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BOOM! - Episode 1
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Greetings and welcome to the first ever episode of “The Struggling Archaeologist’s Guide to Getting Dirty!”
Hey there, I’m Jenny, and I’m pretty excited to introduce people to the world of archaeology. In fact, I’m so excited that I have decided to bring joy and knowledge into the lives of people everywhere by providing them with this podcast. My podcast. Sure, you’re thinking- who is this girl and why does she think she’s so special? Well folks, I’m not really that special, I’m just a regular girl with a love of the past and a microphone. I’ve also noticed that there aren’t a lot of places that people like me can go for advice and information on getting somewhere in the field while we’re still developing our academic muscles. News programs like existing podcasts and websites can often offer a great variety of news stories from around the world, but where’s the debate behind them? And where are the stories about what students and shovelbums are doing out there right now? I think I can help provide a place where anyone can get in on the story, can get their questions about how things work out there answered, and can enjoy in not only the grandeur of the greatest finds but the overlooked ones as well. I’ll have help from friends and professionals out there, and together we should start talking about getting ahead in academia- on a thesis- on a job application- or just ahead in general. I’m pretty funny, and I sing too. So there’s that.
In this introductory episode entitled “BOOM!” I introduce myself and explain why my podcast is awesome. There’s also a discussion on several news stories making waves in the archaeology world, such as the question of neanderthal cloning (I have some major doubts on this venture, though it’s not like a decade from now there will be a new sitcom called “The Neanderthals next door” or anything, come on people- it’s not happening any time soon!). There’s also something about a Roman skeleton with a calcified ovarian tumor which I promise you is NOT gross or anything (lying), and for the history and literature lovers out there (like me!) there’s a tribute to the 200th anniversary of Jane Austen’s Pride & Prejudice. Also, from the world of CRM there’s a bit about shovelbumming and my latest job down in the incredibly stinky and prickly hills of Southern New Mexico. Then I talk about other stuff and lecture you on proper tipping. So, you know, lots of really earth shattering stuff in this episode, so I recommend you check it out! I would love to hear feedback, questions, and comments at[email protected]
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Overview
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Hello, hello! My name is Jenny and welcome to the first ever episode
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of the struggling archaeologists' guide to getting dirty.
Challenges in Archaeology
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I will be your emcee and archaeo gal next door for this adventure. This is a podcast for people involved or interested in the world of anthropology, archaeology, history, anything from the sensational to the everyday.
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Podcasts about the news and top stories of the day are great. I mean, I love them, but I also wanted to give listeners a fresh perspective on what it's like being young in the field, about working on a career, trying to get through school, trying to get a job and just figuring it all out in general. Being a young professional can be daunting. It's hard. The pressure can make you feel like you can't be honest about what's going on out there and what you're really thinking or what you really want. And in the highly competitive field,
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We find ourselves in people like myself who weren't born in the know can get lost in the shuffle and miss out on the opportunity to succeed in this rewarding career. So what do you want to know? I guarantee you you or I or someone else has struggled with the same questions. Why not provide a place for those of us who are still figuring it out to figure it out together with the help and guidance
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of professionals and peers, I want to talk about what's going on in the world in the lives of regular Joes just trying to get through field school, from academia to the job market, from the ancient world to the cell tower survey. No topic is too big and no query too small. So let's get down to it and start getting dirty.
Personal Background and Interests
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First about myself, I am from New York, Albany, New York, to be specific.
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But I also lived in Oswego, where I attended the State University of New York at Oswego. I also lived in New York City for several years. I genuinely want to do about 10,000 different things on a yearly basis, which is why I think I might be considered a Renaissance woman if I could actually do any of them well. But except for my current academic and archaeological pursuits, I'm afraid that alas, I cannot
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I played the piano, the guitar, and the violin all badly. I speak just enough French to figure out what the tourists at my restaurant want to eat and drink, but not enough to discuss Impressionist art, or how much I loved the movie Amelie. I've tried learning Greek and Italian, but probably couldn't tell you how to say my name, although I do remember my favorite Italian words were scrambled eggs and a pair of shoes, which are a huevos trabecera and a paio de scarpe, by the way.
