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Speaker: Welcome, everyone, to Contents May Vary.
Speaker: I'm Angie Fiedler-Sutton, talking to geeky people about geeky things.
Speaker: I'm a proud fangirl geek with pieces published in Stage Directions, Den of Geek, The Mary Sue, and am a regular contributor to The Geeky Area.
Speaker: On April 25, 2024, the Tagland Complex in Hollywood, California...
Speaker: was the home of the 40th Writers of the Future Awards and 35th Illustrator of the Future Awards.
Speaker: I wrote up the events for the geeky area, but there were some interviews that didn't quite make the final cut.
Speaker: So consider this a behind-the-scenes extra for the awards.
Speaker: I have them introduce themselves, so without further ado, here are the interviews.
Speaker: I'm Jodi Lynn Nye.
Speaker: I'm the Coordinating Judge of the Writers of the Future contest.
Speaker: My name is Echo Chernick.
Speaker: I'm the Coordinating Judge of the Illustrators of the Future contest.
Speaker: And then did you see any trends this year or anything that you noticed that was the same or something like that?
Speaker: What about this year spoke out to you?
Speaker: Of the winners, I think that they are unique in their own ways, different subgenres, different types, very different backgrounds.
Speaker: We had a few trends going in some of the submissions, that surprised me, but I don't think any of them actually made it through.
Speaker: They're all wonderful, wonderful entrants this year.
Speaker: We got a lot of great entries and a lot of great winners.
Speaker: I noticed an increase in traditional artists, more people working traditionally versus digitally.
Speaker: A lot of them can work in both, but a lot of them are more oil painters and gouache, which I think is in response to the AI movement and everything.
Speaker: That's encouraging to see.
Speaker: That's great.
Speaker: I like seeing artists that work both traditionally and digitally.
Speaker: I think that they're all mediums in the end that artists should learn to work in.
Speaker: And it's nice to see them working in both mediums.
Speaker: And then for future entries, what would you recommend in terms of advice?
Speaker: Don't follow trends.
Speaker: Follow what you love and what you want to write about because you will always write something better that comes from your own experience, that comes from inspiration that you find instead of trying to chase a vampire trend, a Cowboys in Space trend, you name it.
Speaker: It's always better to go into your own mind because you will do better at that than anything else.
Speaker: This is the future of illustration, so do what excites you and enter pieces that excite you.
Speaker: And the judges can see that you're excited about what you're working on and what you're illustrating.
Speaker: And so just enter what makes you happy.
Speaker: And I try to curate and send along to the judges pieces that are strong and that show the passion of the artist.
Speaker: So don't worry about what style's in style and don't worry about what mediums in style.
Speaker: Just do what you do and send that along.
Speaker: And then is there something that you want to plug yourself?
Speaker: Well, I have a book coming out in October that is in the Eric Flint 1632 universe called The Weaver's Code, and I'm very excited about that.
Speaker: So happy to see that.
Speaker: Proud to be in on Eric's series, and I wish he was still with us.
Speaker: I have a Kickstarter that I've been working on for three years, which is a passion project of mine.
Speaker: I started off my work and actually been working in black and white, and I've been working on this Kickstarter since the beginning of COVID.
Speaker: So when things slowed up a little bit, I was like, you know what?
Speaker: I'm going to work on what I've always wanted to do.
Speaker: And it's going to be live in actually the next couple of days.
Speaker: So the best place to see it, I think, is on my Instagram, which is at Echo Churnik, E-C-H-O-C-H-E-R-N-I-K, or my website.
Speaker: You can find the link anywhere there.
Speaker: And it's for Maya.
Speaker: and it's a lot of the book is in black and white because I think drawing is the best skill an artist can have.
Speaker: And then anything else that you wanted to say?
Speaker: I am always astonished every year, year after year, over the wonderful stories that I get from the writers and all I can say is send me more.
Speaker: Send me stories, send me something else, I can't wait to read it.
Speaker: Enter the contest, even if you think you're not ready to enter the contest, just enter the contest anyway.
Speaker: A lot of the people that come in say, I wasn't sure if I was ready, but I'm feeling more confident now.
