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Pickleball Pro: Rob Nunnery Reveals Upcoming Partnerships, Player Standouts, & Delamination
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In this interview, professional Pickleball player Rob Nunnery pulls back the curtain on the sport's inner workings and shares insider insights that will leave you amazed. Join us as Rob talks about his nomad life, upcoming partnerships, and what he looks for in a partner. He also provides a status update on Adam Stone's pro career and discusses his own career before Pickleball, including the launch of a business podcast. Rob also unveils his exciting new project with Selkirk TV and shares his thoughts on Ryan Holiday and Naval Ravikant. He highlights players who are standing out in the sport and provides an update on Austin Gridley's whereabouts. Rob then sheds light on why the APP isn't broadcasting on YouTube and delves into the differences between the PPA, APP, and MLP. This is a must-watch for any pickleball fan.
Chapters
00:00 Opening
01:16 Intro
03:15 Nomad life
06:18 PPA red rock, upcoming partnerships
09:23 What he looks for in a partner
19:56 Status on Adam Stone pro career
21:51 Career before Pickleball, launching a business podcast
29:38 Rob's new project with Selkirk TV
35:10 Ryan Holiday, Naval Ravikant
44:57 Players standing out
48:51 What happened to Austin Gridley??
50:09 Updates on APP and why they aren't broadcasting on YouTube
56:24 PPA, APP, MLP, delamination
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Transcript
The Impermanence of Life: Marcus Aurelia's Influence
00:00:00
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Marcus Aurelia said, you could leave life right now, let that determine what you do and say a thing. I had a challenging last year with some personal stuff, with health, and a more fatty to me is basically a love of one's face. He's not trying to be anything. He can say some of the meanest shit in the world. So he's like one of those guys that kind of get away with saying anything just because some people love her, some people hate her, and in my opinion, that means she's doing something right.
00:00:29
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How many pros can you think of have achieved this? Started playing in 2019, went pro by 2020, earned sponsorships with Franklin and Mount Selkirk, won the inaugural Major League Pickleball event, and played at the New York Stock Exchange. Don't you ever wonder like what goes on behind the scenes of a professional player that we see on the court? How much of their story
00:00:50
Speaker
Do we really know?
Rob Nunnery's Journey into Pickleball
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One of the more outspoken players, Rob Nunnery, talks about tour partnerships, his career before pickleball, takes on players, tournaments, and projects he's currently working on. Welcome to another episode of Building Pickleball, where I created this platform to allow folks to dig into different stories within the space of pickleball, the different elements helping grow the sport. And so far, it's ranging from founders. And now I'm introducing players, my first guest,
00:01:20
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is Rob Nunnery. Rob began playing professional pickleball by the end of 2020, quickly made his path to the top 10. He's a podcast host. He is one of the few players who played at the exhibition match held at the New York Stock Exchange.
00:01:37
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was a member of the BLQK team that won the first season of MLP and is now on the Brooklyn Aces. He's a Selkirk sponsored athlete, formerly out of Austin, Texas, and now living the Nomad life. Welcome Rob Nunnery.
00:01:51
Speaker
That was an intro. Thank you. That was well said. Better than I could have done, I think. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I was just telling you before we got on, love what you're doing with the podcast and kind of exploring the different stories that are going into growing this great sport that, you know, that's taken the country by storm. Yeah, I know. I appreciate it. Yeah, I was trying to copy a little bit off some hot ones or like Tom Bill you of impact theory. Yeah, I love hot ones. That's a great, such a good chance.
00:02:21
Speaker
Yeah, who's your favorite guest? Oh, I liked when Gary Vee guy so I liked when he was on just because and he's also MLPs got the pickleball tie. I liked when Gordon Ramsey was on that was that was pretty good. And I don't know. There's not there's not an episode where I'm like, man, that's
00:02:44
Speaker
I just, what I love about him is he does such great research into each guest and like every, almost every episode, the guest is like, dude, how did you find that tidbit of information? Like, where did you find that? Like nobody knows that. So. Yeah. He makes it like very, very seamless. Oh, he's so good. He's such a good host. And I don't know, like, does he come from a different background of like interviewing?
00:03:09
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I'm trying to, I remember, I remember him talking about what he was in before and it did not feel like it was very relevant to any kind of interviewing or journalism or anything like that, but it works for him. He's like a barista at Starbucks. Yeah. I mean, honestly, it was something. Do you not like that jacket? That jacket's legit. Oh, dude, I appreciate it, man. I can't tell. Is it like a fleece or a windbreaker? Oh, it's more like a windbreaker, but it does not, like when I found it, I was like, oh, sweet, sale rack, this should,
00:03:39
Speaker
It has like kind of the material that I would expect to protect you from rain. Yeah. Not at all. Does not get very wet with that jacket, huh? Yeah. It's like, this is great. This is it actually works perfect and awesome because I'm like it during the summer. I'm like, I want something that's light, but can block the sun because I just don't want to die of heat exhaustion out here. Yeah. And what you're we were talking about before you're out in Ponte Vedra.
The Nomadic Lifestyle of a Pickleball Pro
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Yeah. So I'm.
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Like you mentioned that intro, I'm fully nomadic this year, really. I was living in Hawaii last year, left in December, because I wanted to play full-time. And yeah, so playing full-time, in between tournaments, I was spending time in Ponte Vedra, as well as St. Simon's Island, where my mom is. So yeah, just bouncing around, trying to connect with people that I haven't been able to see since I was in Hawaii for a while. And yeah, staying connected.
00:04:37
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Yeah, do that. So I'm glad you're the first professional player guest. Not that your identity is solely being a professional player, but because you have so many different things that you've done throughout your life where Kihei, Kihei, Maui, Kihei, Kihei. What drew you to going out to Hawaii?
00:05:00
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Yeah, it was actually just a pretty sick gig that I got at a Discovery Land property. I don't know if you're familiar with Discovery Land, but they actually have a... It's probably some of the most high end luxury real estate in the world. It's like communities and developments for the uber rich and successful and it's very private. So you have
00:05:29
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You have celebrity members, billionaire members. There's a property they have in Austin called Driftwood, not too far from where you're at, I'm sure.
00:05:38
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But yeah, I got a pickleball gig out there and did that for a year. And it was good. It was good. It was like low stress. It was just very far from everything. So if I wanted to continue staying in the pro game, it was going to be very challenging. And I felt like I wanted to get back to the mainland and keep pursuing pickleball, especially with the trajectory of it. And I still think it's got a long ways to go, especially in the pro game.
