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Speaker: Are you ready, kids? Get your parents' permission, check your mailbox, and grab your shopping cart. It's time for the Adventures in Collecting podcast. I'm Eric. And I'm Dave. Welcome to Adventures in Collecting, where we talk toy news, culture, and hauls, along with our journeys as collectors. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Adventures in Collecting.
Speaker: Hi, Dave, we are back. And, uh, and, you know, I, I think, uh, I think I'm just going to jump right into it. Um, I don't have no bearing, no bearing the lead. So from, from, uh, from standup comedy to toy and movie documentaries and seemingly everything in between, uh, to now making toys and publishing books. The nacelle company is growing rapidly across a multitude of entertainment avenues, joining us once again on the show.
Speaker: to bring us up to speed is Nisselle company founder and CEO, friend of the pod, Brian Vokweis. Welcome back to Adventures in Collecting, Brian. Thank you for having me, always fun. So yeah, it's been two years since we've had you on and not a whole lot has happened in the last two years. It's been a very boring, uneventful two years for everybody all over the world. Rumpelstiltskin.
Speaker: Well, before we get into the multitude of news and all of the fun things that Nacelle has going on, since this is a show about collecting, you know, and you have a few action figures, toys and collectibles of your own, you know, just, you know, just a few. What are some of the things that you've recently picked up for the collection? Oh, wow. That's a good and well, it's interesting. So I've done a lot of traveling this year, most I've ever traveled in a year.
Speaker: So...
Speaker: About two weeks ago, I was in Brazil and I went, we were shooting at a bar and next to the bar was a, it would be an exaggeration to call, it was kind of like a stationary store that had a toy section. And I have a like tiny collection of bootleg toys. And I would say my bootleg toy collection doubled.
Speaker: I mean, I got, I'm looking at them right now. I mean, I got.
Speaker: Bootleg, Lego, Iron Man. I got this guy, this thing called the fatal war, which I guess is like a big thing in Brazil. It's like literally like a SWAT team kind of dude. And it's called fatal war. It says fatal war across his chest. So that was Brazil. Then I was in Toronto this past weekend and I went to treehouse toys
Speaker: which is a part of our passport program. They're a passport member of our of our thing. And I got and I've wanted this forever. I hadn't even seen it yet with my own eyes just to get a Jedi quote in there. They had the Megatron his tank.
Speaker: Like I said, I hadn't even seen one yet. And then yesterday, for the first time in I think six or seven weeks, we have a mall near our office that is one of the only malls, if not the only mall in the US, where in the same mall, there is a Walmart and a Target, let alone a Best Buy, let alone a GameStop.
Speaker: So i got what i get i got i got a new star destroyer which has a lot of like fire damage on it i got in a so katana lightsaber and i got oh and i finally got a good price every now and then i see a black series where i'm like.
Speaker: That's not $30. Like I'll pay 30 bucks for Shaker era. I'll pay 30, 40 bucks for the, those black storm troopers that Jedi Luke killed in Mandalorian. But they had those security guards from Mandalorian season one. Yeah. Like Bill Burr shoots up and everything. I wasn't paying $30 for that, but Best Buy had them for 19 bucks. So that was my Monday.
Speaker: So a lot of things. Just lots of stuff. Just a lot of things. And I'm trying to buy less too. That's the sad thing. I think we all are. I think we're all getting to that point where it's like, you know, we've talked about it a bunch on the show, but like guardrails. Gotta have guardrails.
Speaker: By the way, let me tell you why guardrails don't exist. So I'm having coffee with my wife this morning and I set a budget for myself for every month to try and buy less. And I'll be honest with you, it's not even about the money, it's about like, I don't have room. And we just moved, so I'm building like a whole new toy room and all that. But literally coffee this morning, about 6 .30 AM, I say to my wife, baby,
Speaker: I only spent half my budget in October. That's about 6 .30 AM. Before 8 AM, I got a text from a buddy of mine in Cincinnati, sending me pictures saying, hey, here's about 25 grand worth of first shot Star Wars figures. You can have it for only 10 grand. So that's why I don't really think there's guardrails when you have friends like that.