Speaker: So just enter and enter every quarter.
Speaker: Even if you have doubts, just enter.
Speaker: No one's going to look.
Speaker: We don't know who's entering.
Speaker: We're not going to think weird of your work or anything.
Speaker: Just enter.
Speaker: Just send in the three pieces and then send them in again and then send them in again.
Speaker: So just enter every quarter.
Speaker: My name is Dean Wesley Smith.
Speaker: I am one of the judges of the writers contest and I was the very first contestant to ever walk across the stage as a winner.
Speaker: So what has changed since you won?
Speaker: Everything, everything.
Speaker: This is a tremendous ceremony now.
Speaker: They do fantastic and really treat the writers.
Speaker: The very first year we were in the back room at Chasen's and the stage was about one foot tall.
Speaker: But it was really an honor to be there that first year and they've just kept improving for 40 straight years.
Speaker: And then I asked Jody too, but what about the entries spoke to you in terms of what made you pick the ones you picked?
Speaker: As a judge, I look for a good story.
Speaker: I look for something that will catch me like a reader and pull me in and make me realize I'm not reading, that I'm actually in a story.
Speaker: That's my main criteria is if the writers can hold me and get me all the way to the end of the story, I think that's fantastic.
Speaker: Do you notice any like similar themes or trends or anything like that?
Speaker: No, I don't think so.
Speaker: Just good fiction.
Speaker: They try to do the best fiction they can, but they're fantasy, science fiction.
Speaker: It's across the board.
Speaker: And what kind of advice would you give yourself if you could go back in time?
Speaker: Oh, make sure I entered that first year.
Speaker: Make sure I entered that first contest because I've come to 29 of these, I think, or 21 of them or something like that.
Speaker: They have the number.
Speaker: And it's just been life-changing.
Speaker: It's been really amazing to be involved with this organization.
Speaker: They are so supportive of young writers, and that's why I'm here is to help pay back to help support young writers like they supported me 40 years ago.
Speaker: And then anything you want to plug that you're working on?
Speaker: Well, DeanWesleySmith.com.
Speaker: You can go there, and I have hundreds of novels.
Speaker: I've written a couple hundred novels.
Speaker: Is there anything new coming out?
Speaker: All the time.
Speaker: When you write that much, it's always coming out.
Speaker: There's always something new.
Speaker: Awesome.
Speaker: And then anything else that you wanted to say that I haven't asked you?
Speaker: No, I just think it's really great that you're here supporting the contest and being part of this contest because that helps support the new writers and the new artists.
Speaker: It's just a wonderful contest.
Speaker: It's worth the support.
Speaker: I'm Larry Niven.
Speaker: I've been writing for about 60 years and selling for about 59.
Speaker: And you're one of the judges?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: What about this year's entries spoke to you?
Speaker: What made you pick the ones you picked?
Speaker: Why did I, how did I pick a winner?
Speaker: Some stories, it's always tough.
Speaker: I'm only reading the four best.
Speaker: And I struggle over it and I make my decision.
Speaker: And then what kind of advice would you want to give someone who wanted to enter?
Speaker: Well, there are a few things worth knowing.
Speaker: Your editor is your best friend.
Speaker: Always listen to what your editor tells you if he tells you something needs changing.
Speaker: When he tells you how to change it, ignore him.
Speaker: And then what has changed since you started out that surprises you the most?
Speaker: In my work?
Speaker: Footfall.
Speaker: We were going to kill the president.
Speaker: One of our editors, Lester Del Rey, found that offensive.
Speaker: He didn't want us to do it, but he made it clear that he'd go with it if we insisted.
Speaker: I thought of a better way to go and Jerry went with it.
Speaker: Jerry Pornel, my collaborator on football.
Speaker: Is there anything that you wanted to talk about that I haven't asked or anything you want to plug or anything like that?
Speaker: Well, yes, but it would take too long.
Speaker: Well, give me an elevator pitch.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Another collaborator, Stephen Barnes, who came to me looking for a teacher.
Speaker: So he was in the student role at first when we first started working together.
Speaker: We're working on our first novel, Dream Park, and trying to get it started.
