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Speaker: Thanks for tuning in to Loser Kid Pinball Podcast.
Speaker: We are on episode 95.
Speaker: I am Josh Roop.
Speaker: With me, my co-captain, as always.
Speaker: Scott Larson.
Speaker: And Scott, it's been a crazy couple weeks.
Speaker: It's been a fun, adventurous time.
Speaker: It's been really busy.
Speaker: It's been super busy.
Speaker: And we got back from Expo.
Speaker: And you know who held our hands through the whole thing?
Speaker: Keith Ellman.
Speaker: Well, Keith Ellman, too.
Speaker: But Flippin'.
Speaker: Oh, okay.
Speaker: Flipping Out Pinball.
Speaker: Yeah, Flipping Out Pinball.
Speaker: They helped us out with our booth.
Speaker: We got to tag team with them for our Flipping the Script on autism.
Speaker: And his sweet Deadpool LE, which now he's hesitant on selling because he's like, I'm not usually a nostalgic kind of person or believe in physical things, right?
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Zach's like, you realize like...
Speaker: Elwin, Eric, Roger Sharp, Josh Sharp, Dwight Sullivan.
Speaker: Legends played it.
Speaker: They've all played it.
Speaker: And you and I did too.
Speaker: And it's all on video too.
Speaker: But if you want that pinball, I don't think he's selling Deadpool now, but if you want a pinball machine, get a hold of him.
Speaker: He does have stuff in stock though.
Speaker: He did have Russian stock, I know.
Speaker: And he had
Speaker: um like mandos in stock and i think some other things so if you want to check out his update list he tries to update he has a post pinned to the top of his facebook page and he updates that i want to say every other week uh great list there there's some great pinball machines you know christmas is right around the corner zach will get you hooked up the shipping is insanely fast yeah no he he's he is very on the spot with that yeah
Speaker: and he does great with it so yep next next pinball machine you buy zach and nicole many flipping out pinball all right all right josh so uh so what's new anything happened in the last two weeks besides expo oh i okay so there's expo yeah or us trying to recover from expo uh probably a little of both
Speaker: So Expo happened.
Speaker: When did we record?
Speaker: Was it like Monday before Expo?
Speaker: It was right before Expo, yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, it was right before Expo.
Speaker: We then hopped on a plane.
Speaker: I hopped on a plane.
Speaker: Let's see.
Speaker: I guess in the last two weeks.
Speaker: Sorry, I got Guardians of the Galaxy from Flippin' Out.
Speaker: Put it in my lineup.
Speaker: And it's funny.
Speaker: I got it on Tuesday.
Speaker: I put one game on it.
Speaker: Then we went to Expo the next day.
Speaker: I would like to talk about Guardians after the fact because...
Speaker: Guardians is a good game I've played on location, but now that I have it in a home environment, my opinion has changed of it a little bit.
Speaker: I'll tease that for later.
Speaker: So then do you want to go to your expo?
Speaker: Should we just do it by day by day?
Speaker: Yeah, let's do day by day.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: What was your Wednesday like?
Speaker: So Wednesday we flew in, got in about two o'clock or so.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Amanda Hamilton was there at the same time and she had offered her and Mike to drive me from the airport.
Speaker: So we hopped in, went and checked them in.
Speaker: I checked in and then we went down.
Speaker: to help set up the flipping out booth because they, they were just looking for help.
Speaker: And we was like, Oh, well we're around.
Speaker: We should, we'll be able to help out.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And that basically that was, that was the evening.
Speaker: I, I think we may have grabbed a bite to eat, but I can't really remember what we did.
Speaker: When I ran into you guys, so we got in, I thought you got in around noon or 1230.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Maybe I did.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Because originally we were supposed to get in.
Speaker: My wife, my mother-in-law and I were supposed to get in around like five o'clock, 530.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: Somehow we lucked out and got on an earlier flight.
Speaker: They had 13 on standby, and apparently 13 people didn't show up.
Speaker: We were the last three on that list, and it was snug in that plane.
Speaker: It was tight.
Speaker: It's like a 20-person plane.
Speaker: Yeah, and you find some of the nicest people on an airplane, and you find some of the biggest jerks on an airplane.
Speaker: Yeah, I guess kind of like pinball, right?
Speaker: yeah and uh anyhow uh we got in around 2 30 mark silk got in around the same time so we grabbed uh an uber after trying to figure out the airport which was funny to me because mark had it more figured out than me and my family did so mark travels more yeah he does this stuff all the time it's like his job or something something like that yeah so we got back to the hotel and
Speaker: Uh, it was still like four or five before we even got to the hotel because all the shenanigans going on at the airport.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And then I came down, try to catch up with you guys.
Speaker: And then we went and grabbed a bite to eat.
Speaker: And then, uh, yeah, it was just kind of helping out around down there.
Speaker: I think someone to the tailgate party.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I was, yeah, I went to the tailgate party.
Speaker: How was the tailgate party?
Speaker: You know, it was cold.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And it was super nice.
Speaker: I mean, Steve Beattie was there.
Speaker: It's at his house.
Speaker: And Dwight Sullivan was there.
Speaker: Jerry Thompson was there.
Speaker: And there were a lot of other people, Bill Webb, Amanda Hamilton.
Speaker: So all these people showed up.
Speaker: Eric was there.
Speaker: And I'm trying to go through and figure out.
Speaker: Oh, and Keith Johnson was there.
Speaker: So it was a big deal.
Speaker: They streamed for about two and a half hours.
Speaker: I think I hopped on for like 45 minutes.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: But Scott Denisi was there too.
Speaker: So yeah, it was fun and it was nice in the garage.
Speaker: Outside it was a little cold, but it was still super nice of them to host that.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I've also realized that everything is 45 minutes away in Chicago for some reason.
Speaker: Yeah, for some odd reason where the convention center is located, it's just... Everything's 45 minutes away.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Um, Thursday.
Speaker: So we finally get to, everyone goes to bed, wake up Thursday.
Speaker: I had a hard time sleeping, so I can't, I think I was up by like six that morning, which is like five hour time.
Speaker: I was ready to go.
Speaker: I was, I think everything, everything had been accumulating for the last six months to this Thursday.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So I finally get up, we get everything put into place.
Speaker: Uh, yeah.
Speaker: And we finally flipped the switch at what, a little bit before 10?
Speaker: Yeah, we had like a countdown for like 10 minutes and then we started about 10, 10 or something like that.
Speaker: And you and I started off with, well, you started, we started with,
Speaker: Justin Benson.
Speaker: Justin, yeah.
Speaker: From Learning Solutions.
Speaker: Yeah, and he's the one who introduced basically Learning Solutions and how it's a new company that they're trying to establish, but they have a big waiting list of all these people who are trying to get into the system.
Speaker: But as we've talked about multiple times, there's a hump to get started.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And so that was the driving force of doing the fundraiser was to help these families get over that hump.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: Then you and I did an interview with Steve Bowden.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: And played Deadpool.
Speaker: Before we did that, though, Drew and Rachel was on.
Speaker: Oh, okay.
Speaker: That's right.
Speaker: You're right.
Speaker: Josh Sharp.
Speaker: And the cool part about these interviews is a lot of them was not like a typical pinball interview.
Speaker: No, no.
Speaker: It was a very casual conversation, which was really nice.
Speaker: We saw elements of other people.
Speaker: people that we've heard from, but able to take, get a different take from them.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: So like with Rachel and Josh, they did talk some IFPA because you got the president on why not, you know, but then we talked about Steve Bowden and I heard from Dennis Cresla was kind of refreshing to hear us talk about the pinball dictionary.
Speaker: Yeah, that was fun.
Speaker: Steve, Steve's hilarious and he has a, he has a lot of great terms that he has coined over the years or incorporated.
Speaker: I was laughing at the chemical warfare and the biological warfare.
Speaker: Yeah, the biological warfare and the chemical warfare.
Speaker: Yeah, those were pretty awesome.
Speaker: So that was great.
Speaker: After us, it was Amanda and Keith Elwin.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: And they had a blast.
Speaker: I heard there was some interesting tidbits out about, I think he said something about his next cornerstone.
Speaker: And then also a little bit of information on Bond 60th.
Speaker: You're going to have to go back and watch it if you missed it.
Speaker: So, yeah, I actually, I was trying to just listen simultaneously because I, I, I had to hook in via like the stream, like everybody else.
Speaker: But as we mentioned before, Josh was, uh, Josh was streaming up from his hotspot.
Speaker: And so that it was, it was a little bit hit and miss just because, uh,
Speaker: I still don't understand why these big conventions have such crappy access to internet.
Speaker: Oh, no, it's not.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Let's talk about this really quick because it's been mentioned on other podcasts.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: And there's a lot of confusion going on.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: With like electricity and stuff like that.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I can't speak to electricity.
Speaker: I'm still thrown for a loop that it was an extra like 300 bucks on top of your booth.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: As far as the internet goes.
Speaker: So the convention center itself is like we're a convention center.
Speaker: You can rent our open warehouse essentially.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: But if you want internet, you must go through the third-party company that runs internet for us.
Speaker: They don't actually provide internet because of where they're at.
Speaker: But it's a contract.
Speaker: They have contracted with someone to provide internet should we want it.
Speaker: Yes, and it almost sounds union.
Speaker: It's kind of weird.
Speaker: Almost.
Speaker: The prices definitely suggest union.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: So...
Speaker: Get this.
Speaker: I know that we've talked about this offline, but I'm just going to talk about this now because if you call the convention center, they're going to tell you this.
Speaker: So this is not private knowledge.
Speaker: This is not a dirty laundry situation.
Speaker: This is actually part of the fee schedule for renting a booth.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: This is the challenge, by the way, of any convention.
