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Speaker: uh there's been times in my teaching um and in the dance company where you know something like in the semester and whether it's like a specific thing or just an overall you know arch of the semester where it's like oh lord like everything is just like struggling whether that's with like relationships with you know student to student or even my relationship with them and like
Speaker: or even just like how the studio is running, like how it's going that semester.
Speaker: And I can always pinpoint it to like, like, but I did not, like I was not involving you in everything.
Speaker: Like I was trying to do this in my own strength.
Speaker: Um, and I thought like, Oh, I've been doing this for, you know,
Speaker: 15 years.
Speaker: I can totally do it.
Speaker: I think I know what's best for the company or what direction we should be going with it.
Speaker: But then it's in those times usually after something happens and it's like, oh my gosh, Lord.
Speaker: Why did I not turn to you first?
Speaker: Like that is, it should be my first inclination of just like, nope, just involving the Lord in everything.
Speaker: And what a beautiful thing that is when I do do that.
Speaker: Hello everybody, welcome back to Artists of the Way.
Speaker: My name is John, I'm your host, and if you're on YouTube and are noticing we haven't been on YouTube before, then you'll notice that we have video now, which we're experimenting with.
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Speaker: We're joined today by Casey Adams.
Speaker: Casey, we've worked together a couple of times before, I think.
Speaker: She owns For His Glory Ballet, which has been around since 2008?
Speaker: Since 2008.
Speaker: Cool.
Speaker: Yeah, we started in our basement.
Speaker: Nice.
Speaker: Classic.
Speaker: Classic.
Speaker: And then you work as a vet at the Allendale Animal Hospital?
Speaker: A veterinary assistant.
Speaker: Veterinary assistant.
Speaker: So yes, not a vet.
Speaker: That's an important distinction there.
Speaker: Very important distinction.
Speaker: I do not make the diagnostics.
Speaker: I just help with all the other things.
Speaker: There you go.
Speaker: You've obviously choreographed several shows with HPA or co-choreographed.
Speaker: And then we worked together with Pilgrim, which is with Arise Collective Theater.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: Touring with them and...
Speaker: Yeah, because you were part of the original cast of Pilgrim.
Speaker: Not like the OG OG back way earlier.
Speaker: In like 2016, but the original touring cast, which was, yeah, a blast to be a part of.
Speaker: And yeah, Colorado trip.
Speaker: It was great.
Speaker: Yeah, that was cool.
Speaker: Awesome.
Speaker: It's super great to have you on.
Speaker: How are you doing today?
Speaker: Thanks.
Speaker: I'm doing super, super well.
Speaker: I'm excited to be on and yeah, just talk about ballet and dance.
Speaker: Yeah, no, I'm excited.
Speaker: Yeah, I'm excited too.
Speaker: It's an area where I don't know if I don't dance well or if I just do speaking parts really well, but I always get the part that talks a lot and dances very little, so I haven't delved into that a lot.
Speaker: I feel like you did some dancing in some of the HPA shows that you were in, though.
Speaker: That's true.
Speaker: I think in Seussical.
Speaker: Maybe a little bit Nanny, but I did do Fiddler as well I danced in.
Speaker: That was pretty fun.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But yes, so I have a couple questions here that I ask everybody.
Speaker: The first one is, what are you working on right now?
Speaker: Ooh.
Speaker: With my ballet company, so with For His Glory Ballet, we are gearing up for our summer intensive, which is super exciting.
Speaker: So we do the story of Moses and the Exodus.
Speaker: We call it the Prince of Egypt.
Speaker: We use a lot of music from the DreamWorks
Speaker: movie, The Prince of Egypt.
Speaker: So all of those familiar songs.
Speaker: So in one week, all the students come and they basically in four days, they learn an entire one hour ballet, which is very impressive.
Speaker: Honestly, I walk away as like, I don't think I could do that in one week.
Speaker: Like we asked the students to do a lot.
Speaker: So I'm
Speaker: Uh, we've done this for the past, yeah, couple summers.
Speaker: Um, my sister and I get together and we, um, yeah, team up and do that.
Speaker: Um, so getting ready for that, um, we'll probably have a meeting here in the next couple of weeks and get, just sit down, uh, talk through what, uh,
Speaker: we need to change what worked last year, what didn't work last year.
Speaker: Um, any new, you know, new scenes that we need to add or maybe take out a scene if it didn't work.
Speaker: Um, so gearing up for that, that's going to be in August.
Speaker: So excited for that.
Speaker: That's always a really fun week.
Speaker: It's crazy busy.
Speaker: Like we just, I mean, it's a whole week of teaching and they're, they're coming in and dancing every single day.
Speaker: and then we perform on Saturday.
Speaker: So that's exciting.
Speaker: We always love that week.
Speaker: It's a special time.
Speaker: And then, yeah, just getting ready for – we will be touring again for Pilgrim coming in October.
Speaker: I think we're going to Branson, Missouri.
Speaker: So that will be really fun.
Speaker: We only went –
Speaker: think for two weekends last year and we're doing three weekends uh this time around um and yeah so getting ready for that as well i'm sure we'll have a couple pickup rehearsals but we're all pretty much the same roles that we were last time around so we shouldn't need yeah you're kind of familiar at that point yeah we shouldn't need too much um uh you know rehearsals to get our bodies back into it but there is
Speaker: Definitely the first time back running it, it's your body's like, Oh my goodness, it's been a minute since I've done all this dancing.
Speaker: Um, but yeah, we'll do that.
Speaker: And it was, yeah, I feel like in Branson last year, the crew and the cast, um, really got close.
Speaker: Uh, like, I feel like the Lord did a really good thing, uh, in, in just our, in the body of the cast and crew.
Speaker: Um, sometimes where we go, it's,
Speaker: We're really pouring out into the community that we're in.
Speaker: And we're really getting to know the people around and either the church that's involved in bringing us there.
Speaker: And we're a lot more of the outpouring mindset of really getting to know the people and loving on them.
Speaker: But I feel like Branson last year, the Lord just had us, like we spent a lot of time together.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: just in our, like we were all in these big, like these two big houses and we're all lumped together.
