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S2 E3 - Laurie McGinley
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This week we have have Laurie McGinley as our guest this week. Laurie is an ex-Scotland Cerebral Palsy International; he was one of the 10 players in the World in 2011 and is a UEFA licensed coach with multiple qualifications relating to football, sport and mindset. He is a head coach and Head of club development. A great listen from a extremely knowledgable coach.
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Introduction to Session Share with Laurie McGinley
00:00:17
Craig Birtwistle
Hello, and welcome to the latest episode of Session Share, the coach's podcast. My name's Craig Burtzel, and I'm delighted to have Laurie McGinley as our guest this week. Laurie is an ex-Scotland cerebral palsy international. He was once voted as 10 best player in the world in 2011. And he is a UEA for licensed coach with multiple qualifications relating to football, sport, and mindset. He's head coach and head of club development. How are you doing today, Laurie?
00:00:47
Laurie McGinley
I'm good thanks, a bit cold, it's minus six in Scotland, so's say but not complaining, that's why we have the heating.
00:00:56
Craig Birtwistle
I hear you. It's not much better in New Jersey, America. Trust me, mate. So not a problem at
Laurie's Early Life and Mindset
00:01:01
Craig Birtwistle
all there. So Laurie, tell us about your impressive playing career. Tell us how it got started and then what takeaways did you take from it?
00:01:10
Laurie McGinley
Well first of all thanks ah for inviting me onto the show, I appreciate it. It's great to just chat football for hours and hours if we could. But yeah, it's a long when I was 10 years old, and I had the violin and kaphyletus, so I had many giants in the brain. I was very ill as a child.
00:01:29
Laurie McGinley
and a I was told that I was not going to walk again, talk, very, very ill, but the, I think the power of mindset, but also the power of, I always love ah high performance, you know, but obviously when you're 10 you don't know these things, but the doctors were, you know, they're asking questions and it was just a simple, you know, procedure that obviously could have went better, but all these things happened, but I was told I had died three times in the operating theatre too, which was ah quite, a but these are things I was told later on. a the i Through that, you know, they going into school, then and struggling with concentration, getting told you're not, you're quite slow. Obviously, ah it gave me a boost to try and prove people wrong. and ah About, two ah when, 2009, 10?
00:02:22
Laurie McGinley
yeah I got him selected to go to play, I got a letter through from me the Cheryl Granger Trust, and throw a who they recommended me to the the kind of SFA disability or para-football and I got a Basically, it was one of them, he thinks it's a joke. You don't really look at these things, but I got offered to go and play with the Scotland team. Trained after about three, four weeks working, talking to the disability officer, and who was Stuart Sharp, and convincing me I went up to Stirling, and I ah loved it. But because I was a, there's different classifications, a Classified 5 to 8, I was a Classified 8, which is minimal.
00:03:03
Laurie McGinley
and a ah dontor Basically I've got a hidden disability you would call it. From there I trained, loved it. Then a week later I was in Largs. I played there and then about two weeks later I was in Finland and probably minus 40 degrees euro but I learned the international football but also learned the to be humble, to learn that standards are there for a reason. The rules, you need to have the the right t-shirt as much as that is. You have your shirt tucked in, you know, these are the biggest things. But from there, 2009, Intercontinentos in Holland, 2010 was a the European Championships in Glasgow, and that was when Tori Glenn, so some of the listeners don't know, but that was say but the big
00:03:55
Laurie McGinley
centering Glasgow where we ah played England in the 5th and 6th playoff and we beat them. a um like great result thought the ah ome the the advice It was our coach said the Royal Formula is up the road which basically means the hospital is up the road but obviously we didn't really understand what that meant but it meant just get it out of the way.
00:04:16
Laurie McGinley
is there eleven you're right and I don't know if I was the 10th best player, but I was in the top 10 at some point, hopefully near the top rather than the bottom. but And then I missed out on the Paralympics due to an injury.