Speaker: Steve comes to me with a first possible game for Dream Park.
Speaker: And it's a short story with vampires and New Orleans background.
Speaker: And there was no way to stage it.
Speaker: And presently I told him, sell this as a short story and here's what you write.
Speaker: And I worked it out with Los Angeles 50 years underwater, or about half of it.
Speaker: And it was horrible at the time, but it's been 50 years and they've all kind of forgotten how bad it was.
Speaker: So Dream Park can put on a tour of Los Angeles going underwater, but it's not horrible enough unless the dead start coming back to life.
Speaker: I am Nnedi Okorafor, and I'm one of the judges for Writers of the Future.
Speaker: Now, what about this year's winners spoke to you?
Speaker: What made you decide to pick those?
Speaker: Gosh.
Speaker: I mean, I saw a lot of originality.
Speaker: That's really what it was.
Speaker: I always look for original voices.
Speaker: My biggest thing is always voice.
Speaker: And so I saw a lot of strong voice.
Speaker: That was the main thing.
Speaker: Did you notice any similar themes or trends or anything like that?
Speaker: No, I wouldn't say similar themes or trends.
Speaker: I mean, when I'm reading something, I read it as an individual thing, as an individual story, and that's what I go with.
Speaker: And then what kind of advice would you want to give someone who is entering for the first time?
Speaker: Exactly what I said, really.
Speaker: It's like...
Speaker: voice strong voice um... and and don't follow trip the people still follow trends speak um... tell stories from within tell the stories that you want to tell don't think about what other people might want to hear tell the stories that you want to tell and uh... and
Speaker: create story I am always saying this just create stories that come from come from within and then is there something specific you'd like to plug that you're doing coming up see yeah okay fine all right good I have a I have a novella that's coming out called she who knows fire spitter is the first book in a trilogy and that comes out in August of of this year
Speaker: And then anything else that you wanted to talk about that we haven't or that you thought I was going to ask?
Speaker: There are lots of things to talk about.
Speaker: What would you like to talk about?
Speaker: Not really.
Speaker: I mean, yeah, we're here.
Speaker: These are interesting times, and I'm not going to go on that subject.
Speaker: But, yeah, there's a lot to talk about, but, yeah.
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Speaker: And now, back to my coverage of the 2024 Writers and Illustrators of the Future Awards.
Speaker: I'm Kevin G. Anderson.
Speaker: I'm one of the judges of the Writers of the Future contest, and I'm also a prolific and best-selling science fiction author.
Speaker: What about this year's entry winners spoke to you?
Speaker: What made you decide to pick the ones that you picked?
Speaker: Well, this year, we read all the first place winners to pick who the grand prize winner is.
Speaker: And there's usually a story that just stands out.
Speaker: It's the head and shoulders above anything else.
Speaker: And this year, there wasn't one, because they were all the best we'd ever seen.
Speaker: And I don't remember anything like that before, where there wasn't just an obvious winner, that these were
Speaker: all outstanding stories.
Speaker: And I made a point during the workshop weeks and stuff that we were here that I wanted to find those authors to just tell them how much I like their stories.
Speaker: And then what kind of advice would you want to give people who are going to be entering next time?
Speaker: Be awesome.
Speaker: Write something that's really great, but don't try to copy anything.
Speaker: The thing that stands out is that people did something that we haven't seen before.
Speaker: So you can't just look at what's been done before and go, oh, I'm going to do a dragon detective.
Speaker: Those work.
Speaker: Well, you know, we've seen that before.
Speaker: Give me something I haven't seen before.
Speaker: Is there something specific of yours you'd like to plug?
Speaker: Well, right now I've got a brand new Dan Shambles Zombie PI novel that I'm going to start working on.
Speaker: It's my humorous detective series, which I really like.
Speaker: And I'm also launching a Kickstarter in a week for seven volumes of all of my short fiction that I'm putting together.
Speaker: So it's 50 years of all my stories.
Speaker: And some of them are even good.
Speaker: What has changed since you started?
Speaker: Surprised you the most?
