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My Hero Academia S6 E17: The Wrong Way To Put Out A Fire
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Zuhair, Andrew and J Scotty face the flames and tackle the emotionally heavy latest installment of My Hero Academia Season 6!
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Introduction and Teaser
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Meet the Hosts
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Sing along if you know the words. One, two, three, it's time for animation deliberation. A conversation and a celebration of our favorite action animated series. Yeah. Yeah. Welcome back to another episode of Animation Deliberation, the podcast where we take action animation and cartoon seriously, but not too seriously. We are your hosts, I am Zuhar Ali. I'm Jay Scottie St. Clair. And I am Andrew Rogers.
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And as much as I love the Star Wars rendition on our Bad Batch coverage, man, you just got to come back to the classics. Is that the best anime opener ever? That's the question right there. Is it our theme song? Do we need to have a Mount Rushmore of anime theme songs? Or just theme songs? Coming back on our door.
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We actually did that on an episode of three, two, three, three Murphy. It was a top five theme songs. But because I was representing animation deliberation, like I kept mine to anime only. Mm hmm. And it was it was so diverse. Like none of there was four people on the show that day and none of ours like hit like there was there was no repeats. Oh, it was pretty cool.
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This sounds like a bonus episode at some point when we actually get free time that we just have to like go in on that. Spoilers. Are you ready kids?
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I can't hear you. Aye, aye, Captain. You have that, Scooby-Doo, and Pokemon all showed up. Okay, I figured SpongeBob. Not for me. Just complete while we're on this tangent, I will say SpongeBob had some of the best and most memorable songs of any TV show ever. So good. I just have to ask, was it- Do whatever you can, fire songs.
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Was it Scooby-Doo? Or was it What's New Scooby-Doo? Which one made the list? Both? Yes. Even for Pokémon, it was like the first three songs were all such bangers. So you can be a master of Pokémon. Do you have the skills to be number one? I think I could only be the original. Those original three were phenomenal.
Diving into My Hero Academia
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Ah, well, tangent aside, we are here to talk about My Hero Academia. Season 6 is going on. It is a gut wrencher as Fabian and Chrissy have warned us. We had a lot of feedback from them. We covered it in the Bad Batch episode, Season 2, Episode 6. So if you want to hear their thoughts on Marvel, DC, Star Wars, and anime, check that episode out.
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We love the numbers, so if you guys could give us a hand and show all the episodes some love, even if you're here just for the anime, that'd be greatly appreciated. Anything that we need to talk about before we get to the synopsis, or do we want to just dive right in?
Todoroki Family Backstory
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Yeah, we covered a lot of news in the aforementioned Bad Batch episode, so I say we just dive right in, the water's warm.
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It is warm, very warm. It is boiling, boiling warm from the Todoroki flames. Season six, episode 17, the wrong way to put out a fire. Take it away, scoots. All right.
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The Todoroki's reminisce on their past history that led them to this moment. Inji and Rei discovered that while Toya possessed a fire quirk greater than his father's, he had his mother's constitution, making him resistant to ice, but weak to his own fire. In an attempt to protect him, Inji ceased all training with Toya, but when that refused to deter him, he decided to have more kids to make him lose his resolve.
Dobby's Downfall and Team-Up Request
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After Natsu's birth, Shoto was born with the quirk combination Inji desired, to his joy and Toya's devastation. After an incident where Toya had to break down and nearly attack Shoto, Inji banned all interaction between Shoto and the other siblings. By the time he was 13, Toya continued to grow more emotionally distraught with the siblings and mother, while also training his quirk to the point his fire grew from red to blue. He wanted to show his father his progress, but upon realization he had to continue
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But upon the realization he had continued his training, a furious Angie took anger out on Rey. This reached her breaking point, resulting in the incident of Shoto's burning and her hospitalization followed shortly after by Toya's supposed death as his crook went overload and burned the entire mountain down. In the present, Rey declares to Endeavor that he isn't the one suffering the most and they all carry a small weight in Toya's downfall, so they will help deal with him together.
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Hawks and Best Genis then arrive, telling Endeavor about the current state of the world and requesting a team-up to help solve their problems together. Hawks then asks him about One For All, as Endeavor's mention of it during the battle with Shigaraki has spread to the public, asking questions, leading him to tell them about Meteoria.
