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99 Problems and The Cap Is One
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Tristan and Miles talk about Super Bowl three-peat watch, how many spreadsheets are getting crunched in Renton right now, and introduce the new segment: Salary Cap School.
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Transcript
Impact of Weather on Football
00:00:00
Tristan Amundson
Miles, we start this sport in the summertime. It's August. It's hot all across the country. We got hot games. We got games where they have coolers on the sidelines keeping the players cold because it's too hot outside. Pittsburgh is too hot. Tampa Bay, it's too hot.
00:00:20
Tristan Amundson
Gotta to cool these guys down. And the beauty of this game, my friend, is we start in the summer and we end in the cold, harsh winter in Buffalo. We end in the harsh winter of Philadelphia. Watching those games yesterday, we are coming to everyone on Monday, the 20th, Martin Luther King Day. It is so fun watching the brutality of this sport through the weather. This sport is brutal when you play it at 100 degrees and it is brutal when you play it at 10 degrees. Or heck, we've seen Seahawks games at negative five degrees. Miles, how fun was it watching snowy games yesterday in the NFL playoffs?
00:01:12
M dub
Tristan, a pleasure to be with you. You couldn't have said it better. There's something so delightful. I was all snuggled up on my couch with a blanket. I'm watching the Rams play the Philadelphia Eagles. The snow has covered up all the yardage markers. And for some reason you couldn't see all the, all the little grids of little hashes. For some reason it really flipped the switch for me. And I was like, Oh,
00:01:37
M dub
It's just a big old field and guys are kind of shoving each other around. Something about being able to see the yard marks most of the time creates a bit of a sense of order, a grid to it. Once those got covered up by a couple inches of snow, you're like, oh, this is just a big old field. And there's 20 guys pushing and shoving out there. And I loved every minute of it.
00:01:56
Tristan Amundson
And because of the snow and the wind, it's funny that you say that because it kind of translates into the strategy of the game, right? Because you can't throw it as much potentially there's, it's going to be more variables because of the weather. And so it does turn into more of a shoving match out there, which maybe football becomes more of itself as you go along the year, you know, maybe summertime football is very different than wintertime football.
00:02:22
Tristan Amundson
And now we're in the winter football. all All the kids, you know, all the pretenders are at home. Everyone else, hey, you're not good enough. You have to stay home. Now the big boys are playing and ah they like playing in the snow.
00:02:35
M dub
Tristan, when it is snowing like that, it is also very hard to read a book when you're on the sidelines and waiting for your turn to come out on the field.
00:02:42
Tristan Amundson
Sure is.
00:02:43
M dub
that That's really actually the big difference between the snow game and the summer game.
00:02:49
Tristan Amundson
Yeah, I hope there wasn't any meltage of snow and ice that, you know, started hitting the ink on those pages and and blurring words.
00:02:56
M dub
Oh, gosh.
00:02:57
Tristan Amundson
That would be a shame.
Emotional Investment in Teams
00:03:00
M dub
Tristan, I have been on an emotional roller coaster watching these games. I did not realize, even though I didn't spend a ton of time watching them this regular season, I did not realize how emotionally invested I was in the Detroit Lions.
00:03:13
M dub
I really saw them as the good guys in the midst of a bracket full of villains.
00:03:16
Tristan Amundson
Yep.
00:03:19
M dub
I have been very frustrated by the Eagles. I do want to own, by the way. It's been months. I predicted that the Seahawks would have more wins than the Eagles. at one point in august vic fangio was the d c in miami last year it didn't go very well i thought it wouldn't go very well this year it's gone amazing vic fanio has been incredible not sure why the dolphins didn't win the super bowl last year so i missed on that prediction i do want to own that but it has been frustrating to see that the eagles don't really enjoy.
00:03:50
M dub
There's very few members of the Eagles who are enjoying being on this absolute juggernaut of a team. And something about that has really annoyed me. and that tip I'm not annoyed by the Eagles every year. I enjoyed their Super Bowl winning edition.
00:03:59
Tristan Amundson
Yep.
00:04:01
M dub
Something about this year has annoyed me so much. Didn't realize how invested I got in the Detroit Lions. I was pretty devastated to see them lose. Fair and square. Devastated to think about the criticism that'll come Dan Campbell's way We want to come up with a lot of reasons.
00:04:18
Tristan Amundson
100%.
00:04:19
M dub
It's simple. The the lines of the most injured playoff team of my lifetime.
00:04:23
Tristan Amundson
Yep.
00:04:23
M dub
it And the mind wants to come up with other reasons, and and still I'm trying to come up with other reasons, but I think that's the reality of it. so I'm all in on Washington now, definitely you know doing a little bandwagoning.
00:04:36
M dub
We got Seahawks East over there. But that was my most emotional moment of the weekend, seeing seeing those slow motion grimaces from Dan Campbell on the sidelines as we cut to commercial, as that game slowly melted away.
00:04:50
M dub
Where have your emotions been the last few weekends as the big boys have played?
00:04:54
Tristan Amundson
Well, so. so Yeah, so two things. One, um I want to talk about Jared verse a little bit, watching the Eagles game, because Jared versus is now going to be, you know, intrinsically connected to the Seahawks, right?
00:05:02
M dub
Oh boy.
00:05:09
Tristan Amundson
Because he was just a couple of picks after Murphy. And and this is in no way being down a Byron Murphy. i I think he was a great pick. I think he's going to be a really good Seahawk. He could be a transcendently great Seahawk.
00:05:21
Tristan Amundson
We don't we, you know, we haven't his story is yet to be written. um But as a human it is difficult to watch jared verse performance such a high level so quickly a couple of picks after the seahawks with biran last year. um But it's funny that you bring up the commander's game because i was watching it at um my friend's house down here in southern california he's a big commander's fan he he's always been a washington fan.
00:05:49
M dub
Well.
00:05:50
Tristan Amundson
And um there's something really special about watching a playoff game with someone who's emotionally invested. Because if I watched that game at my house, I just would have watched a football game and it would have been great. It would have been an entertaining game to watch. It was a really good game. When you watch a game,
00:06:09
Tristan Amundson
with somebody who is invested, someone who they are bleeding for that team. yeah it It allows you to kind of jump on. you You mentioned the bandwagon. For one night, I was able to jump completely onto the bandwagon in the guise of, I'm here supporting my friend and being a good friend and enjoying football at its kind of most pure level with somebody. it's kind of You kind of have you're you kind of have um a peek into the purity of, yeah, so yeah like yeah I'm just a fan. like This doesn't have any fantasy implications. This doesn't have um anything else except I was a little boy a long time ago that was a Washington a washington fan. I'll just say a Washington fan, I guess.