Speaker: Enablers, enablers, yeah. Yes. So a lot has gone on since you were on last in those two years. One of the projects that you've worked on is Icons on Unearthed on Vice TV. Tell us about the series.
Speaker: So we have started, it started last year when we put out this show called The Center Seat, 55 Years of Star Trek. And this was a new initiative the company had started. It technically started before that on another show we do called Down to Earth with Zac Efron, which is for Netflix.
Speaker: Season two this coming friday i've been told to get better with plugs so we have been shifting towards a you know we make a lot of stand up specials that we finance ourselves and then we license them to network.
Speaker: but we retain the ownership. Starting with that Star Trek show we did last year with the History Channel, we started using that model for the stand -up specials with our documentaries. It worked very well. We came up with this new idea, which was to do the deepest dive ever for the biggest IPs in the world. We started with Star Wars. It did really well.
Speaker: So they picked up season two, which was The Simpsons. Simpsons is doing even better than Star Wars, which breaks my heart, but it is true. And they already picked up season three, which we're in production on right now, which is about Fast and Furious. And I mean, that trailer you showed at New York Comic Con, it's amazing how quickly you were able to film all that footage for that trailer. It was almost like magic.
Speaker: Well, we start producing like they basically give us a heads up. Things are looking good or things are looking bad. And they told us things were looking good after the second episode. So it's the beautiful thing about being able to move quickly for us, I guess, is we just, we just went to work and luckily they actually green lit it.
Speaker: So, you know, you mentioned Fast and the Furious, and we'll get to The Simpsons in a moment since that's the one that's kind of on right now, but how did you go from, so like, Star Wars makes a great starting point. Simpsons, touchstone of, you know, American culture, longest -running television show, Fast and the Furious. How did you go from those two to Fast and the Furious? What was kind of the draw there?
Speaker: Well, I mean, the reason the title is what it is, is we're trying to unearth icons. We're trying to find stuff that the audience looks at every day and doesn't question. So that's the whole premise of the series.
Speaker: With Star Wars, the challenge was there's been 80 billion documentaries about Star Wars. How do we add value? Hashtag Marsha Lucas, but anyway. So then, Simpsons, as you said, that made a lot of sense if you don't think about it. You don't even have to think about it. As you said, it's been on for almost 40 years. Makes sense. Fast and furious.
Speaker: It's as iconic as almost anything we're doing, maybe not by years. But here's the interesting thing. There have only been nine movies that have been released. Those nine movies have made more than James Bond has made. And I, they made like 30?
Speaker: There's a lot of them. Yeah. So that's what people don't understand about that franchise in particular, is this is a massive culture changing show, you know, series of films.
Speaker: Like why hasn't anybody talked about it? So we had, it was one of the most fun I have ever had producing anything because everybody was so eager to talk to us. And I kid you not minimum eight out of every 10 people we interviewed basically said, thank God somebody's doing this because it didn't make sense to anybody that nobody had ever done a documentary about it. And I mean, nobody.
Speaker: It's like one of the most unheralded, like most popular series ever. Like everyone's seen it, everyone's been in it. And it's, yeah, it's continues to go on, you know, where the 10th one's coming soon, so. And by the way, in a spin -off movie. And a cartoon, there's a ride at Universal, $150 million ride, but like,
Speaker: It's brilliant. I have a small but growing Fast and Furious area in my collection now. I'm completely hooked. I know we're supposed to be talking about The Simpsons because tomorrow night's the season finale.
Speaker: it's brilliant like they do everything for there is a scene i think in fast nine it might have been fast eight but where there's like a billion washing machines that go flying out of a washing machine store and go flying into the street because of course there's a truck with a giant magnet on it right.
Speaker: They did that for real. They literally attached wires to dozens and dozens and dozens of washing machines and just literally dragged them into the street and smashed them into the fucking truck. Then, of course, they erased the wires, but when you're watching it at home, you're assuming it's all CGI.
