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In Today's Show
- Feature Interview - Gary Moore, Executive Director Colorado Mountain Bike association
- Cycling News/Updates - Taylor Knibb wins women’s time trial at the U.S. road cycling championships; Time Trial at Chatfield this Fall
- Triathlon News/Updates - Morgan Pearson and Leonie Periault win in Yokohama
- Coaching Tip of the Week - OWS/Bike/Run
Feature Interview: Gary Moore, Colorado MTB Assoc.
COMBA got its start in 1991 when a group of mountain bikers decided to start repairing and improving the trails they rode nearly every day. From those simple roots COMBA has grown to provide a broad range of services touching all aspects of mountain biking, allowing us to support our partner land managers in building world-class MTB experiences.
Gary Moore brings years of outdoor recreation advocacy and trail building to his role as Executive Director of the Colorado Mountain Bike Association. Starting as a volunteer, he learned the art and science of trail design and construction through hands-on efforts.
Taking the helm for COMBA in 2016 brought Gary to Colorado with his wife and daughters where he brings his skills to bear to pursue world-class trails in the Front Range. He earned a Bachelor of Science in Communications from Stephen F. Austin State University and has a background in media production, operations management and information technology.
303Cycling News and Updates:
Olympic triathlete Taylor Knibb wins US cycling time trial to earn spot in Paris in a second sport
Fall Time Trial Series Considered at Chatfield
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Transcript
Introduction and Upcoming Events
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Welcome everybody to your 303 Endurance Podcast.
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Aloha everybody, get ready for your 303 Endurance Podcast.
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Woo!
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Welcome to episode 439 of the 303 Endurance Podcast.
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We're your host, Coach Rich Soares, and 303 Chief Editor, Bill
Ironman Boulder 70.3 Volunteer Opportunities
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Plok.
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Thanks for joining us for another week of endurance news, coaching tips, and discussion.
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Bill, we've got another great interview this week.
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We've got Gary Moore, the Executive Director of Colorado Mountain Bike Association, and we've got a little bit of catching up to do.
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How are you doing, man?
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I am well.
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Doing good.
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Scott, all of a sudden it's summer out, isn't it?
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All of a sudden it's summer.
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Last weekend it was not summer.
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It was, I'll tell you about next weekend at Chatfield.
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Oh, yeah.
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Big news right now is you and me and this volunteer gig at Ironman Boulder 70.3.
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Looking forward to doing that with you, my friend.
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Yeah, I'm excited about that.
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I'm not sure it's big news, but big news for us.
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It's big news for us.
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Well, you know, I'm going to actually use this to kind of put a call out for anybody who thinks that they want to do this.
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So we've got a couple of things going on.
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Bill, you're doing the lead podcast.
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You're doing the bike lead for the pro runners.
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So you're going to either be with first place, second place, third place, male or female pro runners riding behind them.
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That's a pretty sweet gig right there at the front of the race.
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Yeah.
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As we talked last week, it'll be interesting.
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I'm excited about it.
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I mean, at least we, at least we follow the pros so we don't have to be responsible for navigation, right?
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Clean your bike.
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You're going to be on Ironman live.
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I know, but I, so I don't know which bike to ride, frankly.
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Like, yeah.
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What are you writing?
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I would go, well, I'm not doing that.
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I'm only, I'm only getting volunteers for it.
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So that's my part in this conversation is if anybody is listening to this and wants to do a, do that gig, reach out, let us know.
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You and I are now co-captains on this.
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So you can reach out to either Bill or me and let me, let us know if you're interested in volunteering.
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I can recruit somebody.
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Totally.
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Oh, okay.
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I thought it might be full.
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How many do you, how many do we have right
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now?
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Do you know?
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Well, we've got you.
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That takes one of six.
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You don't think we have more than that?
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That have signed up?
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I really don't know.
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I don't think it's full.
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Okay.
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I doubt that it's full.
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I'll think about who else might want to do that.
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I just can't decide whether it's a mountain bike or my gravel bike.
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And I don't think, I mean, I can go plenty fast on either one.
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So I'm just wondering more from a handling standpoint.
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Right.
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Because I mean,
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You want to look around.
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You want to make sure everything's cool.
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And like my mountain bike's got flat pedals.
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I mean, I could put my flat pedals on my gravel bike, of course, because I feel like that just might make more sense.
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I mean, I can clip in really well, just like for mountain biking.
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So I'm not too worried.
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I'm not worried about it too much.
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But I may have to practice both and just kind of see.
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There you go.
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Do a couple of laps around the res.
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I might have a person or two that might be interested in doing that.
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Good.
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So there we go.
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Got a call out.
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a call to action for anybody who wants to volunteer either in transition.
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So you can be out there with us, helping other athletes getting ready, or you can be riding wraps around the, uh, laps around
Interview with Gary Moore: Personal Journey
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the res with Bill and the pros.
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Dude, let's jump into our show.
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We've got,
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In today's show, we've got our feature interview with Gary Moore, the Executive Director of Colorado Mountain Bike Association.
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We've got some really cool news in the cycling world.
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Taylor Nibb wins the Women's Time Trial at the U.S. Road Cycling Championship.
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We're going to talk about that.
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And I just took that survey bill, the potential time trial out at Chatfield this fall.
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Yeah.
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It's kind of like, duh.
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But I know it's been hard for them to get that conversation even going.
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So it sounds like they've made some headway with whoever's in charge out there to make that happen.
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Yeah, I thought that would never happen.
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So I'm totally excited.
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I filled out the survey and said, if it happens, I'm there.
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Yeah, that's great.
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And then in the triathlon news, dude, Boulder-based Morgan Pearson.
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wins the World Triathlon Championship Series at Yokohama last weekend and secures a spot on the Olympics.
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I saw that.
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That's great.
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Frickin' crushed it.
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He's always been a super fast runner, but man, put it together.
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There was a crash on the bike that might have thinned the field a little bit, but outran Christian Blumenfeldt.
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I'd like to share a story after our interview about a local legend that you may or may not know that I happened to see last night on my bike.
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Scott Christopher used to work for Bicycle Colorado.
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His wife is Sue Lloyd with Inspired Training.
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So friend of the show.
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I don't think we've had her on, but they're all over the place with biking in Colorado.
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And I've got a great story to share about him.
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Dude, I would say roll into it.
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Let's just roll into it after the interview because I want to get to it.
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Yeah, let's get to Gary because I think this is a cool interview because I think a lot of us take trails for granted.
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We take
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you know, we think they should just be there and we're all, all users of trails, whether it's hiking, walking, riding bikes.
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If some of us might have horses, probably not many people listening to this show are equestrians, but you never know.
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But, but inevitably we've probably all found ourselves on some local trails here on the front range and Jeffco and Douglas County and Highlands Ranch, even in Denver County.
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Um, Comba has a lot to do with those trails and, um,
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I think people will find this interview very interesting in terms of what really happens to make those possible.
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I think that's a great intro.
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Let's just roll right into it.
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Let's get into our interview with Gary Moore right now.
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All right.
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As you heard in our lead up, we have the executive director of the Colorado Mountain Bike Association, Gary Moore, joining us today.
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Gary, welcome.
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We're glad that you're with us.
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Listen, we do this thing with all of our new guests where we play this game called Two Truths and a Lie.
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It's really straightforward.
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We ask you for three statements about yourself, two of which you know to be true, one you know to be a lie.
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And Bill and I will try to pick the lie out of the bunch.
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If you're a game, we are, and we're ready to roll.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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Hit me.
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You go.
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So three statements about yourself.
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It could be anything.
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Yeah.
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Well, let's see.
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I've been married for almost 40 years.
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I've been riding bikes off road since 1973.
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And I graduated from high school in Orlando, Florida.
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I mean, it could be the marriage.
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It could be like 35.
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You're just playing with us with numbers.
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It could be – I'm going to say you did not go to high school in Orlando, Florida.
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Rich, you have a guess.
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I'm going to say you've been riding mountain bikes since 1973.
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I'm going to say 73.