00:06:56
Tristan Amundson
um and Actually, i I do have a thought on that. i I have have to be careful. Maybe I
Critique of Broadcast Graphics
00:07:05
Tristan Amundson
don't. This is a podcast. We can say whatever we want.
00:07:07
Tristan Amundson
um I have a thought on revisionist history that Fox did during that broadcast. I don't know if you noticed that, um which I think...
00:07:12
M dub
Wow. I don't think I know what you're talking. Yeah, I'm curious to know.
00:07:16
Tristan Amundson
I think it's actually, I would love to talk to Fox executives. I think it's actually very damaging to the fabric of society. What, what the Fox broadcast did.
00:07:24
M dub
Oh my goodness.
00:07:25
Tristan Amundson
Um, yeah. So we we can get into that a little bit, but all that to say before we do that, it was super fun just to watch the game with a friend who was completely invested. We were in his garage screaming, high fiving.
00:07:38
Tristan Amundson
He had to shut his garage door, I think, because he, he didn't want to like upset his neighbors because it we were hooting and hollering and For one night, I was a Washington Commandries fan and that was really, really fun.
00:07:51
M dub
You had command. Tristan, I i was um kind of maybe going turbo on the fast forward button through that particular game. I'm not sure what I saw revisionist history wise. What you thinking?
00:08:03
Tristan Amundson
so So this is what they did. they um they were showing the history of the Washington commanders, right? Which is a problem with their name change. And so they showed the last time these two teams played and they juxtaposed the new logo onto the Lions versus commanders. So instead of it saying um on the screen, like the old yeah ESPN broadcast of the game, or I guess probably would have been the old ABC broadcast of the game, they had like the old
00:08:34
Tristan Amundson
tv graphics right that they put up lions forty one redskins you know whatever but instead of it saying the redskins it said the commanders. And i i i sat there and it's like they they changed the graphic from the old broadcast to say commanders instead of redskins. Now now tell me push back if you disagree with me.
00:08:56
Tristan Amundson
But if you think about revisionist history, I think it's actually very dangerous, especially if you believe, and let's let me look at both sides of this coin, if you believe that the Redskins is a bad name, a name that, it shouldn't have been named that, that is disrespectful to Native Americans, to um to to to the tribes of the Americas, right? We should not, it's a dumb name, let's change the name. If that's your position, and I i think I agree with that position,
00:09:25
Tristan Amundson
I don't think it's helpful for us as a society to try to whitewash it and act like it never happened. I think it's actually way better to say, hey, look at this dumb thing we did. It was a dumb thing and and we should always be reminded of it. Now, I don't want to make a mountain out of a molehill.
00:09:42
Tristan Amundson
But the Germans do a great job of this in their society when it comes to remembering World War I and World War II and the Nazi regime. They own it. If you look at German history, they are constantly pointing back to it and saying, we did a really bad thing. We're not going to forget we did a really bad thing because it really happened in real life. I i would just argue there's a lack of care from the Fox broadcast.
00:10:08
Tristan Amundson
to um to act like they were never named the Redskins. Because you're talking about their history. We're talking about a game that happened 20 years ago. let's like I don't see the utility of acting like the past didn't happen. I think that's a a foolish, short-sighted Orwellian kind of way of dealing with the past. Push back if you think I'm off my rocker.
00:10:33
M dub
No, no, no
Uniforms and Team Spirit
00:10:34
M dub
pushback from me. here's Here's what else I would say though. Those commander's uniforms are are the very worst in the league by a long shot. It would, it feels hard to be, I am constantly thinking of ketchup and mustard.
00:10:47
M dub
It's what in inspires in my mind.
00:10:48
Tristan Amundson
Yep.
00:10:50
M dub
It's what the old uniforms inspired in my mind as well. Doesn't feel like you'd you'd feel juiced up and ready to go ah attack on the football field when yeah yeah it it looked It feels a little bit like a a promotion for a hot dog restaurant or something like that.
00:11:06
Tristan Amundson
It does a little bit. Is there a commander?
00:11:07
M dub
Yeah.
00:11:08
Tristan Amundson
Is there a ah mascot? And I'm asking this honestly, I don't think I've noticed it.
00:11:13
M dub
That's a great question.
00:11:14
Tristan Amundson
Is there like a dude in a, I don't know, some sort of a naval uniform running around a red, a red and orange naval uniform and he's the commander.
00:11:18
M dub
We do you know the Washington Nationals do have those gigantic tall presidents who race around.
00:11:28
Tristan Amundson
They do.
00:11:28
M dub
the field.
00:11:29
Tristan Amundson
Yeah.
00:11:29
M dub
I'm not sure what if they come over part time. The whole thing just, to come I mean, come on. Everything else is going so well. It's crazy how bad this uniform is, how bad the look is.
00:11:41
Tristan Amundson
Yeah.
00:11:41
M dub
It's crazy that the team was ever named that in the first place. It's what, what a wild, what a tough team to be.
00:11:46
Tristan Amundson
It is.
00:11:47
M dub
ah And I'm glad they have um in the sun right now.
00:11:48
Tristan Amundson
It is.
00:11:51
Tristan Amundson
Yeah, yeah no, it is. it's the And I mean, ah i'm I'm totally blanket on the old owner's name. Can you remember the owner of
00:11:59
M dub
Dan Snyder.
00:12:00
Tristan Amundson
Dan Snyder, he did such a terrible job for so long. It is nice to see this new ownership group. It does help having better leadership at the top of an organization. And it's clear they've done a massive turnaround culturally. And so they're certainly heading in the right direction. um I wish we could have done something better than the commanders. I don't know what the right name is. But I feel like and to your point, maybe we could have adapted the colors slightly so they had less of a ah mustard and ketchup hue to them. You know, like there's there's other shades of red and yellow that maybe we could have, I don't know, get get the right graphic designers involved and maybe get Christopher Nolan involved and really come up with a ah backstory. You know, I don't know.
00:12:48
M dub
um But Tristan, as you know, one of my favorite trivia facts in the world is that former Seahawks coach Ken Norton Jr. is the only man in the whole history of the NFL, the thousands of people involved in the game.
00:12:56
Tristan Amundson
Yep.