Speaker: And so we spent a lot of time as a cast and crew.
Speaker: Um, and yeah, I feel like the Lord just brought us together in unity.
Speaker: Um, and it was, it was just really special to, to have that time of just like, okay, we're just going to get to know our, as our family as a cast.
Speaker: And, um, so that was really special.
Speaker: So looking forward to that again, I don't know if, if it's going to be different, if we're going to be in
Speaker: you know, two houses again, or if it's going to be different set up, but just, yeah, it's always like, there's always just an, an expectancy of what the Lord's going to do in, in the hearts and minds of the people who are coming to see the show.
Speaker: But then he always, um,
Speaker: does something in my heart and you know, whether that's with the people that I talked to after the show, um, or yeah, just the, uh, just being around all those people that are a part of the cast and the crew.
Speaker: Um, yeah, the Lord always is always is teaching me something so excited and expectant for that.
Speaker: Um, so those are the two main things that worry are, uh, that I'm currently, I guess not,
Speaker: currently working on uh but yes prepping and expecting for that um yeah no the summer it's been just vet stuff so when i'm not using my artistic side um with all the dogs and the cats all day and try not to get bit and scratched um there you go yes come away with many many battle scars but um so yeah that's that's what i've been up to currently and what's yeah looking forward to the future then
Speaker: That's cool.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: There's kind of a segue in there into our next question because you talk about how God always does something in Pilgrim when you're working on that.
Speaker: And I've definitely found in my own life, he's always using the whatever art I'm involved in in some shaping way.
Speaker: Is there a way that you've, that now or recently God's been using art in your life to encourage or shape or just whatever?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I feel like
Speaker: there's always something new that he is teaching me.
Speaker: And when I, I have found so, uh, so much and definitely, uh, in the past couple months, um, of when I have, uh, just devoted so much time to, to prayer and to, to just getting into God's word that he, I am so easily
Speaker: I am so more attuned to his spirit.
Speaker: So if I am, if I am devoting my, you know, I set apart time either in the morning, usually it's at night because in the morning I just need to get out of bed and go to work.
Speaker: So normally it's in the evening of, of yeah, just having that set apart time of like, Lord, I'm going to, uh, yeah, have this time to either be in your word, um, whether that's just reading it, um, or whether that's like diving into a certain passage and, and flushing it out.
Speaker: Um, yeah.
Speaker: And just spending time in, in his, in his presence.
Speaker: Um, those are the times where I feel like, Oh Lord, I can write.
Speaker: I'm, I'm sensing your, your spirit so much more, uh, than maybe I do, you know, in the, in the busyness of, of the day.
Speaker: Um, and yeah, so I feel like he's been teaching me so much, um,
Speaker: through those times, just making me fall in love with him more and more, um, which then I feel like that's just, then when I turn my attention to, you know, teaching and, and dancing for, you know, whatever I'm doing that, that love and that time that I have, um, or the love and attention that I spend, you know, with the Lord in those set of part times, then that just is an outpouring of,
Speaker: And that just comes out when I'm dancing or when I'm teaching, which is the goal.
Speaker: There's been times in my teaching and in the dance company where something in the semester, and whether it's a specific thing or just an overall...
Speaker: You know, arch of the semester where it's like, oh, Lord, like everything is just like struggling, whether that's with like relationships with, you know, student to student or even my relationship with them and like, or even just like how the studio is running, like how it's going that semester.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I can always pinpoint it to like, like, Lord, I did not, like, I was not involving you in everything.
Speaker: Like I was trying to do this in my own strength.
Speaker: Um, and I thought like, Oh, I've been doing this for, you know, 15 years.
Speaker: I, I, you know, I can totally do it.
Speaker: I think I know what's best for,
Speaker: you know, for the company or what direction we should be going with it.
Speaker: But then it's in those times, usually after, you know, something happens and it's like, oh my gosh, Lord, why did I not turn to you first?
Speaker: Like that is, it should be my, my first inclination of just like, no, no,
Speaker: I just involving the Lord in everything and and what a beautiful thing that is when I do do that and when I when that is my focus like in every decision whether that's you know the smallest thing of like what are the the little girls gonna wear for their costume like
Speaker: That seems like such a small thing, but just having the Lord be involved with it and asking him and having him be the leader of the company.
Speaker: And that would be my goal.
Speaker: And that is what I'm always striving for.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So kind of going back to the, it all stems from
Speaker: like how, how much time I spend in, in his word and in his presence and, and then letting that, that carry through the rest of my day.
Speaker: So whether that's, um, yeah, not just having to set apart time, you know, yes, that's super great.
Speaker: And I, you know, spend time in the word and spend time in his presence, but then letting that then propel the, the, you know, the arc of the rest of my day.
Speaker: Um, and so letting, yeah, letting that time determine, you know, everything else.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That's awesome.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I definitely feel that.
Speaker: I get that off-track-ness a lot where I'm like, all right, I'm going to figure out what I'm doing next with school or with an artistic project or with a show, and I'm figuring things out, and I'm just going, and I'm like, man, I'm just so good at art in school.
Speaker: And then eventually I'm like, wow, I'm really strong.
Speaker: Even though I'm so amazing.
Speaker: And I'm like, oh, that's because I'm trying to just carry it all myself.
Speaker: So, yeah, I feel like that's, I think especially in America, a struggle because we're just like, pick yourself up by your bootstraps and keep going.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Oh, yeah, that is so the struggle.
Speaker: And yeah, and I feel like that's what our society and our culture is pushing towards.
Speaker: Be like, you are the best hero of your own story.
Speaker: Like, you can do it all.
Speaker: You can...
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Pick up, pick yourselves up by your bootstraps and be like, I'm going to do this all.
Speaker: And how that so goes against the word of God and how he's so clearly states that we cannot do this in our own strength.
Speaker: And if we try and do this in our own fleshly desires, in our own fleshly mind, like we will fail because we are sinful.
Speaker: And how, yeah,
Speaker: how simple it is, but how difficult it is to carry that out and be like, okay, I, I need to daily surrender everything to the Lord.
