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Festival of Fullbacks
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Tristan and Miles talk about how the sky is (probably) not falling, the handful of snaps that decided the game, and if it’s nice to get spoiled.
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Transcript
Historical and Modern Spoilage
00:00:00
Tristan Amundson
Miles, history, heck, antiquity, is full of examples of us humans becoming spoiled.
00:00:12
Tristan Amundson
We can go back as far as you want. We can look at King Solomon, vanity of vanities, a man who famously spoiled himself. You want to come a little closer into the future? Well, we can fast forward 3,000 some odd years and look at Marie Antoinette.
00:00:28
Tristan Amundson
one of the most famously spoiled queens of all time. We could look at the Romanov children in the Russian Empire living their ivory tower of sorts. But maybe that's a little too ethereal. Maybe that's a little too far out there.
00:00:45
Tristan Amundson
We could look at Paris Hilton telling people, quote, don't be poor. Or if we need to make it a sports analogy, we could take it all the way to our good friend,
00:00:56
Tristan Amundson
Johnny Manziel, a.k.a. Johnny Football, coming from a wealthy Texas oil family to football royalty. There are examples, Miles, of how easily we can get spoiled rotten.
Seahawks' Success and Spoilage
00:01:13
Tristan Amundson
So here's my question to you. we start We start out last year three and o Did we get a little spoiled in the Mike McDonald era starting out so well, so easily?
00:01:28
Tristan Amundson
Are we a little spoiled miles at this point?
00:01:31
M dub
Tristan, it's great to be with you. It's great to have football back. It can be a little hard to remember, but it was such a pleasure just to get this game started, see regular season football.
00:01:43
M dub
It looked like a completely different species of game than what we were watching in the preseason. I think we've we have been spoiled, not just by the 3-0 start last year, but the Pete Carroll era.
00:01:55
M dub
ah A winning season in Seahawks land is it's can be dismissed awfully quickly. There's a lot of teams that would love to do it. It is true that it's been a long time since the scene team has been in contention for the Super Bowl.
00:02:08
M dub
I think that's still true this year. But yes, we can be spoiled. At
Analysis of Seahawks vs. 49ers Game
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M dub
the end of the day, Seahawks lose this game 17-13 to thirteen the San Francisco 49ers. I don't think you'll see a power rankings across the internet this week that has the Seahawks above 21st, 22nd, 23rd.
00:02:26
M dub
The reality is there were things that went wrong. The reality is this was a game against the division rival with a lot of continuity that the Seahawks lost by four or five snaps, all of which could have gone a better direction for the Seahawks.
00:02:40
M dub
But, ah yeah, yeah. like It, it, it, it's a It's nice to be spoiled in some ways. you know we We look forward to that winning year every year. But ah yeah, i I think we both are coming into this podcast. We've had a lot of days to to sit on this one.
00:02:56
M dub
ah We are not feeling like the sky is falling here, even though it was a game that slipped away in the end.
00:03:02
Tristan Amundson
No, I listen, I totally agree. I, but and you know, texting friends and and and just watching the game with my own eyes. I was very encouraged, frankly, watching where this game is and the way that I look at it. And I'm i'm curious if you agree with this or not.
00:03:21
Tristan Amundson
I look at teams from a standpoint of, are we on schedule? Are we where we should be in this moment in time? Year two of Mike McDonald, um new offensive coordinator,
00:03:34
Tristan Amundson
ah um a defense that seems to be really on the upswing week one. Are we on schedule? I walked away from that game disappointed. I would have loved to win. We were very close to a win on that.
00:03:48
Tristan Amundson
But I didn't feel as though it looked broken. I didn't feel as though it looked off schedule. I didn't feel as though the sky was falling. it it was just the fact that we lost a game. We lost a game to ah a pretty good team. I don't think we lost a game to the old 49ers.
00:04:04
Tristan Amundson
That team didn't look like world beaters like they have in the past. Does that mean that maybe we're a little better? I think so. Does that mean that the 49ers aren't quite what they used to be? i i think that's really true as well.
00:04:17
Tristan Amundson
um But yeah, I looked at it very much as um as a harbinger of good things because they seem to be on schedule to me.
00:04:27
M dub
They did seem to be on schedule, and I'm sure we're going to get into the four or five crucial snaps, and wherever you would look at them, I think we all know them in the game, and they definitely all went the 49ers way, and I do think this game did reveal some red flags game.
00:04:35
Tristan Amundson
Yes.
00:04:42
M dub
Uh, if the season goes poorly, i think, I think we saw the reasons why in this game. And if the season goes well, I think we, we saw the reasons why in this game as well. Uh,
00:04:54
M dub
Yeah, it it was really close. It was really close. I thought it was funny, you know, the Seahawks get roasted kind of across the but NFL conversation ah this week for, you know, 13 points of offense across the entire game.
00:05:07
M dub
And although the Rams did win their game, you know, they get 14 points of offense. Niners get 17 points of offense. That's pretty darn close. You know, it's it's not like they're like a mile ahead of where the Seahawks are right now. It's It's a, it's, it is funny how things get perceived.
00:05:25
Tristan Amundson
For sure. No, this this was a game to me, if if we want to look at maybe some of those big swing plays and and just in general what we saw, this was a game of a very small margin.
00:05:38
Tristan Amundson
And the margin for victory, frankly, for our game, for the Rams game as well, they were all small margin games. they They were all, you know, one or two plays here or there makes all the difference. And and certainly we saw I mean, should we should we get into it? Should we get into some of these small margin plays? I hate to do it because...
00:05:59
Tristan Amundson
Listen, one man does not lose a football game for you. It's just it's asinine to say that this is a 22 man sport, right? um This is a sport that that comes in with a ton of preparation.
00:06:14
Tristan Amundson
um Can you even guess that I'm going to put you on the spot? And I don't know the answer to this. How many coaches do you think an NFL team has roughly sitting there on the sidelines during a game? And my point of asking is,
00:06:25
Tristan Amundson
There's a lot of hands in the pot that is putting this
Key Player Performances
00:06:28
Tristan Amundson
together. So so to say one guy spoils a game is not true. Obviously, Rick Wallen did have a rough game. I mean, he had and two specific plays that were were pretty rough to see because we've seen him make them the right way. And so it's even more heartbreaking that um that fade route, that that deep pass um that he misjudged.
00:06:53
Tristan Amundson
You see, I mean, it literally was just he looked up and for whatever reason, the computer in his brain said, oh, this is going to be a little short. And then he realized it wasn't and he couldn't make up the time for it.
00:07:04
Tristan Amundson
yeah I would argue eight maybe nine out of 10 times. He he plays that ball perfectly in the air and he uses his elite speed to do it.
00:07:11
M dub
you
00:07:12
Tristan Amundson
Yeah. But yeah, the the margin for error on these plays. I mean, when you watch that touchdown pass that he gives up, him and Witherspoon is right there too.