00:13:01
M dub
He is the only man to win three consecutive Super Bowls. He's with the Cowboys in 92 and 93. He moves over to the 49ers in 94. Those teams are winning the Super Bowl every year.
00:13:13
M dub
and lined up and I love the fact not because just because of the Seahawks connection obviously it's a great bonus I think I'd love it just as much just because there's the fact there's one man who's done it so I'm like an eagle eye on this fact so Tristan at the Chiefs win the Super Bowl we got about 20 guys on the Chiefs who are going to join Ken Norton and the fact is really going to change for the rest of my life
00:13:34
Tristan Amundson
It's crazy.
00:13:39
M dub
ah I'm kind of watching these games with this fact in mind. That's how much I love it. Now, if the Chiefs lose, there is one man in the NFL right now who could join Ken Norton Jr. in this club. I did the research. I found the man. And Ken Norton Jr. is the linebackers coach for the commanders. This man is in the same building as Ken Norton Jr. It couldn't be more random. It is Nick Allegretti.
00:14:09
M dub
7th round pick of the Chiefs in 2019.
00:14:12
Tristan Amundson
Oh, my.
00:14:12
M dub
A special teamsman the entire time he was there, all the way through last spring. Signs a free agent deal with the commanders. 3 year deal at starting guard.
00:14:23
M dub
Pretty good deal for the commanders. Seahawks could have used Nick Allegretti.
00:14:27
Tristan Amundson
You know what? We need a guard.
00:14:29
M dub
Allegretti plays 99% of the snaps this year.
00:14:33
Tristan Amundson
And.
00:14:33
M dub
He's in the starting lineup every time. So keep an eye out. I'm already, I'm already looking at Alec ready. Also another piece of history on the line. If the chiefs win, we could have the third player ever to win five Superbowls. We've got Tom Brady with seven and back in the nineties, we had Charles Haley Hall of Fame defensive lineman. He was hopping back and forth between the niners and the Cowboys. Somehow he missed the three Pete. He did collect five along the way.
00:15:01
M dub
between those two teams, and if the Chiefs win, he will be joined by Joe Tooney, another offensive lineman, a third round pick of the Patriots back in 2016.
00:15:08
Tristan Amundson
That's pretty cool.
00:15:12
M dub
Tooney's won two with the Pats. His rookie year was the Falcons Super Bowl win. Two with the Pats, two with the Chiefs. He could get number five and become just the third player in NFL history with five Super Bowl wins.
00:15:26
M dub
You know I'm locked in on these facts. I love a Super Bowl winning trivia fact.
00:15:30
Tristan Amundson
So are you, you're telling me that the, the offensive guard for the commanders he He already has three in the bank. Is that what you're telling me? He has,
Chiefs' Super Bowl Prospects
00:15:40
M dub
Alogrady's got two in the bank, but he's alive to get number three this year and become the second person to to three P.
00:15:42
Tristan Amundson
he's got two in the bank.
00:15:44
Tristan Amundson
He's in line to get number three. And it is now I feel real foolish, but I just want to confirm that I'm hearing you correctly. Ken Norton Jr. is a coach for the commanders this season.
00:15:56
Tristan Amundson
Is that correct?
00:15:58
M dub
Dan Quinn, Ken Norton, the last couple of years, was coaching the linebackers at UCLA. Dan Quinn gets the job in Washington, hits the Rolodex, calls up Bobby Wagner, calls up Ken Norton.
00:16:03
Tristan Amundson
Yeah.
00:16:08
Tristan Amundson
Why wouldn't you?
00:16:11
M dub
By the way, calls up Nick Bellore, who did lead the league in special team tackles this year, and says, come on over.
00:16:14
Tristan Amundson
Yeah.
00:16:19
M dub
We're going to have a new adventure. And by gosh, they're having an adventure over there.
00:16:22
Tristan Amundson
Okay.
00:16:25
Tristan Amundson
So now I have a real rooting interest in the commanders, because if if Kenny can get ah another Super Bowl ring as the linebackers coach there, that's pretty sweet. And then obviously, if Bobby can get a ring, another one, that would be pretty sweet. Bobby Wagner, two times Super Bowl winning linebacker.
00:16:43
Tristan Amundson
um And by the way, Bobby had a great stop. There was a little a little pass right. You know, um I think it was a third and maybe a third and three, third and four type situation. They dumped off a pass to the running back. And Bobby had a you shall not pass type of moment where he he met the guy right at the marker. And, you know, it would be became like fourth and one or something like that.
00:17:09
Tristan Amundson
um Bobby's look pretty good. I mean, listen, he's older. He, everything we've said about Bobby in the past is still true, but Bobby, you know, he's not going to make mistakes. Let's say that Bobby Wagner is going to be the perfect linebacker for what his body can do, um, from a speed perspective. And I gotta to say Bobby still looks pretty good. I mean, Bobby's out there, those arms, those are Bobby Wagner arms. He's, he's, he's looking the part.
00:17:36
M dub
He's getting it done. Tristan, let's move our attention away from these other doggone teams and to the the most important team, the Seattle Seahawks.
00:17:46
Tristan Amundson
The only team really.
00:17:47
M dub
Tristan, my goal of this offseason was to understand a little bit about the salary cap. And throughout this offseason, I wanted to bring a small segment each episode called salary cap school.
00:17:58
M dub
Tristan, I'm holding right now a small book. It's called A Fan's Guide to Understanding the NFL Salary Cap. It was written by a man named Bruce Irons. Bruce has done an incredible job. I do want to give a disclaimer from the start. ah You can read more of Bruce's writing at a website called PackersForTheWin dot.com. So we we have a double agent on our hands here. We got PackersForTheWin dot.com. Bruce has done an incredible job writing this book and This is why, i reading this book, i've understand I've understood why we don't understand the salary cap, which is it is a subject that deserves a 90-page
Understanding NFL Finances
00:18:38
M dub
book.
00:18:38
M dub
So it's a little too long for an article. That's a long article.
00:18:42
Tristan Amundson
Yep.
00:18:42
M dub
you know But a 90-page book, that's hardly anything. you know So I'm reading this book.
00:18:46
Tristan Amundson
Yeah. Perfect.
00:18:48
M dub
I'm about halfway through it. and Boy, am I enlightened. It's actually not that complicated. It's just complicated as a 90 page book and I want to share what I've learned with the listener ah because it really does change how you look how you look at the league and you feel enlightened. I feel enlightened. That's the only way to say it.
