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Make Britain Great Again, with Leo Kearse
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London’s famously gloomy weather reflects the national mood. Farmers are marching on Westminster to protest crippling changes to inheritance tax laws. They are one of countless segments of the population that the new Starmer government has alienated in its early days in power. Illegal migrants continue to cross the channel in unprecedented numbers. Journalists are being investigated for thought crimes. And the long-term economic outlook is anemic.
At the same time, the new Trump administration may provide a blueprint for how to shake up a country in decline. The question is, how can we make Britain great again? To help Will with an answer, he is joined by comedian, podcaster and GB News host, Leo Kearse.
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Introduction to Far At Will Podcast
00:00:19
Speaker
G'day and welcome to Far At Will, a safe space for dangerous conversations. I'm Will Kingston. If for some reason you're not already following the show, you can find us everywhere from Spotify to Apple Podcasts to YouTube. If you like what you hear here, please consider giving us a glowing five star review. If you don't like what you hear here, forget I said anything.
National Mood and Policy Changes in the UK
00:00:41
Speaker
It's a typically gloomy day in London as we record this podcast, and it must be said that the weather reflects the national mood. As we speak, farmers are marching on Westminster to protest crippling changes to inheritance tax laws.
00:00:57
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They're just one of countless segments of the population that the New Stima government has has alienated in its early days in power. Illegal migrants continue to cross the channel in unprecedented numbers. Journalists are being investigated for thought crimes. And the long-term economic outlook is anemic at best.
00:01:18
Speaker
At the same time, the new Trump administration may provide a blueprint for how to shake up a country in decline. Question is, how can we make Britain great again?
Guest Introduction: Leo Curse
00:01:30
Speaker
To help me with an answer, I'm joined by a comedian, podcaster, and GB news host Leo Curse. Leo, welcome to Far at Will. Hey, very well. How are you doing? I'm good, mate. Am I being too doom and
UK Demographics and Immigration Strategies
00:01:43
Speaker
gloom there? What's your assessment of where the country is today?
00:01:46
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and it that I think if anything, you're not being gloomy enough. I mean, I think the sort of demographics of the UK, because I think UK's direction is decided by economists. And economists have said, you know well, we need to, with this level of public spending, we need to keep inflating the economy to be able to pay off our debt. So the only way we can do that is by bringing lots of Somalians and Iraqis and Afghanistanis and all the rest of it into the into the yeah UK to to work really cheaply for our businesses and you know keep all that asset prices inflating and stuff.
Cultural Implications of Immigration
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And I don't think they've really thought through the ramifications of bringing through you know people from pretty medieval barbarous ideologies, bring them through to the UK to become
00:02:31
Speaker
Almost the, I mean, within a couple of generations are going to be the, like Muslims are going to be the largest, largest religion in the UK. And I'm not saying, obviously I'm not saying like all Muslims have got crazy ideas or whatever, but I mean, we never really had a massive problem of female genital mutilation or terror attacks or grooming gangs or anything like that. So, you know, people's values, people's ideas don't evaporate when they when they set foot in the UK.
Islam Criticism and Racism in the UK
00:02:58
Speaker
Interesting, and I agree with everything you've said there, but a lot of people will just instinctively come back and say, well, what you're saying is racist. We should be a tolerant multicultural society. How do you think about how this conversation has evolved in the UK and how so often our criticism of Islam is conflated with race, when in fact they're two entirely different things? Yeah, Islam isn't a race.
00:03:24
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I dated a Muslim lassie from Russia who was totally white, you know what I mean? And, hey you know, and she wasn't gonna, she wasn't gonna, I mean, and was and also a lot of my Muslim mates are actually furious ah about things like grooming gangs because they're like, I'm from Egypt. We don't do any of that stuff. It's not, it's not us. It's like, it's not even just like Pakistani Muslim men. It's like a tiny subset of Pakistani Muslim men.
00:03:47
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So, yes, I mean, and I know that, you know, Islam is this global religion. I mean, people really need to wake up and ah look at, you know, when I'm to the Middle East, when Islam became this sort of dominant force, it's this colonizing force for all that, like our young people in the UK and in the West are like,
00:04:06
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We're colonial. Colonialism is so bad. and Israel's colonial. White Europeans are colonial. It's like, well, what's the real like dominant colonizing force in the world right now? Like what happened when? What happened when?
00:04:21
Speaker
Lebanon became majority Muslim. It was set up as a sort of majority Christian country. What happened when it became majority Muslim? What happened when loads of refugees went into Lebanon? What happened when little Palestinian refugees went into Jordan? All these countries that used to either be ah like ah of ah a sort of multi-ethnic, multi-religious makeup, as soon as Islam becomes the dominant force, all of a sudden it's not this, you know, ah, let's have a nice utopia with with everybody living happily side by side, you know, all of a sudden people get driven out of the country, driven out of the country if you're lucky.
00:04:57
Speaker
You know what I mean? Burnt in a cage by ISIS if you're not. And of course, the word that would be used to push back against you would be Islamophobia. You are being Islamophobic. And my understanding is that Starmer is going to introduce tighter laws around Islamophobia, part of a raft of all these kind of thought crimes that are being introduced into the UK.
UK's Response to Islamophobia and Terrorism
00:05:22
Speaker
How do you think about that word Islamophobia? Do you think it's a real thing?
00:05:25
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Yeah, but I think i think the u k the UK is starting to like wake up to the fact that like for ages we've been just placating the response, we've just been dealing with a response after the Manchester Arena bombing. you know It's all like, oh, don't look back in anger and there's this ah there's this sort of nauseating British thing. It's almost like a superiority complex of like, you know ah we're so we're so we're so noble and above everybody else, we can accept, you know, ah infinity, grooming gangs, terror attacks, all the rest of it. And, you know, the British people really sort of, you know, wank themselves off with their own oily tears, being all like, oh no, totally back in, no. Oh, why are you complaining about these children being killed?
