Transcript
Speaker: Thanks for tuning in to the Loser Kid Pinball Podcast.
Speaker: We are on episode 93.
Speaker: I am Josh Roop.
Speaker: With me, my co-captain, as always... Scott Larson.
Speaker: And Scott, I feel a little deja vu today.
Speaker: Can we explain to the listeners what's going on?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So we recorded a little bit yesterday.
Speaker: I had a pretty packed schedule yesterday since I worked overnight.
Speaker: And so we had to record in the morning.
Speaker: And we also...
Speaker: I had to get kids off to school.
Speaker: And so we had about 30 minutes and then we were having some recording issues.
Speaker: So we had grainy pictures of Bond and we talked about it, but we were like, okay, well, we'll just wrap it up.
Speaker: So 24 hours later,
Speaker: we see some gameplay and we see a little more and we're like, you know what?
Speaker: We, it already sounds dated.
Speaker: And so we're just going to rerecord.
Speaker: And that way you get the, uh, the fresh, the very fresh.
Speaker: So fresh and so clean, clean as outcast was one sense.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Before we get into it, though, let's talk about Flipping the Script.
Speaker: Also tied to Flipping Out Pinball because Flipping Out Pinball is one of the sponsors for Flipping the Script.
Speaker: Nicole and Zach love the kids, and they are donating items to our charity for kids with autism, and we're so excited to have them along.
Speaker: It's been a thrill of a ride.
Speaker: The Pinball Network has been fantastic.
Speaker: But if you want that new pinball machine, if you want...
Speaker: Before prices go up, give Zach a call.
Speaker: He posted a list yesterday.
Speaker: And on that list, a bunch of brand new machines in box.
Speaker: You're going to want to get some of these before they go out.
Speaker: I know that Star Wars is the last run.
Speaker: Led Zeppelin's the last run.
Speaker: Once these are gone, they're gone.
Speaker: Give him a call.
Speaker: Give him and Nicole a call.
Speaker: Give them a message.
Speaker: That's how I do it.
Speaker: I do it through Facebook Messenger.
Speaker: That's the best way for me.
Speaker: And get some of these games in your home before they go up in price in January.
Speaker: Also, give them your condolences because Zach is going in for back surgery this week.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Ooh.
Speaker: Yes, I've only had one warranty issue with all the new in-box games I bought, which before Zach, I'd never bought new in-box except for a Monster Bash.
Speaker: And I will tell you, Zach made it easy.
Speaker: I had to just send a couple of pictures.
Speaker: It was quick.
Speaker: Man, he just he took care of me like it was his own home and it was amazing.
Speaker: So and the issue was all just lickety split.
Speaker: So, yeah, same.
Speaker: And and now that Greg Bones kind of taken that over, I was having issues with Rush and he pulled his opto out of his Rush machine to send it to me.
Speaker: And so I just barely got that.
Speaker: And so I'm going to send that back off to Greg so they can repurpose that too.
Speaker: But yeah, all the warranty issues that I've ever had to go through with Zach, he's taking care of it.
Speaker: So.
Speaker: I gotta say the warranty issues on these games are astounding because like for how many moving parts and different things that go through manufacturing it, I found very little problem with my Sterns.
Speaker: Stern and Chicago gaming company seem to have that mix where they have very few issues.
Speaker: And I would say in the same conversation as Jersey Jack, right?
Speaker: And so I have full confidence in buying from those manufacturers.
Speaker: Other ones, it's a little bit more of a startup, a smaller company.
Speaker: You're going to expect a little bit more variation and some help from them.
Speaker: But I love going through a dealer because it does help out if there are any issues.
Speaker: Yes, I feel like there's more communication there.
Speaker: Speaking of new Stearns, last time we recorded, Bond had kind of leaked, was kind of showing, not showing.
Speaker: Grainy photos, then real photos.
Speaker: Yeah, and then they're like, we can't release it because of the Queen, even though nothing else changed.
Speaker: Anywho, but we finally have photos and now video.
Speaker: Actual official video from Pinball News of UK.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: How do you feel about this now, Scott?
Speaker: Um...
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I got to ask you, did your impression go up or did it go down after, after we get official reveal, we get a teaser or an actual full trailer.
Speaker: And now the video has, has your opinion.
Speaker: Cause when we last talked, yeah, I was kind of down on it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Um, okay.
Speaker: I will actually say way up.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I still am frustrated over the challenges with the way the reveal happened.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: I'm going to assume the outlier here is the license holder.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Because there's no incentive for Stern to do it the way they did or to hold off or pull back.
Speaker: There's no incentive.
Speaker: But for the licensor to put the brakes on, what can you do?
Speaker: They're the ones who hold the license.
Speaker: And we saw this before.
Speaker: We've seen it with the R2D2 pinball topper.
Speaker: The bottom line is the people who are controlling this license, any license, they have no concept on like they're just used to releasing things whenever they want to release them.
Speaker: So they don't really have this anticipated fan base that, I mean, how many Bond people were really chomping at the bit to see a Bond pinball machine?
Speaker: Not many that I know of.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: But versus how many pinball enthusiasts were chomping at the bit?
Speaker: Not very many.
Speaker: Well, maybe.
Speaker: But I think that just the licensor just getting involved and saying, no, we want to do it on this timeline.
Speaker: And I still stick to the queen dying and them delaying it.
Speaker: That seems to be a good cover story.
Speaker: But it doesn't seem to fit everything else.
Speaker: Well, and what's funny to me is listening to the Stern Insider podcast.
Speaker: If you haven't checked that out, I highly recommend it.
Speaker: It was George Gomez and Mike Vinicor of Stern Pinball.
Speaker: Don't worry.
Speaker: It's not behind a paywall.
Speaker: Just sign up for your free account.
Speaker: You can listen to it.
Speaker: But George did say that this licensor was one of the most protective licensors they've ever worked with.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Which is saying something because they've worked with some pretty protective licensors.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Disney, Marvel, Star Wars.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And so I, like, I, I actually, I, I'm, I'm trying to give Stern a big break on this just because I don't think that they had any control over how things, um, how things happened.
Speaker: And I, I, I don't fault them for it.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: So my question to you is now that we've seen the photos and the video, it just kind of dawned on me.
Speaker: One of the reasons we thought that they had pushed back the release was the licensor saw the leaked photos, got mad, and was like, we're done.
Speaker: You push it back 10 days.
Speaker: I doubt that.
Speaker: But I half wonder if...
Speaker: They set it up at IAPA in England.
Speaker: The licensor was there, put some time on it, and realized this is bare bones because we've watched the video and the code is pretty, it's still playable.
Speaker: It is.
Speaker: It's very bare bones.
Speaker: It's very bare bones.
Speaker: And so the licensor is like, this isn't even ready to show yet.
Speaker: I don't know if the licensor is, I don't think the licensor knows enough about pinball.