00:19:08
Tristan Amundson
you know, as you're getting into this, and I can't wait to to kind of get the breakdown of the cap and of this book. But what I just keep thinking is um the reading rainbow right now. This is, you know, so listen, folks.
00:19:22
Tristan Amundson
We're going to talk about this, but don't take my word for it. Like you can you can pick up this book yourself and and educate yourself as well. So ah yeah, I'm very, very excited.
00:19:33
Tristan Amundson
LeVar Burton, I believe, um was the host of the Reading Rainbow for many years. And yeah.
00:19:38
M dub
That's right. And I think he used this book on the show at one point, right? A fan's guide to understanding the it's in it's it's in a salary cap.
00:19:43
Tristan Amundson
I think he did. i Take a look. It's in a book. It's Reading Rainbow. So here we go. Yeah, I'm i'm excited.
00:19:49
M dub
Okay. So today, today, today in salary cap school, how to get to a cap hit. So we got this number of cap hit. How did I get there? And I do want to say before I get into it, that whoever invented these rules for the NFL, when the salary cap was kind of created,
00:20:08
M dub
I have no idea what they were thinking or what the motivation was. It has become complicated and it it's it's set up in this very tempting way to encourage teams to get themselves into a disaster situation. I don't know how it started off this way, but but this is how it is. um I'm like describing a rock formation. I don't know how this mountain and this gorge got here, but here's what we're looking at now. So here's the rule.
00:20:37
M dub
Every dollar that is paid to a player will count against the salary cap. There's no escaping it. yeah If the dollar is paid to the player, it will count against the salary cap. It doesn't necessarily happen in the same year. And the reason for that is there's there's two basic basic components to an NFL salary that are paid in different ways at different times. And this is how we kind of get off schedule.
00:21:06
M dub
The first type is the base salary. So that is the player's weekly game checks. So literally it is paid to them during the season, after each regular season game. And that's when the base salary comes out. And depending on the, how the contract is negotiated, this may be guaranteed and it may be not guaranteed, but that's the base salary, the weekly game checks. Here's where we get into trouble is the second part of the salary, which is the signing bonus.
00:21:36
M dub
So this is paid in the off season in the spring when all these things are happening. And that's just a huge lump sum coming to a player at that point in time. Here's what happens with the signing bonus. so So you sign a free agent, they get a signing bonus. They literally do get all that money at that time. The signing bonus can be distributed across multiple years of the salary cap, up to five years.
00:22:07
Tristan Amundson
And that gets real confusing. Yeah. Cause as, as the layman, right?
00:22:09
M dub
that gets real confusing so yeah
00:22:13
Tristan Amundson
Like if you hear signing bonus my entire life, you hear a signing bonus and you think, okay, that's happening in the beginning of this process. And so you would assume that that cap hit is happening all in the beginning, right?
00:22:26
Tristan Amundson
Hey, here's your signing bonus. Here's your money. You've given me the money, man. Like you got it counted against the cap, but I've been wrong this whole time about the signing bonus. It sounds like.
00:22:35
M dub
Yeah, so that money is paid to a player. So since the dollar is paid to the player, it does have to count against the salary cap. It can literally count against the cap up to five years after it's been paid.
00:22:45
Tristan Amundson
Well, yeah, well.
00:22:47
M dub
Another important rule with the signing bonus and how and distributed across multiple years is it has to be distributed equally. So you can't kind of massage that and unless you restructure, which is next time. But just when you sign a player, they have their signing bonus, it's spread over the life of the contract up to five years. It doesn't have to be five years. A lot of these contracts are shorter, but it has to be distributed equally year by year. So this is why a lot of times you do get a dead cap hit with a player who's been traded.
00:23:25
M dub
So if you trade a player in the middle of their contract, but you you signed them and you paid that signing bonus, you have that has to count against your cap at some time. So that's why teams are left with significant salary cap responsibilities even after a player is traded and and they haven't been cut. So here's the here's the example and with a a very relevant Seahawk. Not the most relevant Seahawk this year, but a relevant Seahawk is no offense.
00:23:54
Tristan Amundson
Yep.
00:23:54
M dub
So last year, Noah Fant was a free agent. He could have signed with any team in the league. So even though he'd been with the Seahawks before, it it was a fresh start. It was a totally clean contract. And the sides agreed to a two year, $21 million dollar contract.
00:24:09
Tristan Amundson
Okay.
00:24:11
M dub
A big part of that was a $9 million dollars signing bonus. So that's, I mean, it'd be kind of hard to stay that motivated as a football player. That might be why motivation kind of wanes as like a tough season goes on.
00:24:22
Tristan Amundson
Yeah.
00:24:24
M dub
You're getting such a huge percentage of your money. You know, that's nine. So no fan has paid $9 million dollars last March. He's earning $12 million dollars over the next two years, you know, like paid up.
00:24:36
Tristan Amundson
Yep.
00:24:37
M dub
So, um, so because it's a $9 million dollars signing bonus on a two year deal, that that So the the cap hit of the signing bonus is spread out 4.5 last year, 4.5 next year.
00:24:53
M dub
So no offense based salary, his weekly game checks for next year are not guaranteed.
00:25:00
Tristan Amundson
Got it.
00:25:01
M dub
But no matter what, because that signing bonus has already been paid to him, that $9 million dollars signing bonus, his minimum cap hit for next year for the Seahawks is $4.5 million.
00:25:17
Tristan Amundson
Got it.
00:25:17
M dub
There is no escaping getting around that.
00:25:17
Tristan Amundson
That makes sense.
00:25:19
M dub
Now, the way they also structured this contract was a fan's base salary for last year, his weekly game check was $2.4 million. dollars So he's really actually getting very small a relatively small check week week on week.
00:25:37
Tristan Amundson
Yeah.
00:25:38
M dub
For 2025, which is not guaranteed, it is $8.4 million. So if no fan is on the team, that 8.4 million base salary and his 4.5 million chunk of the signing bonus will both count against the cap.
00:25:55
Tristan Amundson
Yep.
00:25:57
M dub
If he is off the team, the team is not paying him the base salary, but the $4.5 million dollars part of the signing bonus is on the cap no matter what. So it's a pretty big savings.
00:26:09
Tristan Amundson
Yeah.
00:26:09
M dub
right You're saving 8 million against the cap, but that that would be because you're you're also losing a really good player, which which would be really sad. So as the Seahawks look at their situation coming up, unfortunately, I do think Fant will be cut. And that I think the Seahawks are going to be just like last offseason, they're going to be forced to cut some some really good players. ah If Fant is cut, it's not for on-field reasons.
