims are like, oh, no, I don't want to press charges also. Like, you know, we we lived in the state of Cal – well, used to live there, but in California – I remember we had a time where people with major crimes um that they were arrested for were being, you know, bonded out. So like released on on bond or on bail.
Speaker: And what would happen is is these, you know, these aggressors would come back and beat the living crud out of them again.
Speaker: So they're like, no, no, we don't want, i don't want to press charges. Nothing. Okay. All of that to say, all that tangent to say, the police can say, no, no, we're booking this person. And I mean, sometimes it was the females too. I don't want to keep saying it was all guys.
Speaker: um Sometimes it was the female that was the aggressor. More often than not, that's not the case, but it still exists. And so the police then can go, no, we're going lock them up because they need to, you know, that's not, you know. Kosher.
Speaker: It's not kosher. Yeah. He beat the living crud out of you. And, you know, yeah bodily harm has been done. Like, let's, no. So that's what surprised me is like we couldn't at least get him on that.
Speaker: Him meaning, you know, Puffy. Right, right. why Why was that not? So I don't understand. I also found that really interesting because even as early as like Tupac and Biggie, those, I mean, there were so many witnesses there was that entire group of Crips that he said were putting a hit out on Tupac and what was his face?
Speaker: Shug. Shug, thank you. Yeah. um Like, and I'll give you a million dollars for it. And nobody said anything. And what, because of some schoolyard, like, I'm not a snitch.
Speaker: That's crazy to me. As far back as that, there's so many instances where he did some like, questionable things, and totally illegal criminal acts that everyone was aware of.
Speaker: And instead of actually like tattling on him, that's essentially what they were like. That's how, that's what it seemed like anyway, is that these people didn't want to tattle on him. yeah um i know that there was probably fear like of retribution or whatever.
Speaker: Right. But if he's in jail, what, I mean, what are you afraid of? Well, but there have been multiple instances, especially with like mob bosses where they can order hits from jail and like things get taken care of. It's like, it's just like business as usual in a different environment.
Speaker: Yeah. ah You know,
Speaker: make a deal then with um the police or whatever and say, listen, I'm anonymous. I can't, you know, do something, but this is definitely happening. And then some people did come forward and he would be in hot water for like a second.
Speaker: Like for instance, um, When that pastor or minister, whoever was like, oh, no, you shouldn't be putting out this music video where you're essentially like comparing yourself to Jesus Christ. You're crucifying yourself. helping yourself Yeah. And ah so he goes, oh, no, we got take it down. We got to take it down.
Speaker: And then I guess the producer, whoever, I forget who it was, was like, no, I'm not doing that. Mm-hmm. And so, like, what?
Speaker: He, like, gets into an altercation and then, and then, oh, but it's fine because, like, we settled it out of court. Well, yeah. Well, I mean, he beat the crud out of the producer. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. I would not have been like, I'm, but you know what, though? I'm so petty that I wouldn't, I would have been like, I don't care how much money you have. you're going down for this. like I will actually crucify you.
Speaker: yeah but the cow Well, let's talk about just for a second, because we were talking about it, or you had mentioned it a little bit earlier about why Shug or whomever wouldn't kind of snitch.
Speaker: And so we we have to talk a little bit about- Yeah, he literally said like, they were like, oh, if you saw you know who shot Tupac, would you tell the police? And he was like, absolutely not. Yeah. That blew my mind. Okay, well, but these are people operating under gang rules.
Speaker: right? Like that is their or gang code, if you will. Like, sure. There was, you know, a code of chivalry for, for knights back in the day, back in the medieval times. And now it's the gang code. And I mean, paramount to, to said code is loyalty and respect and reputation.
Speaker: And so I guess when you, when you snitch your, you know, your reputation takes a hit, right? Like, so I don't know. Is untrustworthy? Like, if you shot me and then the police were like, who shot you? And I said, ain't no snitch.
Speaker: Well, yeah, because like gang code, they'd be like, what's his We have our own business. Well, what's his face's character from, um what is it? The...
Speaker: Oh my gosh. Ken Jeong's character, like, but did you die? that from The Hangover? Yeah, The Hangover. He's like, yeah, yeah you got shot, but did you die? No. so like, you were, you're, God, like your position is elevated. Like if you survive that violence and you know, you're youre like, oh no, don't mess with Suge.
Speaker: and Yeah. He got shot in the head and he lived. I mean, got a big old head, so that's fine. Jeez. okay Have you seen, tangent, have you seen that um there was a video talking about, it was a ah you know, a very overweight person who got shot, like, i think it was like a ricochet shot. So I don't believe it was um it wasn't straight on i like it it ricocheted off something else and entered her body but the layers of fat like protected her?
Speaker: it yeah it protected her but it didn't even like pierce any um the bullet didn't pierce any vital organs yeah because it like of every layer of fat it like slowed it down like that much more like so wow how overweight was she?
Speaker: I don't know. I just, you know, it's one of those random things. You can look it up. Google it. Okay. This feels like a Mythbusters kind of thing.