00:07:23
Tristan Amundson
and And you see the pressure on um on Purdy as the field is shrinking. He's running towards the sideline like you know it can only go to one spot. I don't know if there is anyone when that ball was released that thought that was going to be a touchdown. Like I instantly was like, well, this, this won't work. I mean, we we've seen this before.
00:07:43
Tristan Amundson
This will be batted down or something. Very small margin on all of these plays.
00:07:48
M dub
It was a small margin and it was frustrating because on both of the plays, it did seem like Rick Wollin had done the hard work and the, and the coaching had done the hard work to be in position to make a pass deep, ah you know, defense on a pass is, is the hard stuff.
00:07:57
Tristan Amundson
Yes.
00:08:04
M dub
That means the coach hasn't been the right place. That means he has the speed and recognition to get in the right place. That's why I did feel frustrating because it felt like, Hey, if you're in position, that's, knocking the ball away is the easy work.
00:08:16
M dub
You know, having having the speed, the awareness, knowing what to do to get into that position feels like the hard thing.
00:08:16
Tristan Amundson
Yeah.
00:08:23
M dub
And I think that's why it's so confusing. I do think on the 49ers touchdown winning throw, ah Pro football focus, they have a category called turnover-worthy plays for quarterbacks, and that's what they evaluate more so than the actual number of interceptions.
00:08:39
M dub
I felt that was a game-winning touchdown throw that was go that is going to be categorized as a turnover-worthy play in the PFF system. but They definitely thought about it. I don't know, but they definitely thought about it because there was a chance. And, you know, same corner same corner of that stadium where Mr. Richard Sherman once tipped the ball,
00:08:59
M dub
away headed to a 49er. And it seemed like Rick Willen did have the opportunity to do the same thing. I've talked about it over the years. You know, I love aggression at the catch point. We didn't see it there.
00:09:10
M dub
And yeah, it was tough. Now you're right. The one man doesn't lose a game on this by the same token. I am going to take a look at it as the weeks go by because Rick Willen does give up 80 yards of passing ah offense in this game.
00:09:26
M dub
That's the most by any member of the Seahawks defense. Just to put that in perspective, across his first three years, his average for an entire season is 401 yards given up in passing coverage.
00:09:38
Tristan Amundson
Yeah.
00:09:39
M dub
So already, so I think it really is kind of a career worst game for him. And that's that's a big chunk out of that entire season average. So There's a, you know, as we mentioned, in position to make the plays.
00:09:54
M dub
Doesn't have to be 80 yards every single game, but it's definitely something to look out for.
00:09:59
Tristan Amundson
Yeah. yeah and uh, two different ways that those fell apart on him as well. it
Traditional Football Roles Revival
00:10:05
Tristan Amundson
comes to mind. And I think coach even mentioned this, um, during the press conference one, it was a misread, you know, the other, maybe it was lack of aggression at the top end of a route to, to come down with it.
00:10:16
Tristan Amundson
Um, you know, it it's kind of like he made two different mistakes on both of those. Um, and two like fairly minor mistakes that ends up making all the difference.
00:10:21
M dub
you
00:10:26
Tristan Amundson
Um, uh, I felt myself being really bummed out right off the bat when we were watching this game. Nicky Manrory was it. Look, I could feel his presence in those few snaps. I think you mentioned to me, he played a total of five um defensive snaps in this game.
00:10:42
Tristan Amundson
And, uh, What a bummer because, you know, it's to see, and I'm not saying that costs us the game or anything. um i mean this purely as just enjoyment of watching the game and watching someone like Nick or how I perceive Nick. I perceive Nick to be someone similar to Witherspoon where it's a spark plug, someone who just brings level a level of energy and excitement to the defense.
00:11:07
M dub
you
00:11:07
Tristan Amundson
That's fun to watch. Just purely throw the analytics away just as a sports fan watching. That's a fun guy to watch. And I feel like we got a little gypped by him getting injured. So I hope, I really hope that E-Man can come back soon because um that we i feel like we got ah just the the slightest taste of of his style of football. And it's a really fun style.
00:11:28
Tristan Amundson
And the more spark plugs, the better
Strategic Decisions: Field Goal or Touchdown?
00:11:30
Tristan Amundson
on the defense.
00:11:31
M dub
I have to agree and just feel really bad for him on a personal level. I mean, talk about, you know, so since the end of the college season last year, his whole life, I mean, we know that the cycle that that rookies have to go through, the draft process, moving somewhere across the country they've never been before, the minicamps, the preseason, and to have it have it taken away for a moment on the fifth snap of the game, it does unfortunately look like
00:11:36
Tristan Amundson
you Yeah, you get there.
00:11:59
M dub
He could miss multiple weeks, potentially even go on the injured reserve with his ankle sprain. But Tristan, it was his fifth snap of NFL football, and he records a tackle for loss, getting into the backfield.
00:12:09
Tristan Amundson
Pretty cool.
00:12:11
Tristan Amundson
Yeah.
00:12:11
M dub
And...
00:12:11
M dub
um the league leaders in tackle for loss ah over the last few years, the the absolute league leaders, your Max Crosby's, your Miles Garrett's tend to get about between 20 and 25 in a season and getting just one per game.
00:12:25
M dub
Usually it gets you in the top 10. That's what happened with Leo Williams last year.
00:12:27
Tristan Amundson
Yeah.
00:12:29
M dub
So to get one of those in your fifth snap, it was a great play. ah He, he recognizes that it's going to be a run and is just in the backfield immediately. mean, tackle for loss from the safety position, fifth snap of the game.
00:12:42
Tristan Amundson
Pretty crazy.
00:12:42
M dub
I mean, you know, the the play kind of goes in the back of your mind because so much happens.
00:12:43
Tristan Amundson
Yeah.
00:12:46
M dub
But I think it really was a big loss that the broadcast certainly didn't really track because we've never seen Eman Wari play a full regular season game before. But I think it was a big deal.
00:12:57
Tristan Amundson
That style of player, certainly, if you think about how do you neutralize a guy like Christian McCaffrey, right? I mean, someone who has, excuse me, such elite ah um quickness and movement and and can...
00:13:12
Tristan Amundson
once he gets open and once he gets into the, you know the, the field of play, like really cause trouble, the way you stop Christian McCaffrey is in the backfield and you stop him with big negative loss plays.
00:13:25
Tristan Amundson
um And that's kind of how you can affect his game. And you imagine that's kind of Nick and Rory's game, right? Is to be able to, to make um those big kind of impact flash plays. They, they have a ah cumulative effect. So,
00:13:39
Tristan Amundson
Yeah, I mean, potentially could have it could have swung the game quite a bit. um I'm just excited to see him, i you know, hoping that he gets well soon ah so that we can see it because that's that is part of this thing too, right? You know, it's
Critique of Offensive Strategy
00:13:51
Tristan Amundson
it's about X's and O's and strategy and statistics, but it's also just about sitting down on a couch and watching a game and watching –
00:14:00
Tristan Amundson
someone do something really fun and i i think he's he's going to give us a lot of that over the next couple of years so hoping and hoping that um it it is it sounds like a high ankle sprain but hoping maybe if it's possible that it's a the lighter side of the high ankle sprain who knows you know those those things can take time especially for quick athletes like that right it the they affect folks like him the most
00:14:00
M dub
you
00:14:25
M dub
Can move on to another new Seahawk on defense? I was getting in the weeds with his tackle for loss business. We saw DeMarcus Lawrence, supposedly too old for the Seahawks to invest the money, has an absolute monster game, six total tackles, including two tackles for loss,
00:14:33
Tristan Amundson
Hmm.
