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🌍 Marketing with a Mission: How to Make a Clean Break
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What happens when a seasoned B2B tech marketer follows her passion into climate tech?
In this episode of B2B Marketing Pint, Brendan & Brian connect with MYNO Carbon's Chief Revenue Officer, Amy Campbell. From leading campaigns at Nokia to championing carbon removal, Amy shares her story of making a bold career pivot—leaving big telecom for a mission-driven career that pursues her passion.
They dive into:
- Why Amy traded telecom for climate tech
- How she navigated the leap into a new industry
- The scrappy, startup approach to marketing with limited budgets
- Building markets vs. competing in mature ones
- Cooperative marketing (even with competitors)
- The reality of aligning passion with performance
If you’ve ever wondered whether you can pursue your passion & your marketing career—this one’s for you.
🍹 Also, Amy breaks the beer streak and brings a peach vodka seltzer to the pint table. Unorthodox but we'll allow it!
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Transcript
Introduction to B2B Marketing Pint
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Your B2B Marketing Pint is the podcast for B2B technology marketers who want to sharpen their competitive edge.
Meet the Hosts and Guests
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Joined by other marketing veterans, your hosts Brian O'Grady and Brendan Ziolo share expertise on what works today and why.
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Grab a cold pint of hot takes on branding, content marketing, demand generation and more served with a side of sarcasm.
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Hi, everyone. Welcome to the latest B2B Marketing Pint.
Amy Campbell's Career Shift
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I'm super excited to be joined today by a good friend and former colleague, Amy Campbell. ah We worked together at both Nokia and Alcatel Lucent. I think some of us may have called us partners in crime.
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ah We worked very closely on thought leader campaigns, demand gen campaigns, and a whole slew of marketing initiatives. But, you know, we may touch on that today. But what I really want to talk to Amy about today is when she left Nokia, she decided to follow her passion. And I think that's something many of us think about doing from time to time. And I'm happy to say Amy's done it. So definitely looking forward to talking to her about that move.
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ah She's now the CRO of Minocarbon, whose mission is actually to remove as much excess carbon as possible from the earth as quickly as possible. So it's hard to argue that as a passionate <unk>use cause.
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Wow. She's also joined several organizations from Women in Clean Tech to the National Charity League. So she's an all-around great person, much better than either Brian and I, but you all know that by listening to now and looking forward to it.
Casual Conversations and Drinks
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But to kick us off on maybe a less less charitable note, Amy, what are you drinking today? Well, I know you're a beer club, but I actually brought a high noon. What's a high noon?
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It's a vodka seltzer, peach flavor. Oh, so she's drinking something fruity, Brian, is what I'm getting at. nice i think south man I think we'll allow it.
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Okay. Okay. All right. Fair enough.
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Brendan, what are you drinking? What am I drinking? I think I may have drank this before on the podcast, but I'm drinking a collective art IPA. ah When I drank, I was a big fan of their beers all around and I was thrilled to see they do non-alcohol versions.
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So once again, a big fan of many of theirs, encourage you all to try it. So that's what I'm, I have in my glass. Brian, what are you drinking? Thank you for asking. i did such a bad job trying to pronounce the name of a Polish beer. We had a couple episodes again, but I thought why why why should I learn from my mistakes when I could just repeat them?
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This is a German wheat beer, a Weissbier for fans, but I'm not going to, treat well, i'm going to try the name, Hacher Schor. I'm going to with Schor. Anyone? Anyone out there? I'm sure we're goingnna get corrections.
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But if you're a fan of wheat beers, this is a good one and I am. So my suggestion is we crack these open and we start talking marketing. Great. Yeah.
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See, that's the side of the opening. All right. We can start drinking now. I'm still pouring. Oh, sorry. Wait for Brian to finish pouring. All right. Cheers.