Speaker: You're right. It does. Okay. Well, now I'm going to have to Google it. So, like... Nah, don't worry about it. Hold on. You can... on you can Like I literally have to. i literally have to. I have to. My brain says, no, no I need to like close that circuit.
Speaker: Okay. Several documented cases like one, Samantha Frazier in Atlantic City, where a woman's body fat, specifically her love handles, absorbed the energy from a gunshot, slowing the bullet and preventing it from reaching vital organs.
Speaker: Okay, I basically said that. Look at that. I'm so impressed with myself. um I didn't know it was the love handles, but I knew it was. It's funny that they called it the love handles. It wasn't air quotes. like but um Her fat acted like a cushion, dissipating the bullet's force, though she still sustained a painful wound. Highlighting.
Speaker: how body composition can surprisingly alter the outcome of such incidents um okay so that was seman fraer died yeah that was and there is a quote procrastination and a few extra pounds saved my life oh my god
Speaker: Oh, bless her. Taking it back to Suge, do you think he had such a fat head? Have you seen Suge? have. I have. But his head doesn't look particularly like fatty. Hold on. and Now I have to look at his head wound because they didn't get into like specifics. That's true. That's true. They did say they did say something like um it was like a superficial wounds or something. It was probably a graze. Yeah. um So let's see.
Speaker: and Okay, so yeah, he sustained a minor head wound. um Oh, such as a bullet fragment or shrapnel. Says he was grazed on the head. What terrible position to be in. You're sitting next to somebody who just got shot and is dead, and now they're just bleeding out next to you. then parts of them are missing. Yeah.
Speaker: parts of them are missing Well, this is interesting, though. So it says while it was initially described as a minor head wound, some reports and even Shug himself later suggested that a fragment of a bullet remained embedded in his head for years.
Speaker: And in 2015, like several years later, ah and reports indicated that doctors wanted to perform an MRI to understand why he was passing out during court hearings, but he refused surgery to remove the alleged bullet fragment, believing he would die if they attempted to remove it.
Speaker: Or maybe they could trace the bullet back to the actual person. I wonder how much they could if it was just a fragment. Well, and also I guess they had they had Tupac.
Speaker: they have Yeah, they would they had his body. Makes sense. Yeah. Hmm. All right. well we're not We're not detectives. Not at all. We just play one on TV. We play one on TV.
Speaker: All right. So where were we with? Okay. um So Tupac ends up dying. And i remember that because i was old enough to kind of, i knew the musician.
Speaker: i knew him as the the actor. i mean, and we can also go into like, was that actually Tupac or was that like a stage persona?
Speaker: Because have you seen those videos of how he was? Well, he went to a performing arts high school. And he reminded me of Lando Norris.
Speaker: Just saying. Hold on. Tupac high school interview. Okay, so look at that. first First thing on on YouTube.
Speaker: let's Let me key it up here. Okay.
Speaker: okay my name is tupac shakur and I attend Tampa Bay High School and I'm 17 years old. Okay. Do you like being 17? It's like 17 is such a weird age. It's such an in the middle age. You're not 18 yet and you're older than 16.
Speaker: But like it. It's nice. It's like a learning stage for me. Do you wish you could be 18 and would you get some more rights? Well, 18 will bring lots of responsibilities that I don't want. but it'll bring respect that I feel like that's the only way I can get it. you know I try to be as mature as I can be and demand it wherever I can get it. But 18 is like you're an adult. Like today when I had to sign the release form, I felt so bad because I couldn't sign it myself. had to go and get my mother's and all that. But 18 is...
Speaker: It's just society's way of saying that you're ready. When you get out there, the responsibility is staggering. And I'm ready. I'm going to be a little more ready than someone who's grown up um in Disney World, you know, with Santa Claus is coming. You know, my mother had a really bad childhood, and my father had a bad childhood, and I had a bad childhood. But I love my childhood. Even though it was bad, i love it. I feel like it's taught me so much.
Speaker: And I feel like nothing phase me. You know, nothing in this world, nothing can surprise me. It might set me back, but only momentarily, only to spring back.
Speaker: But don't get the wrong idea. I feel like I'm being gloomy. i dont i don't mean just be like, That is bad out there. But I mean, when a good thing is coming, they are going to come and everybody knows that good things are going to come and going to see them for yourself. going to see anything good, but it's harder to see the bad things and everybody wants to shield the bad things. And that's where it gets complicated and it gets real rotten. 17, he was more effeminate.
Speaker: He was more like just soft spoken, this. He does look, I mean, he's acting like he's not, so he's acting much older. well But he's also like, Even his like gestures, that's what I'm saying. Like it is not the same Tupac that is on music videos later on rapping about other things. And you're like, wait. even even Diddy was like that though at 17. They were showing him, they were saying he was kind of a nerd. He was kind of like, you know, he was not this like hard gangster person. You know? Right.
Speaker: Well, and I think... Yeah, it was like a learned behavior. Well, and I think the the documentary, I think he... I think he had more influence. Like, it was less gangster, more, like, pimp.
