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NCAA Report The death of the Pac-12
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Don and Russ talk about the mass exodus from the Pac-12, plus a scandal at yet ANOTHER BIG TEN school and the last three weeks in the SEC and BIG TEN!
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Introduction to Gateway City Sports
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This is Gateway City Sports.
Meet the Hosts: Don Glenn and Russ Robinson
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It is the NCAA report with me, Don Glenn, and my compadre Russ Robinson. Stay tuned.
NCAA Coaching Scandals Overview
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Well, hello folks and welcome back to the NCAA report. Joining me today, as always my broadcast partner on the Missouri side of the Mississippi River, Russ Robinson, AKA Uncle Frank. How are you doing there, Frank? I'm doing fine, Don, doing great.
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From the Missouri end, as we were talking before, it was a good weekend, so most of us Mizzou fans are pretty happy right now. You've had a good three weeks, actually. I mean, you know, compared to my side of the river, but you know, we will get to that a little bit later. I want to start off with. And I don't know what it is about the Big 10 right now, but it seems like every
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problem involving a coach or every question involving a coach right now is coming out of the big tent. I know last time we got together we talked about Pat Fitzgerald up in Northwestern and PJ flex having a little bit of questioning going on in Minnesota. And now we have Mel Tucker.
Mel Tucker's Controversy Discussion
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mission being suspended without pay for sexual harassment. And what makes this story even more strange is the gallon question and her name is
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Brenda Tracy, she's a rape survivor who goes around and talks to basically men's groups, teams about sexual assault awareness, basically.
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And I guess Mel Tucker had partnered with her and they had gone around, uh, on like a circuit of some sort and talking about, you know, this, this very subject. And he's actually, he actually had invited her twice to speak to his team, uh, specifically. And another time he, she was invited to be a honorary, uh, captain or a coach or something like that. The suspension comes from.
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Evidently, there was a phone call that the two had had where she claims he made a number of inappropriate sexual comments, and for those of you with weak constitutions, mute the recording for the next 10 seconds, that he masturbated during the phone call.
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Now how she would have known this, unless he's telling her, I have no clue. Now he is claiming that it was consensual phone sex. This is not going to go well. I think for Mel Tucker. No. Um, no, I don't think so. And you know, uh, whether it was consensual or not, I mean, the other, the top of it, he's married with, I understand he's married with a couple of kids.
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So, you know, he probably didn't he probably didn't need to be there doing that. So, I don't know. It's it's one of those things. I don't know if it's as much as a he said, she said type thing. It sounds like, well, you know, he's he's admitting to it but he says it's consensual. She said it wasn't. So, it's really hard to to judge on this. So, you know, Mel Tucker doesn't come out looking good in
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you know, he's cleared of this this conversation he had with this this woman. Uh still, he admitted he it was a consensual thing and he's married. So, he shouldn't have been doing it. So, I don't see how he comes out ahead on this at all or or with. So, it looks like to me, it's it's a matter of all these coaches. I think about every coach now that signs a contract with the power five school especially and with all the millions of
Ethics Clauses in Contracts
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They have a moral or an ethics clause in their contract, and they basically say they can get rid of you any time on that. And that's happened before with other coaches. So I just don't see how this turns out well for Mel Tucker in any way you look at it. Yeah.
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I mean, they're already looking at, there's already articles out all over the place about top four, top five guys who replace Tucker. Right now, Harlan Barnett is the interim head coach until they get this figured out.
Impact on Big Ten's Reputation
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And I guess they've had,
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hired Mark DeAntonio, the former coach at Michigan State, to act as an advisor.
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Um, so take that for what it's worth. Um, but yeah, I, I, and, and I don't know, I don't know if it's just because there's, because of the Fitzgerald or the Northwestern scan, because there's more than one coach involved there, but, uh, whether it was the Northwestern scandal or not, but it just seems like, you know, that's what three schools in less than.
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three months that have fired or have had questions revolving around coaches and their activities.
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Um, you know, I don't know what that says for the big 10. I mean, um, I'd like to think, I would have liked to have thought that Fitzgerald thing was maybe an outlier that it was more, he was more along the lines of, uh, Paterno. Uh, when that whole scandal went down, you know, where he really didn't know it, or he was just kind of saying, okay, you guys handle it yourself, whatever.
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Um, you know, the whole Fleck thing. I mean, that's, that's a 61 half dozen another. And now we got this, uh, like you said, he said, she said thing, even though he's admitting that, yes, well this happened, but it didn't happen the way she said, I guess that I, I, I, I think more than Tucker right now.
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The big 10 is going to have an issue getting around this or getting past this, I think. I mean, what's your take on it? Well, I don't know. Don, I mean, doesn't necessarily. And I say this because this, I think this happens at other conferences. He frees
Scandals Across Conferences
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was one time the head coach at Ole Miss and doing quite well. And he got caught up in a scandal where he was, his cell phone was used while he was on the road.
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to call I don't know if it's a call girl service or something like that and he was doing I mean he was winning at Ole Miss but when that hit the when that hit the papers and that became public they they dismissed him quickly and he went to end up at Liberty now he's back at Auburn you know the conferences and schools and coaches recover from this type of stuff you know they they really do I don't think he'll be a big laden on the
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big 10 anymore than Joe Paterno scandal was about Penn State, Joe Paterno. It really didn't lay that heavy on the big 10. Yeah. So I think, you know, in all school, all conferences have schools have coaches that, that this blows up everyone's a while on and nothing can be kept secret anymore. You know, Oh no, no, no. And so there'll be another coach and another cop for big, big conference that this is going to blow up on that again. And it'll happen.