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I'm trying to say how old are you?
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I'm going to say 1973 is a lie on a technicality.
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Okay.
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I did not go to high school in Orlando, Florida.
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Where'd you go to high school?
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Kingwood, Texas.
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Texas.
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Okay.
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So is that where you grew up?
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I actually grew up in San Diego.
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That's where I started riding off-road.
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Back then we had 10 speeds on 27-inch frames and 700c tires, and we would just put BMX handlebars on them and go hit the motocross trails in the canyons.
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Oh, how cool.
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That was a big deal in San Diego.
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The dirt scene out there is pretty crazy, isn't it?
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Yeah, I'm sure it's gotten a lot better.
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I left in 1981 against my will.
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I was moved to Houston, Texas between ninth and 10th grade.
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Bit of a culture shock moving from San Diego to Houston at that time in your life.
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But it did lead to me meeting my wife there in Houston in 1985.
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So that backs up my other fact.
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Well, congratulations on 40 years.
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That's awesome.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, it's awesome.
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How many kids do you have?
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We have two girls.
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They're in their mid-20s now.
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Both live here in Denver with us.
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We were fortunate when we came to move to Denver here in 2016 to take this job with Comba.
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I'm our first full-time employee, and we were fortunate that it was a time when both our girls could come with us, and so we're really fortunate to have our whole family here.
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So that, to me...
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That was a pretty big risk you took.
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I mean, there was a fairly small budget when you started there.
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I remember meeting with you early on.
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It was extremely small.
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Yeah.
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Not the kind of salary you move across the country for.
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Yeah.
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What was it that really drew you to take on that job?
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You know, I had started, I got back into what I would call modern mountain biking in 2010.
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At that point, we were living outside of Atlanta in a little town called Woodstock, Georgia.
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And our daughters had gotten to an age where we were ready to branch back out and start doing things on our own again.
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And I had just finally given up playing basketball at that point.
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I was probably in my mid-40s and I was tired of chasing 20-year-olds around rec basketball courts.
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So we decided to, you know, I brought it up to my wife.
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I was surprised at her answer, but I was like, hey, what do you think about mountain biking?
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And she was like, I'm in, let's go.
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So in 2010, we went out and bought our first, you know, again, modern mountain bikes, things that were actually built as mountain bikes and started riding and instantly fell in love with it again and was amazed at how much things had changed in the time that I'd been, had stepped aside from cycling.
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Trails are better, bikes are better.
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And so I started volunteering, we both did, with the local EMBA chapter there.
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Sorba Woodstock in 2010.
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And so over the next six years, I just volunteered
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with them quite a bit.
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was on the board, was trails director, learned about the art and science of modern trail building and had the opportunity towards the end of that to take over one of our major new projects that gave me a chance to learn the advocacy and fundraising side and working with the county and city.
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You know, I became a regular fixture there in City Hall for the city of Woodstock.
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I was often the only person in the audience for a city planning meeting or something like that.
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But it was really just kind of a crash course.
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I'd stepped aside from about 10 years, 12 years of doing IT work, decided I was having a lot more fun being back out in the physical world, building trails, building bridges, building experiences for people.
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that were gonna be around for generations.
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Most IT work, unfortunately, has a shelf life that is quite a bit shorter than that.
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And just really fell in love.
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I hadn't really been a volunteer my whole life.
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And so that was a new experience.
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And after six years of doing that with them,
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I got a chance for my first executive director job there in Woodstock, working with a, an organization that was trying to raise money for concrete trails and paths.
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Um, we had a very, very, uh, uh, I guess, uh, aggressive or optimistic plan there for what we could get done.
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And, um,
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Yeah, so that gave me the chance to learn more about the nonprofit world and being an executive director and grants and fundraising and all that part of it.
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So it was two or three years there of almost like going back to school and just really learning this new industry.
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I had not been anywhere near nonprofits or advocacy.
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I had stayed away from sales and marketing intentionally.
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It was not something I had any interest in doing.
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So some irony there that that's a big part of what we do here now.
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But yeah, I had a buddy that moved out here from Atlanta about a year before I did, and he met the Comba folks.
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And right around the time, they were looking to hire a full-time executive director.
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And I don't know, somehow talked him into it from 2,000 miles away.
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That's incredible.
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And three weeks later, I was living in that buddy's basement in Highlands Ranch without my family for nine months.
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That was an interesting journey.
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But it just really gave me the chance to learn Denver, learn Comba, figure out where we wanted to put our home and those kinds of things.
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And so it was a tough transition.
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But ultimately, like I said, one daughter graduated college, the other one graduated high school, and they came out and joined me in summer of 2017.
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And we're stoked to be here.
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Go ahead, Rich.
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I was going to say, I kind of tuned into something here, which is you came from an IT background and all of the learning that you have done since, whether it's the arts and crafts of modern trail building or the nonprofit world.
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I'm actually kind of stuck on the arts and science of modern trail building.
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So I'd love to hear more about that.
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No, I mean, I think that's really what drew me in was, and I say this all the time, but humans have a sort of an innate understanding of what you do with a dirt trail.
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You know, you go where it goes.
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And I don't think most of us give much thought beyond that.
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Typically, especially if hiking or trail running has kind of been your way to interact with trails.
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And so when I saw...
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The variety, the things that we could do to create very different experiences from a hiking trail to a view shed to, you know, for mountain bikers, the tread is our experience.
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I refer to it as a roller coaster.
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You know, you.
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You've designed a roller coaster to create, you know, g-forces and light spots and you try to, you know, create speed and you work with all those dynamics in the physical world.
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And trails are exactly the same.
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We're doing the same thing.
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We're trying to create periods where you're just letting it rip and then there's areas where you're being more technical and more in control.
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So, you know, the variety of techniques used in trail design and maintenance and construction that create those experiences is a big part of it.
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But doing that in a way that works with the land, is sustainable, doesn't bifurcate habitat.
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You know, there's that whole other part of what we do in the planning.
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We rely really heavily on Colorado Parks and Wildlife and U.S. Forest Service and all of their what we call ologists.
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But the people that really understand those things, we also have to get to learn those things as well.
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There's quite a bit of understanding habitats and wildlife behaviors and interactions with humans that I and we have had to pick up here along the way to be good partners and to plan good projects.
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So, I mean, I could go on for a while about the art and the science of trail building, but I think that's kind of the basics is that there really is so much more to the creation of that trail and that experience than I think 95% of people would ever even stop to consider.
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I always take note when I'm out hiking or running, just, you know, when you see how rocks and other things are used to build steps and
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curved berms and there's a lot of there's a lot to put in that stuff in place i mean must be a lot of specialized equipment too to move some of those big rocks to be able to create the stairs or the features that you use yeah you know you'd be surprised a lot of it comes to good old hand tools and just sweat equity you know i mean just getting down there with your gloves and and a pry bar and and a chisel and and a shovel and and making it work we do
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We do quite a bit of mechanized trail building as well with mini Xs.
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And obviously a mini X with a bucket and a thumb can move much larger pieces of rock and get those set in place.
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And that's obviously our preference.
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But so much of what we're doing here in the front range is maintaining trails that have been here for quite a while.
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And so when we're going out and we're rock armoring a section or we're building
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in a set of steps or something like that,
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That by and large is still done by hand with fairly ancient looking devices.
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Yeah.
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It's nothing that looks modern at all.
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Well, how does your trail building coincide with bikes?
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In other words, bikes have gotten so technologically advanced in the last few years, travel, wheel size, all the different e-bikes and the weight of e-bikes.
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Sure.
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How is that affecting you when you look at it building a trail?
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You know, when we talk about something like e-bikes or the different kinds of bikes that are out there, there's not a lot that we're taking into account from that standpoint.
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It really is more about the experience that we're trying to create.
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Obviously, with bikes continuously getting better all the time, it does free us up in what we're building.
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And it's actually, in some ways, it's a challenge.
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You know, we moved away from...
00:18:20
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You know, rock armoring, for one thing, I was just talking with one of our trail builders, Dustin London, he's our field operations manager this year.