00:14:42
M dub
That is right at the peak of his powers, statistically speaking. And I think you saw him make a difference. I think the number zero looks pretty sweet out there. i don't think I would have said that a few years ago, big on uniform number aesthetics. But um yeah, it it was that was really encouraging.
00:15:00
Tristan Amundson
Yeah, no, I, you know, you definitely felt the presence. I, I noticed just kind of in general, feeling the presence ah along the defensive line. I felt like the defensive line looked fairly in control. It certainly wasn't a perfect game, but all in all, I i walked away fairly encouraged by what I saw on defense.
00:15:20
Tristan Amundson
um Here's one that, that I, I don't know if the stats are going to totally bear this out. So this is a bit anecdotal. Just, just my eyes watching the game. I felt like I saw Byron Murphy in the backfield a good amount. Like he was a little bit more active maybe than we've seen in years past.
00:15:38
Tristan Amundson
I'm curious, and I've looked at the stats. that I mean, he has, I think, one tackle for loss. Like it it doesn't, I don't know. It's not like jumping off the page. He has a a couple of hurries.
00:15:48
Tristan Amundson
What did your eyes see with B-Murph? Because I liked it.
00:15:52
M dub
I felt that same way. And hey, defense, you know, what a position. You get that one tackle for loss. You get that every game. And like I said, you're top 10 in the league in that category, which which is a major category.
00:15:59
Tristan Amundson
Yeah.
00:16:02
M dub
I did feel it. Overall, Christian McCaffrey, it felt like he was running all over the place because the Niners gave him the ball so much.
00:16:09
Tristan Amundson
Yeah. Crazy.
00:16:09
M dub
There were 32 plays where they called his number, 10 passes in addition to 22 rush attempts. russia attempts
00:16:16
Tristan Amundson
crazy
00:16:16
M dub
And he generated 4.4 yards per those 32 touches. and And that's including 10 passing targets. So, yeah, you did see him run the ball a lot. But, I mean, they're giving him the ball pretty much half their snaps.
00:16:28
M dub
And there weren't any explosive plays. And 4.4 yards, I think, when that's factoring in 10 passes. that's That's a lot of targets. that's That's containing a star player getting 32 touches in a game.
00:16:41
Tristan Amundson
Now, do you think that Christian McCaffrey um called up Big Cat after the game and said, hey, um if there's a way that I can include you in all of my games so that you can push me and get me to move super fast down the field? I don't know if you remember the play where um Williams tries to make a tackle from behind and just ends up giving him a massive shove.
00:17:03
Tristan Amundson
And you just see the speed of Christian McCaffrey go from like normal speed to it's like he fast forwards for like five or six steps because he has the momentum of Leonard Williams, like full shove behind him.
00:17:12
M dub
you
00:17:16
Tristan Amundson
And he was just able to keep his feet underneath him. It was it was pretty cool. It looked it didn't look real like it looked like. a glitch in the matrix a little bit just because he was going faster than a human should be able to go, you know, because, you know, he had a 300
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00:17:31
Tristan Amundson
pound man shove him as hard as he could.
00:17:33
Tristan Amundson
And Christian McCaffrey is such an athlete that he just kept his feet.
00:17:38
M dub
Without that play, his average goes from 4.4 yards to 4.2713 yards per touch. No, I'm just kidding. Sorry.
00:17:45
Tristan Amundson
Is that right?
00:17:46
M dub
no excuse
00:17:47
Tristan Amundson
Okay, i was going to say, but I mean, it was a big play. I think it was a 20 yard gain. I mean, it was a it was a solid ah play up the middle. But yeah, that was I just thought a funny moment watching his body just kind of literally look like he was shot out of a cannon and the cannon was Leonard Williams.
00:18:02
M dub
I also want to shout out Josh Jobe. He was signed for a pretty small amount of money in the offseason. I think it was one-year, $2 million dollar deal. He has an absolutely fantastic game, allowed five yards total on five targets, and gets the interception as well. Really athletic interceptions by both Josh Jobe and Ernest Jones.
00:18:22
M dub
And we see the Seahawks but force the Niners to resort to a field goal on three different drives. I mean, that field goal kicking became a pretty big subplot in the game, but it was three very close field goal attempts that the Niners had to resort to even in a game where they were desperately trying not to use their kicker.
00:18:43
M dub
Right. So I think we do see, it did feel like bend, but don't break it. It, doesn't I don't love that phrase. I don't love that style of offense, but it really did seem like, hey, yeah, the Seahawks, we're going to give up yards.
00:18:57
M dub
their first downs in the middle of the field. Not really many explosive plays overall, and those three drives did stall out. In addition to that, I mean, the the first Jake Moody miss, i I think, was just on him, but that second one, I think you see and that that is a field goal block that I feel like the Seahawks earned.
00:19:17
M dub
You have Julian Love really going for it.
00:19:18
Tristan Amundson
Yep. Yeah.
00:19:19
M dub
And I felt, I feel like I saw Byron Murphy. I thought Byron Murphy was going to get that block if Julian Love didn't. That's the first time I can remember seeing kind of like a double block in line.
00:19:30
M dub
Take a look back at it.
00:19:31
Tristan Amundson
yeah
00:19:32
M dub
But yeah. it And then to see the Niners' first touchdown, Seahawks stall out the drive. And then there's ah very odd...
00:19:43
M dub
penalty on Leonard Williams, a roughing the passer. definite It wasn't egregious. It was also a moment he could have avoided. And that was on a play.
00:19:55
M dub
The penalty does not affect the play. It was a third and nine for the 49ers. They're still 40 yards from the end zone. Probably not going probably have to resort to doing a very short punt. um But instead, that penalty early in the first quarter keeps their drive alive. And that's the only touchdown the Niners score in the first 58 minutes of this game.
00:20:14
Tristan Amundson
Yeah, I mean, and another big swing moment, right? That um you you get off the field, you have no idea what's going to happen. You you give your offense another opportunity to... ah um to to make their own impact. So yeah, no, it's, it's a good point. And I'm glad you brought up because that's one that frankly, I, I kind of missed as I was watching it.
00:20:34
Tristan Amundson
Um, it wasn't a point of emphasis for me, but it's all those little things, yeah right? I mean, a 15 yard penalty, that's a, that's a big deal, uh, that, that changes flips field position and, and keeps offenses moving in the right direction. So,
00:20:48
Tristan Amundson
um I think that's, I think it's a very good point. um One thing I wanted to mention, I want your thoughts on it, and it'll be fun to see this evolve throughout the course of the year.