Speaker: They're going to find ways of raising money and making the event pay for itself and possibly make some money.
Speaker: So this is not bad.
Speaker: Possibly make some money?
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I called them four months before because George Fisher and I were talking like, what are we going to do about the event?
Speaker: the internet situation he's like i heard rumors about the price and i said i'll just give him a call i'll just flat out tell him who we are i call up the convention center and i say okay we're doing a charity event right what is our price on this because i'm not gonna lie people are very generous towards charities yeah and i would say we've been
Speaker: we have tried our best to make this as simple and transparent as possible.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Like we, we made sure that the finances were, were directly going to learning solutions.
Speaker: We weren't benefiting in any way.
Speaker: In fact, we donated some stuff along with a lot of people.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And so, yes, we, we,
Speaker: It was a very clean fundraiser.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So they said for us, it'd be $2,500 for internet for the day.
Speaker: And I said, but we're a charity.
Speaker: And they said, that's our charity.
Speaker: That's our charity rate.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: If you were not a charity, it would be $2,800 for five megabits upload.
Speaker: For those that don't understand this, five megabits is nothing.
Speaker: You can't run a stream off of five megabits.
Speaker: You can't even download like an app off that.
Speaker: It's so bad.
Speaker: We were talking about we were lucky to be running the, not lucky, but we're doing pretty good with the stream at 20 megabits.
Speaker: And the only reason we had a snafu for a second is because for some odd reason, George Fisher's computer was hooked up to my phone.
Speaker: I know everyone wants to know this, but it was hooked up to my hotspot.
Speaker: And we were doing like 20, 25 output and like 20 upload.
Speaker: And all of a sudden the stream crashed.
Speaker: And then we couldn't figure out why it crashed.
Speaker: But we restarted the stream and it was perfectly fine.
Speaker: So we're just like, oh, that's weird.
Speaker: We'll just chalk it up to like solar flare or something, right?
Speaker: Sure.
Speaker: And then it wasn't until a couple hours later that I went to get out on my phone.
Speaker: I hadn't been touching my phone because I thought it's a hotspot.
Speaker: I don't want to be moving it.
Speaker: Usually if I pick it up, it comes with me, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So a couple hours later just to check my phone and messages and stuff, I pick it up.
Speaker: And I'm like, hotspot turned off due to inactivity.
Speaker: I look at George, George, is the stream still going?
Speaker: And he's like, yeah, why?
Speaker: And I'm like, dude, my hotspot's off.
Speaker: What are you running off of?
Speaker: And we like panicked really quick.
Speaker: Like, well, it shows it's still running.
Speaker: What's it running off of?
Speaker: Somehow it is like reverted from my phone back to George's phone.
Speaker: Oh, okay.
Speaker: So that's what happened.
Speaker: That was the only drop we had.
Speaker: And that was like the first 30 minutes of the stream somewhere on there, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Anywho.
Speaker: So, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker: I will put this in perspective, too.
Speaker: I went to Great Wolf Lodge last week with my family.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: It was the, hey, you let me go to Expo.
Speaker: We're going to celebrate as a family doing our own thing.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: And the guest internet that was totally free at Great Wolf Lodge, guess how much the download speed was?
Speaker: 45. 121.
Speaker: And the upload speed was 205.
Speaker: Holy crap.
Speaker: So only imagine super fast.
Speaker: So, okay.
Speaker: If there's one, one thing that I thought was kind of ridiculous was the, the internet situation there.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Now that being said, the like the convention was very supportive and
Speaker: of our stream and they were very supportive of like helping us out with the charity.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And so this is not on them.
Speaker: This is, this is more of a,
Speaker: a Schaumburg Marriott situation.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That that's probably just what they have to do.
Speaker: And at some point they have to fix that because that is, that's not, I mean, seriously, are we going to do like a, a fax machine stream next time?
Speaker: I guess.
Speaker: I mean, it's like 19 AOL.
Speaker: It's like 1995.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, and the whole thing's goofy too.
Speaker: So let's start and talk about security because – Okay.
Speaker: So we're going to air grievances first and then we'll talk about the positivity.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Let's do that.
Speaker: Let's do that.
Speaker: I don't want to say it's necessarily grievances because we – Situations.
Speaker: Three weeks before flipping the script on autism –
Speaker: we had like a sudden, we should switch this all to online.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: We had, I'm not saying like we knew someone was going to steal from us, but it kind of hit me like three weeks before.
Speaker: What happens if we do get hit?
Speaker: We have all these things here.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: We have some pretty nice items that a lot of people want.
Speaker: And I would hate for us to auction these off and then them disappear.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: And,
Speaker: when I explained it all to the sponsors that way, they were totally fine with it.
Speaker: And so a lot of them didn't bring the items except for the two play fields.
Speaker: And then we had, you know, we had the banner, we had the t-shirt, we had the speaker light kit, the stuff that like people had donated that necessarily wasn't a manufacturer.
Speaker: Like we had the Franchi Plexiglas as well.
Speaker: Sorry, I'm going totally off into left field at the moment.
Speaker: So when I talked to, because our concern was security, we called up the security at the hotel and said, okay, what do you guys provide?
Speaker: We're just trying to figure out what we need to do.
Speaker: And they're like, oh, we don't provide security.
Speaker: And I was like, but you're a convention center.
Speaker: And they're like, well, we provide security for the hotel inside the convention centers up to the person hosting the event.
Speaker: So all those people, as soon as you go through the front door, was Pinball Expo.
Speaker: And then it gets more interesting because like they patrol the hotel security patrols the grounds.
Speaker: But it's like as soon as you go through those double doors or whatever you want to call it's like you're entering the matrix.
Speaker: Yeah, it's like this box within a box that they have no control over.
Speaker: But they were really good about checking your wristbands to make sure you weren't going in.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But nothing else.
Speaker: It was so goofy.
Speaker: And what gets even goofier is after... So for those that didn't see the Facebook post...
Speaker: We were packing up.
Speaker: It's Sunday night.
Speaker: Sorry, it's Saturday night around 1130.
Speaker: People are just playing pinball machines.
Speaker: They're not checking out booths.
Speaker: They don't care.
Speaker: Most booths were closing up because they basically had to...
Speaker: get out um sunday morning like asap and so most most of the booths just tore down saturday night but people that have major booths like cgc stern those ones yeah yeah those that had to bring in a trailer like a truck a semi-trailer they actually didn't tear it out to the sunday because they need everyone else's booths all the way so they could pull the trailer actually into the convention center right so there's a lot of chaos it's it's tearing down and running it out the back door and
Speaker: And I, Brian Cosner, who was very nice to donate some items comes over and he's like, have you seen the Hot Wheels banner signed by Joe Balser, this t-shirt and a speaker light kit, plus his hat and sunglasses.
Speaker: He'd made a pile because I was trying to get all the items back to the people.
Speaker: In the time that I picked up the Franchi Jaws plexiglass from our booth and took it to Franchi,
Speaker: And we talked for maybe 10 minutes, 15 minutes, because he was packing up and trying to get out as well.
Speaker: And came back.
Speaker: That stuff was taken.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It was almost like someone was waiting.
Speaker: And luckily during all that too, I'd moved the play fields back behind.
Speaker: I think they were looking for stuff that they could disguise as their own stuff.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: It's pretty hard to walk out with a play field, but a box, a non-descript box.
Speaker: A one-of-a-kind black and white Attack for Mars play field and a Jersey Jack test play field that was only like four or five of them made.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Yeah, it's kind of hard to hide those.
Speaker: So cause is like, I can't find this stuff.
Speaker: He'd made a pile.
Speaker: He looked, I looked, you looked.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: We did everything.
Speaker: Our first thought was, is like, well, it must've got packed up.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Seriously.
Speaker: We have six, seven people just in the flipping out booth taking stuff back and forth to the dock.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: So we didn't even think we got hit.
Speaker: It was just like, Oh, of course with small, like a t-shirt really.
Speaker: Anyhow.
Speaker: Yeah, it was really weird.
Speaker: So I'm talking to security after the fact, right?
Speaker: Because Brian Allen had talked to us because he got hit pretty hard.
Speaker: Yeah, he got $2,500 worth of his art stolen.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Come to find out there's not security cameras in the convention center.
Speaker: No.
Speaker: They're at the doors.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So they can look at the doors, but they can't look inside the convention center at anyone's booths.
Speaker: Again, a total failure on their part.
Speaker: Like, unless they are trying to disavow themselves from anything that they, but I'm sorry, in today's day and age, having a security system that has like cameras everywhere in a big convention center, that should be a requirement.
Speaker: It should be.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So I'm kind of to the point where it's like this convention is ridiculous in my opinion because it's essentially have your event here, but we're not going to do anything for you besides have mace and heating and air conditioning in this space.
Speaker: And that's about it.
Speaker: Well, I think that they – I would say the location probably needs to step up their –
Speaker: like what they're doing, but maybe that's, I would say expo was much better this year than last year, but maybe that's something that expo needs to address themselves.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: So either we are hiring people, but at the minimum, I'm sorry, as a convention center, you should have closed circuit TV.
Speaker: So here, here's my opinion on this because all of us got hit at the same time.
Speaker: We got hit in that, uh,
Speaker: everyone's packing up people aren't noticing because things are going out the door i think you shut down expo at midnight step two in the morning right because there was no reason to keep it past midnight in my opinion yeah we went back at one and there was barely anyone in there playing you know there were some people on machines it still is what it is but shut it down at midnight and then at midnight push the whole public out that's when people can start packing up
Speaker: Now, you're also making assumptions that it was – we have no idea who the Sticky Fingers person was.