00:18:27
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Proud to actually have that as a full time position this year, managing all of our work parties, both for paid staff and for volunteers.
00:18:36
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But it's
00:18:39
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The temptation when you're doing rock armoring is to create a sidewalk or to create a patio.
00:18:45
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We have this mindset, I guess, just from other parts of your world where you want it to be nice.
00:18:51
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You want it to be perfect.
00:18:52
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You want everything to kind of sit in there and lay next to each other and be nice and flat and dovetail the jigsaw pieces together.
00:19:02
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And it was something that was probably in the Maryland Mountain Project in Blackhawk, summer of 20, where we really started trying to see if we could do rock armoring in a more natural fashion.
00:19:14
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Can we create uneven rock armoring?
00:19:17
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Can we...
00:19:17
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Can we deliberately put in edges and bumps and steps and drops and, and things that, you know, make a sustainable permanent surface, but isn't so smooth that it's boring.
00:19:29
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You know, if you're out there on a, you know, I think the average right now is probably a one 41 50 travel bike, you know, here in the front range.
00:19:38
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Let's put some intrigue in there.
00:19:39
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Let's, let's make the bike work a little bit.
00:19:41
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Let's make the rider work a little bit.
00:19:42
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Let's create an experience.
00:19:44
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Yeah.
00:19:44
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you know, hopefully with some progression that allows people to get better, you know, ride something with small bumps and work your way up to big trumps and big drops and those kinds of things.
00:19:57
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So it has both allowed us to be more creative in our trail building, but at the same time, it's also been a challenge because that's something that our community is asking for.
00:20:09
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They want gnarlier, they want it more raw, they want it more rugged.
00:20:13
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Otherwise, you know, these big bikes just float over.
00:20:16
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It's 29ers, you know, with 150, 160 travel.
00:20:19
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They just float over everything like it's not there, and it numbs the experience a little bit to some extent.
00:20:25
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So, yeah, I think that's – it kind of cuts both ways.
00:20:29
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Well, you've got to account for pedestrian use too, obviously, with –
00:20:34
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multi-use trail.
00:20:36
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Yeah, like we were talking about the other day, that's, you know, it has been, it was probably close to 100% of the trails we built in 2017, 2018 were multi-use, bi-directional.
00:20:47
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You know, it's built for everybody going in every way.
00:20:50
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That really limits what you can do as a trail designer and a trail builder.
00:20:55
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You kind of have to, you know, make something that's as accommodating as possible for every user type and experience.
00:21:03
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What we've had so much great success with since opening the Sleuce in 2019, and then three more bike-only directional trails at Maryland Mountain, and we have, I can't even count the number of bike-only directional trails we're building right now in Idaho Springs.
00:21:20
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As a designer and a builder, that is so much fun to be able to say, we have one user group, they're going in one direction, and we're creating this one type of experience, and you can just lay into that.
00:21:34
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And so all of our projects, Floyd Hill, Maryland Mountain, Virginia Canyon, Trek Trails at Virginia Canyon Mountain Park, all of those we have tried to institute what we call kind of the modern management techniques, which is separation by speed, directional travel controls and designated use.
00:21:54
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And so we will create and we've done this most frequently.
00:21:58
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you know, sort of obviously in Idaho Springs with the Virginia Canyon project, where there's one trail that takes you from the very bottom to the very tippy top.
00:22:10
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And it's hiking both directions.
00:22:11
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It's four miles long.
00:22:12
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It climbs 1,300 feet, has a three to 5% average grade.
00:22:18
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And like I said, hikers can go both up and down on that trail, but bikes are only allowed to go uphill on that trail.
00:22:24
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Gotcha.
00:22:24
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And then we have separate trails for the bikes to come down because that's where we're so much faster.
00:22:29
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We all go uphill roughly the same speed.
00:22:33
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It's not uncommon for me to get passed by a trail runner going uphill.
00:22:36
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Right.
00:22:38
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But when we turn around and come downhill, we're going sometimes 10 times faster.
00:22:43
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And the experience that mountain bikers by and large are looking for is that.
00:22:47
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It's the turning and pointing downhill and letting her rip without concern for safety of other trail users.
00:22:55
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It really just makes everything work better.
00:22:57
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It allows us to put a lot more people on the same amount of trails with less conflicts and with greater safety.
00:23:05
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Let's let me maybe paint a big picture for folks.
00:23:09
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Comba, if I'm not mistaken, you guys work Jefferson County, Clear Creek County, Douglas County, some Park County.
00:23:18
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Gilpin County.
00:23:19
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Gilpin.
00:23:20
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Yeah.
00:23:21
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Yeah.
00:23:21
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Probably.
00:23:22
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You could probably throw a wrap a hoe and Adams in there.
00:23:25
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And Denver, I guess.
00:23:26
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Douglas.
00:23:27
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Yeah.
00:23:28
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So you have a huge area.
00:23:31
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Yeah, we have.
00:23:32
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probably more than a dozen land managers that we're working with, whether that's municipal, county open space, state or federal.
00:23:40
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A lot of relationships.
00:23:43
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Do you work with the Highlands Ranch Recreation Association for the backcountry trails or is your footprint in Douglas County further to the south?
00:23:55
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We have definitely worked with the HRCA down there.
00:23:59
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I will say, unfortunately, without much success in terms of changing the nature of those trail experiences.
00:24:06
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We've done a lot of work over the last few years trying to establish a bike park down there off of 85 on that side, kind of the southwest side of the Highlands Ranch area.
00:24:17
Speaker
They have a really nice parcel, but it also, you know, there's a lot of land managers involved in that from Douglas County to the development district to the HRCA and so forth.
00:24:31
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So we haven't unfortunately been able to find the way forward to shovel ready on that one yet, but.
00:24:39
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We do work with them.
00:24:40
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We've worked with the city of Castle Rock with the Ridgeline Trails, still have some projects down there that we'd like to see move forward.
00:24:49
Speaker
And ultimately, a lot of that just comes down to time and resources.
00:24:52
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We we have always tried to have.
00:24:56
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a lead within a volunteer lead within our trails team for each of these land managers, somebody that can really develop that relationship, get to know them, find out what's important, what the challenges are, what the opportunities are, and to actually lead the work parties, you know, in on their land.
00:25:14
Speaker
And we haven't always been able to keep that staffed, right?
00:25:17
Speaker
There's probably, we could use 10 or 12 of those volunteers.
00:25:20
Speaker
And I think right now we have about six, right?
00:25:22
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So a lot of times it just comes to capacity.
00:25:24
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We'll try to put some muscle behind a project like that.
00:25:29
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And ultimately, you know, we kind of have to go make hay where the sun is shining, if you will.
00:25:36
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For us lately, that has been Clear Creek County, City of Idaho Springs, City of Blackhawk and Gilpin County.
00:25:42
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And so when we get to a place where we know we can start building some trails or improving some trails, then we kind of go all in and get that done.
00:25:54
Speaker
What's your, like you mentioned all the land managers.
00:25:57
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How is that relationship typically?
00:25:59
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Is it you're reaching out to them to try to work on trails or have ideas for new trails or whatever?
00:26:06
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Are they reaching out to you equally to come help them with their maintenance and their trail building that they have
00:26:13
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identify themselves?
00:26:14
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Yeah, it's really both.
00:26:16
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You know, I think that we are a pretty proactive group and that we definitely will spin that plate back up if it gets a little slow.
00:26:27
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But ultimately, you know, I think the thing that people need to keep in mind is Comba doesn't own any land.
Volunteer Work in Trail Maintenance
00:26:36
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And so every opportunity that we're trying to create for any trail users,
00:26:42
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ultimately is a matter of getting permission from somebody who does own the land.
00:26:46
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So from that state, it just kind of naturally sets up that, you know, we're going to come knocking on your door and let you know that we have these resources.
00:26:55
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Comba, particularly over the last seven or eight years, we've developed a really broad set of skills and acumen in terms of being able to help soup to nuts on trails projects, whether it starts with simple maintenance or whether there's a new trail system or trail that can be planned.
