Ep 42: The Answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything

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Speaker: Hey, thanks for tuning in to the Loser Kid Pinball Podcast.

Speaker: We are on episode 42 with me, my co-captain.

Speaker: Scott Larson.

Speaker: And I love the number 42.

Speaker: I don't know if anyone else will get this reference out there.

Speaker: I know Scott got it, but 42, the answer to life, the universe, and everything in it.

Speaker: Have you seen that?

Speaker: Have you seen the movie?

Speaker: You read the books, Scott?

Speaker: You know, I've only seen the movie.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: First, you have to say what it is.

Speaker: It's the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: And I watched the movie and they did a fantastic job in it.

Speaker: You know, it had The Hobbit and Watson in it.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: So it was it was a really well done movie, but certainly very quirky humor.

Speaker: So, yes, if you like that British humor, kind of the Monty Python, it's right up your alley.

Speaker: You got to check it out.

Speaker: fantastic movie the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy also if you haven't checked it out someone uh i can't remember his name he's from australia but he actually made a hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy pinball machine and it's it's wonderful it's almost uh pin 2000 style love it so that'd be interesting i never saw that one you'll have to go online and check it out uh it's really really cool so let's introduce our friends at the podcast really quick

Speaker: All right, first off, and we will circle back to this guy later, Zach and Nicole Minney at Flippin' Out Pinball.

Speaker: If you're looking for a new pinball product, contact them.

Speaker: Zach and Nicole are known for getting people what they want, and they have hooked me up with some extra things for my Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Jurassic Park.

Speaker: I just got the amber shooting rod.

Speaker: And I also bought a shaker and they pit art blades for the premium.

Speaker: So I am looking forward to installing those soon.

Speaker: Who else do we have, Josh?

Speaker: We have Brad Hunter with Lit Frames.

Speaker: And actually, Brad Hunter poses a question to us, and I'm going to throw it to a poll on our webpage.

Speaker: If you had to choose between these three pinball machines, which one would you choose?

Speaker: These are all 90s Williams Ballets.

Speaker: We've got, first off, Demolition Man.

Speaker: Second is World Cup Soccer 94.

Speaker: And third is NBA Fast Break.

Speaker: So we're going to throw that to a poll online because Brad wants to know which one you'd go with.

Speaker: And if you leave in the comments why you'd go with that one, that would be even more appreciated.

Speaker: So are you going to put up a Facebook poll or what are you doing?

Speaker: Yes, I'll do a Facebook poll and we'll go from there.

Speaker: But that's courtesy of Brad Hunter with Lit Frames.

Speaker: So when you're doing that poll, think of Brad Hunter and go check out his Lit Frames at litframes.com.

Speaker: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Also, Brian Allen, go and check him out.

Speaker: I have two of his alternative Translites.

Speaker: These things are officially licensed.

Speaker: They're his interpretations on an already excellent back glass.

Speaker: But if you're looking for a way of spicing up your Translite action, then I picked up the Medieval Madness one.

Speaker: which is going to be great because I just got the email that it's time for me to upgrade to my Royal edition.

Speaker: And so I'm going to be buying the, the topper and the light show and the extended thing.

Speaker: So that will look amazing underneath the new trans light.

Speaker: Heck yes.

Speaker: Also, I just want to send a shout out to many of the shows that we've interacted with and they've they've mentioned us.

Speaker: So we listen to them, too.

Speaker: Also, Zach and Dennis in on the TPN, they release their show every Monday and they're always fun to listen to.

Speaker: We also have.

Speaker: Go ahead, Josh.

Speaker: List off a few.

Speaker: Well, the other one that we need to talk about is This Week in Pinball with Jeff Patterson.

Speaker: The gentleman is fantastic on his articles, and if you want some of the know what's going on in the pinball world, he's definitely the man to do it.

Speaker: The other one that we want to throw out our condolences to is Bruce Nightingale and his wife.

Speaker: If you didn't listen to the super awesome pinball show, Bruce did talk about it, and...

Speaker: how COVID has affected their bar, the silver ball saloon, and they did end up having to shut that down.

Speaker: But our hearts go out to you.

Speaker: It sounds like you weren't too heartbroken, but...

Speaker: Well, I think they felt like they were a casualty at the time.

Speaker: They didn't feel like they did anything wrong, which I totally agree with.

Speaker: And as Bruce is also part of the Slam Tilt podcast, also another excellent podcast, also the Super Awesome Pinball Show, friends of the show.

Speaker: I just got a package from Christopher Franchi and I ordered some art from him.

Speaker: So he was able to send that out.

Speaker: So that's also great.

Speaker: I was going to say there's a couple others too.

Speaker: It's funny because I listened to everyone else and like the poor man's pinball podcast talked about us.

Speaker: Tim Lee was on one of their most recent episodes, fan of the show.

Speaker: Awesome dude.

Speaker: Great interview.

Speaker: Also Martin and Jeff with the final round pinball podcast.

Speaker: If you're not checking them out, do it.

Speaker: I mean, there's, it's kind of weird because you know, when we started this, we always joked, there's so many pinball podcasts in the arena and

Speaker: And it's kind of whittled down.

Speaker: TPN has brought some more into the arena, but it seems like a lot of the podcasts are kind of going by the wayside.

Speaker: Well, I think they seem like they're consolidating a little bit.

Speaker: A lot of them tend to be, I guess, a similar format.

Speaker: It's just like you and I are just talking to friends that would normally have a conversation on the phone or in person about pinball and just basically recording that.

Speaker: So it's, it's been great, but yeah.

Speaker: And check out the pinball network.

Speaker: We are obviously just doing our own thing, but we encourage people to go and check out their, their wide range of pinball podcasts.

Speaker: Cause there's always a good thing to check out.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I mean, seriously, it's, it's been fun because we've been able to interact a lot.

Speaker: Also you can't forget Mrs. Penn.

Speaker: She is absolutely hilarious.

Speaker: Just put the earmuffs on the kids.

Speaker: Well, if you want one, Lauren Gray is fantastic with the Backbox Pinball Podcast as well.

Speaker: Absolutely.

Speaker: So all friends of the podcast.

Speaker: It's funny because we all have kind of a group chat and we just chit-chat back and forth through a lot of these podcast people.

Speaker: They're all fantastic people.

Speaker: Honestly, I can't point at one person in the hobby and say that

Speaker: They're not.

Speaker: I mean, they all do great.

Speaker: They have their own lane that they're driving in and they're all doing fantastic at doing it.

Speaker: So we're all different and I love it.

Speaker: I mean, that's why I have a hard time with the Twippy sometimes because the Twippy's you're trying to mark a number one, but everyone's so diverse and different.

Speaker: I mean, you listen to us and yeah, we're two guys BS.

Speaker: And, but then there's poor man's pinball podcast and yeah, they're shooting the breeze as well, but two entirely different shows.

Speaker: If you put us right next to each other.

Speaker: So yeah,

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And there are even shows like Buffalo pinball.

Speaker: Love listening to those guys.

Speaker: I every time I listen to Nick, he's hilarious because he says a lot of the things I'm thinking, but I just I don't have the stones to actually say him on record.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But they basically just do a podcast and they record it and send it out.

Speaker: So that's just a different way of consuming things.

Speaker: Well, we need to have those guys on too.

Speaker: I've talked to Kevin and Nick a little bit.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And really, when I customized my Tron, I saw their Tron and I said, okay, what'd you guys do?

Speaker: And so Kevin sent me a huge list of everything that he had on his Tron.

Speaker: So that's really where, and of course I found other things that I decided to just spend a ridiculous amount of money customizing a game.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So that's, that's pretty much it.

Speaker: It's well, and there's tons out there, please.

Speaker: If you feel like there's no one speaking to you, guess what?

Speaker: There is someone out there just, so just keep looking and you will find your own little group.

Speaker: I agree.

Speaker: So Scott, you got to tell me, you got your premium in.

Speaker: I saw the pitchers.

Speaker: TN's meeting the turtles.

Speaker: What are your, what's your impressions?

Speaker: What are you thinking of it?

Speaker: You know, it's, it's a tough game.

Speaker: I'm, uh, it's, it is a lot of fun though.

Speaker: I, I still have that.

Speaker: Want to play one more.

Speaker: That center ramp shot is it's hard.

Speaker: Um, because it's going so fast that there are two ways to hit the shot.

Speaker: You can either hit the right ramp and,

Speaker: And it comes in and dumps around and screams past the upper flipper.

Speaker: Or there's a way of shooting up from the right flipper and it goes up to a stand up post, hits that and then comes back down so you can hit that.

Speaker: It's, you know, I.

Speaker: I need to be better because I have the same issue with Jurassic Park where you have the Raptor Tower.

Speaker: I have such a hard time hitting that shot because it requires such precision.

Speaker: When I hit it, it feels amazing.

Speaker: But man, that is hard.

Speaker: I am loving the co-op mode and I, I will be, I will be blunt.

Speaker: I am.

Speaker: I can't tell you how many times I am playing the co-op mode alone.

Speaker: So I'm playing every single turtle.

Speaker: So I'm trying to play a game with 12 balls and it's still a hard game.

Speaker: So I totally understand where people feel that it may be on the brutal side.

Speaker: I still think it's a fun, brutal, as opposed to a mean, brutal,

Speaker: And there is a difference.

Speaker: I agree.

Speaker: Um,

Speaker: I think as far as brutality goes, I've come down to, do I want to play a long game or do I want to play quick game?

Speaker: And so if I want to play a quick game, I play single player, but if I want to play a long game, I do the co-op is what I've learned.

Speaker: So what else, what else is, do you feel like you haven't played a pro yet?

Speaker: Have you?

Speaker: I haven't paid a plate a pro.

Speaker: I I'm still getting used to, I've only had it for about a week.

Speaker: Um, um,

Speaker: So the diverter, I'm still trying to figure out like the best way to utilize it.

Speaker: It basically the only time you're really going to utilize the diverter is either on the the center ramp or the left ramp.

Speaker: And then you can choose whether or not you're going to the left or right flipper.

Speaker: And I haven't had enough time with the game to say, oh, yeah, I definitely want to shoot it to this side or shoot to that side.

Speaker: It's the multiballs are great.