00:26:35
Tristan Amundson
Yeah, a great player.
00:26:35
M dub
But he he actually represents one of the biggest um one of the biggest savings opportunities. And this as we'll talk about, the Seahawks are a little squeezed with with how it works financially. But that is how a cap hit is calculated. That's why you have dead cap hits left over for players who are no longer on the team. it is It is that lingering signing bonus that just, it can really hang with you.
00:27:02
M dub
And this is a two year deal, you know, like with with quarterbacks and the longer deals, it gets, it can get really messy, but just that's how a cap hit is calculated.
00:27:05
Tristan Amundson
um Only two years, yeah.
00:27:12
M dub
Not that bad, right?
00:27:12
Tristan Amundson
yeah Not that, no, it's it's nice to to differentiate the signing bonus versus the base salary. That makes a ton of sense. I can put that in my mind real easily. So you're always on the hook for that signing bonus money.
00:27:25
Tristan Amundson
So that that makes a ton of sense. um May I ask you a question you might not know the answer to? So this is a bit of a dangerous,
00:27:32
M dub
This is live. This is live.
00:27:33
Tristan Amundson
live radio here, folks. um But i I think this is the case.
00:27:36
M dub
We're ready.
00:27:39
Tristan Amundson
So you're talking about, being you can defer this money, right? You can just and kind of keep putting on the credit card, spread out that that um that those bonuses you know throughout a contract.
00:27:50
Tristan Amundson
I got that. Is it also true? Let's say if I had a real saver at GM, right? Someone who just really wants to save their pennies. And and let me look at it just to kind of do,
00:28:02
M dub
Which is not the case for the Seahawks right now, by the way.
00:28:04
Tristan Amundson
which is not the case for the Seahawks. So the inverse of this is the 2025 salary cap, the maximum you can spend is $275 million. dollars if If a team, now tell me if i if you've read this yet or if this is correct. Let's say if that if a team this next year, let's say they were at ah at a zero cap hit you know from a dead money perspective and they spend $270 instead. So instead of spending 275, they spend 270 million.
00:28:40
Tristan Amundson
so So what I'm saying is they have 5 million bucks they're not spending. Does that extra money go to the next year? In other words, let's say the salary cap is flat from one year to another. Would that team's salary cap actually be 280 next year? Because hey, we saved 5 million. we We spent less than we needed to in 2025. So now we actually have a greater a greater amount of money to spend in 2026.
00:29:08
Tristan Amundson
I feel like i I read that somewhere years ago. Is that, do you know if that's how that works?
00:29:14
M dub
That is correct. Thank you, Bruce Irons. He has equipped me to answer this question. That is correct. A team is mandated to pay at least 90% of the league's salary cap, so you cannot be saving a ton of money.
00:29:25
Tristan Amundson
of the Got it.
00:29:29
M dub
Believe it or not, the Seahawks are in a situation where they were eight. It's called the rollover cap.
00:29:36
Tristan Amundson
ah Got it. Yes. Yeah.
00:29:37
M dub
So you use the hypothetical number of $5 million. dollars The Seahawks real life number from last year to next year is $8.4 million. dollars So the the salary cap for the NFL in 2025 is $275 million.
00:29:52
M dub
dollars The Seahawks have an additional 8.4 to spend. So their personal salary cap is $283.4 million. dollars And Tristan, i I regret to inform you that even with that little helpful boost, which is a helpful boost, a lot of moves are going to have to be made because
00:30:01
Tristan Amundson
Oh interesting.
00:30:07
Tristan Amundson
Yeah.
00:30:13
M dub
The Seahawks are currently $28.5 million dollars over their already adjusted cap. And that is with a draft class to be signed. That is with 16 impending free agents. And and and then you know any other free agent from another team. So ah things are squeezed right now. Now, there was a pretty similar situation last year.
00:30:40
M dub
and ah that John Schneider managed to get a competitive roster put together. What I don't know is how to evaluate the amount, the danger level but between the but Seahawks at this time last year and the Seahawks right now.
00:30:54
Tristan Amundson
Yeah.
00:30:54
M dub
um But, you know, the Seahawks did cut good players last year who did sign real contracts with real other NFL teams. And the same thing is going to happen again this year.
00:31:06
M dub
I think it might have to get more dramatic and There is a lot to be done. I really don't know how this offseason is going to go. It's how I'm looking at the offseason. It feels very mysterious to me.
00:31:18
M dub
A lot of dramatic moves are going to have to be made. And I'm very curious if when the dust settles in in you know after the draft in early May, if we see a playoff caliber roster, it might not be possible at this point.
00:31:31
Tristan Amundson
Yeah, I mean, it's interesting. And so you know we've talked about this ah big picture a little bit, um how other teams have done it, right? So but we were talking before we started recording today. um To me, the best example of of turning around a program really fast was the Rams. They were, I remember a couple of years ago,
00:31:55
Tristan Amundson
just woefully over the salary cap, and they had to cut really good players. They they were in a real pickle um from a money perspective, and now you look at what they've done. Now, obviously, the way they did it, and this is very hard to replicate, although John has done it a couple of times before, and that is through an unbelievable draft class, right? You have to get such good young players that are cheap, that are coming in on the you know the the beginning of their careers that they are able to um raise the level of competition on your team, and you're good to go. That's not easy. Brandon Fisk, Jared Vers, and many others on that defensive line and def defense in general, the Rams killed it. I mean, they absolutely killed it and were able to basically use that to pay for their their debt, pay for their sins, so to speak, with with these new young players.
00:32:48
Tristan Amundson
um But it is at least encouraging to know it can be done, right? And it can even be done in in the division. We have an example. I think Les needs pretty good at it good at his job. um And he was able to um pivot from a very, um, a very bloated salary cap perspective and and get themselves, you know, back in a good spot. Um, the other one that we have to be encouraged by is the Broncos, the Broncos. I mean, they, as, as it sits are sitting on the largest dead money cap hit in NFL history with our good friend, Russell Wilson. And they were able to,
00:33:28
Tristan Amundson
I mean, again, through the draft, right? You got to get the right guy, a guy that we weren't sure if this was going to be the right quarterback, but man, they freaking nailed it. And now they're, they're back in business, right? Even though what $50 million, dollars they are not able to spend on real life players. They are spending it on the ghost of Russell Wilson. Um, and yet, you know, they survived it. So there are good examples of, um,
00:33:55
Tristan Amundson
of being able to overcome these cap hits, but it's certainly you're fighting with one arm tied behind your back, it seems like.
