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The Little Lobster of Atlantis (part 2) - Trowel 36
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Tune in for the second part of Ash and Tilly’s discussion with Dr Sasja Van der Vaart-Verschoof as they write a project proposal to investigate the underwater landscape of Sitnalta. In this episode, the three discuss the similar underwater landscape known as Doggerland, and the various projects involved in its research. But what exactly is Doggerland? How do we know about it? And why have the team enlisted a lobster for their field crew? Listen in to find out!
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Links
- Groningen University project page
- Blog post by Sasja on Project Doggerland
- Project Doggerland Instagram
- Article on barbed bone points.
- Doggerland Lost Frontiers Project
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Introduction & Theme
00:00:01
Speaker
You're listening to the Archaeology Podcast Network. You have my sword. And you have my boat. And my trowel. Hi, you're listening to episode 36 of And My Trowel, where we look at the fantastic side of archaeology and the archaeological side of fantasy. I'm Tilly. And
Guest Introduction: Dr. Sasha Fandafard-Ferschauff
00:00:20
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I'm Ash. And we are here with Dr. Sasha Fandafard-Ferschauff, chatting all about underwater landscapes. Welcome, Sasha.
00:00:27
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Hi! Yay! So maybe we should do a little recap of exactly what we were talking about in the previous episode.
Project Proposal for Sittnalta
00:00:35
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Yes, true. Good idea, good idea. So Ash and I have been charged by Dr. Ottalp to write a proposal for a project that would investigate the ancient underwater landscape of Sittnalta, for those who are not familiar with Siddnalta, it allegedly used to be above the surface and it would join together the island civilization of Atlantis with the larger continent. To help us write this proposal, we've teamed up with Sasha because amongst her many other talents and experiences, she has worked on a similar project looking at the ancient underwater landscape of Doggerland.
What is Doggerland?
00:01:09
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But what exactly is the Doggerland project? true And could you tell us a little bit more, Sasha, about it? Or specifically, maybe to start, what is Doggerland? Yeah, what is Doggerland? That's a better question, because technically there isn't anything known as the Doggerland project. We just have lots of projects working on Doggerland. It might make the next part of this episode a bit more complicated to answer, but we'll get there when we get there. We will alter it.
00:01:33
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Okay, so Doggerland is the name that archaeologists have given to the land that is now currently under the North Sea because in various periods in prehistory it was actually ah dry and people lived there.
Habitation and Climate of Doggerland
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And when I say people, we're talking about almost a million years of a human or hominid for habitation. Wow. Okay. Yeah, that's a decent chunk. so it's there There's not people there all the time for those millions of years because with every ice age,
00:02:06
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That came and went, the landscape would flood, and then it would be dry again, and then it would have a lake, yeah but in the landscape and then eventually it completely became it became completely submerged, about 6000 B.C.
00:02:21
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And why did it become... I mean, this it might be a stupid question, but why did it become submerged? Was it too morally corrupt and the gods decided to punish it? Well, we don't know, because of course we're talking about prehistory, so we have no written sources, unfortunately, for this, which is just a shame, but also really cool, because then we can just ah keep it with the archaeology and make up whatever explanation we would like.
00:02:44
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um Yeah, we could do a plateau and be like this thing happened 9,000 years ago, but trust me guys, this is what happened. yeah So the reason it flooded is the same reason um as it flooded all the other times is because of natural climate change. So when the climate heats up, the ice la land ice in the north and south gets smaller, so then the sea levels rise and that just floods what is now the north sea. The north sea is a relatively shallow sea, so it doesn't take a lot for it to actually be underwater.
00:03:20
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ah fair Which, and so sorry, I know you just said this, but when when did it sort of sink or when did it become covered kind of for the last time? So the last time i when it like fully became submerged was about 6,000 BC, so about 8,000 years ago. And it was preceded by a couple thousand years where the sea levels were rising. um So parts of the North Sea were underwater, um but the higher banks, including the Dogger Bank, where the name Dogger islands at the time. So it sort of went from one big open landscape to watery with a couple of islands to the North Sea that we have today.
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And this might be a really silly question, but does that have anything to do with the Storega slide, isn't
The Storega Slide's Impact
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it? Yes, it does. Yes, it does. Well done. Look at that education. Look at you going too. I'm 60 grams worth of education right now. It is believed that the final flooding of Daruland is connected to the Storega slide, which is a lot more complicated than I'm going to explain it now, but basically a huge underwater rock slide off the coast of Scandinavia caused a tsunami that went all the way through what is now the North Sea and just wiped it all out pretty much. That is a tsunami, yeah, jeez. Yeah, apparently they could see it at the coast of Scotland, like these like people, and then yeah you can imagine it just coming at you, and you wouldn't know what it was, and boom, that would be it. Yeah, yeah, that is the idea.