00:06:05
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That's terribly gauche and lower class. But I think people are waking up to the fact that, nah, this is... I mean, can you imagine if it was a far-right ideology that was behind stuff? Do you think they'd be scrambling to cover up, to hide any traces of any sort of far-right motive? Do you think they'd have government-funded far-right training training buildings that receive charity money or receive government money and you know you get like far right preachers coming in to deliver sermons. I mean, of course not. but That would get shut down straight away when people would be like, this this these far right ideas are are disgusted. Instead, you know we're we're all supposed to like tiptoe around. We've got to listen to the community leaders and it's all goingnna it's all going to work out somehow.
00:06:56
Speaker
And while we're doing that, the the Muslim population in the UK is doubling, almost doubling every 10 years, which I mean, geez, man, I mean, that's, i don't think that I don't think the most like reactionary crazy racist of the 1960s or 70s could imagine. you but And like, and you only need to look at, you know, the Middle East, the Balkans, all these places in the world where we've had them with the conflict, you only need to to look at them to see you know where where it's going to where the demographic change is going to head. And you you just need to look at the election we've just had. i mean once Once you get a certain sort of
00:07:38
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a certain proportion of Muslims in the population, they start voting as a as a block. there's There's even a ah group, the Muslim vote. The the the vote is a sort of sectarian group. So I think people are going to have to wake up to it pretty fast. And yeah, I mean, like I get accused of Islamophobia, racism, blah, blah, blah. But I mean, I think those those accusations are getting pretty tired now. It's like I get called Islamophobic. I've never been called wrong.
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Yeah, and we're already seeing that Islamic blu voting bloc really tangibly influence elections. You know, I think you can make that argument for Sadeq Khan in London. In the north, there's that those local council elections where you've now got those Islamic councillors openly yelling Allahu Akbar after... what yeah yeah after being um voted in. It's interesting that Labour only just scraped in and quite a few key seats like Wes treating Jess Phillips, they just scraped in and I mean Jess Phillips had a really fraught campaign, there was a lot of intimidation from Muslim men against our staff and against her and even when she accepted the the vote, she only scraped in by a few hundred votes
00:08:49
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when she accepted it, you know, there's like heckling from these Muslim guys in the room and it's like Jess Phillips still refuses because like our ideology, our dominant ideology in the UK now is is like multiculturalism. So if you go against that, you're really blaspheming, you're like Galileo saying like, no, I don't think i don't think the sun does go around the earth, you know i mean everybodys like what You can't say that, you know what I mean? you Oh, you've got all this evidence. Oh no, that's that makes it worse. You've put time and effort into proving that your crazy, crank, racist ideology is correct. No, I mean, when Jess Phillips accepted it, she had, you know, she she was heckled by all these Muslim guys and they, you know, she was asked, you know, do you think it's it's got anything to do with the fact that Muslim? And it's like, no, no, it's because they're men.
00:09:34
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It's because they're men. like They're just being aggressive because they're men. It was ah was a mix you know a mixed demographic group. but There were lots of Jewish guys in that group. people people will never even when like Honestly, these people will be getting beheaded and stoned to death and they'll be like they're been making sure they're not being racist. but ISIS will be literally loading them into a cage and they'll be being careful careful not to say anything racist.
00:10:00
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but You're not wrong, but I think the other thing is as well is so often the people who are pushing these types of multicultural worldviews don't actually have to deal with the consequences of multiculturalism on a day-to-day basis. yeah but You're not seeing large groups of Islamic people moving into Islington or Notting Hill or Battersea or whatever. You're seeing them move into lower socioeconomic areas in the outskirts of London and then in kind of the regional areas. And so the people who are making decisions so often never actually see the outcomes of those decisions. And so they just continue to live in this bo bubble. And that then just drives this disconnect, which we're obviously in the UK and we're also seeing in you know other countries like Australia and the US s as well.
00:10:44
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Yeah, and like if you if you go to working class communities in north of England, I mean, I'd advise against it. But if you do go to those working class communities, like everybody everybody knows somebody who's who's been affected by grooming gangs. It's one of these things that's it's very sort of word of mouth because obviously the media media and politicians and everything do everything they can to to suppress it. But it's i mean it's something that that goes deep into our into our psyche. And I think a lot of this could be solved if you know new arrivals to the country lived with the people, lived in the communities who were asking for them. So you know you've got Emma Thompson, Gary Lineker, Carol Vordham, and all these people who like you say, you know they're they're insulated from from these issues because they're rich, they live in nice areas. And it's the working class we have to do, we've always had to do the sort of integrating. I mean, um and always been the most progressive, and Millwell Football Club,
00:11:38
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even though, you know, the The Guardian and, you know, other milk toast liberals will sort of go to Millwall fans as a sort of example of just, you know, fat-necked working-class racists. In the 70s, Millwall Football Club had more black players on its books than The Guardian had black journalists.
00:11:58
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So, you know, the working class have always done, you know, always had to do the integrating and it's them that they've seen their communities are broken up. And then them that have, you know, born the brunt of things like, like grooming guns. But yeah, I mean, if, man, if it was, if it was girls it like some like fee-paying boarding school that were getting groomed, it would be dealt with immediately. Because it's working class girls, everybody's like, nah, you know screw them. this is This is Britain. The
Societal Shifts: Lessons from Ireland
00:12:28
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most important thing is maintaining the class system. ah We don't care about those girls.
00:12:33
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it's It's really sick, but people people know about it and people talk. This is what brought down the Catholic Church in Ireland. The Catholic Church used to be so powerful in Ireland, but people would just talk to each other, people had horrible experiences under it and mothers would tell daughters and just the faith and the trust in the Catholic Church, even though everybody was paying lip service to the faith and the trust in the Catholic Church just evaporated amongst the population.
