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Lindsey Chapman 'Love Over Gold' by Dire Straits
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Those songs that remind us who we are a bit, soundtrack us through doorways and towards more loving places - Know what we mean? Yeah. Here’s one of those.
Meet the fantastic Lindsey Chapman and her chosen Survival Song, Love Over Gold by Dire Straits.
Lindsey Chapman is a TV and Radio presenter fronting shows for the BBC, Channel 4 and Channel 5. Lindsey works across climate, culture and sport also writes and present programmes for BBC Radio 5 live and BBC Radio 4. She likes to tackle the big issues – climate change, people, progress – with a fresh approach. She's a self confessed Netball fanatic and is the International Netball Commentator for Sky Sports and the BBC. Head and heart, her passion is connecting people with the changing world around them.
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Introduction and Concept
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I'm Lydia. I'm Ed. We're friends with a playlist for everything. And it turns out, we both have one called survival songs. And he got us thinking, what are other people's survival songs? So we thought we'd find out. Welcome to Survival Songs. A podcast where each episode our guest tells us about a song that gets them through the best and worst of times. Sensitive topics might be discussed. So look after yourself. The show contains portions of copyrighted material. We'd love for you to support and celebrate the artists by streaming, downloading and buying their brilliant music. And go give our guests a follow on social media.
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Help us grow the community of Survival Song listeners by joining us over on Substack and add to our public playlist on Spotify. Links are in the show notes. We hope you enjoy the show.
Meet Lindsay Chapman
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Hello, I'm Ed. Welcome to Survival Songs. This week's guest is Lindsay Chapman. Lindsay is a TV and radio presenter, fronting shows for the BBC, Channel 4 and Channel 5. Lindsay works across climate change, culture and sport, and also writes and presents programs for BBC Radio 5 Live and BBC Radio 4. She's a self-confessed netball fanatic and she is the international netball commentator for Sky Sports and the BBC. She's also the presenter of Courtside, the official England netball podcast. We'll be chatting to Lindsay in a moment, but first we're going to hear a part of her survival song. This is Love Over Gold by Dire Straits.
Why 'Love Over Gold'?
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So that was Love Over Gold by Dire Straits and that was the survival song of our guest today, Lindsay Chapman. Hi Lindsay! Hello! Hi Ed, it's lovely to see you. hear You too. Thank you so much for doing this. That's my pleasure. ah So I'm going to ask the question that I always ask at the beginning, which is, when did you when did this song first arrive in your life and what was your your reaction to it? So this song first arrived in my life when I was about... 20 and I trained as an actor originally and I was in, and we put on a production of Anne Frank and I played Anne in Anne Frank and one of the ways of getting into character that we'd been i told to think about was having a song and and I became very attached to Anne Frank during that time. She is the most amazing
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girl and her writing was way beyond its years and the way that she wrote about the human existence and her humility and her love despite everything that she was going through was something else. And I got really attached, I read the diary many times, I did loads of research and I needed a song and I just couldn't find the right song to listen to before the production to get into it. And then my dad said, have you listened to Love Over Gold by Dire Straits? and as a no and but I'll give it a go and I played it and immediately just knew that was the song for Ann and for my connection and getting into that character which might sound all lovey-dovey but it wasn't it was a very sort of
00:03:28
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it was just a really connected moment where before going out on stage I played that and I just thought this girl understood what love over gold means and you know the fact that and she says that this the in the play something like despite everything I still believe humans are truly good at heart and I was thinking goodness me you're 14 years old how can you write a sentence like that and this song for me sort of says that and it connects to the reason that I do what I do the reason that I was an actor and I'm now a presenter and because it's about connection and human connection and and I feel that that play and that song gives me that
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And what does survival mean to you? kind of it so Because it's where I was talking about this to someone the other day, and they was like, oh, there's lots of different types of survival. And I was like, that's a really point good point. And so I'm interested to know what, that I suppose, what when I asked you the question, what is your survival song, what how did you interpret survival? So when I thought about this and I really did think about it because there are quite a lot of songs that I go to and and they're quite emotive and they have amazing lyrics. I'm all about lyrics. That's where I start. I love poetry. um You know, there are there are quite a lot of artists that I could name that I love listening to that I go to in different
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times when I maybe need solace or um you know sort of looking to find a way through and they are all elements of survival but for me I picked this song because this song always takes me back to who I am and the reason that I do what I do and and the reason that I love life um and I think it's quite an upbeat song and a number of my other survival songs are maybe more mellow but this is about walking out on the high wire. you know And it's got a line in it that says, and you throw your love to all the strangers and caution to the wind. And that's what I try and do. you know I'm a presenter because I want to connect with people and I want to tell people's stories. It's not really about me. It's about what I can get from other people and and having that sort of real relationship with life and sort of engaging in that way. And it says you go dancing through doorways just to see what you will find.