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Uh, but I think, uh, the scandal with Mel Tucker runs that deep at Michigan state. Sounds like it's between Mel Tucker, his issues. Um, you know, Northwestern might have a little bit of a problem because that ran through the team. The coaches, what did they know? What did they not know? Uh, I've already forgotten what PJ flex issue was, but, uh, the Michigan thing so far just sounds like it's strictly Michigan state things between Mel Tucker.
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and this other woman and, you know, and I think Michigan state old, and they'll probably just, they'll probably move on from male Tucker. And then, you know, that'll be it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I, and, and I just happened to remember as we were talking about all that, um, what was it, uh, eight, nine years ago at the U of I, uh, uh, Tim Beckman fired for, uh, pro for what was alleged as, uh,
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I guess you could say bullying players to play hurt and, uh, rough, uh, rough treatment of players or something like that. So, I mean, the big tens had their share over the last few years. I just, you know, you just wonder if is, is that maybe, you know, when it comes down to a kid and
Conference Realignment Effects
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he's deciding, um, between say Tennessee and Illinois or Tennessee and Michigan state or whoever.
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you know, that he looks at and says, okay, well, the sec, you know, I, I'm not seeing scandals coming out of the sec, you know, at least not on the level of what we're seeing, you know, here, the big 10's got this going, got this going, got this going, Michigan state's had this happen. You know, maybe it may not weigh on the kid's mind as much as far as Michigan state thing goes, but would it weigh on the parents and say, you know, what kind of people are you hiring here to, to, to coach my kid?
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Mm hmm. Well, it could, Don. I think mainly the kids, what they're going to be is whoever Mel Tucker was recruiting in the high schools and his staff was recruiting. I wonder who their coach is going to be playing for at Michigan State if they if they were going to commit. So I think that that's that's where it will hurt them. If this thing drags out and Mel Tucker is not terminated rather quickly, then, yeah, this could this could drag out and hurt Michigan State.
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The Northwestern thing I guess has been pretty well is pretty well been gutted out. I'm pretty yeah, I'm guessing right now. It's an interim coach. They've got right now still the interim. Yeah, still the interim coach. Someone in the offseason and you know, yeah, move on.
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they'll be out there and I think that's what they're going to do that that will that's what they'll do it at the Northwest and I think you know you'll see them and it made us they made us give the reins to this guy I don't know I can't remember who's actually the Northwestern coach right now but
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You know, but, but yeah, I think they will, they will move on. Um, and you know that, uh, whether they're big 10 looks at it, I don't know. Uh, they may start looking at other schools too and say, okay, well, we've had problems that Illinois, a few years ago, we've had problems that.
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uh, Northwestern now. Okay. Where's this hazing going? Cause you know, that, that's a, that is a big thing, or at least it was a few years ago amongst, uh, um, that was one of the big things on a lot of people's checklists was, was hazing, anti hazing laws and stuff. But, uh, yeah, I, I do agree. I think that, uh, you know, eventually what you're going to see on the Mel Tucker thing is, uh, you know, they're going to have to probably.
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I'd say within the next couple of months, they're going to have to make a decision. Uh, next 30 days, especially, you know, are we going and, you know, give the investigation time to play out. Uh, and it may be, may end up being a formality that, you know, like you said, they are going to fire him, um, and move on. And like I said, they'll have to probably have somebody in place or at least named by season's end. So that, uh, like you said, recruiting won't take the hit. Right. Right.
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One, one interesting thing I did hear out of the, out of the, and I, I have to get your take on it. Uh, I know it's basketball and we're in football season, but one interesting thing I did hear, and I saw it a couple of blurbs on it on Facebook, I think it was, or maybe, maybe it was, uh, X I'm not sure. Um, but, uh, Bruce Pearl condemning or criticizing Joe Biden publicly at some kind of a function.
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Well, I didn't hear that. Yeah. I don't know what that was about. I mean, if that's if that's the if that's the biggest thing, the SEC is going to have, you know, they're they're fine. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, Pearl's had his issues with the NCAA, but I had not heard about that. Yeah. There was something about that. I'm not sure I can't remember what what where I actually saw that at. But so speaking of that,
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We'll kind of move on to the next national topic going on or the next big thing going on in these last couple of weeks is rest in peace to Pac-12. Yeah. Boy. Yeah. When that came apart, it came apart quick. You weren't expecting. Yeah. You weren't expecting it to have, even after USC, UCLA, uh, to leave, you weren't expecting this really to see that. Cause you and I don't follow probably the Pac-12 like,
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Some people who are fans of those schools are so I would think that uh so but I was surprised I thought the commissioner there would be putting trying to put together some sort of package and the whole bid is on the television deal I think Don UCLA and UCSC lost confidence that they were going to get a good television deal for out of Pac-12 anymore
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And apparently the commissioner wasn't encouraged wasn't what he was trying to pull off wasn't encouraging wasn't encouraging to other schools. He was talking about doing some sort of streaming deal or something like that. Well, what he was talking about, he had a commission, I guess, research what
00:15:16
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TV rights, they were that, that, that UCLA and USC were going to gain by moving to the big 10, as opposed to staying in pack 12. And he had worked up a deal where UCLA was to try to keep them into pack 12 rather than try and block them. He was trying to, he tried to work a deal where they would get 52%, I think is the number here, you know, $52 million annually.
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during the next five years of the league's media deal. That's Pac-Dolcim, George Klavkov, tried to get that brokered through the other schools, the other living schools. And I guess it was the Oregon president, Patrick Phillips, he's the interim president of Oregon. He completely shut it down and said, the ducks will not, he will not have the ducks in a conference where they have to take less money than UCLA.