00:12:57
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And then one day, even though it looked like the Catholic Church was still all-powerful, and it happened really quickly, went went really, really quickly from you know being this all-powerful social and political structure. One day it just the carapace just fell in, like you know all the supporting beams had just rotted away, and one day it just it just collapsed.
00:13:18
Speaker
That's interesting that you said that people talk about this stuff because I almost feel like there's two discourses going on. There's the discourses at the pubs around the country where people whisper to each other that ah this country is changing really quickly and I'm not sure I'm comfortable with it. And then there's the discourse at the elite level in the media, in the corporate world, you know in the elite institutions where this sort of conversation is still regarded as Islamophobic. That multiculturalism is the religion of our times. And so that's why I think you have that that disconnect between the two. And I just wonder,
00:13:54
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whether the groundswell at a local or you know kind of person-to-person level will actually be able to start changing what we hear at the institutional level. Yeah, I mean ah guess when there's big terror atrocities, it really sort of you know, throws it into into stark perspective. And I think that's why, you know, the Southport trial is going to be so so key for for this government, you know, the sort revelations that are that are coming out and that are still to to come out. And I think could be quite damning for for the whole concept of and multiculturalism and Islamism and, you know, a lot lot of things that are affecting the
Economic Critique of Labour Government
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UK. Obviously, we can't talk about it because we don't want to prejudice the trial.
00:14:40
Speaker
But yeah, I think labor of what, a few months into? What, four months in? Five months into their run? And man, it's a five year run and so far, it's like we're on a speed run. And I mean, I think the other thing that's really going to affect things is like people will put up with all kinds of stuff. The population as a whole will put up with all kinds of stuff as long as they've got food, as long as they've got money, as long as they feel that they and their country is getting richer. Nobody feels that at the moment. And Labour seem to be doing everything they can to tank the economy and like even even even shut down farmers. And it's like, all these lefties are like, no, the farmers have got money. oh Look at that big house. i want to i want a big Why don't I have a big house? Oh, it's because you're lazy and you you're you're stupid. It doesn't matter. I still want the government to take the house of the farmers. So, you know, and they don't have a house either. And it's like, well, we're going to find out how many calories you can get from chewing the Labour Manifesto pretty soon. You know what I mean? but
00:15:42
Speaker
like why would Why would you go to war with the farmers? like Of all the people, it's like going to war with oxygen. it's like yeah Well, particularly as the world is going to get, I think, less stable over the next five or six years, food security and being able to produce your own food will get more and more important and it seems like What the government wants to do is to basically go to war with with what will be a really important part of that security mix. For people who aren't aware, farmers are protesting because there have been changes to inheritance tax, where initially farmers were exempt and now farmers with total assets over a certain amount will have to pay 20%, I think, inheritance tax when not when not the the owner of that particular farm passes away. And what they miss in that whole calculation is that farmers may have a lot of assets
00:16:35
Speaker
but they're generally relatively cash poor because all of the money in a farm is tied up in in the the actual machinery in the land itself they're running pretty tight businesses a lot of the time you only have to watch. Clarkson's farm to say that it's a really tough business and for me it just feels like it's another.
00:16:53
Speaker
conscious and deliberate attack on both you know that particularly British notion of you know the working farmer, and and in many ways, not just a class attack, but an attack on Britishness itself.
Inheritance Tax Impact on Farmers
00:17:08
Speaker
I don't know if that's going too far. What do you think?
00:17:10
Speaker
Yeah, no, it's it's interesting. and like you know while While other things have been an attack on the working class, which you know largely abandoned Labour, especially in 2019, when they all voted for Boris instead, and now I think a a lot of working class people are going to reform who you know do see say what they want to hear. Farmers have been seen as sort of upper class, but they they're still they's still you know there's still so of custodians of the land, they're the sort of soul of Britain, and it's just such a weird thing to to go to war with. I mean, it it shows how Labour have gone from being the party of working people and the party of Britain to being the party of
00:17:48
Speaker
multiculturalism and sort of global business. Because the farmers, the family farms, they get even though they don't make much money, they get they get passed down. And it's like ah it's like a legacy thing. You've got this like enormous asset that you know one day it's going to pay off, even if this year's bad, you know five years' time is iss going to pay off.
00:18:06
Speaker
They want to sell that off. They want to aggregate farms into into big businesses. Obviously, businesses don't pay inheritance tax because it's not it's not family run. It's a business. And they'll almost certainly be foreign owned businesses that are snapping up these farms as well. Yeah, yeah. And China's going to buy by a bunch. Bill Gates, mate with Keir Starmer, not long before he announced this this idea. So ah you know Bill Gates is now, the I think, the biggest owner of farmland in the USA. yeah So yeah man like the thing is like I mean if that if that land's used for for something that's more lucrative like carbon offsetting or whatever it is that you know you can't eat solar panels like you you can't you can't eat carbon sequestration is one of one of the things about food like I saw John McTeernan a former labor advisor say you know Starmer should you go to war with the farmers we don't need them
00:18:58
Speaker
You should treat them like Thatcher, treat the miners in the 80s. And it's like, yeah, but we can import coal from Chile. And it doesn't matter. It can sit in a boat for for weeks. like It's not going to rot. It doesn't it doesn't matter. if if we If we need to, we can stockpile it. You can't stockpile bananas.
00:19:14
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talk about avocados. Avocados are only ripe for about 30 minutes. but like They go from like too hard to ripe. And then like half an hour later, they're they they're over overly ripe and you can't use them. So you know it's not like coal that just sits there. You can just fill up your bunker with it or whatever. so And also, if you ever run out of coal, you might be cold, you might have to use wood on the fire, but you'll be all right. You're not going to die.