00:34:02
M dub
ah you know As I was reading this book by Bruce Irons, I was thinking of ah more so the Broncos, but the Broncos and the Rams are both great examples. It made me wonder how important being responsible and methodical and kind of boring with the salary cap, how how important that actually is because ah yeah, there are positive examples. There there were competitive playoff teams.
00:34:30
M dub
out on the field this year when you would when you would say these are really these are really like irresponsibly managed salary cap situations and it didn't quite seem to matter.
00:34:42
M dub
ah Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:44
Tristan Amundson
Yeah, it's it's and yeah, it does seem like you probably have to have most of these teams had one year where they really had to take their medicine and they really just, okay, you know, this isn't going to be the best team we've ever had, but we're just going to flush a lot of these bad contracts out.
00:34:45
M dub
um yeah
00:35:01
Tristan Amundson
I mean, as you look at the roster, what's your crystal ball say? Well, how do you, how do you look at it? I, I have been, let let me throw out a thought to you.
00:35:13
Tristan Amundson
and We were texting about this the other day and I really I think I do believe this from a from a buy buying low and selling high perspective. I think DK Metcalf is a ah prime example of a ah player, a very good player that we have.
00:35:30
Tristan Amundson
um That's a good stock. DK Metcalfe is a stock you want to own. that that There is value in that stock. If you sell the DK Metcalfe stock that you have in your portfolio today, you're going to get a nice return. You you might even get a first round pick for DK. I've i've heard reputable um NFL guys say that DK is potentially worth um a first round pick, specifically because um this draft class is so poor and so weak at wide receivers. So DK's value, pretty high, pretty interesting. At the at the very least, you're getting a second round pick for him. Obviously, if you trade him depending on how you structure that, at least some of that dead money is going to go to the other team, if not all of it. Again,
00:36:15
Tristan Amundson
I think that depends on how good of a pick you want for him, i.e. Leonard Williams. I'm looking at him right now. When the Seahawks traded for Leonard, um a lot of that was that the Giants had to keep that that dead cap money. So that in 2023, the Giants paid Leonard Williams 26 million or or were on the hook for that from a dead cap perspective. So you can play with these numbers, and depending on how you play with them, you're going to have to give up more or less of a um ah a salary cap hit on it.
00:36:46
Tristan Amundson
I think what's interesting though about that is if you were to do that even with DK and you get a, ah ah ah for say a first round pick for him, even if you end up taking a lot of that dead cap money, you're replacing DK with a first round pick, which is kind of interesting. and Tell me if you agree with this thesis. To me, the two most important contracts you can get or you can sign with an NFL player is his rookie contract and his second contract.
00:37:15
Tristan Amundson
Every contract after that, it gets it gets a little dicey. But if you want to talk about prime real estate in an NFL player's life cycle, it's rookie contract and second contract. Those are the two most valuable, best contracts you can have. After that, you're paying more potentially to get less. do you do you Does that, again, are they the are are they the are these the ravings of a madman? Like what what do you think of that thought?
00:37:43
M dub
No, they're they're definitely not. I think what's confounding about the Seahawks situation right now is they have succeeded in getting a very successful, relatively low cost quarterback.
00:37:57
Tristan Amundson
Yep.
00:37:57
M dub
And the draft classes of the last several years have been outstanding. They really have been. ah you but ah You know, Devin Witherspoon, ah There's more people, Byron Murphy, Jackson Smith and Jigba, the two running backs.
00:38:12
M dub
Like there's a lot of contributors in the last three years of the draft who are still in that first contract area.
00:38:20
Tristan Amundson
Yep.
00:38:20
M dub
And that is what is very confusing about the Seahawks right now. Cause he would say, Hey, those are the most two important things you could do. um So I think there's just been a little too much money floated out to veterans and, um,
00:38:35
Tristan Amundson
yeah
00:38:37
M dub
And those contracts are structured in a way where ah the bills are all going to become due now. So in in the case of DK Metcalfe, and I didn't even notice this when it happened last year, but in the beginning of September, the team at DK agreed to a contract restructuring that basically cleared out some salary. They more money is going to be due in the future towards DK whether or not he's on the team because the team ah paid more paid more money you know money went out the door to DK's bank account so that the team is ah responsible for it one year or another
00:39:02
Tristan Amundson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:18
M dub
So yeah, I really, it it is a it is a very mysterious off season to me for sure. What I was thinking is the the top five Seahawks with at this moment, the largest cap hits for 2025.
00:39:35
M dub
I think you could really only feel guaranteed that one of them is on the team next year. So the top five in order are Geno Smith, DK Metcalf, Tyler Lockett, Leonard Williams, and Draymont Jones.
00:39:41
Tristan Amundson
Oh, interesting.
00:39:46
Tristan Amundson
Yep.
00:39:48
M dub
Now, there is some conversation about moving on from Geno. And that I think the tragedy if this happens is it it would be completely for financial reasons. um the The contract numbers are are getting crazy.
00:40:00
M dub
I don't love the idea because it's you you do need a se another you do need a starter for 2025.
00:40:04
Tristan Amundson
Yep.
00:40:07
M dub
And if it's not Geno, it's not very obvious who that is. So Geno's his own case, but Leonard Williams really feels like the only player who you feel is like you You know, he's going to be a Seahawks in 2025. And that's just crazy. your Your top five, your top five paid players, the players you'd expect to get the most out of. Um, there's not the top five most productive Seahawks of last year. Uh, but, uh, some of them were, some of them weren't. And, uh, yeah, I don't know how this is going to go really, but yeah, yeah.
00:40:42
Tristan Amundson
it's It's tough, man. The Gino conversation is is so nuanced. You're totally right in that you want to keep him. He's a great player. He's a good quarterback.
Future of Tyler Lockett with Seahawks
00:40:54
Tristan Amundson
um He is getting older, but I think there's still a couple of good years left in in Gino as an NFL player. And he certainly, at the very least, is this... I heard this analogy a few weeks ago, and I really like it. He is this...