Speaker: The eight ball multiball is insane.

Speaker: It really does.

Speaker: It feels fun and chaotic without feeling like it's ridiculous.

Speaker: if you remember the four-player Konami game, the arcade game, where it just felt like you were kind of in button-mashing mode, there's a little bit of that, especially when you're in eight-ball, multi-ball, because it's really hard to trap up on eight-balls.

Speaker: Like you just keep flipping and trying your best.

Speaker: And I'm trying to like stare a little higher up on the flippers.

Speaker: And so I'm not just staring at the lower flipper.

Speaker: I'm trying to stare between them.

Speaker: And so I can see when a ball's coming down that left orbit and I can try to shoot it up into that center ramp.

Speaker: But it's, it's a fun game.

Speaker: I, I,

Speaker: I'm I think it will be around for a while.

Speaker: Just think of there are games that are brutal and fun.

Speaker: Think of Tron.

Speaker: Think of Iron Man.

Speaker: They are both fun.

Speaker: They're both brutal, but they all have that shot that is satisfying.

Speaker: That's for you, Christopher Frenchy.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Oh my goodness.

Speaker: No, I agree with you on all fronts.

Speaker: I think that the game is very, very fun, very fast.

Speaker: I don't know if I really have any complaints about it because my collection consists of World Cup Soccer 94, Attack for Mars, and Teenage Mutant Turtles.

Speaker: And so I feel like it's beginner, novice, expert.

Speaker: And so I feel like it fits exactly where I want to in my collection.

Speaker: So which one's the expert right now?

Speaker: Turtles?

Speaker: Turtles.

Speaker: Oh, yeah.

Speaker: It's funny because I've been playing Turtles nonstop since I got it, what, three weeks ago?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I finally turned on World Cup last night, and I got to Germany and beat them both via World Cup's actual tournament.

Speaker: If you people are familiar with it, you accumulate the cities until you actually get to the World Cup.

Speaker: And then I've also beat, you also beat Jeremy on the multi-ball side.

Speaker: So you start multi-ball and then you go through the teams, you score a goal and then you shoot a ramp, score a goal, shoot a ramp.

Speaker: Very, very scared, stiff Elvira style where you shoot the crate and you shoot a ramp and shoot a crate and shoot a ramp.

Speaker: Um,

Speaker: And like I said, last night I got to World Cup with no problem.

Speaker: I felt like World Cup really slowed down compared to Turtles.

Speaker: And so I feel like Turtles make me a better player.

Speaker: Yeah, that's that's basically what my friend said.

Speaker: He had he had Star Wars.

Speaker: And again, Star Wars was a brutal game, but I would say less on the fun side.

Speaker: Just and that's a personal take.

Speaker: However, he said he would play Star Wars and then he'd and he's the guy with the he's Gary.

Speaker: He's the one with the Bally Williams collection.

Speaker: And every time he would go, he'd play Star Wars and then go play another one.

Speaker: He said, I would get like the grand champion score every time.

Speaker: because it made him a better player.

Speaker: So I'm not saying that having only brutal games is fun, but it does make you a better player, especially if you're dealing with the fast reaction time being able to shoot on the fly.

Speaker: You know, I found one thing that I do not like with Turtles.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: One thing.

Speaker: And this is going to be a very small complaint, and I highly doubt anyone else, I don't know, maybe this is me being conceited.

Speaker: So in Final Battle...

Speaker: Okay, wait, wait, wait, you skipped.

Speaker: You yada, yada, yada right up until the final battle.

Speaker: So you need to say, okay, so I was playing and I got to the final battle.

Speaker: Correct.

Speaker: So I got to final battle.

Speaker: Did you do it on one guy or four?

Speaker: I did it on four.

Speaker: Okay, all right.

Speaker: And I'm so stoked.

Speaker: There's three phases to final battle.

Speaker: And the first phase is a multi-ball and you got to hit so many shots.

Speaker: And then once you finish a shot, it drains all the balls.

Speaker: And then you go into the second phase and all the shots are lit.

Speaker: So from the middle to the right is bebop and from the middle to the left is rock steady.

Speaker: No, sorry, vice versa on that.

Speaker: And you got to hit all the shots and you can work on it.

Speaker: You can work on just Rocksteady or just Bebop.

Speaker: But I learned, because once you hit all the shots, then it lights the orbit for that person.

Speaker: So if you complete all the purple shots, it lights the right orbit for Rocksteady, and you've got to hit the right orbit.

Speaker: And then if you complete all the red shots, then it lights the left orbit for Bebop.

Speaker: Sorry, I'm drawing this out.

Speaker: I do apologize.

Speaker: It's really hard to do because it's not a multi-ball.

Speaker: It's a single ball thing.

Speaker: And once you go for it, once you get all the shots for Rocksteady, if you don't hit the right orbit in time, it reverts and you have to do all the shots over again for Rocksteady.

Speaker: Oh, it's like a hard wizard mode?

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Like, I don't get this.

Speaker: Because I figured this out the hard way because I got all Rocksteady done.

Speaker: So I completed Bebop.

Speaker: I'm like, perfect.

Speaker: So I'm working on Rocksteady.

Speaker: And Rocksteady is kind of the hardest shots because it's the center ramp shot.

Speaker: And I get the crank shot.

Speaker: I get the center ramp.

Speaker: And for some odd reason, I'm just not hitting that orbit.

Speaker: And then all of a sudden, it's blinking really fast.

Speaker: I'm like, what does that even mean?

Speaker: And all of a sudden, it stops blinking and it resets all the shots.

Speaker: And I was like, you've got to be joking me.

Speaker: I felt so discouraged because I'm like, it's a single ball.

Speaker: It's not like you could just...

Speaker: Because multi-ball, you're just hitting, right?

Speaker: You're just trying to get shots.

Speaker: You're just spraying prey, right?

Speaker: And so when you're in single ball and you have to hit all the shots, it's a lot more difficult.

Speaker: But that's my only complaint is like I don't feel like – I feel like if I hit all those shots –

Speaker: The final shot shouldn't time out.

Speaker: I shouldn't only have 30 seconds or a minute.

Speaker: But I finally, on Saturday evening, in co-op mode, did finish the final wizard mode.

Speaker: There's three phases to it.

Speaker: I'm not going to ruin anything else.

Speaker: Just tell you there is three phases to it.

Speaker: Fantastic, though.

Speaker: I really enjoyed it.

Speaker: And I'm still... I love the game.

Speaker: I don't think it's leaving my collection anytime soon.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: It's a, it's brutal, but fun.

Speaker: And, uh, you know what I, Iron Man, it actually works out perfectly in my Iron Man spot because Iron Man was the same.

Speaker: It was brutal, but fun.

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: So do you like turtles more than Iron Man or you need more time on turtles?

Speaker: Oh, I need way more time.

Speaker: Uh, it's an Iron Man was, uh, you know, it was a fan layout and you got just kind of used to it.

Speaker: Um,

Speaker: Yeah, I think that it has the potential.

Speaker: I think it has the potential of possibly making me maybe consider selling Tron.

Speaker: Wow.

Speaker: It seems to be just a more advanced version of Tron.

Speaker: True.

Speaker: You don't have the... Well, you have the spinning disc, but you don't have the... I can't remember what it's called up in the top middle.

Speaker: It's essentially the spinning disc.

Speaker: The spinning disc, yeah.

Speaker: So...

Speaker: Yeah, so it just depends.

Speaker: It seems like it's kind of a combination of Iron Man and Tron together.

Speaker: Okay, I can see that.

Speaker: And it has a much better incorporation on the disc, on the pizza disc, because it spins both ways, which one of my major complaints of having those discs is typically...

Speaker: It just has one speed.

Speaker: And on my X-Men, it just shoots it to the left out lane every single time.

Speaker: It's just dialed in.

Speaker: And the fact that it's going one way and then the other, it provides some movement to the ball without getting annoying.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And I love the multi-ball start with it.

Speaker: It is, it's, that multi-ball is one of the coolest starting multi-balls.

Speaker: On X-Men, it's even, it's just as good because it's the Magneto multi-ball and it drops down, it goes down and it just spins and explodes out.

Speaker: And it is perfect thematically relevant for Magneto.

Speaker: And I think this feels very incorporated too with Turtles where you have all, you know, three or four of them going at once.

Speaker: So it's a lot of fun.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I love how much this game has been incorporated with the TV series.

Speaker: If you watch, I know people like where the heck's gummy bears coming from?

Speaker: If you've ever just watched like even the first episode, they're eating like whipped cream pizzas and, you know, anchovies and jelly beans and,

Speaker: And so I like that.

Speaker: I feel like this whole game hits on all cylinders for me, especially being a Ninja Turtles fan.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: And I love having the premium extra stuff, the extra stuff.

Speaker: However, I totally think that if you were looking at buying a Turtles and wanted to get the pros, I think you would be 100%...

Speaker: made whole, just like Metallica, where I think Metallica, yeah, you have some stuff that's different in the premium, but you don't really feel like you're being gypped by playing the pro.

Speaker: So I know that you listened to the pinball show today because we were kind of discussing it.

Speaker: They talked about trending down turtles because people are selling them based off the brutality.

Speaker: I don't know if Zach got this information off the forms of Pinside or whatnot.

Speaker: Do you feel like that's justified or do you?

Speaker: In many ways, I can understand the LE prices.

Speaker: The only ones that seem to be locked in and not budging are Keith Elwin's games.

Speaker: The Jurassic Park Iron Maiden.

Speaker: I still have yet to see an Iron Maiden LE that's being sold.

Speaker: Now, I actually prefer the art package.

Speaker: On the premium on the Iron Maiden, I actually prefer the premium art package.

Speaker: And so I would be interested in getting that the the premium at some point.

Speaker: But yeah, the it seems like Ellie's they tend to be they tend to be people who are interested in the hobby, but they're collectors and really they just have some extra stuff.

Speaker: extra disposable income.

Speaker: So they buy an LE, it's top of the line, it's pretty, they hold it for a while and then they say, oh, there's another LE that's coming out.

Speaker: Oh, well, okay, let's sell this one and get another one.