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And after that, it kind of died and they voted and it was 11 to five on the board of, on the board of regents, uh, to approve the Bruins leaving to the big 10. Now I'm surprised, surprisingly, they didn't care about USC. They wanted to keep UCLA. So I'm not sure, you know, uh, maybe UCLA has got the, has the larger market. I don't know, uh, for that. Yeah.
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But yeah, I mean, you got, and we all knew that the big 10 wasn't done expanding. I mean, that was obvious. Um, that, you know, they, they had been talking after they got UCLA and you see, you see, I see, you know, the talk was where are they going next? And there was looking at an order dame. They were looking at maybe going out East again, getting somebody from out there, like a West Virginia or Virginia. Um, yeah.
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A lot of people were saying Stanford would go to the big 10. A lot of people were saying they might go the Southwest route and try and steal Arizona, Arizona state to get the North, the Northwest Pacific Northwest. I mean, kudos that a big 10 pulling off first of all, with nobody knowing it. Second of all, I mean, now you've got pretty much both ends of the West coast covered in the big 10.
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And, you know, you've got the East Coast with Maryland or Rutgers, you know, that, that area. So, you know, truly it is a, it is a coast next year. It'll be a coast to coast conference, 18 teams. And I'm still hearing reports. They're not done where they're going next. A lot. Still, people are saying this, that the other reason for bringing in Washington and Oregon is that
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They traditionally play Notre Dame a lot. And again, try it, you know, again, trying to coax Notre Dame. Hey, we've got some of the teams you like to play over here. Why don't you just join the conference? You know, I don't know if that's going to happen.
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The interesting thing to me also was the big 12 who you and I thought last year when they lost Texas and Oklahoma, that, okay, this, this conference is going to go nowhere fast and hit the depths of despair. And, you know, now they've added Arizona, Arizona state, Utah, and Colorado, Colorado. Yeah. I think BYU entered this year. I think BYU, Cincinnati.
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There are two others that entered this year and I can't think the other, but I know BYU and Cincinnati for sure entered this year. You know, now, now you got to think that the big 12 who was thought to be on life support. Now they're a power conference again. I mean, you've got a 16 team power conference over in the big 12 now. No, they say they went out and saved themselves. They got good leadership. They finally got, they got a commissioner over there who, who was aggressive. They looked up in some ways, Don.
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losing Texas, unleash this conference a little bit. It sounds crazy, I know.
Big 12's Comeback Strategy
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But the reason that the big 12 almost fell apart is Texas went out and did their own network, the Longhorn network. And they blocked the big 12 from doing their network. And so that's why Colorado left. That's why Nebraska left. That's why Missouri left. That's why Texas A&M left. And Longhorn network, so they couldn't do that. They could do a network deal.
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But they couldn't do a network like the big 12 or the SEC. I mean, a lot of the SEC are the big 10. And so that's when Texas and Oklahoma decided to come aboard the SEC mainly because Texas did because their Longhorn network was really a disaster. It wasn't bringing in the money.
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So they're going to attach themselves to the SEC. So losing Texas kind of was able to unleash the big 12 to go out and bring in people and plan. And maybe they can do a network now. Now they got rid of Texas. It hurts. I know it hurts them, but they've done a good job recovering by bringing in some of the schools they had brought in. So they should be. And who wouldn't want
00:20:23
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prime coaching in your conference, you know? I mean, you know about bringing in a names, all of a sudden a name school in Colorado. Yeah. You know, you should. So the Pac-12, back to the Pac-12, you know, several years ago when all these conferences were putting together these networks. And what I was reading or picking up on was that the SEC and the Big Ten did it right.
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The ACC was putting together a network and had put together a network. But this is a PAC-12 network was kind of a flimsy deal. They had like a PAC-12 network. If I understand north in a PAC-12 network south, it had different programming. They were trying to appeal to the broad.
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uh geography of it and that's not the way the big ten or the sec did it it was all you know it's one network and that kind of that was flimsy it didn't it never really worked it never brought in the revenue they thought it would hence why usc and ucla bolted and then that just started the whole thing dominoes following over there so yeah yeah and then you and then you have on top of insult to injury to all that cow and stanford
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go to the ACC. I was shocked that the ACC would go that far to the West, myself.
ACC's Westward Expansion
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I was too, and that's a big move for them. But you know, and I'm not sure that was a popular move with all the schools to bring in Cal and Stanford, all their schools. It was somewhat of a, there was some conflict between the current schools over that.
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but I guess they feel like they're in a defensive mechanism. They need to do something. Uh, so they, they went out and brought in Cal and stay. Is it just Cal and Stanford? They'll let you, they brought in from over there. No, they also, they also brought in one of the AAC schools and I, Oh, okay. I didn't, I have lost track who I was going sometimes who I was going where, where, but yeah, yeah, go ahead. They're trying to get up.
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Well, were they trying to get up to 18? Is that what the ACC? I think they want to get to 18, but right now they're at 17. 17, okay. Yeah, they're at 17 right now. Oh, here it is. SMU. That's right. SMU's taking a cut.
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in revenue, basically don't have to pay us as much for so many years. And then they're big time alumni going to make up the difference. They want to get it out. They want to get it. Right. It's like a, it's like a 30% cut over the next eight years or something like that. They don't take the same, they don't get the same deal. The other ACC schools get. Yeah, no doubt.
00:23:16
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So, so they, they, they kind of talked their way into that, that conference. It gives ACC gives them a school in the Dallas market. So it might be a bright mood. It might be a good long-term move for them. You know, it was, you just have to wait and see. Yeah. And, and, you know, and like you said, like they're at 17. So who did they go after next year? There's also some talk that the SEC may be looking at North Carolina. Well, there's been talk about the SEC will be at 16 next year. And there has been talk about would they,
00:23:46
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Should they or would they expand, uh, uh, try to get to 18 teams and says, who would it be? And would they go, Florida state's been making noise that they're unhappy with the ACC and whether they would go to the SEC or, you know, there's a chance for the big team to go into Florida.