00:19:42
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But with food, you really, I'm going to eat food today. You're going to eat food today. You know what I mean? Like, fair enough, we can fly it in from the Gambia. But what happens when there's a war and they start sinking the boats that bring us the tomatoes from the Gambia? You know what I mean? And we're like, oh, we can't get all the food from the Gambia anymore. Oh, well, at least we've got all these farmers. Oh, no. Oh, we don't have any farmers left. And all the farms are owned by China, which is at war with us.
00:20:11
Speaker
like How's this going to work out? Which is not but outside the realms of possibility at all. The US will be at war with China by the end of the decade, which means that... Please, I would love if China if china took over, because we'd have the same but have the same communist autocratic regime punishing its citizens, but at at least it would be it be for the benefit of the nation instead of you know for the benefit of outside businesses and you know crappy ideologies like the the cult of multiculturalism.
00:20:39
Speaker
Well, this is a really good point because I think Trump's election has been a splash of cold water in the face of a lot of people who are just not used to hearing politicians so aggressively stand up for their country's interests at the expense of, well, putting that first and then kind of more regional or global or universal interests second.
00:21:02
Speaker
And this is so clearly on display in the whole net zero suicidal push that the UK is on.
UK's Net Zero Emissions Strategy
00:21:10
Speaker
You can see so many countries that are now walking back from that, the US being the biggest example. And yet Stama, who was one of the few leaders who actually bothered to turn up to that farcical COP 29 conference.
00:21:24
Speaker
and Ed Miliband who is just a deranged nutter ah doubling down and are saying we're gonna go for I think 81% of reduction by 2035 or something like that they're going full steam ahead and again this is all for something which is entirely symbolic the uk produces three-fifths above all of global emissions but this is the one i know about you this is the one that probably makes me the most depressed because it's so utterly suicidal and it's all for something which will not actually have any practical benefit whatsoever.
00:21:56
Speaker
yeah yeah Yeah, we know that they they're not doing it to reduce carbon emissions. like The same people who want to reduce carbon emissions also want open borders. And when somebody comes from the Congo or Sierra Leone to to the UK, their carbon footprint increases 150 times. So if you wanted to reduce are carbon emissions, you'd enforce a completely hard border. You'd make sure you only allowed immigration from from countries that had higher carbon emissions than us. So I mean, I think i think the USA is is higher per capita emissions. So we we know straight away that this isn't about reducing carbon emissions, because that would be a very easy way to reduce carbon emissions.
00:22:35
Speaker
It's not. It's ideological. It's about state control. And it's also kind of, I mean, I'm not saying it's like, I believe, you know, the climate is changing. It's not changing fast enough because, you know, it's about four degrees outside and it's raining. You know what I mean? Where's my, where's my Riviera weather? You know, I understand this is going to be terrible for Bangladesh, but I'm Scottish. You know what I mean? Like, oh, I feel really sorry for all the flooding and, you know, you're going to, you're going to die in a desert. But, you know, I'm going to get vineyards like this.
00:23:04
Speaker
you know i don't I really don't understand why Britain is doing the heavy lifting on climate change because we're going to be a net benefit of of this. of the Britain has a climate that needs to change, so it would be pretty good. Also, Scotland's made out of mountains. We're going to be fine with it. those Sea levels are rising. Well, i sorry in Norfolk, but all I'm going to do is just move a little bit higher up the mountain. you know I mean, I must speed those because it's nice weather now.
00:23:30
Speaker
but the The thing is, i mean but if you look at solar, solar power generation, is just it beats projections every year. It's getting so cheap. It's just leapfrogging ahead of everything else. So the private sector is really doing the doing the work. It's making this you know renewable energy so cheap.
00:23:51
Speaker
but year on year it gets it gets so much so much cheaper per gigawatt or however they measure, electricity. So for Labour to come in and be like, oh no, we need to spend infinity billion pounds that we don't have. And some of it's getting said, Ed Miliband, he's going to maintain the place to to spend 11.5 billion pounds in other countries to to like help them with their climate change or carbon emissions? It's like, are you mental? Are you insane? like We don't have that kind of money. like Maybe China's got that kind of money or America's got that that kind of money. like Britain just needs to worry about, you know really, we should be focusing on, we should be using using the the climate crisis as a sort of an opportunity to
00:24:31
Speaker
just make it easier through, I don't know, cutting regulations or something, make it easier for the adoption of stuff like solar. Because we need to make energy cheaper. we In Britain, we pay a ridiculously high price, even compared to Europe, which if we're going to compare with other communist regimes, compared to America, the the cost per energy unit, however it's measured, kilojoule, whatever. I'm not a science guy. But however it's measured, and ah in America, they've got insanely cheap energy.
00:24:57
Speaker
And their economy is doing really well. There's never been an economy in the world that's that's flourished and prospered and you know delivered double digit growth with with really expensive energy. So we need to
Energy Policy: UK vs. USA
00:25:08
Speaker
make energy cheaper. So we should be doing that instead of making it more expensive. And everything that Ed Miliband seems to be doing, what we need to reduce, we need to reduce our Ed Milibands. We need a pretty much 100% reduction in the level of Ed Milibands.
00:25:22
Speaker
Yeah, that's a very good metric for us to keep him inside, like total e number of Ed Miller bands by capita. And it raises a question here, and that is, US energy is already really cheap and it's going to get a lot cheaper as Trump starts to pull out all of these artificial kind environmental constraints. Do you think that that example will be enough for people in the UK to look over and go, we're paying almost double the amount for say industrial energy compared to the US at the moment?
00:25:51
Speaker
We're struggling to pay for you know heating our homes for in winter. Will that example be enough to wake enough people up to actually encourage politicians to drop this ridiculous push for net zero?
00:26:03
Speaker
Yeah, I think you know like like I said earlier, like people only really wake up to to stuff when when food gets expensive or or you know they their lives get impacted in some way. but If you look at all the riots, you know the Arab Spring, all the riots around the world, especially in in Egypt, the riots are always when the price of bread goes up. you know yeah There's always you know something to riot against. And people are like, oh, the rebellion against this dictator or whatever. But really, the rebellion against the the price of bread.