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Cheers. All right. That'll
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help. All right, Brian. Why don't you get the ball rolling
COVID's Influence on Career Choices
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today? All right. Amy, hope you're feeling extra smart and verbose today because we're going to start picking your brain. Excellent. So you guys played together at Noikia. I was before, way back when, played with Alcatel Lucent a little bit myself, but I didn't didn't end up sticking around for the Noikia stage where you folks played together.
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But when you left that, you left Noikia, you know, when people people change jobs a lot in this industry and they go a lot of different places, you could choose, heck, some people go to competitors, you could choose a different industry, you could shoot make make different choices for all kinds of reasons. You made a choice to go work in a cause you care very deeply about.
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which means you also made choice not to do a bunch of those other things. Tell us about what it's like to make that choice. Did you always know it was going to work? Were you terrified? Was it a plan? How did work out for you?
Networking and Transition Strategies
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Well, it wasn't a plan per se. It became a plan. ah i was at Nokia Lucent, Alcatel Lucent for about 20 years, a little over.
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And one of the things that kept me there was they let us work from home. And so while I could have job hopped to other companies, it was easy. Well, the work wasn't easy. I don't mean that. But the ability to have that flexibility when nobody was doing that was an amazing, amazing benefit.
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ah But then COVID changed everything. COVID changed things a lot for the bad, but some things for the good. And for me, it made me really sit back and reflect on you know, at the end of my life, what do I want to know that I did? What did I accomplish? And obviously my family and and all that, but like from a career standpoint, how have I made a difference? And I took a class, ah authentically me leadership class with Erin Koo. She's really amazing.
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And in the class, she said, you can make a difference by being kind to people. And I was like, think got that You know, maybe I should have worn my kindness matter shirt so you would believe it. But um But I wanted to do something more. So I i just was really exploring like the ESG space.
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And Brendan and I have a former colleague, Patty Wong, who said, do DEI. That's your passion. And it is a passion. But i was like, it's not really something you market. You're not like we are diverse and inclusive and equitable.
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It's more of a culture. so I started really looking into climate. And, you know, my kids would come home from school and I'm washing dishes and they'd say, turn off the water. We're going to be out of water by 2030, you know, and all of these messages that I'm getting from my kids and thinking, yeah, there's something here. So I networked to really find out where I wanted to land.
Adapting to Climate Tech Industry
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And then I also took classes.
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And I was really lucky that I had a long window that I knew before I was leaving Nokia where I could do this. And I just felt very fortunate that I had that time and I was able to find something passionate or that I'm passionate about.
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And that's our climate. Awesome. that's That's quite the progression. And I think I hear a friend of yours in the background. Yeah, I have a dog problem. Yeah. I can't say no to a rescue.
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Right. No, I think this is a pro dog podcast. where we're saying you're You're in a safe space for dogs. That's a very cool very cool description and and feeling it at home, feeling professionally.
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I think one thing we might have in common is i I have a good fortune to be working from home for years before it became sort of a requirement or must do as well. And it's easy to insight of what a perk that is in your life for all kinds of reasons.
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yeah Yeah. Good for you for ah for following following your passion. Over to you, Brandon. So on that, you know, when you decided it was climate, like how did you go about finding potential opportunities? Because, you know, there's to your point, there's probably more.
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marketing climate climate marketing opportunities than DEI to that point but it was still a big leap right from what you'd done at Nokia and things so you know both from a industry and I'm assuming also from a marketing perspective too so you know how did you kind of walk through you mentioned the courses you mentioned some of the other things but like how someone on this listening on this podcast like I want to do climate or I want to do passion a or whatever how do you kind of walk them through how to enter a new job market, a new industry, essentially.
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Well, and it's it's interesting because so many people I talked to said, don't leave tech. That's where your network is. you know And so I knew I was taking a big gamble. And I also knew that I was modeling taking risks for my kids.
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I felt like when I was much younger, I took risks. And I'm like, do they see me taking risks? so And i really felt like I was going to make it work. But the way I did it, Brendan, is... I talked to everybody.
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I talked to people I had worked before. i had talked to people I hadn't seen in years and and really asked a lot of questions and network, network, network. LinkedIn was my best friend and I need to be stay as current as I was because it's such a great tool and I want to help people like people help me.