Speaker: True.
Speaker: But it was obviously a planned hit.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: It was planned.
Speaker: I feel like someone had been scoping out Expo all weekend long and then they struck when they knew they could strike.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: So, so this was planned.
Speaker: So that means that they, this has happened before at, at expos, um, any conventions, but that says that what was done this time needs to be changed.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: So that's, I, there's probably other ways you can improve upon it.
Speaker: That was just my top off the top of my head.
Speaker: I think that's some way that you could help prevent.
Speaker: And then there's, you know, it's kind of on you at that point of like, have someone in your booth while you're cleaning up.
Speaker: Anyhow.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Or at least, you know, maybe have an awareness.
Speaker: Hey, we don't have active security.
Speaker: And so you should have someone on stand, you know, on standby to make sure that your stuff's not messed with.
Speaker: Like, there should be some sort of disclaimer.
Speaker: But I think the thing is, is there isn't active security at most of these conventions.
Speaker: There's seriously enough security to check your wristbands and make sure you're not sneaking in the back exit.
Speaker: There really isn't much from stealing.
Speaker: And these conventions are open.
Speaker: These booths, you can attack from all sides.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And the booths, they're just, they're cardboard tables.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Card tables, excuse me, not cardboard.
Speaker: Card tables that have...
Speaker: a drape a tablecloth that's covering all these assets see and like the only difference i can think of with like texas pinball festival and this is they do offer the curtain that can go around your booth yeah they don't offer that here at expo yeah but that would have been ten thousand dollars anyway yeah exactly it's union so okay let's get back to flipping the script okay okay so we'll talk about the stolen items later
Speaker: Well, I think we just covered it.
Speaker: I don't want to dwell too much on a negative thing because the whole experience, the flip in the script was such a positive experience.
Speaker: And thankfully, we contacted the people who supplied the stuff that was stolen and they said they would make it up.
Speaker: Actually, it wasn't the people that supply it.
Speaker: This is why I'm so impressed with American Stern and with Pinshades.
Speaker: So when we found out about the stolen items, they were all donated by Brian Cosner, which is, it was his own personal collection.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: It's not like he can replace them.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: I called up American, or I ran a day fix.
Speaker: I told him the situation.
Speaker: He's like, don't worry about it.
Speaker: We'll cover it.
Speaker: I ran to Zach Sharp and he's like, don't worry about it.
Speaker: We'll cover it.
Speaker: And then the speaker light kit, there wasn't a sponsor for that.
Speaker: But Jockton stepped up and he said, I'll take care of it.
Speaker: Don't worry about it.
Speaker: So I was flat out impressed.
Speaker: It's not even their deal.
Speaker: And they're like, no, just don't worry about it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And that was super nice because we certainly would have felt obligated to find.
Speaker: Well, we did feel obligated to make sure that things were taken care of and people were made whole.
Speaker: So that was a big solid.
Speaker: So the rest of the script, so we had, let's see, where... After that, so it was Eric Meniere and Craig Bobby, and this is Craig Bobby's first time.
Speaker: Killed it, man.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Besides him doing the spots on Pinball Show for your five-minute update, it was great.
Speaker: Everyone loved it.
Speaker: After that, it was Roger Sharp and Jen Rupert from No Coin Drop Required.
Speaker: Also, she was there helping with the tournament.
Speaker: Amazing conversation.
Speaker: It was really cool to see a different side of Roger on that point because Roger always gets asked the same question, right?
Speaker: Of course.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Or questions.
Speaker: And he's pretty good at answering them.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Yes, he is.
Speaker: Plus or minus 45 minutes.
Speaker: And then after them, uh, Roger and Mark Silk or not Roger, sorry, Zach, many and Mark Silk.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: And that was fantastic as well.
Speaker: And during all that, sorry, between the, the, uh, Craig Bobby and the, um, Roger Sharp with Jen, Mark Silk and I did a seminar.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: And you were there for that.
Speaker: Yeah, I was up there.
Speaker: I was surprised actually the numbers in that seminar, there was about 30, 40, which is actually pretty good for a seminar on a Thursday afternoon.
Speaker: Yeah, it's well, this was the challenge.
Speaker: They did a lot of really good things at this expo.
Speaker: OK, one thing that really should be fixed is they didn't have a giant banner that had when all the seminars were.
Speaker: Yeah, they basically had a QR code.
Speaker: On your pass, which every other conventions I've gone to have been like you flip it over and it's, oh, so-and-so speaking right now.
Speaker: And it was a little bit of a walk.
Speaker: I mean, it was upstairs, so it wasn't terrible, but it didn't feel like they were funneling people to the seminars.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So I would say that was a, that was the downside too.
Speaker: And the seminars were free this year.
Speaker: So you had no excuse to not go.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And that was a huge bonus of, well, that was a better organizational decision, I guess.
Speaker: So I'll put it that way.
Speaker: But I'll put it this way too.
Speaker: I think seminars don't get as much love as they should.
Speaker: at pinball conventions it was the same thing with texas pinball festival and what's scary is it's it's funny because everyone's you know i hear a lot of people like well texas is the ultimate and i agree like texas was it's quite a party it's it's like almost like a family reunion for pinball people right yeah and i agree with zach manny that this expo felt like texas light it felt like the fun of texas not as packed so you could get on pinball machines quicker but
Speaker: Just at Texas, as you do have an expo, the X, the seminars are for some odd reason off in the back corner.
Speaker: They have a terrible sound system for both.
Speaker: Well, and they should also have like an announcement over the, like, Hey, in the seminar room now is Mark Silk, you know, you know, so you should have some sort of way of cluing people in, Hey, there's, there's something going on.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But like,
Speaker: Maybe it's just me because I'm a sound guy and I do sound for a living.
Speaker: Well, as a side gig, side hustle.
Speaker: But if your sound is clipping out, this was Texas and this is Pinball Expo, either get a better guy to run your mixer or get more powerful equipment.
Speaker: It was clipping out during the Twippies.
Speaker: It was clipping out during Mark and my seminar.
Speaker: And it's hard.
Speaker: It's hard to convey to an audience what you're trying to say when half of what you're being said cuts out.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And like, I get you don't want to pay a professional sound guy.
Speaker: Uh, and maybe the people running the sound are professional.
Speaker: I don't know, but there's obviously some disconnect of the quality of sound equipment versus what's going on in the seminar.
Speaker: I'm not going to say what their qualifications were.
Speaker: However, I will say there is room for improvement.
Speaker: Well, it was Martin from pinball news.
Speaker: What is his qualification?
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: So, and I'm not volunteering me.
Speaker: Trust me.
Speaker: I'm not volunteering me.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: But there needs to be some better sound.
Speaker: Dude, get some JBLs, some 12, you know, 12 eons.
Speaker: Rob, trust me.
Speaker: That's in your budget.
Speaker: You buy them yourself.
Speaker: I know that the convention, you know, probably provided these.
Speaker: There's a reason people don't want to use them.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I just, anywho.
Speaker: Sorry.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So, okay.
Speaker: So that, yeah, we're, let's wrap up at least flipping the script.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: We keep deviating.
Speaker: So flipping the script, we finished off again with learning solutions and we ended up raising,
Speaker: How much money, Josh?
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So our goal was $25,000.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Which, by the way, I thought was a pretty aggressive goal.
Speaker: I thought we are a small charity.
Speaker: Like we're a small charity stream.
Speaker: I had no idea what we would actually get.
Speaker: Well, and originally our goal was $15,000, right?
Speaker: We'd all kind of agreed maybe that's a pretty conservative goal.
Speaker: Well, not even conservative.
Speaker: We felt that was a stretch.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: But we'd all agreed that was probably a decent number to go after, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And then when I talked to Sarah Foster at Learning Solutions, she said, if we could do $25,000 and get it, we could pay for 31 families to get over that hump and get their diagnosis.
Speaker: It was a no-brainer for us.
Speaker: Yeah, so, hey, shoot for it.
Speaker: Yeah, let's shoot for it.
Speaker: Because that was a goal.
Speaker: That puts faces, well, at least it puts a number, 31 families who need help.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: When we started flipping the script on Thursday, because we opened up the auction early, we were already setting about $8,300.
Speaker: That was between donations and items that had already been bid on.
Speaker: By the end of the stream, we – well, if you're watching the stream, Scott, I, and Justin all got pretty emotional.
Speaker: We had an angel donor come in at the very end and pledge to make up the difference of what we didn't make for our goal.
Speaker: Yeah, but how much do we make?
Speaker: I'm still impressed by how much we made.
Speaker: Both things impressed me, by the way.
Speaker: How much do we make by selling the charity auction items?
Speaker: Okay, so...
Speaker: For the charity auction, do you want me to break this all down in an auction?
Speaker: Just rough things.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: It wasn't about $18,000.
Speaker: So auction items alone were about $14,000.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: Straight donations was about $2,000.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: The angel donor was $10,500.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: And then we had another person come in during our stream in Vernal, so where Learning Solutions is based out of, and drop off a $1,000 check.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: which then brought us to $26,989.22.
Speaker: That is the final takeaway from everything.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And so that's amazing to me.
Speaker: That is amazing.
Speaker: I just, I'm shocked.
Speaker: I was worried about the 22 cents, but I guess that there's some transaction fees that came off.
Speaker: It's fine.
Speaker: Which is funny because a week later I get a notification from 32 auctions like, by the way, now winners can actually pay for the transaction fees instead of coming out of your charity.
Speaker: I'm like,
Speaker: a week later, whatever, but we hit our goal.
Speaker: We did.
Speaker: And it was a, I, I'm not, I'm not looking at the downside.
Speaker: There's everything's upside on this.
Speaker: I just thought it was funny.