Speaker: Well, I hope my writing quality got a little bit better, but I guess what surprised me the most is looking at these really old stories and I'm rereading them going, well, maybe they're not as technically proficient, but they're still really good stories.
Speaker: So I'm really happy to bring them back into print.
Speaker: Is there anything else that you wanted to talk about that we haven't or that you thought I was going to ask but we didn't?
Speaker: Well, this is, I think, my 29th Writers of the Future Awards ceremony where I'm presenting things.
Speaker: And I just love it.
Speaker: I really enjoy paying it forward.
Speaker: And it makes me proud to see all the winners go on and so many of them go on to make careers in the writing business.
Speaker: So I'm happy about that.
Speaker: My name is Bob Eggleton.
Speaker: I'm a judge.
Speaker: I've been a judge for 37 years of the Illustrated of the Future contest.
Speaker: and I've been a professional artist since 1983.
Speaker: That makes it what, 41 years?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Nice.
Speaker: What about this year's entries spoke to you that made you decide the winners?
Speaker: What about it?
Speaker: Each year I just see people getting better and better, you know, and it's really nice.
Speaker: When I started off, see, when we started this contest, I can say that
Speaker: I can look back and we didn't have the technology that we have now.
Speaker: It was all done by mail and it was all black and white line artwork, photocopies, and you had to mark them.
Speaker: And then as we got into the digital age, we got an email and we got into like images online.
Speaker: So we were able to do color artwork, which really brought out the flavor of a lot of great new artists.
Speaker: And I think that, you know, I've just seen them get better and better.
Speaker: And I've seen just jaw-droppingly good work.
Speaker: I mean, it's just really amazing.
Speaker: And to look at it all and make a choice and all that stuff is one of the hardest things ever because art is very subjective.
Speaker: It's like a case of what some people like, other people don't.
Speaker: And that's kind of just the way life is, you know?
Speaker: What kind of advice would you give someone who wants to enter in the future?
Speaker: I would say just keep trying.
Speaker: If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.
Speaker: It doesn't cost anything.
Speaker: It's easy to get.
Speaker: It's just easy to contact them and submit work.
Speaker: And that's how it is.
Speaker: And that's how the best way I can give her advice.
Speaker: And then I've been asking, is there anything specific of yours you'd like to plug?
Speaker: Anything specific of mine?
Speaker: Oh, I'm only just, I'm working on some really fun projects.
Speaker: I'm still working 41 years from when I started.
Speaker: And doing, oh, I just finished illustrating King Kong for a specialty publisher.
Speaker: I'm working on some other projects.
Speaker: I'm working on a wonderful project called ProgCore with my friends Todd Stashwick and David Nett.
Speaker: And Todd Stashwick was from Star Trek Picard.
Speaker: And, uh...
Speaker: And I'm working with all kinds of things at the moment.
Speaker: So it's all going really well.
Speaker: And, you know, it's all changing.
Speaker: We live in a very changing, fast world.
Speaker: And whereas I used to do a lot of book covers and things of this nature, that's not so much the thing anymore.
Speaker: I still do some, but it's a much bigger, we're looking at a much bigger world and a much bigger way of getting art out there to much bigger masses because science fiction, fantasy, all that, it's all become so mainstream.
Speaker: Back when I started, it was kind of culty and kind of like, kind of underground a little bit, a little bit, but then it became, we have all these big movies that are like the number one movies and they're all science fiction and fantasy and we are able to look at these things and it's now mainstream.
Speaker: We are in science fiction.
Speaker: We are in the fabled futuristic year of, you know, futuristic 21st century.
Speaker: We thought we were going to have air cars and all that kind of stuff, but no, we've got AI and we've got computers and we've got, you know, cell phones and all kinds of stuff.
Speaker: Now, is there anything else that you wanted to talk about or something you thought I was going to ask that I didn't?
Speaker: Oh, no, just glad to be here.
Speaker: You know, I'm still doing my thing, you know, doing my thing.
Speaker: And I started off as one of the younger people in terms of a judge of this contest.
Speaker: And now I'm one of the senior guys.
Speaker: Which is kind of like really interesting to watch.
Speaker: It's been a very strange evolution.