00:24:04
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would they do that? I don't know that the SEC right now seems content to stay pat with Texas and Oklahoma coming on board and see where it goes from there. They're already in Florida, as far as the television market, they're already in Florida with the Florida right? Florida probably wouldn't be too happy about bringing in Florida State. I don't know. I don't know, make a natural arrival for them though. And then there's there's talk. Yes, there's talking to the SEC about going
00:24:31
Speaker
into the East, to further up the coast there, maybe pick up North Carolina or pick up Virginia, something like that. Yeah. So, but I don't think it's, because you never know, I don't think it's that serious yet, but you never know. I mean, Texas and Oklahoma, when they made the move, it kind of surprised me.
00:24:53
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just like, you know, seeing UCLA make the move. So you just never know what's being talked about in the background. So, yeah. Well, I guess if you figure with it, with, with the big 10 at 18, ACC at 17, looking further expansion, big 10 is looking for further expansion. Big 12 now is at 16. They got the same level of teams as the SEC.
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You wonder if maybe the SEC is going, wait a minute, who's passing us up here? I mean, I don't think it's going to be a huge, I think their TV contract is going to be solid. I don't think, I don't think any of these other conferences are going to steal any money off their TV contract for sure. Uh, or, or get a huge, I mean, big 10 might now with, with four teams on the West coast. But that does lead me to the final question on this whole, on this whole saga. What about Oregon state and Washington state? What do they do?
00:25:42
Speaker
Well, that's a good question. I'm sure they're they're searching around. Of course, you heard the rumors probably like I did. I assume that whack the Western Athletic Conference will eventually absorb them or they'll go into some sort of deal with them. When looking out there in the horizon, that seems to be the only option they have. They could pull from other conferences and form and try to reform the pack.
00:26:04
Speaker
10, I guess, if you want to go back that far, you know, they'd, but they'd still have to pull it. They'd have to pull by next year. They had to pull at least six teams to be a viable conference. Cause that, I think you have to have eight to be a, you know, it looks like going in with, you know, Wyoming Boise state. Uh, I don't know who's in the whack right now. I'm trying to think, I think, I think, I think it's the, I think it's, uh, the mountain West now.
00:26:29
Speaker
Mount West. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, that's Boise state, uh, Wyoming, uh, air force, Utah, state, Colorado state. Yeah. They could also look at the sun belt with the San Diego state and a couple of others down there, but I don't know if they can get that kind of a deal pulled together in 12 months. No, the only thing they could do in 12 months is if the other, what the Western athletic conference absorb just absorbs them.
00:26:56
Speaker
just absorbed them. And that looks like to me, the logical next logical step. It's either that or they go to the independent route and join, uh, cause there's only four independents right now. And that's army Notre Dame, Yukon and UMass. So they could join the ranks of the, of the independence, you know? Well, you know, and there's no money in that. There's no TV contracts. Notre Dame has their own TV contracts. So they don't, they can afford to be independent, but I don't think it pays off in the long run to stay independent very long.
SEC and Big Ten Season Predictions
00:27:26
Speaker
I assume Yukon is looking for a home and they may be waiting to see what opens up or something like that. But I'm sure that Oregon state and Washington state are going to try and find a home somewhere pretty quick. Yeah. Yeah. Now I said, I'm with you. I think they go, I think they go mountain. I mean, they could surprise everybody and go Sunbelt, but the Sunbelt, I don't think really has a big following or a big media.
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Speaker
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00:28:37
Speaker
Let's kind of shift our focus to, I mean, we kind of did talk about what's going on in the big 10, but let's, uh, the lab, we've got three weekends under our belt now. What's the SEC looking like? Well, I think that's a good question. They, they certainly, I was watching the SEC network this weekend and, uh, you know, there's a lot of teams that are not performing very well right now. Alabama is.
00:29:00
Speaker
struggling to find a quarterback in their offense. I mean, South Florida gave them a lot. Tennessee just got beat by Florida. Tennessee almost won the SEC last year. I mean, they had a really good year. So it's really kind of, it's an uncertain, certain where it's going right now.
00:29:19
Speaker
The only team that really stands out right now is Georgia. It still stands out while the teams are still trying to find themselves. Arkansas got beat by BYU. So you know the LSU won this weekend. One rather handedly over Mississippi State, so I think there's still a lot of question marks about the SEC. I don't know that it right now. It's dominant like it has been, you know, until we see what happens with Alabama till we see what happens.
00:29:48
Speaker
with Texas A&M until we see what it's just, it's everything's kind of up in the air right now. So I think a lot of people are focused on what's going to happen with Alabama because they got, you know, they got beat by Hanley by Texas last week and this week, South Florida just, they couldn't put them, they had a hard time putting them away. So we'll see. They'll start playing each other more as we go in. We're entering the fourth week, so there'll be more SEC games this week.
00:30:16
Speaker
than there were last week. So that's kind of where it stands. I think there's some disappointment in the SEC about the performance of some of the SEC schools and who they've played so far and how they performed against them so far.
00:30:31
Speaker
I was going to flip them through the scores from this past weekend. And like I said, Georgia's ranked number one, but I shouldn't say barely, but only wins by 10 over South Carolina. Now South Carolina, they jumped up and beat a couple teams last year they shouldn't have near the end of the season.