00:26:32
Speaker
So an energy is is is linked is linked to the to the cost of food because obviously you've got all the transportation, refrigeration, you know the energy used to create fertilizer and stuff. So yeah, i think I think especially in Germany, which is you know their economy is tanking super hard and they've got a super autocratic, lefty government that's just collapsing. I think we're going to see a lot of like almost revolutions like we've seen in in America, like we've seen in Argentina. I think that's going to happen across Europe. I think the the sort of establishment hasn't ah so of've been caught napping. They haven't really seen it coming. They didn't see, have you in the lay was dismissed as you know this this crank and this weirdo who would obviously, even if he got in, he would fail.
00:27:12
Speaker
And he's not failing. This is exactly what needs to be done. You've got all these like millions of people sitting about in the public sector. they're all It's like buying voters. you know Any sort of regime, any socialist regime like the Peronists, they like say to people, if you vote for us, we'll give you all these jobs. Keir Starmer is doing the same thing. There are 66,000 civil servants. They should have been fired. They're taking on during COVID to do the extra pointless you know Covid stuff, they should have been fired when lockdown finished. The Tories were going to fire them, obviously it dragged their feet in it. But Keir Starmer came in, the first thing he does is like, you know ah okay, we're not we're not firing them, we're keeping them on. He's buying voters. and this is you know everything Another thing about politics, everything they do is to is to get more voters
00:27:54
Speaker
and to increase their power. Operations scatter that Labour have got where they move illegal immigrants around the country. Like illegal immigrants, new arrivals to the country tend to gather in areas there's already already a lot of immigrants in. And those areas tend to be overwhelmingly Labour voting areas. Arrivals to the country tend to vote tend to vote Labour. After a couple of generations, if there's a war in Israel, then they can change their allegiance and vote for you know a Muslim voting bloc. But but this is this Operation Scatter is is ah is ah is an effort to move illegal immigrants around the country. So they'll be in Tory voting areas, reform voting areas, and make those areas more likely to tilt
00:28:32
Speaker
towards labour. Everything they do is to is to get power and and to get votes. but that's That's a bit of a digression. I think as soon as people get hungry, as soon as as soon as there's blackouts, because you know there could be there could genuinely be blackouts if we've got a power grid that can't you know deal with surge surges in electricity usage that can deal with the winds stopping blowing there's gonna be black people are gonna be furious they're gonna be out in the streets as long as it's warm that's another thing you need for rights it's got to be but to be warm and breads got to be expensive. Some people would argue that we've already had a series of small revolutions in the uk over the last decade you had.
00:29:10
Speaker
Faraj with UKIP, then you had Brexit, you had Johnson's Red Wall victory in what, 2019. And these are all examples of working class conservative people. Maybe even conservative isn't quite the right word, but that working class group that hadn't traditionally voted conservative saying, we've had enough with mass migration. We've had enough with anemic growth. We think that something needs to change. But my concern is if you look at say the conservative party,
00:29:40
Speaker
They certainly haven't really addressed any of those substantive concerns, which is one of the reasons they got hammered in the last election. They still are on a unity ticket when it comes to net zero, at least at the moment. They've talked a bit since the election that we now finally need to look at mass migration, but they certainly didn't do anything over the 14 years they had in power. Why is it that there is such a group of people who seem to support right wing politics, but the conservatives for so long just basically put their fingers in the areas and refuse to do anything about it. I think it might be because you know the entire the entire apparatus of government and the the public sector is surrounded by sort of NGOs and charities and lobbying groups that are all you know ideologically aligned with with the same things, net zero multiculturalism, mass immigration, all this stuff. you know Even economists say, you know we need we need all this stuff to to you know keep our keep our economy spinning.
00:30:36
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So, yeah, I mean, I think and like nobody's more disappointed in the Tories than me. If you went back to like the era of Margaret Thatcher, we're like, look at look at the Tory policies now, they'd be like, oh my God, like what on earth happened? I get that, you know, from ah from a sort of libertarian point of view, having open borders makes sense. Some economists have genuinely said we should have completely opened borders and allow you know whoever whoever wants it to move to to the west. and They admit it would turn our towns into you know shanty towns and you don't make living standards incredibly unpleasant. But we double you know the GDP of of Britain if if we did that. And it's like, yeah, but you know like GDP is just a line on a graph. you know i'm being if if If we did that, like nobody would ever be able to afford a house again apart from the absolute you know top oligarchs.
00:31:26
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people just don't, I think a lot of times people don't have any way of like transposing their their ideology into and so the real world. And it takes a sort of you know a maverick like Havi and Malay to come along and say like, no, like we, who actually is pro-immigration himself, but when it comes to to other parts, you know state control of the economy, having a massive public sector, you know it needs somebody like that to come along and actually show you like, no, these these people the the government does a pretty rubbish job at ah most things that it that it deals with. Well, probably the closest thing that the UK has to that is Farage, who's now leading Reform, Reform I think have five or so members of parliament, despite the fact they had a significantly higher percentage of the vote than what that number would would suggest. How do you see the whole Reform project
00:32:17
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going over the next five years? And what do what do you think the end game is for Faraj? Yeah, I mean, ah I could honestly see reform actually winning the next election. I could see reform, you know, possibly in ah and a coalition with with the Tories. I could see reform actually, Faraj actually being the ah prime minister. I think things are are changing that fast and, you know, it's it's becoming that necessary. I think i think the the MAGA project in America They're really, they hit the ground running. They, they had this all planned for years and they know what they're doing. It's nothing like Trump's first term where he's sort of, you know, just landed in there and he's like, Oh, what do I
Rise of the Reform Party
00:32:54
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do? You know, it's like, uh, it's like, you're just air dropped into the, into this job. Now he's, he's got a team that they know exactly what they're doing and they're gonna
00:33:02
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affect really substantial change. And it's goingnna it's also going to work. It's going to work economically. And I think people are going to be surprised at how how much it improves the sort of the lives of individual Americans. And it does all the stuff that left-wing socialist parties are supposed to do. like labor Labor are supposed to be there for for the working people. So that's going to be an example. Argentina is going to be an example.