Speaker: I thought it was really funny, but, um, yeah, I mean, 26,900, essentially $27,000, right.
Speaker: We're, we're off by the 11 bucks.
Speaker: But still that that's, that's easily twice to three times what I thought we'd make.
Speaker: yeah well and it was funny you know ken cromwell came over and congratulated us from jjp they'd originally done their first the 24 hour right you know three years earlier and he's like 25,012 hours and he's like man that's that's amazing i'm like come on ken you did 50 and in 24 hours but he's like we didn't do 25 and a half you know half the time though yeah uh it just it blew my mind um
Speaker: it's funny though, like we were already discussing and you'll probably hear on prim ball profile as soon as Jeff releases it, but it's like, seriously, the next day people are asking, so you ready to do the next one?
Speaker: You ready to do another script?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I will say that I love doing it and I, I give all the credit to Josh.
Speaker: Josh was the, the founder of this and he's the one who spearheaded it.
Speaker: I, I helped out in any way he needed, but I will give all the,
Speaker: all the founding credit to Josh and all the other people who were involved in the umbrella that came together that was flipping the script.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I could have not done it without, uh, well, George, George Fisher for George.
Speaker: Um, amazing, uh, amazing player.
Speaker: He's the dope panic flip.
Speaker: His setup was amazing.
Speaker: His professionalism was amazing.
Speaker: His involvement was like everything that George brought.
Speaker: I thought this is, uh, you are a saint for doing this.
Speaker: I never saw it.
Speaker: anything on his face but a smile the whole weekend.
Speaker: And I was just like, dude, like... Yeah, he's a nice, positive guy.
Speaker: Yes, he really is.
Speaker: I could learn more from George.
Speaker: Like, he's a great dude.
Speaker: But...
Speaker: My wife made a perfect analogy about people asking us and I even 24 hours after we were finished with it, if we were going to do it again.
Speaker: She's like, that's like asking the mother that just gave birth that she's ready to have another child.
Speaker: You ready to saddle up again?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: You ready to do that?
Speaker: I will say it was such a great experience.
Speaker: We're definitely taking time to recover from it.
Speaker: I'm not even done shipping items out.
Speaker: Yeah, I haven't either.
Speaker: In fairness, my house is totally torn up because we are doing renovations right now.
Speaker: And I have my box of one of the people who bought one of the loser kid hats.
Speaker: So I'm shipping them out a box and I have some swag in there.
Speaker: I had a shirt that I'm sending them out.
Speaker: And so, you know, there's a box that's waiting to go out.
Speaker: But I have been nonstop for the last week.
Speaker: I haven't been able to go to UPS.
Speaker: Well, I'll tell the audience what I've been telling other people.
Speaker: I'm not opposed to doing another flipping the script.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: I'm open to it.
Speaker: I'm open to consider it.
Speaker: We don't want to plan anything right now.
Speaker: Well, and here's the thing.
Speaker: There were so many people involved, and I felt like I used a lot of my favors, quote unquote.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Uh-huh.
Speaker: I need to build those back up.
Speaker: I feel like if I'm going to do this ever again.
Speaker: Sure.
Speaker: And to be fair, and we've talked about all the, I mean, go look at the stream.
Speaker: We talked about all the, the major players who helped out, including pinball expo for what they were able to do.
Speaker: Stern, JJP, American pinball, pin shape, like flipping out the TPN, all these things came together.
Speaker: And so I know I'm missing some, I'm just trying to spit ball a little bit.
Speaker: But yeah, I would like to let things cool down a little bit and then we'll start figuring things out when it starts coming up for next year.
Speaker: Yeah, I'm definitely not making any promises right now though.
Speaker: But it was definitely worth it.
Speaker: It was amazing.
Speaker: We'll keep updating you guys as this goes along.
Speaker: But it's just been fantastic.
Speaker: It went further than my wildest dreams.
Speaker: And it's been amazing.
Speaker: So thank you to those that helped support all the way around.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And you can go and look at the replay if you want to catch up on those interviews.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: So flipping the script was done around 10.
Speaker: That still gave us a couple hours left with the expo, but I think we were kind of doing some running around at that point.
Speaker: I was pretty exhausted.
Speaker: Yeah, me too.
Speaker: I went to bed Friday.
Speaker: So my Friday was I woke up and I woke up before Carly and Danette, which is my mother-in-law, and I went down to the convention floor and
Speaker: And just kind of peruse the floor.
Speaker: The nice part about being a vendor is you can get in before hours.
Speaker: And you can kind of get on some of the games before they're playing to the public.
Speaker: And so I kind of went and did that.
Speaker: And then we all went along with Justin from Learning Solutions to Chicago itself.
Speaker: I've never actually been downtown.
Speaker: We went and explored.
Speaker: And I don't know what the building's called.
Speaker: You go to the very top and it's called 360 tilt is the attraction.
Speaker: It used to be the Sears tower.
Speaker: I don't know what it's, I'm since names change all the time.
Speaker: This isn't the Sears tower.
Speaker: Cause the Sears tower is further West.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: This is like right on the beach line.
Speaker: This is a Hancock tower.
Speaker: Maybe.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: There's a cheesecake factory at it.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: The famous cheesecake factory.
Speaker: The famous.
Speaker: But they have this attraction where you pretty much lay on the glass and then they tilt the whole glass.
Speaker: It's 94 floors up.
Speaker: They tilt you almost flat.
Speaker: So you're laying on top of the Chicago skyline.
Speaker: Did that.
Speaker: Walked around downtown.
Speaker: Had devil dogs.
Speaker: I've never had those before.
Speaker: And the funny part is a lot of the Chicago locals I talked to had never even heard of them.
Speaker: They're like the stereotypical Chicago hot dog.
Speaker: Like they've got the Chicago dog.
Speaker: But we found this one that was called It's Not a Corn Dog.
Speaker: If any of you are familiar with street corn, I love street corn.
Speaker: Have you had street corn, Scott?
Speaker: No.
Speaker: So street corn is famous down in Mexico.
Speaker: They take corn on the cob.
Speaker: They stick it on stick.
Speaker: They roll in like mayonnaise and sour cream.
Speaker: They sprinkle some spice on it, squirt it with a squirt of a lime juice.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: You eat it that way.
Speaker: That concept on a hot dog was pico de gallo.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: It was amazing.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: Cause I'm not, I'm not feeling it right now, but okay.
Speaker: You had to been there.
Speaker: Okay, that's true.
Speaker: And then we went to The Bean.
Speaker: I know the guy that made it doesn't like it being called The Bean, but we went to The Bean and we did the architecture tour on the river.
Speaker: And then by that time, we made an agreement to be back to the hotel by dark.
Speaker: You don't want to be in Chicago at night.
Speaker: And that was pretty much our evening.
Speaker: I caught up with you guys for dinner.
Speaker: You were at some steakhouse.
Speaker: Oh yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So flipping out took the people who were helping out with the booth and, and everybody, they took them out to dinner.
Speaker: So that was super nice of them.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And then I pretty much just caught up.
Speaker: I think we stayed at the convention center after that.
Speaker: It was, yeah, I think we just went around and played games.
Speaker: Did you guys do anything Friday without me?
Speaker: I, I just went and played games.
Speaker: So we, we tried out all the different games, did some seminars, um,
Speaker: But that was pretty much floating around.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: Let's talk about the games really quick.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Let's talk Bond.
Speaker: That's the hot one from Stern.
Speaker: Let's talk Bond.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Now, I'm going to credit Ron and Bruce from Slam Tilt.
Speaker: Ron picked this up that I didn't really pick up on Bond.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: But apparently, there's two pop bumpers.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: And on the premium...
Speaker: They're tied together.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: So they don't activate individually.
Speaker: The pro does activate individually.
Speaker: Uh huh.
Speaker: So that was, that was an interesting thing.
Speaker: I'm not saying that's a huge deal, but, but I'm a little confused as to why they made that decision, but I was told that they didn't have enough space on node boards.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And, and that, that makes sense.
Speaker: So I, I thought that was an interesting tidbit.
Speaker: I, I don't think that's going to push you from the premium to the pro, but I liked playing the layout.
Speaker: The code was,
Speaker: really um primitive well it's 0.54 it's yes i know it's baby stage yeah it is it is definitely in the pre-release stage yeah um the there were a lot of modes that weren't even programmed
Speaker: Uh, I, I liked the flow of the game.
Speaker: I wasn't a huge fan of the underwater shot on the left side because it stopped the flow a lot.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Um, you know, the scoop, uh, I'm, I'm sure with code they can, they can coach that up, but to be fair, um,
Speaker: This is a George Gomez game, and he also designed Batman 66.
Speaker: And when Batman 66 came out, it was a little bit of a clunker and had super early code.
Speaker: Same with Deadpool.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: How are those two games right now, Josh?
Speaker: They're some of the most coveted games out in the world right now.
Speaker: So what I would argue is that Bond is going to follow the same trajectory.
Speaker: I won't disagree with you.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I think bond will, will be a hit.
Speaker: It will be amazing.
Speaker: And I, I think you could go with either the premium of the pro.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And, and be totally fine.
Speaker: I personally like the pro better than like the premium.
Speaker: I felt like the only thing to shoot on the left side was that left orbit to left ramp or it, it's like a Papa Duke or an L one where you shoot the orbit, but it turns into a ramp.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Uh,
Speaker: But the only reason you're hitting that is because of the multi-ball and the jet pack multi-balls, like one of the big ones in there.
Speaker: But I did like hitting that shot.
Speaker: You have to hit it clean.
Speaker: I have to hit it good.
Speaker: If you don't, it kind of ricochets off the spinner and the targets and comes back at you.