Speaker: And it doesn't matter how small it is or how insignificant it may seem to,
Speaker: But just to like, how amazing would it be that if I woke up every single day and I just said, Lord, you know, everything I have is yours.
Speaker: Like just use my, my mind, use my words, use my, my, my body as a dancer to bring you glory.
Speaker: Like, oh.
Speaker: how amazing would that be?
Speaker: And why don't I do that?
Speaker: Um, and so, yeah, it is, it's just a daily surrender.
Speaker: And hopefully by God's grace, I am, I am working my way towards that, that, you know, holiness that, uh, he calls us to and, and yes, I'm going to fail and, uh, and not, not do it perfectly every single day, which, you know, but, um,
Speaker: that's going to happen, but praise the Lord that he is, he's willing to come alongside me every single day and, and just, and keep pointing me towards that holiness.
Speaker: And yeah.
Speaker: And maybe by the end of my life, you know, I'll be, I'll be, I'll be almost there.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Awesome.
Speaker: That's cool.
Speaker: Um, I would love to turn now to dance.
Speaker: Um, what was it that like, when did you decide you wanted to start doing dance and what drew you to that?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So my mom took my sister and I to a dance class when we were three and we both hated it.
Speaker: We were like, this is the worst.
Speaker: I don't want to do this.
Speaker: So we took a break after that and we were only three.
Speaker: So we, you know, barely knew what was happening.
Speaker: Um, then we, uh, when I was 10, uh, we watched a video, actually, it was a movie of this girl who loved baseball, but then she also wanted to be a ballerina.
Speaker: It's like high school musical.
Speaker: I know.
Speaker: So we were just like in so inspired by that movie.
Speaker: We're like, Oh my gosh, that I want to do that too.
Speaker: Definitely not the baseball part.
Speaker: I want to do half of that.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I want to do half of that story.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Baseball is not good at that.
Speaker: But I was like, oh my gosh, I want to be a ballerina.
Speaker: So we went home, told my mom and said, I want to do ballet.
Speaker: And so she signed us up for a class in a local studio.
Speaker: And we started taking dance classes and fell in love with it.
Speaker: So I technically was late.
Speaker: late in starting because I was 10 and I hadn't been taking since I was three.
Speaker: But I do feel when you are older, you have so much more drive and determination.
Speaker: And if you're passionate about it, you can make up for the lost time.
Speaker: You don't have to like, sure.
Speaker: I didn't have maybe all the flexibility that the three-year-olds, you know, had since they've been doing it since they were three and they have perfect turnout.
Speaker: You know, I,
Speaker: may have to work harder for that.
Speaker: But again, I had the drive and the want to do it.
Speaker: And so I feel like that made up for the lost time.
Speaker: So we started dancing.
Speaker: We kind of bounced around.
Speaker: We did a lot of different...
Speaker: studios because the one that we started in shut down about two years after we joined which is really a bummer was that like you guys's fault yeah oh my gosh we got to get out these kids are crazy cannot do this anymore
Speaker: So yeah, we took, we pretty much just solely did ballet.
Speaker: You know, you can take jazz class, you can take hip hop, tap, you know, whatever.
Speaker: We just were wholeheartedly devoted to ballet.
Speaker: We're like, this is all we want to do.
Speaker: So yeah, jumped around to a couple different places, did some private lessons.
Speaker: And yeah, loved it.
Speaker: I feel at that point, I definitely did not have a grasp on ballet.
Speaker: Like, oh, this can be used as a form of worship.
Speaker: Definitely did not make that connection.
Speaker: I just loved it.
Speaker: I was like, this is great.
Speaker: I love to dance.
Speaker: I love to, you know, just to, yeah, move my body in this way and love the challenge of ballet.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: I always say that ballet is the foundation of all other dance forms.
Speaker: So many dance forms have their roots in ballet.
Speaker: Maybe not hip-hop.
Speaker: Hip-hop might be the only one that doesn't.
Speaker: That's like its own thing.
Speaker: I think hip-hop was somebody saw a fish flopping on the ground and was like...
Speaker: I bet that can be elegant.
Speaker: I can make that cool.
Speaker: That's fantastic.
Speaker: I want to do that.
Speaker: I want to move my body like a robot.
Speaker: And I definitely cannot do that.
Speaker: Hip hop is one thing I cannot do.
Speaker: But like jazz, if you have some knowledge in ballet, you are going to be so more set up for success with any other dance form.
Speaker: You know, lyrical, contemporary, Irish dancing,
Speaker: They all have roots, you know, at least some sort of, you know, nod towards ballet, whether that's the, you know, the positions of your feet or the positions of your arms.
Speaker: A lot of things have to do, you know, coming from ballet.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So I was just.
Speaker: loving ballet.
Speaker: Um, I did, uh, so my sister and I then started our dance company in our basement.
Speaker: Um, when I was literally like 11 and she was 12, I don't know what we taught or how we thought we could do any of this, but we're like, you know what?
Speaker: We have a year under our belts.
Speaker: We can, we can teach some kids.
Speaker: So we're like, let's teach some neighbor kids.
Speaker: We went around, passed out some flyers to our neighbor kids,
Speaker: And I think we charged $2, which was cheaper than babysitting.
Speaker: So that's probably what the parents thought.
Speaker: They're like, this is cheaper than babysitting.
Speaker: Let's send our kids there.
Speaker: So we taught, you know, seven little kids from our neighborhood.
Speaker: We went to a nursing home at the end to put on our, you know, performance.
Speaker: I think we did like the Passover story.
Speaker: So we literally did like Passover, crucifixion, resurrection with like seven-year-olds.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: gonna really jump into some deep heavy stuff we were like yes we can take on these stories um uh so yeah we started there and then it and you know long story short it just kind of grew from there our our studio grew from that
Speaker: Um, yeah, early on we decided we're like, let's name it for his glory ballet.
Speaker: Um, because that is our goal and that's what we want to be the first thing.
Speaker: Like if people, you know, take away anything from the company, that is what we want them to take away.