Speaker: And I've seen it, the contest go from over 37 years and again changes and all kinds of stuff.
Speaker: And it never ceases to amaze me the amount of work and the good art that I see and the winners and all kinds of stuff.
Speaker: My name is Joni Labacki and I'm the director of the Writers and Illustrators of the Future contest.
Speaker: Have you seen any of the entries?
Speaker: I see them all.
Speaker: What about this year's were different than previous years?
Speaker: You know, they just keep getting better, I gotta tell ya.
Speaker: It's crazy, but the quality, and the judges even say, I have to tell you something, this year the judging was closer than I've ever seen on both sides.
Speaker: That's how high the quality was this year of the winners.
Speaker: And what kind of advice would you give someone who wanted to enter?
Speaker: Here's the deal.
Speaker: You have to find out about it.
Speaker: You go to writersofthefuture.com.
Speaker: The other thing you have to do is you have to be persistent.
Speaker: Don't give up.
Speaker: If you don't win, don't fret.
Speaker: Guess what?
Speaker: We have an online workshop, a free online workshop that you can do that's 25 hours long.
Speaker: And you can take it as many times as you want.
Speaker: Listen to that lecture more than once, five times, ten times, whatever.
Speaker: And it covers every aspect of writing.
Speaker: That's my advice.
Speaker: And also to persevere.
Speaker: That's the main thing.
Speaker: Now, this has been going on for 40 years.
Speaker: What has surprised you the most is what's changed.
Speaker: You know, I would say the diversity of the stories and the reach that we've had.
Speaker: We have winners from all over the world.
Speaker: I literally, 178 countries.
Speaker: That's how many people from different countries have entered this contest.
Speaker: It's crazy.
Speaker: Online is what did it.
Speaker: The internet, oh my God.
Speaker: When that happened, because remember, when we started this contest, there was no internet.
Speaker: And people were hearing about it word of mouth and sending in their things.
Speaker: And then all of a sudden, as the internet gets bigger, so does this contest.
Speaker: Bigger, bigger, bigger.
Speaker: Because we're online.
Speaker: People...
Speaker: You know, how'd you find out about, oh, I was surfing online.
Speaker: You come up as the contest to enter.
Speaker: You go, Writers of the Future.
Speaker: I did it a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker: I'm like, oh my God.
Speaker: We're like, oh my God.
Speaker: Look at that.
Speaker: I guess we are kind of big, huh?
Speaker: When you're so busy every day running it, you don't necessarily think of these things.
Speaker: You know what I mean?
Speaker: You're just doing your thing.
Speaker: So.
Speaker: Was there anything that you wanted to talk about that we haven't or you thought I was going to ask that we didn't?
Speaker: No, just that the winners are always very special to me.
Speaker: They're great people.
Speaker: They're very talented.
Speaker: And we're doing what they don't get in college or in school or anywhere else.
Speaker: They're getting what...
Speaker: famous people have successfully done to launch their own careers and that is precious that's it just doesn't happen anywhere else you know what i mean because all my judges are also very much mentor oriented i want to help the new guy you know there are famous people out there that don't have anything to do with this contest because i don't want them to because they're not into that they're all about themselves
Speaker: We're not about, that's not what this crowd is.
Speaker: They're about helping.
Speaker: Pay it forward.
Speaker: And that's the whole mentality.
Speaker: That we also teach these guys too.
Speaker: It's wonderful.
Speaker: I mean, we have former winners that are now doing all anthologies together, publishing on their own.
Speaker: It's wonderful.
Speaker: My name is Jerome Dubois.
Speaker: I'm R&B historian for TV1's Unsung.
Speaker: I'm here attending the gala.
Speaker: This is my fifth consecutive year.
Speaker: And how big of a fan are you of science fiction and fantasy?
Speaker: I am a big fan.
Speaker: Ironically, it came late in life.
Speaker: Of course, I'm being 64 years old.
Speaker: You had a choice in 1977.
Speaker: You either picked Rocky or Star Wars that year, and I picked Rocky.
Speaker: But the kids may be picking Star Wars and all the science fiction aspects, and I love that a lot.
Speaker: What are you looking forward to the most for tonight?