Speaker: One thing I wasn't a fan of was the drop targets.
Speaker: And the reason being is when they're up, it feeds the ball very nicely out of the missile to the upper flipper.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: If they're down, it's kind of chaos.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I don't like that because it's like I'm hitting drop targets to advance something.
Speaker: And I'm getting analyzed for it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: The right side was very fun to shoot.
Speaker: There's a lot of tight shots on that right side, though.
Speaker: And it's definitely you missed, you die.
Speaker: But I think overall, it's hard to base anything off the code that they have right now because it's 0.54.
Speaker: I think they had one whopping villain mode in there.
Speaker: It was Goldfinger, Antoine Bonds on the table getting the laser shot at him.
Speaker: And then you could do bird one multi-ball, which is up the middle.
Speaker: I never started a henchman mode because I could not hit that side ramp to save my life.
Speaker: I can't remember if I started one.
Speaker: I will say early, early, I found it interesting that
Speaker: This was Thursday, I think.
Speaker: So before other people came in there, because we were there early for flipping the script, I went over and played the pro.
Speaker: I don't know if I was the first person on it, but I GC'd it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And this was my first game that I hadn't really played.
Speaker: So they had that set up where I could find all the shots.
Speaker: So I was, you know, I was impressed with that.
Speaker: But I would leave this as I'm betting this will be a hit once the code is done.
Speaker: Right now, the code is still in the early stages.
Speaker: So you are, you're a beta tester.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: When I played Bond on the premium, I had dropped a score of 600 million.
Speaker: And I felt like I explored everything that was in the game up to that point.
Speaker: And it was fun.
Speaker: I enjoyed it.
Speaker: At least enjoyed the shots.
Speaker: I can't say anything about the code or whatnot.
Speaker: If they can fine-tune the code, I think the game will be fun.
Speaker: There was some other stuff that was pointed out like
Speaker: It's not very into the Bond universe yet, but then again, like I said, the code's so early.
Speaker: It's hard to judge how far we're... And it's Lonnie who's doing the code, right?
Speaker: So Lonnie did a great job with Star Trek.
Speaker: And Guardians, and...
Speaker: Yeah, people love Stranger Things.
Speaker: I'm not too terribly worried about it.
Speaker: Here's my thing.
Speaker: We're two months after the reveal.
Speaker: We still have the Keith L160th, which Gomez and L1 have both confirmed.
Speaker: It still hasn't been shown.
Speaker: Even if we go to two... We've done two reveals this year.
Speaker: Let's say for some other reasons, Stern next year is like, we're doing two more reveals.
Speaker: We're not doing the three cornerstones.
Speaker: Even if that happens again, let's say they reveal...
Speaker: anywhere from January to April, if that's the case, Bond might get passed up by that point because these games aren't getting really released.
Speaker: Like some are shipping out this month.
Speaker: they're making a lot and to be fair they are making more games now than they ever have but it's still not keeping up with demand yes but the second run so most of the first run doesn't go to homeowners right it goes to location yeah and even with le's and premiums getting out there it's still going to be a handful of people that are more uh
Speaker: more dedicated to the companies, I guess, than your regular, just I decided to randomly buy a pinball machine.
Speaker: So a lot of these aren't going to get into homes until April.
Speaker: If there's any other reveal that...
Speaker: heaven forbids like it l1 cornerstone i feel like it it may suffer yeah it's gonna suffer it may suffer if they can't sell while the interest is high and i would say the interest from when we've talked to a few a few distributors they haven't said it's low interest but they've also all admitted that it's less interest than they anticipated yeah i agree uh queen what'd you think queen
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Queen is pretty.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: My vibe on Queen is it feels like it was made in 1989.
Speaker: That bold?
Speaker: maybe 92.
Speaker: It felt like an early belly, belly Williams.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It felt like a belly Williams.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It felt like a belly, but it was early.
Speaker: And so it still didn't have like amazing shots.
Speaker: It had shots that worked, but, um, it looked professional.
Speaker: Uh, the artwork was better up close.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: It looked... I'm not sure that... And to be fair, the code was very rudimentary too.
Speaker: So I thought it was fun enough.
Speaker: It's a game that I would play on location.
Speaker: I am not a diehard Queen fan.
Speaker: And so I wouldn't plan on buying this for my house unless it had...
Speaker: like an iron maiden feel to it where the you know the layout blows me away and how many iron maiden fans are out there versus how many people love keith elwin's design yeah or you could say metallica too um there there are a lot of people who buy metallica who just love borg's layout yeah i think the other thing too both you and i are family men and we have young children
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: There's some naked booty on there.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: There's the, there's the fat bottom girls, uh, uh, orbit where you're like, wow, there's, there's, there's a naked girl riding a boat, a bike.
Speaker: I don't know if you got to this part of the code, but I actually got her to pop up on the screen and she, they shake her across the screen with all the glory.
Speaker: Oh yeah.
Speaker: No, I, yeah, I, I, I didn't, I played two balls.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: And it was okay.
Speaker: It was okay.
Speaker: I would say that it felt better than I thought it was going to.
Speaker: It shoots really well.
Speaker: You could tell Barry Ousler, a well-known designer that has done multiple pinball machines, was involved with it.
Speaker: I think my only real complaint, unless if they code in a skill shot on the left side, so there's two drop targets.
Speaker: There's one on the left and one on the right.
Speaker: And obviously, drop targets are kind of gatekeepers, right?
Speaker: For some odd reason, the one on the left that's gatekeeping the shot is like an inch or two up from the shot.
Speaker: So if you pull the plunger just right, you can actually plunge it up into behind the drop target up into the hole.
Speaker: But it wasn't giving a skill shot.
Speaker: I really think they need to turn that into a skill shot.
Speaker: And then you'll really feel like, oh, yeah, that was awesome.
Speaker: You know?
Speaker: Shots flowed really well.
Speaker: I enjoyed it.
Speaker: I mean, there was still some, like, clunk to it.
Speaker: I don't know what the... There's, like, a lion shot.
Speaker: on kind of the right side.
Speaker: I don't know if there's something that's like you have to open up that shot for the ball to go further in.
Speaker: It's like you'd shoot that shot and then it would just kind of dribble back out.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I don't know if that shot actually goes anywhere.
Speaker: So it may.
Speaker: Again, I had two balls on it.
Speaker: And that's pretty much all I played.
Speaker: I got far enough that I completed most of the game.
Speaker: So I was like, okay, but it was like, I think the code was like 0.4.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And then, well, the other problem too is, is it was, they were all set to two ball, but I kept getting extra balls.
Speaker: I don't know how it's getting extra balls.
Speaker: So my games are going on for a while.
Speaker: So I feel bad for the people standing behind me.
Speaker: I enjoyed it though.
Speaker: The music was good.
Speaker: The sound could be a little bit better, but you're taking live footage from the eighties, right?
Speaker: Yeah, so it felt theme appropriate.
Speaker: And this is the same thing I said about people complaining about the Bond artwork.
Speaker: I'm thinking this feels like a queen pinball machine that would have been made in 1988.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: Again, the clips are from that era.
Speaker: The art is from that era.
Speaker: And the layout felt like it was too.
Speaker: I felt like the band members were not enthused to be playing, telling you what to do in the pinball machine.
Speaker: Yeah, but how many... I mean, they try.
Speaker: I know, yeah.
Speaker: There's a reason why...
Speaker: There's a reason why having band members do call outs.
Speaker: It's a mixed blessing.
Speaker: Sometimes they nail it and other times like Metallica, the only guy who's into it is James Hatfield, but he's also the lead singer.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Who, who he is the, he's the voice of Metallica anyway.
Speaker: True.
Speaker: As opposed to Kurt Cobain or not Kurt Cobain, uh, Kurt Hammett.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Kurt Hammett.
Speaker: Who's just like, shoot that.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: And I don't, I'm not a voice actor either.
Speaker: There's a reason why you hire voice actors for stuff like that.
Speaker: Sure.
Speaker: Magic Girl.
Speaker: What'd you think of Magic Girl?
Speaker: It felt like a, it felt like a beta Circus Voltaire.
Speaker: I can, I'll give you that.
Speaker: Yeah, it's a pretty machine, but it still felt like a homebrew in that, yeah, it looks pretty.
Speaker: It had ramps.
Speaker: When I was playing it, I couldn't actually get it to go all the way up to the top of the playfield, even on a solid hit.
Speaker: Which is funny to me because multiple people had said that.
Speaker: Yeah, and you got it.
Speaker: Oh, I got it all the time.
Speaker: I had no issues.
Speaker: So I have a feeling there were times when there was more power draw that because I was hitting it cleanly and it wasn't going up.
Speaker: I don't know, but that's the other hard part too is in Magic Girl, I learned that the multiball is kind of hard to get to because you're trying to shoot those ramps.
Speaker: You have to light lock via the in and out lanes.
Speaker: So you got to shift through those.
Speaker: Once you've lit all four, then you shoot the ramp and then it diverts it to the left side.
Speaker: You do the four lights.
Speaker: It diverts it to the right side.
Speaker: You do the four lights.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: So you got to do this 12 times with the rollovers and then three shots to the ramps.
Speaker: And then it was a fun multiball, but I felt like multiball shouldn't be that hard to get to.
Speaker: Yeah, multiball should be more accessible.
Speaker: But it's a fun game.
Speaker: It's definitely not up to modern standards.
Speaker: I'll put it that way.
Speaker: No.
Speaker: Again, it felt like, hey, this is a trial run and Circus Voltaire is a better game.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But it does have that same Papa Duke filled everything.
Speaker: The code feels the same.
Speaker: Feels very poppy.