00:04:31
Laurie McGinley
i wish I had my time again, you know, I wish I got myself fitter or got myself mentally stronger because I think when you're young you want to try and everything and you actually have to look at what you're actually good at and what you're not so good at. 2012, 2013, Portugal, I would say World Championships and then 2014, I think I just maybe I fell out of love
Playing for Scotland and Career Reflections
00:04:56
Laurie McGinley
with the game but I just didn't want to play anymore. So, about five years but the biggest thing I learned was if you train hard and you work hard you get somewhere and I think you just have to look at I think the biggest honour has played for your country so from there it's always been a dream to play football but you don't get that every day so I'm living my own dream but also I'm hopefully living as someone else's dream when I was playing.
00:05:21
Craig Birtwistle
amazing stuff. And ah one of the things that I hear from your journey is like, and you mentioned it briefly yourself as well, about like a real strong mindset that helped you obviously overcome some of the things in your early career yeah helped you. How did you get that? Was that from like a ah coach? Was that from parents or was that like different avenues?
00:05:44
Laurie McGinley
and Probably grandfather.
00:05:47
Craig Birtwistle
um
00:05:48
Laurie McGinley
He was the the biggest influence in my life a before he passed away. He's actually quite a funny ah know it' passing away this the the story. The year before he passed away, he took me to play and snooker every week and I was terrible, I was terrible, I was really bad at it but every week he beat me and beat me but every year, every week I was getting better and better and better and then the week before, um so he went to hospital and the I beat him on a black ball and he said that's that's what it is it's never given up on these things so that's the thing and then before he passed away he says always be proud of what you can achieve you know I'm so proud of what you've done and so always er passed away and it was probably one of the hardest days of my life but yeah mindset has always been a big thing maybe a a university you know didn't have that I had a strong mindset but probably the second year when I failed in one of my exams I was probably
00:06:47
Laurie McGinley
thinking, right, academics this is easy, when actually you can, reflection is probably the biggest part of it. But you know, mindset, I think in the last maybe five to ten years, i've I've learned that you can you can actually improve your mindset by just a doing and small tasks, you know, like and the the one task of getting your bed ready, or going to breakfast, or even saying hello to your partner in a
Mindset and Coaching Philosophy
00:07:21
Laurie McGinley
good morning. I think it's just small things like that make such a big difference, but I think the biggest part of my mindset is actually Simon Sinek. He had a book about infinite mindset, and I think
00:07:32
Laurie McGinley
it's really great because you can have that finite versus infinite, so growth versus fixed. If you can have the infinite mindset of, do you know what, I'll continue to do this forever, you know, because there's going to be times where you want to say no or you want to give up and there's nothing wrong with that, it's human nature. ah But I think as the years go on, you learn and how to control your emotional intelligence, to be a bit more emotional intelligent, you know like the chimp paradox. But the if someone cuts you off on the road, everyone gets angry. Well, that person might have had a bad day or they could be ah ah learn a learner driver or some of that, but we're all in the same situation. But having that mindset of improving yourself by 1%, you know, like a to-do list, I always, I've got the to-do list of 10 things and I have that mindset of I need to get seven of these things done, you know, as ah to improve my ah my why, basically, and the kind best way to think about it.
00:08:30
Craig Birtwistle
It's true, um mindset is definitely something that has developed over time. ah ah Since I've been coaching, I've been coaching now, I've had the privilege of coaching like 20 plus years. And over the past five years, I've grown to understand it more and stuff like experts and like knowledgeable people like yourself have been able to bring it more to the forefront of coaches. Speaking of that, with your like impressive player career,
00:08:59
Craig Birtwistle
um What helped you prepare for to be a coach? Was it a natural progression, like you stopped playing and you just wanted a coach? Or was it was it something a bit more in depth?
00:09:10
Laurie McGinley
Well, one of my biggest heroes is Johan Cruyff. I love the... the ah But it was Stalix Ferguson too, and it was always... I loved the way he thinks, you know, like the that legacy of leadership, you know, what adoption. But I think I just... I loved... I go back to maybe a when I was watching a Champions League game with my grand my grandfather. ah You know, that was... it I loved to be a coach. I would love to be there one day.