00:06:05
Speaker
Yeah, that's dope. Did you explore any of the other islands like go out to Kauai? I've been to Kauai. I didn't go actually when I was there last year, I went before but Kauai, yeah, Kauai is great. I've been to the Big Island. I haven't been to Oahu.
00:06:20
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But yeah, so I've been to a few of the islands. It's a great place to visit. It's a difficult place to live if you have responsibilities and aspirations of things you have to do on the mainland and be at the mainland. It's a long trip. I mean, from Hawaii to East Coast, where I'm at now, in Ponte Vedra, you're looking at 12-hour flight time.
00:06:44
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and air. So like if you have a connection and you're talking, it's a whole, it's a whole experience. So dude, my body can't take that anymore. It's brutal. I thought like, Oh, you know, it's just, you're sitting on a plane. It won't be that bad, but man, it's that bad. It's, it's hard. Yeah, for sure. I was looking at PPA red rock and I was like, why is Rob not? Well, first I was like, how is Rob taking this call on a Friday of a gender doubles? And then I looked at the bracket. I don't, do they have a different format for red rock?
00:07:13
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Uh, yeah, so they, they, with Sunday being Easter, I think they moved everything up a day. So they did singles on Wednesday, mixed Thursday, gender Friday, and I think they're doing championship Saturday instead of championship Sunday. But yeah, I didn't play the, I didn't play Red Rock. I just played Mesa and was going to play Red Rock with Julian and Tyra Black, new player coming on.
00:07:37
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And, um, yeah, Julian had to pull out. So I just decided, you know, I needed to pull out and I have, I've got some doctors appointments and stuff, um, starting early next week. So it was going to be really tight if I did play red rock regardless. So it just feels good to kind of take a week off and be stationary and, and start taking care of some of the health stuff I need to take care of. Oh, gotcha. Gotcha. I didn't know if they had like a different format, um, for red rock and some
00:08:05
Speaker
I don't know, like requirement, but God, that's fucking disappointing that you were going to play with Julian and you guys aren't because when I was watching that, was it Minnesota? Yeah. Dude, that was an awesome performance. I was awesome to just like watch you guys have. I don't know if it's just Julian being methodical in who he picks to play with, but like both you and Thomas Wilson just have like awesome styles.
00:08:34
Speaker
I don't know if it's that much different, but you, you always see a lot of like volley attacks, but then you have that patented, like just a trademark, just that flick from off the bounce. And then you also have like misdirects and like inside out shots, your guests were like really good. And I was like, dude, this dude just came back from like a fucking miniscule, medial miniscule tear, like a year or so ago. And he's just like doing this.
00:09:03
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Yeah, it was a lot of fun. My, yeah, in terms of my knee, I think my, my movement and everything feels great. Like I feel, I feel a hundred percent, um, legs feel as strong as they ever have. So just taking care of that. Um, yeah. So, so movement wise, everything feels good. Uh, play wise, you know, still, still need to get more reps this year.
00:09:24
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And yeah, Julian and I, we had kind of an up and down day. We had obviously a good result in that early win against Ignatovich and Collin, but didn't play super sharp the rest of the day, but always fun to play with Julian. He always gets amped up. He always is going to fight and want to win. And yeah, just a fantastic partner to have.
Strategizing Pickleball Partnerships
00:09:43
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Yeah. The attacks, just like the constant pressure. It was awesome. It was just like a clinic in and like a showing and just like how to attack and just like being relentless with it. And yeah, it was sick. Um, and you mentioned APP Mesa. You play with Ryler to heart, right? Yeah, I play with Ryler in that one. You've played with so many different people, like.
00:10:22
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Do you look for something in particular?
00:10:25
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Who's available? So the issue coming from, there are a couple issues in terms of partnerships. Well, it's a big deal in pro pickleball, really, is logistics, man. Like actually setting up, you know, playing 20 plus tournaments, needing to find not only a men's partner, gender partner, but also a mixed partner with a pretty limited mixed field. It's getting larger, but I mean,
00:10:50
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In terms of women, the guys are really deep, right? So women have their choice of guy, really. But on the men's side, it's pretty limiting in terms of who's available, and especially based on which tour they're playing. So being in Hawaii all of last year,
00:11:05
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I didn't play as many tournaments and dealing with the health stuff didn't play as many tournaments as I wanted had to back out of a few tournaments with partners. And I think, you know, doing that and then deciding really in November to come back over to the mainland full time. Most most everybody had their partners lined up for the year already.
00:11:24
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And there's a lot of there's a lot of iffy stuff at the end of the year with the PPA tour cards and the APP tour. And you know what the restrictions were going to be and who is going to play what so all the way all that stuff shook out.
00:11:39
Speaker
was me not signing with a PPA and me just staying open, a free agent to play whatever I want. I am playing more APPs, I'm still playing a handful of PPAs. But yeah, just being so late in the game, it made it tough in terms of finding partners and
00:11:57
Speaker
And so yeah, just trying to get the best results I can this year with the partners I have, I'm having a good time playing with them. Rylover is a lot of fun, a lot of fun to play with. And Mesa, we got fourth. For me in an APP, anything but the medal stands, it's a disappointment for me. So
00:12:17
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you know, we've got to get better in that respect. And yeah, I feel like I feel like we will. I think we started our game started to come together a little bit. We had a weird last match against the Johnsons lost 52. But before that, we beat Brendan Long and Stefan O'Vern and, you know, pretty handily so and rather play great that match. So I think, you know, we have the next two tournaments together. We have the U.S. Open and then we're playing APP Sacramento together.
00:12:44
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And yeah, I expect this to get better. And then, you know, I've got a handful of different partners throughout the rest of the year. I've got Ed and Lika for some. I've got Andre Diaskew for a few. And who else do I have? I've got Craig Dow, I think, for another one, who's my MLP teammate.
00:13:00
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So yeah, just a big mishmash of partners. I've got, on the women's side and the mix side, I've got Tyra Blackford three. I've got Megan Fudge for most of my APPs on the remainder of the year. And I've got Susanna Barr for I think New York City, APP and also the US Open coming up. So yeah, exciting to be back, man. But the partner, the partner games always, always a challenge. Susanna Barr, dude, that fucking glove, man. She's loved wild man.