00:30:50
Speaker
You know, maybe they had a little still beating their chest a little bit on that, but you know, some of these, you know, you would expect in the first couple of weeks. You saw the SEC teams rolling over their opponents, but then again, they were playing. Grambling and North Texas state and stuff like that. That's the only team, the only team that has, that's, that's had kind of a rough go, but it's been Vanderbilt. But then again, they always, they always have a rough goal.
00:31:15
Speaker
They they have a tough. Yeah, they have a tough goal. Now it's looking at next week's schedule, Don. So what we'll see is Auburn in Texas A&M. That would be a good interesting Max match up. We'll see Mississippi and Alabama. That would be a test for both those schools to find us teams where they where they're going to go far. Arkansas plays LSU. I mean, I'm just going through some of the some of the more interesting ones. So you know there there's going to be some.
00:31:44
Speaker
There's going to be some sorting out next week, I think. Yeah, I think you might see that. And, you know, I want to get kind of your take on that Alabama, Texas game too. I didn't get to see, I mean, I've watched maybe two or three minutes of it. So I, because I was in and out and just kind of flipping through and catching the last couple minutes of it. But what do you take from that game is Texas for real? I mean, they're not, and they're not an SEC member yet. You know, next year that's going to be a conference game. It appears. So I'm a little surprised.
00:32:12
Speaker
that the way they handled Alabama and but Alabama struggling this year. I don't think they've got everything together yet, but Steve Sarcasian, I think is the coach is a coach at Texas now. He seems to be put. You might be putting it together just in time to be coming to the SEC next year.
00:32:31
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00:35:33
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Okay. So now let's go to the obvious in your backyard there, Missouri three and oh, well, what's up with this? And I guess, and I guess you solved your quarterback controversy as well, right? Well, it seems to be, um, first of all, they played South Dakota the first week, so you can't take anything away from that. Then they played middle Tennessee state and struggled to really to put them away.
00:35:58
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and never really did. So this game against Kansas State was really kind of unexpected, but this kid, Brady Cook has come along. He had a really good game. And one of the criticisms of him last year, Don, was the fact that he couldn't get the ball down the field, throw the ball down the field to his wide receivers. And this year, it looks like he's much better at it, getting the ball to them. Not just little swing passes or screen passes.
00:36:28
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He's really cranking them all down the field. So yes, it looks like he's he shut the criticism down at least for another week and next week they play Memphis and that'll be a that'll be a nice test to see if they come back from a big win.
00:36:43
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to go and take care of business next week. That'll be a good test for Eli's program to see how far he's come along if he's got those guys motivated when they play Memphis next week. They're playing around St. Louis. It's a home game, but they did schedule the game in St. Louis.
00:37:01
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We'll see. We'll see. Well, what's their schedule look like going down the road now? I mean, who else would they got coming up? Let me look it up. Well, they get past Memphis. If they get past, they really had a favorable schedule. If they could get past Kansas State, you know, of course they play Memphis. Vanderbilt's next. And then if I'm, I just pulled the schedule up, Vanderbilt LSU.
00:37:25
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Kentucky, South Carolina, they got a heck of a gauntlet coming up the end of the season, Georgia, Tennessee, Florida. That's right. Well, here's, here's the deal. They, if they get past Memphis next week, they'd be four and Oh, right. Then they play Vanderbilt and you know, depending on Vanderbilt, they should, they could be five and Oh, uh, now LSU, I don't have a lot of hope there.
00:37:48
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Although LSU is coming to Columbia, but then they play Kentucky and Kentucky and Mizzou's always been a good close game. And then South Carolina is a game that they have beaten South Carolina in recent years. So, you know, they could start off done seven and one.
00:38:06
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I mean, it's really that'd be fantastic. That'd be great. It's possible. Then they hit Georgia, Tennessee. Florida is a team they played well and Arkansas is a team they played well. So, you know, the games that I would be questioning they've had much of a chance to win would be LSU, Georgia, and maybe Tennessee. But the rest of them are up for grabs, I think.
00:38:28
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I mean, I, I don't see a way that, that Missouri's is, is not playing new year's day right now, looking at their schedule and what they've already done. Yeah. You know, we hope so. As a Missouri fan, you have to take it one game at a time because there have been disappointments in the past. I get where you're coming from there. Yeah.
00:38:54
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So we'll see. So focus on Memphis right now.
Missouri Football Analysis
00:38:57
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That's what I hope that the team does and just gets gets a solid win against Memphis next week. And then we can see it really would be a good measuring stick for how well drink is preparing his teams. Now he can let his teams not have a letdown after the big K state win against the Memphis team. It's decent because they beat Navy last week.
00:39:21
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but they're not a great team, but they're certainly a decent solid team.
00:39:25
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Well, I guess that leads me to the big 10 in Illinois. There really hasn't been many big games of teams in the big 10 playing really tough opponents that we've had a lot of conference games, but it's been Nebraska Rutgers or, you know, Maryland and Indiana, Ohio state, you know, nothing really of any kind. I mean, this last week, Illinois Penn State was probably the biggest conference matchup they've had so far.
00:39:51
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And of course, for Illinois fans, that did not work out real well. And I think what you're seeing, I think that I think Penn State and after watching them and watching that game against Illinois, I've seen a couple some highlights from some of their other games. This and you and I were talking about this before the show started.
00:40:09
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You know, this could be their year that they finally make some hay in that big 10 East. I mean, it's tough when you've got Ohio state and Michigan in the same comp and the same part of the conference as you. And, you know, Maryland is, is no slouch. Um, you know, so you've got three teams there that are, that are more than capable of knocking you down a peg or two, but you know, they've got a good quarterback. He's a lot like our quarterback in that he's not only good throwing the ball.