00:04:52
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I mean, is as with all archaeological theories, there are people who think it was a bit more subtle and people who think it was a bit more violent. But they have found evidence of this tsunami in soil layers in parts of Scotland, for example. And it is believed that it would have been, you know, a 20 meter high wave coming at you. And I mean, in terms of Doggerland itself, because it Like you say, it makes sense, right? It was once above the sea. So of course people were there. But I mean, when did that concept or that idea first actually come
Archaeological Significance of Doggerland
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into existence? Like when did people realize that Doggerland was a thing? Well, actually has quite a long history in the 20th century and before that, even actually. So
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What makes Doggerland so interesting in terms of archaeology is that the preservation is really really good. So a lot of the material it it's is basically one big giant archaeological site and in particular organic materials like bone and antler and even wood sometimes which generally doesn't survive very well from deep prehistory actually is really well preserved.
00:06:04
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And sort of the earliest records we have of people sort of becoming vaguely aware of there being something under the North Sea is already in like the 19th and 8th century when fishermen are starting to bring up, they're starting to do more deep water fishing and they bring up bones of, you know, mammoths and large creatures. And so there's sort of this growing awareness of someone's gone on here. But at the time, ah they were, you know, understanding of the world, as we know it now, um was still developing. So people were seeing it as evidence of the Great Flood, of Noah's Great Flood. Of course. So that went back and forth for a little while. And then in, I want to say either 1913 or 1931,
00:06:53
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ah a fishing trawl named the Kalinda. That I remember, I can't remember the exact date, but I remember the fishing boat's name is the Kalinda. It's a good name. It is a good name. They brought up a block of peat from the bottom of the North Sea, put it on, it was on the deck of the ship and a guy was like, took a spade and was making it smaller to chuck it back over the edge and a beautiful a point made of antler bone, I can't remember right now, but worked animal material, I rolled out and they realized actually this is made by humans. So that was sort of the first tangible evidence that people had actually lived under what is now the North Sea. And that sort of started the whole thing. Oh, actually, this whole landscape used to be dry land and it's purged and there's lots of evidence underneath there. And then as sort of archaeology progressed,
00:07:51
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as a science and a field, the awareness of a group. And originally, people, archaeologists were like, well, it's really cool that we can find all these things from the bottom of the North Sea because they also actually the artifacts and the bones wash up or are end up on the beaches, particularly in the Netherlands, which is really cool. But it was all sort of like Since the finds are not in context and we don't have the context information, we can't really do anything with it. And then later, ah sort of the understanding can actually, we can learn loads from the artifacts and the bones that we get from the North Sea. And then sort of the study of Doggerland really as a specialty came up.
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But it's not, I mean, because when we did our literature review last episode, I guess we were mainly looking at sort of civilizations and and sort of societies that lived under. But Doggerland is not like there isn't the Doggerland civilization or there's not like a big city or anything like that under there. It's just, no you know, I mean, you have to remember that the last people living in Doggerland that we know of was 6,000 BC, which we know people were still hunter-gatherers. They lived in small groups, very mobile existence.
00:09:01
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So there's knows what we would call civilis civilizations with you know architecture pretty much anywhere at this time in that area. So that is not the case.
00:09:13
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So there's no civilisation, technically, in that kind of archaeological fantasy terms. There's no distinct culture, perhaps. So are people moving through this landscape? And if so, I mean, I was wondering about the material culture. Is is there a distinctive Doggerland-esque material culture, or is it just kind of the same stuff that you're finding during the period of the later Mesolithic, kind of everywhere else? Yeah.
00:09:41
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Well, it's, it's a bit of both actually. And it actually goes back far beyond, ah back in time beyond the Mesolithic because we actually start with Paleolithic habitation. So the earliest things, finds we have are about 950,000 years old from a hominid species now known as Homo antecessor. And we don't actually have any bones from the people that we're calling home on Sessler, but we have find artifacts that they use and um animals that they butchered and my favorite off the coast sort of Haysboro, there are footprints left in the the silt of an estuary. That is very cool. Yeah, so that's really cool.