00:41:12
Tristan Amundson
team's version of Matt Hasselback when Pete Carroll first came on on board as the Seahawks head coach. And and in the Matt Hasselback I'm specifically talking about is the Matt Hasselback who was on the field During a playoff game versus New Orleans for the most important Seahawks moment of all time in my mind, I think in everyone's mind, the vaunted beast quake. Matt Hasselback can't, I mean the handoff that Matt did. We should have Matt on the podcast. We can talk an hour just on that handoff because really,
00:41:45
Tristan Amundson
Listen, you you can't argue this. The beast quake doesn't happen unless Matt Hasselback hands off that ball as well as he does. So really Matt can probably take, I mean, he can take a lot of credit.
00:41:53
M dub
It's so true.
00:41:56
Tristan Amundson
He actually he had a great block on that too, as we all remember. Um, but it it does feel like Gino is this team's version of that Matt Hasselback. He's almost the same age on that side of their career.
00:42:09
Tristan Amundson
there is going to have to be a transition here no matter what. It would be really cool to keep Geno for one more year if possible. um yeah You know, obviously on this list, you you went through it, right? Geno yeah There's a trade opportunity, I'm sure. We probably wouldn't get as much as we should for him, but there's a trade opportunity there. DK, certainly you could trade DK. 28 years old. Still, I mean, yeah probably the greatest body in the NFL. Tyler Lockett, I mean, that's the one. I didn't even want to bring it up to you because
00:42:43
Tristan Amundson
I mean, you and I both love Tyler Lockett. he's He might be you know the the best dude on the team, but clearly it's it's time to to cut Tyler, right? What's what's the implications of of moving on from from our friend, Mr. Lockett?
00:42:59
M dub
Well, so okay hu there could be up to about $17 million dollars in cap savings if you move on from Chilo Locket. But what Mr. Bruce Irons has shown me in this book is that cap savings it It feels like the general manager is doing something great, but when you're using that phrase, it's actually usually a sign that something has gone wrong because what we're looking at, if Tyler is just on the team, the contract isn't touched, the cap hit is $30.8 million.
00:43:28
Tristan Amundson
Yup.
00:43:30
M dub
dollars So the savings, the the dead cap hit is $13.8 million.
00:43:31
Tristan Amundson
Whoo.
00:43:38
M dub
dollars so So that's where you're about $17 million dollars of savings comes in, but that does mean you're walking around next year with, 13.8 million in dead cap hit. ah Yeah.
00:43:49
Tristan Amundson
That's a lot of money.
00:43:50
M dub
yeah
00:43:50
Tristan Amundson
yeah Yeah, a lot of money. You can't pay somebody else, which is really interesting. um Do you think there's any, let's let's throw the cap out for a second. Do you think as a player, there's any room for Tyler on this team next year? Do you like just what your eyes saw last year? Could Tyler be your number four wide receiver, the Wiley veteran who is just, he's there for a lot of reasons. He's there not because he's gonna be your number three wide receiver anymore. Like that that ship has clearly passed, but he's going to be a mentor. He's gonna be still a good player.
00:44:25
Tristan Amundson
you know, in in kind of the pantheon of of your best to your worst wide receivers, he he's going to be lower on the depth chart, but maybe still valuable. Is there a universe where we could talk ourselves into keeping Tyler Lockett miles?
00:44:41
M dub
Sorry to be so addicted to the doggone salary cap here. I do think like personally with with how unselfish Tyler is, there is absolutely that potential. But I do think the the way that the numbers are that Lockett and the team are kind of painted into a corner here. And I will say the last couple of weeks of the regular season, you did see Tyler acting like he knew it was his last games with the Seahawks, which is which is pretty rare.
00:45:11
Tristan Amundson
it felt like it yeah
00:45:13
M dub
There was definitely that feeling of an amicable divorce that they knew was coming in the offseason. It made me feel like Schneider and Lockett and his representation had had conversations about what was coming.
00:45:27
M dub
They already have a move planned that we're going to learn about in the next few months. And yeah, I mean, that's that's the kind of
00:45:35
Tristan Amundson
It felt like it.
00:45:37
M dub
it it does It does feel like the that the Seahawks have made a lot of moves to get a little better over the last two or three years.
00:45:48
M dub
And all all of those bills are kind of coming due now.
00:45:52
Tristan Amundson
Yeah.
00:45:52
M dub
It made me think a lot about the Packers. I did talk a lot about how the pack, I know the Packers are winning the Super Bowl. They got eliminated in the first round, but Uh, after that game, I discussed how the team had 14 more draft picks in the Seahawks over the, over the previous four draft classes.
00:46:07
M dub
So 14 more potential players under rookie contracts. And, uh, that's learning more about the salary cap. I really do have such a strong desire for that, that type of boring movement, uh, through, through the NFL landscape.
00:46:23
M dub
And, uh, yeah. Yeah.
00:46:27
Tristan Amundson
So so let let me ask you this from, because you bring up the picks, which I think is is prescient right now. did would you Could you make an argument?
00:46:39
Tristan Amundson
Miles, you're going to have to take your go there's medicine you're gonna have to take. It's bitter medicine. Mom's gonna put it on the teaspoon. She's gonna give it to ya. You don't wanna eat it, right? But you are going to have to take your medicine. Could you make the argument with the predicament that we're gonna be in in 2025, that maybe 2025 is the year just to take the medicine, meaning if you were going to move on from Gino, right? So like, basically, ah basically if I'm gonna say, this is not gonna be an unbelievable team in 2025. Even if you keep Gino, there's gonna be some holes on this roster. It's not gonna be everything you want just by way of money. where There's not enough money to pay great players.
00:47:27
Tristan Amundson
what could I make an argument, 2025 is the year, trade Gino, not because he's not a good player, but because, hey, I can still get something for him. I'm also gonna trade DK away. Our team is gonna be worse because of it. We are gonna take a step back.
00:47:47
Tristan Amundson
But we're already taking the medicine in 2025. So let's really take the medicine and with it get more draft picks and just kind of, hey, we have to have a pivot year. Let's make 2025 the pivot year. We're going to take all the medicine in the world. We're going to get as many draft picks as possible. And this is going to be a youth movement year while we take the medicine. We're going to have young guys on young small contracts.
00:48:12
Tristan Amundson
and there's going to be a lot of dead cap hit, but we're going to get it over with and we're going to feel w
00:48:22
M dub
That is such a good question but and I've talked pretty pessimistically about the Seahawks cap situation so far. I think that's why I'm so intrigued about the next eight weeks because I could see that happening. It also could feel like that's not the right call to make and that this team is is still still still should be acting like a team that that can and should get into the playoffs as they did last offseason.