00:09:37
Laurie McGinley
and maybe when I got an offered to go into like working in the kind of local primary schools as part of my sixth year, you know, like when I was in schools and I enjoyed, you know, working with the, but you know, learn how to deal with them the primary sevens and then learning how to deal with, you know, just basically how to coach children and different ways of dealing with, a like, and was say the the different levels and different abilities of children and young people. But I think I've always been a ah
00:10:09
Laurie McGinley
I think I've been a more OK coach, but I think we could always be better if that's the thing I think we need to be looking at. But coaching now is a i actually my biggest why now is actually I'm looking to go into more technical directing kind of thing and looking at that the the academy coaching, the recruitment talent idea analysis, the technical side, because I think coaching, yes, it's a lot of it's on the grasp, it's actually off the grass. How can you coach yourself to develop yourself? Can you read that extra and chapter? and Can you listen to the extra podcast? you know like
00:10:45
Laurie McGinley
can be when you hear and when you had Tom Byron on, I've read his book, I've listened to a webinar with him, you know, starting at home, but that's coaching. Okay, i want to i need if I'm going to work in a youth academy, I need to learn how to coach the teddy dots, the under sevens, the nines, the elevens, the thirteenths, the fifteenths, but also coach the coaches. And I think as the time you get older, you learn that everyone Everyone gets chucked in the deep end in and coaching. you know like the You've got 24 year olds running around and it's like, but I think maybe what I've learned when the progression is in the last maybe 15, 16 years is we focus on, everyone focuses on all the kids that run away. you know If you're running in a session, like let's say you've got 20, actually i see the four kids that sit in front of you, focus on them because they're the ones who want or maybe
00:11:39
Laurie McGinley
to be there or the other ones, they'll come back in. but it's like Sometimes you just have to focus on who's in front of you, instead of what's actually around you, because you have to watch around you, still keep an eye, but focus on the people who are actually in front of you, so therefore you can actually give them attention because you learn from experience. I love the things does, things that Ray Power does, deliberate practice, all the webinars, but I think you learn that sometimes
00:12:11
Laurie McGinley
we ask a lot of questions and we don't get a lot of answers sometimes. We actually have to explore, we have to question things ourselves and thinking, right, why is this happening or why is that happening? I think as coaches we question things but we sometimes struggle to understand that you're actually more confident than you should be. Just try it. If you make a mistake, you make a mistake, the kids they don't care. if you I always had a great discussion with someone about if you, does it doesn't matter what license you have, or if you've got an energy, a good energy, and it's fun, then the kids will enjoy it more than a serious session like, for example, a kid's session could be a game of tech or football tech or a
00:12:52
Laurie McGinley
like the king of the ring or you know player that that kind of game. Chaos, I love kids love chaos because this is street games and therefore if you can get them inside very quickly you know like a theme storytelling and then I think you've got yeah a coach has to be a teacher also has to be a storyteller and also has to be the person has to work out okay why is that um what's wrong with the the young, like you're working with a five-year-old, or the 17-year-old, the 17-year-old might have a bad day at work, a bad day at school, you know, like, so yeah, I think we really struggle to ask, how are you, or how's things, you know, or trying to work it out, so I think as a cook in the middle, maybe over the last 15 years, yes, I've ah ah ah loved playing, but I've always loved coaching, but now I want to go and explore the different parts of the game, which I think is more of my skill set.
Transition to Coaching and Technical Director Role
00:13:46
Craig Birtwistle
Yeah, it's funny that the the more you get involved in the game and the more you progress up the ladder, like i I myself, just like you, I started as a player, became a coach, became a technical director and so on like that. And I find the more you move up the ladder, it becomes the old allergy of like teaching man to fish. So like now you're working with coaches a lot more, you work them rather than solely on the grass, you're working like a lot of things behind the scenes, trying to get the culture, the environment correct.
00:14:16
Craig Birtwistle
all these different things that help um a player grow and a team grow. With that in mind, um how has your philosophy, your coaching philosophy changed over the years as you've developed from a player and then throughout your coaching career?
00:14:31
Laurie McGinley
hey I've probably had about a 100 page document now into a 20 page document, so I've learned, I think, you look at Angie Posto-Coglo, the way he thinks, you know, like the like he's getting slaughtered for trying this style, you know, the first season, you're a Beowsah, and it's, everyone's, and you look at Guardiola, you know how amazing he is, you know, but it was really crive and then you're looking to you're looking at the,
00:15:00
Laurie McGinley
the 70s with the total football, and then you've got the Hungarians, then the Austrians, and it's all, and everything comes, like, the the long ball, but like Russell Martin, you know, a fantastic coach, a fantastic manager, but he's inside, but he's stuck to the principles, but then you could look at Vincent Kompany, you know, but there's a twist to that of it.