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I have written three chapters in a young adult historical fiction novel, which judging by the four years it took me to do that should be out around 2035. I've also studied tap, jazz, ballet, and modern dance, and I still look like Gumby when I pirouette, and I'm not bitter about that at all. I have a degree and over 15 years of experience in theater.
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Which is probably why I am the best waiter slash bartender at my local Red Lobster. And I went back to school at the age of 26 to chase this crazy dream I'd had about teaching people history since I was old enough to correct my 7th grade history teacher about the causes of the Civil War in front of the entire class. I do a lot of things badly, but I am damn good at history!
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When I went back to school, I thought about what I wanted to do with my love of history, and I knew that I wanted to make our own history, that of our ancestors, matter to people. I wanted to understand how the many differing peoples and cultures of the world developed, what made them similar and what made them different. I wanted to know how we know what we think we know about ancient people, about the pyramids, about everything. That, my friends, is why I wanted to be an archaeologist.
Cloning Neanderthals: Possibilities and Ethics
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That, and I also like Indiana Jones.
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But I figured the days of Nazi motorcycle chases were probably over, so I'd better find out what archaeologists are actually doing nowadays. So I've been studying anthropology, which is the general discipline that archaeology and the other subdisciplines of cultural anthropology, physical anthropology, and linguistics fall under for about five years now. I have just finished the coursework for my master's degree. Hallelujah! And I'm now trapped in the endless hell which is thesis writing.
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I'm also doing some lab work and research for a local university and working the odd CRM job to keep myself honest. During this podcast, I will promise to be as honest as possible and do as little resume padding as I can without sounding like a total novice. I actually do have a good deal of experience in field and laboratory work as well as museums, and I am a professional collegiate paper-turner-outer, so whatever knowledge I don't know off the bat, I can always BS for a good 10 minutes while I Google the real answer.
00:05:36
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Just kidding, I use Wikipedia. No really. Kidding. I will try to be as helpful as possible and turn to more experienced friends and colleagues when needed. I think I really just want to have a more honest discussion. With that being said, I wouldn't want the entire episode to go by without getting to show off how smart I am, she says, in a wry and obviously sarcastic tone. So let's get to some stories about things that people who are interested in cool stuff might care about.
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And now is the part of the show where I come up with a random jingle for the next segment. And the next segment is... News and goings on from around the spheroid. Alright.
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Now that we've gotten to know each other, let's talk about some news-type stuff. I've been looking at the news the last few weeks trying to figure out what I wanted to talk about on the show, and it turns out that I have repeatedly been attracted to stories that I find either hilarious, disgusting, or completely random.
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Of course there will be some serious stuff within the ridiculous, but if you want coverage of every single thing happening on the other end of a trowel from around the entire world, I would recommend checking out some of the more dedicated news programs and websites out there. I get to pick and choose because I am the host, and those are the rules that I just made up. So let's start with everyone's favorite red-headed hominid, the Neanderthal! First off,
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Neanderthal or Neanderthal, whatever your fancy, what we're referring to here is a hominid considered sort of a cousin to our own species. Since we are so closely related but not descendants of the Neanderthal, we most likely shared an ancestor somewhere between 500,000 and 200,000 years ago.
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Neanderthals are considered an archaic Homo sapiens subspecies, which is why they are technically called Homo sapiens Neanderthalensis by many, while the other archaic Homo sapiens eventually became us, the Homo sapiens sapiens, if you will. Confused? Well, then you can always jump on the splitters bandwagon and consider them a separate species of the Homo hominids, which some do, in which case they're just plain old Homo Neanderthalensis.
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They likely evolved sometime between 200 and 130,000 years ago and inhabited parts of Europe and Southwest Asia. Homo heidelbergensis is most often credited as their predecessor, as well as our branch of the Homo sapiens.
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Although there is some debate about whether Heidelberg-Genzies consisted of a European branch which led to Neanderthals, and an African branch called Rodizienzies which led to Homo sapiens, or if Rodizienzies was another species which should receive ancestry credits for the Neanderthal instead of those blasted Heidelberg-Genzies punks. Ugh, the whole thing is exhausting. And don't even get me started on Homo reactus, there is no bloody time for that today.