Speaker: So they seem to be okay with taking a loss of $500, $500, $700, even $1,000, just because they just, when you're in that price bracket of buying a toy for almost $10,000,

Speaker: You can say, well, OK, I'm going to rent this game for a while at that price range, and I want the premium package or the LE package, I guess.

Speaker: So they're willing to take that hit.

Speaker: Doesn't doesn't seem to be the case with other titles, but it seems to be the standard trend with most LEs.

Speaker: I agree.

Speaker: So I don't think it's that big of a deal.

Speaker: It's certainly not a... And the challenge is we had the same designer and the same coder, and they had people complaining on their Munsters project that it was too easy.

Speaker: And so...

Speaker: Come on, guys.

Speaker: Just the bottom line is good.

Speaker: You can find a game that you like.

Speaker: So it can be too easy.

Speaker: It can be too hard.

Speaker: But I think the fun factor of this game will keep it around for me for a long time.

Speaker: I agree.

Speaker: I think the family friendliness of it, too, will keep it in my collection.

Speaker: Oh, absolutely.

Speaker: And this is something that kids will find fun.

Speaker: The Munsters.

Speaker: I'm sorry.

Speaker: I remember the Munsters and syndication when I was a kid.

Speaker: And so really, I doubt that you remember the Monsters in Syndication.

Speaker: No, I, well, I remember on Nick and night, I did watch it every once in a while.

Speaker: Okay, sure.

Speaker: But I, it was, so you have to be at least 45 years old for this, for Munsters to be kind of a relevant theme, which is maybe why they went for an easier theme.

Speaker: Cause if grandpa's buying it for his man cave and yes, I'm saying grandpa, I'm sure grandma could do it too.

Speaker: Uh, but I have a feeling that that demographic is going to want in a slightly easier game.

Speaker: I agree.

Speaker: So, so are you going to buy the topper?

Speaker: Cause apparently the topper eye is an option, which is that, uh, weird, uh, that, that bowling ball thingy.

Speaker: It's the technodrome eye.

Speaker: So there's an eye up on top of the technodrome.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: And yes, if it, if it's like the black night and it's the technodrome, I I'm sold.

Speaker: I mean, that'd be so cool.

Speaker: The eye watching you and shredder harassing you.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: I, okay.

Speaker: You think shredder, I, I, I can't imagine it being anything other than the technodrome with the eye, just looking around.

Speaker: Like I, I would kind of prefer it to be shredder, like basically repurposing the black night topper and making shredder and him mocking you the whole time.

Speaker: But,

Speaker: Um, yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: You could do that or have Krang harassing you the whole time.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And Krang is okay.

Speaker: By the way, that is awesome.

Speaker: Like you do kind of miss that out on the pro cause the premium has like illuminated Krang that bounces up and down and harasses you.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Which is, which is kind of hilarious on the premium.

Speaker: Well, you talked about Elwynn.

Speaker: And the price not dropping on his games.

Speaker: And we had a Stern teaser this last Friday.

Speaker: And we're hearing rumors.

Speaker: I want to hear your takes on first.

Speaker: Let's do let's break it down the Stern teaser and let's let's break down the rumors.

Speaker: Okay, so if you haven't seen the Stern teaser, I'm not really sure why you're listening to a pinball podcast because we are... Like, we're dipping from the same well as the people who are going to go and watch the teaser, right?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So teaser comes out and it is...

Speaker: It's basically the Marvel intro, how it has that card flip thing.

Speaker: And then it usually goes into the Marvel logo.

Speaker: However, this time it went to the Stern logo.

Speaker: And then it said, assembling soon.

Speaker: Now, for anybody who's remotely connected to the Marvel Universe, who says assemble?

Speaker: The Avengers.

Speaker: It's the Avengers.

Speaker: And so this really shocked me because I didn't think they were going to go back to that well.

Speaker: However, there have been three Avengers movies that have the Avengers in the title.

Speaker: There's been the Avengers.

Speaker: There's been Avengers Infinity War and Avengers Endgame.

Speaker: There's been four movies.

Speaker: You forgot Age of Ultron.

Speaker: Oh, yeah.

Speaker: I totally forgot about that one.

Speaker: Yeah, it wasn't really that good.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: So yeah, of the four Avengers movies, Age of Ultron was my least favorite.

Speaker: But it kind of makes sense that the Avengers was the first one where they started going through and saying, okay, we're going to do this now.

Speaker: And they really, again, Star Wars, if you want to take a lesson on how to do a franchise right, why do you take a page out of the Marvel Universe?

Speaker: Like quit doing all these crazy, weird, schizophrenic movies that are just on there.

Speaker: It's like they can't figure out who, like what the Star Wars universe is.

Speaker: There is no cohesive story from one, from one movie to another.

Speaker: And it just seems like they are reinventing things.

Speaker: Every single movie.

Speaker: Guess what?

Speaker: With the,

Speaker: the, uh, with the, and by the way, my, I be saying that it is, I am not trying to make any derogatory comments toward anyone with mental health issues.

Speaker: What I am saying is that it just seems unfocused.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And so I don't want anyone to, to misinterpret what I'm saying, but it just seems like they don't know who they are.

Speaker: Well, if you look at the Marvel universe, they know who they are.

Speaker: And, uh,

Speaker: for better or worse, they have been able to keep a very symmetrical theme.

Speaker: So every single piece of the puzzle seems to be as if it's a similar director or a similar writer with, without, without seeing like it's plug and play, like each, you know, the guardians of the galaxy movie feels a little different than a captain America movie feels a little different than an infinity.

Speaker: or an Avengers movie, which is very similar to how comic books are.

Speaker: When you're in a universe, you have a different element in the universe, but it still fits together in the universe.

Speaker: Star Wars hasn't figured that out.

Speaker: They seem to be lost.

Speaker: They have some hits and a lot of misses.

Speaker: So that's a long rambling statement to say, look, the crowning achievement of the last 20, 22, 23 films was Endgame.

Speaker: And so they needed a final chapter on that Marvel Universe.

Speaker: They needed to have that war, the Infinity War and Endgame.

Speaker: And I think that that seems to be where this is going.

Speaker: What that's I I've talked way too long.

Speaker: Go ahead, Josh.

Speaker: What do you think?

Speaker: So originally when we were discussing the what's coming next on our last episode,

Speaker: Avengers did stick in the back of my mind.

Speaker: And the reason being is the first one, I don't know if you would consider a flop from Stern, but it's not regarded as one of their better games.

Speaker: I consider it a miss.

Speaker: I wouldn't consider it a flop, but I would consider it a miss.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Like it's, uh, there are some things that work about it, but there are a few things like the Hulk arms and the black widow ramp.

Speaker: If they're, if they are, uh,

Speaker: tuned up then it works oh it works fine but i don't know anybody who plays avengers and says i love that game i agree and i think the price is reflective of that as well it's one of the cheaper if you're looking for a modern stern it's one of the cheaper ones to pick up and so i think that's what also ties in the factor i feel like it's it was kind of a miss

Speaker: So when we were speculating on our last episode, part of me was like, it would make sense, the Avengers, because look at, I mean, Endgame was what?

Speaker: Well, it was now the highest grossing film of all time.

Speaker: It's like two point something billion dollars.

Speaker: And Infinity War was one point whatever billion dollars.

Speaker: And so you're roughly three and a half, four billion dollars between two movies.

Speaker: And granted, this is the comic book.

Speaker: Did it finally beat Avatar or?

Speaker: Yes, it did.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: It finally beat Avatar after they re-released it in theaters like two months after it came out.

Speaker: They literally re-released it just so they could beat Avatar.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: But back to the point.

Speaker: If you're doing a comic book version, which this has got the Black Order and stuff like that, it would make sense that someone said it was Infinity Quest.

Speaker: I don't think it is.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Well, that was Kaneda, who also said it was Queen.

Speaker: So if you're going to do the comic book version, you're probably going to do Infinity Gauntlet.

Speaker: Yeah, I don't see anybody like if you're going to title a game Infinity Quest, I can't think of a more dud title.

Speaker: If you're going to go for it, you're going to go for Infinity Gauntlet or Infinity War.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Those are the two options.

Speaker: That's it.

Speaker: But here's the hard part.

Speaker: So in the Marvel Universe, the Infinity War series was entirely different from the Thanos ones.

Speaker: So the Infinity War series was part of like some weird, it actually had Ultron in it.

Speaker: Are you talking the Secret Wars?

Speaker: No, I'm talking, it's called Infinity War.

Speaker: You can look it up, go get Comicology.

Speaker: But it's talking about, it's a combination of Thanos and Ultron.

Speaker: Ultron becomes super smart and then takes over like some bug race and uses the bug race.

Speaker: It's very Starship Troopers meets Marvel.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: So you'd have to, if it's comic books, in my opinion, you'd have to go Infinity Gauntlet because Infinity War is an entirely different subsection.

Speaker: Unless if you're doing a comic book version of the movie, but if you're doing that, you've added more people into the game than actually are in the movie.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: So, I mean, I would say that it's it's certainly tied in to the end of the movie franchise.

Speaker: And it's the same thing as Deadpool, where, yes, they didn't pay for Ryan Reynolds to come out.

Speaker: But because they didn't pay for that asset and they worked with Marvel, they had freedom to do other things.

Speaker: So maybe just having there's a there's a game coming out with PlayStation next month.

Speaker: And so it's, it's something along those lines.

Speaker: It's an Avengers game.

Speaker: And so I don't care how they do the storyline, but it's certainly around the infinity gauntlet.

Speaker: So I have no idea what they're going to name it, but that makes sense to me.

Speaker: And I, I like that we are going with the comic book.

Speaker: I think you can get more of the characters because look at the very first Avengers pinball machine.

Speaker: It was based solely off the first movie.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And you only have the five heroes.

Speaker: Was there five or six from the first movie?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Black Widow, Thor, Iron Man, Captain America, Hawkeye.

Speaker: Well, in my opinion, it would be a nightmare, an absolute nightmare.

Speaker: Licensing would be crazy.

Speaker: There's no way you're going to license that many people.

Speaker: So just from a logistical standpoint, it would be impossible to do it.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And so you want the brand recognition and you want all these characters that everyone has come to love and know over the last 23 movies or 22.