Speaker: And like barely anything is CGI. The movies are all improvised. Like there's another scene where a car jumps up and crashes into a semi. No, sorry. Crashes into a moving train. I believe this was Fast Five. They were shooting the train in New Mexico. They were shooting the interior fight in the train in Atlanta.
Speaker: So they shoot the stunt in New Mexico.
Speaker: The car was supposed to jump over the train. It was a complete fuck up that it went into the train, but this is what makes that franchise special. The people in New Mexico call the people in Atlanta and they're like, I'm not sure if this is good news or bad news, but the car went into the train. So if you're still filming, we can ship you the car and maybe have it smash into the set.
Speaker: And then that could be cool. And literally nobody questioned this. Nobody was like, what? Just redo the stunt. You fucked up. They rolled with it. And now I challenge you to watch that scene again. It looks like it was meant to be. The entire thing was improvised. The entire thing. And that's the microcosm for that series. It's not just the dialogue. It's so much as improvised as they go.
Speaker: Sorry, I get so wound up talking about it now. And I wouldn't go so far as to say I was dreading doing it, but I wasn't jumping up and down looking forward to it the way I was Star Wars or whatever. And I'm obsessed, obsessed with those movies now, like a lunatic.
Speaker: And by the way, this happened to me with He -Man on toys that made us. I was not a He -Man fan, had no desire to, like, I was like, oh, the crew had to like threaten to mute me for us to do He -Man. And then I became the biggest He -Man fan on the fucking team. So I like literally have lost my mind about these fucking movies. Like I am obsessed with them. Sorry, you got me going. So let's - They're easy to love, I'll say that.
Speaker: Let's bottle up that energy and let's move it back to The Simpsons for a moment here, because like you mentioned, the season finale is imminent. What's the most interesting thing you discovered about The Simpsons doing icons on Earth? I'm honestly answering your question because this is the most interesting thing to me.
Speaker: This story, I cannot tell you how common this story is with success. And I don't just mean success in movies and TV shows. I mean almost any success. So James L. Brooks, he makes four movies for Fox Studios.
Speaker: Three of them get Oscar nominations. Two of them win Oscars. All four are massively, massively, massively profitable.
Speaker: So Fox Studios is renegotiating, not renegotiating, they're negotiating with him to get his next four movies. Simultaneously with this, he was making the Tracy Allman show. And while making the Tracy Allman show, he fell in love with The Simpsons and Matt Groening and all this other stuff.
Speaker: And they keep, everybody is trying to get Fox television to greenlight The Simpsons. And Barry Diller, everybody is like, no, this is horrible. What are you talking about? First of all, it's only 40 seconds. It looks like crap. It's not that funny. Nobody's writing us letters about it. And James L. Brooks, on the verge of the deal, blowing up with Fox, he was about to go, I think, to Warner's.
Speaker: says to his lawyer, wait a minute, maybe to get the deal done, why don't you propose this? 13 episodes of The Simpsons, and then I'll do four more movies for Fox. And his lawyer says, what's The Simpsons?
Speaker: Brooks goes, don't worry about it, just see what they say. And this is not an exaggeration. They were literally arguing over an approximate $50 million deal point. That's what was preventing the deal from closing. So when Rupert Murdoch heard
Speaker: By greenlighting The Simpsons for approximately $9 million to $12 million, he could get James L. Brooks' next four movies. He, of course, said yes, it was a bargain. And by the way, I don't know for sure, but I do not believe, I know for a fact none of the next four films got Oscar nominations, let alone one. I do believe most, if not all, may have lost a little money.
Speaker: So, but Fox got one of the most lucrative intellectual properties in human history because of that. And I cannot tell you, as you know, starting with Toys That Made Us, we have been making shows like this for over half a decade. The amount of time stuff gets greenlit because
Speaker: There was a scheduling issue or no one was paying attention and that becomes the big thing. The best example I've ever seen of this, go to YouTube and watch the Mac world where Steve Jobs introduces the iPod.