00:21:00
Tristan Amundson
Basically perfect bounce between K9 and Charbonnet. It was, I really enjoyed seeing that. So just kind of looking at the numbers from a rushing perspective, at least K9 got the ball 10 times. ah
00:21:14
M dub
Thank
00:21:15
Tristan Amundson
Charbonnet got the ball 12 times. So you can't really ask. Yeah. I mean, you really can't ask for any more bounce than that. Being able to see kind of the, yeah the lightning and the thunder, right. The two different versions, the two different kinds of runners that they are. Yeah.
00:21:30
Tristan Amundson
yeah Maybe they weren't as um effective as we would have liked. Certainly they weren't as effective as we would have liked. And yet I really did love to see kind of the combo of the two of them and keeping a defense off balance.
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00:21:43
M dub
I'd like to see it the combo as well. You definitely want a higher yards per rush from K9. Although I did, got to do a little bit of film study on the rushing game. Look out. ah I'll get to that. But I was really encouraged because the Seahawks do start off in a 7-0 hole.
00:22:01
M dub
Receiving their their second drive of the game. And the issue last year was it felt like with any type of deficit, the Seahawks just just go pass all the time and become very predictable with their passing. That was kind of the main complaint of last year.
00:22:17
M dub
So it's still the first quarter. Seahawks are in a seven nothingthing hole. And I started out this game so encouraged by the offense. It's honestly taken me a while to like move off of the kind of opinion I established in the first half because they start this drive.
00:22:32
M dub
They go 11 plays. 10 of them are runs. They don't get any yardage on the one passing play and they go all the way to the end zone. 69 yard drive. Get helped out by a penalty along the way.
00:22:44
M dub
But It's an all-run drive to get there. ah Turned out to be the only touchdown of the game. Doing that in a slight deficit. I really appreciated that. I thought that was a great sign that we were going to see a game with like six or seven possessions each per team and just have these monster ongoing drives.
00:23:03
M dub
I do think that's the type of game the Seahawks want to play. A lot of unders, a lot of both teams under 21 points. And I was curious, why didn't it work out like that the rest of the way?
00:23:15
M dub
Why are we able to do this on the first drive and not on on future drives? I think the answer is really specific to this game. I think it has a lot to do with Fred Warner. So this I think this was...
00:23:26
Tristan Amundson
who
00:23:28
M dub
So Fred Warner, we we have Clay Kubiak, the brother of Clint, is the 49ers offensive coordinator. And Clay has been in that building for like five or six years now. We had Clint also in the building two years ago when the team went goes to the Super Bowl.
00:23:44
M dub
In other words, Fred Warner is facing a Kubiak offense in practice constantly, you know, almost all the time.
00:23:51
Tristan Amundson
o
00:23:54
M dub
So I looked at all the the Seahawks running plays. In the NFL film room, which is just such a crazy invention. have to be ahead of an NFL coach from like 2013 or something with what you can look at.
00:24:06
Tristan Amundson
100%. Oh, yeah. No, the the the amount of film and data that we can see um just as normal people that aren't affiliate affiliated with the NFL.
00:24:17
Tristan Amundson
You're right. It probably is about that. Like we have more information than maybe like ah an actual coach would have in 2013. It's Yeah. really amazing
00:24:25
M dub
So I would say there were seven running plays that that I just categorized as being bad. So not necessarily a tackle for loss, but just, you know, just kind of move the drive backwards in in terms of the yardage.
00:24:39
M dub
One of those was the very weird Jalen Milrow play in the very first drive that you could tell the Seahawks just kind of wanted to shoehorn in there. So like, okay, that happened. So there's six other plays, six rushing plays the rest of the game.
00:24:51
M dub
that i out that i That were just negative plays. One of them, I would say, was a completely missed block by Anthony Bradford. And that, unfortunately, is going to go on K-9's rushing record because that was that was a tackle for loss. His defender just completely gets by him.
00:25:06
M dub
So there's that. Now we're left with five more rushing plays I haven't talked about. Four of them were stopped by Fred Warner. So he's just he's just reading these things.
00:25:14
Tristan Amundson
Wow.
00:25:15
M dub
And and and so they don't he has one tackle for loss in the game, so doesn't stand out statistically.
00:25:15
Tristan Amundson
Yeah, he's good.
00:25:21
M dub
But he really was stopping drives with how he's reading things. Yeah. and it was ah It was unfortunate. And it's something that to keep in mind for, we're going to see this team in week 18, the first few days of 2026.
00:25:39
M dub
All of us, our lives, the team will be transformed by that point. But um it's something to keep in mind for that that point in time because it felt like, oh, and on that on that touchdown drive, that's when Fred Warner comes out for a few snaps with injury as well.
00:25:43
Tristan Amundson
Yep.
00:25:55
M dub
So, I'm not sure what you do to contain this man, but it it felt the Seahawks offensive struggles felt very matchup specific when I looked at it like that.
00:26:06
Tristan Amundson
He's a star, man. I mean, he's one of their stars and he's one of the great linebackers in the game. And he certainly showed it. um No, ah so so totally agree. And that makes sense. That's that's actually very helpful to think about.
00:26:18
Tristan Amundson
Again, matchup specific. Not every team has a Fred Warner. Plenty of good linebackers in the league. Not saying that's not the case, but um but yeah, in this kind of an interesting tidbit. Can I give you ah tidbit, an interesting little little nugget here?
00:26:34
M dub
I would love a tidbit.
00:26:35
Tristan Amundson
Um, who so there's not a lot of teams in the NFL that are running fullbacks out there. Correct. Fullback. we We would say it's kind of a dying breed. Wouldn't we miles?
00:26:47
M dub
It's coming back to life. I thought Robbie Utes had a fantastic game. Is that where you' going here?
00:26:51
Tristan Amundson
That's where I'm going. But I want to compare the snap counts of Robbie Utes and Kyle Juszczyk because Kyle, one of the great ones in the game, right?
00:26:57
M dub
Oh, wow. Yeah.
00:27:00
Tristan Amundson
And and and certainly the 49ers, you just said it. Very similar offense. I mean, you might say the exact same offense. Very, very very similar offensive. At least the same philosophy. How about that?
00:27:12
Tristan Amundson
Robbie Utes. Our young rookie fullback. I would have loved to be in the stadium. Did we get any? os I hope we did. 37% of the offensive snaps. Robbie Utes was on the field.
00:27:25
Tristan Amundson
Kyle Juszczyk. I'm not going to make you guess. I'll just say it. 49% of the snaps. That's kind of cool. I mean, that's, I think 37 seems about like the perfect number. 49 makes sense for the Niners because Kyle's been doing it longer and he's,
00:27:40
Tristan Amundson
he has He has carved out a bigger role in that offense in general. So it makes sense he gets a few extra snaps than just the blocking stuff. But um I mean, I feel like both extremely healthy fullback numbers. So ah specifically to Mack Strong, Mack, the fullback is back and it feels good.
00:28:00
M dub
It does feel good. I did notice on the Seahawks touchdown. Here's the personnel group that the team brings out there. They bring out Jack Charbonnet. They bring out Robbie Oates. They bring out a sixth offensive lineman and Josh Jones.