00:33:26
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And yeah, like people people are really changing fast. you know I think we're we're we're reaching a you know a few inflection points, not just with immigration, not just with Islamism, but also you know economically. this This idea that I worked in the public sector and um honestly, I was a socialist before I worked in the public sector. Always voted Labour or always voted against the Tories and you know thought socialism was sure it just obviously fair. It's just obviously the right way. you know oh yeah The government should do this. ah do take These people have so much money, take take the money off them and you know we should we should spread it around.
00:34:01
Speaker
really, if you want you know if you want economic if you want people to be rich and happy, don't take money and give it to the government. The government is just a parasite. It's not this benign thing. It's a parasite that just feeds off everybody else. It's not just it's not just this zero sum redistribution. It like takes and wastes most of the money that's that's given to it. So it's not redistributing at all. You're just feeding this blob and it's not benign. like the The bigger and the more powerful the government gets. I mean, the UK government is is you know getting on towards spending half of our GDP, which is you know that's insane. that's that's like it's um It's almost as bad as like France or something like that. So as it gets bigger and more powerful, it automatically becomes more intrusive and more authoritarian. And you know and I think there's something in the British people, British people have always been a bit you know punk rock, we've always been a bit
00:34:56
Speaker
We're quite independently minded. there's ah There's a big swathe of us that are just like, you know, grubby, fat little socialist trolls who just want to live in a cave and get everything yeah getting their arse wiped for them. But there's a lot of Britain that's not like that, you know, that wants to fight Vikings and wants to, you know, it stand on its feet and as punk rock. So ah think I think we're going to see a ah big revolution, possibly possibly as soon as the next election. I think a lot of things are going to change over the next five years. It's going to be a pretty tumultuous time.
00:35:25
Speaker
You said that that that as the government gets bigger, it gets more authoritarian, and we're certainly seeing that now. And I think a really good, well, shouldn't use the word good, scary example of it is in this in the realm of free speech.
Free Speech and Non-Crime Hate Incidents
00:35:41
Speaker
So for people who aren't aware, the UK have picked up this Orwellian concept of a non-crime hate incident. There's been 250,000 of these non-crime hate incidents that have been have been issued since 2014, I think. One which has been in the papers recently was with Alison Pearson, who's one of the nation's better known journalists from The Telegraph.
00:36:08
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The police rocked up to her door, ironically, on Remembrance Day, a day that celebrates yeah UK soldiers fighting for freedom. And she was told that she had committed some sort of either hate crime or non-crime hate incident. She wasn't told what the offending tweet was that she'd apparently tweeted out. yeah ah She was only told, I think, roughly when it was was delivered.
00:36:30
Speaker
And now the telegraph is mobilizing behind her and and thankfully taking up the cause against this, what is an atrocity in what should be a you know free Western liberal democratic society. How do you think about this whole free speech issue in the UK and where it's heading? Yeah, I mean, the I think that Alison Pearson thing has just really thrown it and into sharp contrast. The Guardian dug up records, it's dug up her old tweet and it's it's not, it's it's really tame. i mean ah you know shee she made ah She made an error in the and the tweet, apparently, and there's some Muslim guys holding the flag. And according to the Guardian, she referred them as doohaters, which you know is obviously racist. you know she She thought it was a different group holding holding the flag, but you know you can't say that about you know just generic
00:37:14
Speaker
Muslims, because as we know, there's there's a huge amount of love between the Muslim community and the Jewish community. You only need to go to the Middle East to to see that. I mean, just look at the you know the events of October the 7th when a Muslim group loved Jews so much, they sent thousands of Muslim men over into Israel to to cuddle everybody. and So it's obviously it's obviously racist for for her to to say that, apparently. I don't know. like I mean, I think people should be allowed to to you know like I saw that tweet and I was like, man, that's not that's not racist at all. that It wasn't insightful. It was like wasn't inciting any violence or anything like that. So i I just didn't see what the fuss was about. But we know it's not about the tweet because or or any sort of you know damage or and incitement it could do. It's about opinion. We we don't have a police force in the UK. We've got an opinion enforcement squad. If you've got an actual crime happening,
00:38:03
Speaker
like there was ah from my From my house, I could see somebody chucking scaffolding poles off a tower block and like down into the street where they're clanging and and like one of these things. have you seen Have you seen in a film when a scaffolding pole goes through somebody? I mean, you you can't catch a scaffolding pole. It's going to wipe somebody out. Somebody's going to be pushing a pram or something. All right, it's three in the morning, but you know somebody's going to be walking past and get a scaffolding pole in the face or phone the police. but First, I was put on hold. ah That tells you something. you know i mean Then they're like, you know, what's the problem? I'm like, some kids chucking, get gay here as soon as you can. Some guys chucking scaffolding poles, you're gonna kill somebody. i don't they they shouldn't give but They couldn't give a toss, you know what I mean? ah I thought they were gonna arrest me for wasting their time. When my car was broken into, I thought they were gonna send round little Poirot guys with like, moustaches and trilbies to like, you know, dust for prints.
00:38:53
Speaker
No, nothing. They scoffed at the idea that they might actually do something to solve the crime. and They just gave me ah you know a number for for my insurance. I don't want to like think I've got insurance. Insurance is gambling. Insurance is gambling on bad luck. I'm not i'm not playing that taking that deal with the devil. I live and ride on my own. yeah Anyway, but like but with Alison Pearson, this is a year old tweet.