Speaker: It's 90 minutes long, and he spends about 58 seconds talking about the iPod. The majority of the Mac world was talking about an Apple printer that wouldn't even go into production, talking about an Apple camera that didn't last more than one year, and the thing that would save the company and make it what it is today, less than a minute.
Speaker: And that's why that clip is so prolific because it's like just this kind of like nugget in time that ended up changing everything. Yeah, didn't work. I mean, literally didn't even work when he was holding it. So yeah, that's The Simpsons. And now a word from our sponsors.
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Speaker: That's BetterHelp, H -E -L -P dot com slash A -I -C. And now back to the show. So you mentioned, we mentioned earlier now a fifth season coming of a toy store near you. Yes. It's spotlighted independent toy stores for now for an into five seasons. What's next for the series?
Speaker: We have two more seasons coming for sure. So there'll be at least seven seasons. We do the best we can and we hope people watch and we hope we get greenlit. And luckily based on the performance of season four, and you have to understand we're always making two at a time.
Speaker: So season four and five were in production. Season four did really well. So they picked up season five and season six. Awesome. And we are trying, this year was bonkers. This is the craziest year of my life. So that's why we only had one season this year. But if everything goes according to plan, next year we'll be back to two seasons.
Speaker: So are you guys looking for more toy stores at this point, like to participate still, or do you kind of have your, your list at this point? 90 % of the truth is we have the stores. Okay. 10 % is every now and then we find something that we make an exception for and we bring them in. It could be, we didn't like, we just found a great store in China. It's very important to me that the show be international.
Speaker: So we just, and it's very hard to get international shows on board for a variety of reasons. So we just got this store from China to agree to do it. And they will be in, I believe season seven.
Speaker: So from TV programs to toys themselves, you guys have made shows about toys and now you're making toys. So tell us a little bit about what you have coming up with Roboforce, Sectaurs, and of course the Legends of Laughter line. So tomorrow's a really a very, very big day for the company and for me personally.
Speaker: To use some new jargon I learned, the toys hit the water tomorrow. They're leaving China at about 10 .30 in the morning China time, which is, by the way, I literally now talk to China almost every day, which is insane, but yeah, that's in about six hours. They'll be leaving China,
Speaker: It's about an 18 day sale to the US and God willing, people who ordered them and the stores that order them, all of them should have what they ordered before December 15th. Wow. Congratulations, man.
Speaker: Yeah, but thank you. And it's, it's crazy, man. Like it, it is crazy that a company like ours that had never done anything like this was able to do it. I mean, it reasonably quickly. I mean, it's been less than a year since we bought the copyright.
Speaker: So that's that. LOL, Legends of Laughter, which is Bill Hicks, Joan Rivers, and Lenny Bruce. That's right behind it. And then right behind that is sector's wave one, which I never understand where this came from, but it's cell.
Speaker: It's like hotcakes. I don't know what that means, but it's sold so quickly. We not only greenlit wave two at least six months earlier than we had planned, maybe 10 months earlier, we are moving up to instead of two figures per wave, it's going to be at least three. Awesome. Yeah, it's very cool. I mean, people love sectors.
Speaker: They really do. Yeah, it's one of the big ones. And then we have our first garlou right behind that. That's right, garlou as well. Yeah. So those are all in production right now simultaneously. And if things go according to plan, all of those will hit the water on the same boat in the same container in April. So you mentioned that the
Speaker: Next iteration of sector, so wave three would include three figures or wave two would include three figures. Is there a wave two coming for Legends of Laughter yet? Do you guys have some more talent lined up?
Speaker: Not yet. That's the only one we've greenlit so far where I got to wait and see. I think a lot of people in my position would actually have canceled it. But my hope is once they come and people see them, they'll get it and they'll sell better. Everything else we've announced where the presales have started, I mean, are profitable and then some.