Speaker: Like, you know, like, that that's what I was getting out of it. Like, the fur coats, the... You know, I'm thinking of... Oh, well, his mom would also dress him in those things. I was just thinking of like Ike Turner. I don't know why. Like, yeah, I was also thinking we had we had kind of said this in like the first episode that we did. But um Joe Jackson. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. Mm hmm. The same sort of like, yeah, man. Hmm. So anyway, so just the whole like, that was the interesting thing of of was he this way or was he that way? And was it all for show? Was this all, you know, I don't know. was interesting.
Speaker: It's really sad about Tupac. He was so talented and he was like super cute and just like, I mean, I know that the way that like The way that they portray everyone else in the documentary is like,
Speaker: Yeah, they were, you know, quote unquote gangster, but like not not as bad as Diddy because Diddy was just like this narcissistic, um I get what I want no matter what. Well, he needed to be in control. Yeah, that was, i think that was his thing is he wanted the control of it all. Right. Now, what I found interesting about the documentary that I did not know or realize before, um you know, growing up,
Speaker: On the West Coast, we, you know, we were like, okay, no, we're West Side. West Side for life. And i thought there was just beef between, you know, the East Coast, West Coast.
Speaker: And it was just there. And in this documentary, I'm learning that Biggie and Pac were like close and they had no beef whatsoever.
Speaker: and then I feel like it feels like a novel. Well, yeah, like these two friends and then there's this other third friend who feels left out and petty. And, you know, i want to be the center of attention. so I'm going to get in the middle of it. Right.
Speaker: And break them up and cause a big thing. Yeah. And it's never going to be my fault. You know, right it's always going to be pointing fingers fingers at the other person. Yeah. it's ah It's really sad, actually. I felt, you you know, honestly, watching the documentary felt really bad for Tupac and for Biggie. Biggie especially. Like, he was just like, dude, I just want to make music. I just want to be a rapper. Well, I felt so bad when he was talking about how terrified he was that he felt like, you know, he had, you know, there was a hit on him and he was like, get me out of here. And he had, he had the literal plane tickets to get out. And
Speaker: Yeah. And Diddy was like, Yeah. yeah No, I got to make a, I got to make, i I got to send a message. We're go to have this party and you have to be there. and then And then, then Biggie died and he was like, oh we're going this, the biggest funeral ever.
Speaker: And then being like, oh, but don't tell anyone, but Biggie's actually pay's going to pay for it. all because I don't want to pay for all that. Yeah. It's essentially like the same kind of processional you would see for like the Queen of England. Well, and can we talk about all of the, have you seen the videos that people have made where it's like, my best friend just died, but I got to go to Costco. And they're like guys dressed in white and he's, you know, doing the Diddy dance like for Costco aisles.
Speaker: No, i have not seen that. Oh my gosh. It's so funny. Anyway. All right. So let's see here. um There was Tupac.
Speaker: There was Biggie. There was that one, is it like a basketball game? think I fell asleep. Right. The celeb like celebrity basketball game. That was like the first time that he was connected, connected to something like that. Yeah. And i think it scared him. They made it seem like he was scared because that was probably the first time anybody had actually died around him.
Speaker: And something that he was involved in that that he I think what scared him is that it could get kind of traced back to him being liable. That's what I mean. yeah That's what I mean. But that whole the whole thing that they put together where there was too many people and he was like he had over um promoted the whole thing. Right.
Speaker: who there was no one else involved with like setting that up well and you know what we there was there was no melanie there to be like wait a second no no no like we have people at the doors like i get ah check tickets like well but i guess they were saying that back then you would bull rush the doors like if you didn't have oh if you didn't have a ticket and you wanted to be there you get there early and bull rush the doors and they can't you know what they're gonna do yeah but but we didn't even talk about we didn't even talk about the fact that We totally, I skipped over, not on purpose, but Pac at the studios getting shot by the guy who was like, you know, the guys that were mugging him, but like didn't take his very expensive watch. He got mugged, but like nothing was taken. yeah
Speaker: Just got shot five times or whatever it was. And then he was like, okay, just got shot. and then And then later, years later. years later, the guy that they brought in. Yeah. Yes.
Speaker: And wait, is the guy that was with Puff, was that his son? yes Justin or whatever. I was thinking the same thing because I think that's his his ah first son with. The oldest. Yeah.
Speaker: What's her name? Misha or something? what I don't remember. What was the girl's name? Mila or something like that? His first girlfriend? Or like she was never his wife, but they had a baby together. i mean, yeah.
Speaker: And that was Justin, I think. Okay. Well, Justin's, you know, following in dad's footsteps. Yeah. I mean, in that documentary, they show footage.
Speaker: It was gross. the footage of him in the hotel and everything like a couple days before he gets arrested and his son, Justin's there just kind of acting like this is completely normal. Like, Oh, dad's going to get out. Like, whatever.
Speaker: It's going to be fine. ah Okay. No one's worried. All right. So we have police across the street. No one's worried. So at this point we have Tupac getting shot in the studio.
