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Ep. 3 • Shedeur Sanders Is Our Jungkook
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The Colorado Buffaloes are set to take on Nebraska this Saturday after a stunning win over (formerly) ranked TCU last week. We had a LOT to say about the team’s performance, their doubters, the upcoming match, and which member of BTS the top players are most similar to (it’s left field, but makes sense when you watch the episode). All you need to know is we’re fans of the new CU Buffs era. And stay tuned for discussions about AI after halftime!
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Transcript
Missed Opportunities and Emotional Triggers
00:00:00
Speaker
that we just didn't record everything and we should have and we missed out on such good Shador content. Don't even say the word. Don't say that name around me, okay? No. Don't. Oh my gosh. If you say the trigger words, Hunter.
00:00:16
Speaker
Travis, Travis Hunter, whatever direction you want to put it. I know it's Travis Hunter, but let's be real. People have said every word. Travis Hunter, you say Edwards, you say Chador, you say Sanders, you say Colorado, you say Buffaloes. Don't say those words. They're trigger words for me. I want to go to that game so bad.
Deion Sanders: Transformative Leadership
00:00:35
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Me too.
00:00:41
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tickets are ridiculous now because first of all okay we have to talk about it now we have to talk about it we have 10 minutes of this let's just get it over with okay because it's been on my mind before the game okay before TCU during TCU and now here after TCU I still have to say something
00:01:04
Speaker
and it's the fact that people do not see with their eyes and use that to process things logically. If you know Dion Sanders, he has been a professional player. First of all, played four years in college, then became a pro, 14 years, now coaching for, I don't even know how many years, I didn't look it up, but did, I'm sure he did peewee, was it? Because he had these guys since they were younger, so he was going with boys from when they were like kids,
00:01:34
Speaker
to now being D1 athletes and has been coaching them forever. And then he goes into new teams, you know, Jackson State, like
00:01:43
Speaker
how do you not see that this man can take nothing and make it into something great? And you think he's not going to do that at Colorado? Just because what? It's Pac-12? Ooh, scary. OK, so what if you're Pac-12?
Athletic Critiques and Cultural Approaches
00:01:57
Speaker
You and I both know Chiara. We were at Northwestern University. Some of these boys, I'm not going to name names, but I know you thought about who it was. You thought about a couple of people who I'm talking about who should not have been D1 athletes.
00:02:12
Speaker
and they're in a D1 big 10 team and they're playing they're getting field time they're out there they're messing up game after game after game we're sitting there on the sidelines we're sitting there in our homes watching your TVs and we're like what is going on what is going on but you have Dion Sanders is it just because he's black like all
00:02:35
Speaker
Obviously my camera hates me because I was on a roll and it cuts but what I was saying is your camera's anti-black You're making a point about Dion Sanders and it was like no don't want to hear it It didn't it didn't even want to do it didn't want to because honestly, but it's so true It's like it has to be because he's black it has to be because he's giving these black kids a chance because he's taking people and he's
00:02:54
Speaker
He's doing what I wanted to do at Northwestern, but I just don't have credentials. Okay, I'm not a coach. I haven't played football. I don't know enough about the sport. He's a head coach, but he has everything he needs. And he went in there and he did exactly as he should have done. I don't think he should have done anything differently. Go into Colorado. Look at all these boys in the face. Did you see the video of when he first met the team, the original team, the one that was
00:03:18
Speaker
the Louie video one in 20 years, what Louie video when he was like, Oh, I'm bringing my luggage. Oh, yeah. And it's Louie. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Kiara. When I tell you I saw fear in some of these boys eyes, but then some of the boys you see like,
00:03:38
Speaker
like a fire. They're just not saying anything, but they didn't want anybody to know. But let me tell you, when you have people who are passionate, who are driven, who want success, who are hungry for success, you have no room for slackers on a team at all. No. You can't make room. They had to go. So many of them had to. You have a one in 11 team. It's not just all coaching. A lot of that, unfortunately, respectfully to those guys, is just a talent gap.
00:04:07
Speaker
That's all it is. They had to go. And he did exactly what he did. He came in with the broom and he swept the dust out. And now he's starting fresh and clean for spring, not spring. Well, fall. But you know
Winning Mentality and Team Culture
00:04:18
Speaker
what I mean? Spring cleaning, get them out. Start over, bring your luggage, unpack them because you know they're going to work because you know they want to succeed. You know they want success. I think that this needs to happen with every one in 11 team, consistent one in 11 team.