00:15:02
Craig Birtwistle
witness makeouts, yeah.
00:15:24
Laurie McGinley
He speaks German, so it helps, so that, by his style of play, philosophies are great, but I think they yeah you need to see what the club is about first, you know, and then that's the thing because you look at like the Leipzig, sorry, Red Bull model, that's a philosophy in their own way, but the coach has to fit the philosophy. I think that's happened. It's going to be the next trend. they Well, not a trend, it's happening already, but philosophy, I love passing, I love rotations, I love movement, I love the game, but also seeing you're 1-0 up and you need to defend for the next 89 minutes if you scored after the minute and you need part of the burst, there's nothing wrong with defending.
00:16:05
Craig Birtwistle
Right?
00:16:05
Laurie McGinley
I think we, I don't think philosophy is the right word sometimes, I think it's actually your methodology or your style of play or this is how we're going to win, this is how we're going to what with What do we have in possession? What do we not have in possession? How do we get the ball back? And when how and then we get the ball back, what do we use it? Do we go forward? You know, like sample Red Bulls, always vertical, you know, then you've got maybe patient build up, you know, with our teams.
00:16:31
Laurie McGinley
Football was going to be, I think, in the trains, it went from everyone doesn't know what to see the long ball. So that might work. You know, what if you've got like a Holland, you know, like without that kind of thing, like a Plan B, you know, or a Plan C. Because I think Bielsa said if you have Plan A, you should always have a Plan A, but you need to make it a better Plan A, you know, like adaptability.
00:16:54
Laurie McGinley
but over the last maybe 15 years I've put a document together but I like to, I think you need to learn if you want to, it depends on what kind of coach you want to be. Do you want to be another 15s coach? Another 17s coach? In the women's game? My first team? Are you? My thing is I want to work in the women's game as a technical director in the youth side because that's my skill set and it's it but what I'm learning is you need to have a basic knowledge of like if you're working in the the women's game you know how the the like the physiology the learning but also learning about other things you know like how do you deal with coaches who may be in the game for 20 years but philosophies mean nothing if you don't implement it from a very young age i think you need to learn on how to create 1v1s 2v2s 3v3s all these things but i think it was um
00:17:52
Laurie McGinley
they came back to me Chris van der Hagen in the Belgian F8 and they had these pictures that was incredible you know like 1v1s 2v2s and it was a games night or these things I think we everyone focuses on the 12 and above when you're doing the focus on the the three to 12 is a big age group because the three to 12 is the ones for the children boys and girls you know they're similar you know with their kind of they'll start to um develop a kind of similar age and a similar ability but you start to see it on more like like for example a session on
00:18:29
Laurie McGinley
The Tiny Tots or Kirito and Totaps, no, can you do? But can you make it a theme like so a superhero? So Hulk Smashes, again, related back to what they're looking to do, but that gives you your philosophy. like I've got like hundreds and hundreds of pages of philosophies, but that if my my philosophy might not match what the club want, so therefore there's no point in bringing me in, but also you need to learn that methodology. You need to look at the club methodology and is it like a do they believe in youth? Okay, great. So how do you, what's the youth policy? Is it is it like a ton buyer example, start at home, something? Is it a 1v1, can you do extra 1v1? It's a one-to-ones.
00:19:14
Laurie McGinley
I think you just have to learn that methodology and philosophy is just the way you want to play but also how do you get the buy-in from the players and the board and that's the thing excuse me but also also the fans too and I think fans you see it like at rangers at the moment the managers go through about a tough time but I get this football's very like we'll start from the back and everything's built and I'm like brilliant but oh but I'd rather go and watch a game that's exciting. you know and There's nothing wrong with Rangers safety. They're brilliant to watch, but I think methodologies and philosophies can be tweaked, but you have to make it. You need to get some quick wins first before you actually get your point across in some way.
00:19:59
Craig Birtwistle
couldn't agree more. um I've always referred to my own philosophy as being organic, as the fact that it will grow as long as I grow. So um as I keep developing.