Speaker: But you don't want the licensing nightmare there.

Speaker: I mean, look at Pirates of the Caribbean.

Speaker: Oh, geez.

Speaker: I can't imagine what Eric went through on that one.

Speaker: I can't either.

Speaker: But the point being is I think Avengers is a smart move because you get Marvel characters that are not going to get their own pinball machine.

Speaker: Well, you also get the storyline that's relevant.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: We're only a year out from Endgame.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And it still resonates.

Speaker: I still feel bad for Marvel because I do not know what they're going to do now.

Speaker: I mean, they've postponed Black Widow.

Speaker: And I don't know if that's because of COVID or because it buys them more time to figure out what the heck they're doing.

Speaker: I think they're smart enough to have a second thing.

Speaker: I mean, I will say that with Spider-Man, the Far From Home, I mean, they...

Speaker: That was after, you know, after, hey, spoiler alert, Tony Stark died.

Speaker: So that was after that.

Speaker: And, you know, it was a very, I would say, moving, like a moving synopsis in Spider-Man where he talks about that Tony, Tony gave it to you.

Speaker: He never doubted you.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So.

Speaker: Well, but here's the problem, too.

Speaker: So we could see there was a very clear direction of where they were going with Black Panther, with Captain Marvel, with Spider-Man.

Speaker: Like, God rest his soul, Chad Bozeman passes away on Sunday.

Speaker: Yeah, that was... And obviously shocked everybody.

Speaker: No one knew that was going on, so...

Speaker: And no one knew that he had colon cancer and he was fighting that wall filming Black Panther.

Speaker: That's wow.

Speaker: That's just wow.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And so, so when your star actors, that's going to lead you into the next is gone and they can recast him.

Speaker: I mean, it's not the first time.

Speaker: I think they'll have to, and they'll have to find someone who will, um, basically be able to bring, uh, his own take on it while honoring Chadwick's legacy.

Speaker: Does that make sense?

Speaker: It's, um,

Speaker: You know, because he he will always be iconic and there there are ways of doing it.

Speaker: And it's not like and I think Marvel will have their everybody's blessing because they want that character to live on.

Speaker: They don't want to die with Chadwick.

Speaker: They want they want that feeling of.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: In this time, this has been a very tumultuous year where a lot of issues that have always been there have kind of boiled to the surface and resonated meaningfully in many people's minds.

Speaker: Black Panther was one of those movies that I think resonated and spoke to a large demographic that didn't feel like they had the same voice.

Speaker: So they don't want that voice to be silent with Chadwick.

Speaker: They want his legacy to live on.

Speaker: So I guarantee they will figure out a way, a meaningful way of making Black Panther 2 work.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But it certainly pushed out a little bit, obviously.

Speaker: And I'm sure Marvel was aware.

Speaker: I'm sure that the people were very aware of what Chadwick was going through.

Speaker: But out of respect for him, they were not public with what was going on.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And then, like I said, I guess we're, I guess we've gotten off the rails, but as far as.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: But this is what we're talking about.

Speaker: We're talking about the relevancy of Marvel and where we go now.

Speaker: Well, this is why the pin is the perfect, like a, a cornerstone pin that is going to incorporate a billion characters into a meaningful story.

Speaker: That's why the comic book is such a great way of taking that.

Speaker: Now we go ahead.

Speaker: I was going to say, I just, I really think that it is a genius move.

Speaker: You've got zombie Eddie, which we're going to get to.

Speaker: Well, we're guessing I, I, I has zombie officially said it's his.

Speaker: I thought he did, but we could be entirely wrong.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I think that they have posted more.

Speaker: He has, excuse me.

Speaker: He has posted more on, on social media more recently and saying how things are coming out.

Speaker: And it certainly looks zombie Yeti-esque.

Speaker: Oh, he posted on Zombie Yeti Studios.

Speaker: I'm quoting verbatim.

Speaker: It's been a busy year.

Speaker: Wink.

Speaker: Yeah, and that's what I read too.

Speaker: So it's not like he's saying, hey, y'all, the next game is mine, but it's... I really think it's Zombie Yeti, looking at the artwork and with what he said.

Speaker: And the other rumor to it is...

Speaker: keith ellen's designing it and if you remember the last time we had him on he said he already had game three done and in the bag and he was working on game four yeah so it's not out of the realm of him having this being his game it does seem a little interesting and just that uh it seemed like steve richie was up next in the rotation but uh hey they can shuffle things around depending on what's available and what's ready

Speaker: And it seems like that one's ready.

Speaker: And it's the perfect pin to come out right now.

Speaker: And really, it doesn't really seem like a Steve Ritchie type theme.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And Steve Ritchie, he did Spider-Man.

Speaker: So, but all the other superhero ones, he hasn't really done.

Speaker: I agree.

Speaker: So I think it will be.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: And full disclosure, when I saw the teaser, I immediately said, okay, is this a home pin?

Speaker: Yes, that's what I thought, too.

Speaker: So I thought I thought this would this will be a home pin version.

Speaker: And then when I found out it was a cornerstone and I found out that the rumored the rumored designer was Elwin and the rumored artist was Zombie Yeti.

Speaker: I immediately texted Zach and said, I want Nellie.

Speaker: So I am on and now it's not official.

Speaker: So nothing.

Speaker: So distributors cannot take any sort of official confirmation, but they can take interested lists.

Speaker: So if there's, hey, I think this next pin is going to be this and therefore I'm interested in this.

Speaker: But it's I think it's going to be a feeding frenzy when it finally gets announced.

Speaker: And we're guessing this week sometime.

Speaker: Can we talk about the insanity of that, though?

Speaker: Let's talk about this just for two seconds.

Speaker: All we have to go on is a 10 to 12 second clip of possibly distorted zombies Yeti art.

Speaker: Nothing else besides that it's Infinity War.

Speaker: The rumor, we don't have any confirmation, but the rumor, it's Keith L. One.

Speaker: I'm going to say confirmed zombie Yeti.

Speaker: I'm going out there.

Speaker: Confirmed zombie Yeti.

Speaker: And that's it.

Speaker: And we hear that the interested lists are tapped out.

Speaker: if they go off of the five to 600 that they usually do for limited editions, this game's limited editions are already sold and we've only seen a 10 to 12 second teaser clip.

Speaker: Is that insanity or is that just, we're so confident in Keith Elwin and zombie Yeti that we're just like, boom, sold.

Speaker: Like, no even questions.

Speaker: Like, we're doing this.

Speaker: Well, okay.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: I love zombie Yeti art.

Speaker: I'll put it out there.

Speaker: I won't.

Speaker: I do too.

Speaker: I won't buy a Ghostbusters.

Speaker: It's I, I, um, Ghostbusters is such a pretty game and it's so packed.

Speaker: The play field is so packed and I just don't have fun playing it.

Speaker: I don't, I just, I don't.

Speaker: Now, when I, I look at turtles, same artist, um,

Speaker: different designer and it's packed it feels very packed like um like ghostbusters did but it feels fun and the layout is great okay so i'm going more on the designer like but we haven't confirmed it's keith okay well okay but now

Speaker: Now, now the interested list is I am interested in that product.

Speaker: Now I haven't cut a $10,000 check yet.

Speaker: And so there therein lies the difference.

Speaker: If I had, if, if I got a call from a distributor that says, look, a game's coming out.

Speaker: We don't know who the designer is.

Speaker: We think it's this artist.

Speaker: Are you in?

Speaker: Give me $10,000.

Speaker: I think you would have a lot less people who would be doing this.

Speaker: I don't think so.

Speaker: And the reason being is we can look at the history of... Look at Iron Maiden.

Speaker: His very first game, and yes, he had Archer out, but it sold out... I think the LA sold out within a couple of days, didn't it?

Speaker: And that's fair.

Speaker: But people assumed it was going to be... I don't know.

Speaker: I guess there's some...

Speaker: Keith has a lot of goodwill in the hobby too.

Speaker: If anybody has a negative feeling about Keith Elwin, then you're a horrible person.

Speaker: I just don't see what about Keith?

Speaker: He's genuinely a nice guy.

Speaker: He's approachable.

Speaker: He's a little quiet and he's not going to ruffle feathers.

Speaker: It's

Speaker: people saw the archer and assumed that it was going to be pretty much archer.

Speaker: And it was, but you're right.

Speaker: You know, you do have me on the, um, on that.

Speaker: However, there is also rumblings when people on the inside, uh,

Speaker: start saying you got to check this one out.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: That says something.

Speaker: So we've got, yeah.

Speaker: Do you remember, do you remember when we, when we interviewed Josh Sharp and the Jurassic park had come out for three months and I offered him, I said, okay, in the last 10 years, what's the best game?

Speaker: And he said, is it too early to say Jurassic park?

Speaker: And I said, really?

Speaker: Like you've played so many games.

Speaker: He's like, yeah, it's really that good.

Speaker: So when you have insiders who have play testing experience and they're like, you got to check this one out.

Speaker: This is good.

Speaker: But we've had some feelers out now.

Speaker: It's not like I have a pipeline of people who work in the industry.

Speaker: But you have, you know, who are connected to me, but you have people say, hey, you should check this out or, hey, watch for this.

Speaker: And when people who are in the know start saying that, that tells me there's something special that they are impressed with.

Speaker: And that doesn't happen a lot, but it does happen that there are enough times when you get that sort of buzz that it does push you.

Speaker: Well, and I don't know, I guess when it comes down to it, like Keith has definitely earned it there.

Speaker: Keith is awesome and his games are great.

Speaker: The other rumor I'm hearing too is, is it's harder than Iron Maiden, Iron Maiden, but it's easier than Jurassic Park.

Speaker: So that could be good.

Speaker: Um, Jurassic Park is hard.

Speaker: Like Jurassic, like my, the two hardest games I have in my, well,

Speaker: Yeah, the two hardest games I have in my collection are Jurassic Park and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So maybe this will be a welcome addition.

Speaker: Marvel's Avengers, I guarantee you could probably almost any location people are going to be drawn to it.

Speaker: My only advice, I know that the game's pretty much done.

Speaker: We're probably going to see it revealed here soon.

Speaker: I just I hope that you got good voice actors because my only cringe is is get X-Men.