Speaker: You know, shoot the shot multiple times to spell, you know, potions and shoot the shot so many times to do locks.
Speaker: And it's...
Speaker: It was a good game.
Speaker: I would never spend $25,000 on this game.
Speaker: What did they say?
Speaker: Someone just bought one for $35,000 and is shipping it to the guys over in Europe and having them finish it for $25,000.
Speaker: So when everything's sitting down, it's like 60 grand for this game.
Speaker: It's a bragging right at that point.
Speaker: And that's Supreme.
Speaker: That's buying Supreme for $80,000.
Speaker: I mean, it's, it's not, that's a, that's someone who wants it for the novelty of having it as a production game in the current state.
Speaker: It would be, uh, it would be panned.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So still it was a fun game.
Speaker: I'm glad we were able to play it.
Speaker: It was fun.
Speaker: So it was fun to see it, I guess.
Speaker: Yeah, it was really fun to see it and see kind of that part of history, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Am I missing any games?
Speaker: The Mandotopper was there.
Speaker: Yeah, Mandalorian.
Speaker: So I still feel like that's... I'm glad they're trying different things for toppers.
Speaker: When you're getting to like 33% of the cost of a game, that's a steep thing.
Speaker: I don't think I'm going to get the Mandotopper.
Speaker: It's just, it's a little too steep for me.
Speaker: The, yeah, it looks cool.
Speaker: And they certainly put a lot of code into it.
Speaker: I still, when I compare what Stern's doing versus what CGC has done with their toppers, I wish Stern would do something more high quality like CGC toppers.
Speaker: And the attack from Mars topper is amazing.
Speaker: unbelievable the even the medieval madness topper it's static but it looks beautiful when you look at stern toppers they still look like walmart displays selling candy i agree so that's that's the downside um there is some some things about mando topper that were about playability but again some people like that some people don't like that oh there's part of a game i can't get to if i'm not
Speaker: spending the two grand.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I don't, I don't mind it, but to be fair, there's a lot of wizard modes.
Speaker: I never get to anyway.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So, so it's true.
Speaker: Why are you complaining about an extra mode for $2,000 when you came and get past the, even the mini wizard mode for some people, you know?
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So, uh, so that's my sick.
Speaker: We got one more game.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: I think this was about this was the best one.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Hands down.
Speaker: But the problem is, is it also is a tried and true layout.
Speaker: But yes, you lead us off.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So we were able to play Fathom.
Speaker: And my gosh, that is an amazing looking game.
Speaker: Holy crap.
Speaker: Haggis.
Speaker: Talk about really nailing it.
Speaker: That is a beautiful game.
Speaker: It feels like it has the old feel.
Speaker: So even, you know, the flippers from that era, like the 70s flippers, they're not like the quick flip flippers that Stern has now.
Speaker: They're a little slower.
Speaker: They...
Speaker: They were able to emulate those really well or replicate them, I guess.
Speaker: It's not emulating.
Speaker: They were able to replicate that feel.
Speaker: So it felt like I was playing a game that was resurrected from 1978.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: But the, you know, the lights were beautiful and the layout and the, and the production was beautiful.
Speaker: That was, I had the most fun playing that game.
Speaker: over all of the games there.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: It was definitely the one that when I finished, when I finished a game, it was the, I've got to play another game.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I got to keep getting further in this mermaid battle stuff.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I've got to figure this out.
Speaker: It was awesome.
Speaker: It was, it was a take my money.
Speaker: Like that's how I felt.
Speaker: Take my, shut up and take my money.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: I kind of want one now.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And the quality was amazing on it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I'm jealous.
Speaker: My friend Tony has a, has one on order.
Speaker: I want to thank Aaron from Fast Pinball.
Speaker: That is the actual name.
Speaker: Oh, absolutely.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And we want to have him on.
Speaker: That was super nice.
Speaker: I talked with him for about an hour.
Speaker: So not only did he donate product, he donated a color DMD.
Speaker: Essentially, it's an RGB DMD that they make.
Speaker: But they're the ones that brought Fathom.
Speaker: And then they brought all their own games emulated on the Fast Pinball system.
Speaker: So if you're into building your own homebrews and stuff like that, check out Fast Pinball.
Speaker: Because you can go through there and make your own games.
Speaker: They read on Whitewater and Funhouse.
Speaker: And this sounds like that's a lot what the Pugetri games are running off of.
Speaker: It is, yeah.
Speaker: They're associated with that.
Speaker: The haggis games are all running off of fast.
Speaker: So these are good quality boards that seem to be holding up.
Speaker: I don't see anything dropping out.
Speaker: We didn't have any issues of it seizing up or anything like that.
Speaker: um there was an addictive little thing in fathom that i kept doing and someone's like what was that causing it to do i'm like no it's just fun when the ball's drained you know how usually when you hit the get to go faster you hit the flippers together right yeah for some odd reason i don't know who coded this in if it was martin i'm gonna laugh but when you do it it gives like a big bass boom and so you kept hitting it's like boom boom boom
Speaker: It was hilarious, but it was so satisfying to do.
Speaker: I don't know what it was about it.
Speaker: It was just, yeah, your ball drains and you're like, I'm going to rage flip really quick and just make it sound like the game is just trying to blow up.
Speaker: I wish there were... The one layout thing that I love about Fathom is I love that the outlane and the inlane are reversed.
Speaker: And so it's non-intuitive.
Speaker: What you think is the outlane, it actually...
Speaker: like goes through a one way gate and, uh, and it doesn't drain and you can, if you time it right, you can actually hit it when you're going through the out lane and bring it over through that gate.
Speaker: If, if you can time it right, but it was, that was such a, a beautiful game.
Speaker: that I would rank that best in show just the way it looked and the way it played.
Speaker: Uh, that was the one, if I were to pack one up and, and take it out that day, it would, it would have been fathom.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: I agree.
Speaker: Uh, home brews.
Speaker: Did you dig into these at all?
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: So, um, a little bit, I, I, I kept trying to make my way back there and I kept getting distracted.
Speaker: Um, because it, sadly they're, they're always in the back.
Speaker: I, I played Sonic again, uh, still is a, a well themed integrated game.
Speaker: So that was my first time playing Sonic.
Speaker: I was giddy.
Speaker: Yeah, it was fun.
Speaker: They, they, he did such a good job of theme integration on that.
Speaker: Uh,
Speaker: I wish he had been able to incorporate a loop into because he was able to do the Sonic spinning up and then he shoots the ball out quickly.
Speaker: It would have been fun if he were able to incorporate a loop in there, but I understand there's reasons why you can't.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I think that was the only way he was getting a loop in there.
Speaker: It's like the medieval madness catapult shot, right?
Speaker: But you shoot it through a loop-de-loop.
Speaker: I was really enjoying it.
Speaker: It was a really fun game.
Speaker: I didn't get to play it till Saturday night at like 1130.
Speaker: It always had someone on it.
Speaker: And the guy is a long playing game because it's not it's it's a nice layout, but they need they'll need to make it a little more tough for a production game.
Speaker: Well, my understanding is they don't have a plan on reproducing it just yet.
Speaker: Sure.
Speaker: But no, I'm just saying that if they, if they use that layout, not necessarily with Sonic, then they're going to have to, to tighten up the shots a little bit because they're a little too easy to find.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Right now.
Speaker: So here's, here's my problem with the homebrew.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Uh,
Speaker: all the games were fantastic.
Speaker: They were enjoyable, but if you're going for the American dream, yeah, none of those games can fit in that category.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And the two that I found very fun to play, um, we're actually from, and I'm sorry, I wish I remember the guy's name.
Speaker: Uh, I, I, I talked with Joe Lemire about him and, uh, he, he had, he's the one who did frozen.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: And he also did the, I think it was like,
Speaker: haunted cruise or ghost ship or something like that.
Speaker: But it was, it was definitely a pinball 2000 vibe.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It had that type of integration and it would, it was really cool.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But you're right.
Speaker: I'm not sure.
Speaker: And these are hobby games.
Speaker: I'm not sure how they would translate to a manufactured option.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But you kind of hit the nail on the head.
Speaker: Like you have these frozen in that other game where like pinball 2000, they had the monitors built in.
Speaker: Americans are going to make those.
Speaker: They're not going to revamp the system just for those trash land.
Speaker: That's akin to like pinball circus.
Speaker: If you don't know about pinball circus, it's a pinball machine, essentially an arcade cabinet goes up instead of you're, they're not going to make a custom build like that.
Speaker: It's a gimmick game.
Speaker: And pinball circus is a gimmick game.
Speaker: Like last time I was at the pinball hall of fame, they were actually cleaning it or something.
Speaker: So I didn't get to play it.
Speaker: But then the games that were even near normal, not normal, sorry, manufacturer ready, right?
Speaker: We're re themes.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Like someone brought a Deadpool,
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And incorporated the, well, they, yeah.
Speaker: And they incorporate the movie clips.
Speaker: I recognized it was different code because you could change the skill shot.
Speaker: Oh, because on Deadpool, you can't.
Speaker: But from the looks of it, it looked like the only difference if you didn't play it, like the only difference was just the back class.
Speaker: And you're like, someone's trolling us, right?
Speaker: Like, yeah, they brought a Deadpool and was like, I made a homebrew.
Speaker: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker: He basically chopped movie, movie themes and put it in there.
Speaker: But like congratulations to Jake Danzig.
Speaker: He won best in show and it was a rethemed.
Speaker: He did Dukes of Hazzard.
Speaker: Oh yeah.
Speaker: They're not going to make that because it's a solid state from the 80s.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And that's a beautiful game too.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Very beautiful game.
Speaker: Amazing game.
Speaker: Jake, thanks for sharing that one with us.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: Let's move on.