Speaker: You know, if you just read the title, that should say everything you need to know about what we stand for here.
Speaker: And so even I just love how God orchestrated that.
Speaker: You know, I probably didn't even I know I fully didn't comprehend what it meant to use dance as worship when we named it.
Speaker: But praise the Lord.
Speaker: He knew that that that was going to be the name.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I feel like I was first opened up to the fact that dance could be used as worship.
Speaker: And I feel like my heart finally understood that when I went to Ballet Magnificat's summer intensive.
Speaker: So the Ballet Magnificat is a professional touring ballet company based out of Jackson, Mississippi.
Speaker: Correct.
Speaker: Um, uh, founded by Kathy Troubadour.
Speaker: Um, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker: I know.
Speaker: I'm pretty sure I'm saying that right.
Speaker: I think that, um, yeah, that's the, yeah.
Speaker: And then right now I think it's run or one of the like artistic directors, um, is Yuri, uh, Vaborsky, another really cool ass name.
Speaker: Um, and so I got to go to their summer intensives, um, down in Jackson, Mississippi for two weeks.
Speaker: So you, you know, wake up every day, um,
Speaker: You have ballet class for like two hours and you have point class for another like hour and a half.
Speaker: So your body is just like dead.
Speaker: But they do these amazing nights.
Speaker: It's called creative worship where they usually start with some sort of, you know, presentation, whether that's like a skit or just like a reading of God's word.
Speaker: Um, and then they open it up where you can, like, they'll turn on worship music and you can just dance.
Speaker: Like you can just get like, they kind of dim the light.
Speaker: So it's, you know, you create the mood, um, and then you don't have to, but, uh, you know, if you want to just have your, your Bible and just read during that time, but they open it up where you can, yeah, stand up and just, and just dance and, and praise the Lord.
Speaker: And that was so new to me.
Speaker: Like I had danced in church, you know, but a very, you know, choreographed set of like, okay, we're going to stand up, we're going to, you know, dance and then we're going to be done.
Speaker: This was my first experience of just like, oh, I'm, I'm dancing because I'm,
Speaker: I love the Lord.
Speaker: And so an outpouring of that is me using my body to, to praise the Lord.
Speaker: Um, and that was just so eyeopening and so transformative.
Speaker: I grew so much in those two weeks.
Speaker: Um, and yeah, I feel like the Lord really used those two weeks, uh,
Speaker: to to show me that like hey this is this is what i'm calling you to and this is what i want you know you to be passionate about um and so i just love that i it was scary at first like i had never you know just like stood up and be like okay i'm gonna you know dance and so you have to get out of the mental space of like i am you know dancing in front of all these other people that are you know just like either dancing with me or you know but we're all doing something different
Speaker: So I had to push past that.
Speaker: But once you're able to do that, then it is truly beautiful.
Speaker: And yeah, it's like singing to me.
Speaker: So how we all sing in church.
Speaker: If I could be dancing while everyone is singing, and if I'm singing and dancing, I would love that.
Speaker: And sometimes, I don't feel like it, but sometimes it's like, oh man, if I could just...
Speaker: you know, bust out some dance moves right now.
Speaker: That'd be amazing.
Speaker: And it is such a, a beautiful time.
Speaker: I, yeah.
Speaker: Uh, just the, yeah, the presence of the Lord is so, is so clear in those times and it's just, it's really beautiful.
Speaker: So I feel like that was such an eye opening time.
Speaker: Um, and then coming back from that, uh, experience and then being able to pour that into my students, um, was so, so beautiful.
Speaker: And, um,
Speaker: I feel like that time has now really almost shifted the focus of the studio.
Speaker: You know, it was always, you know, we were always for His Glory Ballet and that was the goal, but I feel like I had such a renewed fire in me to really proclaim that and to say,
Speaker: Hey, we're, we are not doing this for our own glory.
Speaker: Like when we get up on that stage, we are not going to, uh, you know, we're not going to, you know, clap for ourselves as we curtsy.
Speaker: Um, and even, and even taking that out sometimes of like, Hey, we're not even going to curtsy.
Speaker: Like we are just going to solely like finish and that's it.
Speaker: Um, and not saying that curtsying at the end of your show is, is terrible and no one should do that.
Speaker: Curtsying is a sin.
Speaker: Don't do it.
Speaker: Not saying that.
Speaker: But yeah, just, it really shifted the focus.
Speaker: And the Lord has been growing me in that over the years.
Speaker: Like it wasn't this one time thing about like, wow, now I've got it all figured out.
Speaker: This is how we do it.
Speaker: Like it has been a long road and the Lord has been bringing me through that by his grace.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: And yeah, sometimes I feel slowly and sometimes it's like, oh, I have a light bulb on me.
Speaker: Like, this is it.
Speaker: You know, I like the Lord just shows me things so clearly.
Speaker: But then sometimes he doesn't.
Speaker: And that's okay.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And it builds my faith.
Speaker: And yeah, sometimes it feels like, you know, if I'm if he is very clearly opening a door and then it shuts, then it's like, okay.
Speaker: Then I'll just follow you.
Speaker: So yeah, that was super transformative.
Speaker: I feel like that has very much shaped for his glory and our mission.
Speaker: And yeah, and then hoping that the students just walk away with that, even if it's just a knowledge of knowing, hey,
Speaker: ballet can be used for his glory.
Speaker: And again, and that goes against all the dance culture, which is so self-centered.
Speaker: And so like, how can I be the best?
Speaker: How can I look better than everybody else?
Speaker: Which is just how it is.
Speaker: Like it is very competitive.
Speaker: It's a very competitive art form of if you want to be the best, if you want to get into these amazing ballet companies, New York City Ballet, the Royal Ballet in London,
Speaker: Um, you have to be scrutinizing yourself in the mirror 24 seven.
Speaker: You have to look at yourself and be like, I need to be better.
Speaker: And that's what it's about.
Speaker: 24 seven.
Speaker: You're staring at yourself in the mirror, trying to get your leg higher, trying to get your foot to point more.