Speaker: uh legends of laughter not moving as quickly but and we're starting to do deals now actually with comedy clubs um we're talking to some comedy festivals and closing up a deal so i listen i i have not had an easy career to put it mildly so my hope is
Speaker: we can just shine enough light on them that it ends up doing well, at least a double, and then we can make more. But as of now, that's, again, to use another expression, I don't know what it means or where it comes from, which is probably dangerous to do in 2022. If we had a red -headed stepchild, it would be LOL right now, but I do believe we could will it into a success, I hope.
Speaker: I feel like most of the talent featured in that would be willing to take on that red -headed stepchild's namaker willingly. I feel like that's right in their wheelhouse, so yeah. All right, so for this next
Speaker: section, Brian, we have a couple of questions from our followers. Anytime we have a guest on, we post on Instagram that we will have a guest and we always give people the opportunity to ask questions for the show. So if you are listening to this for the first time, welcome. But also make sure you're following us on Instagram at AIC underscore podcast. So that way you do give yourself the opportunity to ask people like Brian questions when they come on. So Dave, would you like to
Speaker: ask Brian the first question in our Q &A segment. I would. So, at Way of the Sith asked, how big of a deal was it for you to get Marsha Lucas for icons on Earth? I would argue in all the shows we've ever made about pop culture and nostalgia, it was
Speaker: within reason the most important person we've ever booked. I woke up one morning and I was supposed to fly to New York at 3 p .m. and I woke up, I looked at my phone and I had an email that said, Marcia has agreed to do the interview. She is available tomorrow and for the next nine days and she was in Hawaii. I canceled my entire trip to New York which was
Speaker: 20 to 30 meetings, all canceled, and flew to Hawaii. Like that, it was on a two o 'clock flight to Hawaii, 12 hours after I landed, I was in their living room, six, six plus hour interview. Amazing. Friend of the Pod at Toy Fars asks, if licenses and trademarks were not an issue, what's the one toy line you'd bring back if you could? Oh my God, wow.
Speaker: That's a great question. And I cannot believe I am being asked that while I am not, I told you, I just moved. So my collection, oh my God, that's a great question. I have never been asked that before. And by the way, what a genius having the caveat of money is not an issue. You know what I'd bring back? I would bring back
Speaker: Yes. Oh my God. This is the kind of question where if I didn't think of the real answer, I'd be mad at myself later, but I got it. I got it. Cops.
Speaker: Cops and crooks, great line. I don't know why, but I had a feeling. I love that show. It's not just the theme song. Everybody's always like, I love that show. Best theme song ever. And I'm like, yeah, it had a great theme song. It was also a great show and the toys were amazing, like amazing. So it would absolutely be cops. Oh my God, I'm so glad I thought of that. That would have driven me insane.
Speaker: I would have tried to rebook myself for next week. Whatever you want to talk about, I'll talk about, but can I just address something I said last week? All right. And one more, Dave, do you want to do the last one? This was a very popular question.
Speaker: Absolutely. Um, so for me or for everybody, like everybody always asks this. So this question, when we posted the story, we got asked this question. I forget whether it was, that was like 10 or 12 times double digits. I gotcha. Okay. All right. Ready. I'm ready. So are there any updates on the silver Hawks series relaunch?
Speaker: Uh, no, sadly there are no, uh, there are no updates very sadly. Okay. So, so holding pattern, the silver Hawks are in a holding pattern. We can say that is an accurate statement. Okay. All right.
Speaker: Well, there you go. So Brian, I know that was a quick round of Q &A, but you survived the Q &A. I did it, I did it. Which takes you to our final question. Now, you were on the show two years ago and we did not have a show format at that time. So you did not have the opportunity to experience our show's proper final question, which we have now, Dave has now honed this skill
Speaker: He's worked on this for three years -ish. No, less than that. Because I just said you were on two years ago. Yeah, because we haven't done it since day one. We really started developing this shortly after you were on the show. So Dave, would you like to fulfill your role as this podcast's James Lipton and ask our final question? Why, yes, I would. So the final question that we ask all of our guests
Speaker: What is the strangest and or favorite piece in your collection? It can be one of each or it can be both. Wait, I'm sorry, strangest or weirdest? Or favorite.