00:04:33
Speaker
let's say even 10 and two teams or two and 10 teams, because honestly, losers will never make winners. And then you don't attract winners to the team. No, it just it's like a self fulfilling prophecy. It just gets worse and worse and worse. And that's a negative cycle. That's the issue with Northwestern is that like we there's no vision to improve the program. And they were so bad for too long and gave
00:05:01
Speaker
coaches too much latitude to turn it around that now it's like the state of the program is irreparable. It's insane. You're right. Completely right. And I wish that somebody like him, if Dion went to Northwestern, did what he did, brought the people he brought, do you know
00:05:18
Speaker
how many people would be so ecstatic who are Northwestern fans, but there aren't many because honestly, we don't have a fan base. I have to disagree with you there. I think Northwestern fans like the average Northwestern fan is like a coastal progressive elite and wants a certain palatable kind of black head coach and would really like have a stronger version
00:05:45
Speaker
to the kind of person that Dion Sanders is. Even though he's not a bad person. He's just her very vocal, he's forward, he's confident, he's bold, he says what he thinks. And they would much rather someone who's like very buttoned up and goes very by the book. Like we like to call ourselves like a white collar school with a blue collar mentality. Northwestern's mentality is very white collar. I don't think the average Northwestern fan would take kindly, like the students today, sure.
Northwestern vs. Deion Sanders' Methods
00:06:14
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Students who have graduated in the last five years, probably most of them, but the alumni who have, you know, are in their 40s up, probably would not like Dion Sanders very much.
00:06:28
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to their detriment. And that's why the program like states right now is because they want to win in a certain way that does not is not conducive to success at this point. No, it doesn't foster winners. It doesn't foster success. They have no idea how to be successful in sports. Northwestern is a great academic institution, but they need help when it comes to athletics. And I wish men's like men's athletics specifically, the women are crushing it at Northwestern.
00:06:54
Speaker
Girl power honestly like they're great They are great. It's just something about it. There's something about it. So yeah, anyway, I See your point. I kind of agree with you the old alumni would not be as welcoming to him and so sad because honestly it's so necessary and I think that there are guys on that team right now and some in our recent past when we were equipment managers there who would have loved the
00:07:23
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Loved for him to be there who would have worked hard, but do I think that everyone would have made the cut? No But that's okay. I think that's a factor of life. It's something you learn It's like some people you can work your way to success other people it's just not your path and you need a reality check stop getting that participation trophy and just get told hey, you're a loser and It is what it is
00:07:49
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But you gotta be honest with people. You have to be honest. Because if you're trying to play D1 and you look like D2, D3, what are we doing? It's embarrassing, okay? And I'm not just talking about Northwestern here at this point, okay? I'm talking about anybody that's in a D1 program that looks like they don't belong. What he showed is that there are people out there at HBCUs, at FCS schools who can come in
00:08:16
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and literally change everything and change the entire flow of the game and make everything just exciting and fun. And sitting and watching that game, my heart was pounding. I had no idea, like, I can't even say I had no idea who was gonna win because as soon as I heard it was Deion Sanders' team, I knew he was gonna win.
Inspiration and Family Influence at Colorado
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But I loved the fact that it was challenging. I loved the fact
00:08:46
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that it just, it hooked your attention and it held on and it inspired you. It inspired me. I changed my whole lifestyle after that game. I'm sitting here like pushing myself for success because it's like, what am I doing here?
00:09:05
Speaker
like whatever it is that they've got going on there. Put me in coach. I'll be in the weight room. I'll be up at four in the morning, working out, waiting. Get put me in. I have a strong leg. I'll kick for you, Deanna. I will. I don't need to care. I literally would. I would be an equipment manager and a heartbeat for that team.
00:09:24
Speaker
I am embarrassed by how many times I watched that pregame speech. It was so freaking good. I was so good. You even sent it to me. For everyone listening to you, I sent me the video. It was my third time that I had watched it and that I watched it again just because she sent it. Yeah, I spent the music behind it. I think his son, one of his sons runs his social media and he's doing a phenomenal job. Wow. I did not know that. That's awesome.
00:09:52
Speaker
Yeah, like, I mean, he's built an incredible culture. Usually when people bring in people that they're related to, it makes things worse, right? Like the Nepo baby effect. Right. He is bringing in people who are related to him. And there's just something about being in the presence of Dion that just makes everybody excellent. So even though they're related to him, they're all like the best at what they do anyway. Right. And he got criticism for bringing in his son and making his son the starting QB like jokes on you.
00:10:22
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But they believe now. They didn't believe then. I mean, I always believed. No, no, no. They don't believe. People are still throwing out criticism. People are still saying, come Nebraska this weekend. You know, who knows? TCU was just the first game. It was just game one. It was luck. And it's like, do you realize that TCU was ranked?
00:10:41
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I mean, mind you, we can't look at the rankings now, okay? Because, of course, you had Duke and Clemson, and Duke shattered Clemson. That was nothing. It was like nothing. They won so easy in terms of the highlights I saw, because I was up in the sky when the game was happening, so I couldn't get the game. You were flying? Yes, sadly. I was so mad. But when I came back... Well, you didn't really miss much, though, unless you're rooting for Duke, who's coming in to play Northwestern in a couple weeks. It's going to be ugly.
00:11:10
Speaker
wow, tire fire waiting to happen. But I just say the rankings aren't trustworthy. We can't look at them anymore. But I don't think that the performance that we saw with cholera, I mean, you saw them perform. You saw the interceptions. You saw the passing yards. You saw the chemistry. How can you say that? That's luck. That is training. That's grit. OK, that is just complete effort dialed focus.