Speaker: Um, which is hard then to, to be, um,
Speaker: To have that mindset of, okay, but yes, I am scrutinizing myself and trying to make my leg go higher, but how can I then turn around and still praise the Lord and thank him for giving me this body that I have?
Speaker: I feel like, because you want to be mindful and grow in your art, obviously, but I feel like there's a connecting point between that and also sin and righteousness and surrendering that to God.
Speaker: Because obviously, yes, we're supposed to bear fruit as believers, but if you spend 100% of your time just sitting in the mirror being like, man, you're such a sinner, you're horrible.
Speaker: That's not how God sees you anymore.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: You know?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That's interesting.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Cause he, he sees us clothed in righteousness and he sees his son, you know, reflected back at him.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: So like filing those away, but then being like, okay, I'm really going to like trust you with this.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Even if it's something I'm really frustrated about.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Being able to, yeah, say still.
Speaker: Accept the grace.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Like, thank you, Lord, for, for giving me what I have.
Speaker: And, and yes, I'm going to fight for excellence and I'm going to, you know, push myself to challenge myself.
Speaker: Because then we can do ballet with excellence and with all those beautiful challenges.
Speaker: And then point it back to the Lord.
Speaker: Be like, hey, I can do all these amazing things because the Lord has gifted my body to move.
Speaker: And so now I can use it for him.
Speaker: And I can do all these things with excellence and praise the Lord through it.
Speaker: So yeah, it's an interesting fight.
Speaker: Ballet is one of the few forms where you're like,
Speaker: yeah, just staring at yourself in the mirror, you know, you know, in a leotard and, you know, tights and it's like, okay, how can I, you know, how can I be accepting it?
Speaker: You know, so much is it, you know, so much of it is that you have to accept yourself, um,
Speaker: which is so hard for so many people when ballet has definitely a stereotype of like, you have to look a certain way.
Speaker: You have to have the perfect feet.
Speaker: You have to have the highest extensions where you're, you know, your toe touches your head.
Speaker: Um, and, and yeah, and if you're not that way, then, you know, you are not worthy.
Speaker: Um, you, you know, will not make it in the dance world.
Speaker: Um, and then, so as Christians, like, how do we,
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: How do you deal with that if, yeah, so much of it is focused on you and your capacity?
Speaker: So it's an interesting challenge of, you know, as a teacher of cultivating an atmosphere where we do want excellence, like, okay, we are going to push you to have your capacity.
Speaker: to your ear, right?
Speaker: Because we want to be the best that we can and ballet is that way.
Speaker: So it's like, okay, so we are going to be the best ballerinas that we can, but then not letting the focus of it being, it's all about me.
Speaker: It's all about how
Speaker: great I can be so that I can get all the glory at the end of the performance.
Speaker: But turning the focus on, hey, let's, no matter what you look like, or no matter if you have the ballet, you know, stereotype, you know, body or, you know, whatever, we can still use this as a form of worship.
Speaker: And it's
Speaker: It's beautiful to watch dancers who get that.
Speaker: And I was so inspired going back to Ballet Magnificat, like so inspired by them.
Speaker: You could just see the love of the Lord on their faces when they dance.
Speaker: Like when they're dancing, you know it's not for themselves or for their own personal gain.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And sure, they're not perfect, and they also struggle with whatever they struggle with, but praise the Lord that he is using them and inspiring other dancers like myself to look at them and see a little hint of heaven of...
Speaker: Wow, these dancers are amazing and so professional.
Speaker: They could get into those amazing companies.
Speaker: And yet they are here at Battle Magnificat using their gifts to inspire others to then worship the Lord.
Speaker: So that was so inspiring.
Speaker: That's cool.
Speaker: I am curious, like on the topic of dances and dance as worship.
Speaker: Like you've talked about how edifying that's been to you.
Speaker: I'm wondering if you do you think there's a general edification to, I guess, getting your body involved in worship?
Speaker: Or do you feel like a lot of that came from the fact that that's kind of how God's wired you?
Speaker: Or do you think it's a little bit of both?
Speaker: It is probably a little bit of both.
Speaker: Like, obviously, I love dancing, and I am so glad that the Lord did not have me go down a path of, like, a secular, you know, competition mindset.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So praise the Lord he saved me from that.
Speaker: And, yeah, and using it as worship.
Speaker: But I do feel...
Speaker: Like if, yeah, if you feel like dancing and yeah, again, you don't have to be amazing at it, which is great.
Speaker: You know, you don't have to be a professional dancer to, to dance and, and move your body and worship the Lord.
Speaker: Um, yeah, again, I wish it was more streamlined in churches that we could all just dance, you know, in our little part of our liturgy.
Speaker: This is the liturgy of the word.
Speaker: We're going to read the Bible and then we'll do communion and then we'll sing a song and now we'll all dance.
Speaker: And now we're going to sing a song.
Speaker: So hopefully in heaven, there is just like a big, you know, dance party.
Speaker: And, oh, I can't wait.
Speaker: All the angels around God.
Speaker: Oh my gosh.
Speaker: Oh man.
Speaker: I can't wait.
Speaker: I think it's, yeah, it's going to be the best, best dance party ever.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: But yeah, I, if you want to, yeah, just, you know, put on music in your room and just dance, even if you're dancing hip hop, you know, you can, you can also do that and, and, and use it for God's glory.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So I think, you know, it can be edifying for, for any, you know, everybody.
Speaker: And yeah, some people are not, are, are not wired that way and be like, dancing is definitely outside of my comfort zone.
Speaker: And it's like, okay, great.
Speaker: You know, then that's okay.
Speaker: You know, then maybe, you know, just, you know, raising your hands is all, all the dancing that you need.
Speaker: And sure.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So it's not going to be everybody's, you know, cup of tea is, you know, to, to dance.
Speaker: But then even to then watch dancers on stage, and I feel like you can be edified just by watching other dancers who are worshiping in the presence of the Lord, then I feel like you get that benefit.
Speaker: of like, I've seen someone who is so on fire for the Lord and whether they're, you know, preaching, like you're edified by that, whether they're singing, you are edified by that because they're so, you know, on fire for the Lord.