00:40:39
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And he's more, I think he's actually more, he's more prolific than Altmeyer, but he can run. And I think Penn State and their defense is still as solid as ever. So I think Penn State's going to be very, very tough to, to, to overcome in that, in that East, you know, not saying that, that Ohio state and Michigan aren't going to be able to cover, overcome it. Cause now Michigan does have Harbaugh back as the coach.
00:41:05
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Uh, he's served his three games suspension suspension. So he's, uh, ready to go now. Yeah. I'm looking at your big 10 schedule next week, Don. And you got some interesting games coming up next week. Ohio's got Notre Dame. That's the big one. I think.
00:41:21
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I think that's going to be your big one. Ohio State Notre Dame. I think let me grab it up. Let me pull it up here real quick. Well, Penn State plays Iowa. You know, that's that's also going to be tough and that's and that's going to be one where I think you'll finally see you might see just how good Iowa is.
00:41:39
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They're always going to have a good defense or always going to play tough defense. And so I think you're going to see how good they are. I think the Wisconsin Purdue game, while it may not be a match, a big matchup in a lot of people's eyes, I think it's going to tell where those two programs are going to go because Purdue is not. I mean, they haven't had a great amount of success this year so far. I mean, losing that first week to Fresno State.
00:42:07
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And then they just lost this last week into Syracuse. So they're going in this game one and two facing Wisconsin, which is always going to be fairly tough. And there's no two ways about that. But they've kind of had an easier schedule. They've played Buffalo, Washington State, and Georgia Southern, only loss being to Washington State. So you don't know what those two teams are really going to be like. So I think this is going to tell a lot
00:42:33
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And with both of them being in the same division, it could have some pretty considerable division separation, if you will. You know, if Penn State were to lose that game, or I mean, pretty loses that game. As far as the rest of the Big 10 schedule, I think, Illinois, we've got a, we've got a non-conference game. Thank God for small favors.
00:42:58
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Uh, but, but Florida Atlantic is not going to be the way this team is playing Florida Atlantic. It's not going to be easy. I'm not saying that that's an, I don't know, a guaranteed went Nebraska playing law tech. I don't know if that's going to be any, any consequence be interesting to see how Michigan state handles being under an interim coach, uh, in their first conference game against Maryland. But I think, I think the big game next week is going to be that Ohio state Notre Dame.
00:43:24
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That I think is going to be the game everybody's going to tune into. And then, of course, you know, you're looking at the and it's interesting because they're both playing the Notre Dame, Ohio State is on NBC at 730 and the Penn State, Iowa is on CBS at 730, both on Saturday.
00:43:45
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I'm not sure the schedule, I'm not sure the schedule makers had that one figured out, right? I think you may see, you may see a lot of homes with two TVs. That sure thing. You know, the, you have a Michigan playing an undefeated Rutgers. I don't know how good Rutgers is. You probably know more than I do.
00:44:05
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Uh, they're good. I mean, they're, they're, they're flexing their muscles this year. I think they may end up qualifying for a bowl cause it gets a three and oh now, you know, and they've got why they still have one with Wagner coming up. Got Indiana on their schedule, which I think is possibly a winnable game. Michigan state up in the air. That could be a winnable game.
00:44:25
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So yeah, I mean, I, six, seven wins might be a good, might be a good, good barometer for Rutgers. Like I said, I don't think you're asking me if they're in the Michigan, Ohio state, Penn state camp. I don't think so. I just don't see that happening at this point. But then again, you know, like you said, stranger things have happened. All right. Getting back to the, to your, your Missouri boys there. So is the controversy, counter quarterback controversy over?
00:44:51
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For right now, yeah, I mean, I think they saw a bit of Sam Horn. He's a redshirt freshman. Everybody was so high on this that everybody wanted to see and they saw him in the South Dakota game that all the second half and Mizzou built up a pretty good lead in that game. They put him in. He just didn't look like he was ready. Don they didn't play him at all against MTSU because they just never built up a big enough lead.
00:45:20
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Brady Cook looks so good, you know, against Kansas State. I mean, I think it is unless Brady gets hurt or if Brady somehow slips, starts slipping, starts performing badly, but it looks like it is over for us. I think it is. I think drink has made up his mind and I think he's going forward with Brady and I think most of fans now see it that Brady's, Brady's one ready to go so.
00:45:48
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I tell you, the one guy that keeps impressing me on Missouri is Luther Braden. Oh, Luther Burden, yes. The wide receiver, yes. And he's really a big part of that offense. And he can catch, he can create plays. I've seen him do a short screen passes where he's created, made that into a long gain, or he hit. And Brady hit him on a long touchdown pass yesterday.
00:46:15
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Uh, so it, it, he is, he's the most talented offensive player they've got. And, uh, they've got other receivers that are good, but Luther burdens in a league by himself. Is he a, he's a freshman or sophomore? He's a sophomore. He came, came in yesterday, played last year. And so he's a sophomore. So, uh, they, you know, they're trying to keep him happy. They don't want him.
00:46:40
Speaker
And so he's got the NIL deals and all that. So they're doing all that. He's probably got a feature in the NFL when he's ready to do it. So it's just, Oh, I'm sure he does. Has the pressure come off a drink? Any some this week. I think if he had lost that game this week, this past week, I think, you know, the pressure will start building. Uh, I think it was a good turning point for him. So the, yes, the pressure is off, but if they
00:47:05
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somehow managed to lose against Memphis next week, then you'll see it pick up again. So, I mean, you know, he really needs to do better than six and six this year. He really does. I say eight and four.
00:47:17
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He'll be solid, you know, there won't be any questions if he can go eight and four, uh, seven and five, I'm not sure, but six and six won't do it. I don't think that'll do it this year. On the big 10 side of things. I mean, Illinois has had a, I mean, I looked at the schedule at the start of the season.