00:27:14
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We are good at getting in and helping with the conceptual plans and creating those maps that help those conversations move forward.
00:27:22
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We ultimately work towards getting to approval of that master plan by working with planning commissions and city councils.
00:27:30
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and move on into designing the trail system, funding the construction of it.
00:27:37
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Like right now, we're acting as the construction and project managers in Idaho Springs to manage the probably three or four different teams that we have out there working on that construction.
00:27:48
Speaker
And then ultimately you move back into that maintenance phase.
00:27:51
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And we have our seasonal maintenance team.
00:27:53
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This will be our fourth year with what we affectionately call our Strikeforce.
00:27:59
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That's a team of five or six individuals that work from May to October full-time.
00:28:06
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And that's really had a big impact on what we've been able to do in this region.
00:28:10
Speaker
Again, with nearly 500 miles of trails in our area in Colorado soil, which is a challenge to keep trails kind of together.
00:28:21
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And so there's work, there's more work than we can get to as it is.
00:28:24
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But we've, you know, between our volunteers and our paid staff and our seasonal staff, we did over 11,000 hours of trail work last year, which was pretty incredible for us and a group our size.
00:28:38
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And we're looking to do better than that this year.
00:28:42
Speaker
That's amazing.
00:28:42
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I was trying to move that forward.
00:28:45
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That's incredible.
00:28:45
Speaker
I mean, do you have, I would imagine each land manager has its own challenges.
00:28:51
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Some like Jeffco open space, let's say my understanding from like Scott Waters, you and I talked, we both know him and he's the trail villain machine, but they're, they have a kind of a mentality from my understanding that they're there to protect the space first and foremost, not to recreate in the space.
00:29:10
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So they understand that people do recreate,
00:29:13
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But they want to really control that because they're there to really be stewards of the land.
00:29:18
Speaker
So how do you approach that mentality versus maybe in Gilpin County where they're more like, hey, we want people to come to our county and recreate?
00:29:26
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Yeah.
00:29:26
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And really, you've hit the nail on the head there.
00:29:29
Speaker
I mean, that really is one of the main differences between land managers is
00:29:33
Speaker
Somebody like JCOS has, we said off the top, they have 7 million visitors a year, right?
00:29:38
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I mean, they have all the people they can handle and it's not an economic decision for them.
00:29:45
Speaker
Somebody like a Gilpin County, Blackhawk, Idaho Springs especially is a good example.
00:29:52
Speaker
They're very much, you know, those counties, those areas are looking to move from being reliant on an extraction economy, mining and drilling,
00:30:01
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to a green economy and outdoor recreation and outdoor recreation.
00:30:06
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I think just last year in Colorado became our largest economy.
00:30:10
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Our largest economic driver in Colorado is now outdoor recreation.
00:30:14
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We have finally surpassed oil and gas, um, and some of those other things.
00:30:19
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So, um,
00:30:20
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Yeah, there's a little more fertile ground there where they are looking to bring people into their community to spend money with their businesses to make their homes more valuable because they have trails nearby, which last time I checked was still the number one thing people look for when picking out a house.
00:30:38
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So, yeah, they've got, they're coming from a place of an extraction economy, which is obviously really hard on the land and the habitat.
00:30:46
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Whereas JCOS is more, they've got all the humans and they've got all those impacts and they're trying to, you know, limit additional damage, you know, slow the clock a little bit on the encroachment of humans in the habitats.
00:31:03
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And justifiably, I think preservation is something particularly along the front range that needs a
00:31:09
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needs bolstering.
00:31:11
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It needs a champion.
00:31:13
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And we work very closely with our preservation and conservation advocates that do what I do, but with a different focus.
00:31:20
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Each of our projects goes through anywhere from a year to three years of just land use, landscape level planning.
00:31:28
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Our Outside 285 program that we started in 2018 is now a regional partnership initiative.
00:31:35
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here within Colorado Parks and Wildlife.
00:31:37
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And we have 34 different stakeholder groups that get together regularly and all put our eyes on the same problems and opportunities and figure out what's the best way forward for Colorado.
00:31:49
Speaker
Do you get involved with facilities on land, like bathrooms or any other sort of facilities to help?
00:31:56
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You know, somewhat begrudgingly.
00:31:59
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It's not our expertise.
00:32:02
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I will say the number of times I've gotten drawn into trying to help solve human waste problems definitely outnumbers what I would have expected.
00:32:11
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But generally, no, that part of the infrastructure really is outside of our purview.
00:32:17
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We will certainly, on some projects, that's already been handled before we arrived.
00:32:22
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Blackhawk, for example, they built this wonderful multi-million dollar trailhead with bathrooms and a nice paved parking lot and all those kinds of amenities were baked in before we got out there and got on that project working on the trails.
00:32:37
Speaker
Idaho Springs is a little bit different in that there was nothing there and there's a lot of
00:32:43
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different development projects going on in Idaho Springs, including the Mighty Argo cable car, which has been a great partner for us.
00:32:51
Speaker
We're anxiously awaiting news of their beginning construction on that project.
00:32:57
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So there's a lot of infrastructure.
00:32:59
Speaker
There's a, like we're working with a graphic designer architect guy now that we're hoping actually gets more involved in this project.
00:33:09
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To help us with your basic trail signs all the way up to we want to do interpretive signage that talks about the history of the area.
00:33:19
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And then we also want to have, you know, help the city and the other business partners in the city work together to really make Virginia Canyon Mountain Park integrated within the city.
00:33:30
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so that there is a similar look and feel to the signage throughout the city that you'll see in the mountain park, right?
00:33:37
Speaker
So we're working with people that do branding and do wayfinding, and we're a lot more involved in that part of this project with Idaho Springs, partly because it's been a seven-year journey already, than necessarily than we were with Floyd Hill or maybe a one-off trail project like Rutabaga Ride, those kind of things.
00:33:57
Speaker
Did you have anything to do with the Castle Rock with the park down there with the zip line?
00:34:02
Speaker
Man, I was just at a mountain bike race down there.
00:34:04
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That is one amazing facility with all the trails and the fun stuff like the zip lines going right over the top of the mountain bikes.
00:34:13
Speaker
I mean, it's a little bit with what might be going on in Idaho Springs eventually.
00:34:19
Speaker
I don't know about zip lines.
00:34:21
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You know, I think right now the vision is primarily just the trail system and the gondola.
00:34:28
Speaker
The gondola project itself is pretty impressive.
00:34:31
Speaker
You should go check out their website as well.
00:34:34
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What they're envisioning and hopefully creating there for the top of the mountain will be a pretty special place for people to go and hang out, you know, before, during, and after recreating on the trail system.
00:34:46
Speaker
What's the website?
00:34:48
Speaker
I'm not familiar with what's going on up there at all.
00:34:52
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Mighty Argo Cable Car.
00:34:54
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Mighty Argo Cable Car.
00:34:55
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Okay.
00:34:56
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While we're talking, I'll get you an URL.
00:34:59
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Interesting.
00:35:01
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So do you... I don't know who it is.
00:35:02
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MightyArgo.com is the first place to start.
00:35:06
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MightyArgo.com.
00:35:07
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I'm fascinated by the number of stakeholder groups that you have to work with.
00:35:13
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34-ish, right?
00:35:14
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I think is what you said.
00:35:16
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Yeah, within outside 285, that's our panel.
00:35:19
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And that does include...
00:35:22
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You know, the Forest Service South Platte Ranger District and the South Park Ranger District, as well as Jefferson County and Douglas County.
00:35:31
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Right.
00:35:31
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But most of it is primarily advocates, whether it's Colorado Wildlife Federation, which is an amazing partner for us to Colorado Mountain Club, who has been there from the start as well.
00:35:44
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Right on through, you know, not everybody is as active and involved in every meeting, but certainly when it comes down to we're considering a project or we're looking for a solution, it goes out to everybody and they have the opportunity to weigh in and give us their their expertise and their viewpoint on the pros and cons of a particular action or non-action.