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just to see what you will find. And that's what I want to do. I want to go through those doorways and see what life has and always sort of the money, it doesn't really matter. It's about the love, you know, it's about the about that sort of joy of being. And that's why it's survival for me because it's sort of the core of who I am and what I believe in. And so if I'm ever thinking, oh, this presenting looks mad and you know, and ah it's hard at the moment and
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the calls aren't coming, then I play Love Over Golden, I think, but you couldn't be doing anything else. This is who you are, and this is why you do this. So it's it that's why it's my survival song. And I'm quite pleased, really, because when I thought about it, I was like, yeah, it is quite upbeat, actually, and it is quite engaging. It's very 80s as well. yeah it's not the beauty Yeah, it's got, it I mean it's very eighties because it's got that whole, I'm gonna be boring now, it's got a whole lexicon reverb sound on it. Remind me a lot of Springsteen as well, there was a lot of kind of, he's sort of got that sort of same sort of, it's that cinematic view of of life, isn't it, that it's got. Which I don't know, I always think it's kind of, because of that widescreen view, it allows you to sort of see everything, right? A song, so that that kind of song allows you to look at things in a much more sort of like,
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remove things and those little songs are also beautiful for those tiny details can be just incredible but to write something that's widescreen but still feel personal is a real skill I think. Absolutely and i think I think it is an epic song like I say I feel like it sort of encapsulates my life and when I'm maybe struggling with with the next decision or if things aren't plain sailing ah at that particular time I sort of listen to it and go But there's a much bigger picture here and it's within that song and that can propel you to the next thing and sort of go, ah, life is life is big and it's wide and there's opportunity and maybe push another door and dance through that doorway and just see what happens and it will be OK. Yeah, ultimately those survival songs are like, they're either the ones that, I see Lydia was saying, ah she she loves those songs that are sort of halfway between the two. but and And I think that's things that a survival song can either just almost like reinvigorate like how you feel or it can change how you feel. Does that make sense? And so although sometimes by reinvigorating how you feel can kind of alter your mood mood state, right?
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Oh, definitely. And isn't music wonderful for that? You know, you you can hear certain songs and it can transport you back to a certain time in your life. um You can hear certain songs that you might be going through something at that time and and something really connects with you and it it can change how you feel about things, which is just, I think theatre's amazing for that. Storytelling, music, lyrics, just... just has real power and is so valuable in the world as well. and But i you know i it is an upbeat song and it it does it it reminds me, like I say, of who I am and and what I want to do. and and And I mean that beyond my career as well. I mean, who I am as a person. It's a very positive song and it has values in it. But I've cried to the to this song as well. you know
The Power of Music
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I've had times when i've been when I've been really down and I've just sort of thought,
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this song speaks to me in a way that other songs maybe maybe don't and it seems to be able to be applied to almost all the times I've needed it. You know and sometimes I haven't known I've needed it as well and then I play it and I'm like Yes, you. I needed you. Yeah, you're the one I was waiting for. Yeah. Yeah. Is there like, I know you've mentioned some lines in there, but is there like a moment, the bit when you're like, this is it, this is the, that, you know, there's, there's always a bit in a song, I think, where you're like, just my bit. That's for me. I think it is, you throw your love to all the strangers and caution to the wind.
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because the idea that
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that risk is good and it's bold and it brings new opportunity. You know, caution to the wind is about nature as well, you know, and and that sort of... I listen to this song outside quite a lot actually, and so I like listening to music in different places and I work outside a lot of the time and I think, you know, one, I like listening to the outdoors, so I'll have no music on, but then I do walk with music as well. And the idea that, you know, you've got something to bring to this world and and it's valuable and maybe by putting it out into the world you can make things better. That's always the aim. um And throwing your love to the strangers is about connecting with people, you know, which is my whole existence really. It's it's it's why I've picked the career I've picked. It's why um I'm in the friend group that I'm in. it is It's about
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the fundamental link human to human. Well blimey. Oh man, good, yes. yeah but But the thing is, I think that is that is music, right? that's that's yeah And I think that's creativity in arts, the arts, and just generally sort of there is a fundamental connection between us. all And I think we get caught up in you know our politics and our identity politics and our socio-economic politics, but actually sometimes fundamentally there are so many more deep things that connect people, right?
