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Ep. 0015 | Divine Timing & The Business of Becoming
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In this soul-nourishing chapter of The GR8TNESS Router, host Zena C. welcomes her cousin and guiding light, Dr. Deborah Threadgill Egerton, for a rich conversation on what it means to become.
From the sacred stillness of a back porch prayer to building a global brand rooted in healing, Dr. E unpacks the real work behind purpose: trusting the call before the path is clear. Together, they explore the intersections of divine timing, identity, obedience, and the quiet power of being well-loved.
Whether you’re navigating a pivot or waiting on a promise, this episode will remind you that transformation isn’t a destination—it’s an unfolding.
💫 Listen closely. The business of becoming is already in motion.
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Connect with Dr. Deborah Egerton on LinkedIn, Instagram, or learn more about her work at DeborahEgerton.com
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Introduction to 'The Greatness Router'
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This is the Greatness Router, where we connect purpose to process one conversation at a time.
Meet Dr. Deborah Threadgill Egerton
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Great day, beautiful people. And welcome back to another episode of The Greatness Router. I'm your host, Zena C. And I am here with you and bringing to the stage my dear cousin, who I'm so grateful that she has taken the time out of her busy and productive schedule to grace her presence with with us. And I'm so so grateful. So today's guest is a true force for healing, transformation, and unity.
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My cousin, Dr. Deborah Threadgill Egerton. Affectionately known as Dr. E, is a globally respected psychotherapist, bestselling author, executive coach, and spiritual teacher.
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As president of the International Enneagram Association, she's pioneering the use of the Enneagram as a tool for personal growth, social justice, and deep healing.
Dismantling Marginalization Through the Enneagram
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Dr. E's work dismantles marginalization and fosters belonging by guiding individuals through the power of inner work. Her bestselling books, No Justice, No Peace, and that's K-N-O-W, No Justice, No Peace, and Enneagram Made Easy, break down complex systems in a way that makes deep self-discovery accessible.
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And for those ready to take it further, she's also created the Enneagram Inner Work Journals, a collection of nine companion guides designed to help you explore your type on a deeper level.
Icebreakers: Historical Figures and Self-Perception
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She's about wisdom, she's about action, and she's about bringing people together. Dr. Eve, welcome so much to the show. How are you today? i am wonderful because I'm looking at you and so happy to be here with you.
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I'm so grateful for you. Y'all, this is one of the most pleasant people I think I've ever met in my lifetime. And it's just I'm just grateful to share space with you. So thank you. um i want to hop into a few icebreakers. You and I have warmed up, but I want to warm the audience up so that we are now sharing
From Childhood Modeling to Helping Others
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an audience. And I'm grateful for you. And I want them to know ins and outs of how your brain works and why we are where we are. So my first question for you,
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dr y if you could sit down with any historical figure and help them discover their Enneagram type, who would it be and why?
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it would be Mary Magdalene. oh You would go for the gusto. It would be Mary Magdalene. And the reason would be because once I knew that Mary Magdalene and i shared a language, which really is what the NERM helps people to understand is okay understand each other's energy. Then the wisdom that I would be able to glean from her in my journey on this earth would just be, you know, beyond, beyond profound. Yeah.
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And so we'd sit down, we'd have a conversation about the Enneagram. I'd understand how the energy, the divine feminine energy, which really flows from mary Magdalene, Mother Mary, the Black Madonna, all of that.
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When we look at that, if we understand that, then we have gained a level of wisdom that would make us absolutely unstoppable.
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So I just want to sit down and, you know, have the tea with with Mary Magdalene and we would just become sisters as we already are. i love it. Sisters in energy. i am here for it. yeah I respect that.
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Thank you that I did not know that that was going to be the response, but I feel as though it is absolutely perfect. So thank you for that. My next one, my next little icebreaker is you spent your career helping people uncover who they really are, which is where I'm trying to go, y'all.
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But if you, if someone had to describe you in three words, what would they say? Matriarch, mentor.
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The three M's. Did y'all hear that? Matriarch, mystic, and mentor. I love it. I love it. And that's a mic drop. that That is a mic drop. we No explanation needed. you will You will get all of that nitty gritty in just a moment. Thank you.
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So I hope that our audience is warmed up and I'm warmed up. So let's hop into the purpose behind your work. If you had to pinpoint the moment that you knew that this was your calling, what you're doing right now was your calling, what would it be?