00:39:16
Speaker
like a tweet that's a year old. So you know any damage that it's been done by people reading it, also it's been deleted. you know this is This is something that you know is not a ah current and present threat to the to the community. and And by not telling her what it was, they didn't tell her what the tweet was. So she doesn't know. it's still It could still be up there doing this this supposed damage, you know inciting violence. It obviously isn't inciting any violence.
00:39:42
Speaker
They wouldn't tell her what it was. They wouldn't tell her who accused me. She said, who's accused me? ah They said, no, no, it's not the accused. It's the victim. So they've already decided that it's a crime because there's a there's a victim. Man, this whole, it's like, it's not just Kafkaesque. It's super, super, super dumb. It's just so dumb.
00:39:59
Speaker
You know what I mean? like At least you know normally in a Kafkaist bureaucracy, they're doing it to like demoralize the the citizens. you know and In the Soviet Union, they had all these laws that anybody could be seen to have broken. So it allowed the establishment to pick and choose who they could say has broken the laws and it also kept the the population in a state of fear. Have I broken the law you know so that they're all afraid? It's not even that well thought out. It's just dumb. Because multiculturalism has become this ideology anything that goes against it. Oh, you're suggesting this group of Muslim men don't like Jews. Oh my God, that goes against it. Everybody knows that Muslims love Jews. You know, that that goes against the ideology that Muslims love Jews, which, you know, man, like are are you nuts? This is where I actually disagree slightly because I think that
00:40:46
Speaker
by keeping it very opaque around what the actual lines are for what is acceptable or not acceptable speech. And by not telling you what you've actually done that's wrong, it has a chilling effect on speech. If you don't know where the lines are, then you automatically just self-censor because you're afraid of crossing this unknown line. I think it's a really intentional attempt to just shut people up because if you don't know what isn't, isn't acceptable, you will just shut yourself up out of fear.
00:41:16
Speaker
Yeah, no, you're right. No, actually, you're right. probably but Our government probably is smart enough to bring through laws to to do that. It just seemed like seemed like complete state incompetence. like The police didn't understand the law. The um the whole thing with the law is like it's got to be easily understandable. So you can't accidentally break the criminal law. you can't accidentally It's very hard to accidentally burgle a house or you know accidentally steal a car. There's got to be you know the the sort of the the mens rea, the intent the thought behind it. And with stuff like this, yeah, like, I mean, ah another reason the law has to be easy to understand is that it's going to be enforced by 22-year-old police officers who, you know, might not be the sharpest people, are tools in the book. So, you know, how are they, you know, they couldn't explain to Alison, you know, what she'd done. And these non-crime hate incidents, Essex Police have actually denied that they they threatened her with a non-crime hate incident.
00:42:05
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but they've been used you know plenty of times in the past and and i believe also when she said you know they they mentioned that the police haven't released the actual ah audio of the conversation so we we can't we can't we can't be sure can i give a for context for listeners there but a couple recently that have gone out there's no crime height instance one was against a nine year old kid.
00:42:26
Speaker
who called another kid a retard in school. And so he was, again, nine years old, given a non-crime hate incident that goes on, you know, on his record somewhere. There were other school kids, two girls, school, school girls, who said that another girl smelled of fish. That again, was noted down as a non-crime hate incident. But this is going, this is just so surreal. leo It's so bloody surreal, what we're saying. And these non-crime hate incidents, you might think, oh, well, it's just, you know, it means nothing. It's not a criminal offense or anything. It's actually kind of worse than a criminal offense in some ways because a criminal offense gets purged from your record after a certain amount of time. With these non-crime hate incidents, they they stay on it on some database that's searchable by you know future HR departments. If they do a background check on you,
00:43:15
Speaker
they can, this comes up and obviously HR departments are full of labor voting women who are going to, you know, be like, Oh, this person committed a non-crime hate incident. They can never work again. So it can really, you know, affect your life long-term. And also, you know, who knows what labor are threatening to bring in some sort of social credit score where you won't even be able to like borrow money.
00:43:33
Speaker
if you're you know as soon as and As soon as digital currencies come through, you won't even be but be able to spend money if you got one of these on your on your system. You're just going to have to go into the woods and die. So like these these things are really sinister and really have an impact. And they're not even supposed to be used. like Harry Miller, he was he was a guy who took them to to the court. I think he took them all the way to the Supreme Court battling this thing. He had a non-crime hate instinct because he retweeted a supposedly transphobic limerick.
00:44:01
Speaker
you know retweeting transphobic limericks is just a fun thing to do. It's not a crime, you know what I mean? it's just you know like who Who gives a toss? It's a funny limerick. And yeah he he had this like and they visited him at his work, you the whole sort of public humiliation, this sort of you know public almost like a, you know, a Maoist struggle session. I saw in The Guardian, man, John Crace was writing in The Guardian. He was actually criticising Alison Pearson for not going along with the struggle session. He was criticising her for for not being ashamed, for not being ashamed of the public humiliation. It's like, man, are you... ah you nuts like Do you not see that this is going to come for you one day John? There's going to be something in your canon, in your back catalogue that's going to be offensive and then whoever's applying this law is going to come for you. They're going to come for the Guardian. People never understand this sword that they're making is going to use be used to chop their own head off.
00:44:51
Speaker
Yeah, in a move that shocked and saddened the world recently, the Guardian made the decision to no longer post their articles on Twitter. And this is the one that really bugs me is when journalists actually start actively arguing against the principles of free speech. But that should be, as your journalist, your number one North Star should be protecting the freedom to speak freely so that you can then hold powerful people to account.