Character Development Reflections
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Meanwhile, All Might continues to watch over Meteoria alone, knowing he is currently having a conversation with the predecessors of One For All.
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I gotta say, I knew that we would be getting a little more background at some point. I didn't think we'd be having like a full fledged episode like this. I wasn't prepared for it, but I kinda love it. I loved every bit of it. I was about to say, it was deep, it was emotional, but it was such an interesting layered story to see how we had the sprinkled nuggets of like each individual event that it touched on, but getting all of the other surrounding information just put it in such a different picture.
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Yeah, this felt like a soap opera, but in the best ways. Like I really felt connected to the Todoroki family. And I just really enjoyed how emotional and resonant it was. Like it started off feeling like the family members were being very punitive towards endeavor, but as each one of them shared a little bit and like owned their own part,
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in Toya's transformation to Dobby, it became very, very uplifting and empowering.
Personal Stories: Family Dynamics
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And yeah, I just have a whole new respect for that entire family. And endeavor, it's been really interesting seeing him go from this character that I really had a strong distaste for and for good reason, but to see how nuanced he actually is. And while his motivations were not always the best and he was not always the best father, he,
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Toya's transformation was not, we were led to believe it was because he over trained him. And while he did light this fire, as Toya said, it was kind of out of his control at that point. And so on that level, I really felt for him as a father. Yeah, it's one of those things where it's like, you don't necessarily condone the behavior.
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But even though they both went into this knowing that it was a quirk marriage, like he cared for his kids. Like it wasn't that it was all about getting the right result. He did care about his kids. He did want them to succeed and be healthy and this and that. But the trauma.
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having to watch his oldest son hurt himself the way that he did is kind of what got him to focus on being the hero mm-hmm and then obviously because he was kind of running away from the problem at hand and running away from the family resulted him and actually doing stuff that physically and emotionally hurt their family it
Sibling Relationships and Expectations
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was so it's one of those things where it's like
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you understand the steps that were taken. And it is coming back to bite him. You just kind of wish it could have gone different for that family, especially watching Ray talk about how much Shoto saved them, like despite his personality and despite like how we saw him at the beginning of the show.
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you know, TJ kind of talked about like the growth of everything, like for him to grow and develop this much to like do what he can to bring this family back together and stop his older brother as a family was really, really powerful. Yeah, talk about a complicated hero, especially when you talk about us as a fan, like, how do I root for this character anymore is very, very much an up in the air question.
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And now it's just, like you said, it's being unraveled. You feel for everything this family's coming to.
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but how they ever get over this insurmountable hurdle is going to be a very interesting piece of it. And like, yeah, it makes sense, but it doesn't. Because like, yeah, he was trying to protect his kids, but he also put them in that position. So it just continues to spring back and forth. Why didn't the mother protect? Because she couldn't do anything else. That leads to endeavor.
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you know putting hands on her which is the most you know heinous action of everything that he does throughout this episode that was the moment I was like I don't know if I can root for endeavor anymore like that was the full breaking point was actually like hearing and seeing that happen so
Endeavor's Controversial Actions
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there's just so much going on at this point that
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I get it like we said we were warned it was going to be dark but I don't know if I was prepared for it to go this deep down the rabbit hole and now you have Dobby crying blood on the other side of this coin and we still have the question of how he got to be where he is and now what they actually think they're going to do to stop him as well. It's just going to keep hammering home.
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Yeah. And like mentioning the unraveling, like one thing that stuck out to me is that we get entirely new context to this whole situation with Rey and the accident she had with Shoto and like having suffered the verbal and physical abuse at Endeavor's hand where it doesn't matter who she's looking at when she sees those eyes, whether they're in anguish or anger, like they just elicit this reaction in her was like,
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really, really powerful stuff. And we talk about feeling for every single member of this family. But yeah, Toya Dobby is not excluded from this. Seeing how he
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wrestled and questioned the reason that he exists and that part where he lashed out at his mother and said you were you're complicit in my birth and my creation and the whole reason that I exist trying to create this perfect melding of quirks and now that I can't live up to that like what am I supposed to do I can't go make friends at school like everybody's talking about being a hero and just seeing the turmoil there was really really tough but
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Yeah, it's surprising to say I was endeared to Endeavor in new ways, but I was also endeared to Toya and Dobby in new ways in this episode, so just incredible character work. Yeah, because when we first saw the reveal of who he was in this and that,
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It kind of sat in my head of like, if you were alive and this was an accident, why didn't you go back to your family? Like, where was it that you were just, you know, out in the woods practicing and then like you just left and became a villain, right? So that was very powerful to see it just kind of like, it's like, oh, my dad doesn't care. He didn't show up. Like, I am this because this is what he wanted me to be. And
Cultural Expectations and Family Roles
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then just out of spite,
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Obviously he loses control of his power for a little bit, but after feeling a level of pain too, it all comes back to like, this is his fault, this is his fault, I hate him. It's still weird calling him NG instead of Endeavor. I forget he has a name. Yeah, it's really just all he wanted to do was make his dad proud. Did he take it a step too far?