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For we are focused on the Neanderthal. And why are we focused on the Neanderthal, you ask? Well, because there has been quite a stir caused in the scientific community by the supposed suggestion by Harvard geneticist George Church that our knowledge of the Neanderthal genome is near the point that with just one adventurous woman volunteer, we could actually clone a Neanderthal baby.
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Yeah, the story was widely reported and scoffed at after an interview Church gave to a magazine in Germany concerning his new book, Regenesis, How Synthetic Biology Will Reinvent Nature and Ourselves. Yeah, the idea of human cloning is controversial at the best of times, but when an extinct species is concerned, the Jurassic Park memes seem to come out of the woodwork. I can just hear Ian Malcolm ranting in my ears right now.
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Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could do it that they didn't stop to think that they should. That end. Must go faster. But anyway, the problem with all the fuss is that Church never actually suggested that we go ahead and pump some lady up with Neanderthal juice. He clarified later on that he had absolutely no plans whatsoever to go ahead with such a project. I think the point was that now that we have such a wealth of knowledge about the Neanderthal genome, we have to start asking questions about what we're going to do with it.
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Sometimes it's science's job to push the boundaries a bit and perhaps to start testing out new hypotheses through genetic manipulation as in this case. Of course when it comes to experimentation on living beings you have to not only ask what you can do but also what you should and shouldn't do.
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And believe it or not, the people doing this kind of science spend a lot of time considering ethical issues, so I highly doubt an experiment like this, which would most likely produce an unknown number of failed attempts before producing a living Neanderthal, would be given the green light any time soon. But from what I understand, the process would be centered around taking a modern human's DNA and manipulating it to match that of a Neanderthal's.
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Since we have such a common ancestor, our DNA is said to be between 99.5 and 99.9% identical. And Church is positing that mapping and defecting the changes that do exist between them could possibly be used to turn the DNA of one into the DNA of the other. This imposter Neanderthal DNA could then be used to create a living example of the Neanderthal, even though they've been extinct for the last 27,000 years.
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From this living being, we can learn things that are hard to extract from DNA alone. For instance, researchers at the Max Planck Institute have identified that the FOXP2 gene known to affect language characteristics in humans is also evident in the Neanderthal genome. Now this gene is also found in modern great apes like the chimpanzee, but it's a more ancestral form of the gene which has not undergone the same changes as our own.
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Although the Neanderthal was expected to share the ancestral form of the gene, in reality, it seems to share the more modern version with us. So this raises interesting questions as to their ability to develop language, and along with morphological differences between them and us, it's still not clear whether or not they did or could use language in the same manner as modern humans. Of course, there are many other things we could learn from seeing how the genes we see in the Neanderthal were expressed,
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such as comprehension and learning abilities, and I think social tendencies would be very interesting to see. But there are also many unknowns to take into account, like how many discrete aspects of our genetic makeup would have fetched the Neanderthal designed from it. I wonder, especially if the baby is somehow gestationally carried by a female, what effect epigenetics would have? Whether some of the mother's physical condition could influence the expression or development of certain genetic components of the baby?
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Or if it'll turn out like the frog DNA in Jurassic Park, and there will be some crazy aspect overlooked that changes everything. And of course, if the child, or children, since I think Church said he wouldn't want to create one lonely Neanderthal, if they survived, how would they react to a world that their genes aren't prepared for? Physically and mentally, without the cultural context that their ancestors would have provided for them, how can we truly judge their existence in our world?
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I mean, the little guy or gal isn't just going to pop out of the womb and bust out some lavalois, nap some scrapers and bifaces for the crowd of lab coats and TV cameras, right? And come on, the Neanderthals were short, stout, and hairy. They had large, protuberant noses and brows and no chins. Can you imagine what would have happened to those kids in school?