Founding Trinity Transition Consultants
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It really started in my childhood. ah ah And because it's you, I'll disclose some things. Well, this is public. So are we good? We're good. You know, ah but even when when it's public, depending upon who's interviewing you,
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You know, that there are places that you're willing to go and places that you're not. and I appreciate this trust she is about. Oh, my gosh. Okay, let me hush. I'm listening. It's the trust.
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It's the trust and the love that's here. Thank you. You know, i when I was 10 years old, I started modeling. And i grew up in New York City and it wasn't necessarily something that I aspired I was discovered, so to speak.
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But ah there were things that I learned during that process. things that I learned about how to take care of myself and you know how you're supposed to walk and talk and look and act and what have you.
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And i was, I can i can can say, fairly say that I was the first, if not
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One of the first, the first little 10-year-old African-American girl walking runways. Wow. You know, that was lot. That was a lot. That is. There a of pressure because what I understood clearly was that depending upon how well I did or did not do, i would either open or close doors for others like me to come behind me.
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That's a lot of pressure. It is. And, and I can say to you that, you know, it started with runway and then, you know, print ads and then television commercials and then soap operas and and things of that nature.
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But I knew that My calling was to help people from the time that I was 10 years old, because everything that I learned, i would go back and I'd gather the little girls in the neighborhood and I would teach them.
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So, you know, i'd have i'd'd I'd have a group of little girls walking with books on their hands. I love it. I'm teaching them how when you go to sit in the car, you you you you put your butt in first and then you swing your legs in. you know And here I am, 10 years old, trying to really spread the wealth. you know i mean, I had access to lessons and learning that wasn't every day, particularly in our community.
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So I just, everything that I learned, I brought it back and I found great satisfaction in sharing whatever I learned with the the people that were around me.
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So while I didn't know that it was going to take the path of dismantling oppression or defending and fighting for the marginalized,
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But I knew that I would somehow be in the helping profession because that's what i that's what. li do Naturally. Yeah. I love that. Thank you for sharing that with me.
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Yeah. All these family reunions and we've never discussed this. yeah and And very few people know it because I have threatened your cousin under pain of, you know, changing the lots on the doors. Got yeah yeah shares all all of you know Because not everybody needs to know that.
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Yes. But in context, it makes sense. It's appropriate. Yeah. It's appropriate. appropriate you You probably opened the doors for... It's no probably. You opened the doors for so many young women. And I can only imagine how that has rippled out as well. So thank you for that, for for standing on those soapboxes and for for holding the door open for these other young people so that now we can...
The Power of Self-Love and Overcoming Challenges
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You know, the floodgates are open now. lets Let's just be honest. They are open. And and most importantly, Zina, one of the things that I look at is that, you know, when I was doing it, they chose me because of my complexion.
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I could blend in and I wouldn't be too obvious. You know, this was, you know, we were going through the civil rights movement, all that was happening. And so there was a movement to start integrating us into spaces, but you know, it wasn't everybody that they were integrating into spaces.
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What I love now is the beautiful, diverse range yes particularly black women and women of color, it is just, it's not just the dominant norm standard of beauty anymore.
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You know, right I love that. And I, i love it too I was part of that, you know, so you, you, you are part of that. Like you, you literally held the door open. So y'all Dr. E give her, give her her flowers. I'm going to give them to him right now. We're we're so grateful for you.
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Thank you for that. i love it. And it really provides the underlining meaning of your work now. And i love these conversations that I've been having on this podcast because it shows the process, the work that is necessary, even behind the pomp and circumstance or behind the current title. So thank you for sharing that that personal story. that That means a lot.
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You trusted me. i yeah I feel so loved right now. Okay. Let's discuss a pivot point. I know there have been several, but let's discuss a pivot point. Was there ever a time when you almost chose a different path than what you're doing right this moment?
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Yes, there was. And it happened, as you you know, um my husband is a physician,
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But he was in the military and we moved all around the world. And in all of those different moves as a military wife, I would always have to reinvent myself.
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So I would have to figure out what skills I could bring to that country, that state, that community, so that I would be impregnable.
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But, you know, we had three children, so I had some some ground rules that were really solid around parenting, and that was that I was not going to be a commuting mother.
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In other words, if they were in school and something happened, I wanted to be able to get to them within 10 minutes. So it had to be local.
