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Speaker: We're going to lot of what plagued the Packers today. There was a lot of outside factors, but ultimately the Packers had their opportunities to snatch victory and basically flip a middle finger in the face of a lot of different people.
Speaker: But once again, shot both feet off with the same shotgun and unfortunately you put yourself behind the eight ball. It's a position this team is not unfamiliar with at all, and they're going to have to figure out how to come back from it. But Joe, any other thoughts off the top, or you want just get into this one?
Speaker: Just initial thoughts. I said it during my little live stream, and it honestly didn't go long today because I really did not want to talk about it. This honestly felt like last year's Dallas game.
Speaker: And I say that because seemed like for the longest time, Matt LaFleur, and we'll get into in-depth a little bit more, but the reason why it felt a lot like the Dallas game was because LaFleur didn't seem to want to go for anything.
Speaker: I mean, he went for the fourth downs and whatever. That's not what I mean, but it just felt like he was playing conservative a lot of his play calling. And especially later in the game, he was trying to play for a tie more than he was trying to outright win the game.
Speaker: But like you said, there's a lot of outside factors. There's a lot of inside factors. And we'll get into a lot of it. Yep, so we're to go back to the format everyone's used to because as Joe and I were discussing, the way we're going kind of flow the show from here on out is we're going to go with the topic that has least to most things to talk about. Unfortunately, in a game like today's, that's going to be the fresh stuff. There's not much fresh about this game today.
Speaker: Excuse me why I combed my hair. I got the shower and didn't comb it.
Speaker: At least it's not ponytail, so I don't have to worry about it anymore. It's a fresh cheese.
Speaker: It's very little, isn't it? mean. This is going to be another one of those. If you're not a Green Bay fan or really just a quarterback fan who watches all the games, you're going to look at this and be like, why are you saying it was fresh for Jordan? But like you said, there wasn't, was Jordan perfect today? No.
Speaker: Was he a lot better than his stats? Absolutely. Like, Again, hung out to dry by really poorly timed O-line mistakes. Some things that happened that we're going to talk about later on in this episode.
Speaker: And then just continued drops by receivers, running backs. And, like, it's really unfortunate because Jordan did more than enough to win this game for this team. And...
Speaker: And I'm not even putting him in the fresh because there aren't many. I just truly think that he gave you a winning performance in unideal circumstances. He lost his starting center, backup center.
Speaker: You're down to a guy who's never played center in John Williams who we're really high about. A 90 year old composer of Star Wars and Indiana. I am never not going to make that joke. You know that, right?
Speaker: Oh, yeah. Especially, you know what? I don't want to steal it, but he deserves to be in this top of head. He's going to be mine. Yeah, so I will leave that for you. But yeah, like I said, it wasn't like it was an A-plus or even A... I don't even know if I would go with it was necessarily an A-minus because, you know, just the stats aren't there. But he did more than enough to put this team in position to win.
Speaker: And sure, know, the quarterback can always play better, especially in a game you lost. But this is one of those, you shouldn't have needed to play better today. Like, if the other 10 guys on offense pull their damn weight like they're supposed this is a win. And I want to say a pretty comfortable one for the Packers, honestly.
Speaker: I'm going to kind of disagree with you on a little bit of it. I'm not going to take him out of the fresh, but there were... a couple of moments where it's like, Jordan, what the hell are you doing?
Speaker: And I don't know if that was just the way it was called I don't know if that was, you know, spur the moment. I don't know any of that, but it just, there was a couple of moments where it's like, really?
Speaker: Like, The interception, I get a lot of people are going to say, well, you know, they were going to have to punt anyway if they didn't go for it. But like I kind of said during the live, I would have rather had the punt because there's a good possibility that if they had to punt in that case anyway, you got to figure unless something crazy happens, Dan Whelan's going boom that fucking thing.
Speaker: And probably gets you deeper than what Jordan's armpit was. The other one that kind of, again, don't know if it was the way it was drawn up. I don't know if it was his decision. I don't know what it is, but the one that really sticks out is the shot to Mark Redman.
Speaker: And the reason why that sticks out is because the way I saw and I'm not an analyst by any means. Mike knows a lot more about this stuff than I do, but the way that it looked to me was that it was a single read throw.
Speaker: And he was going to that direction no matter what because he had – and even Brady and – blanking on another guy's name. Burkhart.
Speaker: Burkhart. We're saying they had – he had Jonu Smith running wide open to the left side. Now I understand the play was ran mostly to the right side, but you're going to take a shot to a guy who is not a stretch the field type tight end with blanket coverage.
Speaker: It just felt like a single read throw to me. And, and those two things just kinda,
Speaker: like I said, it doesn't take him out of fresh, but I'm also going to say that there are those couple things did not help the Packers cause any.
Speaker: They didn't completely tank it, but it didn't help it any. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like I said, this is a game where Jordan absolutely could have played better, but I don't think he shouldn't had to have. I get that. And I agree with you. Like, this is the standard you're held to when, you know, it's like we said earlier in the season where like, we understand the human nature to shrug in the face of the pressure he's seeing. But that's, you know, fair or unfair, that's what you're getting paid $55 million a year to do is to stand in the pocket and deliver.
Speaker: The arm punt.
Speaker: I agree with you to a certain extent that, yeah, you know, I do agree that it is always better to end every drive with a kick. You know, that's been one of my mantras on this show. It's been one of my mantras for life. You know, one of my high school coaches drilled it into me.
Speaker: And at the same time, don't totally- That's how he got Marisol. no she would have booted my ass out of here already but like to me that one that play falls into stale for a different player but we'll get into that later and the one to redwin redmond yeah i i do have a hard time on that one because you're right he's anticipating pressure fast on that play because it's a quick three-step drop
Speaker: And you're right, like, it's one of those on face value where you're kind of like, does he not know that's not Kraft kind of thing? You know, like, and Brady kind of commented on that and a lot, like, I think Wes Hod did and stuff where, like,
Speaker: Kraft hits his funny bone on the first downplay, has to come off the field kind of thing. You know, it's a tall white guy wearing and six is close to five on a jersey kind of thing and stuff. And, you I don't know if he really knew that was Mark as opposed Tucker out there and stuff. But in Jordan's defense, he's looking at a as like, OK, this is a three step drop. I've got to get the ball out pretty quick. And I think.
Speaker: What he's counting on is he doesn't think Detroit's going to just totally biff that coverage on Janu the way they do. Because when you look at it at the snap, Detroit should have... The reason he throws to Redmond is Detroit has a three-on-two...