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and they are now largely believed to have been gingers. So let them deal with that. The Harry Potter jokes alone would be too much. But seriously folks, don't get me started on Harry Potter because I love him. I'm not gonna let our age difference get in the way. Anyway, we would love to hear your comments on today's show folks and
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Questions, concerns, thoughts, anything at all, you just send them right over to us. The show's email address is guidedtogettingdirtyatgmail.com. You can of course also find all relevant information on my website.
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www.jennifermcniven.com. Oh, and if you're interested in a laugh, or at least I thought this was funny, check out the nature.com article on Neanderthal by Julien Mongere. I think it was put up recently. There is a funny picture of a Neanderthal recreation that's sitting and doing the thinker pose. It seems to be thinking
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rather in depth about something. I'm not exactly sure what, but I'd like to know. I'd like to be in its mind and see what it's thinking about, because it looks really intense. Anyway, that's all I have to say about Neanderthals.
Unusual Archaeological Discoveries
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Okay, and on to our next segment, which is called other stuff that's cool too, or other stuff that is cool too, if you are really into my jingles.
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Okay, so this is a story. I read it on archaeological.org, but it's also being featured on many others. It kind of freaked me out a little bit. It's about a Roman-era skeleton of a woman excavated in 2010 among a bunch of graves in La Fogonusa, Spain, by the Universitat or the... I don't know how many say that word. Autinoma. Autinoma de Barcelona.
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There it is. I'm not saying that again. Anyway, they revealed in this skeleton the remains of a calcified ovarian teratoma, or tumor with icky stuff in it, still in the woman's pelvis. Yeah, the woman died in the fifth century BC between the ages of 30 and 40, and not necessarily from the tumor, but interestingly, tests confirmed that inside the tumor
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There were four teeth and a small piece of bone. Now this is a pretty weird thing to find in a skeleton, so naturally the community is morosely fascinated with the whole thing. And I guess it turns out, you know, these type of tumors are more common than you think. They're often formed from organic materials hanging out somewhere in your body they aren't supposed to be, so they can have tissue, hair, and bone inside of them. Gross.
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Now I'm going to be forever wondering if there's a strange failed twin tumor lurking somewhere inside me. Happy thoughts.
Cultural and Historical Reflections
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I would also like to give a shout out to the 200th anniversary of my girl, Jane Austen's masterpiece, Pride and Prejudice, which was published on, I believe, the 28th of January, 1813. As an Austenophile, Pride and Prejudice is obviously one of my favorite books
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and along with the rest of her works inspired me to start writing and do creative things like sing and dance and talk like an idiot by myself in front of my computer for people like you. Her most famous work, Pride and Prejudice, was originally written between 1796 and 1797 when she was around the age of about 2021, although at the time the book was actually called First Impressions. Austin revised it between 1811 and 1812 and changed the name
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so as to one-up sense and sensibility with something with a little bit more pizzazz. To celebrate the anniversary, an exhibit surrounding the writing and publication of the novel has been launched at the Jane Austen House Museum at her final residence in Schotten, Hampshire. Unfortunately, the house, or rectory rather, where Jane actually wrote most of the novel in Steventon, Hampshire, no longer exists.
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Except for a tree her brother planted in its place. Aww. If you're planning a trip to England any time soon and fancy more of the Jane Austen experience, I would also recommend visiting her one-time home and now museum in Bath. Or bath. Or bath. One, because it's more Jane Austen stuff and who doesn't love bath. And two, because bath is amazing.
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and anyone who has read her works should have the experience of seeing what she so often described and complained about in person. Okay, Austin Hour is over for today, but perhaps you should take a break from the endless scholarly reviews and journal articles and pick up an oldie but goodie. Mr. Darcy is waiting. Hello?
Cultural Resource Management (CRM) Archaeology
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Okay, now it's time to move on to things that normal people do, or
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things that normal people do. Now that we've talked about some crazy interesting things that are going on in the world, let's see what boring old everyday archaeologists are doing. For those of you not too familiar with the job market for these types, while the most well-known archaeologists like Mr. Jones work in museums and universities, the majority of them and most non-PhD types work in CRM or cultural resource management.