00:20:08
Laurie McGinley
like Yeah, sorry to interrupt, but I think you look at yeah the methodology, but you look at values. ah actually What's your methodology? Club. But what actually is your person methodology?
00:20:20
Laurie McGinley
What do you like? What's your values? how do you What do you believe in?
00:20:23
Craig Birtwistle
Right.
00:20:23
Laurie McGinley
And it could be as simple as like timekeeping. That's a philosophy because it's like the Lombardi row being 10 minutes early. I say listen think that's the biggest thing is we look, everyone looks at the pitch But it's actually a philosophy of life, you know, what do you believe in? And therefore I think you get more human in interaction and human values when you actually build it as a kind of part of the football philosophy. It's actually your values and your standards.
00:20:50
Craig Birtwistle
I couldn't agree more. Excellent stuff. And we'll continue this conversation. Laura just after a short break from Z Custer.
00:21:37
Craig Birtwistle
Welcome back and we're going to talk now about a big passion of Laurie's and that's player development.
Challenges and Rewards of Coaching
00:21:42
Craig Birtwistle
Laurie, you've had a very varied coaching career. You've coached both males, females, amateur, professional and disabled players. What rewards you the most of working with such a different array of people?
00:21:56
Laurie McGinley
Well, I think it's just, I think we look at winning as like 1-0, 2-0, 3-0, where actually the player development could be the ah person who scored five goals and then three months later they've got 20 goals, you know, like when you look at these things or the the when you're working with maybe official support, you know, the the your player development could be the the person you know the person development like they could be maybe have a trace of autism or they've got additional support you could literally be like work it with the the
00:22:31
Laurie McGinley
you're the player and I was a parent you know in the stands you know and they might be in the top and then the week for the week after they could be uh so they stand 10 you know like the row 10 they're in row seven they're in row five and they see after six weeks that they're on the pitch that's a huge one that's a player development there's also a person development and I think we need to look at more holistic approaches of you know
00:22:37
Craig Birtwistle
Thank you.
00:22:54
Laurie McGinley
ah academies, you know, also playing a player approaches, but can we make it player-centred, person-centred? Because I think you look at like and the the biggest dropouts usually like through maybe some bad coaching or could be to do with pressure or it could we do with friends or a lot, but cloud development is all about can we improve them by that 1%, 2% and also they might not make it as i said you look at the i
00:23:25
Laurie McGinley
the the new and documentary on Sky Sports. It was really interesting, but chasing the dream, but it's like 0.01% make it as as a professional. Yeah, but you look at 99.9% who don't make it, but they might not make it as professional, they might make it as amateur, or they might make it as semi pro, or they may be a coach, or they may be working in the fire department, or, you know, a teacher. But light skills, I think we we need to look at how do we develop the first you know and make it very much person centered because also another thing would be the
00:24:02
Laurie McGinley
the player might, that hour and a half might be the only time that they actually get out of the house or they could be second fiddle, you know, like maybe their brother or sister or, you know, a family member has like swimming so they have to get up early, you know, so they're only getting that time. So also the biggest thing we play development is socialising and making sure that everyone You learn the how to obviously work with it the players you're working with, but clear development is all about just making sure that they're a little bit happier, or you can work on the problems that they have, or improving. It could be as simple as the 10 minutes after training, working on a bit of finishing, that could be the, that's the player development side, also the person centred. And giving them, you know, like, if you give them and some players will love analysis, some won't, some will love nutrition, some won't you need to learn it's all about working what do they want you know have it like Chris Ramsey says it's like you need to have that strength-based approach what can what are we doing well instead of like going into a club what are we not doing well or what's wrong says what we we've got a striker like let's say the build-up brilliant and um the striker can't finish
00:25:18
Laurie McGinley
okay well why why is the striker not finishing? Is their movement half a yard too slow, half a yard too fast? Is the ball in swinging, out swinging?
00:25:29
Laurie McGinley
You know as it's just small things like this but as you get older you learn these things you know from player but as a coach you know you see I think everyone looks at data and data is great
00:25:39
Craig Birtwistle
Thank you.