Illinois Football Challenges
00:47:33
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Originally, I didn't give Kansas game much of a, much of a thought. I thought that would be our toughest non-conference game for sure.
00:47:41
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But, you know, I thought, okay, they should be able to win that game. I thought we'd play better against Penn state. And it actually did for about the first half. Um, you know, and so I was thinking eight, you know, eight wins, nine wins, not a problem for this team. And I'm not saying I'm backing off of that. Cause I still think it's, it is possible, but they're going to have to fix some stuff and they're going to fix it real quick.
00:48:06
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because when you take on now granted Toledo was the Mac champion, which I didn't realize last year, but the Mac champion facing a premier power five team or conference team like an like an Illini that game should not have been close for Illinois had to win it with a field goal in the last eight in the last 30 seconds. You know that that game should not have been that and
00:48:33
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They and I kind of blew it off because
00:48:37
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They had 10 penalties for 105 yards. And you know, so that tells you they weren't the cheap penalties or 115 years. They weren't the cheap penalty. They had a lot of pass interference. They had a couple unsports from like conducts and the big penalties they were having were on Toledo drives. They gave Toledo basically extended three Toledo drives, which led to 13 points for Toledo. I mean, you take those, you take those penalties out of the way. And now.
00:49:06
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You know, that game's all of a sudden to where it should have been. Double digit Illinois with Kansas. I don't know if it was, I can't put my finger on it with, with Kansas. Uh, I think Kansas, Kansas is oddly better team than anybody, uh, at least that I thought thing. And I think better than a lot of people. But again, Illinois played a D and this is something Aaron Henry's going to have to figure out really quick is.
00:49:32
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He's gonna have to, and I think you saw that starting to happen in the Penn State game. The first couple of games, I think Illinois was using more of a read and react defense, and they're just not that fast of a team defensively to do that. You don't have a Sidney Brown, a Devon Witherspoon in that defensive backfield. You still got your big boys up front in Jerzon Newton and Keith Randolph,
00:50:00
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but in a read and react, you're basically taking them out of the defense because they're not doing what they normally, which is just try to get on the other side of the, on the other side of the line of scrimmage as quick as possible.
00:50:13
Speaker
Right. So I think that hurt him in the first couple of games. The one bright spot spot, the first two games was Luke Altmeyer. I really liked the way he looked in that first, in that game against Toledo. Really liked his decision-making and what he brought to the table against Kansas.
00:50:31
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And now you go against Penn State and he throws four interceptions, can't run the ball and just doesn't look, didn't look at all like he did, like he did in the first two games. The running game, which I thought was going to be fairly good because we had two backs as opposed to one last year. Josh McCray really has not gotten it untracked.
00:50:53
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Reggie Love showed some good progress this last game, but he's been held. I don't think he's hit 70 yards yet in the three games. Matter of fact, after the first two games, the leading rusher was Luke Altmeyer, the quarterback by about 30 yards. You know, of course, a 70 yard run against Kansas will help that any day of the week.
00:51:14
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But I think the offense, I don't know if I think a lot of it is the offensive line because they lost Alex Pelczewski and Alex Philstrom, two big stalwarts on the line last year, replaced one with a JC transfer and another one with a
00:51:35
Speaker
a kid that transferred in last year. So there are a little bit of growing pains, I think, there. I think not having Brian Hightire to be your bookend for Isaiah Williams has hurt him a little bit, although Pat Bryant and Casey Washington have shown up very well. So I think it's going to be a mixture. I think this game against Florida Atlantic could be a chance for them to get back on the
00:51:59
Speaker
get their feel-good mojo back a little bit ahead of a schedule that, you know, now that I'm looking at it again with what we know now, yes, they'll get bowled. I don't think there's any doubt about that because we got after Florida landed, we got Purdue, Nebraska. So I think those two probably, I
00:52:22
Speaker
Again, we'll know more about Purdue after the game against Wisconsin. But I think we should be Purdue. Nebraska shouldn't be that tough. And I'll get to Nebraska in a quick second here on that one. But Maryland is going to be tough game. Then we got Wisconsin, Minnesota, which
00:52:39
Speaker
You know, they'll be, the Minnesota game will be tough because it's at Minnesota, Wisconsin's at Memorial Stadium, so that shouldn't be too bad. Indiana, and then we got Iowa and Northwest. So, you know, Penn State was the biggest conference foe we had to face, the toughest. And a lot of people said that the Big Ten West is wide open. And I'm not sure I really agree with that because I don't, you know, I don't think like Northwestern
00:53:08
Speaker
Nebraska really have a shot. I don't think Purdue's really got a shot. I think it's going to come down to Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois, if they can get stuff turned around. If not, it's going to be a two team race. You might see seven, seven wins coming out of the big 10 West as, as your, your, your winner, so to speak, but there's getting to say about Nebraska. There's people already now calling for Matt rules head. Well,
00:53:37
Speaker
you know, and he gave the guy a break. Yeah, really, you know, because he's first year and all. I think this is his first year in it. Yes, it is. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and he's a proven coach. He's a guy who's one of the other places. Yeah, the Nebraska fans going to have to be patient with him. You know, like you said, it looks like the next three games will give Illinois a chance to get some traction on the season and it's really hard to imagine that one
Nebraska's Football Struggles
00:54:07
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in my watching college football that I never say Nebraska was a team you'd like to have on your schedule. At this point, I mean, this is how far they've fallen. You know, and I know when those Nebraska left the Big 12 to go to the Big 10, I know they thought they could go in and be one of the dominant schools there, but that's when the downfall started for them. They started going through coaches and they just made some bad coaching decisions
00:54:37
Speaker
and things like that. So they've never really, they've never really been a factor in the Big Ten. So that's just, that's my observation. Just, I just think of all the years that, you know, Nebraska was one of the prime schools, you know, always a top five school in the country, program in the country and how far they followed in the last few years.
