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Speaker: Everybody wants to call it a game until the rules are different for them. We're going to get into it. Let's get it.
Speaker: Welcome. First of all, welcome. This is Unsolicited Perspectives. I am your host, Bruce Anthony, here to lead the conversation in important events and topics that are shaping today's society. so Join the conversation and follow us wherever you get your audio podcasts. Subscribe to our YouTube channel for our video podcasts, YouTube exclusive content, and our YouTube membership.
Speaker: Rate, review, like, comment, share. Share it with your friends, share with your family, hell, even share with your enemies. On today's episode, this Sibling Happy. I'm here with my sis, Jay Andrea. We're talking about the line between hustle and fraud, the alleged cocaine operation running through Penn State fraternities, and why some men would rather sabotage the relationship than simply be honest and walk away.
Speaker: But that's enough of the intro. Let's get to the show.
Speaker: What up, sis? What up, brother? I can't call it. I can't call it. You just had a birthday. Just had a birthday. I just had a birthday. Yes. Shout out to all the Leos out there.
Speaker: Specifically August Leos. But, you know, July Leos. Love y'all too. Yeah. I mean, tell me about it. Tell us about it. Me and you had a personal conversation about what you did, but tell the audience, you know, what you got into, what was going on. Oh, I had a lot of fun. So actually, ah Saturday, I went to my alma mater to the new student orientation.
Speaker: for the Masters of Science and Analytics. And I did an alumni panel just talking about the transition from, ah you know, academia to corporate life.
Speaker: And then went out to a really dope Mediterranean spot with my close friends and had a lot of fun. cannot show.
Speaker: too much regarding that but they had they had the you know the ladies come to the table with the sparklers and the big you know electronic happy birthday sign and a little cake and so I got to blow out the candles it was really fun ah and then Sunday was rum punch brunch and that is just an all day Caribbean party and it was ninety s day So your girl was living her best life, definitely showing my age because they were like, it was a lot of 90s deep cuts that if you weren't born there you in in that, or like raised in that area, you wouldn't know these songs. Like through some early 2000s in there, but it was mostly 90s and I loved it. So had a lot of fun, had a lot to drink, which is always great. But shout out to my friends, honestly, because when I tell you I was at Room Punch,
Speaker: I always had a full cup of water in my hand. Even when I drank all of the water, i would I would see another cup come from my peripheral. A hand would take the empty cup and another hand would and and ah hand me the full cup. So I always had water.
Speaker: they i don't even know how many cups of water I had. But I woke up the next day feeling real good. So I guess it worked. Shout out to my friends. Yeah, shout out to them because I've tried that before in the past and all I get is yelled at Because here's the issue when i go out somewhere with you. You haven't done this like recently. This is the past. Yeah, this is a long time ago. This is a long time ago when both of us actually drank a lot heavier. Like i don't I only drink socially and even then I might only have like one or two. Sunday I had way more than that, but
Speaker: Typically, I drink socially. But you would, let's get another round. Let's get another round Let's get another round. You'd be like, go, go, go. And so I'm trying to keep up. And then you start to get mad that I'm drinking so quickly. And I'm like, you're handing me the alcohols.
Speaker: And then you angrily ask me to drink some water. See, that... yeah I don't think it was angrily. I think you don't. like, some water. That's yeah exactly the way that you say it. That's not angrily. That is being concerned and assertive.
Speaker: Audience... You tell me, and I promise you this is the exact tone, cadence, everything. Drink water. Like, that does that not sound slightly aggressive? I would say you need to drink some water.
Speaker: No. It was the the tone. That was not the tone. The tone was way more aggressive. This was, they never told me to drink the water. They just kept handing me cups of water.
Speaker: And so I'm thinking, hey, y'all handed me another drink. I'm drinking it. It's water. And then I go, ah, it's water. They're like, yeah, drink it. You know, drink it. Go ahead. And so they just kept handing me water. Yes.
Speaker: Okay. I respond better to you know, just be calm about it. You get very, you got very aggressive. Again, this is in the past. Yeah, it was in the past. I don't remember the last time I did that.
Speaker: oh, I had to have been, if not my twenty s then definitely like my early 30s. Because a couple years ago, a couple of years ago, we went to a pop-up party in Atlanta.
Speaker: think it was Christmas Eve. Yeah. We got... Yeah, true. true li and i didn't do it then so i don't know i don't know when it was the last time i did it it's a lot of we're goingnna get into in the third segment there's a lot of things i used to do back in the day that i just don't do anymore and yeah part of it is is just maturity Yeah, you grow out of it. you You had your birthday celebration Saturday and Sunday, and and Monday you had to turn around and go back to working. And you enjoy your job. You yeah got you started your job in January. You enjoy your job. You've been working there for for a little while. Would you ever get another job? I'm not talking about quit your current job.
Speaker: I'm talking about add another job. Yeah, it depends. You know, like I can see you got to have multiple streams of income, especially if you are unmarried, not necessarily single, just unmarried. Like you got to have multiple streams of income sometimes. Like, especially like if I have a plan, like I want to do something, I want to buy something, I want to travel somewhere and I want to bring some extra money in Sure. I'd add a second job.
Speaker: Well, as as somebody that has multiple jobs, I can't i can't say that I wouldn't because I'm already doing it. But I was on the Grams earlier this week and I saw this post.