Speaker: to the Janu, and I think it was Golden's side of the field. And for whatever reason, two guys go with Golden on his, like, stick nod route. And that's why Janu is only being quote-unquote covered by Branch, who's, like, 15 yards off the ball kind of thing. So it's one of those where, like, when you're watching the broadcast, you're kind of like, oh, damn, like, he needs to look left. But when you see the, like, you know, the replay that... when you see the replay that Burkhardt and Brady are like, oh, like Johnny Smith was wide open. It's like, understand in the, if it was like a five or a seven step drop play kind of thing, where, like you said, he should have had more time to like go through reads. It's like, yeah,
Speaker: He totally blew it. But in the essence of where, like you said, it's a one read, three step drop kind of situation. I understand why he went to ref. But it really just does look like one of those like, what the hell just happened? And then like that one isn't as bad because the next play he throws to Jacobs in the flat and they get the first down conversion and all that kind stuff. But The thing about it, though, is this isn't the first time something like that's happened. Because if you remember, there's been a couple of times in different games that the left side guy has been wide open and the right side guy is completely covered. So that should be on Jordan to say, hey, something might be going on here.
Speaker: Let me side eye that for a minute. And like I said, this is one where I'm not going to totally defend him and not totally give him grief on it because I do think, like I said, I don't think he was wrong to look to the right, but also I kind of question, like, did you know that wasn't Tucker out there? And also, Tucker hasn't been great on those vertical routes where he's in coverage either, so.
Speaker: Uh-oh.
Speaker: Problems are ready.
Speaker: 3, 2, 1. But yeah. Yeah, I'm not going to totally fight you on it, but like we said, the main point is that... I'm hoping for an all-out brawl.
Speaker: but Jordan was more than good enough to win this game. You know, the 10 other guys on offense were up and down all day, but for sure one, you know, we kind of alluded to it earlier, but one of them deserves his flowers, deserves to be in the fresh category because he was in a situation, a circumstance that was totally out of his control and performed very well, given, given everything playing against him today.
Speaker: Right. John Williams and, I'll talk a little bit more about it in maybe even in the moldy, but you know, who would have thought Sean Ryan was going to get rolled up and had to go out and who thought Jacob Monk was going to have a, whatever happened to his quad and go out.
Speaker: And now the Packers are sitting there like, okay, who do we throw at center? And so they, they put in their perspective, Credit, they had been cross-training John Williams forever. They played him at guard. They played him. And that's where Burkhart and Brady kind of got it wrong on the broadcast. They said, oh, well, he had snaps in training camp. But I do think he had snaps during preseason.
Speaker: So he did have game snaps at center. I can't remember who said it on Twitter, but they said that the only issue he had was shotgun snaps.
Speaker: And then the first thing you see him come out in is a shotgun snap. But, you know, overall, he did a really good job. The one thing that I've always been told, I've always said, and everybody...
Speaker: no news is good news when it comes to the offensive line. If you're not hearing, oh, damn it, this guy blew another block, that's good news. I mean, obviously you want to hear him say, oh, hey, man, that's a great block. But usually no news is good news for an offensive lineman. And I can't say that I remember him beat badly on anything think more the guy to well both guys really i think this was probably one of the worst games for tomlinson uh so far and i mean it wasn't a horrible game but we'll get to that later but uh you know he held his own he did really good
Speaker: I'm not saying that make him permanent center by any means, but I think it's good to know that if the emergency pops up and they need another guy to take snaps or do the snapping, you know, he's there for it.
Speaker: I don't think the way they were. working out Sean Ryan and Monk on the sideline, and they were still padded, and they never went back to the locker rooms, and they were walking around and they were moving. I don't think it's going to be long-term for those guys.
Speaker: But again, if push comes to shove, it looks like I wouldn't have any issues throwing him at center. And the way he held up, and the way certain left tackle is not doing so well,
Speaker: wonder if maybe want to throw him out there for snap or two just say hey what can you do over there you never know and like okay so I know belly ached all offseason about how like they don't put certain guys in their best positions and all that kind of Williams is the level of guy on the roster where it's like, okay, like you need to wear multiple hats. The whole, you know, the whole get put guys in their positions is for guys you're expecting to be your starter or like starter in waiting kind of thing. So Morgan, Belton, a guard, a center kind of thing and stuff. But in Williams' case...
Speaker: The Packers were prudent to play him at all five positions in the offseason. And if you're going to make the team as somewhere between the eighth and tenth offensive lineman, versatility is a key part of your ability to make the team. And yeah, like in one of the worst, you know, environments to have to start, you know, to have to play starters reps out of nowhere.
Speaker: Williams came through for the team. So, and like you said, he had a couple plays where like, like his biggest quote unquote mistakes I could see where like, he might've handed off a pass rusher too early kind of thing. Like there were a couple of those where it's like, maybe he started to like look for other work, like a second before he should have in turn, instead of holding a block longer. But otherwise, yeah, there was nothing, like you said, it was a no news is good news kind of day. He had some nice blocks in the run game and stuff.
Speaker: And yeah, like go figure. Get down. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, usually when you get to that point, it's one of those things where it's like, oh my God, Jordan run, just run, Jordan run.
Speaker: And you didn't really have to worry about that with him. He really held up on his own. And I know I was just looking at it. There was only one sack and, and six pressures.
Speaker: Yeah. It doesn't hurt that he has that kind of a mind where, and especially at center where you need to recognize, your recognition and ability to read keys is at a premium. So it really helped. It really all seemed to come together for Williams. And obviously you hope Ryan's the starter for a reason, but it's nice to know that you have a capable option waiting in the wings in Williams.
Speaker: Friendish shows Matt Pickett's favorite player because he went to Cincinnati. More of a shout out than a true fresh, but I thought the safeties were fine today. You know, if Evan Williams comes out with one of the two interceptions that he had lined up, that group is in a better place.
Speaker: Bullard had a couple of nice reads on some of their, on some of the lines, like kind of tricky plays. Like he had the, tackle for loss on the the round and stuff like that. But I thought the safeties did mostly did their jobs today.
Speaker: Anyone else? Like you said, this is like a very thin category for us today. Cissé. Cissé had a tremendous game. I mean, he had a couple of moments, but I think that was just because they were in zone and he didn't know if he had over-the-top help or not.
Speaker: But overall, I mean, he should have had his own interception had it not been for something that we'll probably talk about later. And he almost had another one after that. So I just... That third downplay in the end zone when they showed the reverse angle, was like, oh no, like...
Speaker: I was like, oh, he actually should have picked that one off. And like, is that going to cost the team kind of thing and stuff? And then he makes the play on fourth down right afterwards. So like, you know, normally the whole... And heads up play to him on J-Mo Williams with pushing him...
Speaker: shove them out and even blandino and them were like, yeah, had this been, know, like a 12 years ago or whatever, it would have been a completely different situation because he had one foot down, but you know, now played it to the, to the T and was able to shove him out that stopped a touchdown. So, you know, he's really turning into something special.