00:25:41
Laurie McGinley
and it helps, it gives you evidence because your eye is always the number one thing of like, oh, actually, that's the reason. And something as simple as saying, well done, you've done brilliant today. Leave it like that. But everyone goes, you've done great, but you could do this. And I'm like, no, just, ah or we've done, you've done brilliant.
00:26:00
Laurie McGinley
yet but we'll get to the, we'll get there in the power of yet. I think that's the thing I mindset to talk about, player development and people development. I think we we struggle really to praise, you know, instead of saying done well it's, oh well you could do better and I think that's the biggest thing is like, you look at the player journey on the way back, you know, what maybe a parent says, what was your score? How did you, how did you play? ah do I don't want to talk about it, oh that's not good enough and it's like that.
00:26:27
Laurie McGinley
Biggest thing I've learned, I've got a two-year-old, but you you see these things, you know, there's a lot of podcasts and a lot of people out there, but I think we look at it as, let the child talk
00:26:28
Craig Birtwistle
Thank you.
Emotional Intelligence and Coaching Advice
00:26:38
Laurie McGinley
first.
00:26:38
Laurie McGinley
If they want to talk about, they don't want to talk about the game, you're doing all and you don't need to talk, so they say, I want to go for food, cool. That's it, and that that might be the they might come out, if they might open up to you a bit more about why they're not playing or all this, but again, we need to look at how we educate parents, how do we educate children, educate people around us, but I think we just need to learn how to educate ourselves more on being a bit more emotionally intelligent when it comes to player development, you know, like technical, tactical is great, but I think the biggest thing we're working with children is is the technical and tactical side, but the social side of how do you develop that? How do we get them running into the gate you know and into the pitch? How do we get that? Is ah is there ah is it because the coach
00:27:22
Laurie McGinley
is there 12 minutes early or it's prepared. Again preparation is the biggest thing, you need to be prepared for a session that may have 20 kids or 15 or 7 and you just have to make sure that you learn the player development part of that. Let's see if you have 7 kids, you can do it more time for everyone else, you know what I mean, like the individuals, so therefore you can still do an hour and a half session but the session across the finish you might just be into mini goals now you will just adapting it and making it as easy as you can for them so therefore they have that smell at the end of the session unless they lose which is always a pain sometimes in the end of the game but you learn that these things will happen
00:28:09
Craig Birtwistle
you. manage a player as well all or better the way of putting is probably to manage a person so it's understanding what they need at the right time as you say look we have We've always been taught that feedback sandwich, but sometimes maybe we only need the positive. We only need the ham. We don't need the bread, if you know what I mean. 100% agree with that. So like sometimes they do. And that's some really good advice there. Speaking of advice, what's the best advice that you've been given in your either playing career or your coaching career?
00:28:40
Laurie McGinley
ah Yeah, you've got two years and two years in one mouth. Listen, be more... i like I like to talk as you know, but I like to... um ah I love to... You could only get... I think it was just like the... another quote was, in if you want something, you'll find a way. If you don't, you'll find an excuse. But it was Jim Rohn, and he said it. And the advice I've always been is,
00:29:07
Laurie McGinley
don't see you getting up, see if you're working until 12 o'clock, one o'clock, and then getting up at six every day, you know, you're gonna kill yourself, you're gonna hurt yourself, you're gonna, there's no point in doing these things. So I think the early bird works if you go to bed at 10 o'clock at night, you know, and up at six. But I think always the advice is always just be yourself. what can you What can you do to improve yourself? Also just what what are you good at? You know, book and then I think the nip you need to network, that's another thing. You need to just look at But you're looking now as everyone's focused on, special I think, specialised coaching is going to be the next kind of trend of different, you know, like you've got the certification coach like Sammy Landar, you've got there the throwing coach, Thomas Grunert-Brug, I think I've put his name bay other a but but, apologies, but the idea is, I think,
00:30:01
Laurie McGinley
everyone's looking at like sporting directors. It's brilliant but there's so many and job titles out there and so many different roles but my advice is always what are you good at and go see first team you might get and you never you might never get a first team you might only be under 15s coach most only be the best under 15s coach in the country and that's the thing is we always want to When we're comfortable, that's when we actually are probably our worst because we're actually, you need to be learning how to deal with stress, but the stress a of three out of ten and then you get a person who's maybe had ah a family member who's ill or something like that, that's a different kind of stress, but we need to learn that you have to focus on, I think it's the one in the airplane, put your mask on first and help everyone else,
00:30:43
Craig Birtwistle
Right.