Speaker: We have the thing where like the nine people got, killed at the did they get shot or were they like stampede what happened i don't at the basketball game they were crushed to death in a stampede so they were trying to bull rush the doors with the way that the whole state um center was set up there were like it was a two-story thing and the doors only opened one way so by the time they had gotten to this one area The people who were already at the doors were crushed by the other people that were trying to get in. The doors wouldn't open as far as I understand. Okay.
Speaker: Well. And nine people died. Yeah. And then there was a whole separate thing with the club where that lady got shot in the face. That's when he was dating J-Lo. Right. And so I kind of remember that because I remember the green dress that she was wearing. It was an iconic dress.
Speaker: i I actually wrote notes down about that. Let's see. Okay. That was what, 99, think? That was in 99. What I thought was interesting about that, it's like another instance where he like he was completely connected. Yeah.
Speaker: And they got so close to putting him behind bars, and then he just magically gets let off. So like at first he was saying, i i've i don't own a gun. I've never owned a gun. Well, because he was a felon at that point, right? Yeah.
Speaker: Right. So, I mean, you're not legally allowed to own a firearm, but. Okay. now But like, okay. Lying right off the bat. Then that woman comes forward. Allegedly. Allegedly. That no-nose woman comes forward and she's got that bandage on her face. She's like, and she's an eyewitness. She's like, I saw Diddy pull out a gun.
Speaker: And shoot. Me in the face. And he shot me. Like, it was him. i was there, right in front of his face. Oh, my. And he keeps going, I didn't do it. i didn't do it. These are all lies. And then, all of a sudden, the lawyers are like, they're conceding, okay, well, he did fire a gun, but only in self-defense. Oh, my.
Speaker: And then that other guy, Shine, who was there, he was like had a beef with. and He had shot a gun at Diddy. It was like at the club. It was like, oh, that's what gangsters do we shoot around a bunch of innocent people who are dancing? i thought he was with Diddy, though. didn' they I thought they went in together.
Speaker: They were having beef over something. thought they were having beef with someone else in the club. And Shine took rap for it. Oh, maybe. That's right. Yeah. Because Shine took the fall.
Speaker: Yeah. It's so, it's like, and then it made me, it got me thinking like, are we better, we're probably better off now with all these like social justice warriors. Because but back then people were just kind of like, yeah.
Speaker: shut up. I wasn't there. I didn't see anything. I'm going to say anything, you know? And now it's like, people are like no justice for shine.
Speaker: I wonder though, because in when you look at celebrity trials, I still feel like they get off easier. Like,
Speaker: let's take, I mean, not on the same level of stardom as as he did, but Alec Baldwin in the the Rust case.
Speaker: and He was trying to bring in his own camera crew. It was his negligent discharge that that caused the death of the cinematographer in that movie. And he gets let off.
Speaker: and um Yeah, that was crazy. I mean, listen. There was like some like shenanigans going on with how it was done, but it's like so in that case, it wasn't like a jury, you know, it was It was the the prosecution who who bungled that, and then the judge, you know, just declared a mistrial with prejudice. But I just feel like there are so many instances of... I mean, okay, let's go back, you know, around the same time as as Tupac, like the O.J. Simpson.
Speaker: i was thinking that, too. mean... i mean I think I can say this because he was found by a jury of his peers to be liable civilly for ah Nicole Brown and what was her companion's name?
Speaker: bold alderman Goldman. don Oh, I don't remember. The guy. guy. Yeah. I don't remember his name. Okay. So are we like, he totally killed him. I mean, he wrote a book. If I did it, this is how I would do it.
Speaker: Yeah. I mean, come on.
Speaker: But double jeopardy. Right. Well, I mean, yeah, and I can't try him for it again. But like, it's just one of those things where it's like. How much of the jury is like, oh, but it's, you know, it's tough or oh, but it's, you know, the juice. It's OJ.
Speaker: He couldn't do that. they you know And it's like they don't have celebrities aren't put on the same kind of you know standard ground as everyone else. They're just you know elevated to this position of authority or power or untouchableness. And I think that that was one thing that Puff definitely was like, oh, yeah, I'm untouchable because I keep getting away with things.
Speaker: Right. People love. at one point At one point, somebody was like, he was like on God level. You know, he was comparing himself to Jesus Christ.
Speaker: Right. He literally said, like, the only person I can compare myself to is the son of God. So this is where my kind of, like, if we're moving forward from, like, that point in time, like, after well, even around, like, the J-Lo era, I wasn't really following you know, wasn't really listening to any of his music um or even really watching MTV, but he had a lot of shows on MTV. I think you said you watched some of those. Well, I don't know about any of the other shows that he had, but I do remember making the band. That was probably senior year of high school for me.
Speaker: Okay. Like around 2006, 2007. Mm-hmm. two thousand six two thousand seven And i don't remember the other bands, but I do remember Aubrey. The Danity.