Speaker: We're uh, we're still gonna have some, growing pains with him being, he is a rookie, but I think he's gonna be something for the Packers to keep around for a while. He's playing corner and like the main thing is that the positives outweigh the negative. Like the pros list is longer than the cons list each week. And like you said, even his like quote unquote negative plays, a lot of them were in the like category of like you said, it's hard to say if he really biffed anything or if he was just put in a compromised position because
Speaker: other people that we'll talk about later in the episodes, not quite playing the coverage the right way and things and yada, yada. So yeah, you're right. Cece absolutely deserves a shout out. Anthony Campbell.
Speaker: Campbell had the lone sack for the day. don't know which ankle he's nursing, but he went out with another ankle. You know, he was kind of hobbling off the field at one point. So you hope he's... And he's credited with a pass defense. So he's starting to go back to his preseason mentality. The play right before CeCe's back-to-back plays on the goal line, it was Campbell batting the pass down.
Speaker: But yeah, you know, good on him. Other than that, I really... Uh, yeah, I don't see any other ones that I can maybe honorable mention Christian Watson.
Speaker: uh, maybe because he led the team with yards. Uh, maybe you could throw a certain other player in there that has lot of baggage with him per Uh, because I know everybody's kind of sour on him, but you got to give him his flowers for it. He come back after missing six games because of being on the commissioner's list. You know, Josh Jacobs.
Speaker: You're not going to see it in the... I'd be more willing to put him up there if he caught the last pass that was thrown to him. I know we're parsing hairs, but... That is one of those, like, it wasn't a perfect play, but it kind of did contribute to costing them the game in the end and stuff. But like said, honorable mention. We'll throw it in the honorable mention. Like, it was a solid first day back in the office for him.
Speaker: Right. I mean, you got to just because of that, his touchdown catch alone, because to be able to stay on his feet and get that touchdown was something else. But yeah, we can move on to the next one. Let me.
Speaker: What's this deal, shit? So my first stale one, it's gonna go, like you said, Watson, yeah, like, he had an okay game, but again, it's the, like, contested ball stuff, and I know that different people are gonna say different things about him on contested balls, but like you said, on the arm putt, I'm sorry, you're 6'4", and it wasn't one of those that, you know, certain members of his family have, like, kind of thrown Jordan under the bus for.
Speaker: like... you got good eyes on the ball the whole way down the field. You're 6'4", squared up relatively to the ball, and you lost at the catch point to a 5'9 guy coming off an Achilles tear.
Speaker: Like... And it's predominantly because you tried to catch it at your shoulder, and he reached up above his head to catch the ball.
Speaker: And it's those kind of ones that, like, Again, it's like, and no, it's hard because Golden's going to go somewhere between here and Moldy. But like, it's these kind of moments where it's like, you want to call yourself a wide receiver one?
Speaker: wide receiver one is going to make that play for his quarterback. And what did I bring up with Jordan is like, he did enough to get this team a win.
Speaker: And that's one of those plays where it's like, the other 10 of the 11 didn't fully pull their weight. Is it fair? No, but you're getting paid to be that kind of guy. And you gotta make that play. And like I said, this is purely on his truly contested play ability and stuff. And it's one of those where I'm watching it, I'm kind of like, as the play unfolds, I'm like, he's not catching it. It's one of those where it's like, ugh, like...
Speaker: At least swat it. Yeah, like I said, because it's like you can kind of see Branch ranging over I'm like, oh no. If it was just him and his corner, would have been like, okay, maybe he's going to come down with it. But when you see the spacing on the play as the camera pans to Watson, it's like...
Speaker: he's not coming down with this. Like that was honestly my thought process as, as it was going through. And then Oh, and you let it get picked off. Like, come on. Like you, like I said, and I'm not going to fully put him in moldy because Watson was the most like consistent receiver, I guess on the day, but we need more. Like you're getting paid to be more than that.
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, the only reason I threw him in maybe a maybe honorable mention was because he did lead the team in yardage. But, yeah, I mean, it was rough for him know, maybe a little bit of decision-making with him.
Speaker: I'm going to put Matthew in the stale. because relatively he has been i don't think it was as bad of game for him as it looks because mean that is the dallas game like this was a this was a the other team gets paid to make plays too kind of game but like same thing it's like you want to be wide receiver one you've
Speaker: got to make the wide receiver one plays and like, yeah, like just need that five to 10% better out of him kind of thing. Well, people are going to look at the stats and say, oh, well, he had six receptions on, on 12 targets.
Speaker: Yeah, but like I explained in the live, when they say targets, they mean anything that was thrown towards him, whether it was catchable or not, anything that was thrown towards him.
Speaker: And there were some balls that were thrown toward him that just he wasn't going to be able to get to make a play on. So, you know, there is that.
Speaker: I don't want to make excuses for him, but these are the mistakes he should have made last year. Yeah. But he didn't get the playing time to make them last year. Yeah.
Speaker: So we're having to kind of work through a rookie season with him all over again because certain people on the coaching staff wouldn't get him into the game plan because he wasn't... He's the young guy.
Speaker: so just... Kind of like what we say with C. Say you got you're going to have some growing pains with Golden just because he's trying to get into everything.
Speaker: And. Yeah, so I again, don't look at the targets because that that's not going to give you any answers.
Speaker: Yeah, the only one that was rough was the one where he couldn't catch that second down pass where, like, he has it. He, like, totally roasts Reid. And then he just, like, Reid is able to catch up and punch the ball out kind of thing and stuff. And it's not a pure drop.
Speaker: And, like, that's the thing is, like, the only thing you can really say Golden can do better is, like, hold on to the ball tighter, which, like,
Speaker: Like I said, it falls more under the other guys get paid to play too kind of thing. And it's just unfortunate that it's few of those where it's not your day kind of plays kind of thing.
Speaker: Which is weird with him because he has strong hands. He's normally a shore catcher. So I don't know what it is with him right now. Yeah.
Speaker: I think on plays like that, he's, like you said, there is some know-how to like, okay, when I get contact in this situation, I'm going to push the ball out away from me. Because he's getting caught because he's catching it and he's immediately going to tuck the ball.
Speaker: But it's the rare situation where it's like you actually want to like hold it out away from you because the guy's hand is in your chest and if you pull it into yourself, you're like punching the ball out for him. So like you said, it's the ones where like you used to see like Jennings and Devontae do this where they would like hold the ball out like they're doing a Eurostep in basketball and then they like almost wrap it around like they go around the world and then tuck it on the side kind of thing. And like you said, like these are just the things that he didn't get the chance to like test drive and experiment on last season. So yeah, it's stale because they were all contributing factors to not winning the game.