00:28:11
M dub
His one snap of the game was the team's one offensive snap of the game was the team's one touchdown and then two tight ends on top of that.
00:28:13
Tristan Amundson
yeah
00:28:19
M dub
So just announcing that they're going to go run and get it in from the one.
00:28:24
Tristan Amundson
yeah Try to stop us. I love it.
00:28:26
M dub
Yeah. Which I think leads us to ah one of the crucial snaps of the game that we do have to talk about. We're deep in the fourth quarter. The Seahawks are facing a fourth and one with about three minutes left.
00:28:38
M dub
The game is tied 10 to 10. Mike McDonald chooses to go for the field goal. I have to admit, as I was watching this, because this decision has to be made in about 10 seconds, my mind was was a plate of scrambled eggs.
00:28:50
Tristan Amundson
Yep.
00:28:54
M dub
So my opinion is is gonna be is coming in hindsight. i i do I have a strong opinion now in hindsight, but I do have... Now, everybody they the Seahawks are employing people to come up with a great decision on this in those 10 seconds, and that's their full-time job.
00:29:11
Tristan Amundson
Bill Gates is literally probably in the background with a little computer saying, here's what we got to do. We have the best people on this.
00:29:18
M dub
They're radioing to the UW campus. He's deep in a basement. Steam is coming out of, you know, the things.
00:29:25
Tristan Amundson
Yeah.
00:29:29
M dub
I do feel like it was the wrong decision. And I felt like because it was fourth and one, it wasn't fourth and three.
00:29:38
Tristan Amundson
yeah
00:29:38
M dub
And I do think that it felt to me like, it was coaching a little bit scared. And I think if you do want to be this team that runs the ball, you want to you you have to get that yard.
00:29:54
M dub
You could bring out the jumbo package as in the touchdown drive and have Charbonnet run the ball. We saw a successful tush push from Jalen Milrow in the preseason. The reason you put in that play and practice it and put it in the preseason is for a moment like this.
00:30:05
Tristan Amundson
Thank you.
00:30:09
M dub
The reason you have Milrow on the roster is for a moment like this. And i I would have liked to see an attempt on it. Also, another consideration was the Niners did completely control time of possession in this game.
00:30:22
M dub
So as much as McDonald is is trusting the defense with this call, which which felt like where it was coming from, you do have to consider, i think there should have been more consideration. Again, not sure how you get this in 10 seconds, but probably before the drive, considering the the defense has really played a lot more snaps than the offense, and asking them to get yet another drive when the the time of possession was so imbalanced, I think was too much.
00:30:50
M dub
What do you think?
00:30:50
Tristan Amundson
Yeah, it's well, this is what I think. I love the intellectual honesty that your brain was scrambled eggs in the moment. Most people aren't willing just to say that like, hey, in the moment, 10 in this 10 second period, it would have been really hard to be on the sidelines if they said, Miles, what should we do?
00:31:08
Tristan Amundson
That's ah it's a tough spot. so So I love the empathy and the idea that, hey, listen, These coaches have to make these decisions, these teams of people in just, I mean, 10 seconds, five seconds, whatever it is. There's not a lot of margin for error.
00:31:25
Tristan Amundson
um And if you are going to do that, you got get the right personnel groupings out, yada, yada, yada. um So I think that is an important thing. Retrospect, even ah retrospective um thought of that 30 or 40 seconds later is, you know, kind of like, well, whatever.
00:31:42
Tristan Amundson
I mean, Greg Olson did that on the broadcast, right? On the broadcast, he's like, well, you know what I would have done afterwards is I would have gone for it.
00:31:48
M dub
you
00:31:50
Tristan Amundson
Well, it's like, well, okay, Greg, sure. um you youre you You don't have the headset on. And so I understand what you're saying. i think I would have liked to see it.
00:32:01
Tristan Amundson
I think the the other way to look at that argument is your defense is playing really well. You in some ways you are. There's two different ways to look at it. One is we're going to play to win the game right now and we're going to be aggressive and go after it on ah offense, which You could translate as, hey, even if we don't make this, we believe in our defense, right? But you could translate the other way.
00:32:22
Tristan Amundson
We're going to kick the field goal.
00:32:24
Tristan Amundson
We only need three points because our defense is going to take care of it the rest of the way. I will say I kind of I think I would have done the kick like coach did from a standpoint of the way the game was going and the way the defense was looking.
00:32:24
M dub
Thank
00:32:39
Tristan Amundson
I had a hard time imagining them going down the field and getting a touchdown. I really did think like, hey, they might tie it. they might They might be able to go down the field and get a field goal. But I think we're going to be safe here um and we'll have another chance.
00:32:52
Tristan Amundson
So, yeah. So to to just to answer it bluntly, I think I would. I agree with Coach. um But, man, I mean, it's it's a milliseconds type thing.
00:33:03
M dub
I felt like going for it, I would have felt comfortable. ah man. i do I do want that if the team is going to put so much personnel snaps into these tight ends, these fullbacks, these running backs, I do think that the team should be looking to get those situations.
00:33:23
M dub
Fourth and three, i think, could... but I think it's a completely different situation.
00:33:28
Tristan Amundson
Very, very different.
00:33:29
M dub
But I i think fourth and one, and I think the team might struggle on fourth and three, but a fourth and one, i think the team should really look to take ownership of that in the same way that the Eagles have.
00:33:29
Tristan Amundson
yeah
00:33:39
M dub
Because it just gives, I mean, talk about a confident team in the Eagles, you know, going out there just knowing, ah no problem. Fourth and one is not an issue for us, you know.
00:33:49
Tristan Amundson
Yeah, no. And it's I mean, it to your point, it's a culture thing and it becomes an unfair advantage that the Eagles have. And I mean that in a good way. I don't mean that as a, you know, hey, that's unfair.
00:34:01
Tristan Amundson
It's a you're looking for advantages in everything in life and they have those unfair advantages. They have the opportunity to um to stay on the field.
00:34:11
M dub
Thank
00:34:11
Tristan Amundson
Right. I mean, what is the value of another three downs potentially? um to keep you know to get another three downs, to get another three downs, to get a touchdown, to get ah maybe an easier field goal, whatever it is. So um it's something i would I would love for them to continue to double click on here may Maybe here's my response to you.
00:34:33
Tristan Amundson
An identity like that isn't created in one game. An identity like that is created over the course of a season. In the Eagles case now, over the course of two, three seasons being dedicated to a thing.
00:34:42
M dub
Thank
00:34:45
Tristan Amundson
And so, yeah, so so maybe if Coach was here, he would say like, hey man, in week five and six, we're going to be there, but we're not there yet. like And maybe he would also say, You just mentioned that that Fred Warner guy is pretty good and he causes a lot of trouble.
00:34:59
Tristan Amundson
And I wasn't going to take the risk maybe because of him and maybe because he knew he he knows what's going to be coming his way. um Yeah, so but not and I agree with you and I hope it's something that they do um major on because when you can buy yourself extra downs and extra possessions, that really does start flipping games and flipping game scripts.