Speaker: And the post was a story about a 29-year-old who supposedly got arrested for secretly working 11 remote jobs, living in France and Italy, going back and forth. And he was working 11 remote jobs, supposedly in this story, at the same damn time, making almost a million dollars. That's what the story shareded said. People were calling him a legend. They were sharing the story, celebrating the hustle. But there is just one problem with this particular story.
Speaker: Guess what that problem is? i it depends It depends on what he did for a living. that Did he have to sign NDAs? or like Not NDAs. Non-competes? Well, it doesn't matter because the story was completely made up. Because that's the internet. But there are stories that are real like this. But I want to get into, and I'm going to get into that, but I want to get into people thinking what they see on the internet is real I got into a full-fledged argument with somebody earlier today.
Speaker: And they're watching. Yeah, I'm throwing you under the bus again. And they said, hey, you know the multiverse is real. oh And I said, no, it's never been proven. I believe in the theory, but it's never been proven. No, it has been proven.
Speaker: I think it's an interesting theory. i don't know that I believe it. I think it's interesting. But yeah, there's no... What? No. Yeah. So for and gentlemen who don't understand what the multiverse is, it's just... There are multiple theories, but that there are multiple Earths.
Speaker: And there are different versions of us living on different Earths at the same time. Yes, in different like dimensions, realities, yeah universes, whatever, that are that are outside of our own, essentially.
Speaker: And I believe in the theory, right? I can't say that it's real. i just, I believe in it I believe when people have deja vu, that that's really what it is. I believe when people have very vivid...
Speaker: drains like that actually felt like that really happened that it that they're just seeing something through another eyes and in different reality okay i think that's past lives I think that's bad pops. That could be that too. yeah So this person was going back and forth with me, and they were like, look it up.
Speaker: And so I Google searched it. And the first thing that popped up is, no, the multiverse has not been proven. I said, see, it hasn't. Well, no, because quantum computing proves the multiverse.
Speaker: I said, what? Okay. And yeah and and what it got what it got down to was one particular person who had developed a quantum chip said that the mathematics proves that there's a multiverse.
Speaker: And I said, bruh, That's not how this thing works. Like there needs to be research. It needs to be a scientific study. there needs yeah It needs to be done over multiple times to prove something is real. Just because one person said something that you want to believe is real does not mean that it's real.
Speaker: it It has to be the ability to be replicated. It has to be repeatable. Like that, that's, it can't just be, i found this thing. That means this exists. No, other people also have to test it and experiment it and experiment and get the same or similar results.
Speaker: Right? We know there are multiple galaxies, multiple solar systems. We can see them. We can literally see them. That's proof. I was like, we can't see the multiverse.
Speaker: Ain't nobody proven that it's real. It's not real. Well, i don't know. People are saying. I said, you know what? don't And they were like, okay, well, next time that I bring up something, I'm going to come with sources. I was like, yeah, i looked up your sources this time and it was you were still wrong.
Speaker: i was like, I need you to think. Hey, listen, it's going to be national news. It's going to be global news. That's not something that they're going hide.
Speaker: It's not going to be hidden. that It's going to be on the front page of everything. It's going to be all over the television. it NASA will report out. though It will be news. It will be news. Somebody is going to win a Nobel Prize for it. But why am I bringing all this up when I started talking about this story about job stacking?
Speaker: Now, it's actually a thing. This particular story is not true, but job stacking is a thing. Prime example. Something that happened not too far from here, not too far from where I live, right outside a Pentagon in Virginia.
Speaker: Young woman, a 41-year-old, Naomi Almanor. Sure. Sure. ah Was billing three full-time jobs at once, including TSA and other federal agencies. She signed time cards claiming she worked 120 hours in a 40-hour work week and had three laptops running at the same time and made sure every employer thought that that they had her full attention. She pleaded guilty to wire fraud and could face 20 years. Now, why did she do that? Because of time cards.
Speaker: Right. You there's nothing wrong with having multiple jobs. But what you can't do is scam your job out of money. Yes. Like, hey.
Speaker: That's common sense. You would think. No, definitely is like, you know, you're lying on your time card. Don't do that. Just just straight up.
Speaker: Don't do that. don't lie on your time card. They're going to catch you. Yeah. Well, okay. This is what I will say. Back in the day, back in the day, back in the day when we actually had to fill out time cards.
Speaker: Right. I used to lie on that mug sometimes. Yeah, I used to lie on that mug sometimes. and okay I used to leave work early sometimes because I was getting paid hourly at this rate. This is young. This back in the This college times. I'm getting paid hourly. Yeah, you think I didn't write down that I wrote that i worked eight hours two weeks ago on that Monday? Because they weren't paying attention to when I left early and when I didn't leave early.
Speaker: There was no written, hey, Bruce left early. You not going remember a week ago that I left early or came late on a Wednesday. You just not. So I did. I did. I used to do that. Every now and then I used skate. I was working 32 hours and was claiming 40.
Speaker: Hey, everybody, don't do that. Don't do that. But I did it. Because you can go to jail. Special of year, a federal employee. There was another woman, Soham Park.
Speaker: That's what we're going to 2025, she was a software engineer was accused of secretly working for multiple Silicon Valley startups at the same time, drawing base pay offers of up to roughly $21,000 per job.
Speaker: Exposed publicly in jankton. Soham Parekh. Say what? The name is Soham Parekh. Yeah. Well, I said Parekh.