Speaker: But like, it's not like he just flat out popcorn, you know, butter fingered it or anything like he did last week. So yeah. stale, stale, stale.
Speaker: There's one that could go either way. I don't know if I want to do it yet or not.
Speaker: I don't know. Stale is really hard with this game because there's so much that you want to put it in moldy because you're pissed off. Yeah. But if you really sit back and look at it, like the defensive line, you could probably put a stale because it wasn't great.
Speaker: But then again, you know, because they did give up 116 to Gibbs, but it was at least better than the Atlanta game where they almost gave up 200 yards to two different players.
Speaker: So... That was really the D-line's fault, if that makes sense. It was a lot more... Yeah, so... Okay, so the stale, I think you could put it, the linebacker play.
Speaker: Without Zaire there and Terrence Parsons and I kind of had a talk about it on Twitter. He's like, well, they're definitely missing Zaire. And I said, and I think he kind of took it the wrong way. It's like, yeah, they maybe are missing Zaire.
Speaker: But they're missing that guy opposite Zaire also. And because, yeah, Zaire may be able to communicate with the defense a lot better and get people where they need to go, but they don't have that guy that can roam around and do everything...
Speaker: The opposite as I aired, you know, run up the middle, cover the tight ends, do what they need to do on that end. So McDuffie, I I've said it forever. I, it's not that I don't like Isaiah McDuffie. He's good for what he is, but he's a downhill runner. He's, he's a pure run support guy. He's not going to do anything for you in coverage.
Speaker: He had an RA game. He had a fumble, uh, recovery. and all that, but you could tell they were kind of picking apart. Tyron Hopper, we still have no clue what the hell he is.
Speaker: I know he was getting some playing time. I know he was doing some things, but I, what was was he, was he good? Was he bad? I don't know. You could really tell.
Speaker: Uh, so I, yeah, I think you'd have to throw the middle linebackers in there today. And just for the people giving him a lot of, like, yeah, like the touchdown to Williams where they like had Panay Sewell running the dig or the like sit over the middle. It looks really bad.
Speaker: But also like, you have to remember that for the most part, when they put the trick play in, they're throwing it to the trick play guy. Like that generally is how it works.
Speaker: And, and... That's the one thing. It's just tough because it's really hard to say like they're going to put this guy in this position and they're going to do this thing.
Speaker: And for a young player, it's really hard for a young player to parse through the like, okay, we highlighted this thing. We spent like two days highlighting this thing. But as much as we're saying we're going to highlight this thing, you still have to make sure like you're playing your coverage responsibility. And like that is one of those growing pains of like,
Speaker: And it's and it was no real great way to get hopper on the field because Kuei and Edge got most of the snaps and you weren't playing three linebackers much last year and stuff. But it is unfortunate because like said, like that was one of those where you got stuck with the guy who was like too into the weeds and not, you know, like not seeing the forest for the trees kind of thing and stuff.
Speaker: And I'll admit, I was guilty of saying, like, you wouldn't see too much difference between Zaire and McDuffie because they are very similar types of players. But, like, you really saw, like, Zaire's both his ability to, like, kind of coach up Hopper on the field as they play together.
Speaker: And that as much as Zaire is limited in coverage and all that kind of stuff, he is way more nuanced into, like, feeling out, like, where exactly to drop in the hook curl zone. He doesn't always get there because he's not tall or super lengthy or anything. But he probably plays a bunch of those digs better than McDuffie does because he has a better feel for where the over route is going and stuff like that. Whereas McDuffie is just doing straight up whiteboard drops where he's just going straight back and he's covering nothing. If anything, he's kind of almost picking his own guys off because...
Speaker: They're expecting him to be like five more yards to his left or his right to help support the route concept, but he's not because he's kind of just spot dropping and stuff. So, yeah. The Penny Sewell one, Hopper was going to be damned if he did and damned if he didn't.
Speaker: Right. Because he did what he did to stop the trick play and they went the other way. But had he not went over to go over where Sewell was and they threw to Sewell and Sewell scored the touchdown...
Speaker: Everybody be all over his ass for not covering Penney Sewell. Right. And also in his defense in a little bit, Goff is rolling to his right, which is like towards Sewell's side.
Speaker: And of all the quarterbacks, you're not expecting Goff to throw back against his body kind of thing and stuff. So... And if you watch the play, he kind of does play to Jameson first. And then I think because Sewell is there, Goff is rolling to his right, he makes the semi-correct play to be like, well, the quarterback's here, the guy in my zone's not rolling to him, so I'm going to just fade kind of thing stuff. And yeah, like guys, like I said, the other team is paid to make plays too.
Speaker: Yeah, but I'm good on Stale. We can move to Moldy if you're ready. was just trying to think if there was any other real kick we could throw in there.
Speaker: No, I mean, pass rush is going to be the pass rush. Yeah. That's not much you can do. Yeah, Ganon was doing what he could, and Goff was just on his A-game today.
Speaker: It's a moldy cheese. All right, where do we want to begin? want to do one real quick, and this might cover a lot of the ones that...
Speaker: Decision-making. Pre-game decision-making.
Speaker: I'm not understanding a lot of the shit that the coaches are doing when they set their inactives. I know a lot of people are going to come at me because, oh, you're just being an Iowa home or shut up about it already.
Speaker: No, that's not completely at all. The last two games, and it's not just about him. I want to start with him.
Speaker: The last two games, they've held him out for three quarters and then gave him maybe a handful of snaps in the fourth quarter. Then today he's a healthy scratch. Caleb Johnson was not active at all today.
Speaker: I keep getting pushback on, oh, well, they've got more invested in Marshawn Lloyd, la, la, la. Whatever, that's fine.
Speaker: But Caleb Johnson has been a lot better than Marshawn Lloyd. Caleb Johnson has been a lot better than Pierre Strong. I keep wanting to say Pierre Desire for him because of long time ago. But Pierre Strong.
Speaker: But yet they had both Lloyd and Strong active today over Caleb Johnson. And then people, well, he had fumbles. Yeah, but Mike and I have both said this.
Speaker: Marshawn Lloyd had the same amount of fumbles in the same games as Caleb Johnson did. But with Caleb Johnson, the one thing that you're going to know is he has better running vision than Marshawn does.
Speaker: He's bigger than Marshawn, so he's going to fight through traffic a lot better than Marshawn. And just the way they've been... I even said this. It would not surprise me one bit that when they need an open roster spot, if they cut Caleb Johnson...
Speaker: even though it should be Pierre Strong because he'll be easier to stash back on the practice squad, I just have a feeling right now the way they're doing things are going to cut Caleb Johnson. And it keeps boggling my mind that nobody is asking LaFleur about this shit.