00:11:39
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that is going into their performance, that is not luck. So say what you want to say, do what you want to do. And if you don't believe at this point, that's on you for being blind. Because you know what?
00:11:58
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Just save it. Put your money in everybody else.
Expectations and Impact of Deion Sanders
00:12:02
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Put your time in everyone else. But when you see them climb up those ranks, and it doesn't even have to be this year, okay? It could be next year too. I don't care. They're a great team. He already pulled Colorado out of the gutter. He did exactly what he came to do. They already matched their win total from last year. Come on. Like, come on.
00:12:21
Speaker
This is ridiculous to me. How these people are sitting up here on social media, on media too, not like on the news talking about it. You are embarrassing yourself because if you didn't see the same game we all saw, you didn't. You didn't. I mean it's yes technically first game of the season but it was a decisive win. Personally like I would much rather
00:12:44
Speaker
them play with the chip on their shoulder. Like I want them to get disrespected in the polls that way they have that like extra edge and extra momentum and extra motivation and not that players necessarily need it. But it's just like I feel like that's the character of their team like they thrive off of the
00:13:03
Speaker
haters and the doubters. They do. And I'm so glad that they do. You have teams like Alabama. Their first game was MTSU. And they're highlighting Alabama like they did something spectacular. And it's like that game was nothing because MTSU, I'm sorry. Love you, Tennessee. I'm here with you. But you're not a great team. You're not. It was an easy win. You're sitting here with an unranked team beating TCU, a ranked team who was in the Nationals last year.
00:13:31
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You're kidding me. And then you want to say it's luck. But then Alabama did such a great job because they beat MTSU. It's so spectacular. No, Oklahoma dropped like 81. Like they dropped 81 on a team that they should have dropped 81 points on. Yeah, crazy. Go figure.
00:13:49
Speaker
Just shut up until Saturday. Like not you, but everybody else. Shut up until Saturday, see what happens. Be surprised and keep being surprised if that's what you want to do because I'm not going to be surprised anymore because I know what's going to happen. And I know it's Deon Sanders season.
00:14:05
Speaker
It is. It really is. It's still an Edward season. It's all of them. Anybody on Colorado, it's your season and go make it your season and prove everybody wrong. Just keep doing it because it is so fun to see when people lose and people's opinions are right. There are certain college football teams or moments that that just bring you on like a magical run. I think about
00:14:33
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I don't know if you watched college football back then, but when Auburn beat Alabama in the Iron Bowl in 2013, that was one of those miracle seasons. They had multiple miraculous one in a billion moments and one in a billion plays that happened on the field for them. It's early, but I think that could be Colorado.
00:14:53
Speaker
I really think it could be, especially just, you have like so many Heisman contenders just on one side of the ball, like three on one side of the ball on one team, or in Travis Hutter's case, both sides, which is insane. Insane. And it's not insane because many HBCUs actually have players that play both sides, but people in the big leagues have not seen it. Why? No, it's like, it's no good. And like, they're
00:15:20
Speaker
theoretically, could there be more players like him if they were allowed to? Sure. But he went to the one place where they would allow him to be who he is, a pitcher and an outstanding hitter. And because of that, now we get to all witness the brilliance and greatness that is him as a player. So it goes back to having coaches
00:15:40
Speaker
who have vision, who are smart, who are willing to be risk takers and give guys those opportunities to shine. Right. Right. And put them in a position to win. And that's like that's Coach Prime. That's Coach Prime. Coach Prime. I got excited. I love him. Me too. Okay. I think we're at a good stopping point.
00:16:04
Speaker
Let's end there with Colorado because we could talk the whole time about them. We know, but we promised that we were not a sports podcast and I feel like we're breaking that promise. But you know what? This is a podcast about the things that we're interested in and it just so happens that we're very interested in this progress with Colorado.
00:16:26
Speaker
and college football as a whole. So I'm looking forward to this season. I love that the rankings are being shaken up. I love that Colorado's coming up. I love that we see teams now that we haven't seen before. I'm looking at USC, Southern California, Trojans. I am excited. I cannot wait to see them play. I want, I just,
00:16:49
Speaker
I'm excited for the first time in a long time about college football. I was excited when I was in it, of course, because you're a participant in some way. But now, being outside, I was like, man, it's going to be dead. And it's not. Keep it up. No, it's not. I'm looking. I'm watching. And this goes for all teams. Do your best. Do your worst.
00:17:09
Speaker
blow it up, make changes, make plays. I don't care. Just do something spectacular and I'll be there to soak it in. I want it. I want the challenge. Just make it entertaining. I want to be entertained. I want to see something I haven't seen.
College Football and Coaching Diversity
00:17:22
Speaker
The beauty of Northwestern is probably going to be real bad this year. But there's freedom in that. I don't have to watch a boring brand of football thinking they might win. I can change the channel.
00:17:38
Speaker
And I can go watch a really competitive, engaging game because I already know the outcome. Even if they make it interesting, they're going to lose anyway. And if they win, it's going to be boring. Right. So now I can actually be a college football fan. I am unshackled from the suffering that so many Northwestern fans have. Right.