Speaker: Close. Close. Jeffrey K. Armstrong. I can say that one. Yes. In 2011, a 51-year-old in South Reading, Virginia, not too far from where I'm at, was charged with wire fraud for holding jobs at the U.N. and the National Labor Relations Board at the same time, drawing salaries of roughly $160,000 and $121,000.
Speaker: There is nothing wrong with selling your skills. i'm a One of the things I do as a consultant, it doesn't matter how many jobs I take on because I'm consulting.
Speaker: Yes. I'm not working for a company. I'm working for myself. And even if I was working for a company, if I was a consultant, I could still consult with other companies as long as there's no conflict of interest.
Speaker: Yes. And the most important thing is if you're going do job stacking, which in and of itself is not illegal. What becomes illegal is when you start doing fraudulent stuff by trying to get paid for things that you haven't done.
Speaker: Also, if you have a non-compete, you can't you can't take on multiple. Typically, federal federal jobs, you you and the have a non-compete. like You can't just take on a bunch of other jobs if you sign that.
Speaker: Yeah. I mean, you can't do that. But i fought I found this funny because, one, I didn't know this was really a thing. Because even though I do multiple stuff, yeah one of them is really only a full-time job.
Speaker: Right? I couldn't imagine trying to work two or three full-time jobs like everybody hates Chris' daddy. Yeah. Yeah. Or our grandfather who worked two full-time jobs every day.
Speaker: Yeah, no. i I was talking about if I took on another job, it's part time. Part time, yes. And even then, it's is's not going to be a lot of hours. It's not worth it because I'm not going to be working a whole lot of hours. cause I'm tired.
Speaker: You tired already? Right now, you got an extra part-time job. Right. I'm tired with just one. I'm tired thinking about adding a second job. So, no. I can't imagine working two full-time jobs, but for a lot of Americans, that is a reality. And and there's nothing wrong with working full-time jobs. Differences, disclosure, and honesty, right? Yes. There were a lot of people. I heard this really catching on during a pandemic because just about everybody went remote. And people figured you know, I can really work.
Speaker: two jobs at the same time. And maybe you can pull it off where you don't fall behind deadlines and all that stuff and and your work is still sufficient and and satisfactory. Which, by the way, if your work is sufficient and satisfactory and that's all you want it to be, that says a lot about who you are. But some people are like, yo, a job is just a paycheck. I'm not going to put more effort into it than what I need to put into it. And I'm not going to knock that either.
Speaker: But like I said, disclosure and honesty. If you're going job stack, which is not a crime, fraud is a crime. If you're going job stack, just make sure that you're doing it the right way.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. Like you're working a job, you get off that job, and then you start another one. That's how you, they don't overlap.
Speaker: That's That's the key. Sometimes my jobs overlap. Sometimes I'm answering emails for one thing while I'm doing something else. But I feel like that's... You don't have set hours. Like, most people like that run into this issue, they got a 9 to 5. Yeah, this is typically people... What they're talking about are john what they're talking about is people doing multiple in that nine to five range Yes, yes. That, you get you can't do that.
Speaker: Homegirl had three laptops going on the same time and would just move the little mouse, move the little mouse head, the little mouse to make it seem like she was on task. But later in that particular article that i was reading about her, one of the things that got her caught up was,
Speaker: A lot of times people couldn't get a hold of her. Customers were complaining and saying that they couldn't get a hold of her, but she was supposedly working. And that's what got her him done. yeah So like I said, if going to do it, do it right.
Speaker: Do it right. Yeah. ah Well, speaking of people working and doing multiple things at the same time, These kids in Penn State was out here hustling and going to class. We're going to get into that next.
Speaker: All right, Jay, like I said, these kids in Penn State, they was they were selling kilos. That's crazy. so i did not hear this. Okay, so let me give you the background. So it's the Penn State Frack Cocaine Ring. Operations Drugs Unlimited. crazy.
Speaker: What the operation was called bust them. On August 17th, 2026, Pennsylvania Attorney General Dave Sunday announced charges against 14 people tied to an alleged cocaine trafficking operation run out of two off-campus Penn State fraternities at the University Park campus. The case named Operation Drugs Unlimited opened in September 2024,
Speaker: When a state college detective used confidential informants to buy from both houses, the alleged conduct ran through 2023 and 2024. Everyone is charged, not convicted yet. And the case still has to be proven in court. Here's some of the key facts. 14 people were charged. 13 were Penn State students at or around the time. The 14th the father Penn State.
Speaker: of one of the students accused of hiding drugs and cash in a safe at least four of the charged are current students. Kilos of cocaine were brought from Philadelphia and New York into State College, then cut and packaged for sale primarily to Penn State students. It was not sold to strangers or the general public, mainly just to other students. The drugs were cut. Here's the key. The drugs were cut and bagged mainly at the Sigma Chi and Delta Epsilon houses using frat brothers and pledges as labor.
Speaker: Sunday said that for some pledges, cutting and packaging cocaine was an indoctrination into the fraternities. Payments were made mostly in cash or through payment apps.
Speaker: Mm-hmm. Augusto. Augustino. Okay. ah okay Augustino. Augustino. Augustino. August
Speaker: Yo, I'm bad with names. And y'all wonder why I didn't want to be a teacher. Can you imagine what these kids' names are? All right. He's 24. He's accused ringleader. Grand jury witnesses called him the largest dealer of cocaine to Penn State students. Sunday put him at a very top of the chain with Thomas Robinson and Rung Below. Yeah.