Speaker: And as much as I rag about press conferences, I have watched the last three or four the floor press conferences and nobody's asked him about that.
Speaker: So that's my rant about Caleb over, but we were in a dire situation today and there was, and you obviously can't predict these things happening, but you had Aaron Banks over, uh, Zeitler.
Speaker: He had Zeitler as a healthy scratch, but yet the walking injury himself, Aaron Banks, was active today. Now, he didn't start, but he's still active. Jagger Burton, who is normally your backup or third-string center, was inactive today.
Speaker: And that almost came back and bit him in the ass. So whatever these decision makers are doing when it comes to inactives and roster management, I really don't understand it.
Speaker: The Banks one, yeah. I'm just going to let you do the Caleb stuff because I'm not over it, but I just don't even know what to do with it anymore. The Banks one, it just...
Speaker: I don't, like I said, yeah, I agree with you. It makes no sense because it's like, okay, yeah, you say he's better, but like, he does nothing for you as a backup if he's not starting. Like, he has zero value because Mr. I'm only a left guard kind of thing. And I get it. Zeitler's a right guard and stuff, but it's like... Zeitler has more of a right to do it because he's been doing it longer and better than Aaron Banks has.
Speaker: Right. And like, And I understand, you know, Herman did, like, a whole breakdown of, like, why this and that and stuff. But I'm, like, you're still overlooking... Or I don't want to say Andy's over... But, like, that's still the coaching staff overlooking the sheer fact of, like, if Banks isn't starting, why is he there?
Speaker: I'm here. just... I had to do something. Nobody wants to see my ass moving around. No, I thought my internet cut out again. But, yeah, like... We won't belabor this point too much longer, but yeah, like... We said it during the preview. Eventually, they're going to piss Zeitler off, and he's going to demand his release.
Speaker: Yeah. And, like... And, again... he's just going to retire. Yeah. And I think Glover has looked worse and worse. Like, as the level of competition has gone up the past couple weeks, he's looked worse and worse. And, like, the first drive...
Speaker: ends because he just like I forget if there was a stunt or no no there was no stunt but he started to block like there was a stunt and he let someone go up the b gap and that's why Jordan has to leave the pocket and if Glover just stays on the guy he's blocking there are two crossers who are coming open like a split second after Jordan has to bail the pocket not saying that pass is absolutely completed but I'm like yeah like your drive comes to a screeching halt right there kind of thing And that's the teaching moments for him where, you know, he's inexperienced, he's young, and, you know, he's playing in position he hasn't played. But you want those experiences to happen during preseason, not in the middle of a game against a rival.
Speaker: Yeah. And so, and you heard Bulaga, like Bulaga, Wall, they've all talked about how, like, they're probably never going to be great at picking up stunts this season. But it's like...
Speaker: that's two weeks in a row where Glover's biffed it on both sides of the thing where it's like the touchdown pass to Golden. He didn't pass off the stunt correctly as Belton is like almost pushing him to go get the other guy.
Speaker: then this week he passes off a stunt that doesn't exist. So it's like... And this one did cost you seven points and it's going to lead into... But the other part that goes into your planning is... And it's one that I'm worried about, didn't really talk about going into this week, but...
Speaker: Someone has to tell Matt that it's illegal to run back-to-back run plays. I'm used to it being a Hawkeye fan. And I thought about it for Thursday's show, but I didn't bring it up. But it's like... Jacob's being back did bring up some of the worst of the... You saw it in the first Red Zone trip where it's like, oh, I'm going just burn two run plays into the pile kind of thing. And it's like...
Speaker: And you just set yourself up for third and goal from the 5-yard line. And then, you know, you're an inexperienced O-line screw up from having to kick a field goal and stuff. So, yeah, like, it's just... I understand you don't want Jordan teed off on, but second and goal from, like, the 5-yard... From the 3-yard line, the secret weapon there is that play is an autoplay action every time.
Speaker: Because unless you totally fuck up the blocking, you're getting a touchdown, a safe incompletion, or you're getting a penalty because someone panics and grabs the receiver kind of thing. So, like, and LeFleur's done it every week. Like, even the Tampa Bay seven-play touchdown sequence that ended up with Golden's fourth and goal touchdown, that was another one where it's like, run to get to the one-yard line, stuffed on the one-yard And it's like...
Speaker: That's Matt's problem. He has a successful run. He's like, oh, it's working. I'm going to go back. It's like, no. Run the counter now. Run the constraint counter to it now.
Speaker: Because you've got defenses going, oh, we don't have to worry about the run. Oh, shit. They broke one. It's like, run the play action now. Run the play action that is the exact look as the run that just worked kind of thing. But...
Speaker: Now, you might know a little bit more than... And I didn't pay attention to this, but have they been staying away from the play action a lot? I haven't really seen a lot of it.
Speaker: No. So that's the thing. They're running... And I don't have the percentages and stuff, but I think what it is more than anything is it's the situational play action stuff that they're not going to. But I think they're using it. It's just that last week, Dallas just did the thing where...
Speaker: They just killed all of our bootlegs because they were like, backside, you know, the edge to the bootleg side. They're like, don't even bother following the run. If you see anything that looks like a run, we'll just live with what happens with it.
Speaker: And that's why Rashawn had like half of his 10 pressures because he was just chilling. And like, if Jordan turned around with the ball, it's like, hey, I'm here kind of thing. So...
Speaker: I think more than anything, and that's the thing is like, you don't have to bootleg. Like those insert plays where like, you know, you have Watson motion inside and then you run into the flat out of the play action look.
Speaker: That's not a bootleg look. That's a straight play, straight drop back play action play. So I think that's, I think that's just making excuses too. Like it's just, and that goes into game planning where it's like,
Speaker: Matt, it's illegal to run on back-to-back plays. Like, that has to be the mentality. My Boldy, no, I'm not saying you cut him. They need to stay the course and stuff, but Smack, that was god-awful today. And I do appreciate that after the game...
Speaker: And he came out and said, like, yeah, it's on me. I'm not running. You know, he didn't say those exact words, but he's like, hey, like, I'm here to make field goals. And I missed two very makeable ones that probably cost us the game and stuff.
Speaker: The one that I will give him credit on, because they did go back and show the replay, that last one, it did get tipped. So I don't know how much that affected it, but somebody did get a hand on it.
Speaker: Yeah. And the only thing I'll say is like 35 yards. And I don't know if there's just too many cooks in the kitchen. But, you know, like one of the things they said about kicking at Lambeau is like you can't. He's a guy who kicks the ball high kind of thing. And at Lambeau, you kick the ball high.