00:18:04
Speaker
Thank you, Coach Prime. Thank you, Coach Prime. We love you. We respect you. We don't love you because we don't know you, but we respect the heck out of you. We love what you're doing with the program because it was necessary and it's something that we've seen and we wished it happened at our institution, but it won't. It's fine.
00:18:25
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Last thing, I think it creates so many, hopefully, it creates so many opportunities for other black coaches who, like I mentioned earlier, might otherwise feel pressured to conform to a certain brand of coaching for football.
00:18:42
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the Nick Saban sort of brand. I mean even like guys like Lane Kiffin are a little more eccentric but not as out there with their personalities as Dion. I hope it gives black coaches more opportunities or coaches in general more opportunities to just show more personality and character because honestly it's it's not sports entertainment like wrestling but it is sports and it's supposed to be entertaining so like give me something to watch. Right I agree give me something to watch.
00:19:13
Speaker
That's all it is. And I'm watching. He's got my attention. I'm like, I am steeped in Colorado content. All my YouTube recommendations are Colorado because all the guys have their YouTube channels. So they're showing behind the scenes stuff. They're showing practice. Like I'm watching Dion Sanders, his son has like this well off brand where he's posting stuff too. Like I am engulfed. I'm steeped in Colorado stuff right now. And I hope they keep it up.
00:19:40
Speaker
I didn't know they had YouTube channels. I've been purposefully limiting myself to Twitter content only because there's so much. If I get into it, I'm not going to be able to function. They'll become my BTS, okay? I can't do it. I can't do it. Colorado is already my BTS. Oh, gosh. Shidor is my Jungkook. Wait, then what does that make for this? This runner is my V. Oh, wow. You're putting him at V?
00:20:11
Speaker
Wait, hold on, hold on. Wait, hold on. If we're making the comparison, he actually might be V. Because remember, V has like a very sweet, like soft boy look, but he's got the deep voice of the group. So it's like, he plays both sides. I think you might be right. That is like one of the best compliments that you could give someone. Fact. To say someone is V. Oh my gosh. The highest acclaim to Colorado.
00:20:40
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and VTS. Yes. Okay, I'm excited. Let's get into the episode. Okay, so should we do our intro? Who are we? Yeah, Lina, what's I already said your name. Hi, I'm Kiara. Hi, I'm Lina. No, we're even we're doing it in the wrong order. Are we? Are we? Did we have to have an order this time?
00:21:06
Speaker
Everything's off kilter. Everything's off kilter. We're so discombobulated. I am. I'm pumped. I'm excited.
00:21:20
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Hi, I'm Kiara. And hi, I'm Lina, and you're listening to Take It To Go, a one-stop shop podcast about all things life, love, and lol-worthy.
AI and Adulting Challenges
00:21:30
Speaker
Now, as much as we'd like to spend the rest of this podcast talking about Colorado, at the end of the last episode, we did get a little bit into a conversation about AI. We did, we did. And so- Artificial intelligence, yep.
00:21:47
Speaker
We decided today that Chat GPT will pick our episode topics. But we do have some on the side, things that we would like to talk about as well. But Kiara, if you would go ahead and make that choice. Honestly, let's throw the script away. Let's just wing it. Let's see where Chat GPT takes us. Cool. Let's do it. OK. We need to come up with a great prompt. We're doing this live, by the way. We're doing this live.
00:22:16
Speaker
We need to come up with a great prompt. What do you want to ask chat GPT to get our episode topics? Oh, chat GPT. We are. Are you typing it in? Okay. So I'm covering it. Yeah. Um, we are a two women podcast, not about sports. Please pick just let's be straightforward. Please pick our podcast topic for today.
00:22:50
Speaker
I think let's give it a little more information. What if we mentioned that we're like a comedic lifestyle podcast? That's perfect. A two women comedic lifestyle podcast. And we're just gonna be honest and do exactly what it says. Lena doesn't even know what it's about to bring up. I have no idea. Okay, we're gonna read word for word.
00:23:17
Speaker
what it says. This topic today's topic this is honestly this is so good because I feel like we brainstormed this already kind of really the top the topic today is the art of adulting hilarious life hacks and failures
00:23:37
Speaker
Oh, okay. The description they gave us in this episode, you can discuss the ups and downs of trying to navigate the world of adulthood with humor and wit. Share personal anecdotes and stories of your own experiences with adulting, both successful moments and epic fails. That's a very good suggestion. This is good. Adulting is so hard. It really is.
00:24:02
Speaker
I think the most relatable things I see about adulting is like as a 25 year old, I'm not like, I'm 25 years old, but really I'm like four in adult years. Like I'm a baby, I just started being an adult. How's it treating you so far? You know, I think it's treating me pretty well. I, in some ways like, okay, I have a job, I go to work, I sit in the office, I do all those parts of being an adult.