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You might have also heard it called compliance archaeology. You can work for a CRM company or be hired out for jobs wherever you can find them through these companies. Most people do this and are lovingly referred to as shovelbumps. And you can start shovelbumbing early in your career. There's actually a lot of people who do it for a while in between their bachelor's and master's degrees, or they just hop around for 10 years while they build themselves up in the field. That happens too.
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The jobs mostly come from the proposal of building projects, which must comply with federal laws stemming from the National Historic Preservation Act of 1966 to make sure that there won't be destroying anything cultural. The land is surveyed, and if the site is found, if they determine there's a site, then it's excavated. There's reports written, and blah, blah, blah, and all that. I won't bore you with it. Just remember that on any given day, when some university in Europe is
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excavating perfectly preserved frescoes from Pompeii or gladiators' graves from Rome, there's also a bunch of smelly shovel bums roaming the cow poop-covered, pricker-infested plains of the middle of nowhere America. Eyes peeled to the ground, waiting to find another overlooked piece of history before it can be turned into a parking lot. I just got back from an oddly similar sounding job in the boondocks of southern New Mexico and, ironically,
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I spent two days out in the middle of nowhere surveying and complaining to myself about how there was no cell service when I was there to survey the locations of three proposed cell tower sites for my own carry. I mean, duh, of course there's no service yet. Anyway.
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I'd love to hear stories about CRM adventures from all of you. Feel free to email me at guidetogettingdirty at gmail.com and we can feature CRM stories on every episode. Wouldn't that be fun? Okay, I have to sidetrack for a second because I have three dogs. They're kind of crazy. And two of them have just crawled underneath my couch and I can see their little beady eyes staring up at me from underneath the cushions.
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And my third dog, Lucy, has just, I don't know, she's like entrapped my leg in some type of claw, like her front legs have turned into claws and she has trapped my leg and she's trying to eat my foot at the moment. You know, usually they try to eat their own feet, quite regularly actually, but today she has decided to eat mine. And it just strikes me as funny, like they're all misfits. I have a pointer who's like perfect, she's kind of,
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a prim, perfect dog, but the other two are kind of, you know, misfits. It makes me think about if anyone's ever worked on a site before with, I always feel like the archaeologists on projects, like especially university or museum projects, they're these old guys and they're like really experienced and weathered and wizened and other W words and they, you know, they're like out at the site running things and they always have this old trusty dog
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they bring with them and their dogs like, you know, never is like a perfect field dog. They just run around and they don't ever bother anyone. And it doesn't matter if there's no borders or boundaries, the dogs will go anywhere. They're just going to do their thing, run around. No problem. But my dogs would never, ever be like that. I would love to bring my dog. I want to have field dogs, you know, scruffy dogs, no particular breed, just
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just scruffy you know scrappy mutts you can put in the back of a truck and bring to the field and they'll just run around and not bother you and just be cute and fun but my dogs would be a pain in the ass sorry they're looking at me like I just I don't know sorry but you would be anyway I had to
00:23:41
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I had to talk about my dogs for a minute. They're kind of like ever present in my life, especially right now in this room while I'm recording this. They've been watching me. My dogs slide, just yawn. Apparently, I'm boring. Sorry. I hope I'm not boring you. I'm boring my dogs. And I'm going to stop talking about them right now. Thanks. And moving away from the riveting dog yawning conversation, I'm going to start, you know,
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ending things I think sometime soon.
Pursuing an Archaeology Career
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But I was just thinking about some other things we could talk about on the show, things I might want to hear about from viewers. And I looked over and I saw the books that I'm reading right now. And I thought, you know, it'd be great to hear about what you guys are reading as far as, you know, for fun. I like literature. You like literature, I'm sure. Comic books, I don't know, something.
00:24:34
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So that'd be cool. Also, you know, research you're doing and projects you're working on and great reads you've found in the scholarly community. I currently am researching for my thesis. So I'm reading a book called The Archaeology of Slavery and Plantation Life by Teresa A. Singleton. At least it's edited by, sorry, edited by Teresa Singleton. There are a bunch of articles in here, of course, by other authors. But it's an awesome book.