00:10:24
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And then we have but nothing for a while, and then later the Neanderthals make their appearance in Doggerland. And they have a very distinct material culture, but it is very similar to and Neanderthal tools found elsewhere in North West Europe because You have to remember that when Doggerland was dry land, it wasn't you know it wasn't a land bridge to the UK, as it's sometimes called. It was really an incredibly rich landscape that you would have loved to live in as a hunter-gatherer. So it wasn't you know like a liminal zone or anything. It was good living there. And it was connected with everywhere else. So you the tools and the remains you find are very similar to those um on what we would now consider dry land on the continent.
00:11:10
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But the conservation is much better of the organic materials. yeah And that particularly you starts showing up when we have modern humans appearing in darker land because especially like in the Netherlands, Mesolithic, late Paleolithic and Mesolithic organic finds are very few and far between.
The Lobster Discovery
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But then if we look at the organic finds coming from the North Sea for this period, we have thousands. Wow. yeah are they I think I saw something about was the canoes or something or boats, small boats coming up.
00:11:48
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No, you can scratch that then. now keeping it yeah
00:12:01
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Ash can score points though, she can actually ah for a second, but what we do have is a boat building site. Boat building site, there we go. tonight yeah one My favorite, discovered thanks to a lobster. Oh, that is cute. That is very cute. So there's actually a site um called Baldner Cliff off the coast of England, where they found the remains of like a wooden dock and a wooden boat building site. Okay, that is very cool. Yeah. And my favorite is that it was discovered thanks to this lobster, because a diver was sort of exploring around there and saw a lobster sort of digging out its little layer and it was shooting out there, sort of kicking out worked Flint tools.
00:12:49
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I mean, it was the original archaeologist, lobster archaeologist. Exactly. We should interview him. Yes, we'll find him. We'll get him on next week. How amazing would a children's book be, based on the archaeologist's options? He's a lobster archaeologist and he's doing all the underwater archaeology sites. Oh my gosh, yes. That needs to be put in the museum. They give you a little lobster following everything.
00:13:14
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Yes. Anyone, any children's books writer is listening in. We'd be happy to, you know, to to refer to, what's the word? Collaborate. Collaborate, yeah, consults, you know. On the archaeology lecture.
00:13:29
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Exactly. Sasha can edit it and we can translate it to Dutch. There we go. yeah Brilliant. yeah sort it Well, I know that we need to like talk a little bit more about you know this project and specifically Sasha's experience with it and how she could help us. But all of this talk of underwater landscapes has made me want to go for a little stroll along the coast, which I know before you say, Ash, we're not near the beach here. I know. But there is a lake on the northern edge of town. Do you fancy a quick breath of fresh air?
00:13:57
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It's not the same as the sea, but yeah, sounds good. OK, let's know. We will be right back. I feel so much more refreshed now. Definitely.
Role of Citizen Scientists
00:14:07
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It blew the cobwebs away. Absolutely. So Sasha, we talked a little bit before our lakeside stroll about Doggerland, the history of Doggerland, the history of researching Doggerland. But and you also mentioned that there's actually no project Doggerland. So I'm a bit confused because I thought that there was. I thought that there was like a Doggerland project, but is there not?
00:14:26
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Well, there isn't. There isn't. In the last couple of years. there's been lots of different projects ah focusing on lots of different aspects of Daugherland and Daugherland research. And what you're probably thinking of is the social media page that I started. Yeah, I think that's probably what... When I worked at the Museum on Daugherland, which I think is actually called Project Daugherland, but it is intended more as a page where we share all kinds of results and insights from all the different research projects.
00:14:58
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romance So it's not one like cohesive project, it's lots of little ones that kind of collaborate with each other a bit. Yeah, lots of big ones, but yep. Okay, cool. So perhaps the best way would be to start with how I started on Darkerland, because that sort of eventually brings everything what I know about it together.
00:15:16
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So for me, my connections to Darker Land started, um what is it, four or five years ago when I got a job at the National Museum of Antiquities as assistant curator to work on creating a book and exhibition about Darker Land. Very cool. And that actually started happening during COVID.
00:15:39
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So a lot of the things that we and intended to do, which was a lot of in-person activities, not possible. So that's why we decided to lead them quite heavily into my social media skills and started the Facebook and Instagram page Project Doggerland, where we share a lot of the results of different research projects into Doggerland. Okay.
00:15:58
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Yeah, and so currently there's and that exhibition opened a couple years ago and is now traveling in a smaller form along the coast of the Netherlands and different local museums.