00:24:32
Speaker
other than that, like, I feel like a kid, like, because I feel like I in like the best part, like in the best ways, though. Like, I like doing things that that society says that, you know, you hit this age, so you can't do this anymore. Like the other
00:24:52
Speaker
Not the other day, but like my brother, for example, had a birthday party last year and we had my brother who's like much older than me and we had some kids in our family come over and they started playing with chalk outside. At some point, I guess adults were told that you're not allowed to draw on sidewalks with chalk, but I did it and it was a ton of fun. So it's, yeah, no, honestly, I can, I used to do that all the time. I would make the hopscotch boards out of chalk.
00:25:21
Speaker
And then play, like when did we stop doing that and why? Isn't it crazy? Like we all have that like final day that we stopped playing outside, but we didn't know it was the last day. Exactly. And I have like a big box of chalk too, like all the sticks that were inside and it would just like dwindle down as time went on and you just don't know when the last time is.
00:25:43
Speaker
But that's the thing I like about my brand of adulting is if I found that box of chalk, I'd be like, OK, let's go play with chalk, I guess. Yeah. It's a very nice thing because it gives you a sense of freedom. I think that's what we miss when we become adults. And truly, what is your definition of an adult? Because mine is just being able to be financially independent in some sense, but right now,
00:26:11
Speaker
I'm an adult, I have a degree just like you have a degree from a very prestigious institution and yet still like I'm back at school flying and I live at home. So it's like some people might not consider me an adult because I don't live in my own apartment and I don't. I live at home too. So it's like, yeah, like what are we doing? But I feel like that's our generation now too because just the state of
00:26:37
Speaker
the economy and different things. It's hard to afford these apartments. It's $2,000 a month or more where I am in Nashville. I'd rather stay at home and do what I need to do to get the rest of my education before I completely break off from my parents. Do you believe that Nashville is hit with $2,000 for one bedrooms? Yeah.
00:27:02
Speaker
Yeah, it's ridiculous what it is for New York. And I know it's it's just shivers. It doesn't even make sense. Because every once in a while, like I do the thing that everybody like at least I think a lot of people do this, you'll go on Zillow. Instead of just like, imagine what it would be like to have $10 million to buy a house, right? You just sort of let your eyes wander and dream and imagine. And I go
00:27:32
Speaker
look at apartments sometimes, I look at the ones that are for sale, the ones that are just for rent. And I'm like, who are the people? Like who? Who buys that? Who is the person who is buying the $900,000 studio in Turtle Bay? I don't know. Who is that person? I wouldn't be that person. I need to be that person.
00:27:59
Speaker
I mean, you're a pilot. You're going to be that person. But for the rest of us, who are the people who can do this? And that's the thing is, I don't know. I know right now, since we're on an AI episode, I go on TikTok all the time and I look at these accounts of the AI dream homes, where it says,
00:28:21
Speaker
$35 million home in France and in a factory or something. And it's like you look and you scroll through all these pictures and it has the nostalgic music playing in the background. And it's like, whoa, this is so pretty. This is so beautiful. But then you can't even tell.
00:28:36
Speaker
that it's fake, that it's not real, but it looks so real. And soon enough, I'm using these things to plan out my future home because I'm looking at the windows and I'm looking at the furniture and the layout and it's beautiful. If I could be that person, when I become, nope, you know what, when I become that person, when you become that person who has millions of dollars to spare and we get our nice penthouse or $35 million a year home,
00:29:05
Speaker
Like $35 million a year. $35 million a year because they're $35 million period home. Not a year. I mean, in this economy, we're not so far off from that. Honestly, because we're not going to be able to own anything in the future anyway. I mean, honestly, for so many people, it might as well be $35 million. Because if you can't afford a million dollar home, what difference does it make if it's
00:29:35
Speaker
if it's 35. You can't afford it either way. It doesn't even make a difference for you. I'm filing bankruptcy, whichever way it goes. Right? Come on. I just say, I think there's a certain aspect of, I guess,
00:29:53
Speaker
You just have to kind of believe in yourself to get to that point and then also just be like, but you can't say like, oh, just save your money because you're not even making that much money in a lifetime anyway with an average job. So you really have to do something special.
00:30:07
Speaker
you have to do something completely off the cusp to get to that point. You have to be extraordinary in what you do. You have to like pick a passion and it doesn't have to be just one thing, but like find your passion or passions and really pursue it and go at it unapologetically. My question for you is so
00:30:28
Speaker
So many people, like you said, love those AI slideshows on TikTok.
AI Fantasies and Realities
00:30:34
Speaker
We see the AI hot guys, those fake photos that they'll make on mid-journey or whatever that show what it looked like to be in a Goldman Sachs office in the 90s or whatever. It's all
00:30:48
Speaker
AI guys. And I'm wondering, like, do you think people create these things and get so, like, excited about them because they, they just see it as fantastical, like something that they could never achieve? And so this gives them like a little feeling of what it might be like? Or do you think people use these AI generated fantasies as aspirational?
00:31:14
Speaker
I mean, I believe it's aspirational. And let's say like, outside of the, the AI attractive men or women that they generate, let's go even to like LinkedIn, when everybody was doing their LinkedIn profile headshots through AI with Kira. I never actually made it my profile pic. They were all terrible.