Speaker: Like it just does something in your heart of like, man, I want to be like, I want to go read my Bible.
Speaker: I want to like, I just want to be closer to the Lord.
Speaker: Um, you know, so I felt that way with preachers.
Speaker: I felt that way with, you know, with friends or, you know, someone who's singing and you're just, you know, you're just so captivated and it's so inspiring to,
Speaker: Um, so I feel like that is very similar than a dancing of if someone is so, so in the presence of the Lord and so on fire and so, so passionate, then that just like, just like washes onto you.
Speaker: And then you feel like you're being ushered into the presence of the Lord, which is.
Speaker: Um, also something that we as dancers, you know, pray for, whether that's, um, you know, when, when I'm, you know, physically dancing, uh, you know, during pilgrim, um, or whether that's me, you know, facilitating that in my students as they're about to go perform, like let's, let's welcome people into the presence of the Lord.
Speaker: Let's not, um,
Speaker: Have this just be like, oh, wow, they're doing cool dance moves.
Speaker: And, you know, they're smiling.
Speaker: But let this be an experience.
Speaker: Let this not just be a performance.
Speaker: Let this be an experience that these people walk away thinking, wow, those dancers knew the Lord and they love him.
Speaker: even if they're tiny, right?
Speaker: Even if they're six years old, like they can still be, still be edified by that.
Speaker: Um, so that's, that would be the, yeah, like the cry of, of my heart.
Speaker: If I'm, yeah, if I'm dancing in Pilgrim, um, and you know, or whether that's, yeah, them, my, my dancers, you know, performing on stage.
Speaker: Um, cause there's been, uh, yeah, many times now that we've done Pilgrim, you know,
Speaker: a hundred times, um, over a hundred times.
Speaker: Uh, you know, so you get to know what the dance is very well.
Speaker: You know, I can do them in my sleep.
Speaker: Although sometimes I just still mess them up.
Speaker: I don't know how I can do that, but I still sometimes mess it up.
Speaker: Um, but just trying to get into the practice of even as I'm on stage, uh,
Speaker: of praying for the audience, um, that, that they would be touched by the performance, that they'd be touched by the scene that we are dancing, whether that's the, the spiritual battle that's going on or when the angels are ministering to Christian, um,
Speaker: Um, yeah, that, that they would be touched and believing that the Lord will answer that prayer and that, that, yeah, there would just be such a overwhelming sense of, of calmness.
Speaker: Um, whether that's when, yeah, like the angels are around Christian or opening people's eyes to the spiritual battle around them.
Speaker: Um, yeah.
Speaker: And, and I remember, again, going back to Ballet Magnificat, but again, Ballet Magnificat was such a pointed time in my life of remembering one of the dancers say that they pray on stage when they're dancing.
Speaker: And that was mind boggling to me at that point.
Speaker: Cause I was like,
Speaker: How are you not like, how do you, how do you do that?
Speaker: How do you not, you know, forget all your dance steps.
Speaker: Um, and so that was just so eyeopening and such a good, like it just stirred something in my heart of, of wanting that.
Speaker: Like, yeah, I want to be at a place with my relationship with Jesus to, to be able to do that and just to do that naturally.
Speaker: Um, and not to let it feel like I'm going to get out on the stage and I'm going to pray for these people.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Um, which, Hey, the Lord can take that.
Speaker: He won't use it.
Speaker: Um, but letting it come from a, just a surrendered heart and truly wanting these people to be touched by this and not having any hindrance of the enemy in the way.
Speaker: Um, so if my, yeah, if my, you know, surrendered in that moment can help in helping that way, then, then praise the Lord.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: That's super cool.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I feel like you can't really do that in acting as much because you're manipulating your brain so much.
Speaker: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker: But that's like a cool idea.
Speaker: I think I've maybe gotten close to experiencing that when I played Jesus because Jesus just had such a connection with the father that I was kind of trying to tap into that the whole time.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But that like direct melding of the art and the
Speaker: the presence of God or coming before God.
Speaker: Like that's, that's a beautiful concept.
Speaker: It's been something, yeah, that the Lord has been definitely growing, growing in me.
Speaker: And, but yeah, I feel like with acting then, yeah, that would be an interesting thing because like thinking and you're speaking, that would be hard.
Speaker: And you have like two brains going on.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: The character brain and then the actor's brain is like, how's the audience reacting?
Speaker: What do I need to do?
Speaker: That would be, yeah, that'd be interesting.
Speaker: But then, yeah, then it's almost just like the outpouring of your life and your walk with the Lord.
Speaker: Yeah, just surrender it at that point.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Then it like.
Speaker: He'll just use whatever.
Speaker: Surround the rest of the process in prayer.
Speaker: Once you're on stage, let that flow.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Oh, man.
Speaker: Oh, praise the Lord.
Speaker: That's, yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker: So that's been, yeah, something that I've, yeah, recently been, especially with Pilgrim, because I'm on stage again, like I hadn't done a show before.
Speaker: you know, in a, in a hot minute before Pilgrim.
Speaker: Um, and then, yeah, just the allowing the prayer time before the show, um, of covering the audience and then just letting be like, well, why stop now?
Speaker: Like now that the show started, you know,
Speaker: You know, I'm not necessarily on stage all the time.
Speaker: So it's like, what does it look like if I would just continue that prayer time?
Speaker: And then being inspired by the other cast members who were also doing that.
Speaker: And so it's, yeah, it's been a really, really sweet, sweet time.
Speaker: That's awesome.
Speaker: I'm curious if you have a performance or part or something that you would point to as like the most artistically and or spiritually enriching or awesome.
Speaker: That's like when you're like, when I look back at my Mount Rushmore of projects, what are the ones that like...
Speaker: really stick out as being either artistically like this was amazing to achieve or spiritually like this was a really powerful thing to experience or both?
Speaker: Oh man.
Speaker: Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker: Well, one that I'd say artistically was really fun was I got to be Aslan in The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe Ballet, which was super amazing.