00:25:03
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If you're into slavery, I mean, into slave archaeology, I should say. Don't want to get anybody in trouble there. My thesis is actually on a slave site, so I'm doing a lot of research into anthropological and archaeological theory and method having to do with plantations and slave life. So I would definitely recommend this one. It's a good read.
00:25:28
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I'm pretty much got books on slavery coming out of my ears right now, but I'm still enjoying it, so that's something. Anyway, you can write to me with comments or recommendations for reading, books, thoughts, anything like that. I'd love to hear it. I'd love to hear from you, the listener. I would love to hear what you're thinking and what you're doing right now. I'd love to talk about it on the show, so get in touch. I am always listening.
00:25:57
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Like always. I'm always here. Waiting. Which brings me to our next subject. Waiting. You like that segue? I know. Anyway, waiting. Waiting for what? Uh, you know, people in their careers do a lot of waiting, which is something I did a lot of. I waited to figure out what I wanted to do with myself after, you know, moving to New York City and working on my other career in the theater.
00:26:27
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But I waited a long time to make the decision to go into archaeology. And then I waited a long time to start grad school. And I waited a long time, you know, it's, you keep pushing yourself further, further back. And before you know it, you're my age and I'm not going to tell you what age that is, but you're a little bit behind in the field and you'd like to be a PhD by now, but you're not. And so just some friendly advice to all of you out there. If you're still young in the field and you're trying to
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figure out what your plans are and what your future goals are. I recommend that you go to school. I don't care where you go. Go to a school. Go to college. College is good. College is great. Learning is great. Go and work really hard and learn as much as you can.
00:27:17
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get a bachelor's and maybe take a break to do a little bit of work. But if you've got your sights set on working in a university somewhere or maybe in a museum in the upper echelons, if you want to teach, if you want to be in academia, if you want to be a professor, you can't stop there. And don't wait too long. You have to go to school to get your master's. You have to get a PhD. It takes a lot of time and a lot of effort.
00:27:47
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that things get in the way. I mean, I know I got, you know, a family and got my dogs. I got a lot of stuff going on that gets in the way of me working sometimes, unfortunately. And if I was, you know, a young spry 22 year old again, then I perhaps wouldn't have some of those issues. And I'd be able to, you know, focus 100% wholly on my master's degree, or you can go right into my PhD, and then be where I really wanted to be at this age, which I'm not.
00:28:17
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It's not gonna stop me from doing it. Oh, I'm doing it. But just some advice, just take it from me, someone who's been there. Don't wait, don't hesitate. If you know what you wanna do, go out, be in charge, take charge of your life. Go out and do it. I can make money doing this. I should be like a motivational speaker. Go out, take charge of your life, do it.
00:28:44
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No excuses. Get out there and do it. Do it. Okay. Enough of my motivational speaking for one night. I think you probably get the message. Go to school. But if you want to shovelbump for a while, I think that's great too. If you're young and you're fun, you got it going on. Yeah, be a shovelbump. Do it. Do it. No, I'm kidding. Anyway.
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I think that's it for this show, fair listeners. I think we've had fun. I hope you've learned. I hope you've come away with something, and I hope you've been slightly entertained. I've been told I have a cheeky and dry witch that's some fun music. Anyway, I will hope to have another episode out for you in a week or two, so keep tuned. I will have this posted on my website.
Conclusion and Farewell
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www.jennifermcniven.com I will also try to have these up on iTunes and we'll talk to you later friends folks oh I do want to give a quick shout out to the amazingly talented and cantankerous Lee Damon for our intro and extra extra extra is that the word x out music anyway he composed it and
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recorded it and I love it it's my theme song so nobody steal it all right that's some original Lee Damon right there and that's it for us for this week you all have a good night thanks for listening to the struggling archaeologists guide to getting dirty please remember to tip your waiters at the end of the night
00:30:30
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No, really. I was not joking earlier about Red Lobster, so please remember to tip your waders. Some of us are also archaeologists. And no, I don't really want to get you two sides of cocktail sauce, some lemons, and refill in your sugar beverage. Okay. Share the love, people. Tip your wader. All right, that's it. Niven out.