Speaker: You're in a dome. Kick it how you would normally kick it kind of thing. And I feel like that was one of those too many chefs in the kitchen kind of moment. And the thing is, though, is, like, I don't know if that one had a chance, even if it was. You never know because, yeah.
Speaker: But I was like, it was so low and it looked like it was going that way anyway kind of thing. Like, it didn't help, obviously. But, yeah, it's one of those where it's just like, but, like, you can't be, like, I said it, you know, even in the Bears game, wasn't just...
Speaker: disregarding it, but it's like they were outside of 40 yards and outdoor. This is in a dome under 30 and under 40 yards. You cannot miss these. And then the first one, want to know if you saw it too.
Speaker: And I said this during the live. And again, this isn't making excuses for him because they're all getting paid to do this shit. So they need to be better. I don't know if this is how Daniel Whelan wants it.
Speaker: I don't know if this is how it normally is, but that first kick, I did watch the whole procedure, and Whelan had to catch it here. And I don't know if that's how he's wanting it, but normally you want it out here so you can just go right down. Yep.
Speaker: You want the ball right above where it's supposed to go. So, again, I'm not making excuses for Smack because he's supposed to be doing... At 26 yards, you have to just knuckle that thing through. It doesn't need to look pretty at that point. You just need to push that thing through the uprights and stuff. But...
Speaker: Also, it is one of those like... It's kind of like a musket fight in the Revolutionary War where like if you biff putting that bullet down the barrel, you're dead. Like that kind of thing. And like because everything is so in-close and happening so quickly that yeah, you just don't have a moment to make up for any kind of mis... And especially with like...
Speaker: Acord's explanation for how Smack likes the ball being held and anything. So I don't know if he, like, needs an extra step off the ball to give that operation more time But also, the freaking, like, third highest paid long snapper needs to not snap it into the 6'5 punter's face every other snap. Like, again, is Itemitis perfect? No.
Speaker: But that operation was perfect during the preseason. And, like... Yeah. And for all the people saying, like, give up on him, I'm like, Mason had one of the worst kicking games in Packers history as, like, a freaking 12-year veteran in Ford Field. So this isn't to say that Smack's going to have the career.
Speaker: Crosby had or anything. But it's like, everyone needs to just chill out. People are having too much PTSD. Yeah. But his other field goal, the two PATs, they were fine.
Speaker: And yeah, the shit happens, unfortunately. People are having the PTSD over Anders Carlson. You know, this didn't work the last... No, he's been doing fine.
Speaker: Like I said, you don't... It goes back to LeFleur, don't call stupid shit on the goal line. Glover, don't fuck up pass protection on third and goal.
Speaker: Jacobs, don't drop a pretty perfect pass that would put you up 27 or 26 to 20. Like, this isn't to fully absolve Smack because, yeah, you are in the big leagues and you're getting paid to make these pressure kicks and stuff.
Speaker: But at the same time, like, There's other people who could have done their jobs better too. And yeah, Orzek, third, fifth, whatever the hell he is now, highest paid long snapper. Like, do your freaking... Like, also, you're also indoors and you're snapping it waywardly. So, yeah.
Speaker: right. So...
Speaker: And also Packers D-line stopped jumping offsides on the most obvious jumping offside situations. Okay. Not all the ones in the Packers control out of the way. Are we going in on... No, I have one more.
Speaker: And this kind of caused a disagreement between me and our buddy True North fan. Because I've been ragging on him. The Bo Melton experiment needs to be done. Yeah.
Speaker: He's not cutting it as a gunner. He's not cutting it as a gadget guy. He's not cutting it as a returner. He just needs to be done. Because I know today's target was not the easiest catch. Kind of like you were talking about with the Watson one.
Speaker: But again... It was easier than the Watson one. That needs to be a routine play. Like... And the D. It hit him in the hands. With little hold and stuff. But also, it's like... And I agree with where you're going on this one.
Speaker: Like... I understand... And I know I brought up, like... He has chemistry with Jordan and all that kind of stuff. But... He's fallen into that binky territory where you just cannot give Matt and Jordan the option of putting him on the field on offense.
Speaker: You know the obscure reference I used for him, right? I did this during the live. If anybody's watched the movie Necessary Roughness from the early 90s, this is Stonehands.
Speaker: Because it doesn't matter that he can run a pretty route. It doesn't matter that he can go deep. It doesn't matter any of that if he can't catch a friggin' ball. Yep. He's Orlando Jones from the early parts of The Replacement, too. So, yeah. Like...
Speaker: And, like, not saying Sturtevant makes that play, but he's 6'4", and he would be the one running that route in Melton's place. And he's also the reason that Melton's spot should not be safe on this roster, because he's as good or better as a gunner, and he's a better receiver at this point. So, yeah, like... Like I said, like, that's the thing, is, like, Melton had a clear use and role on this roster up to this point, but Sturtevant's better at everything he does, basically.
Speaker: And... It's just time. And like I said, they won't because they're short numbers anyway and stuff. But if Sky Moore, and there's a lot of ifs here, and he's not, but if Sky Moore were eligible to come off IRDR, I would cut Melton to make room for him.
Speaker: It's to that point that it just- I'd cut him tomorrow just to cut him. I'm to the point where it's getting sickening with him because, again, it's a Stonehand situation where Melton's running deep. Okay, throw him the ball.
Speaker: What happens? It bounces off his hands. Yeah. And that drop, like you said, that target leads to the arm punt because you drop that play.
Speaker: Like I said... we're going to talk about this on the next one, but you drop that one, there's contact, there's pretty clear contact before the ball gets there and stuff, but it's like, and then you're in third and whatever because of topic we're about to talk about next and yeah, so.
Speaker: Should I just play the video first before we? for it.
Speaker: I'm not a big fan of, I don't know how the NFL gonna treat it, but I'm not a big fan of the refs right now. I don't think it's great officiating, if I'm being completely honest. I think it's bullshit a lot of the times. I think there are drives where,
Speaker: They make calls that don't even make any sense. For instance, we had a call, I think it was on, forgot who was on, but the runner was still running and we didn't hear a whistle.
Speaker: We tried to get him down, and then their player hit the ref and he falls. He gets mad on the ground, and he just throws the flag. He don't even know who hit him. So it's just like, it just be bullshit that's going on, bullshit calls.
Speaker: And I don't really, I can't really tell you, because sometimes we're not getting, we're not seeing the same calls for our quarterback. We're not seeing the same calls for our offensive guy. So I just don't really understand. It really don't matter if it's home or away. It's kind of been consistent throughout the year.
Speaker: So, I mean, obviously, like I said, it's not to make it as an excuse, but I just say got to go both ways, man. That's all I say.
Speaker: So obviously we're going be talking about the refs.