Speaker: to know if it's a good game or not.
Speaker: It's the same thing.
Speaker: Didn't when we talked to Ed about rush and he said rush contacted him and said, Hey, we know nothing about pinball.
Speaker: We just want to make sure it's a good game.
Speaker: So can you help us out?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, Robert plant had no clue.
Speaker: Like, why is there even like someone speaking in the pinball machine?
Speaker: Why must the pinball machine talk?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That's what Steve Ritchie said.
Speaker: So it's, I,
Speaker: I don't, uh, I, I'm, I think they just are oblivious and they just don't care.
Speaker: They have their own timeline.
Speaker: Maybe.
Speaker: So let's go over the photos really quick.
Speaker: What do you think of the artwork?
Speaker: Cause that was the original impression.
Speaker: It looked, I'm not going to, I'm not going to put nicely.
Speaker: It looked like a turd.
Speaker: I'm not going to lie.
Speaker: Like, okay.
Speaker: The challenge though, go ahead.
Speaker: I want, I want you to give your take and then I'll give you my take.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So originally I was not a fan of any of this after listening to Insider and realizing that a lot of the artwork is from posters from the 60s that were yellowing, that they had to scan in and then an artist had to make it cohesively go together.
Speaker: It doesn't make the artwork any better, but it has a better appreciation for how it got put together.
Speaker: Looking at the artwork, I don't mind the play field as much.
Speaker: it's still the cabinet artwork that throws me off.
Speaker: I'm not a huge fan of the translates.
Speaker: I'm not a huge fan of the, the, the cabinet.
Speaker: Uh, I get that the never die twice or always die twice or whatever has bond twice.
Speaker: You only live twice has him not even piloting the car or the, the airplane, whatever.
Speaker: That was part of the, the 60 stick, right?
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Uh,
Speaker: And that was him smoking a cigarette as he jumped out of like a fake alligator suit with a tuxedo.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: And so that right side of the cabinet's what kills me.
Speaker: These movie posters, I don't fully understand why we're trying to make this look like the inside of a rundown movie theater.
Speaker: Other than that, though, I do enjoy the art for the way they were able to make it cohesive on the play field.
Speaker: But it still does remind me of 2000s Stern Photoshop, where when we're talking about like Austin Powers or Tron or but those games like Tron and and well, I'm going to use Tron as my main example.
Speaker: That game transcends the artwork.
Speaker: So a lot of people who would prefer more different artwork are still fine with the Photoshopiness of it.
Speaker: So that's my take is if the game makes up for the artwork, I probably, even though I'm going to go, you're rough to look at, I still would be happy to play the game.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So what are your thoughts?
Speaker: The art is period appropriate.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: And that is a direct reflection on what the licensor wanted.
Speaker: Because I guarantee if they wanted a new interpretation of Bond poses, and we've seen Christopher Franchi do so many of these things.
Speaker: Yeah, he did Goldfinger.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And he was amazing.
Speaker: It looks great.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: It is.
Speaker: However, that is obviously not what the licensor wanted in this.
Speaker: They wanted to go with the very retro feel, which is why we have the retro feel.
Speaker: And so they went with that.
Speaker: And I actually don't think it's that lazy.
Speaker: I think it actually looks fine.
Speaker: The left side with Dr. No, okay, just the picture.
Speaker: But on You Only Live Twice, I think it looks kind of cool.
Speaker: And the Thunderball people were...
Speaker: Talking about Thunderbolt, actually, okay, it kind of reminds me of Fathom, but still, it looks pretty cool.
Speaker: I love the color.
Speaker: I dig the color scheme.
Speaker: And so the only thing I can possibly say is that wasn't Stern's direction.
Speaker: They had to do what the licensor wanted.
Speaker: And I actually find this fine.
Speaker: It feels like a 1960s feel.
Speaker: The Beatles has a very similar vibe, and it's kind of that 60s vibe.
Speaker: But Franchi did such a great job on.
Speaker: I did.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: But it's the, yeah, it's, this is what we need to remember is that the licensor is King.
Speaker: They, they have direct directorial control over all this stuff.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And so like, I don't mind the artwork.
Speaker: I, at least it's not grainy.
Speaker: It's not like Lord of the Rings where you can barely see Frodo's face.
Speaker: Cause he's so pixelated.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, the artist they brought in did fantastic.
Speaker: He was able to make it cohesive and it all looks updated.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I'm not saying it looks like a new version.
Speaker: It still has that.
Speaker: The play field still has a little bit of that lunchbox feel.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Or if you were to buy a Bond t-shirt in Walmart or Hot Topic.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: It feels like that type of stuff.
Speaker: And so that is, that's what you're going to get.
Speaker: Now they, so Zach and Dennis talked about this.
Speaker: Where is Goldfinger?
Speaker: He's on the play field.
Speaker: He's one of the villains.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: But that is like, that's the, that's an iconic, like, seriously, you only live twice.
Speaker: I mean, it's fine, but Thunderbolt.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: But,
Speaker: Like we went through the six movies on the play field and you have diamonds are forever.
Speaker: You only live twice.
Speaker: Thunderball Goldfinger from Russia with love and Dr. No.
Speaker: So why did they choose those three?
Speaker: And again, I can only think of why didn't the licensor go with Goldfinger?
Speaker: I would argue that Goldfinger is the most recognizable Sean Connery movie of the Bond series, if not the most recognizable of all the Bond movies.
Speaker: It's pretty much what Dr. Evil from Austin Powers was based on.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, it's mixed with Dr. No.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, so it's, okay, so are we going to see a Catwoman edition?
Speaker: Are we going to see a Lucy edition?
Speaker: Are we going to see a premium variant art package?
Speaker: It wouldn't shock me.
Speaker: It's up their alley in my opinion.
Speaker: That's where I think I'm going with this because the licensor has shown a willingness to deviate from standard protocol.
Speaker: And standard protocol is you only release one version of the game.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: And that's the option.
Speaker: And you have three tiers.
Speaker: You have Pro Premium LE.
Speaker: Well, we do have that fourth tier.
Speaker: We'll get into that here.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: But we're going to get into that fourth tier.
Speaker: But it's like they're willing to roll the dice and saying, hey, we want to do something more with Bond.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So the art, I actually think, looks fine.
Speaker: And I think it will be a non-factor in the future.
Speaker: I agree.
Speaker: I think Lonnie Ropp has proven, even though his code out the gate is usually not fully fleshed out, by the end of the cycle, it is a very desirable game.
Speaker: Look at Guardians of the Galaxy.
Speaker: Look at Stranger Things.
Speaker: Don't sleep on this game.
Speaker: I think you watched the video earlier.
Speaker: And the flow on this is great.
Speaker: Watching the shots that the person's making in the video, really good.
Speaker: I still do believe that left side is not used to its fullest potential, but there's still some cool shots.