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And for many, many years, I, you know, did different things. I, you know, I taught high school. I'm a psychotherapist. So I was the counselor the in the high school in Germany.
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was the... i was the psychotherapist on staff at State University of New York. When we came back to New York, um I was the assistant to the president of the University for Multicultural Affairs.
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You know, so there were always these different little things that that I was was doing. When Gene made what was to be his final move, which was to Maryland, Aberdeen Proving Grounds, I i had settled the family everybody took care of everybody everybody was where they needed to be and then i sat out on our back porch and i began to pray and i said okay god um here i am and what am i going to do now i need a job and i got an answer and the answer was
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why do you need a job when I have provided everything that you need?
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And I'm like, excuse me?
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Would you repeat that?
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I got a repetition of the response. Why do you need a job? I have provided everything that you need. And I had to go into deep stillness in that moment. And I said,
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Because I want to serve. Because I want to serve. The right answer. and The only answer. The only answer. and And the response that came to me was, start your own business and call it Trinity.
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Oh my goodness. Okay, I'll do that. What's Trinity going to do? crickets. I got nothing. Okay. So I'm starting a business instead of going out and finding a job like I really did.
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And, um, I thought, okay, so if I can ever take any credit for anything I've done in, in life, it's only been the credit that maybe you can take for being obedient and that's fair. No, following, uh, following the call.
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So I did start a business. I did all the paperwork and I trademarked the name and I called it Trinity Transition Consultants. I love him No idea what it was going to do. it's so And that's fine because with that title, it can be anything.
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Could be anything. So about a week later, i got a call from Army Family Services. They asked me, did I know how to do team building? I said, yes. I started working with a group of government contractors trying to help them.
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And I mean to tell you from that day to this one, I never went without work. Ever. So here's what I got from that.
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Open your ears, open your heart and listen. And when you receive an answer, if it's unclear to you, request clarification. And if and when it does come, you need to act accordingly. Right.
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Because your steps have been ordered. Ma'am. Yeah. am Amen. Did I get it? You got it. You got it. You got it. And what's so important about that is, is you may have to wait a while.
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oh and You may have to wait a while. You know, I had no i idea what Trinity was going to do. And that was in, I started Trinity Transition Consultants in 1997.
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Wow. So I have been a entrepreneur and run my own business since 1997. I've never had a boss, you know, have never had anybody to to tell me what I could or could not do.
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But you know, that was the gift. I am grateful for that. Thank you for sharing. That was a lot of knowledge packed into that response and it has helped me. So I know I need to get on your, your tea calendar. I'm not even going say like business. guy I need to get on your tea calendar because we need to talk offline. But even to our audience, like she really dropped a lot of gems just in that one response. So make sure y'all wind it back, take your notes because, know,
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When you listen, the fruit is supplied and I can appreciate that. and unite you know, it's really important right now because there are a lot of people who are losing their jobs.
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Yes. OK. And what I want to say to anyone who is listening right now is to. Remove the most notion from your mind that life is happening to you.
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Life is actually happening for you.
Gratitude as a Tool for Growth
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The good and the bad. It's happening for you. But it's what you do with what happens in your life that makes the difference. so Message. You've lost a job. You know what?
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That wasn't the job that you were meant to be in for a lifetime anyway. And it's time. so what's next? What's next? I love it. Thank you for that. Okay.
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Let's discuss resilience and process at this point. What keeps you in the game when things aren't going smoothly?
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going to be real honest here again because it's you. i am a very well-loved woman. Yeah. Agreed. i am and And when I talk about well-loved, well-love begins with self-love.
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Yes. I know that when when God made me, mistakes were not made. I was made to be exactly who I am. Who you are today. I love it. A husband that I have, I prayed and asked for said, please choose my husband.
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And that's a beautiful story for another time. It is. Y'all, I i am poking the bear to get this book. They have been married for over 25 years and it is beautiful to watch them. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 43 years. I'm sorry. 43 years. 43 years. Yeah.
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Y'all, do you hear this? Okay, I'm sorry. and I keep interrupting you. Look, I like that she said 25 because that makes me younger. but i mean, absolutely. Y'all, she is fabulous. Like, this is the cousin that you're just like, oh, I just love her energy. Like, I'm so excited that y'all get to share in this experience with me. Yeah.