00:13:28
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She yeah, I mean just watching the match yesterday you're like dude a hundred percent Yeah, she's cool. And I remember seeing her son even at like local tournaments around Austin Porter bar Dude you probably have some hot takes on this but like coming from not hot takes on Susanna bar in the glove but
00:13:53
Speaker
Coming from, I come from MMA. So in MMA, you have a camp, you have a location, you don't really go out to other places and like, you don't have new training partners. You don't have a new coach. You stick with that person who knows you best and you develop different skill sets. So you develop just like your overall growth as that professional athlete based on who's around you.
00:14:16
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And that's not necessarily the same. You've, I think you've talked about this in your podcast episode. It feels right. And you've talked about this where it's like, there's just so much switching of partners and maybe the Johns could be proof that sticking with one partner is the best. Um, there's obviously there's trade-offs, but
00:14:39
Speaker
Yeah. Like want to get your thoughts on what that's like. Are you and Rylar going to play like more events consistently together? Do you think it's going to be eventually like the future of the sport is, Hey, based out of here, I'm going to team up with people that I can train with on a consistent basis.
00:14:58
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's where it's moving to. I think if you do look at the top handful of teams, call it in the PPA, most of them are the same partners consistently. And I think that is what generates the best results because you have time to gel and understand each other's games.
00:15:16
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I still think pickleball is not, it's not I think pickleball still not at the level where you have your partners living in the same place and training together and like legit practicing all the time together and working on set plays and stuff like that. But that is where it's going for sure. And I think we're going to see partnerships move to that where, you know, if you're not
00:15:38
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If you're not playing and practicing in the same spot, you're going to be at a disadvantage against teams that are practicing all the time together. So I think that's where it's going. It's not there yet, but I would imagine, especially as prize money continues to increase and the margins become much slimmer between teams, that every little edge is going to matter a lot. And that's, in my eyes, that's an edge that will be significant.
00:16:09
Speaker
Given that you're on that kind of nomad lifestyle, are you trying to settle into a location where you have a partner that you have in mind? For me right now, it's not so much about, I mean, 2023 is like, you're really kind of already locked into partners and set for
Training in Pickleball Hotbeds
00:16:27
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the year, right? And I'm playing with a handful of different people.
00:16:30
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So it makes it difficult to kind of be in a location where you're with just that person all the time. So kind of what I'm looking at for 2023 is probably being kind of based in a location where there's the best practice. Because if you look at most people call it in the top 20, they are all in these hotbeds of where all the other top players are, whether it's South Florida,
00:16:52
Speaker
where the Johnsons and Ignatovich and Anna Bright and Anna Lee and that whole group's at, or whether it's Austin where you have that whole contingency. There's more people going to Dallas, a little bit in California. So it's like, you know, you have these hotbeds of practice spots and where players live.
00:17:11
Speaker
And, you know, it's, it's to not be in those locations and being like practicing with those groups, it's a big disadvantage, in my opinion. So, you know, I could see myself going down to South Florida, kind of in between tournaments and, and playing with James and Jdub and those guys. And I think,
00:17:30
Speaker
you know, when I first came into the sport, it was, you know, coming from a business background. I know that if you want to achieve something, you have to surround yourself with people that have already achieved it, right? So same in pickleball in terms of playing, like if you want to, if you want to be top tier, you've got to be around top tier players and practicing the practicing with them all the time. And it's, you know, it can't be understated. It's my opinion, it's the greatest way to get better at pickleball is by playing with better
00:18:00
Speaker
Yeah, 100%. When you're playing in Hawaii, who are you playing with out there? Yeah, just a buddy named Kelton Lau. He's like a big wave surfer, nice guy. Probably, you know, four or five pickleball player though. So, you know, would just drill with him and get touches like that. But yeah, on Maui, four or five is kind of the limit. I think there's some players coming along now, you know, Kelton's buddy Kento,
00:18:26
Speaker
Had just started playing really when I was leaving but he's playing more province now. So I think You know, it's gotten better, but it's still yeah not super high level out there right now. Yeah Yeah, there's like a video of Riley Newman out there like I don't know which island he was on but it's pretty cool if anyone Whoever's listening watch it on YouTube. It's pretty cool
00:18:48
Speaker
Yeah. Looking forward to you playing with the Johnsons down in Florida, and hopefully you get interviewed by Georgia where she flips her paddle handle and asks some real ridiculous questions. Maybe you can adopt J-Dub's cow pants too. God, those things are something else. Yeah. His cow pants, his painter's outfit, his caddy outfit. He's a walking meme. I love it.
00:19:15
Speaker
That's the best part. Like the other thing is something he did recently in like one of the past couple of tournaments was like just he was doing like these hand motions. Do you know the story behind that?
00:19:30
Speaker
Just an animated guy. I don't know. I don't know. I saw that and said he was on the right side when he should be on the left side and he was malfunctioning or something, but short-circuiting. He's got a lot of stuff going on on court. He usually doesn't have very much extra movement, but lately he's been flailing a little bit. We're actually going to have him on the podcast soon, him and Georgia.
00:19:56
Speaker
I was like, you know, I don't, I think that'll be a good podcast. I'm going to have to be in my A game for that one to get anything good out of them. So. Yeah. That dude's like a mannequin. Like the way he's just like on the court, it's just like, like you said, just barely any movement. Um, yeah, it's sweet. I'm looking forward to that episode. Is Rob playing anymore? Oh, Adam. Yeah. Sorry, Adam.
00:20:17
Speaker
Adam is Adam is not playing anymore. He's basically fully retired just doing commentary doing a little Maybe a little teaching not a lot of teaching but mostly commentary and just the podcast and doing content so He's and he seems to be pretty happy with it. So I think he had a lot of we did an episode on it But he he got a lot of mental What's the word
00:20:46
Speaker
playing wasn't great for his mental health. He had a lot of anxiety, a lot of health issues that would come up based on that anxiety before matches and before tournaments. Would get sick in like 60 degree weather and cramp. And it wasn't always physical. It was a lot of it was stemming from mental and just the anxiety he had. He doesn't sleep before tournament days, like all kinds of crazy stuff. So I think for his emotional and mental wellbeing, he's in a much better place just being able to
00:21:14
Speaker
Just being able to talk pickleball, be involved in the sport, uh, more so on the commentary business side of
From Burnout to Passion: Rob's Career Shift
00:21:20
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it. And, uh, yeah, from, from my perspective, I think he's way happier. Good for him. Good for him for like noticing that and push, not like pushing past what he's feeling. That's a bummer. It's so crazy that when you watch someone doing their activity or sport, you're like, Oh, this guy looks so like calm, cool and collected, but there's all these things happening behind the scenes.