Speaker: From Danity Kane, yeah. I don't remember anyone else from Danity Kane, but I do remember her. There's one song I remember from them, but that's it. I don't think it really went very far. Danity Kane, I think, only kind of lasted within the sphere of um the actual show, but I don't think that they – They had like one album or something that went platinum because of the show, but they didn't last very long. And like in the documentary, he says, or they say like, yeah, like Aubrey got fired essentially. Right.
Speaker: And that's what he tended to do. He tended to just get rid of people when they no longer served purpose for him. When they didn't bend the knee, I feel like. He was like. Well, that too, but also he had like this grand plan for his life.
Speaker: And the people in his life were only there to serve as stepping stones for him. and so they were saying, well, he wanted to take Dawn, who was another girl in Danity Kane, and create his own like trio and he couldn't do that with um with aubrey in danity kane because aubrey was kind of like the um the star of that group and so he fired her and the group dissolved and then he could take dawn okay but i wonder i know there was also like sexual things that you know out whatever but
Speaker: I was going to say, I wonder how much of that was like chicken egg, like which came first. was Did his idea for this new direction come spontaneously like before all the other allegations happened between him and Anne Aubrey?
Speaker: And so... you know, or did it happen? you know or Or was it like she was not playing along and he was like, okay, well, fine then. I don't need you anyway. And I'm going to do my own thing and cut you out. Because I feel like that was more the style of of how he did things. Just like, oh, so you're not going to, like i was saying earlier, you're not going to bend the knee. You're not going to appease me or do what I want. Because feel like his whole thing is like power trip, power trip, power trip.
Speaker: And if you're denying that person the power that they are trying to hold over you, then they'll just be like, okay, well, I'm going to make a life miserable for you and move on, like, and leave you out of it. And I don't know.
Speaker: and That was, that was my thought on that. And just in terms of the timing seemed a little sus to me where i was like, I don't know.
Speaker: don't know. But let's talk about, How weird it feels to watch someone you grow or you grew up with fall from their shiny pedestal like a celebrity.
Speaker: And do you have any other um examples besides, you know, like this one here? I think I never really liked Diddy. Mm-hmm.
Speaker: i don't I think it's kind of nice seeing him fall from his pedestal because he was such a he was so insufferable for so long. Okay, but let's talk about other other celebrities just as a tangent here like that have, like I said, fallen from grace. Like, for example, Danny Masterson from that 70s show.
Speaker: Convicted of rape and sentenced to 30 years to life in prison. like I mean, I don't really, I, it doesn't really, guess maybe the closest thing is probably Brittany for me. But did Brittany fall from grace or did she just have a mental like break? That's probably meant to be. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: That to me is sadder. Well, a hundred percent and because I feel like she has no control over it. Like, That girl's got some issues. Same thing with like Amanda Bynes. Oh, Who also had a conservatorship. And now she is just effing crazy. mean, the face tattoos. I'm like, stop. and i it's I feel like it's very much a self-preservation thing. Like she was, I'm pretty sure, like sexually
Speaker: molested or whatever by the producer of the Amanda show. Yeah. Yeah. Just a really sad, really sad. Yeah. a Gross story. That she was like at the height of her thing.
Speaker: She was like on top of the world. She was so funny. She was like making movies that did really, really well. The She's the Man movie. To this day, funny movie. Like I'd watch it. it's It's got some questionable PC, you know, things in it. but But that was just the era, you know.
Speaker: Okay, do you remember, you might be too young, I don't know. do you remember the Olympian? He was a para-Olympian, Oscar Pistorius. Not to be confused with Oscar Piastri, Formula One racer. We'll get into Formula One before we end the show.
Speaker: Okay, so he was an international inspiration to people with disabilities. And then, like, in the blink of an eye, he was a murderer. He totally killed his girlfriend or wife. I forget. Like, either she was a photographer or I don't know. There was something.
Speaker: Is she going on? But he was one of those... um He was a track person, but, like, he had the running blades. And so his defense was like, oh, how could he murder her? Like, he...
Speaker: you know, didn't have his legs on and couldn't do anything. And it was like self-defense and he thought she was an intruder. It was like that kind of a story. um or what about Matt Lauer? Have you heard from like him in a hot minute?
Speaker: He was all over NBC, like the Today Show, hosting the Olympics. And then, you know, he's a pervert kind of abusive...
Speaker: like verbal abusive, sexually harassing staffers, like type of thing. And he just vanished. He's gone. Oh, Allison Mack. Who was Allison? Okay. I saw that earlier. And I was like, who's that? So Allison Mack was in small world or smallville. Sorry. Small world, smallville.
Speaker: And she was, um, she was also, she like co-run, it's like the sex co-ran that sex cult. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Where they would like brand people. Yes. we've way off the deep end but like now i'm like oh jared fogel the subway guy yeah holding that foot long oh my gosh
Speaker: well even okay less less like sexual deviant likeness but like even ellen degenerate like oh nicest person ever and then oh wait and then you find out she's actually like a terrible person yes oh my gosh oh lindsey lohan that's a good that's a good one but because i actually know that person
Speaker: A staple in my life when I was a kid. We have the parent trap. And that's it. Oh, Freaky Friday. and I feel like with hers, I mean, it talks about like her struggles with addiction and legal issues, but like it wasn't like, I don't feel like she did anything that was like, oh my gosh, you know, worthy.