Speaker: X-Men.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: You know, I think they've learned a little less.

Speaker: I with Iron Maiden and they took a theme.

Speaker: I I'm on the record.

Speaker: I love the band.

Speaker: I'm totally in on the theme.

Speaker: I am a severe outlier in that situation.

Speaker: And people still bought the game despite the theme.

Speaker: Now, Zombie Yeti made it look awesome.

Speaker: And I the voice actors they used on that game were so good that, yeah, it did take it to a different level.

Speaker: And, you know, Turtles, again, hard game.

Speaker: And hey, Mark, every time I think of Splinter talking to me, I'm like, hey, Mark, thanks.

Speaker: Thanks, buddy.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: My son keeps running around like he brings friends over.

Speaker: He's like, that's Johnny Bravo.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I actually, when I unpacked the game, I sent a picture of it to Mark and I said, hey, we're playing you.

Speaker: Dude, Mark's the best.

Speaker: We should chat with him.

Speaker: He's a really good guy.

Speaker: So good.

Speaker: So, yeah, I, and that's true.

Speaker: And the history though, it builds upon it.

Speaker: So you have that, that, and the last two games, if it is a Keith Elwin game, they've won game of the year.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So that's a pretty good track record.

Speaker: That's a good batting average.

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: Well, and, and I thought honestly that turtles was going to be the last one I buy for a little while.

Speaker: And after hearing this, I'm like, dang it.

Speaker: I'm trying to figure out why I need to sell and yeah, I haven't seen the game yet.

Speaker: And I'm like, do I, I'm not selling anything yet, but I'm like just getting ready to run like everyone else.

Speaker: Once the gates open, the floodgates open and yeah.

Speaker: Well, I've got, uh, so X-Men's probably is finally going to be going.

Speaker: Uh, I'll probably be parting with Spider-Man.

Speaker: Um, may, may be parting with black Rose, uh,

Speaker: You know what?

Speaker: Even with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, even though I love Tron, I think I'm kind of over it.

Speaker: So I may be looking at if someone's looking for a super nice Tron, you know, send me a message because I don't know if you'll find a nicer one than mine.

Speaker: You're going to have to put that up for.

Speaker: Yeah, dude, that's.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: It's, it's, it's so pretty.

Speaker: So I like, I love it, but I'm, I, I, you need to, you need to start moving things and I cannot sell the games.

Speaker: My, my wife loves, that's the bottom line.

Speaker: So, and that's my rule.

Speaker: That's a, that's a quick pro tip.

Speaker: If you're, if you are the primary driver in the hobby and your spouse likes a few things, sell your games before you sell their games.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: True.

Speaker: So I guess the other question I have too is we had a JJP teaser and we've been hearing rumors of, of guns and roses.

Speaker: Um, I personally feel like it's guns and roses.

Speaker: We're hearing that's toy story, but it's the, the source I've talked to may sound like guns and roses is coming out this month or in September.

Speaker: it's guns and roses.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And I trust them over everyone else.

Speaker: Um, I just, I don't know though.

Speaker: It'd be really, really weird.

Speaker: Toy Story is not coming out with another one anytime soon.

Speaker: And so it's, I mean, guns and roses, they just barely finished their giant tour.

Speaker: Um, it makes sense that it would be GNR.

Speaker: I don't think there's a time there's there's nothing time sensitive about Toy Story.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Hi.

Speaker: The one question in this the question I've had a long time is that, wow, the like do the lyrics from the Guns N' Roses song or do they resonate in 2020 the way they resonated in 1987?

Speaker: And are they widely acceptable?

Speaker: Now, guess what?

Speaker: That's not changing it.

Speaker: Like the people who are Guns N' Roses fans.

Speaker: Guess what?

Speaker: They're not finding new fans.

Speaker: They're just going off the same fans they always had.

Speaker: So those fans don't really care.

Speaker: They're familiar with those lyrics.

Speaker: They know what they are.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So I just don't see it being a big deal for for the fan base they're selling to, I guess, for location and maybe for home environment.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Guns N' Roses machine is not going to make it my home.

Speaker: And I'm torn.

Speaker: I've got little kids, so I probably won't.

Speaker: If you're going to put Avengers in front of me versus Guns N' Roses, it's a no brainer.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Love you, Eric.

Speaker: We're pretty certain that the going rumor is that it's Eric's game.

Speaker: Absolutely.

Speaker: I would love to have an Eric game.

Speaker: If they ever make Pirates, I probably would pick that up.

Speaker: But yeah, sorry.

Speaker: Guns N' Roses is kind of a nonstarter in my house.

Speaker: But I think it's a great theme for at the bars and stuff like that.

Speaker: Absolutely.

Speaker: You know, okay.

Speaker: ACDC also is a non-starter at my house.

Speaker: When Metallica came up for sale, I texted my wife and said, hey, on a scale of one to 10, how interested are you in having a Metallica machine?

Speaker: And she said, is there a negative number?

Speaker: You're like, oh, no, honey, no.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So that's, I mean, it's also kind of hard to have a family-friendly game when they hit the ramp.

Speaker: They're like, F yeah!

Speaker: She's like, whoa.

Speaker: That was a whopper.

Speaker: See, but I love Guns N' Roses.

Speaker: This is the problem.

Speaker: Like, I don't know.

Speaker: See, I don't really...

Speaker: I don't get the Gus and Roses love.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Sorry.

Speaker: I love appetite destruction.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Fine.

Speaker: But man, like I, yeah, you know, like that movie that you really loved and then you watch it again and you're like, yeah, it's just, it doesn't speak to me the same way it did back then.

Speaker: I would have a hard time listening to appetite for destruction the same way I did as an angry teenager.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: So yeah, there's a lot of that.

Speaker: I was like, Ooh, I, yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: So maybe I can play paradise city every time.

Speaker: So I hope whatever it is, guns and roses are a toy story.

Speaker: I'm excited to see more JJP.

Speaker: Like seriously, I played the Hobbit like a month ago and I know it's probably the worst JJP game out there, but honestly, honestly,

Speaker: A JJP pinball machine is an entirely different experience than a regular pinball machine.

Speaker: It's the sound system.

Speaker: It's the clips.

Speaker: You feel like you're immersed in the world.

Speaker: And don't get me wrong, I feel that with Ninja Turtles and stuff like that, but I feel like there's just something about JJP that feels like a step above everything else.

Speaker: You're kind of a JJP fanboy right now.

Speaker: Maybe that's it.

Speaker: And I don't own any of the JJP stuff and mates because it's very cost prohibitive, prohibitive to me.

Speaker: I mean, it is what it is, but I just got my hub at playfield today.

Speaker: Very nice.

Speaker: So they were.

Speaker: So here's a pro tip on the JJP Facebook thing.

Speaker: They're selling off basically factory seconds.

Speaker: And so I bought a Hobbit play field.

Speaker: And so I'm just going to use it as art because I still think the play field is beautiful.

Speaker: But yeah, it's OK.

Speaker: There's no game that has such an immersive experience that

Speaker: than the Hobbit, a better job of immersing you in the movie.

Speaker: I still don't find it very fun, but it's, it's still a fun experience, I guess.

Speaker: So, but, but they are trending up there.

Speaker: It's a, people are finding more ways of enjoying the Hobbit.

Speaker: So,

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So I just want to put this out there to everyone.

Speaker: I'm just going to say you're welcome.

Speaker: Because you remember two episodes ago when we're like, dude, where is Deep Root?

Speaker: It is radio silence.

Speaker: Oh, there you go.

Speaker: We're not here in a thing.

Speaker: We're not here in a single thing.

Speaker: And what was it?

Speaker: And I have it a couple days later.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Boom.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: We woke up the Deep Root.

Speaker: We watered the root.

Speaker: It's time to grow.

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: So you're everyone, you're welcome.

Speaker: I don't know if that's what you're asking for, but boom.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: No, I'm excited.

Speaker: Let's see what Deep Root has to offer.

Speaker: More pinball is always, it's always good in this hobby, right?

Speaker: Well, I, again, more seats to the table, like make the table bigger and bring in more chairs.

Speaker: Manufacturers will drive each other to excellence.

Speaker: And so I'm interested.

Speaker: I, I feel bad that man, what a year to pick, to try to start a pinball company, or at least try to launch a pinball company.

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: I'm glad that Robert has deep pockets because any other place would probably just say, I'm taking my ball and going home.

Speaker: Well, and one thing I want to point out too, I talked to someone in the hobby that's very predominant in the hobby, and we were discussing September's schedule, and they reassured me, said, September is going to be jam-packed.

Speaker: And this was before everything started coming out.

Speaker: And now look, I mean, we've got Stern, we've got JJP, we've got Deep Root.

Speaker: I mean, can anyone else, I know American just did

Speaker: Hot Wheels, so they're probably not going to do anything.

Speaker: I'm like, it's going to be a crazy September.

Speaker: Yeah, and it's good.

Speaker: I think that everybody's been chomping at the bit.

Speaker: And it's good because machines have been flying off.

Speaker: I've been kind of lazy and I haven't listed my Shrek.

Speaker: I still need to sell my Shrek because my wife's like, why are you having a pinball machine in the garage that you're not playing?

Speaker: It's like I just haven't got around to listing it.

Speaker: And when I was listening to Bruce Nightingale, it kind of clicked in my head today because –

Speaker: Because it's really weirded me out that since March, since COVID's happened, I've seen people spending ridiculous amounts of money.

Speaker: And then when Bruce said it today, it finally clicked in my head.

Speaker: Like a lot of these bars and places that people eat out and whatnot, they're only allowed to have like 50% capacity.

Speaker: And they're usually not even hitting, they hit nowhere near the 50% capacity.

Speaker: And so they're like, you know, trying to encourage everyone, you know, buy and get takeout and stuff like that.

Speaker: It just dawned on me, if we've all been stuck at home, a lot of people that haven't been doing trips, a lot of people that haven't been eating out, you know, you get groceries delivered, you're saving a ton of money and you're like, well, what should we do with this money?

Speaker: We can't leave the house.

Speaker: Boom, pinball machine.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And, and, uh, and rebuilding.

Speaker: So my neighbor is a contractor.