00:21:44
Speaker
Never know what somebody's going through, right? You're the co-founder of five zero. You must've been looking at LinkedIn. I haven't updated that in a while, but yeah, it was, um, yeah. So five zero, I left that or basically sold half of it to my partner in 2018. I was living in San Diego at the time and, uh, decided to get out of that business. It was basically an affiliate marketing business and then, uh, just got burnt out. It was, it was kind of like day trading where.
00:22:12
Speaker
we're spending money on ads every day and just trying to sell products direct to consumer. And it was kind of like in real time watching spin versus revenue coming in, and then adjusting the ads and the headlines and the sales page and all that stuff kind of on the fly. So it was very, very, very involved and kind of had to be attached to a computer at all times during the day. And yeah, got burnt out but left that business and then basically was just like, okay, let's
00:22:41
Speaker
Let's try to look to do something that's a bit more fulfilling and that I don't have to be attached to a computer all day. And I actually started a podcast called Fail On. And I did them only in person. And it was the least economical podcast in the world. I spent a bunch of money traveling, interviewing successful people, spending a bunch of money on hotels and flights and Ubers.
00:23:10
Speaker
and never even having an idea of how to monetize this. How much money can we spend to do a low-grade podcast is what the business model was. I was successful at it in terms of spending a lot of money and not generating any, but had a lot of fun. Got to have a ton of good conversations with people, good connections, good networking. Honestly, people talk about this a lot, but it's the best way to meet people that you want to connect with.
00:23:39
Speaker
right? You have a podcast, they can be a guest. You can meet some of the most successful people in the world just by starting a podcast. So it was kind of cool in that respect. But I did that for a full year. I think I did 45 episodes on a year, and then just stopped, found Pickleball, and the rest is history.
00:24:00
Speaker
just burning through money. So you could have just made a pocket. You could have made a podcast on that on how to spend money and not make money. Yeah. Inverse inverse linking. Yeah. No, but that is cool though, that you got like kind of like the unexpected outcome, which you said is like networking, which I don't know if it's just me personally, or if it's because of COVID.
00:24:24
Speaker
or just because I'm an adult, but like networking is not easy. No, it's agreed. And it's kind of, it feels pretty forced a lot of the time, right? So it's like more of an organic way to do it. But yeah, it's not easy. But you know, in Austin, especially where you're at, there's a ton going on. And it's a good community of people that are building and creating and
00:24:45
Speaker
starting cool stuff. That's such a good point that it feels forced most of the time. And if it doesn't feel forced, then how do you make it not sound sketchy? Because you're talking to another guy and you're like, yo, so do you want to come over some time and play some video games? And it's like, this sounds so weird. And as far as pickleball goes too, it used to be golf, right? You meet on the golf course and talk business. And now it's
00:25:12
Speaker
Pickleball is such a unique sport to where there's a lot of high-profile business people playing, a lot of business people in general playing, and it's very social. You're in a small court, small area, and it's a great way to connect with other people.
00:25:27
Speaker
which is actually why I'm working with a guy Alex Diaz with 321 Sports and helping him host corporate pickleball events. So kind of on that business front of business meets pickleball. Yeah, I mean, it's a it's a real need and it's a great way to connect different people. Oh, sweet. Can you tell us more about that? We're running corporate events for different companies. For some companies, it's a team building event where we set up basically a three hour thing where it's a
00:25:55
Speaker
You get a little intro clinic, you do a round robin, got a networking hour, that kind of thing. Yeah, companies like this, they need this. We host events where there's one company that sponsors it and they want to get in front of their ideal clients. We actually go out and recruit their ideal clients.
00:26:14
Speaker
basically pulling 15 executives to come to this event. And our corporate sponsor gets to be in front of these clients of theirs, or ideal clients of theirs. And we do a pickleball event as kind of the medium to where they're able to connect and meet and chat. It's a new venture.
00:26:31
Speaker
going well. Alex is selling a lot of sponsorships for it and we got our first event coming up in May in Atlanta right before the PPA. That's going to get kick started here pretty soon. That's badass. Dude, I wish when I was in the business side of things and had to go to these networking events, I wish Pickleball was one of the options. They're so weird when you have to go to a bar where the
00:26:58
Speaker
the music is just like my ears are bleeding and then you have to like drink alcohol to like everyone's kind of or everyone's like drinking because they're like, Yeah, what else do we do? What else do we do? It's awkward if you don't. Awkward if you do. Yeah, you just kind of stand in there looking around holding your drink. Who do I talk to? Yeah, it's not it's just not a very comfortable environment to connect.
00:27:19
Speaker
Yeah. And you have that like one drunk coworker who's like trying to take shots and trying to like force you to take shots. So weird if you see them the next morning. Yeah, that's super cool. What else are you working on outside of pickleball? I feel like a lot of people just see a lot of what's going on in terms of pickleball, but you are a person. You're someone behind the paddle.
00:27:40
Speaker
Yeah, no, but everything I am working on is is pickleball related, which makes it fun, right? Like that's why I got into pickleball in the first place is one because I really enjoyed the game. I enjoyed going out and playing. I enjoyed the people, the social aspect. Yeah, so I just really love the sport.
00:27:57
Speaker
as a whole. And I think, you know, as long as I'm able to work in the sport and help grow the sport and do things with the sport, you know, like, even if it's less money that I've made in the past, like, you know, I'm enjoying what I'm doing, getting to meet cool people, I'm getting to have fun making a living. There's
00:28:13
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Yeah. I mean, what more do you want? But in terms of what I'm actually doing and working on, so I've got the 321 Sports, which is corporate event stuff. I'm hosting a show, kind of a new show called Destination Pickleball.
00:28:27
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which we were calling driving and dine, but apparently that's too close to dine and his drive and some dives, which is what we actually are kind of modeling the show after. Now it's called Destination Pickleball. We've shot our first couple episodes at Chicken and Pickles. We are shooting, it's basically a show that highlights different pickleball venues across the country.