Speaker: And, like, Xavier's right, and NFL is going to fine him, but they're lucky he didn't say anything more than that because he was honestly being pretty nice and controlled about his review of the referee because it was a load of horseshit today. And I say this as someone who was able to watch the first two drives of the game and then had to coach my son's basketball game after that and didn't get to watch until the second half of the game, basically.
Speaker: But like everyone to the point of the golden play where he very clearly had his arm held by two hands by number 30 on the Lions that, okay, that's how they've been calling it and it's fine kind of thing.
Speaker: And then all hell broke loose right after that, starting off with the play that McKinney is talking about. And it's not only that those things, but this is, so Demovsky was in the pool report with the ref.
Speaker: And this is the kind of horse shit that NFL refs are allowed to get away with because the NFL is too stupid, cowardly, or just doesn't give a flat ass care about what their refs are saying.
Speaker: I don't even know who asked question. Did the whistle blow before Wyatt tackled St. Brown? We ruled the play was over. I can't honestly hear if there was a whistle or not. What?
Speaker: But then the player... But the tackler made the tackle. The play was over. Then there was additional accident and he basically tackled him over again to force the play over with force after the play was over.
Speaker: So it's if to say that the additional action is probably why he was penalized. It was exactly the additional action. I'm sorry. Head referee doesn't know if a whistle was blown and is saying the play was exactly over.
Speaker: And Matt LaFleur, you can read his lips and he's literally saying, you guys screwed this up last week. And we were lucky we were on offense last week. And now you're telling me that, oh, the play is just assumed dead because... And that's the thing was like with the Watson play last week, they at least were blowing the whistle as Watson got back up to run.
Speaker: Five refs were standing around with their dick in their hands and none of them was blowing a whistle. Like, I know the Mikes can't pick everything up, especially in a dome like at Detroit, but you can tell, I don't...
Speaker: I don't blame Amin Ra in this situation. Like, if he doesn't hear a whistle, he is within his right to get up and run. And it didn't look like he was fully down. It looked like he landed on McDuffie and got up. Yeah, yeah. And so, like, if that action happens and there's no whistle, I don't blame him for trying to get back up and run some more.
Speaker: But also, it's not Wyatt's fault for being like, well, shit, I better go tackle him. And that... Crap is so... That explanation is such a load of horseshit to say, like, the play is clearly over.
Speaker: That's not how this game is refereed. The play is over when you bone brains blow the whistle. And, like... And if he... And I don't know if it's worse that he's like, oh, I'm not sure there was a whistle, or, oh, I heard one whistle. You know, like, because it's like...
Speaker: You guys blow the whistle 40 gazillion times when like you don't know how to review like the spot of a ball kind of thing. And in an actual play, you're gonna flag someone over. Oh, I don't know if there was a whistle, but there was extra action after the play when that was definitely over.
Speaker: That's not how the fucking game is officiated. Okay, next horrible call. Jordan's intentional grounding, which came after a play...
Speaker: where Jared Goff throws the ball. So... Let me just read his explanation for why Jordan was called on the Jordan love intentional grounding. Why was Tucker craft not in, not considered the intended receiver?
Speaker: We ruled that although the quarterback was outside of the tackle box, the past did not make the line of scrimmage. So there was, there's that's where intentional grounding came in. So it doesn't matter if craft was the intended receiver or not. The ball has to get to the line of scrimmage either to the line of scrimmage or into the area where he is. It can't be in the direction. It has to actually reach where he is. If it doesn't get to the line of scrimmage,
Speaker: Okay, that might be how the rule is written, but that is not how the fucking NFL calls this play. They never call it this way. They always err on protecting the quarterback. And there's that bullshit sub law in there that if the quarterback is contacted after he begins throwing the ball, intentional grounding cannot be called.
Speaker: Go back and watch the freaking 2021 regular season game where freaking Garoppolo got away with blatant intentional grounding because he was in the process of being sacked and hooked the ball into the ground two feet in front of him.
Speaker: Then you combine it with the fact that on the drive prior, Goff gets away with a blatant intentional grounding where he is neither outside the pocket nor throwing it to a receiver because...
Speaker: In Love's play, yes, the ball is short of the line of scrimmage, but you can see Kraft in the broadcast view. In the golf play, the side judge who tried, I think, to say that Kraft was the eligible receiver in the facility, because you can see him talking to Alex Moore before the flag is dropped.
Speaker: In the golf play, he's pointing to someone who is not on screen, which is like,
Speaker: Just so many levels of stupid. But... And what's really horseshit about the loved one is... They didn't... They kind of just like... Threw up the graph. And kind of like... Just said like... Oh, there was intentional grounding on the previous play. It's second down.
Speaker: And like...
Speaker: Again... NFL... Your refs are shit... They don't know how to officiate the rulebook. There's no consistency from game to game or possession to possession.
Speaker: And we don't even have to talk about the roughing the passer ones. And two roughing the passer penalties... Alex Moore needs to be investigated for being a gambling plant in this game because the roughing the passer penalty that he called, and yes, he fucking called on, can't remember if it was Cox or Deny Sutton or who it was, but it's the one where, think it was Cox.
Speaker: Is it the one where he was punched in the gut or whatever? That was Cox, yeah. The one where he got thrown into the... Like, he got blocked into Goff. Tries to stop.
Speaker: Tries to grab Goff so he doesn't fall down. The umpire is staring at it the whole way. He doesn't do anything. He's just, like, blowing the whistle to signal the play dead.
Speaker: It is Alex Moore from the other side who cannot see what happened. Turns in and fires that fucking flag in there. It's like, dude... You do not have a right to throw that flag because you are looking at where Goff threw the ball illegally, mind you.
Speaker: Oh, no, not illegally. He was throwing it to the tight end in the flat. But Moore is looking to see whether that pass is incomplete. And then when he looks back after the pass hits the turf and sees Goff on the ground, throws a flag because, oh, my God, it must have been roughing the passer.
Speaker: And then on Detroit's final drive... The Carl Brooks one. That's not the body weight rule. He doesn't take two steps and he lands squarely on the side of Goff's body.
Speaker: And like, again, the NFL's not, and Perron, our buddy Jason Perron said it all the right way. The NFL's not going to do anything about it because they don't give a shit.
Speaker: They know you're still going to watch. And basically the only thing they care about is that in 10 years when some equivalent of the Tim Donahue in the NBA investigation happens, they're only worried about that coming to light.
Speaker: And the more that sports betting becomes a prominent contributor to professional sports and all that kind of stuff, what was the spread for this game? Detroit minus three.
Speaker: I know. I said it on the live and I said it on Twitter. I said that if I had any kind of inkling that the NFL was infiltrated by the gamblers, this game would set it off. The Minnesota game was close.