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So, so not Not all women can say that the person who they have accepted to be their partner, their spouse, whatever their relationship happens to be, that they feel cherished.
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Yeah. But I feel cherished by my husband. Yes. when you wake up every single day of your life knowing that you are cherished by God and you are cherished by the person who is your person.
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Yes. um It gives you a certain strength to be able to do what you need to do because at the beginning of the day,
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in the middle of the day and at the end of the day, the energy of love is what drives you. And if you allow that energy to drive you, then the path that you walk will be a path not completely smooth of obstacles and you know challenges.
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But doable. But doable. But doable. Yeah. Oh my goodness. I think this might be one of my favorite episodes. at the Hanging out with Dr. E, this might be one of my favorite.
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It is so funny to me that we have not had this conversation previously, but it's divine timing. And I'm grateful for this because clearly it needed to happen on the open stage.
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But I am just, I am filled with gratitude right now. Thank I'm going to keep saying thank you because, you know, i feel as though gratitude is one of the greatest gifts next to love and attention that you can give.
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yeah had another. So it's, it's ingrained in who I am to always give thanks, not to mention it multiplies out, but I just, I am so grateful for you and I will keep saying it. So it will probably get on your nerves. It won't, but it may probably.
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No, you know, but you're espousing something that's really important because gratitude is You know, it's a virtue and it is a quality that if you truly understand the power of gratitude, who you actually have to be grateful for some of the bad things that happen in life because they yeah move you off that dime that you were stuck on.
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You know, they get you out of a bad situation that you might have been in. They move you to a higher level. They take you out of survival consciousness into and elevated consciousness of being able to really find and bring your authentic self into the world.
Spotlight to Service: A Personal Journey
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So yes gratitude. Yeah. So glad that's a big part of who you are. Look, I've had some great teachers let let's it with with you being included. i have had some great role models and some great people to watch and observe in my lifetime. And I'm grateful. So, which is why I've created this podcast, because I want to share my my network with the people. Like, it's funny.
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I was talking to my mom and then I'll get back into the questions. I was talking to my mom and this first season is about all black doctors. Yeah. And it came up because I was talking to someone else and they were like, yeah, my child has a black dentist. And I was just like, I've only ever had black dentists.
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And they looked at me perplexed. And I was just like, wait, let me, let me walk this back because I'm realizing that my existence is not everyone else's experience. And, and what is normal to me? I know doctors for days. Like my family's full of them. I have you, there's Jean, who's her husband, you guys.
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um and And so many more. And I started making the list for who I was going to talk to. And that list just kept going and going and going. and I was just like, we need to share these stories behind the letters because outsiders looking in when they see PhD or, or cleanse ID or JD, when they see those, they just see the letters without recognizing the person and the process that goes behind it. So I,
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Sorry, long story short, everyone. I just wanted to to show how this is this is multiplying out and magnifying. So thank you. and i love it. Let's talk about application.
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and and takeaways that our audience can can grab. Granted, you've given a plethora of, we could end this right now and they have been fed the daily bread, okay? But we're gonna keep going.
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Let's talk about a few lessons for others. What's one mindset shift or practice that has helped you succeed?
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The practice that has helped me, i think more than anything else in life is that but whenever feel stressed or like I really have a lot on my plate or I have so much to do and I really need to hurry up, it's been to do the opposite.
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It's been to slow down. So whenever I feel myself moving into like today, I have four podcasts, you know, and last night I was, you know, preparing for each thing and getting ready.
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And I took a deep breath and I thought, OK, just slow down. And I did. And I got still and I got quiet.
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And I just listened for that still small voice to guide the process of preparation for me. Because when we just try to push through, then the end result is something that is rushed.
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And it's something that has the energy of being rushed, you know, not being deeply thought out or not really being attended to.
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But when we slow down and we recognize that, for one thing, I'm sure you've experienced this, as have some of your listeners. But, you know, if you start your day,
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with gratitude, with prayer, you put your feet on the floor and you start out in a space of calm and peace and trusting that your steps are going to be ordered, then that day will roll out as it is intended to go.
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Even if there are some challenges there. Yes. It is the overwhelm, the giving in to the tension, the giving in to the hectic pace of the world that does not serve does not sure you as an individual.
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And it does not serve the world because what you're putting out is nervous energy. ah Not loving energy. It's not informative or instructive energy. It's an energy of your own tension and worry and anxiety.