Speaker: We're past the hour mark.
Speaker: We are.
Speaker: Let's do a quick summary on pinball Olympics.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Really enjoyed it.
Speaker: Yeah, it was fun.
Speaker: I actually did the running challenge this time.
Speaker: I am not a runner.
Speaker: So this is fat boy running on a treadmill that's going way too fast.
Speaker: 10 miles an hour is what they had to do.
Speaker: Yeah, so that's a sprint.
Speaker: And I was playing Junkyard.
Speaker: And actually, I probably could have made it to the finals.
Speaker: because I started multi-ball
Speaker: But I drained right when I started it.
Speaker: And I was exhausted.
Speaker: So I'm like, you know what?
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So I drained and I stopped and then started spitting out balls.
Speaker: But I'm like, I don't think I had enough in the tank to keep running at 10 miles an hour and playing a multi-ball.
Speaker: I was just dog tired.
Speaker: So that took a lot out of me.
Speaker: I didn't get to play some of the games.
Speaker: I didn't get a medal.
Speaker: I wanted to get a medal.
Speaker: But I only really had the chance to play
Speaker: probably about half of the games once.
Speaker: And I did, maybe not even half the games, probably a third of the games.
Speaker: And the one that I had the most chance of actually winning on was the one where you're looking through a glass, you're looking straight ahead, but it has a 45 degree mirror.
Speaker: And so you can see.
Speaker: And so that was the one that I had.
Speaker: I mean, I probably had like five shots on that one.
Speaker: But always fun.
Speaker: Linemen in the Olympics.
Speaker: Tacos were amazing.
Speaker: Tacos were great.
Speaker: Everybody had a good time.
Speaker: And it's a carnival atmosphere.
Speaker: If you're going to Expo, if you plan on going to Expo next year, you have to do yourself a favor and get yourself a ticket for pinball lives.
Speaker: Do the pinball Olympics.
Speaker: The shuttle was a great idea, too.
Speaker: So people who rode the shuttle were able to, they were also able to drink adult beverages and as much as they wanted.
Speaker: And then they didn't have to worry about driving home unsafe.
Speaker: So...
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: They were able to drink responsibly.
Speaker: That was a nice option too.
Speaker: The first game that we played was Vortex, which is black hole inside of, if you've ever been to carnivals, you walk across the catwalk in the spinning tunnel and it totally throws you off.
Speaker: I don't know what it was.
Speaker: The tunnel was not
Speaker: bothering me at all.
Speaker: I had my head down.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: You were zoned in.
Speaker: I was zoned in.
Speaker: I know what to do on black hole.
Speaker: I don't know why I've, I've practiced it a handful of times.
Speaker: Uh, I almost rolled the machine.
Speaker: I got up over 900,000 or no, it was a little, a little under 900,000.
Speaker: Didn't you get, didn't you get gold on that?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I was, no one even came close.
Speaker: So like one guy walks up to me, he's like, dude, that's a good,
Speaker: like score normally, like not inside of a, I just, I kept going.
Speaker: It was, I got in the groove.
Speaker: It was like our first game.
Speaker: So I was like, I'm done.
Speaker: But, um, we did really well on Metallica.
Speaker: Uh, and it was Julie that was giving us crap.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: So you're, so your coworker, Julie came to the same convention.
Speaker: She, she went to pinball Olympics with us and we did, if you're not familiar with Metallica, there's two of them side by side.
Speaker: It's hilarious.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And that far left, that far left target, the one that you kind of shoot up into that channel and hit the target is hooked up to the other tilt Bob on the other machine.
Speaker: So the, the, the strategy here is because you got to play four on four, uh, you've got to tilt out the other team before they tilts you out.
Speaker: And if you're going for it, you keep in that tilt over and over.
Speaker: We had tilted out the whole team and I was on ball two.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I'm like, yes, I'm going for the high score.
Speaker: Now I want to get metal on Metallica because this is like an epic game.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Uh, Julie was not having it.
Speaker: She kept getting back on just to mess with us.
Speaker: I tilted her out nine times in a row.
Speaker: I kept tilting her out too.
Speaker: It was hilarious.
Speaker: And the only reason I didn't tilt her anymore is because I drained because I wasn't paying attention.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And yeah, it was, it was pretty awesome.
Speaker: So yeah, no, I, I love the, that's such a creative way of doing it.
Speaker: So yeah.
Speaker: uh pinball olympics was amazing got back on saturday night uh i don't even remember what we did saturday night i guess we cleaned up uh saturday night we just kind of cleaned up we had pizza and uh yeah we went lumenaldi's yeah yeah uh i personally me i like giro donos more
Speaker: I actually thought they were both fine, but I like Mark Silk got a thin crust and I had a bite of his, you know, a slice of his little small pizza.
Speaker: And I'm like, I think I like that thin crust.
Speaker: Really?
Speaker: Don't tell anyone.
Speaker: I won't tell anyone.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So that's pretty much our expo.
Speaker: You came home on Sunday.
Speaker: I hung around because my flight wasn't leaving till four.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I flew out Sunday morning at seven 30.
Speaker: I was home at 10 o'clock.
Speaker: So tournament was still going.
Speaker: Uh, it was fun to go there, sit and chit chat with that group.
Speaker: Cause it's the groups kind of separate, right?
Speaker: Like you're either there for the convention or you're there for the tournament.
Speaker: It was nice hanging out with Josh and Zach Sharp, uh, giving them grief.
Speaker: over the tournament and whatnot, hanging out with Jen Rupert.
Speaker: She was in there as well.
Speaker: It was just fun.
Speaker: It was kind of a nice, chill way to finish out Expo and see everything, I feel like.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I am going to go out on limits and say I actually prefer Pinball Expo more than I like Texas.
Speaker: And the reason being is I feel like – You didn't have to wait in line.
Speaker: Didn't have to wait in line.
Speaker: It is still kind of that pinball reunion, right?
Speaker: You get a little different group of people there.
Speaker: But yeah, I didn't feel pressured to play the games because you could kind of get on any game you wanted at that point.
Speaker: And at Texas, I swore the shortest line was like two, three people deep.
Speaker: Yeah, it took a long time to get on the games at Texas.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I agree with you.
Speaker: If you want to play Ryu's Nightmare, just waddle right up to it.
Speaker: You might have one person in front of you.
Speaker: So I think it's a better experience.
Speaker: I actually like the food better in Chicago.
Speaker: Um, maybe it's cause I have to have a car.
Speaker: I really do.
Speaker: I feel like we did Uber it a little bit, but there's nothing within walking distance.
Speaker: So you're either going to Uber it or, or drive a car.
Speaker: Yeah, but people didn't know about this either.
Speaker: And maybe I shouldn't announce this because it's easy.
Speaker: There's a shuttle from the hotel and they'll take you three miles in any direction you want to go.
Speaker: Sure.
Speaker: And that's true.
Speaker: But then you, it is, there is a convenience of I'm booking an Uber and it shows up in five minutes.
Speaker: Yeah, but you just tell the, you tell the shuttle, I'm, Hey, I need to leave at nine or whatever.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It wasn't that big of a deal.
Speaker: And I felt like I only sat for maybe 10 minutes at most for the shuttle.
Speaker: Yeah, they don't.
Speaker: They don't run on weekends, though.
Speaker: Oh, that's true.
Speaker: So Saturday, you're SOL.
Speaker: But if you're doing pinball Olympics, it doesn't matter anyway.
Speaker: So but yeah, take advantage of that.
Speaker: Take advantage of the shuttle and they'll pick you up from locations as well.
Speaker: So we did have some questions on the, we, we, we sent out a, a thing that's talking about questions.
Speaker: Do you want to do these questions now or do you want to push them off for two weeks?
Speaker: No, let's, let's do them really quick.
Speaker: Cause I, last time I looked, there was only like three, wasn't there?
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So Julie asks, what do you think of bond pro or premium?
Speaker: Pro.
Speaker: I would probably save the money and go with pro.
Speaker: Uh, the, however, I think that if you want the bells and whistles, I don't think you're going to be penalized for getting the premium.
Speaker: I just don't think it's worth $2,500 more.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Um, if CGC, this is Brad Hunter of lit frames.
Speaker: If CGC moved away from the remakes, what titles would you want them to make?
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: There's at least, there used to be a list of five or six remakes they mentioned of making, including Theater Magic, Toten, I believe.
Speaker: I still hope they make those.
Speaker: I think CGC is trying to find that middle ground because they make excellent remakes.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: The four remakes they have made are solid.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And they're coveted.
Speaker: So you can sell them.
Speaker: They're proven commodities.
Speaker: Other games that I would definitely make if I were them, I would do my best to figure out if I can do Adam's Family.
Speaker: Like figure out something.
Speaker: And the bottom line is the answer to all your questions is money.
Speaker: And there will be a fee that people will be willing to accept to remake that game.
Speaker: I think CGC moves away from remakes.
Speaker: And the reason being, we're seeing more and more of these 2.0 kits.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I think they're cheaper to produce.
Speaker: I think soon enough, the market's going to be saturated with those.
Speaker: I mean, we had like three come out this year, three or four.
Speaker: Yeah, but they're retheming old games.
Speaker: So I don't, I think CGC still has a good market.
Speaker: They would sell theater magic.
Speaker: They would sell Adam's family.
Speaker: They would sell twilight zone if they made that.
Speaker: Yeah, true.
Speaker: They would sell Indiana Jones pinball adventures that they made that.
Speaker: Speaking, sorry, you were talking about Twilight Zone reminded me of something at Expo.
Speaker: So we always say, hey, it's hard.
Speaker: Twilight Zone is a wide body, so it's out of the realm.