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i was really fortunate that I knew Tom Kasten and he's like industrial, energy recycling. He's known in that industry for years and years. And I met with him and he had started a co-founded a company, which is Minocarbon.
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And so they're very much at the time in the development stage. And a few months later, he called back or or their CEO called back and said, can you do some consulting for us? And then they brought me on as the chief revenue officer. So I was lucky in that sense, but I was lucky because I kept calling and kept finding and you know, going down different, as many paths as I could.
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And then even in the climate class that I took, I networked with the other people in the class. Because they might know someone who knows this and maybe they're into food insecurity, whatever. And I know someone here, right? So.
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Yeah, and those are those are good tips that I think sometimes we forget. And I know you, when you set your mind to something, you're going to go get it. ah so that's But that's important for everyone to realize that that's important. And then, yeah, it's and another good reminder on the importance of networking.
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you know You thought you were leaving one behind in tech, but you have a broader one than you think
Passion-Driven Marketing vs. Tech Marketing
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quite often. And LinkedIn can be your best friend. Yeah, for sure.
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So with regards to the technology around marketing, you know, you got that advice. Don't leave tech. That's where your network is. You've been a marketer in tech. I get that. I hear that loud and clear. That makes sense to me.
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We had a another guest on a few episodes ago, Wendy Moore, who was talking about if you're going to be a good product marketer in tech, it's not just about the marketing, it's actually about a love of the tech itself, if you're going to be a great product marketer.
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Now, you've done both. You've been in technology marketing at Nokia, and I'm going to guess, I'm no expert in the climate change industry, but I think if you're going to try and achieve the goal, you folks have set yourselves, there's going to be some technology involved there too. It's not just going to happen.
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ah So how do you square the circle of, I'm an expert communicator, I'm a marketer, but what I'm really marketing is often very core technology, very deep down in the roots technology.
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Are you able to, did you have to start over and learn a whole new technology language? How did that work? Yeah. I never thought I'd have to see a chemistry table after i i took my chemistry class. I'm like, I am done forever, you know? And so I've actually learned a lot in that space. So,
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which is really fascinating. And it may be because we're applying scientific information to real world examples. And that's kind of cool, you know, because it it makes it a little bit more relatable than just, you know, memorizing something from a table.
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But there's definitely a learning curve. And, you know, that's hard. And so I do like to learn. I'm super curious. And so I would read as much as I could and talk to as many people and try not to ask dumb questions, right?
00:11:49
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You don't really know they're dumb until later when you're like, should have known that one. But it's part of learning. And and the other nice thing about working at a startup like this is everybody's. In the same boat, everybody's mission driven, we're all in it together.
00:12:05
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Right. And so they're so willing to help you and bring you up to speed because the faster we're all up to speed, the faster we can move forward. Definitely a learning curve.
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and And we have heard from other guests and probably our own experience too, Brendan, that that that's a real advantage of the startup mentality. If there's a smaller army to get marching in the same direction, it's that much easier to get marching in the same direction.
00:12:27
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Yeah, it it really is. And everybody has this positive energy. Everybody feels good about what they're doing. it's a completely different environment. You've got your hands in everything, right?
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Whereas, you know, in the big company, you are responsible for one thing. Right. And I really like working the demand gen and thought leadership stuff with Brendan. That was i in tech. That's what what that's what I would want to do. I didn't love the the tech itself. I mean, it was great that your 5G phone worked, but um I liked the art and science of the marketing.
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But in the startup, you're scrappier, you know, that big budget. bye. You know, you're you're figuring out how to do things yourself. It's challenging.
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But it's such a positive energy. It really makes up for any big budget that you you thought wasn't big, but was, you know, really huge. ah ah And you you touched on an interesting point there, Amy, that I wanted to, you know, you kind of admitted it a bit yourself, but we see it all the time. I know you and I have, Brian has, but.