00:16:11
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And we wrote a book on it, first in Dutch, then we translated that into English. Which I was very happy about that you translated it into English. You're very welcome. Then can buy it, which I'll do all Yeah, so yeah, so those are available as sort of the starter kit. And the exhibition, does that include just sort of Netherlands based finds or does it include all kinds of different objects from also like the coast of the UK? And so the exhibition focus really on the more on the Dutch side of things. So there's we there were artifacts involved from the bottom of the North Sea, including finds that are closer to the British coast than to dutch the Dutch coast. like we have ah fantastic or There was a fantastic collection of hand axes.
00:16:59
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that one private collector had found um in a gravel processing plant in the Netherlands, but they traced it back to where the gravel was harvested and that was good for them. That's sort of the thing that they're more and more trying to do is connect where something's from and what's coming out of that particular layer of subsoil because there's you know hundreds and thousands of years of archaeology under the North Sea. So the closer you can get to relating different layers of soil to what's coming out of them, the more we can learn about the landscape.
00:17:39
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and the people and the animals that live there. So currently there's two major ah research projects happening in the Netherlands in Stjagland, one coordinated by the University of Groningen, which is really looking for example So that's the resurfacing Doggerland project, which is a big collaboration of different people from different institutes researching sort of the Mesolithic habitation of Doggerland of modern people like us. And then there's also the legacy projects from Naturalis Biodiversity Centre, which is our natural history museum and the University of Utrecht, where I'm from.
00:18:23
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looking more at the paleontology of the animals that lived in Daugherland. And what makes Daugherland so exceptional, other than just the archaeology is amazing, is that the fine and the bones are not just fished up from the bottom of the North Sea by fishermen. They also end up on the Dutch beaches when the beaches are reinforced or built using sand and gravel from the North Sea. So, there's a huge group of citizen scientists who go walking the Dutch beaches every day and collect the darker landfines that are washing up. That's so cool. Oh my god, I want to do that. I don't have to go into the sea. You don't have to go into a helicopter. I mean, I've been dragged out by Jason Momoa.
00:19:16
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I imagine the funding we could get for Doggerland Research, if we could get Jason Momoa. Oh my goodness. Right? Yeah. Oh my God. jesus You should contact him if you're listening. Which I know you're a fan of the show.
00:19:32
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so yeah bad also He'll be perfect because he's into fantasy, you know, as well. we know that He is aqua man he' Aquaman. of the chief like He has a rich family heritage and everything as well. So he's probably interested in light history and archaeology. Interesting. Because indeed, I was going to ask, so there's not any actual like excavations. Because indeed, all of the things that you've mentioned so far have been like ah lobster finding it, a fisherman finding it, or a gravel plant finding it. So I'm assuming there's no like actual excavation going on on this like bottom of the sea. Not on the bottom of the sea. There's a lot of like coring expeditions happening where they like and drill into the bottom of the seabed and take out cores of soil and then trace
00:20:18
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climate change and developments through that. cool There's not like people actually going down and excavating full sites the way we sometimes see in rivers in the middle of the ocean, but there are some smaller excavations off the coast of England. When it's still a bit shallow, like the lobster site was excavated. The lobster? Yeah, we know. Discovered by the lobster and then assisted in the excavation by a human archaeologist. okay yeah fair fair for fair I'm going to take that lobster fact to every pub quiz that I go to now. Yes, by the way, did you know that even though many people think that there were boats found, actually it was a boat building thing. was And it was found by a lobster.
00:21:05
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yeah There you go, we learn a new thing every day. Which, and you briefly mentioned the sort of citizen science aspect of it. And so that was, I think, what first drew me to the, personally, to the social media, like, project Doggerland thing, because it was just so cool to see all of these people. But like, how did they get involved? Like, how did you even sort of, did you contact people? Did people contact, well, not you, but you know, at the projects? Or how did that work?
00:21:28
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A bit of everything, to be honest. So I think the first main wave of citizen science was actually when something was built that we called the Mass Flucta 1, which is a completely human-made beach mar rotterdam and near the harbor which, you know, as the Dutch like to do, so they went out to the... It's about to say, classic Dutch. Classic Dutch. So that's not a beach reinforced with sand from the North Sea, that is a beach completely made from sand from the North Sea. And that's where the first group wave, as it were, of citizen scientists who were walking the beaches and finding all these things and this growing awareness of, oh, actually, this is really type of archaeology.