00:11:34
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that actually, you know, you can if you could go to a concert and actually be full of people that maybe, you know, if you were on Twitter or something like that, you'd be arguing with, you know, because you don't agree with whatever they think, but yeah but you are united at that point about that thing. Oh, oh, definitely. And it kind of crosses borders and languages and cultures and is sort of full of opportunity, really. And yeah, I know that does sound really deep, doesn't it? It does sound really deep, but the straight song from the from the 80s could do that. But yeah, that's that's what it can do.
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I always, it's weird, I always associate diastrates with Hull, which is where, you know, just about around where you're from. Yeah, that's where I'm from. And the reason why is because it's not, they're obviously not from... Because they're from the North East, obviously. They're from the North East. Yeah. But my diastrates always reminded me of John Lazenby, who was my best friend's dad. And he used to drive us everywhere, obviously, as dads did in his Monday out. And he would play diastrates, and he's from Hull. And so, like, I don't know why there's that... That's funny, isn't it? It's really funny. When I thought back and I thought, why do I know this song? I'd forgotten actually that it was my dad that said, give Dire Straits a listen. And I thought, oh, that's a really lovely connection. And I know you've said in another podcast that we often have connections with songs to people. And the fact that it did help me in that time when I was sort of
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a young actor and learning to experience different emotions and how to put those emotions out on stage. That's what acting is, you know, it's about telling a story and connecting. You you become an actor because you want to work with an audience. You know, there is nothing like live performance in that connection. And when I looked at Anne, that that's what she was doing. Her writing was about, I mean, she didn't know the diary was going to be found and then, you know, hundreds of thousands of people would read it. But it was always about expressing and making a record of the ways that she was feeling it and sort of going beyond herself, I think. and So those two things really matched up for me and I was like, cheers, Dad. Good one.
Lindsay's Current Work
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Good one. ah Lindsay, thank you so much for joining us. What are you up to at the moment? and
00:13:47
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So I have a bit of an eclectic career, as you know it. So I'm a TV and radio presenter and I work across and climate and culture and sport. So I i train as an actor, I do the art stuff. um I do quite a lot of wildlife stuff as well. So I've just been doing um a number of sort of keynote speeches about climate change and um how we connect with that um and and sort of how we make it important to different individuals because once you care about something then that's when you actually want to change your habits so it's it's about sort of looking at ah what people really care about in the world and and how we link that up with ah changing habits which is coming with climate change.
00:14:30
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um and then I am an international netball commentator as well so all my stuff is about is live stuff and it's about people basically and and so where I am next is covering the netball super league for the BBC which is the elite game in the UK and um I present and host that so you can get me on a BBC iPlayer come and watch some fantastic female lead sport, it is insane. And also you can see how tiny I am compared to the net more famous. And the shot is silly. The shot is like basically got my forehead in, in order to be able to get them into the shot. And i' I'm there like a little hobbit. reach shot with a mic And they're amazing, amazing, amazing women. So yeah, that's that's where I am now. And you have a podcast as well.
00:15:22
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I do have a podcast, yeah, so I um have the England Netball official podcast, so you can go and have a listen to that, and which is brilliant and sort of looks at the sport but also um wider female issues, so we made um a really brilliant pod, and brilliant because of the guests, obviously I was there as well, but they were great, about how and the changes that women go through how that's related to sport because there isn't a lot of research around that. There's a lot around men, and but there's not a lot about the changing female body. So we looked at and when you're a teenager and you have your periods and then we looked at having a baby. So I've just had a baby as well and and sort of how that's related to sport and how you can come back to sport from that. And then the menopause as well, which nobody knows about. yeah I was there going oh my goodness me and this is all coming to me and I have never been taught about it so and yes that that was a really and insightful episode I think so it's a bit yes a
Episode Wrap-Up
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bit different. Amazing well thanks so much for coming on and ah sharing your survival song with us it's been an absolute pleasure.
00:16:28
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Oh, it really has. So great to be here. Thank you for having me, Ed, and go and listen to some 80s tunes, everybody. Absolutely. Thank you. It was lovely to chat. Bye.
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