Speaker: i mean, what actor, i mean, i' Eddie and I are currently watching the um what's his name charlie sheen documentaries i mean talk about how bad life choices winning
Speaker: he was not in fact winning oh man mc hammer he's a war Who's Armie Hammer? Oh, that's a good one. Okay. So he was an actor. He actually went to la Baptist with Eddie's younger brothers.
Speaker: who He was like in their grade level or he was like, I don't know. He went there at the same time they did. They may not be the exact same grade level, but it was a small school. So they knew of him. Anyway, he was like,
Speaker: 50 shades of graying things up in his house. But like people were like not into it though. This is here that he couldn't hide his cannibalistic side. Oh, i think he talked about like eating people.
Speaker: I mean, obviously cannibalistic.
Speaker: What could this word mean? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So it says, Army Hammer has directly addressed the allegations of abuse and rape against him for the first time in a new interview.
Speaker: So back in early 2021, I mean, listen, 2020 changed everything. um Anonymous messages were leaked that purportedly showed graphic and violent DMs from Hammer, his ex, Courtney. I'm not even going to try to pronounce her last name.
Speaker: And she told, agency or tabloids about his scary behavior. He did some things with me that I wasn't comfortable with, she recalled.
Speaker: For God knows what reason, he convicted he convinced me sorry that these things were okay and he put me in some dangerous situations where I was not okay.
Speaker: where he was heavily drinking and I wasn't drinking that way and it scared me. I didn't feel comfortable. So several of his exes kind of have like came forward with disturbing accounts.
Speaker: um One of them says he carved an A into her and said his actions are and his behavior are dangerous and emotionally and psychologically damaging.
Speaker: He is saying people are kink shaming him and should not comment on his sex life, but BDSM is a smokescreen for him wanting to hurt women. so Yeah, it's only a kink if the other person actually likes it.
Speaker: like You can't just like do it and be like, well, it's my kink. You can't kink shame me while the women are sitting over there being branded and cut up. Ew.
Speaker: If they don't like it, it's not a kink for them, you know? Like, you can't just do it because it's your kink and be like, oh it's fine. perfect So he's just... And he's got, like, kids, by the way.
Speaker: So he's a weirdo. Yeah. Okay, we need to get back on topic. We went... Woo-hoo! We went far. So these people who...
Speaker: Yeah. Do we have, are we getting to like the point after like the Me Too movement of yesteryear where celebrities don't have necessarily like the same, like what have some of Puff's earlier um court cases? Do you think that he, you know, got off scot-free?
Speaker: Do you think had those happened post- you know, me Too, where people were a little bit more jaded by, like, celebrity, I want to say.
Speaker: You know, Would he have gotten off I think not only that, though. I think because with social media, the social media aspect of today, you can't get away with things as as much as you could before. Because back in the 90s, it was kind of like a select group of people that kind of knew what was going on.
Speaker: and then and then what everyone else in like the world saw was what he wanted them to see. he kind of orchestrated this whole thing. yeah But today, it's like someone whips out their phone And all of a sudden it's all over, you know, Twitter. Yeah. He can't produce that. It's, you know, out of your yeah it's completely out of his control. And because of that, I think there's no way the world will let him get away with it.
Speaker: Regardless of me too, but also because of it. So you haven't, you only got through episode three from the four episode series. Um,
Speaker: Have you seen... like you have not gone into like how things ended. I mean, I know Biddy Sent does a good job. He does a good job posting every like beginning of the episode and at the end of like how many you know how many counts he was... you know or whatever. like Or what he was sentenced to or whatever. dozens of allegations. Yeah. um and But you did not hear...
Speaker: from the jurors yet? Not yet. Okay. Well, spoiler alert. Like I said, you know, i mean, but it's in every, since like episode one, like he does not get busted for the most outrageous ones. I think he only got sentenced for like, was it, what's the word? Um,
Speaker: the transportation of like sex worker, like across state lines or something like that. So it was the like the, the lowest possible charge they got them for, but that was it.
Speaker: And they, his old like personal assistant, Talked about... Yeah, her name's like... Capricorn. Capricorn.
Speaker: What's her last name? Like Capricorn? I forget. Carnation or something? Yeah. So yeah she tells a story of how she's protecting Cassie. Because Cassie is now seeing some other rapper on the side. And she's like, yo, now you done got me involved in this because...
Speaker: I'm here and or you're asking me like on text messages, like if this side guy can come on a hike with us, I can't, you can't be, me you can't be messaging me this. She's like, you can't, he can have side girls.
Speaker: You can't have a side guy. Like that's not, those are the unspoken rules. Right. And when, Puff finds out he goes crazy, takes her, what she says, you know, what she claims by gunpoint.