00:54:59
Speaker
Oh yeah. I remember, I remember as a young kid, uh, back in the mid early to mid seventies, you know, you, you w w the end of the year when we only had so few college bowl games, you know, uh, you always were seeing what you always saw was you saw Nebraska, you saw Oklahoma, you saw Florida, you saw Notre Dame, you saw UCLA, you know, and to see, like you said, we're, we're, Nebraska is, is now.
00:55:27
Speaker
It's, I mean, and even a guy, when you got into dating, you know, Wisconsin, I'm, they're not the team that used to be a, when Alvarez and Bilema coached over there. I don't know if we can chalk it up to the parody now in college football, or is it, uh, like you said, is it just, they've had a couple of bad seasons, a couple of bad coaching decisions, and now this is where they're laying. I, you know, in Nebraska's case, they just after Dr. Tom Osborne, I call him Dr. Tom because he was a,
00:55:57
Speaker
he was an honorary PhD but uh you know he had won all the national championships and it just then he's his heir uh heir apparent was a long time assistant of his and I'm right now I can't come up with his name but he left there went to uh well he went to a Mac school was quite successful there. I forgot what school it was but uh the guy they got to replace him that was uh the first coach they had when they went to the big 10
00:56:25
Speaker
He wasn't so bad, but he didn't he didn't rise to the level that they thought of. Then they just went to a series of coaches that were just disasters. Scott Frost. I know they had a lot of hope for him to turn the thing around. But you know, I mean, you know, it's just I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but you know, might be just trying to recruit players to come to Lincoln, Nebraska. You know, it's not really the sunshine state. I mean, it's really not like
00:56:55
Speaker
being recruited and asking to go somewhere else. I mean, it's just, I think the coach you were looking for after Tom Osborne might've been Bo Pelini. No, no, that was two. That was the one.
00:57:08
Speaker
He came after later. Bo Pelini was the coach that came into the big team. Oh, you mean right after? Well, the run that came right after was Frank Solich. Solich, that's the guy I was trying to think of. His Solich was a, he did, he had double digit win seasons, but he wasn't winning the big 12 and he wasn't winning national championships and they thought they could do better and they let him go and brought in Bo Pelini. Pelini was an eight, nine win top coach. They let him go.
00:57:38
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And then I thought they brought in the coach from, uh, Bill Callahan was Bill Callahan. He was between Solich and Polini. Right. Uh, Bill Callahan came in and he was a disaster. And yeah, that's right. And so, uh, they just, one just got worse than the other, but Matt Rule is a good coach. So they, you know, the best, best shot is to give him a chance.
00:58:05
Speaker
Give him, give the man, give the man an opportunity. You know, he's got, he's got, uh, what four years of frost to make up for. So, you know, not going to be done in one season over there for sure. No doubt. No doubt. Uh, I don't know if you heard about this one, uh, kind of close the show on this thing here, Illinois and Kansas.
Charity Basketball Game Announcement
00:58:23
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Hooking up in a charity game, a basketball game that is, uh, they, they played last year in a, what they called a secret scrimmage. It was.
00:58:33
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Hardly seek it. Everybody knew what happened. It was all over the, the Alina message boards and everything, but they were going to do it again this year. And the two coaches got the talking and this is shortly after the fires in Hawaii, the Maui fires there in Hawaii.
00:58:50
Speaker
And they decided to what they'll do instead of having a secret scrimmage is they're going to have a charity game to raise money for victims of the fires in the wildfire in Hawaii. And that will be October 29th, 5pm in Champaign. And it will be the first time Bill Self has come back to Champaign since he left.
00:59:16
Speaker
since he left to go to Kansas. So that's going to be very interesting how well he gets. It's been a long time. It's been a long time since he's been there. Self is kind of an interesting character. He's not a popular coach with other fan bases. So, you know, he may get, he may get a reception. They did that once done with Mizzou and Kansas played a charity exhibition game.
00:59:44
Speaker
Race money for the Joplin. I think it was Joplin tornado victim. Oh, yeah So anyway, so that sounds that's a good deal It's a good way for the scoop for the both coaches to get a measure of where their team is that before they hit oh, yeah
01:00:01
Speaker
No doubt about that. And the game will be actually be on BTN big 10 network. So it'll be actually be on the big 10 network. So I'm assuming that'll be so they can publicize the relief 800 number and all that. And I know the tickets on that, the tickets on that thing are just outrageous. I looked into it and I'm like, I ain't got, you know, I don't need, I don't want to feel like going to sell my car so I can get a ticket to that.
01:00:29
Speaker
Really? There you go. Oh, yeah. They're talking like $2,300 for, for down on the floor and all those like, I'll watch it on BTN. I'll watch it when it comes out. But, uh, but yeah, so that's coming up for, uh, this thought I'd get that little plug in there for Illinois. Well, anything else you want to talk about?
01:00:48
Speaker
Well, we covered it pretty well, Don, I think. I don't want to ramble on about something, but, you know, this will be a good week in football for both schools to measure where they're at. I know young guys in Florida, Atlantic, but still yet, the next two, three weeks will be a good measure and stick for both schools.
01:01:09
Speaker
So anyway, I'm about ready to run out of juice here on my computer. Okay. Well, and is that being the case? Then I'll just let everybody know that, uh, I want to thank Russ for coming on with me tonight and, uh, let everybody know that the gateway city sports is where you find podcasts, a lot of different articles.
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