Press Freedom and Critique of Journalists
00:45:20
Speaker
our journalists are just A lot of journalists are just activists now, because there's not really much money in journalism as you know you'll see from how me and Will are dressed. but There's not so much money in journalism anymore, so it tends to be so people who are really motivated by a desire to change the world. Nothing's worse than people who want to change the world. like Just leave me alone. you know i'm mean The best way of running the world is always to leave other people alone instead of setting up some sort of stazzy police state where we'll grass each other up.
00:45:49
Speaker
In the last little bit of time that we have left, there's one other topic on my list that I wanted to get your thoughts on as Scotsman and that is Scotland.
Scotland's Drug Crisis and Social Issues
00:45:59
Speaker
So drug deaths in Scotland are the worst in Europe and it's not even close. If you look at the graph, so double the amount of deaths of despair in Scotland compared to the next country. It's really shocking. and It points to, I think, to a really, yeah, like there there is something really troubling going on there. What is happening in Scotland?
00:46:17
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, Scotland's basically, I mean, it's it's got a lot of poverty, but the the real poverty that kills people is a poverty of aspiration, because it's such a socialist country, and because so much of the economy is controlled by the by the government.
00:46:30
Speaker
you know, it's a real stultified, like if you want to set up a business, there's lots of barriers in your way. If you want to work, there's you're you're basically living under a soft communism. There just isn't the opportunity. And also, because we've got a tradition of taking lots of drugs, because it's cold and it's it's just is a cold, crappy socialist country. So people want to, there there's a tradition of taking drugs because people don't enjoy that. And because people have been doing it for decades, you've now got like old junkies, like junkies my age and like, you know, all right, I'm in my 40s, but that's man, that's like, even for a normal Scottish person, that's like, you can claim your pension at like 35. Scottish people don't live that long, you know what I mean? But especially if you're loading yourself up with with heroin.
00:47:20
Speaker
you're not going to live that long. So we've got these these old junkies that have been junkies for for decades now, they're starting to to die and they're pushing the figures up as well. And also everything the government does to sort of, everything the nanny state does to sort of nudge Scottish people towards you know a better lifestyle, like they've got minimum minimum unit alcohol pricing.
00:47:38
Speaker
So you can buy cheap booze in scotland anymore is more expensive than in england which is something that always you know shocks me when you got there going to supermarket to get your six pack of beers weather is more expensive than in central london. Probably the only thing is gone that is more expensive so this means it's like it's cheaper.
00:47:57
Speaker
you know, it's comparatively cheaper to go and get illegal drugs, go and get some like valleys or you know whatever it is, and neck them than it is to to get off your nut on booze. And So the government, in trying to make everybody healthier, has actually pushed people towards the illegal drugs market. But yeah, man, like it's it's the it's the as it's poverty of aspiration thing. Scotland's a pretty hopeless place. And it's it's like that there's also you know there's different tiers in society. I know like my friends in Scotland are having a great time. I mean, all right, a lot of them are.
00:48:31
Speaker
leaving. they were look ah and fact one One of my mates is a business owner. He was looking at moving like Sunderland so he could still be close to his businesses and run them and stuff, but you know enjoy the sort of the small tax break that you get living in the u living in England compared to Scotland. Now he's moving to Dubai.
00:48:49
Speaker
you know the There's not going to be you know the the tax break, like but the the taxes are going up. This is another thing people don't understand. Human capital is very, you know if you're rich enough, you can live pretty much wherever wherever you want. So you know when Starmer puts up taxes, people are people are going to leave.
00:49:04
Speaker
Yeah, I think the UK in 2024 is just number two in the world for outflows of, I think it's millionaires or billionaires. I'm not sure which one from the country with China being number one and China obviously has a significantly bigger population. So wealthy people are leaving the UK in droves and the impact that that has on on tax revenues and stuff is disastrous.
00:49:27
Speaker
Leo, again, it's been a bit doom and gloom that the title of this podcast is how to make the UK great again.
Reclaiming UK Greatness: Historical Perspectives
00:49:36
Speaker
Do you think that is possible? Do you see, are you optimistic about the future or, or you know, is the natural Scotsman in you coming out and you're pessimistic?
00:49:43
Speaker
ah i Look at the UK. The UK built the world. The UK built the world. The British Empire was the biggest and best empire of all time and it only did good things and we should bring it back. It was really cool. You know what I mean? Look at all the the bridges and stuff. Imagine the British Empire we could have now with all the new technology we've got. So yeah, I think Britain out of all the countries in the world, if it just had a bit of self-belief, if we had some of that you know Victorian you know zeal and you know had had ideologies that inspired instead of oppressed, then yeah, British people could totally rise again. So, I don't know why we've got this like, we're so down on ourselves. It's almost like this centuries of colonial guilt or something. When there's not much to be guilty about, like Britain did so much great stuff, it ended slavery.
00:50:33
Speaker
Like, we we brought systems of democracy, systems of bureaucracy, which, you know, ah you do need a bit of bureaucracy to run a country, and train lines, technological advancements to to all these all these countries. ah For all that we're told that, you know, Britain, we just took the resources of other countries and stole them and stuff. It's like, no, we we generated wealth. We generated wealth in those countries. Those countries got richer because of us. We got richer because of us.
00:50:58
Speaker
It's like wealth is generated. It's not dug out the ground. it's you know like it's Otherwise, you know all these countries, loads of resources would be automatically the richest countries in the world and they're they're not. So yeah, I mean i think Britain's got a lot to be a lot to be proud of and we should be looking forwards, not not backwards. Where can listeners listen to you and watch you?
00:51:19
Speaker
So I've got a YouTube channel, and I'm also on GB news. I've got a show on GB news on Saturdays, and I'm on headliners quite a lot as well. It's like comedians, 11 p.m. comedians going through the the next day's news stories, like a paper review story. So we go through, you know, whatever's in the next day's papers. Yeah, it's a crack up. Well worth watching for everyone who is tuning in. Leo, thank you for coming on Fire at Will. Thanks, Will.
00:51:43
Speaker
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