00:28:48
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shows kind of their city, their location, what's unique about them. We go to the courts, we talk to the owners, the GMs, the local customers, and just find really cool stories through the sport of pickleball, which is a lot of fun. So really stoked on that, hosting that with Celtric TV. And with the goal of ideally getting that picked up by a network would be the goal. And then
00:29:14
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obviously have the podcast, which is great. And yeah, those are kind of the three core things I'm doing, the podcast, the show, and the corporate pickleball events.
00:29:23
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As dope, um, as far as destination pickleball might have some competition there. I doing something very, very similar, but, but not, I think you're going to capture it in a much different aspect. I'm kind of more coming at it from kind of like a vlogging perspective, but very similar going out to the facilities. The purpose behind mine was more so like, if I'm visiting this town.
00:29:49
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and I want to play pickleball, where can I go? And like one of the first places seeing as how you're from Charleston is actually the court that I think they were saying Greg Dow plays at, which is Collins park. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So going to release that at some point, but went there like a couple of weeks ago, just visiting my buddy in Charleston. I was like, how can I, like, what's the story that I'm telling here? Like if I'm, if I'm on a time crunch and I don't have a car,
00:30:14
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I want to play pickleball. How can I get some games in? Like basically just I'm a drug addict. I need to get my fix. Yeah. No, I love it. Yeah. It's not, it's not, not super similar. Uh, cause I'm not going to, I'm just kind of highlighting mostly, mostly indoor venues that have food and beverage. So, you know, think chicken and pickle.
00:30:32
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I think Charleston's got one coming called Crush Yard or the Pickle Bar. Trying to go to venues like that. They don't have to have food and beverage, but if they don't, we'll highlight the venue and then we'll kind of highlight food and beverage options that are close to the venue. Just so if somebody's visiting a new city, it's not so much
00:30:49
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any place you can play, but like kind of a more structured place you can play and then also grab a bite and grab some, grab a bite and grab some drinks after. Yeah, love it, man. Yeah, no competition more, the more the merrier. That's how I always look at it, right? It's like, you know, we both have podcasts, we both have shows. I mean, we're, you know, what we're both trying to do, right? We're trying to grow the sport. And I think the more people that are highlighting places to play venues, people on podcasts,
00:31:15
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You know, the better low key. I'm actually just trying to be like you, uh, just copying, copying your boots right now.
00:31:24
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Yeah, you came to the homeland. I haven't moved out to Hawaii yet. Yeah. Crushyard is going to be like exciting. Pit the pickle bar I spoke to. I just happened to run into this chick. She was at Collins Park. She's a co-founder. I can send you her info after this where her name's Tina. She's one of the co-founders, her and her sister. They have some cool shit going on. Love it. Yeah. And just in terms of like cool shit venue wise, I don't know if you've seen it, the Central Park in New York courts run by a city pickle. Like how cool is that? Right?
00:31:54
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The ice skating rink in Central Park is now converted into pickleball courts. Let's go. Take it over. Dude, it looks badass. I think it's like 14 courts, although one of them is pushed up against- Pretty tight. It's such a weird shape. Yeah. Yeah, it's an awkward shape to fit rectangular courts in, but they did it.
00:32:12
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Yeah, I don't know about the pricing. I hope that doesn't like Yeah, well, it's pretty pricey, right? It's like 80 to 100 per hour. Yeah. I mean, honestly, though, you got to force them 25 bucks for the hour to play. It's not terrible for we're talking New York City Central Park, like pretty cool, pretty cool venue to play, you know, you're playing pickleball in the background. You got Central Park and skyscrapers pretty iconic, pretty dope. I'd pay 25 bucks an hour for it. Yeah, I'd pay for it. Like
00:32:40
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And honestly, New York's such a big city, right? You have a handful of courts. The demand's wild in New York. I don't think they're going to have any issue keeping people on those courts. No, not at all. What's the equivalent of how many people are in New York compared to like... It's basically like a small country.
00:32:58
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know recent numbers, but it's bonkers. Yeah. I've done a lot of stalking, right? I checked out your LinkedIn. I've also like checked out your Twitter and something that stood out to me that I definitely appreciate is one, you have like a memento mori tattoo, which
00:33:13
Speaker
Um, I don't know if you follow Ryan holiday, maybe you just got that on your own, but, uh, either way, Ryan holiday is like a huge influence and idol. And then I see like in your Twitter, you have posts from Naval Ravocants that dude, his perspective on life is very just like eye-opening. Yeah. Can you just tell me a little bit more about like how you found them? What, maybe like what influence they've played on
Stoicism's Impact on Life and Ink
00:33:36
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your life. Yeah, no, I've, I've, yeah, I followed Ryan holiday for a long time. Love his, love his writing, great author.
00:33:43
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great thinker right like really i really jive with stoic philosophy so memento mori yeah i've got that tattoo on my on my forearm last year along with a more fatty on my wrist so to really two of my favorite kind of stoic stoic phrases and memento mori as you know basically is you know
00:34:03
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Marcus Aurelia said, you could leave life right now, let that determine what you do and say and think. So it's just something I try to, for me, it's like a daily reminder of life's not promised. Time is going every day. It's a finite resource and just, yeah.
00:34:25
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Yeah, be present, slow down, enjoy the time and whatever you are working on, give it your best. So it's kind of, kind of my thought on Memento Mori.
00:34:36
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And then a more fatty, you know, had a challenging last year with, with some personal stuff with health. And, you know, a more fatty to me is basically a love of one's fate. So no matter it's not just not just accepting what's happened, not just dealing with what's happened, but actually loving what's happened and thinking that like, you know, it's not supposed to be any other way. This is exactly what's supposed to have happened. And I love it and I embrace it. And I'm going to use this to move forward. So
00:35:04
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Two really important phrases to me, important enough for me to have them be my first tattoos and stuff I try to remember daily and try to live by.
00:35:13
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Yeah, I agree. Like we obviously don't ask in a way for a lot of these issues. Maybe it's an injury. Maybe it's a personal issue. Maybe it could be like grief or death of a loved one. Right. But while we might not be like voluntarily looking for it is like an experience that is beneficial to not like gloss over, not to just rush pass. It's like, what am I like gathering from this experience? This is obviously happening to me for a reason.
00:35:40
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always trying to look into what kind of makes, what kind of steers people's decisions. I had Chris Dickert from Legacy, and one of his phrases is just like bet on yourself. And he talked about his brother's death at the age of 15, which is very interesting.