Speaker: Oh, so it can be two things. It could be one thing that that checks both boxes, however you choose to answer it. Can I can I do both? Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. All right. So my favorite and this is pure emotion has nothing to do with the pieces. It's a tie. It's my original R2D2 that I played with when I was like five. And it's my erdle.
Speaker: star trek the motion picture enterprise that i hand painted the impulse drive the running lights so those though and by the way here's the beauty of living in california these days i've had to evacuate my house twice for fires so um the first time we weren't ready for it so i literally had less than 25 minutes to grab whatever i could grab after my kids were in the car and wife um so
Speaker: That's what I grabbed. And if the value of my collection is a hundred bucks, the value of those two pieces is 0 .00000000 a million owes one cent. So.
Speaker: That showed me what I care about. And then the weirdest thing I have, and by the way, if I can pat myself on the shoulder for a second, on the back for a second, I am answering this question with my entire collection boxed up. So that shows you how weird this thing is that I immediately can tell you. There used to be this amazing vintage store in Manhattan that has been gone, it was gone before, no, I think COVID, I think COVID was the final straw.
Speaker: It is a completely realistic sized little creamer container. Like, you know, when you go to Waffle House, they got a little thing holding the creamers, but it's not a real one, but it looks real, but it's beautiful, like molded plastic. The top has been slightly pulled back. And again, it's real size, but that big.
Speaker: There is a highly detailed SWAT team dude with a rifle, literally sticking out of where the cream top has been pulled back, aiming at someone like he's going to assassinate them. That is the strangest thing I have. So you have a tiny little SWAT man in a creamer.
Speaker: Yeah. Oh yeah. And I literally have been asking people like people that make me look like I don't even know what the word toy means. I've sent them pictures of it. No one knows what the fuck it is. It really sounds like something I'd see in Fortnite, but yeah, but I got this conservatively eight or nine years ago. Wow.
Speaker: By the way, I mean, when my whole room was all set up back then, it was, you know, it was about 3 ,500 pieces, eight out of 10 people walking in there surrounded by all these colors and objects with zero in on it. Like, what is that? It's like, oh, enterprise.
Speaker: Reamer? Yeah. Cream? Yeah. I wish I could show it to you right now. It's nuts. Well, we'll give you a few weeks to get settled and unpacked, and I'll send you a DM and ask for a picture of it. Please do. By the way, it'll take more than a couple of weeks. Like I said, it's now close to 4 ,000 doors. And we literally just got the shelves yesterday in. So give me a month. All right. Sounds good. Sounds good.
Speaker: Now listen, before we let you go, just please remind our listeners, where can they keep up with what's going on with the Nisele company? And of course, where can they watch the new content?
Speaker: Um, so, um, I, you know, I'm on Instagram under my name, Brian Voke Weiss. Uh, the Nacelle Company is on everything, Instagram, uh, Facebook, whatever. Um, Icons on Earth is on Vice, 10 o 'clock on Wednesdays. Uh, tomorrow is our season finale for The Simpsons.
Speaker: A toy store near you is on Amazon. That comes out, I think we've announced the date, have we? Yeah, Thanksgiving. Yeah, Thanksgiving Day. So when you got the cranberries going through your system, you can learn about five more toy stores. And I believe
Speaker: I believe that's all I can talk about. We got some pretty crazy stuff coming in 2023, but I can't talk about it just yet, unfortunately. But we've been real busy. We didn't even get into the Loesch series that you have coming out, because that is going to be wild. Talk about an unheralded genius of pop culture. That's going to be an exciting one, too. Just watched another cut of that this weekend.
Speaker: Can't wait to see that one. Well, Brian, thank you so much for joining us on the show. It's a pleasure having you, and let's definitely do this again sometime. Thank you for having me. Just like last time, a lot of fun. Dave, send us home. Bye, everyone.
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