Speaker: That orbit that goes into a ramp, the missile shot, the drop targets that kind of hide that missile, and then that up the middle spinner, not spinner, sorry, the up the middle that comes back around to the top flipper.
Speaker: I'm not a huge fan of the up kicker though with the site window.
Speaker: I just, I don't get it.
Speaker: I don't that whole it's on stranger things as well.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's just not my cup of tea.
Speaker: So it felt like the gameplay when I watched was this was like if Deadpool and monster bash got married and had a baby.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Good point.
Speaker: I like that.
Speaker: It feels there's a lot of Deadpool elements in this, which is why I'm thinking, um,
Speaker: Well, I mean, there's, there's that vibe.
Speaker: Deadpool felt very Spartan when it first came out.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And if you look at that leaked photo of the, uh, of the whitewood, and it's pretty much that.
Speaker: And you look at the whitewood and you're like, man, this thing looks like nothing.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And however, it's a fun game.
Speaker: I love, I was actually playing it yesterday.
Speaker: So it's a fun game.
Speaker: So that is, I think it's doable.
Speaker: Now, is it, are there two pop bumpers, three pop bumpers?
Speaker: I can't tell from this.
Speaker: I think there's three pop bumpers.
Speaker: It's a nest up on the top right.
Speaker: Okay, so there's one that may be hidden underneath that katana shot.
Speaker: So I'm willing to give it that.
Speaker: Now, this is early code.
Speaker: and you're probably going to cringe a little bit.
Speaker: This gave me the early code asset integration made me feel a little bit like monsters.
Speaker: When it first came out, how grandpa was always going over to the book and you were just trying to flip out of that as fast as you could, because it was just such a time sink.
Speaker: So I'm, I'm hoping there's a lot more call outs integrated.
Speaker: If, unless they get some more music in there and that bond theme just loops,
Speaker: you're going to get tired of it.
Speaker: Yeah, and I think same with the spinner sound.
Speaker: Every time they hit... I didn't notice it at first, but as it went on, you're hitting that spinner a lot because that shot's part of a lock.
Speaker: It's part of a multi-ball.
Speaker: And I was like, man, that just...
Speaker: does not sound fun.
Speaker: It almost reminds me of a, in Wayne's world, when they go back in time, they go, do do do do.
Speaker: That's what the spinner reminds me of is, is Garth and Wayne do do do.
Speaker: So obviously there's going to be more assets to come.
Speaker: Even at the beginning of the video, it says, this is not a final product.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: So more assets to come.
Speaker: I think this is still going to be a great game overall.
Speaker: I just think it's going to be one of those ones that has to gain traction over time.
Speaker: I think the initial sales hype is gone.
Speaker: I don't know much of it coming back either because we're still at a trickle pace of this stuff coming out.
Speaker: I'm nervous that we're probably another three months away from a Cornerstone release.
Speaker: And if these Bond Pros aren't shipping out until April, then it's going to run up against its own competition.
Speaker: I just overall, I'm excited for the Bon fans.
Speaker: I just think it's too early to give a full evaluation of this game.
Speaker: I hope these are at Chicago.
Speaker: But again, I just, is it a good idea to have it there with this early code?
Speaker: They were only playing on one ball.
Speaker: They went from one ball right into grand champion.
Speaker: So people, I think people get a feel of the shots.
Speaker: But overall, I just don't think they're going to be happy with the end result if they're playing this early stuff.
Speaker: They're going to have a negative taste in their mouth until six months down the road when these finally start getting into arcades, when they start showing up in people, friends' homes.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Overall, it is what it is, I guess.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I was – okay, you and I had a similar vibe 24 hours ago when we talked about –
Speaker: maybe the sales have suffered.
Speaker: I reached out a little bit today because I was curious about that.
Speaker: Say, hey, is there a buzz for this from the dealer side?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And apparently there is.
Speaker: This seems a little bit of a disconnect because there's a lot of people that I know who buy almost every game.
Speaker: And I know one person who is probably interested in getting it down the road.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I'm kind of interested in it, but I probably need to sell Zeppelin or something to make that happen because I'm overstocked right now.
Speaker: So what do you do with that?
Speaker: Is it going to be a...
Speaker: Well, am I just not enough friends with different demographics?
Speaker: But I think this will actually sell well and better than I think.
Speaker: Well, and I feel like there's so many conflicting reports.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: We listened to Pinball Show, and Pinball Show says, Bond's selling well.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: The premiums are selling two to one, if not three to one.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And there's just a high demand for this game.
Speaker: Yeah, I talked to another distributor that says, sells have went off a cliff.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Barely any premium sales.
Speaker: Most of them are coming in our pros, and they're selling more Godzillas than they are Bond at this point.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I actually talked to another guy that I know.
Speaker: And I said, how's the interest for Bond?
Speaker: And he said, not as much as he expected.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So I'm hoping that this is just a, an anomaly because I really think that it's going to be, I think it's going to be a Deadpool like situation where this is going to be a fantastic game.
Speaker: This will be a big seller.
Speaker: This will be a tournament darling and it'll be a lot of fun.
Speaker: Maybe they may suffer a little bit in initial sales.
Speaker: Um, but it's going to do fine.
Speaker: It really is.
Speaker: It's going to do fine.
Speaker: We're going to see a slow burn effect with this one.
Speaker: I think regardless, I don't know much other than that.
Speaker: Let's talk fourth tier.
Speaker: Let's talk the L one.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Gomez did reveal on the Sturred Insider podcast that there is a fourth tier coming.
Speaker: It is limited to 500 editions, and it's going to be very retro 60s.
Speaker: It's going to be a single level, so no ramps, but it's got a ton of stuff packed into it.
Speaker: It's got like an odd job hat.
Speaker: similar to the tesseract on avengers does the spinny disc it's got 10 drop targets it's got a shot that gomez has never seen before it's got mechanical reels in the back box that they got a gentleman from williams that used to do that as his main job he's coming to do that as well
Speaker: They've put a mini LCD, what you see on the home editions.
Speaker: I don't know if it's in the play field.
Speaker: That's the way they made it sound.
Speaker: Or if it's going to be on the play field, similar to Star Wars.
Speaker: It better not be the home version.
Speaker: It better be a nice version.
Speaker: I mean, the home version is the cheap version.
Speaker: But this is a smaller one that's going to be on the play field.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Similar to Star Wars is my thoughts, right above the drop targets.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Just overall, it sounds like this game is pretty packed.
Speaker: And...
Speaker: We don't know anything about this besides what leaked from the official bond store.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And even then, a lot of what Gomez was saying wasn't reflected in the picture that we saw.
Speaker: So I assume it's a placeholder.
Speaker: And we don't know anything else outside of this.
Speaker: So I, I speculated last time I was like, there's no way, why would they compete against themselves?
Speaker: So I am wrong on this.
Speaker: I mean, it's, yeah, they, they are doing it.