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And that's not what you're trying to do. So I would say more pressure you're under, the more you need to slow down, become intentional, ask for, i have ah what I call my, my, uh, supernatural board of directors.
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I like the way you worded that. It's okay. You know, y'all know I've got a day ahead of me, so I need you with me today. and do you have any any messages, tell me now so that I know how to proceed with my day. Right.
00:27:51
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And, you know, just remembering that we can call in that help. And we don't have we're never alone. We don't do anything alone.
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So right. Yeah. I love that. While you were talking, it made me think of when you brought up nervous energy, it made me think of static. And how uncomfortable and disarming static can be.
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And when you get static, one of the, once you realize what it is, one of the first motions or actions I believe to be would be turn it off. And readjust.
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So I love how you were able to articulate it and then also paint a whole picture in my brain to so that I could visualize it. So thank you for helping me understand, understand, we'll say understand that ah that point.
00:28:48
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Next question, the process. Actually, did I just, I just asked you how, how your thinking has evolved. Is that what I just asked you? No. Oh, the process. So how has, from, from being the beautiful 10 year old, you know, uh, self-starter and, and, and showcase display to being still on display, but being this beautiful being of light, how has that, what has that shift been like? How have you evolved from,
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being the 10-year-old to being the beautiful person you are even larger now?
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You know, I haven't given that a lot of thought. So let me take a moment and wait for the answer to come through me.
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i love that. I'm so grateful for your truth and your ability to to curve necessarily. like that That's a skill set in itself. it you know it's um
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i think the the evolution for me has been not just keeping my eyes on myself.
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oh um it's It is keeping my eyes on the the way forward that is always provided for me. And the the evolution has had a lot to do with recognizing that no matter where I went, no matter where I moved,
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um And like I said, you know, Jean spent 26 years in the military, so you can imagine how many moves we've made. But in every place that I've ever gone, people who are marginalized and suffering always appeared front and center ah for me, you know.
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And
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I've never ignored that. I believe that even if I walk out the door today and I pass a homeless person hu and, you know, as as a psychotherapist, I do tell people, be mindful of how you help a homeless person. It's not always about giving them money, you know.
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Sometimes when you look at them, you recognize that person needs a meal. And it's not handing them the money. It's actually looking around where's the closest place that you can take them and feed them and listen to their story.
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Oh, that's a big one. Really important. and not everybody wants to do that. and and i And I will say, you know, be mindful, keep yourself safe. Sometimes people who are homeless are in and we call them now unhoused.
00:31:52
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They also are carrying a mental disability or mental illness of some form. But just taking the time to help that person feel and know that they are human, part of humanity, and that they are loved.
00:32:16
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Yes. And in my evolution from the 10-year-old little girl who was put in the spotlight to being where I am now and still being in a spotlight, I feel like what I've learned to do is use that spotlight to find the people that need the care the most and to help other people recognize we're all connected and we're all responsible for each other.
00:32:49
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Yes. The homeless person that crossed my path could have crossed someone else's, but they crossed mine. So on that day, they are my responsibility.
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Okay. so you know, that's the way the evolution of my thinking about what I do and the way I move in the world, that's the way it goes.
Building Global Sisterhood
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If someone who is hurting, if a community is struggling, we lived in El Paso, Texas for a long time. There weren't a lot of African Americans there, but there were an awful lot of Mexican people who were struggling and hurting. Okay.
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I worked with, you know, that the young teenagers, taught them how to do their resumes, taught them how to get jobs, how to do an interview, i actually drove a school bus that I managed to get somebody to donate because they live in horrible little areas. And when I got through with them at the end of the day, i didn't want them to have to walk home.
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I opened a runaway shelter in El Paso, Texas. Wow. You know, so it's like, okay, God put this really bright light in front of me and inside of me.
00:34:09
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What am I going to do with it? Right. That's the evolution has been when the light shines on someone that's for you to go into a deeper inquiry as to what is my purpose here with this person, with this community, you know with this cause.
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I love that. i i love that when I first asked the question, for you you keep speaking and then I get an image in my head of what it could have been. And then I realized that's not what it was, but it still could have been. So while you were speaking and you were saying,
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you always saw those that you would help front and center. In my mind, it literally was like, say you're on stage and you're speaking, say it's a TED talk and you're on stage and you're speaking. And then the people that you need to help are front and center when in actuality, and I could be wrong, correct me if I am wrong.