00:35:56
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Yeah, there's founder of chaville Aubrey Steele, she like lost her dad and it's very like different impacts in people's lives. And some of those things that you don't really get to hear about from other people, but to kind of turn it around is a is waffle house still your pre ritual? Not not as often recently, but I do I do tend to like breakfast is my favorite meal of the day. So like even before before most tournament days, I will I will try to go somewhere like whether it's a diner or whether it's waffle house or whether it's somewhere and just
00:36:26
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I like sitting down having a cup of coffee in the morning eating some eggs and actually having a nice meal before I start the day because once the once the term of day gets going, I don't have I don't have a huge appetite throughout the day. So I try to get my meal in in the morning and then kind of let that
00:36:42
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let that hold me over till the day's over. Dude, I agree. Once the tournament gets going, you have adrenaline, you have nerves. There's also ... I've been to a lot of tournaments where the food isn't great. Do you bring snacks with you? Yeah. I typically bring a bag. I'll get a 10 ounce bag of beef jerky before the start of the tournament. I'll just nibble on that throughout the day, typically.
00:37:08
Speaker
Um, I used to do bars and stuff, but like cliff bars, but I think for me, for me, just like kind of the jerky and having some lean protein, hold me overs perfect for what I need. Yeah. I don't know. A bunch of, a bunch of energy drinks. I used to be an energy drink person, but now like I played this one tournament in Boca and Celsius was a sponsor. Man, they just were giving them out and I would have one before every match basically. And now it's now I'm just addicted.
00:37:35
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Greg, I was playing with Greg Dow in that tournament and he didn't realize, like I would just grab two before, before we play a match and he would drink one. By the end of the day, he was like, he was like, what these have caffeine in them. I didn't even, I thought they were just like electrolyte drinks. I'm like, dude, you've not only do they have caffeine, I think they're 200 milligrams. So you've had seven, you've had 1400 milligrams of caffeine. Was he just playing like lights out? He was, he was just like, he was definitely jittery and like super amped.
00:38:02
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But, uh, I was like, how did you not know by like the second or third one that there's a lot of caffeine? It's just Greg Dow being Greg Dow. How'd you, how'd y'all form that partnership? I know that y'all are on the same MLP team, right?
00:38:15
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Yeah, same MLP team. Honestly, players have some say in construction of some of your MLP teams just because GM's coming into the sport don't necessarily know, GM's or owners don't necessarily know kind of the player backgrounds, what meshes well together. And Greg sent me this epic pitch before the drafts and hey, you'll probably be one of the first guys off the board in the challenger draft. I'll probably be one of the last if picked
00:38:44
Speaker
this is why you should pick me. And then he just went on a roll about how he's locking down the right side, how he has big backhand counters, how he doesn't play a lot of mix, but he's a mixed beast in singles. He hasn't played a lot of singles either, but he's probably Hayden Patrickman's level is, I think, what he said. And then the final, the kicker, which made me chuckle, was he's like, and in terms of personality,
00:39:11
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I would say I'm probably a mix between James Ignatovich and Austin Gridley. So a big wild card. I was like, oh, that's just so perfect. And obviously, you know, if you don't follow a pro pickable and don't know the pro players, that's, you know, it's tough to understand that. But if you do know a mix between James Ignatovich and Austin Gridley, that's a, that's a character right there. To compare that with, it's like putting like a, putting like a donut as like a burger bun. Yeah, kind of. Yeah.
00:39:40
Speaker
James Ignatovich, dude, that guy, I've been fucking looking for someone to just play this, like, he's not really playing the field card, but he's doing like just such a great job at bringing eyes attention, bringing like humor. There's a lot of people, there are people in this board, I won't name any names, but
00:39:58
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There are people who are doing things behind the scenes that have a lot of skeletons in their closet. Now I'm just like, you probably heard of this guy. He was the coach of Kobe Bryant. He was his mental coach. His thing was that there's a lot of professional athletes that try to hide who they are. They try to hide that.
00:40:17
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try to hide that dark side is like this was a downfall of Tiger Woods. If he had just come out and just been like, yo, this is me. I'm going to keep fucking doing it. But he didn't. He tried to hide it and it just like he deteriorated in many aspects. Like John Jones is another example, but
00:40:34
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Yeah, it's same with Michael Jordan as well, really. It's like even like DJ Young, when he threw that paddle, I was like, dude, that was the best thing you could have done for your career in as far as like your personality. And no, obviously not great for the sport, but in some ways, it did create this controversy. It got his name out there even more so. I think he's an amazing player, but there are a lot of amazing players. What how are you different?
00:41:03
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How are you differentiating yourself beyond that? Yeah, no, it's 100%. And yeah, I think the thing with James is it's his authentic self to a T. It's not a persona he's putting on. You can just tell he's very earnest. He's not trying to be anything. He could say some of the meanest shit in the world, but then he'll smile and you'll be like, oh, that was actually kind of nice, what he said.
00:41:32
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So he's like one of those guys that kind of get away with saying anything just because...
00:41:37
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He, you, you know, to the core, to his core that he's not going to hurt a fly. So just very interesting dude. And I think he's got, I mean, fantastic player. Great for the sport. Um, yeah, just, just glad he's just glad he's, you know, where he's at in terms of ability and level. And I think he's going to, he's going to be a big deal and getting more eyeballs on the sport for sure. Yep. Dude has like a very complete package and now he's playing with his partner.
00:42:05
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Or yeah, he's playing with his partner and a bright, which is also like really cool. You're like, Oh, dude, this guy's like talking shit, but he's obviously wholesome and it's like post interviews are great. Yeah, you make a good point that he's not trying to be anything that he isn't, but he's also on the flip side of that, not trying to hot, not trying to hide anything that he is, which I think there are a lot of players are kind of hiding behind kind of hiding or pulling stuff back. And it's like, do just let yourself be who you are.
00:42:33
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Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's tough and it's tough and pro pickle bar, right? There's not too many players that will that will say how they feel truly, right? You have a handful. I think James is one of them. I think Leah Jansen, some people love her, some people hate her. And in my opinion, that means she's doing something right. Because she's she's unapologetic. She's herself. She'll say what she she'll say what she feels and what she thinks and and
00:43:01
Speaker
Yeah, unapologetically, which I respect the hell out of that. So it is a tough position to be in in some cases, right? Because, you know, you rely on a certain tour to pay you you rely on, you know, different organizing bodies to
00:43:17
Speaker
Maybe they sponsor you, whatever it is. And you have to be, you have to mince words sometimes. And I just respect the people that don't. Yeah. Leah Jansen, represent Dawson. And the funny thing is like, you've played with Julian and you know him personally. It's so funny to see how people react to who he is like on the court and what you're seeing through your screen or what you're seeing live. Because when you meet the guy in person, you're just like, oh, sweetheart. Yeah. Yeah.