Speaker: And of course this started with us too.

Speaker: My wife decided to start looking at our, well, first she decided to pick out paint colors and then we ended up, uh, wanting to reconfigure half our house.

Speaker: Uh, but that's a topic of a different discussion, but, uh, our neighbor, who's the general contractor who we'd like to use, he said, I, I'm

Speaker: too busy.

Speaker: I'm, I'm turning away two jobs a week, a day because I just, uh, and basically the money people were spending on going out for entertainment, they're putting into their house and their home entertainment.

Speaker: Well, even like the industry I'm in, heating and air conditioning, this is the highest demand and most profitable year that they've had in over a decade.

Speaker: I mean, it's just people are spending like crazy.

Speaker: You can't buy an above ground pool.

Speaker: And if you do, you're going to get charged buku bucks because someone's bought it up and they're reselling it.

Speaker: Like my in June, my wife's grandmother's like, we should buy one of those giant inflatable slides that you can run water down.

Speaker: Instead of renting one.

Speaker: And we got online.

Speaker: They were all sold out.

Speaker: Oh, really?

Speaker: You couldn't buy them.

Speaker: We bought one last year.

Speaker: So we actually have one that we pulled out a few times.

Speaker: I actually just barely put it away before this.

Speaker: So...

Speaker: Yeah, I was like, well, we got specs on the one that we were renting.

Speaker: And I was like, it's the 18 foot tall or whatever.

Speaker: And so I went online and they're all sold out.

Speaker: And these aren't cheap products.

Speaker: I mean, they're ranging from $3,000 to $15,000.

Speaker: Okay, the one that we bought was from Amazon.

Speaker: It was much cheaper than that.

Speaker: I think it was like a few hundred bucks.

Speaker: But my point being is there's a lot of money being spent.

Speaker: And I feel like pinball has a good opportunity to seize the moment.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Well, and I think, I think they are as long as they can manufacture.

Speaker: So.

Speaker: Correct.

Speaker: And it sounds like they're doing great on, on whatever the restrictions and whatnot they might have.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: The COVID, the manufacturing restrictions.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: All right, let's move on to, well, did you want to, I don't know if I really gave you an opportunity to talk about Deep Brew or we're just leaving it at that because there really wasn't anything.

Speaker: I'm excited.

Speaker: And this is, I was disappointed because I thought the radio silence just meant that they were another casualty.

Speaker: So I'm excited.

Speaker: I'm looking at, I'm looking forward to it and I will look at the live stream.

Speaker: Do we know when that the official day on that is?

Speaker: No, no, we haven't heard.

Speaker: So watch for it because then when it's time, check it out.

Speaker: So I'm going to move into the last thing that I really want to talk about because if you follow Dead Flip or Jack Danger on social media, it's Dead Flip Pinball Streaming.

Speaker: He posted an infogram this last couple of days, and it's really...

Speaker: made my brain click.

Speaker: You know, we talk about themes that are very profitable in the pinball industry and what would be good themes to benefit from the pinball hobby.

Speaker: And so he posted the top 25 reviews

Speaker: media franchises that sorry the top 25 highest growing grossing good crimey media franchises of all time can you guess the top three i'm gonna i'm gonna can you i want to see if you can even get one in the top three scott okay well okay i have a few questions is this adjusted for inflation

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: A lot of the ones I'm looking on this list have all been within the last, I want to say the last 20 years.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: So that's not adjusted for inflation because did you know the number one movie of all time adjusted for inflation is Gone with the Wind?

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Sorry.

Speaker: No, there's ones on this list that would be from the 50s and stuff like that.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And I don't think we're getting a sound of music pinball machine either.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: And I'm going to tell you right now, all these numbers are in the billions, not millions.

Speaker: Billions.

Speaker: OK, are you talking like single movies or a collection of movies?

Speaker: Because if you say a collection of movies, I would say the Marvel Cinematic Universe is the king with 23 films.

Speaker: Marvel Cinematic Universe is on the list, but it doesn't even break the top.

Speaker: It might be the top 10.

Speaker: It might be the very last of the top 10.

Speaker: Wow.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Of the last 10 years, I guarantee that of the... Okay.

Speaker: And the challenge is you're looking at relevant ones.

Speaker: Star Wars has to be in there.

Speaker: So it's not movies.

Speaker: It's media franchises.

Speaker: Oh, okay.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: So... Let me put it this way too.

Speaker: Disney isn't a media franchise.

Speaker: They're saying Mickey Mouse and Disney princesses.

Speaker: Because Star Wars and all that would also fall under Disney, but they've kind of separated them out.

Speaker: Essentially, if you were to go to Walmart to buy a backpack for your child...

Speaker: you would be buying Star Wars.

Speaker: You wouldn't be buying Disney.

Speaker: You're buying Star Wars.

Speaker: Does that make sense?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: So let me guess a little bit on this.

Speaker: Top three.

Speaker: Top three.

Speaker: Minecraft?

Speaker: No.

Speaker: Minecraft's not in the top 25.

Speaker: Wow.

Speaker: Fortnite?

Speaker: Nope.

Speaker: Not even in the top 25.

Speaker: And the other interesting part too is...

Speaker: I'd say about five of these titles on this list aren't even American titles.

Speaker: Oh, okay.

Speaker: That was what I was, I was also questioning.

Speaker: Is this us centered or is this global?

Speaker: Um, this is global.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Cause pinball is very much a European, uh, North America and Australian sport.

Speaker: So the top three, I guarantee you've heard each one of these franchises.

Speaker: Hello Kitty?

Speaker: Yes, number two.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Yeah, and these are all going to be like Asian-centric stuff.

Speaker: Well... Hello Kitty?

Speaker: Well, Hello Kitty is Asian-centric, but... Yeah.

Speaker: Okay, give me a hint.

Speaker: Okay, the number one franchise is a video game-based franchise.

Speaker: okay is it okay and this is where i need dennis creasel i don't know much about video games um there's like don't overthink it don't overthink it mario no but mario is in the top 25 okay a video-based franchise well i asked fortnite um

Speaker: world of warcraft is that still a thing no but that let's see i think that is actually lizard list yeah uh no actually sorry that's on a different list i was looking at okay so number one number one highest grossing media franchise of all time at 92 billion dollars is pokemon okay

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: I could see that.

Speaker: That makes sense, right?

Speaker: I mean, it's very popular in the U.S. But that's also still very Asian.

Speaker: It still is.

Speaker: It's centered in Asia culture.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: okay okay number three this one actually kind of shocks me it's it's bigger so so one was pokemon two is hello kitty okay but i think the thing is is hello kitty and pokemon yes they are based in the eastern culture but they do have a big they have a crossover yeah they have yes in the western yeah okay um number three winnie the pooh

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Bigger than number four, which is Mickey Mouse.

Speaker: That blows my mind that Winnie the Pooh is higher than Mickey the Mouse.

Speaker: I wonder how they... Mickey the Mouse.

Speaker: Is it like for lunchboxes sold or children's books or...

Speaker: so there's multiple categories it covers.

Speaker: So that's like video games, merchandise, trading cards, comics.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: So, uh, movies, the box office.

Speaker: So it covers a lot of things, even like plates, you know?

Speaker: Sure.

Speaker: Um,

Speaker: I think the challenge, though, is that to be a successful marketing company, you need to take that and tease out whatever demographic you're looking for, which is why in shows or at least in television –

Speaker: They always try to tease out the 18 to 30 year olds because they tend to be the most the most influenced by advertising.

Speaker: And so it doesn't really matter.

Speaker: Like you can have 2020 or the CBS Evening News or something like that.

Speaker: And that's great if you're trying to cater to the AARP crowd.

Speaker: And I'm rapidly approaching that, by the way.

Speaker: But it's more of a that's not going to command the same sort of marketing capital that, you know, friends in its heyday or whatever the kids are watching nowadays.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: That's the reason why it teases it out.

Speaker: And so just because you get viewers doesn't necessarily mean there's an overlap.

Speaker: The Venn diagram of the demographic who plays pinball who also is part of that franchise, that's where the licensing magic happens.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So do you, okay, my question is, do you think the top four has any chance in the pinball industry?

Speaker: Okay, so list off the top four again.

Speaker: Pokemon, Hello Kitty, Winnie the Pooh, and Mickey Mouse.

Speaker: I would say Pokemon, yes.

Speaker: Because there is still there's still that crossover with video games and you're going to see a lot more of that video game crossover.

Speaker: Yes, I actually think Mickey Mouse would.

Speaker: However, what's ironic is Mickey Mouse is more of a mascot.

Speaker: Name any major movie that Mickey is a part of.

Speaker: None really.

Speaker: And I feel like Mickey's Mickey's focus has been more towards playhouse or toddler right now.

Speaker: Well, but it's just, it's usually a method to sell something like the, the sell the Disney experience.

Speaker: And by the way, I, I am all for having that magical escape.

Speaker: There are people who are pro-Disney, anti-Disney, and pretty indifferent to Disney.

Speaker: I'm actually pro it.

Speaker: I think what they do is amazing.

Speaker: I think being able to license that experience is great.

Speaker: But yeah, it's... I don't know.

Speaker: So I would say that...

Speaker: Mickey, maybe.

Speaker: Pokemon, I would say yes.

Speaker: You could possibly do a Mickey Mouse one, but this is kind of that challenge of like Hot Wheels.

Speaker: I'm actually, I think the theme caters to a younger crowd, like a, and people remember this.

Speaker: I mean, it's selling because it's a good game and people have historical connection to this franchise, but it's not like,

Speaker: like Teletubbies.

Speaker: That's huge.

Speaker: At least it was.

Speaker: Yo Gamma Gamma or Gabba Gamma or whatever it was.

Speaker: That was huge for the toddler crowd, but eventually when you get to the pinball crowd, there has to be some sort of relevancy.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Yeah, I agree.

Speaker: So I would say Pokemon, yes.

Speaker: I'm sure Disney would, though.

Speaker: You would sell a lot of those to basements.

Speaker: The Mickey Mouse?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: So I'm going to go down this list.

Speaker: It's a long, long list.

Speaker: I just want to click.

Speaker: Yes or no.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I'll say yes or no.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Um, and there's going to be some of the on this list have already been made into pinball machines.