Speaker: Augustino surrendered Tuesday after missing his Monday arraignment and was ordered jail without bond. Look, I'm not going to go through all the charges for each and every one of the people. Penn State has put both of the fraternities on supervision, and they didn't recognize Sigma Chi because it operates outside a university oversight, so it's not official university fraternity, but it is a fraternity. Gotcha. Asked whether hazing charges would be filed. Sunday declined to answer. You know, I don't know why they would in hazing charges. They got them on crack cocaine. Yeah, they got them on crack cocaine and conspiracy and all kind of things. Corruption charges. You going to add hazing in there too? Ain't no point.
Speaker: Listen, here's the thing. ah Here's the thing.
Speaker: ah Okay, some hazing... like Okay. Yes. But you... Listen. You ain't gotta cut and bag cocaine. like You don't have to do it. Nobody... and That's not the fraternity for you. That's not the one for you. If you in there like it's New Jack City and you and your drawers cutting and bagging cocaine...
Speaker: off campus after you done got out of world history, but ah your 9 a.m. world history class. Like, you did you've made some bad decisions in your life, if that's where you ended up Also, y'all are not drug dealers. You are college students, and that is exactly why you got caught. hey, y'all.
Speaker: hey hey y'all
Speaker: Don't do this. It's just like job stacking and the fraud. dr its ah The whole whole episode is going to be don't do this. But hold on. Okay. I'm going to dig deeper later into something that you just said. Because you said they're college students, not drug dealers. You could be one and the same. Drug dealers can be college students. College students can be drug dealers. Well, they are actually. They are drugs. Well, though allegedly.
Speaker: Allegedly. Allegedly. but Allegedly. pretty... so I think they've been working on this for two years. They they had the Carter. They had the Carter. The Carter's from New Jack City, y'all. The thing about it was they had k connects in New York and Philadelphia. Right? That's crazy. This is an interstate, right? when you Yes.
Speaker: When you say that ah that you're getting a product which is cocaine, ladies and gentlemen. I'm trying to be soft with it. When you get the product from another state, you bring it in-state with an intent to distribute. That's interstate trafficking. That's a federal charge.
Speaker: Yeah. That's a federal charge. these And y'all know that because y'all got criminology at 10 a.m. on Tuesday. Yeah. My thing is, look, these kids, I get it when I grew up in the 80s and the 90s. Hell, the majority of the shows that I watch right now, I got to do with crime and drug dealing. I'm watching the Westies right now. Fantastic show with J.K. Simmons is starring in. And and it's just like they dealing cocaine.
Speaker: There is a fascination with dealing drugs. And if you go and deal drugs, and this is not a PSA on dealing drugs, but this is just common sense. You started it like that. No, but if you... it Common sense is if you go and deal drugs, minimize your exposure as best as possible.
Speaker: Yeah. and and And one of the ways to do that is by making sure that you're not... Making your pledges. People that's not even guaranteed to get in the fraternity.
Speaker: Right? Yeah. Yeah. Bag. Not just bag. Cut and bag. these These dudes, especially the way now the government is treating fentanyl. And I know a lot of people came with fentanyl. And all and yeah you just you just bag it. You got regular school. You got homeboy.
Speaker: That's from Des Moines, Iowa. Yeah. You got Michael Rappaport from how, not how high, what's the John Simmons? Higher learning. Higher learning that was from someplace Idaho that yeah made it to the big city, not really, but to him, at State College of Penn State, joining a fraternity, cutting and bagging cocaine. and it And it isn't even like the University of Middle of Nowhere.
Speaker: This is Penn State. oh Right. Right. Yeah. All you got to do is piss off one privileged student.
Speaker: hu One student that don't have the money, but says that he's good for it or she's good for it. And you say, no, no money, no product for them to snitch.
Speaker: That's the reason why they had informants giving them up. Yes. yeah Yes. You got to know, you got to know who your clientele is and if they going to tell on you. And guess what?
Speaker: People, people, when they get in trouble, gon' tell. Yeah. Because now I realize, okay, these are federal charges. I'm gonna go ahead and start talking so that I can get whatever. I'd rather be a witness...
Speaker: than a defendant, okay? So I'm gonna start talking. I'm talking. Look, you've been accusing me of it since before you could even speak, that I'm a snitch. And I'mma just be real honest. I used to always say, you know, if I get caught up and we doing something together and I'm the one who get arrested, then I'mma keep my mouth shut. And nine times out of 10, I probably would.
Speaker: But if I'm facing real time and if they're going send me to a real dirty prison, like they send me like to a new, like just been built prison, that's going to be pretty clean. You still got to use the bathroom in front of people. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, you know, I can't do that. So I'm going to talk. I'm going talk. i know I'm going to talk. But I want to go back to something that you said earlier when you were like, hey, the college students.
Speaker: You shouldn't be doing this. Well, the AG's own framing of the story was really focusing on what this operation is. And and he was like, there's nothing junior or childlike about this type of conduct. This was an upper level trafficking organization for this region. He is deliberately refusing to let boys will be boys apply here. So, and and I saw I read the article and then I saw some news reports, some local news reports in the area of them interviewing people because the ringleader is the son of a partner in a law firm around there. Oh, boy. Of course. Right.