00:43:44
Speaker
And if you listen to it, like I took a one-on-one with him and just like listening to his, the way he's instructional and the way he like describes a skillset or a technique or just anything about the game. There could be a fucking camera on the women's doubles court. And then out of nowhere, you just hear like this shouting and you're like, that's easily Julian. Yeah. You know that voice. What happened to Austin Gridley?
00:44:08
Speaker
Yeah, I actually played a tournament with him at the beginning of the year, APP Punta Gorda. And I know at the time he was in the process of leaving, he was living in Utah at the time, but he was leaving Utah and bought a house in Alabama, I believe in Birmingham.
00:44:25
Speaker
and took a job as a director of pickleball out there. So I don't know if he's playing much right now. Last I heard he moved to Alabama and got a new job out there. So I love Austin. I think he's a fantastic player, really good player. Just also had a tough issue getting solid partners all the time. But unorthodox, great guy, great player. And yeah, hope to see him on the tour again.
00:44:49
Speaker
love to see that unorthodox style because he was playing. He was playing with a legacy in Punta Gorda and just hammering the ball. Oh, he was. I don't know if he's still playing with it or not. But yeah, he was playing with a legacy and man, that thing's a rocket off that thing.
00:45:02
Speaker
That's awesome. It's hard to sometimes keep up with APP up for some reason. I don't know if you have any like hot takes on this. It was just odd that the last event, they didn't air it on YouTube. I've got a take on this. I know whether I know whether or not I don't agree with it to be honest. And I've talked to, I've talked to Tom about it, Tom Webb, the
00:45:22
Speaker
APP chief marketing officer, amazing dude, really, really great guy. Um, very smart in terms of what they're trying to do in terms of bridge the gap between, you know, I think they just did a study where 48 million people in America have played pickleball at least once over the last year, I believe. Um, and it's just a gigantic number of people that have at least tried it. And what the APP wants to do is bridge that gap between that mass market, which is the amateur market and the pro game.
00:45:51
Speaker
Because he's right, if you go to a random public park and ask a couple random people that are, you know, playing for the third, fourth, fifth time who a pro player is, they'll have no idea, right? So it's, you know, so they have a, they dialed back their budget this year, the APP tour did, in terms of
00:46:12
Speaker
Yeah, they just, they didn't want to try to keep up with PPA and MLP and all the money that's going into that. So they're like, okay, we're going to pull back, we're going to try to build a long term sustainable business where we're not just burning cash. And we're gonna, yeah, we'll have kind of more limited resources. So we're gonna have to figure out the best use for those, you know, the best way to use those resources. So they felt that streaming on Thursday, Friday was not, you know, was not beneficial from a cost perspective.
00:46:42
Speaker
So they are putting more into kind of media packages for players and different content, and storytelling, and that kind of thing to actually try to bridge that gap between pros and the mass market amateur pool. That's interesting. And then I was just like, well, why can't you just throw up like a, throw up like a GoPro, throw up five GoPros, throw them up on each pro court, who cares. And the, I guess the issue is they don't want to show a subpar
00:47:12
Speaker
broadcast product when they're reaching out to big sponsors about sponsoring tournaments. They don't want to have that be the product and understood on some level, but at the same time, people want to watch.
00:47:27
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But yeah, his argument for that also is we're not going after the people that are complaining about not getting the live stream on Thursday, Friday are the hardcore pickleball contingent, which is such a tiny, tiny market of the overall market of pickleball and what's possible.
00:47:48
Speaker
We just, yeah, we're gonna piss those people off, but we're hoping to capture the larger audience. That's interesting. I would think that if you're trying to get sponsors, that your sponsors would be interested in how you're broadcasting the sport. I guess you could also have sponsors who are just interested in like, how are you gonna promote this at just an event? It's like banners and social media.
00:48:14
Speaker
I will say they did put out a trailer. I don't remember what event it was for, but it is very happened very recently where they just like put out this really, really good trailer. It was just like the video editing was great. I think like Alex Trong was the first person shown and they just yeah, it seemed like they were more purposeful and intentful with a story that they're trying to tell. Yeah. And it didn't seem like it was just another event. As soon as I found out that they weren't broadcasting that event, I was just like, so is that the end of APP or?
00:48:44
Speaker
It's an interesting model, man. I'm excited to see how it all plays out. They're definitely not slowing down the APP. They're in it for the long game and they're putting resources behind it. They're trying to get big sponsors on board. They're trying to increase prize money. They're doing it all. It's just a matter of can they sustain while you have another tour that has the majority of top players. What is it like just being a pro
00:49:13
Speaker
playing at both those events as far as like... Obviously, I won't ask you to talk about the competition because I think that's... Yeah, it goes outside. Is there anything else that's different about how these events are run per se? Yeah, I think...
00:49:27
Speaker
Generally speaking, the PPA is more of a production, right? Like he's got the video board surrounding the quarter. It's just more of a high-end production. They've obviously put in more resources into making the actual event a good experience.
00:49:45
Speaker
Uh, and you feel that as a player, the APPs also, you know, they've taken a lot of steps in terms of improving the player experience. You know, they're catering, they're catering launches now. So players are taken care of and have meals at, at the venue and the player area. So it's, uh, yeah, I mean, it's, it's all getting better for players. And I think, you know, MLP easily does the best job for pro players in terms of player experience. What's MLP doing differently?
00:50:12
Speaker
MLP just, you feel like a pro athlete in terms of you've got all the recovery stuff you need. You've got the leg boots. You've got massage therapists there. You have all your meals catered, breakfast, lunch, and dinner. They have nice areas in between matches, private areas. That's dope. They're catering at any Waffle House? I wish, man. Number one complaint on player survey. Find a Waffle House. Find a Waffle House. Come on.
00:50:43
Speaker
Dude, given you've been you've been watching that Red Rock Open, right? Yeah. Given your Selkirk sponsored athlete, what were your thoughts on Travis at this point? This probably come out in like a week. But Travis Rhett and Meyer made a post about his experience playing against Tyson McGuffin.