Speaker: However, they're competing in a different way because this is basically an ultra SLE.
Speaker: And this has to be a test case to say, okay, it, it,
Speaker: There's so much research and development that goes into producing any game that they have to make their money back.
Speaker: And usually I'm, you know, I'm guessing, okay, their, their low run is not 500 and their low run is in the thousands.
Speaker: So a great run is 10,000 or something.
Speaker: So what price per game would they have to make to decide that that's worth it for them?
Speaker: Because if you're taking Elwin out of rotation to do this, this side gig,
Speaker: Is that going to, you know, how much money does that cost?
Speaker: And is it worth, is it worth the return on investment?
Speaker: But they are definitely taking the, okay, we have the standard cornerstone that's gonna be the go-to.
Speaker: Now we're gonna try this ultra exclusive, like we're talking,
Speaker: We're not even talking whale market.
Speaker: We're talking the dinosaur market.
Speaker: Like the people who have so much money that they will be able to drop $20,000, $30,000 on a game and not think about it.
Speaker: I don't like that idea, especially with an Elwynn where everyone loves Elwynn.
Speaker: It makes me nervous these are going to go into collections and a lot of people aren't going to see them outside of what's streamed or even get to play them.
Speaker: Overall, though, I think that it's a smart move.
Speaker: I feel like Stern is starting to make some interesting plays.
Speaker: They're trying to play the whole market with only $100 increase on the Pro.
Speaker: It still makes it affordable for locations.
Speaker: It doesn't take it off that location.
Speaker: It's not anyone's favorite that it went up, but it's a lot more desirable than the $700 of the premium.
Speaker: The $700 of the premium now makes the gap wider from pro to premium almost by $3,000.
Speaker: That's a pretty substantial chunk.
Speaker: That's a big chunk, yeah.
Speaker: A lot of people are going to start even looking at it.
Speaker: I look at Bond, and I'm like, if I want one of these in my home, I'm going pro.
Speaker: I don't want the Bond on a wand.
Speaker: I don't care for the wrap your missile lock.
Speaker: And with the under the water scene, I don't care because it doesn't have anything to do with the gameplay itself.
Speaker: So $3,000 is not justified from the premium to the pro.
Speaker: And then you've got the LEs, and I've been out of the LE for at least three years at this point, but the LE is $13,000 now.
Speaker: That's a lot.
Speaker: And with Rush...
Speaker: I bought the LE and it was, yeah, it was 12,500, 600, 700, something like that.
Speaker: But I was like, well, it has the expression like kits, which was like an add on for, for some other things.
Speaker: And so I'm like, well, that costs money.
Speaker: I'd rather have those.
Speaker: And so I, I figured that that was just part of it, but this has, you know, a creature from the black Laguna on the upper left play field again, waving at you with a light.
Speaker: My personal opinion, it makes me nervous, and I'll explain why.
Speaker: With a $100 increase on a pro, I don't even know if that is enough to cover the inflation that we've seen this past year.
Speaker: There has been a lot of inflation.
Speaker: It's not.
Speaker: We're at 9%.
Speaker: We have been for a while.
Speaker: Yes, and it just feels like we're at a bubble, not just in pinball, but in our economy.
Speaker: So I feel like some of that cost that should go to the pro has been added to the premium and the LE to help relieve and help get these pros out there.
Speaker: Because that's really your promotional material is getting these out on location.
Speaker: The problem is, though, if LE buyers start dropping out, if bond is not as successful as Stern thinks it might be, then this cost is going to start weighing down on their company.
Speaker: And so do we see another price increase next year on the pro by $500 because we're trying to meet demand?
Speaker: It's hard to predict the future, especially with inflation.
Speaker: But it makes me curious because we're trying to play the market by every side.
Speaker: And like you said, taking L1, not even necessarily out of rotation, but is it team L1?
Speaker: I would assume so.
Speaker: Because you've got to have L1.
Speaker: You've got to have Rick Nagel.
Speaker: You've got to have Harrison Drake.
Speaker: These are all people that work.
Speaker: almost solely exclusively to Elwin games because they're such a great team together.
Speaker: So you've taken a full team out of rotation to make a one-off.
Speaker: So is that why we moved Venom back is to give Elwin more time for his next cornerstone?
Speaker: And if that's the case, we're not going to see another Elwin for at least a year.
Speaker: There's so many unknown factors, but going back to the whole price increase, a lot of people are tapping out.
Speaker: I know people, this is their dream theme and they just can't justify it.
Speaker: And they're like, if we do do this, it's going to be a pro.
Speaker: I know three people right now.
Speaker: One wants a pro, but they're going to wait until Expo to see if they can play it there.
Speaker: One's teetering on a premium, and one person is talking about the LE, the L1 LE, not the Gomez.
Speaker: So it's kind of a weird market right now.
Speaker: And with all these unknowns still out there, I don't see Bond picking up speed anytime soon, especially with the price increase.
Speaker: Yeah, the price is an interesting thing, though.
Speaker: However, let me play devil's advocate here.
Speaker: Go for it.
Speaker: We've seen this in concerts where you sell a ticket for a certain price.
Speaker: And then if people buy those tickets and then they're able to resell them at twice to three times what they bought it for initially, then that money goes to the scalpers.
Speaker: OK, and so what they have started doing is Taylor Swift and this this was attributed to her, but started raising prices like pretty precipitously until she wasn't.
Speaker: She was still selling almost everything out, but not everything.
Speaker: There were still a few seats available.
Speaker: And that way it was like, OK, well, that's the market.
Speaker: Because that means we're collecting all the money from the ticket sales.
Speaker: We are not sending it to the scalpers.
Speaker: And so maybe Stern's having that same philosophy where, hey, we're going to keep raising it until we find that inflection point.
Speaker: I think JJP found it with Toy Story.
Speaker: Yeah, they blew through that ceiling.
Speaker: Yeah, I think that was a bridge too far for that.
Speaker: Because Toy Story, I told you, $8,000, I would have bought it.
Speaker: $12,000?
Speaker: No.
Speaker: But now we're getting premiums around $9,500.
Speaker: That's probably what the market demands.
Speaker: Well, and I agree with you.
Speaker: I would rather see Stern and its distributors make the money than scalpers and flippers make the money.
Speaker: If we want to see this hobby grow, if we want to see this, not even hobby, this industry and this community grow, the money needs to go towards the people making the machines, not necessarily the people that are buying them.
Speaker: Yeah, and so if I bought a car for...
Speaker: $50,000 and immediately could turn around and sell it for $70,000, then guess what?
Speaker: The dealer should sell it for $70,000.
Speaker: And that's, that, that is, I'm so that that's the capitalist economy kids.
Speaker: So do we feel like we've covered enough bond?
Speaker: I mean, we're, we're 30 minutes on this now.
Speaker: I think it's okay.
Speaker: This will be a hit.