Speaker: Right. And they were just like, I wouldn't expect them from these type of people. They're good people. Like, good people can't do bad things. And I wanted to get into specifically this perception of where their drug deal is. Drug dealers to everybody are supposed to look a certain way. And we become surprised when they look like this. When in reality, there have always been drug dealers that look like this. This isn't a new thing.
Speaker: dealers yes this you know da yeah dealers on college campuses i know for a fact i went to university of maryland where yeah to my knowledge we had no operations like this yes i was thinking more along the along the lines of how high you know you dealing we you dealing uh x you dealing uh adderall on the college campus This, like like the a g said, this was an upper-level trafficking organization. This was like mob-level.
Speaker: Right? This was a highly organized upper-level. So this is not... the the typical people that I would think of, students at... at Is Penn and Ivy or is you Penn and Ivy? You Penn is Ivy. Penn State is Ivy. I know a couple people that went to Penn State and it's not Ivy. I i bring that up to them all the time because they always want a big... I'm a nitty line. I was like, I'm a Terp.
Speaker: Okay? I'm a Terp. And University of Maryland is a public Ivy. So just go put that out there. yeah Anyway, but like, yeah, this is not the typical... I'm thinking...
Speaker: guys in suits, cartels. I'm thinking upper echelon type. now I'm not thinking college students running something at this scale. This scale this scale is crazy. One of things that really made it crazy for me, the story was, is that at the University of Maryland, I knew people who were dabbling in street narcotics. Yeah.
Speaker: yeah that were absolutely students who were you who were used who were selling it to pay tuition. right yeah They were using it as a means to be like, look, I can't afford this school because University Maryland, even in state, was still expensive. yeah And so I'm using it as a means.
Speaker: And it wasn't, and they were like real picky, you know, what they did. Because i said i i knew i knew of them a couple of personally. was like, hey, you know, you're being real risky out here. yeah I know you're doing it and I'm not a customer or anything like that.
Speaker: Other people around know that you're the person that they can get it from. and Maybe you need to chill out a little bit. But this scale, what really surprised me was that they have multiple sources to get the product and that everybody on campus knew these were the people because they were exclusively dealing with the students. Yeah. And then the the the cutting in the bagger, that's just, like that's for me, if you had people that was like, hey, I want in on this.
Speaker: Right. Okay. But you using that as you want in on this fraternity over here in this fraternity, we sling rocks. Right. We get on that white. So, what's up? Like, I'd be like, I don't think I'm check out, you know, Delta, Delta, Delta down the road. Because I don't think this is for me. Is that the fraternity from nerds?
Speaker: I don't know. To the nerds? I think it is. It might be. Delta, Lambda, Delta, or something like that. Something like that. I don't know. Yeah, I'm to just check them out down the street. Because this ain't for me.
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, and in a way, kind of having this idea this idea of yeah, you wouldn't expect these kids to do it.
Speaker: Yeah. can Can have you fly under the radar because nobody would expect you to do it because, once again, the perception is somebody that came from an affluent background. not saying that they all did, but the ringleader did. Came from an affluent background, got into college, obviously doing something with their life, wouldn't do something like this. And and it it if If I didn't say college campus, if I didn't say Penn State, immediately people would think of, oh, kids on the corner. And immediately they would think of poor people, primarily poor people, and people of color.
Speaker: Right. My mind went to cartels, like because I'm thinking again at this scale, at this level, I'm not thinking the kid on the corner.
Speaker: I'm not thinking him. I'm thinking like you're there is no middleman. They're sourcing it straight from New York. I mean, there could be a metal man. Maybe. Yeah, probably. But like, it's not like they was going to Colombia or Mexico. You know what I'm saying? Like, so I, my mind did not go to a small scale operation for something like this.
Speaker: I just, I found it important that the AG is making a real effort to point out.
Speaker: Being very intentional about, no, this is... This is not boys will be boys. This is not something where you should say, oh they made a mistake, let's work on it Because...
Speaker: The first people that you see, whether it was a cartel or whether I saw whether i think most people would see street level, h they would see the people differently and they would immediately want to throw the book at them.
Speaker: yeah But for these kids, because they're in different social economical, and it's not solely color, It's not solely color. it's it's That has something to do with it, but there's a socioeconomical element to it that says, oh, you know, they're doing something with their lives. Let's let's not be too harsh on them. As opposed to looking to the people that come from poor backgrounds and saying,
Speaker: Throw the book at them and not look at them as maybe this is the only thing that they got to get out of circumstances that society has put them in. And it's that perception versus the reality. How is the same story and how people will respond to it. And that's the reason why, as I dug deeper into the story and the AG being like, no, no,
Speaker: No. This was a, fought we we have arrested 14 people. This was not slap on the wrist territory. No, it this was multiple, we were investigating over multiple years. We had multiple informants. We know that they had multiple buys and sales. This ain't, this ain't no little, I'm a nickel and dime. No.
Speaker: He made a point of saying they sold kilos because that's a clear, that's a buzzword. When you say somebody was selling Kilos? And I knew you I know you moving weight.
Speaker: You... and What did my man Future say? Gotta move down. Can't sing it too much, because then YouTube will cut this out. YouTube might cut this out anyway, because we were talking about drug dealing. But, Jay, just just as a final touch... Yeah.