Speaker: I can't attest to this for CGC, but we did talk about this with Jersey Jack Pinball when we were doing the tour.
Speaker: Thanks to Ken Cromwell, he gave us a tour, and we talked a little bit about the designs.
Speaker: And yeah, he had a rotisserie, and specifically,
Speaker: i mean they were all making standard bodies yeah but and they've they've made wide bodies too so he's like it's you know you can scale up and down depending on what you want to make yeah as he says it's not impossible it's not like they have to retool the whole line in or anything like that those rotisseries are a size for wide bodies they just use them for their standard bodies right now so it would not be hard wink wink to go back to some of their old stuff like pirates of the caribbean yeah
Speaker: They weren't promising they'd do that.
Speaker: He didn't say that, but he said he could, they could make wide bodies if they wanted to.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: But what I'm saying is it's okay.
Speaker: That is not JJP endorsed.
Speaker: What I'm saying is it's not hard.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: When, when you hear on a podcast, Oh, they probably won't do pirates because it's a wide body.
Speaker: That's not the case.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: The white body is not the issue.
Speaker: Um, yeah, theater magic.
Speaker: I think whitewater, uh, their version of whitewater would be amazing.
Speaker: And so there's still at least five or six games.
Speaker: However, eventually, if they keep going down that road, you're going to run out of titles.
Speaker: So you have to transition if you want to be not just a tribute band company.
Speaker: Will there be a Back to the Future pinball machine?
Speaker: If so, which manufacturer and when?
Speaker: I'll answer that.
Speaker: Go ahead.
Speaker: I want to say more than likely.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: If there is one made, it's going to be Stern because when we talked to Joe Camacown last year on the interview, he has some vested interest in back to the future, like the Broadway musical or whatever.
Speaker: So he has some sway with that license.
Speaker: So it comes down to Stern when I bet if they do come out with one, it's in the next five years.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I would say it's certainly on the list of things that people would like to see, but I would add to that Lord of the Rings vault, um, Tron vault, like other things, Harry Potter, obviously.
Speaker: Um, there's a lot of wishlist stuff on there too.
Speaker: True.
Speaker: I just feel like back to the future because of the sway that Joe has at Stern is more than likely than those other three.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: Nathan Smith asked most underrated Valley Williams titles.
Speaker: That could be like a whole discussion.
Speaker: Really?
Speaker: What's your number one underrated?
Speaker: You know, I, I think no fear is fun.
Speaker: I do.
Speaker: I think no fear is fun.
Speaker: It's just shooting ramps.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And so it's when I say, is it the best game?
Speaker: No, but I had fun playing it.
Speaker: I feel like there's one that's more underrated than that.
Speaker: I feel like Flintstones is very underrated.
Speaker: Oh, geez.
Speaker: That's a turd.
Speaker: It's not a turd.
Speaker: It shoots good.
Speaker: It's got some really good and interesting modes.
Speaker: Is it fantastic?
Speaker: No, no, but I, I feel like it is underrated for what it is.
Speaker: My one of my, I think that's underrated revenge for Mars.
Speaker: I feel like it does.
Speaker: Oh yeah.
Speaker: I agree.
Speaker: I actually like revenge for Mars.
Speaker: My, my friend has, has a beautiful one and I love playing it because it's just fun.
Speaker: It's funny.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's a great game.
Speaker: If you can find a revenge for Mars, get your hands on one.
Speaker: Cause they are a blast.
Speaker: If you wear a size XL shirt in America, what size do you wear in Australia?
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I'll tell my experience about U2.
Speaker: I, we went to U2 in Ireland, humble brag to watch the, the Joshua tree tour like five years ago, you know, 2017.
Speaker: And I wanted a shirt.
Speaker: So I bought an XL shirt and it was a Smedium.
Speaker: I looked like a stuffed sausage in it and not in an attractive way.
Speaker: So I took it back.
Speaker: I'm like, I need something different.
Speaker: This is not going to work.
Speaker: So I ended up with a jacket.
Speaker: So I would say that an XL in American size, I don't know if they make that in Australian size.
Speaker: You may have to ask...
Speaker: Like, you know, like Marty or I don't know.
Speaker: I've got to tell you the backstory behind this because you don't know this shit.
Speaker: I don't.
Speaker: So Doug won some items from flipping the script on autism.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Thank you for supporting, Doug.
Speaker: We really appreciate it.
Speaker: So Doug messages me.
Speaker: He's like, I'm a Husky man.
Speaker: So I at least need like an extra large, maybe a double XL.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: And I'm like, okay, dude.
Speaker: Well, Haggis had sent us all the stuff beforehand because they tried to package it in as least amount of packages as they could.
Speaker: So I pull out the shirt and I'm like, Doug, this thing is 5XL.
Speaker: Oh.
Speaker: And he's like, yeah, I'm not that big.
Speaker: Give it to someone else.
Speaker: But I'm like, Doug, hold on.
Speaker: I have a Haggis shirt.
Speaker: So I bought like the club.
Speaker: You know how a big Spooky has their fan club?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Club Haggis, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: To support them.
Speaker: I asked for an extra large and I, it was like a medium, right?
Speaker: Like I felt like a stuffed sausage in it.
Speaker: So it sits on the rack in my, my closet.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Just smiling at me.
Speaker: And I told him like, dude, this is the situation.
Speaker: He's like, actually five XL might actually fit.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So I'd send that.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: That makes sense.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I was like, that's a totally random comment.
Speaker: So Doug will have to tell us when he gets the shirt.
Speaker: If it, if five XL is the way to go, if you're an American in Australia, there you go.
Speaker: I think that does it for our questions.
Speaker: Oh, sorry.
Speaker: One last question.
Speaker: Let's end on this one.
Speaker: Is this lineup, in this lineup, what would be the sixth machine?
Speaker: So if you had a Star Wars, a Metallica, a Stranger Things, a Rush, and a Godzilla.
Speaker: And there's like big medieval madness banner behind it.
Speaker: Are you keeping with the theme?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Are you keeping the theme of Stern?
Speaker: If you're doing Stern, maybe a Deadpool.
Speaker: Jurassic Park in this lineup.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Let me see.
Speaker: Well, okay.
Speaker: So you have an Elwin, you have a Borg, you have an Eddie, you have another Borg and you have a Richie.
Speaker: So yeah, I think you have two Borgs.
Speaker: And so I would, I'm saying go with the Gomez, go with the Deadpool.
Speaker: I think I'd get Deadpool.
Speaker: Or get the medieval madness because that's apparently what you enjoy on the back wall there.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And that's even the Brian Eddy banner.
Speaker: That's the translation.
Speaker: You mean the Brian Allen?
Speaker: Sorry.
Speaker: Brian Allen translate.
Speaker: That's what I have in my game.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, I'd probably get Deadpool if you're sticking with Stern.
Speaker: But obviously Medieval Madness is my family's favorite.
Speaker: So stop moving.
Speaker: Yeah, I don't blame you there.
Speaker: Speaking of which, I'm actually kind of updating all my stuff.
Speaker: I sold my giant mnemonic and my Earthshaker and picked up a Guardians Pro.
Speaker: I'm going to go over this really quickly.
Speaker: Really enjoying it.
Speaker: I didn't realize how easy the game is, though.
Speaker: I don't know if it's my skill level.
Speaker: I don't know if it's just I'm getting in the groove with it.
Speaker: The rubber banes on the outlands.
Speaker: That's what it is.
Speaker: My 10th game, I dropped 1.9 billion on the game.
Speaker: I finished the game.
Speaker: I have not been to save Xandar yet.
Speaker: Sorry.
Speaker: I haven't completed all the way, but I did do the Emulsion Initiative, I think is what it's called, and completed that.
Speaker: Apparently, when you complete that,
Speaker: if you haven't gotten all the modes 100 so it's like you got to get like the double supers and orb and root multi-ball if you don't do those things when you finish emulsion it drains you and says game over and congratulates you so at 1.9 billion i was like oh i'll finish up this mode and then i want you save xandar and the one it drained out and was like you're done i was like oh okay
Speaker: I am really enjoying it.
Speaker: But just to let you know, for those that are maybe of a less skill level, I think you really love this game in your lineup.
Speaker: So you're going to say, I'm going to like it.
Speaker: I think you're going to love it.
Speaker: It's a really fun game.
Speaker: It definitely is a Borg.
Speaker: The shots feel like they should.
Speaker: The ramps don't feel like it.
Speaker: They come right back at your face really quickly.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I don't know why it is about Borg and putting ramps in the weirdest spots, but they just don't feel like they should be where they're at.
Speaker: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: I think we should wrap it up.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: If you want to get ahold of us, we are loser kid pinball podcast at gmail.com.
Speaker: You can get ahold of us on the socials at loser kid pinball on Facebook, Twitch, Twitter, and Instagram.
Speaker: If the easiest way to get ahold of us is through Facebook messenger or through the Gmail.
Speaker: I'm finding out that it's a lot easier to get ahold of us on that as well.
Speaker: If you did get items from flipping the script on autism and you have not received them yet,
Speaker: Everyone is either shipped or is preparing to ship.
Speaker: So I'm getting a lot of emails.
Speaker: People have received their stuff.
Speaker: I'm getting emails of, I haven't heard anything.
Speaker: I promise you your items are leaving their areas.
Speaker: I know Stern's still working on getting, they donated a lot of stuff, guys.
Speaker: It was ridiculous.
Speaker: And thank you again to Stern and to all those that donated all that amazing stuff.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Once again, we'll see you in two weeks, right?
Speaker: See you in two weeks.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: And if you guys went to Expo, let us know what you thought.
Speaker: Shut up and sit down.