00:36:07
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But yeah, it gets it gets down to groups that I didn't know exist.
00:36:10
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And I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know I existed either.
00:36:13
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But, you know, Wild Turkey Federation and Child Unlimited and, you know, some of these groups that, you know, all walks of life.
00:36:20
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Colorado is is an amazing playground.
00:36:23
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And what we want more than anything is to preserve that, you know, mountain bikers don't always get associated with conservation.
00:36:32
Speaker
But we do our best to communicate that because we do actually put quite a bit of time into working with people that understand the habitats and the impacts on animals as best we can.
00:36:45
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You know, a lot of that science is unsettled.
00:36:48
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I think that there is still an emerging science to understand, you know, the interactions between elk and humans or the interactions between any other species and humans.
00:37:00
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And what the humans are doing, right?
00:37:02
Speaker
I mean, the way they react to a hiker compared to a mountain biker can be very different depending on the species as well.
00:37:09
Speaker
Anecdotally, you know, the bigger game actually are more concerned by hikers, partly because they have dogs and partly because they're a little more likely to go off trail.
Getting Involved in Trail Projects
00:37:19
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And mountain bikers, we really like to stay on trail.
00:37:23
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That's where our experience is.
00:37:25
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And we're not looking to go, you know, get into the weeds and start breaking stuff up.
00:37:30
Speaker
Where is the, you know, cars versus road bikes, you know, a constant, you know, motorist versus cyclist out on the roads, right?
00:37:38
Speaker
But what about mountain bikers?
00:37:39
Speaker
Who's the, where's the most friction between mountain bikers and equestrian or between hikers or who's really pushing back the most on your world?
00:37:50
Speaker
You know, I think primarily that would be more the preservation or conservation groups, which often include sportsmen in those groups.
00:38:01
Speaker
A distinction that is a little bit fuzzy, you know, whether a sportsman is more consumptive or conservationist.
00:38:11
Speaker
That line gets blurred quite a bit, but those are the groups that primarily are looking to reduce, limit, prevent trails projects are those that want to use the land in a very, very different way.
00:38:27
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And that's certainly their prerogative, but we still work with them.
00:38:31
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I worked with backcountry hunters and anglers quite a bit.
00:38:34
Speaker
We even tried to submit a joint grant effort last year for Indian Creek.
00:38:40
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Unfortunately, we didn't get it because I was really kind of looking forward to having that experience of working with them on a larger project like that.
00:38:45
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But, you know, it's the big challenge and the conversation we have in Colorado so much is that conservation versus recreation.
00:38:57
Speaker
And, you know, in my mind, it really shouldn't be so much versus as and, you know, conservation and recreation.
00:39:05
Speaker
And how do we balance that?
00:39:06
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And how do we make sure that Colorado remains that place that we all want to be outdoors in?
00:39:12
Speaker
You know, mountain bikers are as interested in seeing elk and moose and all those things out there while we're riding as anybody else.
00:39:20
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And the last thing we want to do is create a trails project that, you know, makes it difficult for those herds to thrive and survive and to be a part of Colorado's landscape.
00:39:30
Speaker
So there's a lot to balance.
00:39:32
Speaker
You know, we just came through a year-long planning effort for Indian Creek Recreation Area, which is primarily on Forest Service land there just south of Roxborough State Park.
00:39:43
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:39:43
Speaker
Yeah.
00:39:45
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a lot of historic social trail, non-sinction trails in that area, and just brought with it a lot of problems, both with where those legacy social trails had been
00:40:00
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which were primarily in riparian corridors where we always really try to stay out of.
00:40:05
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So, yeah, we had a really good conversation.
00:40:07
Speaker
There were probably 12 of us that were the primary folks in that conversation and working through how can we create a recreational experience here that
00:40:19
Speaker
Ultimately, at the end of the day, the plan was better for habitat.
00:40:23
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We were able to reduce some of the bifurcation of contiguous tracks of habitat and to create larger tracks that also included the riparian corridors where the social trails had previously been.
00:40:37
Speaker
I guess they're still there now.
00:40:38
Speaker
We're looking for the funding now to go actually put the plan into action, but we have the plan and we're finishing up the environmental plan.
00:40:46
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and cultural analysis now with the forest service on that.
00:40:49
Speaker
So these things are complicated.
00:40:51
Speaker
You know, I, I have trouble explaining to people a lot of times just exactly the, what we go through and we're happy to do so because it's the right way to do it, but it takes time.
00:41:03
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It takes money.
00:41:03
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It takes energy.
00:41:05
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And one of the chief things that, you know, Comba and our community of mountain bikers have,
00:41:12
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benefited from was moving to full-time paid staff.
00:41:17
Speaker
It's literally what we are doing nearly every day of the week.
00:41:22
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And it's the relationship building and maintaining.
00:41:25
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It's the learning and the listening.
00:41:28
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It's the getting people excited about what the possibilities are and finding the resources, primarily money, to put these things into action.
00:41:38
Speaker
So something like
00:41:40
Speaker
Something like Indian Creek was a year of planning.
00:41:43
Speaker
It'll probably be another two years before we've done all the construction and obliteration of the previous routes.
00:41:50
Speaker
Something like Idaho Springs, we're in year seven and we're finally building, we're opening some bike trails hopefully next month.
00:41:58
Speaker
Something like Blackhawk, they already had a lot of that done and we were building trails when we hit the ground.
00:42:04
Speaker
The whole park was built basically in three summers.
00:42:07
Speaker
Let's talk about your organization a little bit, maybe as we start to wind up the conversation.
00:42:12
Speaker
And, you know, it's amazing how much it's grown since you got there, right?
00:42:16
Speaker
I mean, now you have, you mentioned full-time staff, your budgets.
00:42:20
Speaker
I think you mentioned at the Comba meeting.
00:42:22
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Just about 20 fold or so.
00:42:24
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Yeah.
00:42:24
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Yeah.
00:42:24
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I mean, it's just blown up, but you always can use more.
00:42:28
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You need more volunteers.
00:42:29
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Always.
00:42:30
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You can, you can never have enough volunteers.
00:42:33
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Talk about,
00:42:34
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some of the, you know, what the needs are and how people can help the most?
00:42:39
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Well, we always say your money or your time, right?
00:42:42
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We're really good at putting either one of those into action.
00:42:46
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Money, we can support our advocacy efforts and our staff and hire specialists to do things like trail design, trail planning, the aforementioned environmental and cultural work.
00:43:00
Speaker
There's things like that that we just have to have cash to go do.
00:43:05
Speaker
There is a fair amount of volunteer work that we can do always.
00:43:11
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We're always happy to work with businesses that want to do community give back days or come out and do some team building.
00:43:19
Speaker
A good honest day of hard work on Colorado trails is a good way to get to know your fellow employees a little better.
00:43:28
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And then we have, you know, our outreach team, our street team that is deployed to, you know, do fundraising events and educate the public and talk more about what we do.
00:43:39
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We can always put more of either one of those in place.
00:43:42
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We easily right now, I could spend $2 million next week if it fell out of the sky on trails projects.
00:43:50
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And our list of things that are at some point in their evolution in the pipeline here is probably closer to $10 million.
00:43:58
Speaker
Wow.
00:43:59
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How, just give a quick overview on the types of volunteers or some of the skills people need to have.
00:44:05
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Cause I, you know, hopefully some people will hear this and say, yeah, I want to go out and get my hands dirty.
00:44:09
Speaker
And what, talk about the different levels of people that are you looking for?
00:44:13
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Yeah.
00:44:13
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I mean, we, we've got some of that on our website.
00:44:15
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We do kind of lay out a couple of levels of volunteering and, and a progression for people.
00:44:22
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It really literally starts with doing work that is not too different from yard work.
00:44:28
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It's similar tools.
00:44:29
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It's, you know, similar goals.
00:44:30
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You're doing raking, shoveling, things that most people have some ability to pick up fairly quickly.