Speaker: I am stating it right now.
Speaker: This is going to be a hit.
Speaker: I'm waiting for the momentum to pick up, but there's nothing coming out until January or February anyway.
Speaker: And this will be a good game.
Speaker: The layout looks really good.
Speaker: It does.
Speaker: And I actually, I'm fine with the art.
Speaker: I really am fine with the art.
Speaker: The sound package and the code, yeah, it needs some work.
Speaker: But we've seen what they've been able to do with code and sound packages with time.
Speaker: I mean, Batman 66 landed like a lead balloon.
Speaker: But now it's some people's favorite game.
Speaker: and they're still making them at Stern because there's still a demand for them.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Yeah, I think we've kind of hit all the bases on this Bond thing.
Speaker: I think I'm right there with you with some future side on this.
Speaker: Because of previous games, I think it still will be a hit.
Speaker: It's just going to need to get some more traction under it.
Speaker: This launch did not help it at all.
Speaker: I could be entirely wrong.
Speaker: I think the launch hurt the initial buzz and you may have missed some people.
Speaker: I mentioned this before is that the people who buy everything you don't have to worry about the people who are location only.
Speaker: You really don't have to worry about it's those swing voters in the middle.
Speaker: It's like politics, right?
Speaker: Most of the time, they don't even focus on their main base.
Speaker: What they're doing is they're trying to win over the undecided, the independence that sometimes they buy, sometimes they don't.
Speaker: And that's where Stern is playing that role.
Speaker: that game to figure out.
Speaker: So let's move on from bond.
Speaker: Let's talk about a game.
Speaker: I feel like that's gotten even less hype and it felt like it got a better reveal.
Speaker: Maybe not a better reveal, but this is spinal tap, a cult classic from the eighties, making fun of the rock culture of that time.
Speaker: Have you seen this video, Scott?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Uh, okay.
Speaker: I, it hurts my heart a little bit just because I,
Speaker: I try, we really do try to be at least looking at the positive side of things.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: I don't see anybody buying this unless they are a hardcore fan of Spinal Tap and they've never played another pinball machine.
Speaker: Well, that's what's funny is like Teolus.
Speaker: Everyone knows Teolus from Pinball Profile and Final Round.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Die hard Spinal Tap fan.
Speaker: Number one theme of all time.
Speaker: I'm pretty for sure for him.
Speaker: And he's out.
Speaker: He just, he doesn't want anything to do with this.
Speaker: And someone had pointed out to us, if you look at the drop targets in the video, they're just a little high enough that the cutoff line at the bottom shows and it says home pin underneath the drop targets.
Speaker: And that's, that's quite weird.
Speaker: Another quite weird thing of this, there's a DMD that,
Speaker: And there's an LCD.
Speaker: Like, why do we have both forms of display?
Speaker: Do you not know how to code for an LCD?
Speaker: Like, do you not know how to overlay stuff on top of the video?
Speaker: Is it just too much work?
Speaker: I usually have the movie just playing in the background and...
Speaker: If you complete the movie, you get a bonus on top of that and just starts from the front.
Speaker: This game is so weird.
Speaker: The thing that tanks this, in my opinion, the price.
Speaker: Have you heard the price on this, Scott?
Speaker: I actually don't know the price.
Speaker: I was looking it up right now.
Speaker: $9,600 US.
Speaker: And I'm not for sure if that includes shipping.
Speaker: in in australian dollars remember that they they take that's fake money anyway it's like fourteen thousand five hundred dollars and i i was just like when i see that i'm like no i'm entirely out yeah so i need six hundred dollars would you prefer bond premium yeah or spinal tap i'd take bond premium any day the spinal tap
Speaker: It looks like a really high end home pin.
Speaker: Or a zizzle maybe?
Speaker: Yeah, it's okay.
Speaker: This looks like, you know, you go to the enthusiast section at the expo and they have, you know, like Sonic the Hedgehog.
Speaker: Like they have someone who's like, they're hardcore fans of this.
Speaker: And they're looking at like, hey, this will be a lot of fun.
Speaker: But it's like, well, okay, maybe.
Speaker: But I think that this looks like a home version of,
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It does not look great at all.
Speaker: The layout looks like it's trapped in the sixties.
Speaker: It doesn't even look like it's in the seventies.
Speaker: It, it, it, well, okay.
Speaker: Maybe, sorry.
Speaker: It has that vibe on the lower play field of like,
Speaker: you know, those old, those really old EM type games.
Speaker: And you look at the upper play field and it kind of looks a little bit like when, when I say upper, by the way, I'm talking the upper half of the play field, not the, not upper lower.
Speaker: It reminds me a little bit of like flash Gordon.
Speaker: It just has like a two-tiered thing where it's like, what is this doing?
Speaker: Well, and I do have to applaud Home Pit on one thing.
Speaker: Thunderbirds had plastic ramps, and I swear they were made out of water bottles because they were so flimsy.
Speaker: They probably were, yeah.
Speaker: At least they upgraded on this one in metal ramps.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, you're paying for it.
Speaker: Amen to that.
Speaker: What was Thunderbirds coming out of the gate?
Speaker: It had to have been five, right?
Speaker: I don't, it was pretty low.
Speaker: I, it was, I don't know of anybody in the pinball community who's actually played it.
Speaker: Um, it just, it, it just looks painful.
Speaker: So does this one.
Speaker: Do you think that this tanks home pin, not tank some, but it takes them out of the manufacturing and development and just focuses solely because home pin originally just makes parts for your pinball machine.
Speaker: I bought one for future spot because I was missing a transformer with the circuit board and the parts.
Speaker: Great.
Speaker: Popped it in.
Speaker: I haven't had a single issue with it.
Speaker: So I know their parts are good.
Speaker: This seems to be a side project where they're testing the market to say, hey, pinball's hot right now.
Speaker: Let's see if we can get a license that we think will sell and then maybe we can make something.
Speaker: But I'm not sure it worked with Jetsons.
Speaker: And not, you know, it not didn't work with dominoes, even though that was a special game.
Speaker: I mean, these are like small one-off type games where the theme may be okay, but the average pinball player who's interested is going to look at this and says, this is 30 years ago.
Speaker: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker: It doesn't even, and you're not going to, okay, the benchmark right now is a Godzilla premium.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And that's the gold standard.
Speaker: I wouldn't say that's a benchmark.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That's the gold standard.
Speaker: So if you have 9,500 in your pocket and you're buying one game, what are you going to buy?
Speaker: It's going to be Godzilla.
Speaker: I'll pay if you don't own it.
Speaker: But I don't even know if they really want to be a big player in the market.
Speaker: And they really haven't done much with the pinball community anyway.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So this seems to be not geared toward us.
Speaker: Overall, I just, I don't see a market for this.
Speaker: I mean, that's just me.
Speaker: It's because of who's making it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: These, it's just, it's kind of out of left field for me.