Speaker: What do you find troubling, and what do you find hilarious? i could I can tell you what I find troubling is
Speaker: then it that they don't fit the typical image you have of high-level drug dealers, right? Because like you said, especially the ringleader, he wasn't doing this for tuition,
Speaker: Right? It comes from an affluent family. This is a ate an expensive school that you got to have some good grades to get up in here. Yeah, you do have to have good grades to get up in there.
Speaker: Okay, so it's like you wondering, like, what was the motive? Just the money? As Jay-Z said, the allure of breaking the law is almost so much. It's almost so much for me that can't. It's almost much for me to ever ignore. Damn, you did the Jay-Z quote better than me, and that's my favorite song. Anyway, look, Kilos from Two Cities, Cut Houses, Runners, Cash at Apps,
Speaker: It's not being on the corner. It's not a trap house. But you would say you they needed a mandatory minimum. Same situation here. These people need a mandatory minimum. If it's proven in court that they do it. Just because it's a frat house instead of a trap house doesn't mean that...
Speaker: These are promising students that that we should give them a chance when systematic racism and infrastructure would say those kids on the corner automatically get the mandatory minimum. There's perception. There's reality. The reality is this was a major trafficking situation, allegedly, and they should face major trafficking time.
Speaker: Yeah. ah Throw the book at them. if If they're convicted of this, throw the book at them. Throw it at them. You throw it at everybody else, throw it at them. Throw it at their ass. Throw it at their ass.
Speaker: All in the crack.
Speaker: No pun intended. Since they were dealing
Speaker: Okay. Jay, you sent me something the other day. And you was like, is this real? And I was like, yeah. I used to do it all the time. And it was these two guys... talk Actually, i don't need to tell everybody what it was. yeah You tell everybody what it was. Yeah, it was obviously people on the podcast. Two men, and they were having a conversation. And one gentleman asked the other, have you ever broken up with a woman? And he said no. That he just acts like a jerk until she leaves.
Speaker: And I'm like, that... can't be true so i sent it to you and you're like yeah yeah yeah and i i find that yeah that's sad you here here's why here's why i find it so sad because masculinity tells us that assertiveness, right?
Speaker: you Your voice, speaking up for yourself, be a you know, that that is a trait of manhood. And it just feels like such a punk way to break up with somebody. You just act terrible until they leave you. And how long does that take? Like, here's the thing. It depends on her, right? How much she's willing to put up with how much she's willing to take. And so you get these relationships where het He don't even like her. And it's obvious.
Speaker: It's obvious. So, like, when I see that, now it's like clicking into place of like, oh, he don't like her. He want to break up. But she hasn't done it yet. And he's not going to do it.
Speaker: That's insane to me. yeah need the psychology behind that. and Well, I haven't done any. Look. I haven't done no peer reviews. I haven't done no studies. i can only tell you from my experience of one personally doing this and being around other men who have done it. And what it collectively amounts to is we don't want to be the bad guy.
Speaker: That's all it is. That's all is. In our minds. Yeah. If we break up with the woman, we're hurting her. But if she breaks up with us, she'll be okay. Not not done right yeah yeah yeah not realizing that by being the jerk along the way, we're literally making her life miserable. Like I said, I stopped doing this in my mid-20s. When I met my ex-wife, that's when I stopped.
Speaker: And don't get me wrong. I tried with her, too. Yeah!
Speaker: I tried with her too. Yeah. She wasn't having it. And I was like, oh, well, I guess I'm stuck with this one. And then realized that, wow do i want to why do I want to leave? This is okay.
Speaker: Right? yeah But every every woman before that, you know, recently I just rejoined Facebook specifically to address a different audience for the podcast people told me we were missing out on. so yeah But I had to re reactivate my personal page in order to start the business page.
Speaker: And I see all these old women that I dated. All of them. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, oh, yeah. I remember this one took a little while. This one took a little while. Like some of them, one person in particular took a year and a half.
Speaker: Yeah. That's insane to me that you would waste her time and yours. Don't want to be the bad guy. But you're already the bad guy you were for a year and a half. Not the bad guy in my mind. See, that's the understanding. That's the psychology from me and the men that I've interacted with that have done this. I can't speak for everybody.
Speaker: Right? right It's I'm not the bad guy in my mind at that time because she's the one breaking up with me. And there's a sob story. The manipulative side is there's a sob story for the next woman that we hollered at. What was your last relationship like? It was like this and that. Well, what happened? She broke up with me just one day up and out the blue. I don't even know what the hell was going on. She she left me. But, you know, I'm better for because now I get to spend time with you.
Speaker: I wouldn't have been able to be here with you if I was still with her. So I'm thankful that she left me. Y'all didn't work dance. Think about what I just said, though.
Speaker: I think about it, and I have never been broken up with. I am always the dumper. and Well, damn.
Speaker: I remember the stinkling. I'm going stop doing it. Look, I remember the stinkling. just don't both be miserable for 20 years. I was in college. It was freshman year. And I was walking out of the class. I don't remember the guy's name. He wasn't somebody that hung out with him. He was a class buddy. So you know me.
Speaker: I'm a chatterbox. sitting to Somebody sitting next to me. I'm going to chit-chat. So we became class friends. Yes. And every... Time after the class, we would walk out to the building that would lead out to the yard. And my girlfriend at the time would meet me in the yard.
Speaker: Right. It was clockwork. And every time I'd be cheerful and happy and then the bust open the doors and I would go. He's like, what's up?