00:44:37
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And that's really what,
00:44:40
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Folks that are coming out for the first time or come out once a year with a team building effort or something like that, we do tend to keep them on the basic maintenance, opening drains.
00:44:50
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We have a tremendous amount of loose rock here in Colorado that always seems to find its way onto the tread.
00:44:56
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Doing a lot of just raking that stuff off and making the tread nice again and safer.
00:45:01
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Somebody that decides like I did 14 years ago, that this is pretty fun and I'm getting some soul food out of creating those experiences for people.
00:45:09
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Um, then we're happy to start teaching you some of, uh, you know, moving you up the ladder in terms of getting to know more of those principles that are the art and science of trail building and trail maintenance and, and learning how to shape a berm and, and,
00:45:24
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How to create a do rock armoring and developing those skills up to the point that, you know, ultimately what we're hoping each year is that we get a couple of new people that are interested in becoming crew leaders and go out and lead teams and show them how to do this work as well.
00:45:43
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So there really is a full spectrum.
00:45:45
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Like some people fall down that rabbit hole one day of clearing drains.
00:45:49
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And next thing you know, you're building a bridge or creating some sort of wood feature out there.
00:45:55
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It's really just what your...
00:45:58
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you know, primarily time and schedule allow for a lot of people.
00:46:02
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And then ultimately just, you know, are you up for the physical nature of that?
00:46:07
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Colorado, as we all know, the, the, the weather, the outdoors, if you're out there for six, eight, 10 hours, you're going to see a couple of seasons.
00:46:18
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And, and not, that's not just not for everybody.
00:46:20
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It's, it's fairly grueling work.
00:46:22
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The rock is heavy and, and the dirt is, is heavy and the sun is glaring and,
00:46:28
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You know, then you get a 40 mile an hour wind afternoon and you're dealing with that.
00:46:32
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So, again, it's not for everybody.
00:46:35
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The folks that do it, do it because they love it and because they enjoy creating experiences for other folks.
00:46:42
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And they also enjoy shaping their own experience and going out.
00:46:46
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There's nothing more rewarding than going out and riding a piece of trail or a new feature or a new bridge, you know, something like that, that you help build.
00:46:58
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It's there the next hundred times you go down that trail.
00:47:00
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You're like, yeah, I spent a whole day doing this part right here.
00:47:03
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It's still perfect.
00:47:05
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How many people do you need to do a private event?
00:47:11
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I was just looking at there's a private event coming up on the 15th.
00:47:13
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Mm-hmm.
00:47:15
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you know, volunteer group?
00:47:18
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We really try to keep our crews to around four or five.
00:47:22
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That's the most effective size.
00:47:25
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And the number of tools we have, we've gone to a method where we really just kind of have our tools stashed in places all over the front range.
00:47:33
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We have little caches that are under tarps that generally go unnoticed.
00:47:37
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And that way we're not carrying tools in and out all the time and it gets us started faster.
00:47:42
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The corporate, the business partners that we work with, you know, 10 to 15, as many as 20, depending on the nature of the work that we're doing and kind of what the
00:47:54
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what their partner is trying to accomplish.
00:47:56
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If it's important to them to get 15 or 20 or so people out together for a period of time, then we can certainly accommodate that.
00:48:07
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The more people you get, the harder it is to sort of supervise and teach and learn and quality control and the types of work that we can do tends to kind of come down the ladder to more simple maintenance stuff.
00:48:21
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When we've got a group of four or five and they're fit and they're ready to go do the thing, even if they don't know how to do rock armoring, we'll teach them and we'll all just get together and go lay hands on and go do that part of the project.
00:48:37
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So, yeah, you know, there's a there's a lot of factors there and a lot of things that we manage.
00:48:41
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But we've kind of we've definitely gotten away from a decade ago when we would do 50 and 75 person work parties to go, you know, build some trail someplace because, you know, you need at that point, you're looking for, you know, 10, 12 plus people that really know what they're doing and are good at leading people and teaching people and all those soft skills as well.
00:49:03
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So yeah, we're doing more smaller parties than we used to just sort of once a month do a big giant party kind of thing.
Reflections on Trail Building and Advocacy
00:49:12
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Well, Rich, maybe we can take the show on the road and go move some rocks someday and check it out.
00:49:17
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Oh, absolutely.
00:49:18
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That's exactly, I mean, I'm thinking, I know dozens of mountain bikers at my office and we do volunteer things.
00:49:26
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Yeah, come on.
00:49:27
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We're going to swing hammers for Habitat for Humanity next Friday, so yeah.
00:49:32
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What's swinging a shovel?
00:49:33
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What's swinging a pick, you know?
00:49:35
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Yeah, exactly.
00:49:36
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I was just at Habitat's Breakfast a couple of weeks ago, and that's a great organization.
00:49:42
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Yeah.
00:49:42
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Cool.
00:49:43
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Well, it's been really nice having you, Gary, and it's been really interesting to learn more and more.
00:49:49
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And, yeah, I really commend you and all the work that you've done and really built a great organization there.
00:49:54
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And it's really cool to see all the staff and the excitement and getting Gil on the staff.
00:50:00
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That was pretty cool.
00:50:02
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Gil's amazing.
00:50:03
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There is nobody that is more indefatigable than Gil.
00:50:06
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You know, slowing him down is a bigger challenge.
00:50:10
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But he's been doing this for so long.
00:50:12
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He's been such a key part of the trails community here for 20, 30 years.
00:50:18
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that we're really lucky to have him on board and helping me lead that whole part of what we do.
00:50:24
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Yeah, just for listeners' sake, Gil's family was the owner of Weeward Cyclery for 50 years or so.
00:50:35
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And then Gil was always big in advocacy of getting us.
00:50:38
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When I worked at the bike shop, he'd always get us out there and doing stuff and
00:50:41
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He's really good at that stuff.
00:50:43
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Yeah, he was involved with Bike Jeffco and a lot of the road bike-based efforts as well, as well as the climbing community and just about anything else he can find time to get involved in.
00:50:56
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Well, thank you so much for being on the show.
00:50:58
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I look forward to seeing you with a shovel in my hand and you teaching me how to move some rock.
00:51:03
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Let's do it.
00:51:05
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Anytime.
00:51:06
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We're always out there.
00:51:07
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Thanks, Gary.
00:51:07
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It's been awesome.
00:51:09
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Thank you.
00:51:09
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All right.
00:51:10
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Have a good weekend.
00:51:15
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Bill, that was pretty awesome.
00:51:17
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I got to tell you, I've really never really thought about seriously volunteering to go work on trails, but actually sounds like a pretty fun gig.
00:51:27
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I think it would be.
00:51:28
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It'd be a good workout, right?
00:51:30
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We could probably put it on Strava and make sure it happened.
00:51:35
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We've got plenty of mountain bikers at work.
00:51:37
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We do volunteer things all the time.
00:51:39
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We've got a volunteer thing we're doing today for Habitat for Humanity.
00:51:42
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Instead of swinging a hammer, I'd be glad to, you know, swing a pick.
00:51:47
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Yeah.
00:51:47
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I've been looking at last few days is I've been hiking quite a bit.
00:51:51
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And every time I come along a feature on the trail, I think about conversations with Gary in terms of like, oh yeah, I bet they had to get this or get that.
00:52:01
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Or, you know, it's not automatic deal, right?
00:52:06
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Yeah.
00:52:07
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Yeah.
00:52:07
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No, for sure.
00:52:08
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Well, and it's, it took, I mean, like you said, I mean, it took, you know, this started by a group of mountain bikers that just decided to on their own volition, grassroots, just start maintaining their trails.
00:52:22
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Yeah.
00:52:22
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And it's pretty cool.
00:52:24
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Well, and you can, you can kind of spread this conversation into anything, you
00:52:29
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in our world in some ways, like bike paths that aren't, you know, this stuff just doesn't happen.
00:52:34
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Advocacy really is important.
00:52:37
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You know, and they just signed the bill yesterday.