Speaker: You know, seeing people get their proper due.
Speaker: And I think that's one of the things that is missing so much, you know, with the type of work in which they do all the time.
Speaker: I always want to make sure that they're here, and I want to make sure I support.
Speaker: And why are you supporting the writers of the future in the LCS?
Speaker: It's very important, particularly, you know, I work in television as well on the ID network as well as TV1 network.
Speaker: and writers are a very important part of not just television, it's really a part of our lives.
Speaker: We need that.
Speaker: Somebody needs to write the script, whether it's for television, movies, radio, and you being here as well.
Speaker: It all matters.
Speaker: Is there anything you would like to plug?
Speaker: I'd like to just be grateful for the fact that I'm able to get it.
Speaker: I just recently was inducted into the California Music Hall of Fame last week, so things are well, and I'm forever grateful for that.
Speaker: I'm Lorraine Diaz.
Speaker: I'm with Council President Paul Kerkorian's office with the City of Los Angeles.
Speaker: And why are you here?
Speaker: I am here to celebrate 40 years of writers and illustrators and the most diverse sci-fi and fantasy competition in the world.
Speaker: To celebrate all the great writers and the talent and to encourage literacy everywhere, worldwide.
Speaker: I love that they're doing that.
Speaker: I love that they've been doing it for 40 years.
Speaker: That's fantastic.
Speaker: How big of a fan of sci-fi and fantasy are you?
Speaker: So I would say I'm more of a medium fan.
Speaker: Jeff here, my colleague, he knows the authors, the writers, he knows.
Speaker: So he got me this necklace here from the Archillion Galaxy.
Speaker: I'm still learning how to say Archillion, so that puts me in the medium category.
Speaker: What about this year are you looking forward to?
Speaker: later this year?
Speaker: Oh personally I have a kid graduating from high school so I am looking forward to that watching him you know grow and expand his horizons he's been doing a lot of writing too you know a lot of college applications mostly but I'm so I'm looking forward to doing that and we are also turned out this year so we are kind of in our farewell tour year so not so much looking forward to that but I am enjoying the process.
Speaker: And is there anything other than that that you'd like to plug?
Speaker: What else would we like to plug?
Speaker: I didn't realize we'd have a platform here.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Just, you know, it is an election year.
Speaker: I want to remind everyone to vote that it's important, you know, especially younger generations, you know, encourage them.
Speaker: You know, it's so important to keep everyone active in your community at the local level, especially that is where you can make the most difference.
Speaker: Um, you know, we've partnered with John a few times, you know, he's helped us share, you know, the joy of reading with people experiencing homelessness with kids who
Speaker: you know, whose parents can't afford books.
Speaker: You know, he's helped us share that with a lot of people in the community who wouldn't otherwise be able to, to have, you know, purchased them or, you know, gotten books another way.
Speaker: And, you know, I love that, his heart for the community.
Speaker: So I encourage people that, you know, get out in your community, see how you can help, even, you know, even if you don't have books to give, if you have time, if you have, you know, there's a niche somewhere for whatever your skill is, kind of like you said about geeking out about something, there's a way that you can help.
Speaker: So just having that heart for public service, I think,
Speaker: encourage folks to do that do you have a favorite writer or is that like asking for a favorite child yeah kinda like asking for a favorite child I guess I don't know Jeff has a few I'm gonna steal one of his Scott Card is a favorite of mine James Morrow about them speak to you I love how religion is getting fold into something that's in the future and the
Speaker: The opposition that you have with what our religion that we see today and how it's actually working in the future and what's changed morally, physically, that I think is a fascinating aspect of science fiction.
Speaker: And that's a wrap for this episode.
Speaker: Thanks to everyone at the ceremony for letting me interview them.
Speaker: As always, any websites mentioned are in the show notes for this episode on my website.
Speaker: Thanks also to Nancy Kress, who I interviewed in episode 26 for the mid-show plug.
Speaker: This is Angie Fiedler Sutton from one-on-one interviews to ride carpets and conventions to roundtable discussions.
Speaker: I bring you a little bit of everything.
Speaker: After all, contents may vary.
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