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For sure, you know, putting yourself in harm's way is not going to be the answer and going, you know, that level of you could see the crazy Dobby eyes, even when he was only, you know, 12 and 13. So it was all there. And it was just really the straw that broke the camel's back in a way, especially, you know, understanding how great his power could turn out to be that he would just completely lose control of the situation. So.
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Yeah, it's a totally different perspective because I agree. You would think he would go back to his family, but seeing how broken they were was definitely a piece of that. That it's like, okay, I guess you wouldn't. And I guess you would want to, you know, plot this revenge, especially seeing essentially your father live your dream. Having him be raised to, okay, you're going to surpass All Might. You're going to become the number one hero to have Endeavor do that before he can. That only has to
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screw it pun intended add flame to the fire because it's only gonna get worse from there as that starts to you know descend into the madness further yeah there's a lot of um relatability with this as well because like you know my me and my parents are from Pakistan so it was a pretty cultural household like I was kind of like that
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that middle of the Pakistani household and understanding American culture and finding that balance between them. But my dad always had that cultural mindset of having to go to work every day. He was home after I already went to bed, and my mom was the one that was invested in everything I was doing. I didn't do great in school. Grades were not my strong suit.
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So whenever I would, you know, do bad in school or get her do something, it was always like, like, why did you let that happen? Why did you let him do this? Why did you let the kids do that as opposed to like communicating with me and understanding my hobbies and my interests and my schoolwork and my growth and this and that. And it still is that way. Like he'll try to talk and just kind of be like, dude, it's going in one ear and out the other. Like I'm explaining as a formality at this point. Like I understand that you don't get it.
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Whereas my mom is like super invested and actually like keeps track of it. So it's like, that's why when I say it's like, I understand, but I don't condone. And it's like, you see, we scoots you and I talked about last week about so many similarities with real world issues. So seeing that like really hit home of just kind of like, Oh yeah, I get it. This makes total sense.
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Yeah, and I appreciate you bringing that up. And I find it kind of similar, but not the same with the cultural difference there. But yeah, I think I found this struggle between a father and son so relatable as well, because
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little bit about me like I'm a I'm a junior I was actually born on the same day as my dad we have the same birthday so there's always been this notion of like kind of living in my dad's shadow and he's mellowed out as he's gotten older we have a good relationship and I've forged my own identity a little bit more so but growing up there was like this high expectation and this like standard to live up to to be my father's son and I I remember bringing home a report card one time and I got
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all A's except for one B in math. Math has always been my weakest subject. And I remember his response was, you couldn't have made that one B in A, huh? And how that just crushed me. And it's like, I did so good. And it's just this one area. It's a B. It's not even that bad. But yeah, yeah. So yeah, it's kind of a tale as old as time. Sons and fathers and the inherent
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Struggle that is that is there so yeah, I appreciate you bringing that up and kind of like Giving me the realization of why I maybe it tugged at my heartstrings as much as it did Yeah, and I think also at the end of the day we talk about father and son But also, you know the siblings situation the way that as soon as the other siblings were born, you know having to
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deal with suddenly not being the center of attention like I you know remember misbehaving myself when my younger sister was born like hey I'm over here why aren't you paying attention to me it's like no there are other priorities so I can only imagine how exacerbated those things must get the minute that not only is the new child you know a part of the family but the new child is the favorite the new child is what you know you wanted to be because always making sure that you know
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my grandparents didn't compare me to my sister. We were two different people was like the biggest thing that like my parents tried to do growing up. Because the minute that you put that pressure on a child to live up to some crazy expectation that another child has set, it's just only going to cause turmoil only going to cause you know, divides between the siblings between the family. So
Toya's Influence and Family Dynamics
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Yeah, I could only imagine even if Toya was, you know, didn't turn into Dobby, what would his relationship with Shoto have even been? You know, how disjointed would it have been? Would it have looked like his, you know, the way Shoto interacts with his other siblings at this point that, you know, it's not a good relationship because he was the favorite because he was put through entirely different treatment than they were. Even if Toya had stayed around, I can't imagine it would have been a good thing.