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You know, there's quite often marketing people at tech companies who are passionate marketing people, but, you know, in your example, don't care about the 5G phone, right? Or don't care about whatever they're marketing.
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And there's others that are really technical and are passionate about that and for some reason ended up in marketing and don't kind of care or know that stuff. Like, do you see that now that you're passionate about the company and product and passionate about marketing, like,
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Do you see the advantages of that? Are there issues with the other where you're passionate about one but not both? Like, how do you see that playing out now that you've been in both situations to some extent? Well, I think if you're passionate about it, you're going to relate to the content. You're going to relate to what the audience wants more.
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it makes everything more relatable and interesting, right? The content's more interesting to you. So I think it definitely makes a difference. I mean, I know where we worked, we had a lot of technical people that came into marketing and and they knew the technical part.
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But I do think there is a marriage. I do think, you know, everybody can't be a creative marketer and everybody can't be an engineer. Or if they do, they have to figure out how to work together because there's got to be a be able to be to use both.
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Does that make sense?
Challenges in Startup Marketing
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Yeah, totally. Yeah. Yeah. So does that mean you have to approach this job differently if you're, you know, in the case of Nokia, we kind of know what they do. We know the kind of tech they're involved in and and there's certainly great applications for it. Some people might get more excited about those applications than others, but versus sort of a value driven operation that you're at now, you know, you're you're, I think the ultimate goal is to save the planet. That's fairly lofty. That seems to be.
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which I'm just trying to save the planet. So do you have to approach your job as a marketer differently when it's totally value based or part of the part of the mission is value based that way versus, you know, we're a public company with marketing this technology, we've got numbers to hit.
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Does it make you as a marketer? Does it make you behave differently in how you go to market? Absolutely. There's much more at stake. Right. And I know we talked about saving the earth and I mean, that is major, but I mean,
00:15:54
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When you're a startup and you mess up, it's a much bigger impact than if you're in a big company and your piece of a very big pie messes up, right?
00:16:05
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Yes, maybe you falter a little bit, right? But there's so many other people and resources and all that, that that will work out. But in a startup, you got to try things and what we call it, Brennan, fast failing, but you got to keep it going. And and so there is a lot more at stake.
00:16:22
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The company, the survival of the company is at stake, right? So it definitely is a different energy that it brings. is Is it that much easier to get out of bed in the morning, though, when you've got a value? yeah yeah Yes.
00:16:35
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Yes. And every night when I go to bed, i'm like, I am just so thankful that I'm able to do this. And i you know I feel good. And I think that it impacts your life. At least it has for me, knowing that even on the hard days and the good days and every day, it's like I'm taking a step to doing better.
00:16:54
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but that early sound That resonates with me. That resonates with me because that to me would be the most attractive part, which is every job is going to have a bad days, but at least after you have a bad day, you get up the next morning and you get that extra dose of motivation, which you may not get with every gig.
00:17:11
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Right. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. So, I love hearing this story and I'm super proud of you and congratulate you for taking this move. But I also want to pick your brain on the marketing front if we can for a little bit. For sure.
00:17:27
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because I know you could go on about the climate and all these other great things as well, but it is a marketing podcast. We want to give some people some takeaways here as well. So, you know, and you you alluded to this in in the last bit when you're talking about the startups and versus the big budgets and stuff like that. So maybe think of this through the lens of a startup or smaller company, not the budgets we had at Nokia.
00:17:51
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But, you know, what do you see as some of the biggest challenges today in marketing or or some of the big changes that you're seeing out there from you know the highest level, but maybe through the lens of a startup?
00:18:03
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Well, I think from our startup, we're developing markets. And I think that's a completely different challenge than i I've worked at startups before, but not, you know, this early.
Minocarbon's Market Strategy
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And it's exciting because there's so much to learn. But boy, there's a lot to learn. Right. You think you know something, you know, so We've had to be much, like I mentioned earlier, scrappy and we'll find consultants in different areas to teach us, you know, how, you know, what's important in these different industries.