00:35:22
M dub
It does. I kind of didn't even picture the Seahawks scoring a touchdown. I just pictured converting that and just running the clock down to dust and and winning the game 13-10. That would have been...
00:35:32
Tristan Amundson
Exactly. Yeah.
00:35:33
Tristan Amundson
Yeah.
00:35:33
M dub
I mean, i'm I'm in fantasy land right now, but at that's the road not taken.
00:35:36
Tristan Amundson
No, but I mean, it's it's it's the clock, right?
00:35:38
M dub
But it was there.
00:35:40
Tristan Amundson
Yeah, absolutely. It's a clock. And then listen, I mean, it's kind of funny. And again, it takes it takes all 11, right? Because they do get the ball back and they start driving down the field.
00:35:51
Tristan Amundson
Right. I mean, if we just want to talk about the end of this game, because it was an insanely exciting end to the game, Miles. JSN is going to have a monster year, is he not? I mean, Jackson Smith and Jake, but looks so good.
00:36:04
Tristan Amundson
um He is going to be the focal point of this ah offense. It looks like certainly from a passing perspective and his feel for defenses is really, really great. I mean, it was fun watching him have so many wide open looks and then, you know, a couple contested catches that last catch down the sideline was absolutely, it was a gorgeous throw.
00:36:25
Tristan Amundson
It was well executed by JSN. um And you could feel it. Like you could feel the momentum shifting of this is our game. Like we can get right back in this and and take this game.
00:36:37
Tristan Amundson
um And then again, one man does not make a season. obviously not Abraham Lucas like finest hour when, when again, what do you say? One of their stars, right?
00:36:50
Tristan Amundson
Nick Bosa, one of their stars puts a bull rush on Abraham. It's hard to imagine that one human being could knock Abraham Lucas on his butt.
00:37:02
Tristan Amundson
And that's exactly what Nick did, you know, absolutely ruining that play. um yeah that And I don't know, is that just kind of a you tip your hat to the fact that Nick Bose is one of the great defensive ends in the league and it is what it is. I mean, we like our guy like we Abe looked fine in that game.
00:37:21
Tristan Amundson
But man, that was a that was a rough moment. um that That was a rough moment maybe ah for for Abe and and and in retrospect, maybe a little extra help against ah i been against Nick would have been good.
00:37:34
M dub
Yeah, it's funny. i maybe an enough Maybe somebody who's a coach in the trenches would completely disagree with me. But I was kind of thinking how unlucky that play was because we've seen snaps.
00:37:47
M dub
Nick Bosa, pick your defensive lineman, just completely win. And, i mean, Abe Lucas does end up with his tuchus on the ground. So it's it's hard to say i to say that he didn't win. But Nick Bosa doesn't get past him.
00:38:01
M dub
And I was just kind of thinking, like what if Darnold was just in a slightly different place in the pocket or just takes a ah little step up that you don't even think about and then you're you're not even you're not even thinking that Nick Bosa beats Abraham Lucas on this play.
00:38:05
Tristan Amundson
Sure. Yeah.
00:38:15
M dub
It's kind of a coincidence that it was you know just this one foot of space to bring that football back that ah it was right there. Maybe not a coincidence because Nick Bosa was driving him right into the quarterback, but
00:38:25
Tristan Amundson
Yeah.
00:38:29
M dub
it wasn't the cleanest win that you'll ever see, you know.
00:38:33
Tristan Amundson
Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, you're right. he He stayed in front of him the whole time. It is still just, it's hard for me to imagine how strong Nick Bosa must be to be able to do that. And I mean, Abraham Lucas is a big, big man that plays with a lot of anger. And the fact that he was able to do that is is quite shocking.
00:38:51
Tristan Amundson
um But yeah, to your point, you know, maybe if that first read is open for Sam, right, that ball was out much faster and it's no issue. Maybe that was the play call. Maybe the play call, assumed, hey, I think we're going to have our number one read. And it wasn't.
00:39:05
Tristan Amundson
And now we had to go to number two, number three. And by then, Nick Bosa ruins the game, which again, though, that's what great players do. That's what superstars do. They ruin games. They they destroy games. And and Nick Bosa certainly did that.
00:39:20
M dub
We haven't really talked about Sam Darnold so far. The stats certainly don't look pretty. I thought it was a really well-played game by him. I think you saw somebody who executed the game plan the coaching staff gave to him for better or for worse. And I thought what really changed my opinion was it was a very successful drive at the end of the game.
00:39:39
M dub
A bad team does not do a two-minute drill that well. he was He was executing his role in the two-minute drill. And also, easy to forget, but also executes a two-minute drill to conclude the first half, getting the Seahawks their first field goal, moving them from seven to ten points.
00:39:56
M dub
Those are valuable points, especially if the Seahawks are going to play low-scoring games. Yeah, although the stats look pretty ugly, i don't a great ah bad quarterback does not execute the two-minute drill that well.
00:40:09
Tristan Amundson
Yeah, it seemed it seemed fairly efficient. Just kind of watching it. I'm looking at his stats right now. Eighty seven point two quarterback rating or passer rating. um It seemed like a fairly efficient game. It didn't look it didn't look bad.
00:40:24
Tristan Amundson
Right. I mean, it it really yeah I'll just say this. It looked like a classic someone who is managing the game. And Pete, we used to say it all the time. Right. I need you to be a point guard.
00:40:35
Tristan Amundson
He looked like a point guard, did he not? It looked kind of like Steve Nash was running an offense. it's just, yep, I'll get everyone where they need to be on time. and And I'm not going to make a lot of mistakes, which I think generally speaking, that's kind of what we saw from Sam.
00:40:49
Tristan Amundson
Obviously, you know, the game ends with a ah strip sack fumble. but um But again, you know, Nick Bosa is pretty doggone good at his job, too. So it seemed like it, I'll say this.
00:41:00
Tristan Amundson
Stats, not sexy, not exciting. It seemed like he was in control. Like it seemed like he was up for the moment. And to your point, was able to deliver the ball down the field. Really, specifically that last drive when it mattered the most.
00:41:14
M dub
Can I get into my red flag with this team, though? the I mentioned earlier, if the season goes downhill, I think we saw the reasons why. Can I mention why why i'm thinking what i'm what I'm really concerned about coming out of this game?
00:41:27
Tristan Amundson
i We wish you would. Yes.
00:41:31
M dub
Wide receivers. So but we we got two guys. we got JSN who had... i i'm a I'm a little less enthused about the game because of the fumble.
00:41:41
M dub
Obviously, the potential is through the roof.
00:41:42
Tristan Amundson
yeah Yeah, absolutely.
00:41:44
M dub
We had Cooper Cup really struggle. Very crucial third down drop early in the game and not really make his presence felt. But even with both of those guys dealing, we don't really have a lot of a lot happening outside the numbers in this offense.