00:31:34
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My thing is some people actually do. And first of all, you can tell. So if you do have your picture, like you look like a bot right now, but soon you won't be able to tell it'll be so seamless, so beautiful. And you have to think about like, what is AI? What is artificial intelligence? How does it get that intelligence? It pulls together information from the thoughts, feelings, opinions of all the people that interact with it. So when you're on your little chat bot,
00:32:00
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And you're telling it everything that you love, everything that you dislike, everything that you want. It stores that somewhere out there in a cloud, somewhere out there in a big date computer database. And then what other programs get made, other AI gets made, and it sends that information. So it's a conglomerate of what everybody views as
00:32:22
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as necessary in their life or what they want in their life or their dreams or their goals. It's aspirational. It has to be aspirational and inspirational for these people. It's like everybody's posturing because there's no other reason why you would use AI to alter the way that you look, the way that you feel. I mean, I could go on here after we filmed this episode and put a full face of makeup on. Right now, I'm barefaced. I could put a full face of makeup on.
00:32:48
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and it would look like I'm wearing makeup just through the editing that I do on this video. I could take my cheeks, I could like make my shoulders broader, slender, like there's so much that goes into it nowadays that AI is just going to be completely insane and scary when we get into the future because you're not going to be able to tell what's real and what's fake. I think you mentioned something earlier that I do want to go back to and it's that
00:33:19
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What did you say? It was something good. Was it about the, so first AI men, inspirational, the LinkedIn profile photos. It'll come back to me. Not being able to tell things that are real and fake, deep fakes. Okay. Yes. That's what I was talking about. We didn't even talk about deep fakes and like, okay. I was on the same wavelength as you. Yeah. But what I was going to say is that like,
00:33:49
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We're kind of like in the beginning of AI and yet like did you have any anticipation that we would be so good at identifying stuff when it's fake? Like I remember like people were really freaked out when a lot of the deep fake stuff like started propping up with like different videos people would edit on Twitter and now I feel like
00:34:12
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At least where AI is right now, I almost never see something and find out that it's AI and think, oh my gosh, you kidding me? I had no clue. A lot of the stuff actually looks artificial in some way. Right. It does. You just have to know what to look for. It does. But I think that that's the key ingredient is that if you don't know what to look for,
00:34:36
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then you're going to be fooled. And what's the point where that key changes? Like back to the house example, when I'm looking at these dream houses, it's like the landscape in the background out of the window will be different. They might say dream house in France, but it's a New York skyline. And then they get that fixed. So then now, okay, dream house in France. Now it's the French background, but then you're looking. And the only thing that I can tell is, oh, well, the faucets don't look right.
00:35:04
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So then when they fix the faucets, then what's the key that I look for?
00:35:08
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So I think that that's the progression of AI that you're going to have to be aware of later on. And that's what's going to fool most people is what's the key? What's the thing? It's like inception, right? When the only way that he could tell that he was in a dream was to spin that top. And if it kept spinning, he was in a dream. But if it fell over, then he was back in reality. Soon, you're going to have to have to find a trigger like that. And I don't think it'll be noticeable, not in an online platform. No.
00:35:38
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Like you said, like it's, it is obviously like some people think it's quote unquote smarter than like chat GPT, like definitely has more information than like the average person has, even like a exceptionally smart person has. And yet still, like you said, because it's pulling data from what we give it, in some ways, it's a reflection of us, right?
00:36:08
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And I wonder like, which parts of us as a society are being reflected into AI? Like, I know a lot of, like, there's certain questions that you can ask at GPT, that it will say like, hey, like, I'm, as an AI, I'm like, ethical and responsible, I can't like talk about this sort of thing, right? Like, when I wanted to ask it how, how you can find guys who are like,
00:36:35
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have like awesome careers. And it's like, oh, you should just, you know, marry for love, you should never want to marry a guy because he has a good career, which is obviously ridiculous. But like, I just like wonder, like, what sort of societal changes in like, five years and 10 years would change the output from AI that we get? I don't I honestly, I don't know, because
00:37:02
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I think it would be a matter of changing the input, but I don't even think that you can change the input because then it would take away that group of where you get all of the information from that makes it so realistic, that makes it so enticing.
00:37:18
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You have, I mean, I even saw on Instagram today an article about kids who are using AI to turn a three hour session, a three hour lesson into a 10 minute review that helps them pass their tests and people are marking it as cheating. Well, is it cheating or is it efficiency? You know, you find a program that just knows all of the keys to good study habits, to good summarization, to efficient, just,
00:37:46
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I guess, tricks of efficiency for studying, doing anything that you want to do in terms of academia. And they give it to people and they give you these tools and then all of a sudden it's like, oh, you shouldn't, like that's not correct. That's not moral. Like you should have to sit through a three hour session. Like to break it down into 10 minutes is terrible. And it's like, why? Why is becoming a more efficient society terrible? I think I was talking to my dad the other day.