Speaker: She about to she about to be here. He's like, why don't you just break up with her? was like, can't I can't do that. You want to know how we broke up? That particular girlfriend? Please tell me.
Speaker: We had a group of friends that we were all mutual friends together. Mm-hmm. And the mutual friends had decided that they were going out to a club, asked me if I wanted to go out to the club.
Speaker: ah was like, yeah, I want go out to club. Yeah. Then she called me earlier was like, hey, ah they're talking about going out to club. Are you going? was like, I'm going. Cool, going to go too. No.
Speaker: so I was like, no, why you want to go? I want to go there and spend time with you. I can't. I mean, they're my friends too. I can't go to the club. I was toxic, ladies and gentlemen. was 19. So I was like, I don't want to that. She's like, Bruce, I don't know.
Speaker: Just I've been thinking. And before she could get it out, I was like, what you trying to break up with me?
Speaker: And that's your attention the whole time. It was my attention the whole time. Because it had been months. And I was like, what you trying to break up with me? To further push it, if I say the words, if I say the words, yeah more likely to just be like, yeah, let's just go ahead do that.
Speaker: And well, if you think that's the best decision, then I'm not going to fault you for it. Yeah, I was an ass. Look, ladies and gentlemen. I was the worst. You didn't even peak game. You didn't even say nothing about how smooth that line was when I'm talking to the next woman about the last woman, about meeting and spending time with her and how that's possible because the last woman left me.
Speaker: I don't ever find those lines smooth. Well, that's because you've got an older brother that's been an asshole and you've seen you seen me in action. But had you not had me as an older brother, do you think that you would have picked up on some of that stuff?
Speaker: I don't know. it firsthand. Yeah, firsthand. I think whenever I hear lines like that, I think my first thought is, I wonder what she would say about it.
Speaker: Like, that's always my first thought. You're a cynic. You're a cynic. But, like, that, that, and I just rarely believe what men say, but, like, also, am i weird? Because i when I'm ready to end a relationship, I do it face-to-face, I tell you why, i and and I try to part amicably, and then I move on. Like,
Speaker: It's so much easier. There's no like rigmarole. You're not dragging stuff out. Like, I'm like, all right, I feel like this has run its course.
Speaker: That's usually my response. Like, I feel like this has run its course or I don't see, you know, I don't really see a future here. Like, it's usually what I say, whether or not that's the actual reason. The actual reason might just be, I don't like you no more, but like,
Speaker: That's hard to say, but, you know, I try to give some sort of reason. Am I weird or am I just manly in a way that men are not? You, like I always say, you were the son our father always wanted. so but Because it and the my thought process is that's how I would like...
Speaker: to be told. Like, that's how I would like to be treated. i think you've told me, I think you've told me this. Don't expect the way you treat people to treat you the same way.
Speaker: Yeah, that's true. You know, so like, and there's a couple of reasons why some women wouldn't do that. Some are punks as well, right? yes Like men are punks, women are punks as well. I've dated yeah more than a few punks. Don't worry about it, ladies and gentlemen. I've got it back. I had a whole ass relationship with a woman who just one day ghosted.
Speaker: Yeah. Ghosted. One day telling me that they love me, next day ghosted. So I've gotten my karma back. Trust me. But, so there's punks out there, but then there's also women that have to look out for their safety. Because you never know how a man is going to react. Because I, since I've gotten past that toxic masculinity grown up immature and mature, now I say, hey, look, this thing's run its course.
Speaker: I don't see any future in it it. It can be, it could come off as harsh, but it it come, i I make it harsh not purposefully mean, just very direct so that there is no wiggle room. I don't want a woman to think that there's a wiggle room to get back in. So I'm very stern and direct. And trying to give the other person closure.
Speaker: That's another thing of like, hey, this ended... I mean, there's... I still believe there's no such thing as closure. like you There is a thing as closure. I think you process your feelings and process a situation...
Speaker: differently Like sometimes, but I think what you, I think what you mean is closer to what people think closure is, is like making sure that door is closed, like making sure they know the door is closed. Like, yeah. I was talking more. Yes, that's what I do. But also what I think you're referring to is emotional closure.
Speaker: Right. And emotional closure, you can't get that to somebody the Somebody has to get that within themselves. So if somebody, people out here are listening are watching and about listening and watching this and and and you like, hey, look, I've been trying to get out this situation. There's no easy way to do it.
Speaker: You gotta just do it. And you can't worry about giving somebody closure or trying to save their feelings. You just got to be real. And the closure that they have to find, they have to find it themselves. yeah You're not responsible for that closure. you're ah You can't break up with them and then keep them on the line. What I mean by that is a lot of people want to break up and still like, we can still be friends. Maybe, maybe, not immediately,
Speaker: Not immediately. You got to give a little little bit more time or else you're going to fall into the trap of the relationship. But yeah yes, men are out here doing it. So if you're finding that you're a man or you're woman, because women will do it as well. Yes. I feel like women, i feel like people, this probably does happen and it could be anybody who could do this. I think men are more purposeful with it.