Speaker: Who? Capricorn? To go over to the guy's house that's messing with Cassie. And when I say messing with, like, consensually messing with with Cassie.
Speaker: Sure. And... Cassie and he are not there, thankfully, at his house. But, you know, but this Capricorn is, like, going on the stand. And these jurors are like, this is so unbelievable.
Speaker: What does she mean she's being kidnapped? Like, they were, like, not buying it at all. And I was like, oh, that's interesting because I'm watching this going I'm, you know, totally plausible. Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, it was a federal case, so they could not, um, they could not televise it. So ah who knows what was allowed to come in, in terms of like the information, versus like what was, you know, nope. Can't bring that in. Can't bring that in.
Speaker: So I don't know what you're saying with the, are you saying that the jury was kind of, um, thinking, well, she's just trying to, make it more than it it was. They thought it was, they, they couldn't believe that situation occurred.
Speaker: But then again, yeah, because the whole thing is pretty ridiculous and unbelievable. Right. And they also said they couldn't believe Cassie, which in terms of like her feeling stuck there and being worried for her, you know, own life or whatever.
Speaker: but they're like, well, why don't just leave then? And I'm like, wow. She 19. She was 19 when he started like pursuing her. She was groomed, yeah. so but at the same time, like,
Speaker: This is kind of, okay, I mean, this could get into a whole, like, other tangent of, like, our legal system and how it disproportionately affects women and...
Speaker: what do you mean she wasn't afraid? And they're like, nope, she just seemed like she was into it and they were in love and da-da-da-da. this was how they showed each other love I mean, that commercial where she's he's essentially, like, having sex with her.
Speaker: She's naked. Oh, yeah. And like it's on, like... And he's kind of, like... And they're showing how they're kind of, like, play fighting or whatever. Andy Cohen was like, you see a lot of her. lot. A lot.
Speaker: I'll be thinking about Cassie later. my God. Like she had to be an actress though, because if she, if she told people what it was really like, he would have killed her.
Speaker: And I think that's what her thought was. I mean, and if you're especially going back and looking at all of these previous, examples of people who were close to him and crossed him and then wound up dead.
Speaker: yeah I would be afraid too. He walked on those charges because they could not bull believe. crazy Yeah. If people who have shared traumatic histories, like how this kind of stuff or like did he walking how it impacts them more so than someone who's never had any sort of you know, trauma in their life that they could connect to.
Speaker: you feel like it's like a triggering event for, for some people who are like, well, yeah, you know, like, like i was saying, like for women go, well, just another example of not being, you know, trusted or, you know, I mean the whole me too movement was kind of built around this kind of thing. Like,
Speaker: no one will listen to me or what I'm going to say. So I'm just let this abuse continue to happen until someone finally was like, no I'm not going to allow that to happen anymore. A lot of the information that I have about this is from TikTok.
Speaker: Okay. and And it's like funny things where 50 Cent is like like learning that he did an interview on ABC or something like that because he knew it was one of the only stations that like would air in prison. And can we just talk about how i feel like 50 Cent is my spirit animal and how I immediately, I saw that meme and I was like, this guy has to be a Cancer. And I know my kids are like, ma'am, you're talking too much about astrology.
Speaker: i'm Again, kids, I'm not looking at my horoscope. I don't have it ruling over me. i just feel like there are certain... characteristics that people born personality tricks and that people born around that time kind of like tend to share and it's fine.
Speaker: There's also scientific tangent. There's also a scientific thing that talks about how people born in the summer are usually um they have better um it pitch or like they can hear sounds clearer than people born like in the winter and it has to do with like being in utero and the birds that are out at that time and, like, the different... Like, there's, like, a scientific explanation behind it. That's really interesting. I've never heard that before. I just heard about it the other day and I'm like, see?
Speaker: i mean, this is basically... The same thing is that I'm looking at like astrology wise, no air quotes, astrology wise. I'm like, it's just like sure how my husband is a Virgo and definitely, definitely has a right way to do everything. And any other way is the wrong way. Like that's, that's him. who And I think once I said that they were like, okay, yeah. So you might have a point about that, but, um but I had to look up, so back to,
Speaker: but back to 50. So I'm like, I'm watching this unfold. I'm seeing this level of petty that I could only aspire to. Like, I don't know, maybe once I'm in my fifties and I'm like, this man has to be a water sign, probably a cancer. Cause I'm like, I am vibing with this.
Speaker: And I looked it up. His birthday is July 6th. So he is yes, a July cancer. You're welcome, world.
Speaker: And I was like, yes, I clocked it from the beginning. Cancer, because this is cancer vibes, cancer petty. Like we will hold this crap in until you don't think it's even an issue.
Speaker: And then look out. We come and we come with receipts. And we will destroy your life. With a smile on our face.
Speaker: oh my God. That was even, I think, I think his whole reaction to what he was able to create was even better than all the stuff happening to like Diddy. It's almost like, no, he didn't get the jail time, but this is even worse than jail time. Like this is- Because now everyone hates you. Yeah, because now you're finally getting taken down.