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Two other things that made me cringe was the way that Angie reacted when the doctor said that this is taboo When he was talking about like the yeah the designer baby hmm and The look that he gave Ray Oh after after the third chapter natsu was born the way that he just side-eyed her and it was like I
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You know how babies are born, so you can only imagine what she had to go through with that rage and determination. Dude, that was scary. It was. Thinking about what she had to go through right after that point. No wonder she was hospitalized. That has got to be beyond traumatizing.
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Like the herb standing in front of him after thinking about that is so much more baffling that she had the courage to do it. Holy crap. I was not feeling right when I saw that look and I was like, Oh no, I know it's about to go down. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Humor Amidst Drama
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Yeah. He looked more monstrous than villainous than some of our primary antagonists that we've had in the show so far. It was really uncomfortable. Yeah. Yeah.
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But on a bright side of things, how did you guys feel about seeing Hawks' like feathers starting to come back? Yeah. And sort of like engaging his back. Oh, yeah. The minute that his jacket just started to bulge underneath, he's like, OK, we got to get the fight going. Like that was just him flexing all the muscles. It was like, OK, let's do this. You know, having that confirmation that his wings do indeed grow back after fire was definitely
Future Storylines and Expectations
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a good note. I can't take the.
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the text to talk seriously though i don't think we're supposed to they always do the one thing that just kind of lightens the load a little bit and that was it just a quick not only that but then like
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the interactions with Bakugo again he's still kind of doing the same thing he's been doing the last couple of episodes but it's nice to get a little bit of levity there and even the exchange with like best gene is still calling him by his like his whole name explosion murder god yeah
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Did you see the way Frope looked though? She was so fed up with Bakugo. She was just like, are you serious right now that I have to be holding onto this? And they were like, thanks Frope, you did it for us. She was just like, why? They have to work in shifts and just restraining him.
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I do love the transition work that they've been doing with this because first it was like the overall picture of what's happening and then they ended the episode on Endeavor knowing that we were going to talk about that a little bit and now they like literally moved down the hall down to Midoriya all might get a little snippet of like what we should be expecting next week.
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And we're moving into that story. So instead of hopping back and forth between them so much, I like that each one is getting their own fraction of time. And it feels natural. And it's all quality. We're loving every bit of it. And then it's like, all right, we're letting you know we finished up with this one. Here's what's going on in the next bit.
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Yeah, and I also like the tease, because I was kind of concerned at the start of this back half of the season when they're like, Oh, he hasn't woken up yet, that it was going to be, you know, we've seen the story a dozen times where they're all like, Oh, no, is the hero
Heroic Expectations vs. Familial Roles
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going to come back? What's going to happen? It's like, he's the main character, of course, he's waking up from the coma, to have this confirmation of, oh, there's a reason he's talking to the previous
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you know, one for all users. So he's probably going through some big deal thing and then he's gonna wake up with some new mindset some way that he has to you know, figure this out. It's gonna be a big avatar state thing. You know, presumably, I'm assuming zoo hair has like watch the preview for the next episode the way that he's looking at me. Oh, it's no it's knowing the name of the arc.
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Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I know a little bit of what's to come. I don't know if you listened to last week's episode because I gave a warning. It's like, hey, if you don't want to know, like, hit that skip button now. But knowing that name of the arc and stuff that Fabian said in his feedback email, which we covered on Bad Batch Season 2 Episode 6. So make sure you give that a listen.
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I don't feel like Midoriya is going to come out of this with an optimistic mindset. I feel like this is going to be very difficult conversations that is going to be going on with the Vestiges.
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I'm curious who is going to be on what side of those conversations because we haven't gotten to know really any of the characters besides nanoshimura and even that like she might be like screw it let's go for revenge so I'm really
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hoping that we get more of these characters, that we get to dig into them, understand their motives, and understand what their path to being a hero was like, and see how that molds what's going to happen. Because I also wish, I love that All Might's alive, but I wish All Might could be a part of that conversation. Well, I thought it was interesting that he was saying he could feel himself as a previous unizer within Midoriya. That's really interesting to me, and I want to see how that plays out.