Speaker: A little bit.
Speaker: Let's talk though.
Speaker: Pinball industry awards are coming up.
Speaker: I assume they've done great every year.
Speaker: I love my crystal.
Speaker: So speaking of pinball industry awards, there's always a game of the year through the industry awards.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Looking at 2022,
Speaker: It's been kind of a rough year for pinball.
Speaker: Yeah, three pins.
Speaker: Yeah, what's even in the running at this point?
Speaker: Is it Rush?
Speaker: Toy Story, Rush, Bond.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Anything else?
Speaker: You don't think Smile Taps, Weird Al?
Speaker: The problem with Weird Al is that there's not enough of them out there.
Speaker: This was my argument when JJ, Pirates of the Caribbean, went up against Iron Maiden.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Is, and I made this argument, like I'm going to give you points for getting games into players' hands.
Speaker: And so Iron Maiden did that way more than Pirates of the Caribbean.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And Pirates of the Caribbean was a, a more expensive game.
Speaker: And really the, the price difference wasn't that much back then, but the, the demand for that was so much more.
Speaker: So, um, I, I,
Speaker: Toy Story, it's a solid game.
Speaker: Price really hurt it.
Speaker: And so that hampered their sales.
Speaker: It's not a deep game in that if you are an elite player, you will destroy it.
Speaker: So I'd probably have a lot of fun on it.
Speaker: Dude, you put yours so steep and weirdly.
Speaker: I know, I know.
Speaker: I actually did lower some of them a little bit.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But, okay, so it's going to be between Rush and Bond.
Speaker: And I think it's going to be rush because the code has been proven to be excellent.
Speaker: And the layout is solid, even though for the love will people stop putting double in lanes in on one side.
Speaker: I hate it so, so much.
Speaker: Boy and Lawler, man, that's their signature.
Speaker: I am the king of bouncing it off that middle post and it going right to the outlane.
Speaker: Fries me crazy.
Speaker: It's a solid game.
Speaker: It's a tournament darling.
Speaker: The rule set is fantastic.
Speaker: Long term, what I think that it's going to be Bond or Rush, I think that Bond is going to catch Rush and maybe pass it because of the theme.
Speaker: I think the theme is more relevant to more people than Rush is.
Speaker: So your hardcore competitive players are still going to love Rush.
Speaker: But the casual players will gravitate toward Bond.
Speaker: I think by time voting comes around, I don't know if Bond will be fleshed out enough for a good idea.
Speaker: So that's why I think Rush, because Rush came out in January, and so it's had a whole year.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And it's a solid game.
Speaker: It's a solid game.
Speaker: The only other game that might release this year is Galactic Tank Force, which keeps getting production delays and pushed back.
Speaker: We saw a little bit of the artwork from the Cointaker tailgate party.
Speaker: It looks very retro futuristic, which sounds like an oxymoron.
Speaker: But I'm hearing good things about this game.
Speaker: I'm hearing the play field is very unique.
Speaker: And it's kind of a polarizing layout.
Speaker: But overall, I think people are going to be excited to see this game.
Speaker: And it might be American's best so far.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: I've actually been impressed with what American has put out there.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: They really have.
Speaker: It is a different feel than a Stern or a JJP.
Speaker: However, Hot Wheels was fun.
Speaker: it's a fun game.
Speaker: Um, Oktoberfest is a little bit clunky.
Speaker: Uh, Houdini is just too brutal for me.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Um, but you know, legends of Valhalla, I had a blast on, I thought it w as a lot of fun.
Speaker: Great game.
Speaker: It's a great game.
Speaker: And so they're able to, they're, they're able to make a solid game.
Speaker: If you, if you have four machines, I still don't know if it breaks into that spot.
Speaker: of your fourth game.
Speaker: But if you had 10 machines, yeah, you could definitely put one or two home or a, sorry,
Speaker: You could definitely put one or two of American Pinball in there and you would be happy.
Speaker: So I think overall this year Rush wins it.
Speaker: I think it's Rush.
Speaker: Even if Galactic Tank Force does come out, I don't see them actually producing games until 2023, which means it would be out the running.
Speaker: It would then fall into the 2023 category.
Speaker: I think Art will probably... Bond is going to look better in person.
Speaker: It will.
Speaker: Than Rush?
Speaker: i i think it then the pictures and so when you're looking straight straight into it um i was gonna say michael bernard did a great job and really the only complaint of rush is those three caricatures yeah so what but that's what the band wanted they're like there's comic books of us out there and and it's like oh i guess if that's what you want front and center he did a fantastic job um
Speaker: If you're looking for that classic movie feel, then you're going to go with the Bond.
Speaker: So I think that pretty much wraps it up.
Speaker: Speaking of Michael Bernard and doing some awesome artwork, he did the artwork for Flipping the Script.
Speaker: And I would like to talk about that for a couple minutes since we're almost two weeks away from this event, from Pinball Expo and from Flipping the Script.
Speaker: It's insane.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's, it really has come up on us.
Speaker: I am going to give a big standing ovation to Josh for really starting this and being able to get all the people together and,
Speaker: for this and, and the manufacturers who have chipped in some really great things.
Speaker: I'm excited for this and I love how transparent this is, has, has been from a fundraising standpoint in that it, the funds will be, this is a big deal for, for me because my wife is an accountant and
Speaker: And she actually helps with the accounting for our like charity surgical thing.
Speaker: And there are things that she says, the, if you do it this way, it's, it, it can be exploited.
Speaker: If you do it this way, it's straightforward.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: And so the way that Josh has chosen to set it up, it's very straightforward and the money will go to go to learning solutions.
Speaker: Well, and that's even from the beginning.
Speaker: I just was like, I don't want to touch the money.
Speaker: I don't even want to see the money.
Speaker: We have set it up in a way that it will go directly to Learning Solutions.
Speaker: Whether you give them cash at the event, Justin Benson is going to be there joining us from Learning Solutions.
Speaker: He will be there to receive the money.
Speaker: And then also, we've set up an auction site, which we're going to reveal this week.
Speaker: To answer some questions, we've had some people reach out.
Speaker: They say, if we don't have Facebook, can we still bid?
Speaker: Yes, you do not need Facebook.
Speaker: Originally, we were going to do a silent auction type of style and have some items available online with some items available in person.
Speaker: With some of the concerns that have been raised recently, we've decided to go all online.
Speaker: These items will still be available at Expo.
Speaker: You can still pick them up and everything there, but it also brings it to a wider audience.
Speaker: If some of these items aren't going to have shipping available on them, unless if you pay for them.
Speaker: And there's some pretty amazing items.
Speaker: We have the black and white play field from Attack from Mars that we have posted on the Facebook page and the socials.
Speaker: We have confirmation from Jersey Jack Pinball.
Speaker: Slash was nice enough to sign some product.
Speaker: And he's handing that over.