00:38:14
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And actually, I think my cousin was there too. And he was explaining that he gets very irritated whenever he hears his children or people say that they're bored. Because there's too much that you could be doing at any given moment to say, I'm just bored, I have nothing.
Technology's Effect on Attention and Learning
00:38:35
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And I think
00:38:37
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The fear that I have personally when it comes to people relying on AI to just distill everything down into easily digestible nuggets of info is that we're losing our attention spans in a serious way. There are so many people who joke around and say, I can't even watch movies now because of TikTok.
00:38:57
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without Minecraft going in the background because they have those split screen TikToks where on one half someone's playing subway surfers and on the other half someone's telling a story. And I think that probably affects the way people interact as adults, the way people want to date each other. They are so accustomed to having things so quickly on demand that they don't want to
00:39:20
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meet people in person, they don't want to take things slowly. Everyone wants that instant gratification. And I think there is some merit to doing things slowly, not just because you can appreciate the beauty of the process of learning something or critically thinking through something, but just because people just can't
00:39:43
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like be in their own minds in their own solitude for five minutes. Like they just constantly have to have some sort of engagement input. This is not really AI specific. It's like tech in general. That to me is like the only thing I would push back on in terms of like why it would maybe be better for a student to have to learn about something and the intricacies of it over three hours instead of just like pulling out the biggest main idea parts in 10 minutes.
00:40:11
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Right. I guess that's the thing. And I like what you said. It's not AI specific, but it's exacerbated by AI. And I do see your point. I think back to when we were in school and I don't know if you had spark notes for
00:40:25
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literature class. And so it was one thing where you could tell the kid who went to Sparknotes who got the main points that they could be prepared for discussion easily. Yes, you were prepared. Yes, you knew what happened in the book that you were reading and you were able to present it to the class and do what you needed to do to get that passing grade.
00:40:44
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But the ones who read, you were able to dive a little bit deeper in terms of your critical thinking because you made these unique connections possibly to your own life, possibly to external factors that related to the book or related to the situation at hand. So I can see that critical thinking, that personalization of critical thinking would be lost or could potentially be lost.
00:41:10
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how or if or how AI is currently affecting the airline industry or flying? I don't. I don't. So many people for good reasons have some fear about how AI might end up replacing them, stealing their job. I fall on the side of you can use it to enhance your job, but I don't even know.
00:41:39
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AI proof field. I feel like flying is pretty AI proof. I think it's pretty AI proof. I think maybe like the ticket people, or the front desk people that you go to at the airport to like, hey, my ticket is wrong or whatever, like that could be computerized and automated in the future. But I think with pilots, I think we're okay for now.
00:42:08
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are the factor that would be scary for me because I think drones could possibly take that role. And I don't sounds terrifying. That's the plot of a horror movie or a sci fi movie. I would think that drones could be controlled remotely. But I would wonder how ethical that would be to have somebody sitting remotely controlling a plane full of, you know, 200 people going across the Atlantic, you know, like, I just don't see that happening anytime soon. So I feel like
00:42:37
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the actual act of being a pilot is safe. What about you? Do you feel like your marketing job might be in danger? I think for some parts of marketing, like copywriting could be at risk. But if you use chat GPT enough, and I've used it just like in my personal life,
00:43:00
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for fun, like asking it to write essays about different things to see how it can argue both sides of something. To me, just like we were saying about like you can pick up when a photo or image is AI generated, I can, like maybe it's just because I'm actually using chat GPT when I search, but like I can pretty easily tell like this is not high quality writing, this is AI generated. Right.
00:43:27
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People think that copywriting is really vulnerable, but to me, like at this point, like the version of chat GBT that we have, and I paid for like the chat GBT four for a little bit and now I'm not paying for it anymore. But at least like the chat GBT three is not up to snuff to replace even like an average marketer at this point. Okay.
00:43:50
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Not for me. I could be wrong in 10 years, but in 10 years hopefully the podcast has taken off. I won't even have to worry about that. Yeah, we'll be safe at that point. I could see that. I definitely do think that the communications field is a little bit more at risk in the future. Because like you said, once things get better, once things get more seamless, it'll be easy to replace that role because you have a program that can do literally anything and everything.
Society, AI, and Education's Future
00:44:18
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But right now,
00:44:20
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were in the clear. I think that's interesting because conventional wisdom might say, okay, well, this tool AI is like freeing up all this time for me to do other things. Maybe that gives me the liberty to
00:44:42
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live the adult life that I want to live and I'll have the freedom to work from other places or travel more or pick up my hobbies or do whatever it is that you want to do as an adult. But on the other hand, you still have to actually make money to support the things that you want to do. I think, yeah, in the end, it'll be a net positive for society, but
00:45:11
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not without some growing pains probably. I just hope that the time that AI does free up for people, they use to actually do something productive and conducive to help with society, help themselves, their families, like do something that's positive. Because if you get all of this time and you don't use it for anything except to sit around, laze around, be on social media, do nothing in a sense,
00:45:40
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What is it for? It's for nothing. Then you just wilt away and waste away and you're essentially nothing because you're not contributing anything to yourself or to others. So I think that's going to be a big challenge, especially for our generation is to actually be proactive because we're that generation where we're told what to do and we just do it. Really? Could you give me an example?