00:18:34
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And the other thing is there's a lot more collaboration with, you know, our competitors, because what we think is if we win, we want everybody to win, right? We want, and that's how we save the planet, right? So if we're continuing to sequester carbon and,
00:18:53
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you know, remove contaminants you know, make our soil healthier, et cetera, we all win. So we collaborate a lot with other biochar companies on what's working for you. What does your plant look like? How are you doing this? You know, lot of knowledge sharing that way that obviously we never saw in these big corporate companies because you couldn't do it.
00:19:13
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um But here we're all in it to, you know, let's make this work for everybody. But developing markets is completely different. um And Yeah, there's a lot to lot to learn there. and it's it But it is exciting. And then you learn about all these different industries. You had no idea.
00:19:28
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you know I never thought I'd be into you know hydrocarbons and petroleum and all that. But it's good. So that's, you know, that you that's a really great point about, you know, when you're at an early stage startup in an early market, I mean, you've got to develop the market and educate the market first before you worry about ah some of the things that were our day to day at Nokia.
00:19:51
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What are some of the things you're doing on the marketing front that are that are working, you know, to build out that market, to educate the market, to to grow that market? No, I mean, that's a great question, Brendan.
00:20:04
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Well, what I mean, biochar itself, that's what we we do has been around for hundreds of years. So some people have this perception that you know, it's mom and pop and all that. And there's a lot of science behind it.
00:20:17
Speaker
And so making that awareness, making that change and shift in people is big. Right. And people who could really benefit from the product that have no idea that it exists. So what we're doing now, we've done a lot of work looking at different segments and trying to understand, like, will they pay what we need them to pay? OK, no.
00:20:35
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and Still good for them, but it doesn't make the business model work. You know, so we have spent a lot of time on the different segments.
Collaborating with Competitors
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ah and And so one of the ways that we're trying to do that is we've created an influencer program where we're trying to get influencers from the industries that we're seeking to penetrate and those markets and, you know, work with them, coordinate content with them, do social stuff, you know, like a a full influencer program and rolling it out over several months.
00:21:09
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And that's hopefully that's going to make a difference because then it will be more relatable to the people in the segments. Right. If it's people that they know and trust. So um that's the big thing we're working on now. We did put in a CRM.
00:21:23
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about a year ago, which is exciting um to but go in there and see when the leads come in. and And that's also interesting. We did some paid media, I mean, low budget stuff, but we still got leads in. And it was really interesting based on the messaging. Oh, this person, they're looking for job.
00:21:39
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And this person is. But we had a lot of really great leads ah that came out of it, too, you know, from a I want to buy. to a let's partner together.
00:21:50
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you know I've got this feedstock, can you help me you know take care of it, et cetera. but away with yeah i love hearing about the, I mean, about to hold her up sort of influencer program, it's an area I'd love to to dive into.
00:22:05
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That's really interesting. The other part I find really interesting is you mentioned you even want your competition to win when you're creating a market because they're
Aligning Sales and Marketing Teams
00:22:12
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winning your win. And another one of our guests, Santosh, had mentioned doing some cooperative marketing with competitors sometimes. This is kind of a new space for me.
00:22:22
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not I mean, I'm as competitive as the next guy. I don't wish bad things on my competition. ah but the But the thought of actually ah joining up, syncing up with them and working together and and going after a market together, that's kind of new and different for me. And it's neat to hear it in two different places. Now you're the second guest to mention that.
00:22:40
Speaker
Right. Well, i think one of the obstacles we have is transportation. So and we're talking truckloads that we ship to big projects. Right. And so it kind of ruins your climate story when you're shipping it halfway across the country.
00:22:55
Speaker
But if I know somebody who's close by, i can broker right? I mean, there's different options that you can you can do, but at the end of the day, i want us all to win. I want everybody to be successful.
00:23:08
Speaker
And we can get up to speed faster. Oh, we tried this. It didn't work. You know, oh, we're looking at this and this has been amazing. And here's a price point we're getting, et cetera. So that's good. Real knowledge sharing. off not if you Okay. Well, again, this happens to us frequently here.