Speaker: yeah I didn't do it legally, we'll do it socially. Yeah. Oh, i love it. I'm so here for it. The energy is amazing. ah
Speaker: oh and he can't even retaliate because we'd know who it was right I mean if something mysterious like a 50 cent ends up shot like can we look at say Duffy at P. Diddy but um anyway yeah I love it okay So beyond this whole topic, we have to give an honorable mention, shout out, like totally not even related to this at all in any way, shape or form, um except for maybe the drama, because there is definitely that.
Speaker: The Formula One ah Drivers' Championship just happened last weekend in Abu Dhabi. One eternity later.
Speaker: Like, he just left his kid because he was mad at him. So, if you have people who are like, oh, we like this dad now more than we like Lando's dad because Lando's dad is such a douche, like, that's saying something.
Speaker: Well, have no interest in the subject whatsoever. Oh my gosh. It's so funny though. Oh, fine. You can cut all of out. feel like maybe I would have, I could maybe have some, let me watch it first. Okay. Well, they just finished. So you're gonna have to wait till like march There's no like recap?
Speaker: I don't know. I mean- do you have ESPN Plus? It's like... mayor okay
Speaker: I will probably cut most of that out. Probably. Well, yeah, you didn't say anything. it was just me talking. Did you hear about the Michigan coach that was fired? Okay, I'm going to end this. Well, let's do look let's do our wrap up but this and then we can talk about that. Well, but it's also like having, it was like PDDS.
Speaker: Okay. mean No, I did not. i did not hear about this. Okay, so he was first fired, okay? He allegedly, married guy three kids.
Speaker: Allegedly hooking up with a staffer. And the reason it was found out was because He had someone door dash plan B to his office.
Speaker: And the door dasher was like, hmm, that's sus. And he told.
Speaker: wow And so, but it gets worse. Like, that could have just been like, you know. Why did he think that DoorDash had like a, you know, ah ah Dasher client confidentiality clause or something? I have no idea. i'm Like this, this coach was making over five. i mean, this is all a legend, a legend, making over $5 million dollars a year.
Speaker: but then after this whole thing went down where like he got fired, he then allegedly, broke into his mistress's apartment, grabbed knives, and threatened self-harm after she ended the relationship.
Speaker: Like, I think it was like... What is with men today? I don't But now he's facing six years, up to six years in prison. He's wearing a GPS monitor. He's out on $25,000, know, a bond.
Speaker: but it's like dude keep it in your pants like what is your issue right She's just not that into you. Oh my gosh. But like, when will men like really kind of like get it, but not just, I mean, Oh, it's not even just men though. I feel like because I'm following the whole Brian Walsh case out of Massachusetts with like the same law people as the Karen Reed case. I mean, but in this case, they actually shocker.
Speaker: They actually, investigated but this guy this guy i mean the jury is literally out right now like deciding his fate um but his wife was missing and then he later led to not killing her but of improperly disposing of her remains
Speaker: into several several dumpsters so my god so he thought he could just like sprinkle her around well yeah so i'm like so one might think he wasn't charged with it but like with desecrating a body like because he like dismembered her if she's in several different dumpsters um And they had, like, the pic. He's like, I didn't kill her. I didn't kill her. But I did chop her up and throw her out in several different places. showed all the stuff he bought. He had, like, Tyvex, like, ah those suits, like, you know, non-contamination suits or whatever.
Speaker: you know, full head to toe. Like, what they wear, like, you know, crime scene investigators wear. Right, right. two of those one was like large one's medium there is questions about whether they just like didn't he didn't know which size to get no his mom they're thinking mom was like part of it okay wow because she hired a private eye to look into his wife anna like in her you know and don't know she was having an extramarital situationship so he bought those suits there's I mean there's receipts for everything receipts for giant tarps um plastic sheets hacksaw hatchet hammer like they found all of the tools by the way and the hatchet had like a greasy substance all over the blade which
Speaker: is consistent with what would occur when slicing through anything with fat on it.
Speaker: Like rubbing tallow like on the blade. like Right, right, there right. right Anyway, so he's saying. what's that like what's that like beef thing that you're into? The beef tallow? What I just said?
Speaker: The beef thing? Something with the organs? like Yeah, or is it like primal goddess or something? Yeah, that's like uterus and fallopian tubes and stuff though. Oh, awesome. yeah okay yeah We can talk about my home birth and like keeping my placenta afterwards.
Speaker: That's another episode. Prime content. um Yeah. You want to end it here? i think we should. i mean.
Speaker: yeah okay
Speaker: all right well i don't know what next week's episode is going to be but it's probably going to be lighter than this one unless we just do more of a deep dive into unless we do yeah i mean it could become our new hyper fixation maybe And anyways, as always, if you have any stories that you'd like us to read on air or any kind of like personal anecdotes about your, what you remember during the Diddy era, would love to hear it. We would love to read it. and you can email us. take
Speaker: You can email us at therealtipodcast.com. At gmail.com. Every move I make. Okay.
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