Speaker: I think women are doing it subconsciously. I think men are doing it consciously. When when a woman finally checks out, When a woman checks out, she's checked out. There's no saving it. There's no nothing. And now she might not end it, but that behavior change, that's because she checked out. She's done. She's been done. I've been there. I've seen it. I know when I was like, oh, okay, this thing is over. You're not willing to say it right now. I'll say it for us because this thing is over because that energy that you were given before ain't here now. But men out there that are listening to this,
Speaker: Yo, man, I'm telling you, it is way worse. You think you saving her, you not saving her. You're not saving her. You hurting her more along the way. And if she love you, a woman's love, they're way more loyal than us guys, way more loyal. They will stick in a fight and fight for their relationship way longer than we will because when they give their love, it is not transactional.
Speaker: It is, I'm giving you my love. You got it. I'm not going to just let it go that easily. For a lot of men out here, that is transactional. So it could be severed pretty easily. It's not the same for a woman. So you're not making it easier for them by being mean in hopes that they break up. And you could be like me, who was in a situation for a year and a half, could not get this girl to leave me alone.
Speaker: Yeah. Well, you could have if you had just been direct. get Well, yeah, yeah. Well, I tried to be direct. I directly cheated on her. Yeah.
Speaker: Okay. I directly cheated on her. But, Jay, this is this is a real thing. Wow. I don't know how prevalent it is in the younger generation.
Speaker: I don't know. But I know Gen X men and millennial men Definitely did that. Wow. That's crazy. I don't know how widespread it was. I don't.
Speaker: Like I said, then I haven't read no peer reviews or done no studies. Yeah. I know people. But then just thinking over my own past is like, yeah, I'm always the one to end the relationship.
Speaker: Yeah. And I'm like, wow. That's trash. It is trans. Because what it is is a transfer of emotional labor.
Speaker: yep Say it again You don't want to put up the the actual emotional labor of ending a relationship because it's not easy to sit someone down and tell them, I don't want you in my life anymore in the way that you've been in my life up to this point. That's not an easy thing to look somebody in the eye and say. That's why a lot of people do ghost or they'll send a text or something like that. We will voicemail, send an email, whatever. Right.
Speaker: Sending an email is crazy. It's crazy. Sending an email, that's crazy. Sending an email is crazy. But like, it happens, right? Because it's not an easy conversation to have. And I feel like most people are non-confrontational. Right. But damn, you wasting your own time. You're cool. Let's get correct.
Speaker: Men are non-confrontational when it comes to women and emotions. Men are very confrontational, but not confrontational when it comes to women and emotions. They run from that, historically speaking, like it's the plague.
Speaker: I guess my thing is like, man up. Like, what the hell? Right. Is that what you want to lead the people with? Yeah. Life sometimes involves tough conversations. Mm-hmm.
Speaker: So what? you still just be Even if you're afraid, even if you don't want to do it, even if you know that it is going to be an emotional and mental lift, that does not negate the fact that you still got to do it.
Speaker: Right. Right. Right.
Speaker: children. Yeah. Well, for me, Jay, All three of these stories come down to three things. And I've repeated it over and over and over again, but I'm going to repeat it again in case you didn't hear it.
Speaker: Perception, accountability, and reality. We love to believe that reality is objective, that the facts speak for themselves. But people don't experience facts in a vacuum.
Speaker: We filter them through who we think deserves sympathy, who we think is dangerous, who we think is successful. and who we think deserves another chance.
Speaker: Take the job stacking. If a software engineer is secretly working five jobs and collecting multiple salaries, some people see hustle. Some people see somebody beating a broken system.
Speaker: But if we're being paid to do one job while secretly doing four others, the reality doesn't change because the person is young, talented, or ambitious. At some point, the question becomes accountability. Did you disclose what you were doing?
Speaker: Did you honor the agreement that you made? At the same principle, we get to this complicated story of fraternity and drug case, right? The reality is that the prosecutors are alleging kilos of cocaine were being brought into State College, cut up, packaged, and distributed.
Speaker: That's serious. But the perception has a way of softening certain stories. We hear college students, fraternity, pledges, kids making mistakes.
Speaker: And suddenly we're talking about potential Instead of the conduct. Now imagine the exact same operation happening happening on a street corner with a different group of young men. Would the language sound the same? Would we be talking about their bright futures?
Speaker: Or would we immediately call them dealers, criminals, and a threat? That difference is perception. And it matters because accountability shouldn't depend on whether society is comfortable looking at you as somebody worth saving.
Speaker: And then there's the relationships where perception gets even more personal. A man who slowly becomes cruel, distant, or impossible to deal with because he wants his woman to break up with him.
Speaker: telling himself he's avoiding hurting her by doing this. But the reality is something else. He's avoiding that dreaded word, accountability.
Speaker: Because ending relationship honestly means accepting that you might hurt somebody, disappoint somebody, or even look like the bad guy. And sometimes that's the price of telling the truth.
Speaker: But here's uncomfortable part people don't want to talk about. The truth doesn't become less true just because it makes us uncomfortable. That's really the thread running through all three of these segments today.
Speaker: Perception asks, how do we see this person? Reality asks, what actually happened? And accountability asks, now that we know what happened, what are we going to do about it?
Speaker: And those three things don't always line up. That's where hypocrisy lives. That's where double standards lives. And honestly, that's where a lot of our problems live. Because we can't keep demanding accountability from people we already decided are bad while creating excuses for people we've already decided are good.
Speaker: At some point, the story has to matter more than the stereotype. The behavior has to matter more than the packaging. And the reality has to matter more than their perception.
Speaker: Ladies and gentlemen, I want to thank you for listening. I want to thank you for watching. And until next time, as always, I'll holla.
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