00:48:52
M dub
It's a very, we will know by mid-March, I think, ah whether the Seahawks have made that decision. i think I think it's such a good question because I do think that is the question that they have to be asking and evaluating and really thinking about in the in these times. ah It's a pretty big decision to make. and And I think, yeah, we're not hearing anything from the team right now. i mean That's why this is a 12 month a year job.
00:49:23
M dub
You know, this is January and the team, they're still hiring an offensive coordinator and really they have to be thinking, you know, from ownership to the front office, to the coaching staff.
00:49:24
Tristan Amundson
Yeah.
00:49:33
M dub
There's a lot of, there's a very tricky philosophical decision that has to be made. So I don't think it's the worst idea to have ah a medicine eating year in 2025, but I don't, I think it's far from a guarantee that the team will, will end up doing that.
00:49:50
Tristan Amundson
Yeah, no, it's it and it's a tough thing. It makes you wonder from McDonald's perspective, right? Like as he's coming into the team last year. does Does he have the ability while he's doing those interviews to really take a look at the roster and be like, okay, like I got kind of one year here in 2024 where there's, you know, kind of some interesting things. 2025 is going to you know potentially be a massive step back, but hey, I know that going into it. 2026 is our year. Obviously a coach wants to win every game and ah ah for sure he's going to be driving towards that, but
00:50:28
Tristan Amundson
You do have to say if the Rams are any model for how to do this, the the Rams have successfully gotten through their woes by doubling down on the draft and by taking their medicine where they needed to take it. And and now they're in a pretty healthy spot as far as I can see.
00:50:45
Tristan Amundson
um Yeah, I guess the big thing is going to be, and we haven't even talked about the June 1 thing, but do you do the June 1 cuts or the, you know, the true March cuts? Because my understanding is, if you cut a guy with that June 1 designation, then that, that hit gets spread even more, right? Then it gets spread for another year. So you can, there's like, ah there's an extra credit card that we have in our back pocket that we could, we could put it We could put it even farther out into the future or you could just kind of guy legitimately and just, again, take your medicine now.
00:51:19
M dub
Yes, if we're talking about June 1st a lot over the next couple of months, that's a sign the Seahawks are not trying to take all the medicine in 2025.
00:51:28
Tristan Amundson
Yeah.
00:51:29
M dub
That's a medicine avoiding, that's that's when a GM is moving there their mouth away from that teaspoon and really trying to get just a few drops of it instead of just letting the whole, gulping down the whole thing.
00:51:42
Tristan Amundson
Yeah, be the capologist. Is that the the term or or the the title in these NFL teams? Being that individual would be fascinating. I mean, you you would have so many different models for different scenarios. Okay, if we do this, this will happen. If we do this, this will happen. I can't imagine the the excel spreadsheets that that these people these men and women have in front of them that they're constantly just just manipulating and i mean i i imagine excel spreadsheet with like fifty different tabs of like yours. Here's like all of our different versions of the future that we could be going into you know you're kinda trying to look into the future of those people.
00:52:24
M dub
Yeah, yeah. And ah though there I think those men and women are are working overtime in renting these days.
00:52:31
Tristan Amundson
It's crazy. Well, this is a this was fun, man. It was fun to to dig into the salary cap. I feel like I learned something. and I feel like I know more about it than than I did before. So so thank you for the for the education. And now I don't have to read a book. So that I mean, you know that's always a nice thing.
00:52:48
M dub
Yeah, the picture the picture is becoming clearer. And i think I think whatever transaction happens out of the Seahawks before free agency in mid-March, it's going to be really interesting. It's going to say a lot of what the what the hopes are for 2025 and beyond. But that's my thing for the offseason. I really sometimes, a lot of times, I think, actually, you enter an offseason and you have a really firm idea what would be productive or not productive for a team to do.
00:53:16
M dub
and i that's I really see a foggy road right now, which is an odd situation.
00:53:22
Tristan Amundson
Yeah, interesting. It is an odd situation and, well, I mean, I suppose in some ways the Seahawks have had a bit of a foggy road here for the last few years. um But yeah, hopefully I...
00:53:37
Tristan Amundson
Do you, I, we should wrap up this show. Do you have a preference? do Do you want them to take the medicine or do you want them to spread that medicine out? Do you have a, do you have a gut, a gut preference?
00:53:45
M dub
Oh man.
00:53:47
Tristan Amundson
I, I can tell you my gut preference because it's just, it's very intuitive to like the way I spend money personally, which is yep. We made a mistake. Let's just own it. Let's fix it now. And just for me, I'm a medicine guy. Like let's get it over with so that the future can be better. What's your, do you have a, um, a preference between those two paths?
00:54:11
M dub
Oh man, that is such a great question. um Gosh, I really don't know. i guess I guess what I want to see in the future, what's important to me is draft picks and not...
00:54:24
Tristan Amundson
Yeah.
00:54:24
M dub
and and not I think i think it's it's pretty tough when you rely on key
00:54:25
Tristan Amundson
Yeah.
00:54:33
M dub
when you're bringing in free agents and hoping them to be the foundation of the team. And I'm thinking of Draymont Jones and Nuchena Nuosu, who are both outstanding players, their fifth and sixth in cap hit on the team right now. it i don't I don't know how to build a winner. and That's what's so funny. I learned more about the salary cap, but I know less and less about how to build an actual winning team after all this. But I do think there has been the attitude of,
00:55:00
M dub
Yeah, I'll spend a fourth round pick on Ernest Jones. let's Spend a second round pick on this. And I think i think all those bills are are coming due now.
00:55:10
Tristan Amundson
It makes me um opine a little bit. Jerry de Poto would be a great general manager in the NFL. If, I mean, like he'd be the ultimate general manager in the NFL.
00:55:17
M dub
well
00:55:21
Tristan Amundson
Just, just draft and develop, draft and develop trade, draft and develop.
00:55:26
M dub
Yeah, I can think of a few general managers ah who have have gone to the playoffs more, but across the sporting landscape, but yeah.
00:55:35
Tristan Amundson
I know. Yeah. it's Just the fact that he's not a free agency guy, I think is probably the way you win in the NFL. But um listen, no matter what the future of the Seahawks is, if it's cloudy or if it's sunny, I only have one thing to say to you, Miles.
00:55:53
M dub
You do?
00:55:54
Tristan Amundson
Only one.
00:55:55
M dub
What's, what's that?
00:55:57
Tristan Amundson
Go Hawks.
00:55:58
M dub
Go Hawks.