Speaker: That one was just so fun and
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Artistically to, you know, you're working with so many different people.
Speaker: Um, and Aslan is such, yeah, again, like a, a very Christ, you know, Christ, uh, role, yeah.
Speaker: You know, representing, you know, God in that way.
Speaker: Um, so obviously a lot of weight to that of like, oh, you know, wow, this has a lot of, you know, pressure.
Speaker: Um, but, uh, and it was, it was, yeah, a couple of years ago.
Speaker: Um, but that was, that definitely sticks out as like, oh, that was such a beautiful time to, you know, just be so involved with almost every single cast member, like Aslan interacts with a lot of people.
Speaker: Um, so it was very fun just to experience that role of, um,
Speaker: of being that shepherd figure that's shepherding everyone and then being that sacrificial lamb and then rising from the dead.
Speaker: And so again, what a clear picture of the gospel.
Speaker: That's cool too because I feel like usually women don't get a chance to portray Christ because in most instances where you'd be doing that,
Speaker: Like, it wouldn't be able to happen naturally.
Speaker: But I've seen the Narnia ballet several times.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Like, that works.
Speaker: So that's, like...
Speaker: That's exciting that you as a woman like got to step into that.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Because we are all meant to reflect that.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That's awesome.
Speaker: It was, yeah, it was really sweet.
Speaker: And then it just opens up your eyes to, I feel like just a small taste of what, you know, the Lord had to go through.
Speaker: Oh yeah.
Speaker: And what Jesus had to walk through.
Speaker: It was like, oh, and I'm sure, cause you played a very similar character.
Speaker: Doing that like revolutionized my faith and relationship with God in so many ways.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It was, it was powerful.
Speaker: And so, yeah, just getting a small taste of that, of his life and his walking through that sacrifice was, yeah, just, you know, and I definitely did not fully comprehend it at that time.
Speaker: Same.
Speaker: But just, yeah, looking back and remembering that is just, yeah, it's a good reminder of how much he laid down.
Speaker: Um, because, you know, Lucy and Susan and, you know, all the, the Pevensie kids just loved him so much.
Speaker: All the, all the, um, you know, Narnians loved him so much.
Speaker: Um, and then just, yeah.
Speaker: Thinking that they just lost him and, you know, now they're going into this battle and they're probably all going to lose.
Speaker: Um, you know, which is probably my mindset a lot of the time.
Speaker: Well, I'm, you know, I'm going on my own.
Speaker: Um, yep.
Speaker: But then, you know, then he comes back and it's, yeah.
Speaker: So that was, that was a really sweet time.
Speaker: Um, uh, definitely spiritually growing, definitely pilgrim, you know, for sure.
Speaker: Um, that again, cause I've been doing it the longest, you know, the longest show I've ever been a part of.
Speaker: Um, yeah.
Speaker: Cause our first one we did in 2016, um,
Speaker: at Lifestream Church in Allendale, Michigan.
Speaker: And my mom and I directed it, which was crazy.
Speaker: And it was just like, we were thinking it was going to be this, you know, tiny little church production of Pilgrim.
Speaker: We, you know, loved the show.
Speaker: Well, actually before, okay, before we did Pilgrim at the church, my sister and I directed it for students and fell in love with it there.
Speaker: It looks very different from where it was back then, you know, very big contrast.
Speaker: Um, but even back then when we did it with students, it was still powerful.
Speaker: There's a lot of rich stuff in there.
Speaker: And people still said like, wow, this, this is such a clear picture of the gospel of Christian walking along the road with the King always by him.
Speaker: And that just touches people.
Speaker: which is so beautiful.
Speaker: And so I remember being touched by that.
Speaker: And then, yeah, just the growth of Pilgrim along the way.
Speaker: So 2016, 2019, then taking it on the road.
Speaker: That has definitely...
Speaker: yeah, been the most transformative show ever been a part of.
Speaker: And not even like, yes, the show in a sense, but also then the people that are involved.
Speaker: And you can attest to that too, because you were involved.
Speaker: Just whether that's the leadership that we're under, the unity that we have as a cast,
Speaker: and the constant, uh, pushing of us, uh, pushing us to be closer to the Lord and, and, and encouraging us in our walk with him.
Speaker: And, and what does it look like to be fully devoted to him?
Speaker: And what does it look like to dedicate your entire life to him?
Speaker: Um, and how different that looks then from the rest of the world and yeah.
Speaker: And learning to, to walk like that and say,
Speaker: you know, if none go with me still, I'll follow him.
Speaker: Um, uh, so that has definitely been the, the most, you know, transformative show I've been a part of.
Speaker: Um, and yeah, so that, that's been, that's been amazing.
Speaker: Uh, but again, more so to do with like the cast and the people involved.
Speaker: Um, and then I feel like that just pours itself out
Speaker: back out in a positive way to the audience.
Speaker: Like if the audience sees that us as a cast is unified, it just makes the show 10 times better because they don't see all the little, you know, quips that are going on on stage of, you know, if people are not getting along, but like, no, we are literally a giant family.
Speaker: And so that's beautiful too, just to be able to tell that to the audience afterward of saying, yeah, no, this is like, this is how we live.
Speaker: And yes, we're still sinners and we still need the Lord every single moment of our life.
Speaker: Um, but praise the Lord that he has brought this team together and we are so unified.
Speaker: And, and I feel like that, that just encourages the audience members who may not know the Lord, um,
Speaker: Because they see that and they're like, wow, that's different.
Speaker: Like I want, I want that, that piece that you guys seem to have.
Speaker: Um, so a lot of good conversations have come because of, I feel like the behind the scenes work of the Lord working in the cast and not just the final presentation of Pilgrim and the thing that they see on stage.
Speaker: Um, yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, I think a lot of his work in at least the performing arts, which is what my experience is in, is like through the whole process.
Speaker: And there is, I kind of talked about this on the last episode with my friend Susie, but there's just such a difference in a community of artists and performers that are humble and submitted to Christ and centered around him versus the ones that are not.
Speaker: And it's both like a ministry to...