00:42:00
M dub
And I took a look at it. We got 23 pass attempts from Darnold in this game. Nine of the targets went outside the numbers in total and resulted in two first downs.
00:42:12
M dub
And almost all those nine targets were players who were one of like, it was JSN starting in the slot and moving outside or something like K9 going to the outside. um The two first downs were the were two of the really big pass plays to JSN on the day, but it was still just two, two of six total to JSN on outside the number targets.
00:42:34
M dub
And I don't think that's a coincidence. I think that's because the cornerback with with JSN coming from essentially the middle of the field can use the sideline as a defender, kind of pushing him into the sideline And then um just generally speaking, the the Seahawks have so many tight formations.
00:42:54
M dub
I think that's kind of what led to the Fred Warner run plays as well. The Seahawks offense was just not, there's a lot of blades of grass on that field. And by lining up so many plays so tight, whether it's using your tight ends or your slot receivers, there's a lot of blades of grass the Seahawks aren't looking at.
00:43:14
M dub
I, the, whatever the misalignment was with Marquez Valdez-Scanling, I think it was really huge. And the team really might need to swing a trade to get wide receiver who could line up outside the numbers and get like 400 yards on this year. That would be, that could change everything. And it might unfortunately take a draft pick to do it. But I think I, that is something that,
00:43:40
M dub
I mean, the team has tried to do throwback a little bit with the running game, but you you can't go that far back. You you do actually need an outside-the-numbers wide receiver.
00:43:50
Tristan Amundson
Yeah, well, Jake Bobo is going to fix everything when he comes back. So I don't first of all, I don't want you to worry your pretty head. um
00:43:57
Tristan Amundson
But to your point, and let's put some numbers behind what you're talking about. um Do you want me to list off the Seahawks receiving targets um in the game? Because it it really does. It it underlines.
00:43:57
M dub
you.
00:44:11
Tristan Amundson
There's a lot of blades of grass not being thrown to out there.
00:44:14
M dub
Yeah, it was tough. And i i I don't know these numbers specifically, but they look ugly. And there's a lot of people who I would have loved to to just just get some five-yard targets and get things rolling. But let's hear the numbers.
00:44:27
Tristan Amundson
So um Jackson Smith and Jigba ah obviously leads by far with 13 targets. I'm not even going to do the receptions. Let's just do pure just targets, right? Because that's that kind of shows you the intent, right? Where we're going, where where we want to distribute the football.
00:44:44
Tristan Amundson
13 targets for JSN. He is... obviously by far the leader. The second on the team is Ken Walker.
00:44:50
M dub
Bit a drop-off.
00:44:53
Tristan Amundson
So a running back is your second leading receiver. um And that is three targets.
00:44:59
M dub
bit of a drop off
00:44:59
Tristan Amundson
A bit of a drop off. um ah You know, I guess that's a little misleading. um Cooper Cup also with three targets and Cooper Cup does have more yardage than him.
00:45:11
Tristan Amundson
ah He had 15 yards. So so three, three ah Elijah Arroyo comes up next. Number four on the list with one target. Um, I'm part of, pardon me, AJ Barner with two targets. Elijah Arroyo ends the list with one target. So, um, 13, three, three, two, one, that's your,
00:45:32
Tristan Amundson
but that's your target distribution as a Seahawk. So to your point, there's a lot of opportunity to spread the wealth out potentially. um And you're going to need to do that because eventually they're going to take JSN away and you're going to need to be able to get it to a Torrey Horton, ah obviously to a Cooper cup, to an Elijah Arroyo, hopefully to a Jake Bobo, right.
00:45:46
M dub
you
00:45:52
Tristan Amundson
For maybe a few hundred yards over the course of a season. um But yeah, the, if we don't see a number two wide receiver really established, we will have to, we'll have to make an adjustment.
00:46:04
Tristan Amundson
the The flip side is this, and we really should have started the week by saying, or the the podcast by saying this, it was week one, which is a, it's a, there maybe is not a more important thing to say as a football fan that week one is a liar.
00:46:18
Tristan Amundson
And it is really important to, to keep that in mind. Like, There's a there's a lot of bad week ones and a lot of good week ones that are going to look much different come week three and four of the season. But to your point, we we need to see some improvement with the with the receiving core.
00:46:33
M dub
We do need to see some improvement. And unfortunately, that that player will not be Cody White, who was ah released by the team today as the team brings Shaquille Griffin back in. And it looks like, unfortunately, that's because things are trending that Devin Witherspoon might miss this week two game on the road against the Pittsburgh Steelers. Nicky Manwari also looking doubtful.
00:46:57
M dub
That's pretty tough. Tristan, should we look ahead to this ah Steelers game?
00:47:02
Tristan Amundson
Let's go. Let's let's go. we The Seahawks love a good Steelers matchup that a lot of lot of hatred in our hearts for the Steelers. We still remember a super a certain Super Bowl and the pain that that that that scar still leaves.
00:47:16
M dub
Tristan, this team has Aaron Rodgers. This team has DK Metcalf. It's a little confusing. We have Kenneth Gainwell wearing number 14 for the Steelers and DK Metcalf wearing number four. It's a little trick on the eyes.
00:47:28
M dub
um The Steelers go on their first revenge game in New York to play the Jets, Aaron Rodgers' old team. They win the game 34-31.
00:47:40
M dub
They went on a 60-yard field goal by Chris Boswell. That was really impressive. Could have been a 70-yard field goal. Tristan, the way this field goal is set up, and i so I was surprised I didn't hear anybody talking about this. I was shocked at this play that I saw. It's an 11-yard reception of DK Metcalf.
00:47:56
M dub
Okay, here's what happens. The pass comes to DK. It bonks off his hands. It bonks into the hip of his teammate, tight end Jonu Smith, and it falls right back into DK's hands.
00:48:11
M dub
and And that sets up the field.
00:48:11
Tristan Amundson
Incredible.
00:48:12
M dub
That's how the game is won. i couldn't believe it. So an opportunity to um Pittsburgh's defense did look pretty slow, giving up 31 points to Justin Fields.
00:48:24
M dub
And I'll say this. There's going to be a lot more bigger games this year. It's not a must win in week two. Even to go down in an 0-2 hole wouldn't be great. But this will easily be the most annoying loss of the year if this ends up in a loss.
00:48:38
Tristan Amundson
yeah Yeah, whenever, especially, don't know, with Aaron, like there's just a ah weird vibe that he gives off.
00:48:38
M dub
By far.
00:48:44
Tristan Amundson
I did see at the least surprising bit of news this morning on the Steelers quarterback. He has a quote, sore back and is ah like, i don't know if he actually has a questionable designation on himself for this game.
00:48:57
Tristan Amundson
But we do have reports out of Steelers country. Aaron Rodgers as a sore back, which is probably the most understandable, um the most understandable thing you could hear from a super old quarterback that, yeah, hey, you know, not feeling so good after week one and actually getting hit and like throwing really, really hard over and over again. So um still early in the season. I'm sure Aaron's got a few good games up his sleeve.