Speaker: This one... put it over because the first half, you didn't have a lot of these bullshit calls. Yeah, maybe, whatever, but they were pretty solid down the middle.
Speaker: Then when the Packers looked like they were going to take over the game, that's when everything started happening.
Speaker: So I don't understand it. The other one I want to throw out there real quick, and I just... remembered it because I was looking at Reddit because there was something I wanted to pull off Reddit.
Speaker: The first down, or not the first down, the false start there towards the end of the game that gave them a new set of downs to be able run the clock.
Speaker: All of them were jumping around doing whatever, pointing to, you know, basically was taunting. We just saw Matthew Golden last week get flagged and fined for flexing.
Speaker: Not necessarily at the player, but just flexing. But these guys can do all that taunting after the offsides?
Speaker: Yeah. And this isn't even a... Because no, Green Bay was still in trouble at that point of the game. But... And then the cherry on top of the shitcake sundae is the NFL tweeting it.
Speaker: And like doing like a did we miss anyone celebrating. And it's like, how fucking dumb are you? Like how fucking stupid are you? We know you are. Like that's the thing is like we know you're stupid.
Speaker: And the way that you know this game was totally lost the plot is when... Marshawn Lloyd's biggest contribution to the game was drawing that personal foul penalty where he gets popped after dropping the pass. And Brady and Burkhardt lose their minds. And every Packers fan is like, you still owe us too.
Speaker: Right. And I get that one. That one to me, I understand that it probably shouldn't have been called. But then again, it's one of those iffy ones. Because if you look at it, he gave himself up. So he was a defenseless receiver at that point.
Speaker: There was no there was no way you knew the ball was in his hands or anything. He gave him some self up. So it was a but that doesn't make it an OK call. That was a bullshit call. That was a football play, whatever. But yes, you know, with all the other calls that they were making, there is no way that that was making up for anything.
Speaker: Yeah. And it's just it's this kind of stuff where like. The NFL has no idea what it's doing because they're like, oh, we don't want to make penalties reviewable again. Because I'm like, you guys ruining your own product by having stupid idiots refereeing your games that don't know what they're doing kind of thing. And like, I don't know what it's going to take at this point because... do.
Speaker: Yeah. But they're not going to do it. Yeah. Guys like LeFleur are going to have to sit there and start... sucking it up and taking the fines and just start calling it out during their press conferences i'm glad that like xavier and a couple other people in the uh why it did too because he was talking about the his penalty and i appreciate the way he approaches like hey like he started running i didn't hear a whistle and nobody here were heard a whistle Yeah.
Speaker: And there is... do appreciate... There is someone who anonymously talked to one of the Packers reporters. I forget if it was Huber or Schneidman.
Speaker: And I'm assuming it's someone on a rookie contract or someone who can't absorb $10,000, $15,000 kind of thing. I appreciate that he's like, yeah, him, you know, in, and they do the like brackets to say like, he's talking about more in an interview. He's like, yeah, he got kicked by a Detroit player, got in his feelings and felt he had to throw off. Like that's the other part of it.
Speaker: He had all the broadcast stations, the NFL, all on Instagram doing the, and they posted all on their Instagram accounts. He still did his job despite falling to the ground. And all the comments are like, so you didn't watch the fucking game, did you? Like, like,
Speaker: And you had even like, JP Acosta, I love JP, but like, you know, he, he had a tweet after the, the Bretton Cox, roughing the passer, where he's like, Packers are so undisciplined. And then he like immediately replied to it, like, oh, that one's crap. Like that one's a load of crap. Like, so it, yeah, it,
Speaker: and, Like I said, what frustrates you as a Packer fan so much is that you should have overcome all of that regardless. But you made your own mistakes too in the wake of it.
Speaker: And, you know, we were talking about it the last three games where it's like they're winning. They're playing B-plus to A-minus games. And, you know, they're winning. And we can laugh off some of their mistakes because they're winning. But, like, this week...
Speaker: You can't because it costs you the game. And you had the opportunity to be second in division still, like nipping at the heels of the Vikings, basically throw double middle fingers up to the NFL and the Lions because you would have like beaten them at their own, you know, you'd have beaten them despite all the bullshit.
Speaker: And because you couldn't get out of your own way, shot both feet off with the shotgun and pistol whipped yourself in the forehead. Like, you just blew it. So this is a position that the Packers shouldn't be at all uncomfortable or, know, unusual being in because they just consistently have done this in the LeFleur era.
Speaker: But it's just super... It's frustrating because, like I said, you had all that going against you and you still put yourself in position to win the game and decided that you would snatch defeat from the clause of victory. So, yeah. Another thing that I brought up...
Speaker: We're already getting sick and tired of these roughing the passer calls and all that shit. Now, with the guys that are pass rush now, what are the flags going to be like when Micah comes back?
Speaker: That's for damn sure. Right. And I, you know, I can see this being another Clay Matthews type season where it just seemed like no matter what Clay did, he was getting hit with a penalty for roughing the passer. So I, as much as I'm ready for, and to be honest right now with the way this defense is playing,
Speaker: If we could get Micah back out there, this would be a lockdown defense. They've been playing damn good outside of a certain somebody who we've called out several times, but people keep throwing out, oh, well, he's playing damn good ball this year.
Speaker: Give him credit for the fourth down stop, but the first half of this game was looking like, oh, God, he's back to being... He's back to getting beat like a drum kind of thing. But just... This could be a great defense once he gets back out there.
Speaker: But, man, if they don't fix this... And like I said, I even offered it. Hire me as Matt's personal assistant. Pay me a modest wage.
Speaker: pay for the fines, and I will call out all the fucking shit going on right now in the NFL.
Speaker: Because that's what it's going to take is some of these coaches just sucking it up, taking the fine, and calling it out. Because look what happened with the replacement refs.
Speaker: You know, it finally took coaches coming out in their press conferences, calling it out in the media, saying, For anything to be done. And what was our reward? We got Jeff fucking Triplet the first game back. So, god damn.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. But, yep. We'll put a bull on it there. We're gonna... Do pregame show. We'll do it a day earlier because we have the Thursday night game. Packers have to. They have to stay above 500 here. Like you.
Speaker: You've just got to keep pace in this NFC. Especially again. The Vikings are the lone undefeated team. Because they're using all their voodoo pixie dust. To stay that way.
Speaker: drop the game to the Lions. And that's the thing. Like it.
Speaker: It really sucks. But. you drop the road one and like you can still beat them at home, but you gotta, you cannot bleed any more ground in this division race because you already need Minnesota to lose two more times than if you beat them. So, like there's no time to feel sorry for yourselves. You just gotta go and bear the weight and figure it out next on Thursday. So that'll do it for us tonight though.
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