Speaker: I've heard, I think, a play field, a Translight, and a banner, if I remember correctly.
Speaker: Uh, we, we have some really amazing auction items.
Speaker: Stern.
Speaker: Well, and Frenchie stepped up to Frenchie gave us the, uh, some job stuff.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: And we'll post that this week as well.
Speaker: You'll be able to see all these items as of this week.
Speaker: We're, we're posting it early so you can create that account and get prepared so you can auction or you can be a part of the auction that day.
Speaker: And also Pinshades.
Speaker: Remember he reached out to us.
Speaker: He's like, Hey, can I give you some product?
Speaker: And we're like, absolutely.
Speaker: It has astounded me how many people have reached out that want to help because they have been affected directly by autism and has had me seen a deeper part of the community that I have not seen before.
Speaker: This is something that really affects most lives.
Speaker: And I am very appreciative of those that have reached out.
Speaker: There has been a little drama this past week.
Speaker: I really don't want to go into it.
Speaker: My focus right now is on these children.
Speaker: It is on this money going to an organization, learning solutions that is going to take that money and help directly those kids that have high deductibles that might not have the opportunity to get this one-on-one therapy that they need, whether it be occupational, ABA, speech.
Speaker: It's amazing.
Speaker: It's life-changing.
Speaker: And I personally say that.
Speaker: This is an organization is one of a kind.
Speaker: It's a startup in Utah that's never been done before because all the therapies are under one roof and they all work together.
Speaker: And as far as I'm aware, there's not like anything like that.
Speaker: You have to go to separate buildings.
Speaker: Yeah, it's usually pretty hard.
Speaker: And so this is very life-changing.
Speaker: We have people moving to my hometown, to the basin for this because it's such a game changer for their child.
Speaker: Please think about the kids on this one.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, let's keep it classy.
Speaker: Focus on the real cause, which is the kids.
Speaker: George Fisher, amazing guy.
Speaker: He donated his own time this past week.
Speaker: He's going to be donating his time.
Speaker: He's going to be doing all the stream.
Speaker: This past week, he came out.
Speaker: He toured the facilities.
Speaker: He talked to the teachers.
Speaker: He talked to the administrators.
Speaker: And he got like two, three hours worth of footage.
Speaker: And he's like, I don't know how we're going to boil this down to like 10 minutes.
Speaker: because it's going to be promotional video that we're going to be using in the stream so you can get to know learning solutions you can be more personal so you don't feel like it's just a phantom organization you're throwing money at these people are amazing people making different differences major differences in in these children's lives and i can't think of anything better than to help progress our future by helping these kids right now yeah
Speaker: It'll be awesome.
Speaker: I'm really excited about it.
Speaker: Me too.
Speaker: Auction is October 20th.
Speaker: Mark your schedule.
Speaker: Central time, 10 a.m.
Speaker: to 10 p.m.
Speaker: This will give you an opportunity.
Speaker: If you're at Expo, let us know.
Speaker: If you do win the item, we'll arrange to either get it to you or ship it to your home.
Speaker: If you have any questions, message us.
Speaker: I mean, come on.
Speaker: You can always get a hold of us.
Speaker: Don't be afraid to ask questions.
Speaker: We're trying to make this as available to everyone out there.
Speaker: because these are some really, really cool items.
Speaker: They're amazing.
Speaker: And it's an opportunity for the community to enjoy product that they normally wouldn't see.
Speaker: And it's an opportunity for these kids to benefit from that product.
Speaker: Okay, and let's put this in context too.
Speaker: How many people buy a mod for their machine that is a $250 mod and they'll put it under glass and it just creates like one little moment in a game, okay?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So if you got the money to put in a $250 mod or a shooter rod or a topper or art blades or whatever, then
Speaker: You have money to throw this.
Speaker: And we didn't just have things that are only high-end stuff.
Speaker: There's a lot of like shirts, hats, everything like that.
Speaker: Please go.
Speaker: This is something that you can be a part of.
Speaker: Spooky donated like koozies and travel mugs and stuff like that.
Speaker: There's some very accessible items in this auction.
Speaker: Absolutely.
Speaker: If you feel like you can't buy any of these items, there will be a donate button right on the website.
Speaker: So if you feel like just throwing – Five, ten bucks.
Speaker: Yeah, five, twenty bucks.
Speaker: It's fine.
Speaker: Just make sure you have a PayPal account.
Speaker: Doesn't everyone have one of those?
Speaker: I know we've all bought through eBay at one point, right?
Speaker: Because you have to have a PayPal to buy through eBay.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Do we have a Venmo set up?
Speaker: We do have a Venmo set up.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Because I think most people have transitioned to Venmo.
Speaker: I know I have.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So that's awesome.
Speaker: The auction site itself uses PayPal and Stripe, if I remember correctly.
Speaker: But we'll have Venmo and we'll have PayPal if you wanted to donate directly just to the organization.
Speaker: Five, ten bucks.
Speaker: Just don't buy that app you were thinking about this month.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Help one of these kids have a better future.
Speaker: Yeah, it'll be awesome.
Speaker: So I'm excited.
Speaker: I am so tired.
Speaker: It has been exhausting.
Speaker: You really have put forth an amazing effort on this.
Speaker: And yeah, I just, I've tried my best and maybe it's because my kid's involved.
Speaker: I mean, you always go the extra mile when it's your family, right?
Speaker: Well, sure.
Speaker: And it makes sense.
Speaker: But to those, honestly, we don't see the money betting fitting my family because my family has great insurance and our deductibles already been met.
Speaker: It was met in less than two weeks.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: With him going to these therapies.
Speaker: I mean, he, he does 20 hours a week and when you're doing 20 hours a week with these, with these specialists, it adds up pretty quick.
Speaker: Yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker: No, it's in a lot of times what happens is, is people have a hard time getting over that in, in, in the insurance industry, it's called the donut hole where, you know, this is why when people talk about, Oh, I've met my deductible and they can just get whatever they want.
Speaker: because they've already paid the maximum.
Speaker: But there's a lot of people like getting from zero to their deductible.
Speaker: That's a big deal.
Speaker: Even if the therapy costs $50,000 for the year and their deductibles, you know, anywhere from two to $5,000, well, they still have to pay two to $5,000.
Speaker: And there's a lot of family who they, they're not buying pinball machines because they're trying to pay for insurance.
Speaker: Like I said, I'm excited.
Speaker: I hope you're excited.
Speaker: We've been pushing this for almost six months now.
Speaker: We got some amazing guests.
Speaker: Just come even join the stream.
Speaker: It's via Facebook, via YouTube, via Twitch.
Speaker: This is all going to be on the Pinball Network.
Speaker: If you haven't added them on any of those socials, go ahead and do it.
Speaker: It's going to be great talking with Roger Sharp about his new movie, talking to Josh Sharp about CGC and about the state of the code going into Cactus Canyon.