00:52:39
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I think it was yesterday or the day before for the hands-free, you know, law that just got passed and government police signed it.
00:52:46
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That took a lot of work.
00:52:47
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I mean, it took a lot of lobbying and, and it's not just bicycle people that wanted it, of course, but Bicycle Colorado spent a ton of energy and time on that.
00:52:58
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So this stuff, there's a lot of back channeling that happens to make even the easiest, the most simple trail that you think just, oh, I probably know under that ceremony.
00:53:07
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Well, duh.
00:53:08
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But no, it takes work.
00:53:10
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It takes work because we're a car oriented, preservation oriented world.
00:53:17
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you know, when it comes to the environment.
00:53:19
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So to disrupt that, either one takes work.
00:53:24
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And a lot of work.
00:53:25
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I couldn't believe the number of agencies that they have to work with.
00:53:29
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I mean, what do you say?
00:53:30
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Like 20, 34 or something.
00:53:34
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That's like 34 ways for that to go sideways.
00:53:38
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Right.
00:53:38
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Right.
00:53:39
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You know?
00:53:40
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Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, I once had a conversation.
00:53:43
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I was down in the Black Canyon at the recreation area there, right?
00:53:47
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Because the concierge, whatever the name of that is, that butts up to the Black Canyon National Park, that's a national recreation area.
00:53:58
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And they were doing some trail maintenance in there.
00:54:00
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And I was talking to the ranger and I said, what's your philosophy versus the national park?
00:54:06
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They share a border.
00:54:08
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Same river.
00:54:09
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And the national recreation area's mission is to provide recreation.
00:54:15
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That's why I could camp free.
00:54:17
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That's why I could do things like in the national park, it's preservation.
00:54:22
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I mean, you can still recreate in the park, of course, but they're way more strict on using it.
00:54:28
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That's why now they're going to a reservation system, whereas the national recreation area, you can kind of
00:54:34
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do what you want.
00:54:35
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Got it.
00:54:37
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That makes sense.
00:54:38
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And I think Jeffco is more the preservation, but maybe Gilpin, as you talked about in the interview is more like, Hey, we want you to come play.
00:54:46
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Right.
00:54:48
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So anyway.
00:54:50
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Yeah.
00:54:50
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Fascinating.
00:54:52
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Well, Gary, glad we got a chance to get you on the show and yeah.
00:54:58
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Hope to come out there with a pick and shovel one of these days.
00:55:02
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Yeah, sure.
Olympic Triathlete Highlights
00:55:04
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All right, my friend.
00:55:04
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Well, hey, let's dive into this news.
00:55:07
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Olympic triathlete Taylor Nibbs stunned even herself by winning the women's time trial at the U.S. Road Cycling Championship.
00:55:15
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Now she's got the opportunity to compete in two sports in the Paris Games, triathlon and cycling.
00:55:23
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She's amazing.
00:55:24
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Yeah.
00:55:25
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And she just raced last weekend and came in third place in Yokohama.
00:55:31
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Yeah.
00:55:32
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I mean, when did she do the qualifying for the bike?
00:55:36
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Wednesday.
00:55:37
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Wednesday.
00:55:38
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Where was that?
00:55:41
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Olympic course in the historic Pont Alexandre III Bridge.
00:55:45
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It must have been in Paris.
00:55:47
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Okay.
00:55:48
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So she went from Yokohama to Paris.
00:56:03
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Within three days of each other and then qualified for the time trial.
00:56:09
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Yeah.
00:56:10
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That's exactly what it looks like.
00:56:11
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Wow.
00:56:12
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Nib and Chloe Dygert have now secured positions.
00:56:16
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Oh, wow.
00:56:17
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That's interesting.
00:56:17
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So I haven't heard Chloe's name.
00:56:19
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So obviously she's recovered fully apparently, or at least mostly.
00:56:24
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That's pretty cool.
00:56:25
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But I'm just trying to think.
00:56:27
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I can't help but think of the logistics for Taylor Nib.
00:56:31
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So in Yokohama, she would have ridden a road bike, correct?
00:56:36
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Yes.
00:56:37
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So then she probably, I'm guessing, had her TT bike shipped separately to Paris way before she left for Yokohama.
00:56:47
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And then she caught up.
00:56:49
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Cause I guess it's with a team so they could have easily accommodated all that, but.
00:56:53
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Right.
00:56:54
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Wow.
00:56:55
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But that's pretty funny though.
00:56:56
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She's riding, bringing a road bike to a tri triathlon and a tri bike to a road road race.
00:57:04
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That's awesome.
00:57:05
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And winning.
00:57:07
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She was, but just, you know, I don't know about you, but traveling like that wears me out.
00:57:13
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I mean, I, last thing I'd want to do is go push myself.
00:57:17
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a day, I mean, she only had at least maybe one full day of recovery with not traveling.
00:57:25
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Right.
00:57:26
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And all of the gear and the, wow.
00:57:31
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Now, to be fair, I guess, a little bit, not fair, but to be realistic, it's an Olympic distance, right?
00:57:35
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So you should be able to recover fairly quickly.
00:57:39
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True.
00:57:40
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I mean, you're pushing it, of course.
00:57:42
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So she's going to be tired, but it's not like she did an Ironman.
00:57:45
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So I guess it's more possible.
00:57:48
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Yeah.
00:57:49
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Well, and I'll talk a little bit more about the Yokohama race here in, well, I guess it's actually a pretty decent time to transition to it.
00:57:58
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But I did want to talk a little bit before we got into triathlon.
00:58:01
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I want to talk a little bit more about cycling and the, speaking of time trialing,
00:58:06
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Fall time trial series is a potential out at Chatfield.
Upcoming Time Trial Series
00:58:10
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So if you're here in the Denver area, the front range area, you might have another option for another time trial and it would be down here at Chatfield State Park.
00:58:19
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And I got to tell you, man, the conditions down here, these roads are in awesome shape.
00:58:24
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They've repaved those areas that had the freeze cracks on the south side of the res.
00:58:30
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It's in awesome shape.
00:58:32
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We were just out there last weekend and I would love to do a time trial there.
00:58:36
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Looks like this.
00:58:38
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Yeah, go ahead.
00:58:39
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I don't know.
00:58:41
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I'm not sure which direction it would go.
00:58:44
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I would assume it would finish going up the dam.
00:58:48
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It doesn't.
00:58:48
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It actually does a turn at the top of the dam.
00:58:52
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So you actually start
00:58:53
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over past the closer to the entrance on the Titan side, Titan Road side.
00:58:59
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Yeah.
00:58:59
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Okay.
00:59:00
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And then you go out to the top of the dam right there where that parking lot is.
00:59:06
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Yeah.
00:59:07
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And then you spin around and come back.
00:59:09
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That's how it looks if I open up this article.
00:59:12
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Okay.
00:59:13
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That makes sense.
00:59:15
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It's like five, a little over five miles per, per, it's like five miles from the top of Titan road or where Titan road is to the top of the dam.
00:59:22
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It's about five miles.
00:59:23
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If I remember right.
00:59:25
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No, it's more.
00:59:26
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It's actually five miles from the Kingfisher parking lot at the gravel pond to Titan road.
00:59:33
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And it's five miles from that parking lot at the gravel pond to the other end.
00:59:40
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So it's actually 20 miles end to end.
00:59:42
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Really?
00:59:43
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Yeah.
00:59:43
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I do it all the time.
00:59:45
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Wow.
00:59:46
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Yep.
00:59:47
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20 miles round trip.
00:59:48
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Sorry.
00:59:49
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20 miles round trip.
00:59:50
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10 miles from one end to the other.
00:59:51
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Sorry.
00:59:51
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Yeah.
00:59:52
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I didn't know it was that long.
00:59:53
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I thought it was shorter than that.
00:59:55
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That'd be a great, that'd be a heck of a time trial.
00:59:58
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I think it'd be a great time trial.
01:00:01
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Yeah, actually it starts, yeah, it starts, oh, I get it.
01:00:05
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It starts at the camp registration building.