00:49:22
Tristan Amundson
um I would imagine that will continue to deteriorate as the season goes on. Right. A really old quarterback isn't going to look great probably in week 15, but I'd imagine we still get the best of Aaron Rodgers in week two.
00:49:35
M dub
He did take some pretty good sacks. ah The Jets fans had to be ecstatic. First play scrimmage, he gets sacked. And also the Jets did drop a couple interceptions as well. Seahawks, great ball skills with both of their interceptions in this game.
00:49:48
M dub
I think those opportunities will be there as well. Got to take advantage of them and convert that play get the turnover.
00:49:54
Tristan Amundson
Very good.
00:49:57
M dub
Tristan, this is the 50th year. i don't know if you heard about this in Seahawks history, 50 seasons.
00:50:01
Tristan Amundson
It is.
00:50:03
M dub
And we are celebrating a jubilee all year with 50 seconds in Seahawks history. My time starts now. Tristan, in 50 seasons of the Seahawks, Sam Darnold is the 25th man to ever start at quarterback.
00:50:21
M dub
But he is only the fifth quarterback to be taken in the first round by any team. He joins Kelly Stauffer, Dan McGuire, Rick Meyer, and Trent Dilfer. That means the Seahawks have had 50 years of being in the NFL draft.
00:50:35
M dub
and they've only taken a quarterback in the first round on two occasions. It was McGuire in 1991 and Meyer in 1993. The first round quarterbacks as a a group of five have a combined record of 35 and 50, winning only 41% of their games.
00:50:51
M dub
And all the other quarterbacks have a combined record of 376 and 324, winning 53% their games. Tristan, if told me, hey, we're going to start team for 50 years just that if you told me and we're goingnna start a team for fifty years and basically never play ah first round quarterback across half a century and have a winning record while doing it.
00:51:13
M dub
What a crazy tradition across all generations of Seahawks football.
00:51:19
Tristan Amundson
I'm speechless. I don't even know what to say to that. That that is an unbelievable tidbit of Seahawks quarterback history. That's that's wild.
00:51:28
M dub
I don't know. i Yeah. it I mean, it starts with Jim Zorn. And um I had mistakenly thought Geno Smith was a first round pick. He is taken early in the second round, which which is a pretty big difference in the in the draft.
00:51:37
Tristan Amundson
Early second, yep.
00:51:40
M dub
And you could have never planned this. It's really bizarre that it happened. And hey, I like it.
00:51:47
Tristan Amundson
Well, and I'm i'm just thinking, i mean, out loud right now, ah don't quote me on this. I think Matthew Hasselbeck was like a fourth or a fifth round draft pick, something like that.
00:51:57
Tristan Amundson
He certainly wasn't a super high draft pick out of Boston College.
00:51:58
M dub
Yeah.
00:52:01
Tristan Amundson
um And then obviously Russell, famously third round draft pick um from a whole pack of Badgers. Yeah. Yeah, so I mean, if those are, i mean, I'm assuming the two most prolific quarterbacks in Seahawks history, right? As far as wins, I'd imagine it'd be Matthew and Russell, or at least they they have to be on the top five list of of most wins in Seahawks history at the positions.
00:52:24
M dub
Right, we also have undrafted Dave Krieg in there. Got a lot of wins in the 80s.
00:52:28
Tristan Amundson
He got a lot of wins in. Yeah. Yeah. In the 80s. OK, interesting. Yeah, that's that's pretty that's pretty incredible. That what do you I mean, i should look this up. I shouldn't put you on the spot. Warren Moon, do you happen to have when he was drafted in front of you?
00:52:42
M dub
Oh, um I don't.
00:52:44
Tristan Amundson
I that's it. Listen, folks, don't do this.
00:52:46
M dub
but can it Going back and forth to Canada, was he in the USFL at one point? I mean...
00:52:50
Tristan Amundson
don't Don't do this to a co-host. Don't don't like randomly um ah you know do this ah draft pick. Here we go. Google, Google.
00:53:02
M dub
Undrafted.
00:53:04
Tristan Amundson
Undrafted into the NFL. So there you go. It just keeps it keeps on going. Even the Hall of Famer Warren Moon undrafted. It's not where you start, Miles. It's where you finish.
00:53:13
M dub
ah so And Warren Moon only 11-13 as a Seahawks starter. So wouldn't have even boosted the numbers that much if he was a first-round player.
00:53:22
Tristan Amundson
Oh, man. Is that 11 and 13? and That's not what I would have expected you to say at all.
00:53:28
M dub
That's what I'm looking at here.
00:53:30
Tristan Amundson
That's incredible. That's that's actually wild. That that goes to show, I mean, the legacy can outgrow the production like i mean Warren Moon and i great player. But I would have assumed he he had done a little bit more for us back in the day. That's that's pretty funny.
00:53:45
M dub
Yeah, Hall of Fame player 102 and 101 as a starter in the NFL.
00:53:50
Tristan Amundson
So are you saying that Sam Darnold is going to be the catalyst that that changes the tide now now the now we are in the air of the first round pick in Seattle?
00:54:01
M dub
He would be the second. We had Trent Dilfer go eight and four um total.
00:54:05
Tristan Amundson
Okay.
00:54:06
M dub
So he was the only one with a winning record across the the previous group of four guys.
00:54:12
Tristan Amundson
OK, so it's it's really it's ah it's up to Sam and he has a fairly low, seat I mean, fairly low floor like he could potentially be the most winning this first round pick in Seahawks history with ah with just some good play here coming down the stretch.
00:54:28
M dub
Yes, he could be. Nine-win season gets it done.
00:54:31
Tristan Amundson
That's, I mean, okay, there you go. if he If he can hit basically the Vegas odds, if he can just barely beat Vegas odds, will we will we we will have a new king of first round draft picks in the Seahawks history.
00:54:44
M dub
Yeah, sorry. Rick Myra got more wins but had a losing record overall. So Sam Darnold could be the Seahawks quarterback drafted in the first round with the most wins and a winning record.
00:54:49
Tristan Amundson
Got you.
00:54:54
Tristan Amundson
Yes, yes.
00:54:55
M dub
and it's a right And that is chasing the history books. Everybody's going to be breathless watching that race all year.
00:55:01
Tristan Amundson
Yeah, if that's not a history book chase, I mean, let's forget about what's happening in baseball right now with the MVP race. Who cares about Aaron Judge and Cal Raleigh? this is This is it right here.
00:55:11
Tristan Amundson
We're chasing down old Seahawks.
00:55:15
M dub
Tristan, there was something um very interesting about kind of the in the early Seahawks drafts that talked about the team's philosophy in terms of first-round quarterbacks. And i'm I'm looking at an old scouting report here. It's it's really short.
00:55:29
Tristan Amundson
Hmm.
00:55:29
M dub
It's really short, but I think it's very valuable, and it helped get this trend started.
00:55:35
M dub
you know what this says, this scouting report from 1976?
00:55:38
Tristan Amundson
I have no idea. I mean, I haven't seen it.
00:55:42
M dub
gohawks
00:55:43
Tristan Amundson
Go Hawks.