Speaker: Keith Owen's going to be there.
Speaker: And what kind of nuggets we're going to get out of him about maybe the 60th anniversary, if we've seen anything by then.
Speaker: And maybe just see some funny stuff.
Speaker: I've heard some pretty interesting ideas of what the hosts are going to do with their guests.
Speaker: Yeah, it'll be awesome.
Speaker: I...
Speaker: I can't tell you how excited I am about it.
Speaker: This is really the, this is what made me want to come to Expo this year.
Speaker: And it's, it's going to be awesome.
Speaker: I think that pretty much wraps it up for us.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Is there anything else on the, on the list?
Speaker: Queen Queen was more revealed.
Speaker: I don't know if you've seen this video at all.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's, it kind of feels a little bit, it's a step up from what Spinal Tap was, but it's, it feels like a mid nineties game as opposed to like a mid eighties game.
Speaker: I will give them this.
Speaker: It's not, I can't have it in my house.
Speaker: I'm sorry.
Speaker: I've got young kids.
Speaker: I can't have naked women hanging out.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Are they full on naked?
Speaker: The girl riding the bike is.
Speaker: Oh, really?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And she's on the DMD too.
Speaker: If you, not the DMD, the LCD.
Speaker: When you hit that shot, man, she's riding that bike.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Full booty, baby.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That's, yeah.
Speaker: There are some things that, you know, it's just, but at the same time, there's,
Speaker: Guns N' Roses where you have the, you have some very suggestive pictures on Guns N' Roses.
Speaker: I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker: You do, you do.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, and it's funny too, it's like we talk about Bond, right?
Speaker: I heard one person's like, I don't think this can come in my home.
Speaker: And this is 60s vibe.
Speaker: And you got women in bikinis and stuff like that.
Speaker: And it's like, it's pretty tame.
Speaker: I'm sorry.
Speaker: Bond, it could have been a lot worse.
Speaker: It could have been.
Speaker: It could have been a lot worse.
Speaker: And I think they kept it.
Speaker: They kept it campy and period specific.
Speaker: And so I think they're going to get a pass on this.
Speaker: I think Queen does look fun to play.
Speaker: I do want to shoot this game.
Speaker: It's something that I am looking forward to.
Speaker: Hopefully it will be at Expo.
Speaker: If not, then it is what it is.
Speaker: But overall, it's an interesting game from an interesting company.
Speaker: Other than that, I think we'll wrap it up.
Speaker: I think we'll get one more episode out before Expo.
Speaker: Probably like an Expo preview, what we're planning on doing.
Speaker: Maybe able to get a guest on to talk about that, but we'll see if that works better to have us talk or to get someone.
Speaker: Definitely.
Speaker: If you want to get ahold of us, we are loser kid pinball podcast at gmail.com on the socials.
Speaker: We are at loser kid pinball.
Speaker: That is Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and Twitch.
Speaker: I did stream last week with George Fisher.
Speaker: If you want to go and check that out and all the fun we had on Godzilla and the lock shots, we're, uh, weirding out on Godzilla on top of the skyscraper.
Speaker: Oh yeah.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: Other than that, if you do need to get a hold of us, we're also posting stuff on Pinside as well.
Speaker: Don't be afraid to follow us on there if you want to keep up to date and whatnot.
Speaker: um yeah and oh i want to do a quick shout out a couple quick shouts okay pinball party this is a new podcast on tpn i feel nate shiver vibes from this guy jason's doing a great job okay very professional that's high praise yes very professional very uh bubbly and enjoyable i was i've enjoyed those so far um
Speaker: Amanda Hamilton, I hope you're doing okay.
Speaker: She's been trying to keep us updated over this last little bit.
Speaker: If you haven't talked to her or heard what's going on, Florida's been hit by a hurricane and they're just trying to keep the lights on.
Speaker: Thankfully, I was actually checking on her because my son kept asking, do we know people in Florida?
Speaker: I'm like, yeah, I know Amanda and Mike.
Speaker: And he's like, can you message them and see if they're okay?
Speaker: So it was really cute.
Speaker: She sent back a message.
Speaker: Ken Cromwell.
Speaker: has officially announced that they're bringing back Special When Lit.
Speaker: Boom.
Speaker: So that is going to be awesome to hear.
Speaker: Miss those guys, man.
Speaker: I still talk to Ken here and there.
Speaker: Yeah, we talk to Ken regularly.
Speaker: So good to see you're coming back with that.
Speaker: And I guess he said there's no conflict with the JJP stuff.
Speaker: So it's going to be cool to see what we hear from them.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Other than that, I think that pretty much wraps it up for us.
Speaker: Once again, if you're looking for that new pinball machine, hit up flipping out pinball.
Speaker: If you're going to be at expo, definitely check us out at the fundraiser or just message us.
Speaker: We'd love to meet people.
Speaker: What should people bring to Zach at expo?
Speaker: If you're coming, because he's just going to be after surgery.
Speaker: We should tell someone to bring something.
Speaker: Wait, one of those skeleton shirts that has a spine on it.
Speaker: Isn't there a spinal tap shirt that has a spine on it?
Speaker: Maybe you should get them back.
Speaker: No, no.
Speaker: Ready for this?
Speaker: If you're coming to Expo, buy a tube of Bengay and give it to Zach.
Speaker: I want to see how many tubes of Bengay we can get to Zach while we're at Expo.
Speaker: That would be awesome.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Or BioFreeze, you know, the newer stuff.
Speaker: But seriously, as many tubes of Bengay as we can get to Zach at Expo.
Speaker: Let's do it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: All right, send us off, Scott.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Well, we'll see you guys.
Speaker: Well, we'll definitely talk to you before Expo.
Speaker: But if not, definitely reach out.
Speaker: We love hearing from you guys.
Speaker: Again, big thanks.
Speaker: I still am blown away that people spend time listening to us because we're –
Speaker: When we record, it's basically like us having a conversation about pinball with each other that we used to have anyway.
Speaker: And so, oh, go ahead.
Speaker: Keep going.
Speaker: Oh, no, I was just saying it's I I'm I'm appreciative that people are willing to be the silent third chair in our discussion.
Speaker: I agree.
Speaker: And we appreciate those that reach out and talk to us.
Speaker: It blows my mind that every year I just feel like there's no way we're going to exceed the expectations of the year before.
Speaker: And, you know, we joked when we had Zach on last year that we're going to be 100K by Christmas.
Speaker: And we kind of use his fish bait though, right?
Speaker: Because of the rate of pinball increases.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: We might come to double by this Christmas.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: That's crazy.
Speaker: The...
Speaker: The listenership has just exploded over this last year.
Speaker: And thank you.
Speaker: Thank you for those that have tuned in and listened to our stuff.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Appreciate it.
Speaker: So, okay.
Speaker: See you guys soon.
Speaker: See, see it expo.