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Yeah, I want to see him with the rest of them. Yeah, yeah, same here. But like his buffed up version is like inside. And the only reason I don't think we're necessarily going to get that was his previous comments that he's made of like, Oh, I've never talked to the other users. That's that's new. So
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I'm not necessarily confident that this is going to be his moment that he becomes a part of the conversation. I don't expect him to be, but I would love it if he is. Oh, yes, agreed. There's just that monument with the sign that says I'm not here. Just off in the desk. Sorry, it was there. I had to. It was in poor taste. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah.
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What scene hurt me? I'm sorry. Gallus humor. It's how I cope. It hurt me right here. Right so far. Where did he hurt you? Where did he hurt you? Right there. Show us on this doll. Where? Right on the Nightwing logo. Oh, that hurt my shoulder a little bit. Careful. Careful.
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Okay, any other thoughts, expectations, predictions we need
Speculations on Upcoming Episodes
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to get out there? I think I've said my piece on this episode. It can't be understated the emotional toll of this one. It was really a standout episode in terms of just really delivering that drama. And it's not to spoil the Bad Batch episode too much, but this has kind of like filled in what I was looking for in terms of like a really rich character story.
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Mm hmm. Oh, yeah. My only last thoughts are, I, I'm excited for this character story. I want to see how this action unfolds, though. And I'm very, very anxious to now that we've had this tease of, okay, well, civilians are taking up arms and heroes are quitting left and right. Like, the fact that we only have the top three saying, hey, we're gonna band together and do this, like,
00:26:56
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We don't need more. Shouldn't there be more manpower involved and like how many of these villains are going to be able to take down like that kind of nonsense? I am dropping things. I'm so anxious about what's going to happen here. I'm bad to go. Yeah, it's I want to go. Yeah, it's it's all that and more. And yeah, just
00:27:23
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it's what these heroes have to do. And my one thing, since I wasn't on last week to talk about
00:27:30
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I want more of the Washing Machine hero. That's my one wish. We got to see them do things. And me and my friend Jillian have just been like, what is the Washing Machine hero? What is their power? And the fact that we haven't seen their power, give us more of that. Give us more of the quirks and all these other things. On that light note of like. Use bubble beam. Use bubble beam is our. Staying. Staying removing powers.
00:27:59
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That's it. Oh, perfect. We've peaked. The show can end here after 150 some odd episodes. We're done. We're never gonna say anything funnier than that right there. That's funny. Oh my God. Yeah.
00:28:14
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But they've been good about the comedic relief and some great lines out of it, Endeavor and everyone. I really want to see an ad for that now. There's got to be some Japanese detergent company that's got to be using that. Have you guys seen the plane that has the Demon Slayer art on the side? And when they're landing, it's the voice actors like, Nezuko, get ready for landing. And Inosuke's flipping out in the plane and all that stuff.
00:28:38
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Yeah, next time I see it on reels. I'll send it to you. It was awesome But my quick final thoughts is my prediction is that we're gonna have two maybe three more episodes of character development before we get back into Dealing with the villains and action related stuff because it's like
00:28:55
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We still haven't talked about the fact that these are students in a school. Is school still commencing? Is the sidekick and business side of things still going? Are they missing classes right now? How do you go back into the day-to-day life of being a student after dealing with all this?
Conclusion and Listener Appreciation
00:29:14
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I don't think this was a summer break adventure. Well, at this point, one of their teachers is dead. One of their teachers has no leg and no eye.
00:29:23
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The rest of the teachers are all huddled around them making sure they're okay We don't even know who some of the other teachers are so I'm gonna guess that there's no school going on right now. That's just That's a hunch, but I don't I agree. I don't know how you get back here of courses So that could still be like yeah, the business school is just still sitting there like man We had to go to class today. Well, everybody else is out doing things Snow day
00:29:51
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The snow of your comrades' blood. Jeez them, dude. All righty. Well, glad that we could have some laughs in this pretty emotionally heavy episode once again.
00:30:12
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Yeah. Anything we need to let the listeners know about before we get out of here? If we don't take action too seriously. Nah, I'm good. All right. Well, thanks as always for tuning in. That's T-double-O-N-I-N. B plus ultra. And as always, stay well. And muscle, muscle.
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