Speaker: So, okay.

Speaker: I don't know if you want to say yes or no, or if you're just going to say already made.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Next after Mickey mouse, star Wars.

Speaker: Done.

Speaker: Done.

Speaker: Uh,

Speaker: What the crap is this?

Speaker: And Pan Man.

Speaker: It's Japanese.

Speaker: Yeah, not relevant to the pinball market.

Speaker: Disney princesses.

Speaker: Ironically, yes.

Speaker: If they made a Disney princess game, I guarantee that would be an on-site game.

Speaker: uh, moneymaker.

Speaker: It would be, do you think it would attract, you know, we're always talking about diversity and drawing more diversity in.

Speaker: Do you think a frozen pinball machine, a Moana pinball machine, do you think that helps diversify?

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: I, I think it brings, it brings more chairs to the table.

Speaker: It's not like seventies and eighties rock bands.

Speaker: Um, but, uh,

Speaker: Yes, I think it would.

Speaker: However, if you want to, if you want something that would, would have a little more overlap.

Speaker: I I've said it before.

Speaker: I think a pink, you know, the pink, the singer, I think she would actually be a great pin if you could integrate that.

Speaker: But yes, I actually think that you would sell a Disney princess pin.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Okay, so this next one already has been made, but nowhere near recent.

Speaker: Mario.

Speaker: Yes, 100%.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Shojin Jump?

Speaker: No, no, no.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Harry Potter.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: This one's already being made.

Speaker: Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Which I find this next one interesting.

Speaker: Spider-Man, which has already been done.

Speaker: Well, okay, but Spider-Man is...

Speaker: That's technically a competing, it's a weird historical licensing thing, but yeah.

Speaker: So, yeah, any superhero is pretty relevant right now.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Gundam.

Speaker: Do you remember Gundam?

Speaker: Nope.

Speaker: It's essentially the it's Japanese, but they bled over into the American culture, especially in the late 90s, because Linkin Park was heavily into it.

Speaker: It's flying.

Speaker: Imagine Transformers.

Speaker: But if they fought with swords and it looks like, OK, it looks like Robotech.

Speaker: Combine together to make one giant.

Speaker: It's too niche.

Speaker: Too niche.

Speaker: What is this on the list?

Speaker: 15th?

Speaker: Something like that?

Speaker: Batman.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Obviously.

Speaker: Dragon Ball Z. No.

Speaker: I think it's too niche.

Speaker: The Venn diagram does not include pinball.

Speaker: I think there is some room for it, but it's, it's a very weird spot.

Speaker: That's not low lying fruit.

Speaker: Maybe, maybe back in the days when you were making eight games a year or eight to 12 games a year, like once a month, you can take a risk on that.

Speaker: Not right now.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Barbie.

Speaker: Yeah, I think you could.

Speaker: It, you would have to walk a fine line with Barbie.

Speaker: Because you would have to integrate the theme correctly.

Speaker: And so it because I mean, Barbie, there's a difference between Barbie in the 60s, 70s and 80s versus what image you would want to portray today.

Speaker: So but yeah, you can sell Barbie.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: A fist of the North star.

Speaker: Zero chance.

Speaker: And that's right.

Speaker: That's right up there with what's that, that horrible band that you were talking about the alpha bots or something like that.

Speaker: Oh my goodness.

Speaker: The aquabats.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: That was close.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Cars.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Like, like, like Mustang or, or sorry, Disney's cars or Pixar's cars.

Speaker: Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker: You could do that one.

Speaker: Toy Story.

Speaker: I think that should be coming out.

Speaker: One Piece.

Speaker: It's a Japanese anime manga.

Speaker: Manga is really difficult to integrate into the US market just because the art style is suggestive of very young people in scantily clad things.

Speaker: And so manga would be a tough sell for the U S market, especially in today's society.

Speaker: Well, what I've learned too, along with the Japanese culture is a lot of it starts out in manga.

Speaker: If it does really good as manga, it moves on to anime.

Speaker: And if it does good as anime, they, they will make a movie or they will promote it further from there.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: And, and that's fine.

Speaker: I think that's for the Japanese market.

Speaker: It doesn't have enough crossover.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: This one's already been done.

Speaker: Lord of the Rings.

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: James Bond.

Speaker: I mean, we haven't had one since the 90s.

Speaker: Yu-Gi-Oh.

Speaker: Again, it's Asian.

Speaker: I don't think it has enough.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: To put it bluntly, pinball is a Western hobby.

Speaker: I think that's too Eastern.

Speaker: You're telling me that home pin that's making the Chinese zombies is going to the wrong market?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Well, it's an untapped market, so they don't really have much to compare it to.

Speaker: All righty.

Speaker: Number 24.

Speaker: I would actually like to see this one.

Speaker: Peanuts.

Speaker: Yeah, I can see it.

Speaker: That could be to the... They just had a Peanuts movie recently.

Speaker: Yeah, sure.

Speaker: And then last but not least, Transformers.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: They, they shouldn't have done that one, but they did.

Speaker: So my question is, let's take transformers for a second.

Speaker: Cause I mean, obviously it scored higher than teenage mutant turtles.

Speaker: Um, if you did the, the Ninja turtles treatment to transformers where you did maybe the cartoon from the eighties, you get some zombie Yeti artwork, uh, and you, you go that route instead of the movies.

Speaker: Do you think it would make a better pinball machine than what the movie one produced?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I think the challenge with the game is that it's the layout has not been able to be redeemed with code or anything else.

Speaker: And so it's just not a good, it's not a good pin.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I, I, is the theme, is it something you could sell?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Is that one something that you could sell?

Speaker: I think players have moved on.

Speaker: But you can always resurrect a missed theme opportunity, which I think is what's going to happen with an external release.

Speaker: So here's the question, too.

Speaker: Someone pointed this out, and it's been weighing on my mind now that they've pointed it out.

Speaker: If you include the Data East era, the last five out of six Stern titles have been pretty much remakes of older titles.

Speaker: Well, nostalgia sells.

Speaker: And this has been a longstanding item where they talk about, has Hollywood run out of ideas?

Speaker: Has everything just been recycled?

Speaker: Well, I think everybody...

Speaker: when you were 14 or 12 or 10, there's stuff that you thought that is really cool, but my dad is not going to buy that for me.

Speaker: Well, now you're in your forties and you think, wow, that's really cool.

Speaker: I can buy it.

Speaker: Guess what?

Speaker: Subtract 30 years or so.

Speaker: And that's the, that's your wheelhouse.

Speaker: So we're, we're,

Speaker: going out of the 80s and maybe into the 90s.

Speaker: However, the 90s is when things started becoming diverse.

Speaker: And in the 80s, we had more of a concentration of mega franchise type things.

Speaker: And I don't know if you have that same type of thing in the 90s, but right now you can sell them.

Speaker: I mean, I would buy, well, for example, He-Man.

Speaker: That's something that's relevant to my demographic.

Speaker: And I think you would sell He-Man.

Speaker: So do you think Stern benefits from these older titles that are not regarded as great pinball machines?

Speaker: So an example, I mean, the bar wasn't really set super high for Keith Elwin to make Jurassic Park a better game.

Speaker: T.H.

Speaker: Minoturtles' John Borg did not have a super hard challenge having to outdo the Data East version.

Speaker: I'm trying to think what else has come out in the last... I mean...

Speaker: Well, they've remade the Batman and they remade Batman the Dark Knight into Batman 66, which has been better.

Speaker: They remade The Simpsons, which was better than the Data East.

Speaker: They've had like three versions of the Playboy game.

Speaker: They've had James Bond.

Speaker: And so, yeah, you can always.

Speaker: But my point being is, is, is the newer Stearns.

Speaker: Do you think they benefit because the older games aren't as fantastic?

Speaker: Well, I don't think you're going to remake Lord of the Rings.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Because the previous version is so good if you have a low bar to clear.

Speaker: But if it's still not a good game, people are going to move on.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: The bar wasn't set super high.

Speaker: My very first, well, it wasn't technically my first game.

Speaker: My parents bought it.

Speaker: But Teenage Mutant Turtles...

Speaker: the Data East version, it was just all right.

Speaker: Like, it's all right for a beginner game, but there's not enough to put your teeth into.

Speaker: Oh, for a second, I thought you said Transformers, and I'm thinking, wow, Data East did a Transformers?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah, the old one's garbage.

Speaker: Yeah, it's good.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And so I don't think that really weighed into a factor in my mind when I was buying the new Ninja Turtles.

Speaker: Yeah, I don't think so.

Speaker: But you don't want it to be worse.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So I pulled up a different list.

Speaker: I just pulled up the movie list, by the way.

Speaker: And from 2001...

Speaker: the number one movie.

Speaker: And, you know, I'll just say include 2000.

Speaker: So most of these have been remade somehow or made into pinball.

Speaker: Mission Impossible, not.

Speaker: Harry Potter, no.

Speaker: Lord of the Rings, Lord of the Rings, Shrek.

Speaker: Harry Potter, no.

Speaker: Pirates of the Caribbean, Pirates of the Caribbean, Dark Knight, Avatar, Toy Story, Harry Potter, Avengers, Frozen, Transformers, Star Wars, Captain America, Star Wars, Avengers, Avengers, Bad Boys for Life.

Speaker: Um, why don't we have a bad boys game?

Speaker: That might be cool.

Speaker: That was this year.

Speaker: So, but you know, it's, uh, if you look at that, I would say the vast majority of those have been made and the ones that haven't been made, there's probably reasons or, you know, obviously in the Harry Potter thing, there's something that's holding that license back.

Speaker: Um, but, um,

Speaker: Yeah, it's movies and music.

Speaker: It's it's the thing that people consume in mass quantities.

Speaker: And so I think they should.

Speaker: I also think they should start looking into other things, maybe culturally relevant things.

Speaker: Well, and I think I think there should be.

Speaker: Yeah, there should be some crossover, but they've had a hard time in capturing that lightning.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Well, and I think a video game title will be more accepted now than it was then.

Speaker: I think the problem with Mario is it was first done by Gottlieb.

Speaker: And second, they dumbed down Pinball so badly that

Speaker: with the second version of the Mario game that they came out with, it just wasn't fun.