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In actuality, even though that's where my brain went, what happened is that you are on, so when you're on stage, and of course we're talking metaphorically, but when you're on stage, the light is brightest for those that you see those brightest that you are attracted to, that you are led to assist.
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And that becomes center stage to you, even though this person could be in the back of the annex or could be off to the side or could be, you know, taking the garbage out. And you just have that sense of knowing like that is someone I need to touch base with.
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But it seems front and center to you. Am I right? You are right. And you're, you are, You are right not only metaphorically, but you are right literally because when I am on stage and there there will be, you know,
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hundreds of people in the room. That's beautiful. It's not a rare occurrence that there will be, you know, several people who, after I finish speaking some way, somehow they will find me.
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will find them. And it may not be right after I speak. It may be a day later if it's at a conference. And then they'll run into me and they'll say, I, you know, I just enjoyed listening to you yesterday. And then they'll tell me their story.
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And then there will be something that I'm intended to share with them. so you know, I tell people all the time, you know, that that little thing we learn from scripture about don't hide your light.
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You know, absolutely let that light shine because the people who need to find you will find you and the people who need to see you will see you and you will share your light with them so that they can also not only feel seen and heard, but actually be seen and heard.
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And that's so important. That's all anyone really wants. That's true. I love that. Oh my gosh, you're such a beautiful being. I love it. Jean, you did a great job.
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Actually, God, thank you. To the creator, thank you for bringing her forth and bringing her into my family because I'm just so grateful. The Egerton-Edgerton family is phenomenal. you know Absolutely phenomenal. I mean, there's...
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I've never seen anything quite like it. Wow. Look at what I do in the world. and that's That's massively surprising. yeah This family is amazing.
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Yeah. oh Look, look we we got it like that. We we are so grateful. with Granted, we can't take the credit, but we are so grateful. So what's next for you? What, what, how can, how can our audiences support you? What do you have in the works? I know there's a book launching or it's, it's out there and it might even already be a bestseller, but what, how can we, how can we support you?
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yeah You know, there's, okay, so there's there's the the literal way of supporting me, which is following me or enrolling in the programs and the courses and things that I teach.
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But really, the way that people can most
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support me, and I'm speaking specifically to Black women and the men, non-binary among us, who love us, to understand that sisterhood is powerful.
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And what I want every Black woman who's listening to this and every ally advocate who may not be a person of color to understand is that particularly for women, the time has come for us to recognize how important it is for us to stand together.
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And so what's my big mission now is bringing women together, bringing black women together in solidarity, bringing women of color generally together in solidarity, getting our white allies or advocates to understand that as black women, we have worked really hard for everything that we have ever gotten.
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Nothing came free. Nothing came without a battle. yeah um And it's I don't mince my words. You know, I believe that when people hear the truth, they can hear it and they can accept it or they can reject it.
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But when you have to navigate a world where the color of your skin is considered to be what gives you entry and access or not, that's a very, very different world than never having that question.
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yeah So coming together and creating a sisterhood of women, of all women, that's my dream.
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okay I want black women to get it together as we have done such a magnificent job of doing. We are the most educated demographic in the United States of America.
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Black women. And I want to say that because not everybody knows that. Okay. And also being aware of what happens when women come together and want to make something happen.
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We get it done. We do. We get it done. We do. So supporting me means looking at the woman next to you and instead of tearing her down or gossiping about her or finding something about her that you don't like and you want to complain about, taking the time to hear her story so that you don't harbor ill feelings towards her in your heart.
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It's opening our hearts to one another. And if we open our hearts and you hurt us, then okay, lesson learned.
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Forgiveness is something that we all have to work on and we have to do that. But not closing your heart off again because it happened to you once and you're never going to open your heart again.
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Right. You know, so supporting me means supporting a sisterhood, global sisterhood. When I say to you that I have daughters and, you know, and, and college all around the world.