Paddle Delamination Concerns in Pickleball
00:50:59
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It was a singles match. And Travis was making comments about how the paddle seemed delaminated. But yeah, I wonder what your thoughts were on that.
00:51:09
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another one of those guys and players that, you know, doesn't, not afraid to speak his mind, which I respect, you know, kind of on the same front as Leia. Like Travis, if Travis feels something or thinks something, he's going to say it most likely. And yeah, I was a little surprised that you put it out there, but I saw them talking after them. I watched that match and I saw them talking after. I didn't really know what the deal was.
00:51:32
Speaker
But it was interesting he put that out. And as a player, you kind of know if they play with the same paddle, right? The O2, you kind of know if something's coming off differently. And to Travis, it seemed like it was. And yeah, was a little surprised that he brought it up, especially both being self-cred players. But yeah, I think it's a big issue right now in pickleball.
00:51:54
Speaker
I think some players are probably doing it intentionally on some level. I know there's definitely been talks about that. All hearsay, of course. I don't have any proof or evidence that players are getting their paddles doctored intentionally, but it's definitely a conversation amongst other pros.
00:52:13
Speaker
that certain players are doing it and it needs to be corrected somehow because it's not a level playing field. If a ball is coming off 10% harder off your paddle and oftentimes with a delaminated paddle it's much more than 10%, it's a significant difference in terms of deflection.
00:52:29
Speaker
It's such a hot topic right now. And I actually just got the call before this was with Carl Schmitt's managing director of like equipments and facilities over at USA. That dude is super, super knowledgeable. Really respect that guy a lot. Agreed. His perspective on like life, but also he was talking about how the current scanner, they had like one
00:52:52
Speaker
or I guess the previous scanners like kind of the dated one is more like touch based. And then they came out this optical scanner that it's no touch. It's just free of any physical aspects. And it's just more like the row and in depth. So be curious to see like where that goes.
00:53:09
Speaker
That's for what? That's for deflection? Inspecting the surface, but it'll take care of deflection. He was talking about something like... Something. Thousands. Thousands of... Yeah. He was just like... Okay, nerd. Just tell me what does this mean? Yeah. He basically said there's 10,000 points of data that come out of it and
00:53:35
Speaker
Yeah, he's very, very technical. And it was interesting, he was talking about even tools for acoustics as well. And just like, yeah, paddle acoustics, because he knows that that's like a concern. It's cool to see someone working on the equipment side and facilities because they kind of go like hand in hand as far as the growth of the sport.
00:53:56
Speaker
So that was an interview you did with Carl? Yeah, yeah. Very, very technical. I'm like drained right now as far as my power, clearly. But yeah, we're coming up on the hour and just wanted to ask if there's anything that I didn't ask you about, anything that you wanted to touch on?
00:54:18
Speaker
Not so much. Well, I suppose so I've this year I've started a daily newsletter, which just kind of goes into behind the scenes of propic life and the life of propic evolve.
Insights from a Pickleball Pro's Daily Newsletter
00:54:29
Speaker
So I've written most days this year, I've had a little hiatus a couple times, but you can find that at Robinunry.com. It's just an easy little landing page, throw in your email and you'll get a daily update from me about, you know, what's going on in my life and what I'm doing to train and, and all of the
00:54:47
Speaker
all of the stuff behind the scenes. So kind of like your only fans newsletter kind of like, Oh yeah, but just no, no images. It's all just words. I seduce you with my words. No, no. Very profitable. But just like no photo, no video. But, uh, it is hilarious. Like how you hear about some people are like, yeah, I made like $13 this month and you're like, dude, and you showed how much? Yeah.
00:55:17
Speaker
When I emailed you, it's something said like five sentences or less. Uh, Oh yeah. It's kind of my signature. It's just, yeah, I think emails, emails could be long-winded and I try to keep my emails to five sentences or less just for brevity sake. And, and I don't, yeah, not, not writing novels to each other. Let's just keep it short. Yeah.
00:55:39
Speaker
Speaking of like thinkers, have you heard of Jason Freed from Basecamp? OK. Yeah, I figured you would be on the same kind of wavelength with him. Cool. Well, dude, I appreciate your time taking this on like super short notice. I don't know if you remember, but my myself and two other buddies took a private lesson with you at Dreamland like two years ago. And you taught us that patented rob nunnery, just like off the bounce attack.
00:56:07
Speaker
So yeah, it's cool to just kind of come around full circle. I do remember it was I gave maybe two lessons at Dreamland total. And that was that was one of them. So I guess I'll do a lot. Sure. Let's do it.
00:56:20
Speaker
We were complete knuckleheads at the time. We're like, Oh my God, dude, Rob nunnery. And it was, it was so funny, but it was well worth it. It was awesome. Um, you were like super chill and made for just like a lasting memory, but, uh, yeah, man. Yeah. I love that. I love that you've transitioned into, into helping grow the sport. Cause it's, uh, yeah, I was telling you the names, the name's perfect building pickleball is I'm a little tall. It's actually that I'm not using that for something, but
00:56:49
Speaker
I'll let you have it. Well done. Yeah, dude. I wish you all the best with the destination pickleball. That sounds awesome. I don't know if there's anything I can do to help. I'll definitely pass over the pickle bar, her contact information. But so, yeah, for the people listening, like destination pickleball, PPA and also on the APP side and like keep up to date with just go out to his newsletter, robnunnery.com.
00:57:16
Speaker
and check out what's happening behind the scenes. His only fans in a text format, which, Hey, maybe there's a market there. This gets people going. Yeah. Nick word, pickleball market. Good luck. I'm going to be broke. Yeah. Catch Rob at your local waffle house. Do you have anything else you want to add? Just, uh, how could people can find out about you and things like that?
00:57:40
Speaker
Uh, yeah, I would say the easiest way is just my newsletter, robmentery.com. Sign up for that. You'll get an email every day. Feel free to reply to the emails. I try to get back to all of them. And, um, yeah, that's the easiest way to connect with me and just really appreciate you having me on, man. It's been fun chatting with you, getting to know you and, and, uh, yeah, getting help and grow the sport, getting the sport more mainstream. Yeah, absolutely. Glad to share that passion with you, man. Um, yeah, thank you very much.
00:58:10
Speaker
All right. Thanks, Brad.