Speaker: It was like they were trying to get kids involved, but when you've only got a couple things to hit for, there's not even outlanes.

Speaker: I feel like Mario would really, really benefit from a new pinball machine.

Speaker: I mean, even looking at the top grossing...

Speaker: video game franchises.

Speaker: I mean, obviously Pokemon's at the top if it's the top media franchise of all time.

Speaker: You know, Mario, Call of Duty.

Speaker: I wouldn't mind seeing maybe something like Call of Duty.

Speaker: Pac-Man's number five.

Speaker: space invaders street fighter i mean street fire would definitely benefit from a new yeah new game yeah yeah i don't know it's it's it's hard they actually did a really good job with deadpool in incorporating that fight into it yes um i guess we'll see i i think there are some themes that just don't translate very well

Speaker: Sonic the Hedgehog, I think that theme would translate amazing.

Speaker: It would.

Speaker: Sonic would be great.

Speaker: And they should do that for the next Sonic movie that's coming out.

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: Halo.

Speaker: You think a Halo one would do good?

Speaker: A shooting game seems a little less.

Speaker: I think a Sonic one really would be a no-brainer.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: What's I still think Legend of Zelda.

Speaker: I mean, every time.

Speaker: And Zelda would be good too.

Speaker: But I didn't think of Sonic though.

Speaker: You have this, the, the spin thing and that's, yeah, I, I didn't think about Sonic until you brought it up, but absolutely.

Speaker: And I think Sonic, well, and you've got mechs you can reuse.

Speaker: I mean, look at Stern.

Speaker: You could reuse the NASCAR mech.

Speaker: I mean, where it just gets the ball going really, really fast or,

Speaker: Or another version.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Supercharger from getaway.

Speaker: I mean, Mike, I didn't really think Sonic was a good idea for a pinball machine until.

Speaker: I didn't think it was going to be a good movie.

Speaker: And it turned out to be a fantastic movie.

Speaker: Like for the, for the, for the theme, obviously.

Speaker: So, yeah.

Speaker: um so my brother-in-law is really really into sonic and he started talking you know pinball's kind of about numbers right like it's always like complete x amount of modes and you collect x amount of things so you can get to x amount of whatever achievements you need to do to get to the final wizard mode and he started talking about like chaos emeralds there's seven chaos emeralds and

Speaker: There's eight different areas.

Speaker: And we've seen, I don't know if you've checked out the Sonic the Hedgehog home brew, but it's fantastic.

Speaker: Go check it out.

Speaker: The gentleman's making it.

Speaker: It's way cool.

Speaker: And so I feel like there's a lot of room.

Speaker: There's a lot of creativity that could go into a Sonic the Hedgehog pinball machine.

Speaker: And I think that might even do better than a Mario right now, but I could be wrong.

Speaker: Well, I think it would be easy, easy to do a Sonic one.

Speaker: So, um, but other than that, yeah, you know, we keep bringing up Deadpool.

Speaker: I finally actually got to get my hands on a Deadpool and just play the crap out of it.

Speaker: Um, the thing that I've walked away from it is it's in my opinion, this is me.

Speaker: It's too easy.

Speaker: Uh,

Speaker: second time I, my second game I put onto it, I got to the very end.

Speaker: Uh, I just, I love the artwork.

Speaker: I love the concept.

Speaker: I don't feel like there's enough to the code.

Speaker: So it could be, I mean, it's still, it's challenging though.

Speaker: You have a couple of ricochet shots and that Katana ramp is fun.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So, um,

Speaker: Fantastic game.

Speaker: I really, if you're looking for a beginner game, I don't know.

Speaker: We had one of our, we had one of the listeners message in that he didn't feel like it was a great home game just because it talks about the hell house and, and some of that stuff.

Speaker: Um, so he ended up getting arena because he didn't want around his family, but I, I still feel like it's a good starter game.

Speaker: If you're looking for a modern stern, uh, I think Deadpool's a good one to cut your teeth on.

Speaker: That's my opinion.

Speaker: That's fair.

Speaker: So, uh, it's just not for me.

Speaker: I don't think I'll get a Deadpool in the collection.

Speaker: It's one of those games.

Speaker: Maybe if I, if I found for a really, really good price, like really good.

Speaker: I think, I think it's, it's more fun than that, but you know, it's fine.

Speaker: I get it.

Speaker: It's a fun game.

Speaker: Don't get me wrong.

Speaker: I'll, I'll pump some quarters onto it and on location and stuff, but, uh, I just don't see it coming into the collection.

Speaker: So, yeah.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: I don't think Ryan Reynolds could fix that.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: No, but I, I, I still think it's a fun game.

Speaker: So it's, uh,

Speaker: Hey, you had Monster Bash for a while, so that's a pretty easy game.

Speaker: I felt like Monster Bash is harder than Deadpool.

Speaker: Yeah, well, you must be a better player than me then.

Speaker: I don't know about that.

Speaker: Probably true, yeah.

Speaker: We'll get to final battle and then tell me how it is.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: I'm getting consistently to the point where I can get to team up either on first or second ball in co-op.

Speaker: And then if I'm playing, I can get to team up usually on single player.

Speaker: So I feel like I'm progressively getting better on Ninja Turtles.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: Other than that, I think that pretty much does it for us.

Speaker: I think it does too.

Speaker: We've rambled on a lot about just catching up on stuff, but we're going to start lining up a few more interviews coming up as soon as things start opening up.

Speaker: By the way, if you have ideas and people you want us to reach out to, go ahead and shoot us a message and we'll see what we can do.

Speaker: I agree.

Speaker: Like I teased on the last episode, we do have someone coming on.

Speaker: They've been on our show before.

Speaker: We're excited to have them back.

Speaker: So we're trying to time stuff out right now.

Speaker: So there's a couple people we've got lined up.

Speaker: So we enjoy doing... I really enjoy doing the interviews.

Speaker: It's cool to talk to these people.

Speaker: And who was I listening to?

Speaker: I think it was Poor Man's Pinball Podcast.

Speaker: And they were talking about our episode with Dwight Sullivan and Talking Turtles and just how that was one of the better episodes out of all the Ninja Turtles interviews.

Speaker: And I thought that was very humbling because I didn't think... I just...

Speaker: I don't know what it is.

Speaker: I just, I think we, we just talk, you know what I'm saying, Scott, we just talk back and forth.

Speaker: We have someone on, I asked really dumb questions, but I guess a lot of people will appreciate it.

Speaker: So I'm glad that you guys appreciate it.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And we still have that, that promotion going, Josh, go ahead and talk about it.

Speaker: We have a few swag bags we want to give out, but we want to give a, another week or two opportunity to get more entries in and to let people have the chance if they missed our last episode.

Speaker: So,

Speaker: Correct.

Speaker: So what we're doing right now, we've had a handful of entries come in.

Speaker: We are giving away some Loser Kids swag bags for, we want you to go out to your favorite pinball location if you feel safe, mask up, glove up, take your alcohol sanitizer with you.

Speaker: And go take a picture with you playing at your favorite location.

Speaker: We don't want any more Bruce Nightingales.

Speaker: I know there's going to be casualties, but we want you to go out and support the community as much as you can.

Speaker: And even if you can't, I don't know if you can, some of these places provide food.

Speaker: You can get to go.

Speaker: If you drink alcohol or whatnot, drink.

Speaker: you can get that to go whatever you can do to please please support these wonderful barcades arcades and places that are trying to keep the spirit of pinball alive uh it's it's become pretty much a home market right now so if you're feeling safe and your favorite place can be your home so yeah if you don't want to go out if you if you you know some places have been hit a lot harder than others

Speaker: If you're under curfew or whatnot, then just take some pictures at home with you and your favorite pinball machine or whatnot.

Speaker: Post it either to Facebook, Instagram, Twitter.

Speaker: Tag us in it.

Speaker: You can send it to our email.

Speaker: We had a gentleman send one to our email.

Speaker: Wherever it may be, send it to us.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: And yeah, we'll wrap that up.

Speaker: Go ahead.

Speaker: And if you're listening to us, please give us a review on your favorite podcatcher.

Speaker: A lot of times iTunes, it certainly helps us be able to get increased in our search ability.

Speaker: And if you have any suggestions for the show, please send them to us.

Speaker: What else do you want to say, Josh?

Speaker: If you want to contact us, please get a hold of us via Facebook.

Speaker: That's probably the best place to get a hold of us.

Speaker: It's like facebook.com slash loser kid pinball.

Speaker: Or you can get a hold of Scott or I individually on there or me.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: Anyhow.

Speaker: It's me.

Speaker: You're a direct object.

Speaker: I'm like, it's late.

Speaker: Anyhow.

Speaker: We're also on Twitter, on Instagram.

Speaker: Message us at Loserkidpinballpodcast at gmail.com.

Speaker: We do have people emailing us there now.

Speaker: If you want to check out our direct link to the podcast at soundcloud.com slash loser kid pinball podcast.

Speaker: And yeah, just hit us up.

Speaker: We definitely want you to do that poll from Brad with lit frames.

Speaker: We'll be posting that shortly after we post this episode.

Speaker: And we can't wait to hear from you guys again.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: And as Bill and Ted say, be excellent to each other and pinball on.

Speaker: But I'm Ching.

Speaker: Wow.

Speaker: That was finishing with a thud.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: What do they say?

Speaker: Sorry.

Speaker: Dude, I haven't seen the new Bill and Ted.

Speaker: The last time I saw Bill and Ted was... It's the old one.

Speaker: It's the party on dudes.

Speaker: A decade ago.

Speaker: That's the first one from like 87.

Speaker: Are you sure that sounds Wayne's World-ish to me?

Speaker: It'd be excellent to each other and party on dudes.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Wow.

Speaker: That's, that's hurtful.

Speaker: So I hear that.

Speaker: I hear the new movie is hot garbage.

Speaker: So don't worry about that, but go watch the other one.

Speaker: The original one's really fun.

Speaker: So I've heard, I've heard mixed reviews.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: So do you want to say it again one more time?

Speaker: No, it's fine.

Speaker: That's perfect.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: Check out guys.

Speaker: We'll see you in two weeks or so.