00:30:52
Laurie McGinley
we just really struggle to, everyone wants to help everyone else around them when they actually struggle to, the person who they need to speak to is right in front of you, a mirror, but no, I think it's two years in one mouth, just listen to other people, but also take advice, but I think you need to narrow down you your network of people who are actually in the same industry or a different industry, so I love learning a about youth development and child development, so um I'm worth working and talking to people there, but mostly looking at technical directors, what's your role? All right, cool, so let's say I talk to you Craig about your role, then I talk to another technical director, it's a totally different a
00:31:33
Laurie McGinley
a It's a similar role by a different job description, but I want to learn, okay, but why is that happening or how is this happening? And see, I think, people are so scared of actually sometimes reaching out to, I hate the word, more elite people, but if you don't, I'll send a message to maybe three, four people a week over in LinkedIn.
00:31:55
Laurie McGinley
a But I would say 90% of the time I don't get an answer back. And I'm not, I'm okay with that. I think people are like, why is he not answering me back? Or why is they taking so long to get back to me? People are busy in January, obviously, but people are just busy. If someone doesn't get back to you in two weeks, don't take a heart, don't harass them. You know, I think one message is good, two, yeah, okay, three, I would just, I would just delete your profile. So at that point, so.
00:32:22
Craig Birtwistle
That right there, Laurie, is some ah really good advice. We're just going to take a short break and we will wrap up the episode.
00:32:45
Craig Birtwistle
So Laurie, we at Session Share like to um give a little bit of flavour at the end of the episode to kind of give a good understanding of like where you came from and how you grew up and so on.
Laurie's Favorite Sports Moments
00:32:58
Craig Birtwistle
So my question for you is, what's your favourite moment in sports? It can be anything as a player, a fan, a coach.
00:33:07
Laurie McGinley
and I'll probably get two if that's okay just the really quick ones but
00:33:10
Craig Birtwistle
It's probably, yeah.
00:33:12
Laurie McGinley
Yeah, it was probably the, when we beat England, that was probably for myself, you know, with the family and it was a really, and it was a one nil game, but it was ah it was just like, that was the first time Scotland had been in England in a long time, you know, so it was a, and we were like, we were in Cyprus for two weeks where we were prepared, we were ready to go. I think we're just, I think if we had an odd year, I think we would have probably done, probably could have been a Dutch, probably got better, but that's the,
00:33:40
Laurie McGinley
probably the is ah that's just from a personal one but i've probably seen my two-year-old son kick a ball you know like that's the that's the memories of like and you see everyone has a phone out i just love the moment i think oh this is great you know like is he kicking a ball he's kicking outside you love and i will never put i'll never micromanage my the my son to go into a football he just loves footballs and launches them and kicks them and everything but I think the biggest thing is it probably personal, but also how do you as a parent, how do you, how can you just cherish moments more, you know, live the moment because we're very much everyone's so busy with social media, with jobs and all that.
00:34:25
Laurie McGinley
like see if you're you got half an hour with your child or someone actually going maybe just have a conversation with them or just you know half an hour playing and and they'll they ah they'll love that more than you spending an hour on your phone you know I mean like but yeah I think we just need to the best thing is always just to be in the moment and actually just live your life a bit more.
00:34:49
Craig Birtwistle
agree. um Thank you very much for this, Laura. It's been a great episode. I've really enjoyed our chat and I'm sure our listeners will agree. That's about it. We have for Session Share, the Coaches Podcast. Thank you once again, Laurie McGinley, for joining us. Be sure to get in touch across all of our socials to offer your opinions on everything that we've discussed today.
00:35:11
Craig Birtwistle
You can find the social media platforms we use in our podcast description as well as if Laurie you're okay with it We'll put down your ah Twitter information so people can follow you as well Are you welcome this has been session share the coaches podcast, thank you for listening and thank you for coaching the beautiful game
00:35:22
Laurie McGinley
No, that'd be great. Thank you again, Greg.