00:46:09
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Like our whole education system is, you know, learn and regurgitate. Like you're not really learning. You're just receiving information to spit it back out and then you're not retaining anything. So really it's just, this is what you need to know for the test. Do this and you're fine. It's not how do you critically think on this topic? Like we were talking about earlier, like you just, that's something that you have to train or, or
00:46:35
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know, be accustomed to through your behaviors and your actions, and we're not that. And so I'm just worried about our generation in that regard. I think critical thinking is a lost art. And this is like the, like a very online thing, like everybody who's got an opinion about something thinks that people who disagree with them are not critical thinkers. But truly, like,
00:47:01
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I feel like, like you said, because our education system is so geared toward just retaining enough until the end of the quarter. And then like, I could just fill in the blanks with some new information so I can keep passing and get my A's or whatever. That to me doesn't actually help people or prepare people enough to be really smart functioning adults. To me, like the experience that I look back on,
00:47:28
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that has been most helpful in teaching me how to speak, how to interact with people, how to defend my ideas, how to understand and be able to explain ideas that I don't agree with is debate. I was a big debater in high school and
00:47:45
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That's not just about the topics themselves that you had to debate, but you actually had to take time to construct arguments and write and read and listen to people and know when to push back, know when to let certain things slide. And I think that's more hands-on, real-world way of educating yourself is way more beneficial. And I feel like that's not even as prominent as it should be in college. Like it did in high school.
00:48:15
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And I never got to debate anything or anyone on anything in college. Maybe it was just the major that I chose. But it should be, I guess it should be a staple across all sorts of backgrounds and majors and interests that you have in college because it is important. I mean, you go out in society, what do you do? You talk to people. You have an idea, you're an engineer, how do you present it? How do you defend it?
00:48:42
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you have to know these things. And I think that it's just so sad to see people now that legitimately cannot or just are so bad at it. And I mean, everybody's bad at something. Like I'm not the perfect person to talk or to speak or do any of that. But if you keep working at it, you eventually get better or you get more comfortable with knowing who you are, how you are as a person. Some people just aren't good at
00:49:08
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doing that in general. And they know that, but they're smart in other things. So it's like you find your path and you go that way. Wow, this wraps up pretty well. It goes back to what I was saying about Dion Sanders.
00:49:26
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If you're not a football player, if you don't want to be successful, if you don't want to be D1, get off the team. But it's okay to be told that you're not good. It's okay to accept that about yourself and go find something else because you might have another path that's waiting for you, that's sitting there. So you could go be like the greatest consultant of all time. And you would have never known if Dion didn't tell you you sucked. Exactly. Now they can go be like the person they were actually meant to be.
00:49:56
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That's refreshing. Okay. One more, one more thing about Dion. This is great. So they don't have captains at Colorado. If you look at their jerseys, they just say L and D for leaders and dogs. I love that. I was looking at it at the game. I was like, what's an L? What's a D? A D is a dog. Like he's got two dogs. He's got two leaders. That's awesome. See, we love him.
00:50:25
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Everything comes full circle. Everything is trending up Colorado. Even this podcast, we can't help ourselves. We have to have a Colorado title. It has to be. I'm putting the logo in the front on our cover photos because Dion is going to be photoshopped in the back behind us. For real, maybe we can make a thumbnail for the YouTube video that just shows us next to him and no one's going to know what in the world. They're just going to see his face and click. Everyone.
00:50:56
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Thank you so much for listening to this podcast. We really appreciate you for being here, speaking about AI. This is fine. This is different. I had no idea where this was going. Neither did I. I knew it was going to come back to Colorado, but I just didn't know how we were going to get back to Chidor and Dion. We're so excited.
00:51:13
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I hope we can edit this before this game on Saturday because that would be great. But if not, we're going to get it up for sure. Everybody's going to see what happens. We're excited. I'm excited. I know Kiara is excited for the game. I just cannot wait. Hopefully we can be at Stanford.
00:51:34
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But those hotel tickets, you people are wack, Boulder, you're wack because you're trying to get $1,000 a night? Honey, I have to pay plain the game and your hotel fees? No. So if anybody has a place. We need someone in our audience who's got a hookup, who's got a connection, who works for Hyatt or something, who's like, yeah, I got my
00:51:59
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hotel night perk. Come on, come take it. That's what we need. That's what we need. So if that's you, please reach out to us. You can contact us by following us on Instagram, TikTok, Twitter at take it to go pod, or by emailing us at ticket to pod at gmail.com.
00:52:16
Speaker
Did I say that too fast? No, I think they got it. You can listen to it back on like 0.5X if you need. Please. If you need a recap. And you can follow me, Lena, at FlyingWithLena on Instagram. Or you can follow me, Kiara, on TikTok, Instagram, at TheKiaraDanielle. So thanks for listening, and we'll see you on our next ride. See you on our next ride. Bye. Bye.