Speaker: the people in the cast and God's definitely used casts and, and those groups of people to shape me in marvelous ways.
Speaker: And then, like you said, pouring out to the audience.
Speaker: That's awesome.
Speaker: Yeah, I know.
Speaker: And it is, it's a little bit of both or like, or a lot of both.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Like you as a person and us as a cast and then yes, as an audience member, you know, and all the people that come to see it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Cause if I was doing some, you know, secular show a hundred times, it would,
Speaker: I would get a little old.
Speaker: But I feel like because of the message that it's bringing, that just pushes us to always strive for that excellence and strive for that higher goal.
Speaker: And not that secular shows are not great.
Speaker: Love secular shows.
Speaker: But I feel like this is just special because we're... There's a special thing when you like... Because God can always use...
Speaker: Whatever you're working on.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: And I feel like that's part of the mystery is you just submit that to him and you're like, I don't know how you're going to use me and arsenic and old lace, but you might.
Speaker: But there's something special when you're like, no, we like see the message here.
Speaker: We know it as well.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I just think that there's a special...
Speaker: passion and edification for us as performers when we get a chance to be a little bit in on the picture of what God's doing.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: With the, with the, the, uh, the work.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Oh yeah.
Speaker: For sure.
Speaker: That's awesome.
Speaker: We are getting close to an hour.
Speaker: This has been awesome.
Speaker: I have one more question for you.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Maybe I should have sent you ahead of time, but it's fine.
Speaker: That's okay.
Speaker: So this one is another one I ask everybody.
Speaker: If somebody came up to you and was like, I want to grow as an artist or as a Christian or was interested in dance or ballet in some way, what are a couple resources you would point them to?
Speaker: Ooh.
Speaker: I mean, I would definitely point them to, especially if they are looking to grow as a Christian artist in ballet, point them to Christian dance companies.
Speaker: Um, you know, if you're solely looking to like, Hey, I want to get started in ballet.
Speaker: And I'm going to say, you can start at any age.
Speaker: You do not have to be three or 10.
Speaker: Um, I've had dancers, students of mine that have come in when they're like 16, um,
Speaker: Um, and they're new and they say, I want to dance and they can dance.
Speaker: So there is no age limit.
Speaker: Um, and there are a lot of resources for, um, for adult, you know, dancers, you can say in the West Michigan area.
Speaker: I don't know, you know, besides that.
Speaker: Um, but I highly recommend, you know, if you're looking to grow as a dancer, uh, ballet magnificat.
Speaker: You know, said it a lot, but they were so transformative and any dancer I get to talk to, I'm like, you got to go to BalletMag.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: You know, their summer intensive is amazing.
Speaker: But there are so many other Christian dance companies that have been popping up, I feel like recently, which is so, so cool.
Speaker: Um, you know, ballet five, eight down in, um, Chicago area.
Speaker: They are super great.
Speaker: Um, definitely have a heart for the Lord.
Speaker: Um, but yeah, just, uh, I would even say, just dig into the word of God and see what he has to say about dancing and, and worship, which is so much of that goes into goes hand in hand.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, it says in first Corinthians of whatever you do, do it for the glory of God, which is for his glories, you know, theme verse.
Speaker: So that that has just been like our jumps, you know, our jumpstart of saying, OK, whatever we do, we're going to do it for the glory of God, whether that's our dancing, our costumes, you know, whatever we do.
Speaker: Um, so I say just, yeah, dig into the word, um, and, and yeah, do a word study on dancing and see what that, you know, what that comes up with and, you know, whether that's David dancing before the Lord.
Speaker: Um, but there's so many instances where people dance before the Lord.
Speaker: And so I am all for dancing, not restricting that, um, but
Speaker: if it is used for his glory right again anything can be twisted um but i would definitely say that and yeah if you are looking to get involved with classes like there are there's so many and don't be uh held back because of you know your age or if you haven't had dance experience like get involved with a class um because ballet is is so beautiful or you can just dance in your you know
Speaker: basement and that is also beautiful i do that all the time when my roommates are gone i'm you know i'm dancing around my house it's great um yeah so i'd see those two but if there's one like uh resource that would be like oh so so edifying so growing ballet magnificat down in jackson mississippi yeah
Speaker: Cool.
Speaker: I can be their spokesperson.
Speaker: Just sit them up.
Speaker: Can I be your PR person?
Speaker: Please.
Speaker: I just want to talk about how great you guys are.
Speaker: Can you hire me?
Speaker: Yeah, no, definitely.
Speaker: Yeah, definitely those two.
Speaker: And then just going to see, you know, classical ballets.
Speaker: Those are also so beautiful because then you can, I mean, you can still turn that around and be like, wow, these dances are amazing.
Speaker: And Lord, you've created these amazing dancers.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: you know, going to see the Nutcracker or going to see Swan Lake.
Speaker: Um, so amazing, especially, yeah, they are professional dancers.
Speaker: It is just awe inspiring to watch.
Speaker: And then just thinking, wow, the Lord created these amazing dancers to do these amazing things.
Speaker: Like our bodies can do that.
Speaker: They can turn around, you know, 32 times crazy.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So just exposing yourself to, you know, to the ballet world is so beautiful.
Speaker: It's such a beautiful art form.
Speaker: I could talk about it all the time, obviously.
Speaker: Well, thank you for coming on and talking about it with us.
Speaker: This has been really awesome.
Speaker: I really enjoyed it.
Speaker: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: If you guys want to know more about what Casey does, find For His Glory Ballet.
Speaker: Is it just For His Glory?
Speaker: For His Glory Ballet.
Speaker: Cool.
Speaker: For His Glory Ballet.
Speaker: They have a website.
Speaker: So check that out.
Speaker: Definitely check out Pilgrim.
Speaker: They're awesome.
Speaker: You guys usually do like once a year around here, right?
Speaker: So keep an eye on that.
Speaker: Arise Collective Theater are the ones that put that on.
Speaker: So check them out.
Speaker: See Casey in that.
Speaker: Or if you want a road trip to Branson, Missouri, you can do that too.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Thank you guys for listening and watching.
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