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Right. i have Literally. Literally. Literally. And it is the most beautiful thing in the world when I bring them all together. So if you go to my website, DeborahEggerton.com,
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you can always see or enroll. and You can enroll for my newsletter. And that way you always know where I am. There you go. And boom. can ease out And I'll make sure all that information is in the description of this episode so y'all can y'all can easily access her because she is a beautiful person and and she will be a guiding light in any direction that you're looking to travel. So i I love... oh my gosh, I'm just so grateful that you were able to join us today and to shed so much light, no pun intended, on on several different elements and aspects of how we can better ourselves. even going back you You actually brought it full circle with the last thing you said when I asked, how do you take care of yourself? And it goes back to
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you make you're loved, but you make sure that you love you in addition to allowing other people around you to love. So saying that there is a call to action for women to not only reach out and help another sister out, but you have to actually pour into yourself too. You have to invest in yourself. That's the underlining the silver lining or the gold layer of of this conversation. It's really difficult to love someone else if you haven't even recognized the love for yourself. So i i I hope we're on the same page on the same book right now. We are absolutely. You cannot give what you don't have.
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you know And if you have no love for yourself, then you're just going through the motions with other people. so Oh, my goodness. Get real intimate and fall wildly and madly in love with yourself because you were created from love. You are nothing but love.
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And, you know, right there is a a a perfection that is so profound. with All of these negative narratives that you people run in their heads, let them go. They don't serve you.
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Whatever no longer serves you for your good, for your love in the world, let it go. Let it go. I love it. Is there anything I would normally ask, what is one thing that people don't know about you, but I feel like you opened with that.
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Very true. I did. but i feel like you open with that. So there's there's no need to to expound on that. But is there anything that I didn't cover that we need to alert the audience to let them? What what is is there anything that we did not cover that you would like to put on the table?
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I think the only thing, and we covered it a little bit, is i i just want people to calm down a little bit.
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You know, fear, anxiety, worry, they really don't accomplish very much except to pair up your nervous system.
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And so particularly people as a black woman, I am saying to other black women and other women of color and every woman who will listen and to all the men who love us, who also listen to us, right we have to become intentional.
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We have to not become like people that we see whose actions right now we may judge as harmful.
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our our Our job is not to judge it. Our job is really to look at how do we move in what may feel like a world on fire? And how do we move effectively?
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yes One of the things that I'm doing is I'm writing handwriting letters to every woman that I know, and I'm saying, you know, I know this is a difficult time, but if we come together, if we stand together sisters in love, nothing can harm us.
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We will move forward together and we will be invincible. And I love you, my sister. Calm your nervous system, rest, let the dust settle.
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And then let's wait for God to give us our marching orders. I am here for the Happy Meal. Yeah. I am here for the happy mail. so many that That is a whole nother conversation in itself. But that that is beautiful that you have you are are plucking on the fact that this is a an extension of me through my words. It is an extension of my time because I'm taking the time to handwrite you a note as well as throw it through, throw it put it in the mail, snail mail. and And then someone actually gets to enjoy the opportunity of of opening up this package of love.
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Bless you. Yeah. And it has energy, you know, it does energy. It has my energy in it when I send it and they can keep it, you know, they can hold on to it.
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We, we don't, we don't do that anymore. You know, we email them. We delete it. But I want, yeah and I tell them buy some beautiful stationary, except not on February 28th, but buy some beautiful stationary.
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and Handwrite a letter of love, a love letter to people particularly that you know are spinning out and just say with you, just be still, know that God is God and that all of this is in divine order and that our actions need to be intentional.
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They need to be based in love yes and strength because love is strength. yes so That's what I would share with, you know, particularly anyone whose heart is breaking right now.
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I love it. And I love that you have shared that with our audience. To the great people, I hope that you have just learned massively because I have absorbed quite a bit.
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i feel the energy coming through the speakers right now. i am i can see her face. So I also have that that level of of love emanating from my screen. So I'm just grateful that we had a chance to have this conversation. And I hope that you were able to take away, even even if it's a fraction of what I have have received today,
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Dr. E, I'm so grateful for your time. Thank you for joining this episode. Give your family and your team my love because I am grateful for for them. They work like clockwork.
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But yes, to the great people, receive, receive, receive, reflect, reflect, reflect, take time for yourself and and because you deserve it and you were created to do great things.
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This has been another episode of The Greatness Router, and I hope that you have a beautiful, beautiful day.
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And that's a wrap on this episode of The Greatness Router. If you found some value in today's conversation, be sure to subscribe, rate, and definitely share. It helps more people connect to the journey of greatness.
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Until next time, keep moving with purpose.