00:23:22
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I'd like to keep this discussion going all day, but people won't listen to us all day. And we are going to run out of food eventually. Brandon, I was thinking about bringing us home with our our classic closer. what do you think?
00:23:33
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I can't wait to hear Amy's answer on this one. Okay. Hope she hope we didn't tell her what's coming. No. What's that? Well, here comes the classic B2B marketing client closer. In your role, we'll leave it open-ended a little bit, whether it's Nokia or whether it's here in your new role, I guess not that super new, but your newer role, what's the biggest myth?
00:23:54
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And I go i know in in your particular field, that could open a lot of discussions, but what's the biggest myth, whether about marketing or about the industry and you're in that's driving you crazy and how would you like to correct it what's the what's the reality behind that myth that you would love it if everybody knew yeah well it does kind of remind me of the example we were talking earlier where you have technical people and you have marketing people or you know uh people who you know are educated and trained in marketing and there's differences of opinion i mean i guess for me i think
00:24:28
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everybody thinks they know marketing. Everybody thinks it's easy. There's a lot more to it. You know, there's an art and a science to it. So I would say not in my current world, because right now it's all hands on deck. Everybody wears hats, everybody which is cool because then you get to learn a lot more. But I'd say the whole, yeah, I could do that. Or they should have done this differently or,
00:24:49
Speaker
I mean, everybody's got an opinion. I think that's more of a life thing than just only marketing. but But at the end of the day, it's it's really important to have that marketing and sales together, right? It's not a we did this and you stunk at this or you didn't deliver that. you know it's And actually, that's how we've organized it at Mino is sales and marketing is together and a partnership is going to be much better than the not. right And I'm not saying sales are the only people who sit know how to do marketing,
00:25:19
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that They actually are. It's everybody. Right. So especially sometimes the technical folks, but it doesn't matter. Everybody has an opinion. And as long as we drive revenue and make sales, we all win.
00:25:32
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So maybe one of the myths to bust there is maybe you don't need separate marketing sales departments. Maybe they play well or even better together. Well, yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, like even at Nokia, one of the big challenges that we had is we had our KPIs and each of the business divisions had their KPIs and they didn't match.
00:25:54
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Right. So you can't win that way. Right. If you're all shooting for different goals. And so I think the same could be true with sales marketing work for the same goals.
Closing Reflections
00:26:05
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Right.
00:26:05
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Whether you're together or not. that That is a theme. Well, I've lived that theme. is Usually my most painful experiences are when you've got to discover the hard way that these these groups are not going after the same goals. We're not aligned. to them And I didn't ask that at the beginning.
00:26:22
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So I've lived that. But what's also a theme we've heard in some of our other guests is that alignment between sales marketing and Brendan. I you's spent a lot of time working on that yourself. Right. Yeah, no, and i you know, not, not surprised that Amy and I share perspectives there after working together for, for a number of years and, you know, facing some of the same challenges and then looking for those solutions. But yeah, I'm totally with you on the, you know, aligning them and yeah, having them in the same team with, you know, but more importantly, having the same goals is, is definitely spot on and can't wait, can't wait to to hear
00:26:59
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about your successes and and as things grow at your at your current role. So I definitely want to thank you for taking the time. I mean, this was a cool topic, a bit different than what we covered on some of the other ones. And we do want to, you know, get people thinking outside the box. And I think you did a great job of that and and really brought a great perspective on, you know, how to marry your your passion.
00:27:24
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Big ambitions and marketing all in the same one, which I think is super great. And I really appreciate you joining us today. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Cheers.
00:27:34
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Cheers. ah Matt, our our pleasure. Appreciate it Best of luck with your mission. I'll drink to that. Thank you. Appreciate it. Hey folks, if you liked that episode, you won't believe the next one. So don't forget to subscribe on your favorite platform and you won't miss out. Or if you've got an idea we haven't thought of yet, hit us up in the comments.
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We'll cover that too.