01:00:09
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There's a parking lot there.
01:00:11
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Yep, yep.
01:00:12
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And then you come out and then you go out to the dam, you come back and then you go past that road and you finish on a straightaway.
01:00:22
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And that's 20 miles.
01:00:24
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Well-
01:00:25
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Roughly.
01:00:26
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That is probably 11.
01:00:27
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No, it's 11.2 because you don't go all the way past the dam.
01:00:31
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You don't go all the way to the end.
01:00:33
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Oh, yeah.
01:00:34
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Okay.
01:00:34
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No, I didn't think so.
01:00:35
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Yeah.
01:00:36
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So it's 11.2 mile course, 366 feet of climbing, which is the dam.
01:00:42
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Right.
01:00:43
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That's great.
01:00:43
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That's a great route.
01:00:45
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Yeah.
01:00:46
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That'd be fun.
01:00:47
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Yeah, for sure.
Triathlon Event Recap
01:00:49
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All right.
01:00:49
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All right.
01:00:50
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I'm going to shift now into triathlon and talk about, let's, I'm going to finish talking about the women's race here.
01:00:57
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Yes.
01:00:58
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We talked about Taylor.
01:00:59
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Oh, no.
01:00:59
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I said Taylor Nib came in third.
01:01:01
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She came in second.
01:01:03
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Yeah.
01:01:04
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Taylor Spivey came in fourth.
01:01:06
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It was just heartbreaking.
01:01:07
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Just off the podium.
01:01:09
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I mean, she was coming on strong.
01:01:12
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I'm still hopeful that Taylor will make the Olympics.
01:01:16
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That was not an automatic qualifier for her, but it did show that
01:01:20
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And for she and Kirsten Kasper both showed immense grit and good potential for the Olympic team coming in fourth and fifth respectively.
01:01:32
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That's going to be an interesting Olympics, no doubt about it.
01:01:36
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Yeah, for sure.
01:01:37
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And then, yeah, Morgan Pearson.
01:01:40
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you know, holding off pretty stiff competition.
01:01:43
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You know, there was that, there was that crash and it was like the six lap or something like that of the bike.
01:01:50
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But, and he didn't get caught up in that, but yeah, it says, oh, I was, hang on a second.
01:02:00
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I've got that.
01:02:00
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I opened up the article on my other screen here.
01:02:04
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I'll edit that.
01:02:05
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Yeah, Morgan Pierce in first place, Matt Hauser second, Luke William third.
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And then if I look down the list here, Vincent Louie ninth, Christian Blumenfeldt 10th.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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That's interesting, isn't it?
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Yeah.
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Now, you know, this is going anyway.
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He's going anyway.
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Right.
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So does he care?
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I don't know.
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Right.
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Maybe this is just a, you know, training event for him.
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You know, I'm sure that he knows what he's doing.
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And where's Gustav these days?
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Yeah.
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Gustav Gustav race, but he wasn't in the top 10.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that's why I haven't really heard much.
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I mean, he's, I would presume going to try to race from Norway, Norway in the Olympics.
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No.
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Yeah.
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Maybe he's not.
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I would think.
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But he's also in the Ironman.
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Isn't he also in the Ironman Pro Series too?
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Probably.
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Maybe he's not trying for the Olympics.
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Yeah, maybe not.
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Anyway, but big shout out to Morgan Pearson.
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He's Boulder based.
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We should try to get him on the show.
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He's been on, right?
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It's been a while, I think.
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Yeah, it's been a while.
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Yeah, we should try to.
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Let me talk about Scott real quick.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So Scott Christopher used to be the development director for Bicycle Colorado for a long time.
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His wife, Sue.
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His wife, Sue Lloyd, with Inspired Training.
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Scott, I was riding yesterday and I just pull up.
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I was passing this guy and I look over and I was like, Scott.
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I'm like, hey, Scott.
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Oh, hey, Bill.
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And we start talking.
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And he was doing a shakeout ride.
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And he said he's leaving tomorrow, which is today, to start a cross-country bike trip.
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to his high school graduation.
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It's his 50th high school graduation.
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He's from the Philadelphia area and he got the idea years and years ago.
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And I wished I'd remember this guy's name, but he was kind of a legend in cycling when Scott grew up basically here.
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I moved out here from the East Coast and he was in CU.
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And this guy, I forget his name, but he had this idea that he would go back to his high school graduation for his 50th.
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And he lived in Massachusetts.
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So that idea just festered in Scott for a long time.
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And when his 50th high school graduation came up, which is this year, he thought, I'm going to ride back to it.
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So he
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Yeah, so Sue can work from anywhere apparently, and they have a trailer or an RV or something, and they're going to pull it across the country for the SAG, and then Scott's going to ride across the country.
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He's leaving today, and he plans to be in Philadelphia around June 16th, I think he said, or 17th.
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So he doesn't have a lot of cushion.
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I mean, he's got to push it a little bit.
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And then it just so happens that Ram ends on June 21st or 22nd, something like that, in Atlantic City.
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So he's got a friend that has a condo at the finish line.
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So he's going to go down and hopefully see that.
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So –
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But another coincidence, tonight he plans to stay at our friend of the show, Kim Welk's house out in Kiowa.
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No way.
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It's his first night out.
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So he's riding to Kiowa today.
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Hi, Kim, if you're listening, which hopefully you are.
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Awesome, Kim.
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That's great.
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He's going to stay with her and then he'll just keep going all across the country.
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That's really cool.
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Yeah.
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That's amazing.
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If I rode to my high school reunion, I'd probably only have to go about 20 miles.
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It's not quite worth it.
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I did ride to mine.
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I rode to my 40th picnic portion of it, which was six miles away.
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I guess I just thought of that.
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I should have told him, well, I did mine too.
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Big deal, man.
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That's awesome.
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That's a cool story.
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Yeah.
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That's awesome.
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Didn't realize Ram was here again already.
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That's yeah.
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So anyway, I know it's been a while.
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People have been having to listen a long time to hear that story, but hopefully those that are still with us, I hope you might be inspired.
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So, well, yeah, for sure.
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And Hey, just one last little quick wrap up.
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We had a great,
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A good turnout for the weather that we had last week out at Chatfield for an open water swim and our brick training that we did.
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We've got 10 people out there in 55 degree water.
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We actually gave the official water temperature to the ranger out there.
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We just kind of, you know, consensus was it was 54 degrees.
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I'm surprised.
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We had a good time.
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I can't believe it was that warm.
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I can't believe it was that warm, frankly.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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It was pretty cold.
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It was brisk.
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But, no, but man, it was successful.
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Everybody had a good time.
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Everybody was really, you know, it was mostly people that were pretty anxious about open water or swimming in cold water.
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We had like some people from Florida that were like, hey, you know, I'm not used to this cold water.
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I saw this opportunity, thought I would come check it out.
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And, you know.
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That's great.
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We'll do it again next, this weekend and next weekend.
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Recommend parking now because it's going to be a nice weekend by 730 and we'll get in the water by eight.
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So.
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Nice.
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So you do it tomorrow or Sunday?
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We're going to do it tomorrow on Saturday, this Saturday, the 18th and the following Saturday, the 25th.
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Okay.
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Cool.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And then next weekend we've got another guest.
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We've got a Lance Panaguti joining us from without limits.
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That's right.
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And I'll be in Durango.
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Oh, cool.
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All right.
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Yeah.
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I'm going to be handing out finisher medals at the iron horse classic in Silverton.
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Oh, nice.
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Yeah.
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Seems like a good spot for you, my friend.
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It's a great spot.
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I love Sodorton.
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And I, you know, dual purpose, I go down there to start doing some work on the ride, so...
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Yeah.
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Cool.
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Yeah.
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And if, Oh, let's do this.
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Let's mention this too.
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If you have not registered for Colorado's ride and you're thinking about it, there's going to be a price increase June 1st.
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Is that right?
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Yep.
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A hundred bucks price increase.
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So get on it.
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Okay.
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Awesome.
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Folks.
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Thanks.
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