00:22:23
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happening. And then since then, they've built the mass walk to two, also near the Rotterdam Harbor, which is also made entirely of Santa in the North Sea. And there's a similar a beach near the Hague. And so it sort of went from both sides. On the one hand, there were people who were walking the beaches, finding things, and then through various archaeological means were figuring out, oh, wait, actually,
00:22:48
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I have a metallithic bard point or I have a mammoth tooth or a Neanderthal hand axe. So basic people from the beaches would find the archaeologists and then archaeologists at some point were like, oh, actually, this is an incredibly rich source of archaeology and started working more and more with the people on the beaches. um so Everything to do with Doggerland relies very heavily on the efforts made by these citizen scientists because and because the the sand is constantly being reworked by the waves, you have to pretty much go out every day. You can't just do one search and then be done. but So the scientists rely on the people, you know um and Dutch would say, making the miles who are out there walking to the beach every day, collecting things.
00:23:37
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You know, and even if you're there an hour earlier, or an hour later, you might find something that wasn't there before. So you need the man hours of these people ah collecting things and a lot of them.
00:23:49
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know exactly what they're doing. They can label everything, identify all their finds, they record what they find. So the citizens sort of fall into two groups. On the one hand, really these these these proper citizen scientists who are pretty much archaeologists and paleontologists at this point, they know what they find, they catalog their finds, and they make them available to scientists to research.
00:24:13
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But we also get people who are just walking the dog and then pick up a weird-looking stick and come to the museum and we're like, actually, that is a mezzolithic barbed point and a beautiful one. With some dog teeth marks in it now, but thank you. we don't eat um And what makes it such fun is that whenever, as an archaeologist, if you work with um volunteers or citizen scientists, for example, with metal detectorists, which is not always legal in the Netherlands, yeah you have to sort of test the waters, that pun was intended, of they're you know meeting the legal standard when they're collecting or not.
00:24:54
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Whereas the darland find their exit you anyway so the worst thing you can do if you spot something is not pick it up and it's going to roll back out to see. So it sort of gives you a freedom to really collaborate with these people.
00:25:08
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yeah see i was going to ask that question because and even if it's a stray find in the UK, and I wonder what it's like in the Netherlands if you have sort of a similar setup. Well, in the UK, it's sort of split. So in England, you have fines lays on officers. So if there's anything that's kind of found, they take it to them for each county and then they can get a reward or something, you know, and it's claimed under ah kind of the Queen and things like that. Certain if it's metal and things like that.
00:25:38
Speaker
monarchies tell where your loyalties like yeah anyway um I'm in Scotland so it tells you what. But in Scotland we have treasure trove and a ah but pretty much everything in treasure trove, anything you find is can be claimed by treasure trove.
00:25:54
Speaker
And there are legal kind of frameworks around that. So I did wonder, in the Netherlands, do you have you just go to the National Museum and you talk to someone, or do you have these liaison officers to chat to if you do find something? And kind of how does that work when it's an a you know it's exit to you and you can't really locate the context of that find?
00:26:14
Speaker
So that is actually a very simple question with a complicated answer that we're not really sure yet. Mike, for me, the work I'm currently doing on Doggerland is actually a stakeholder research project um for the other research projects to figure out What everybody is doing what they need and also what the legal. Requirements are of the people finding these things because in practice. We encourage everybody's encouraged to collect what they find um if there's any. Risk of it being, for example, if you find human remains and you're not sure that they're stone age, please call the police that kind of thing.
00:26:54
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um But it turns out actually the legal requirements are a bit more complicated. So there seems to be a bit of a disconnect between the law and the practice encouraged by all archaeologists, including the cultural heritage agency. Because technically everything that you find that you even suspect could be an archaeological artifact, you're supposed to report to the cultural heritage agency or through various liaisons to that agency.
00:27:24
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But doing that is not actually that simple. And they also really don't want every single piece of bone and every single piece of flint being reported because it would just completely by the system. Can confirm, yeah. ah So we're still trying to, we're trying to come up with a better ah infrastructure for reporting these fines. But there's no Dutch law that means you'd have to give up your fine.
00:27:54
Speaker
Which is an important thing because we do find that some collectors are hesitant to work with scientists because they're afraid that their finds will be confiscated. But in the Netherlands, the only thing that can be confiscated would be if it can be labeled a treasure find, literally translated. And that has to be, I think the wording of the law is something along the lines of intentionally hidden of value. And, you know, these are not intentionally hidden artifacts. So it's a bit of a gray area, but generally speaking,
00:28:24
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collectors are encouraged to report their finds to an archaeologist which can be you know at the museum or ah local museums or the cultural heritage agency or the local you know municipal archaeologist and all the archaeologists working on the agar land know all the other archaeologists working on the agar land so eventually finds end up with the person researching it.
Legal Aspects of Artifact Collection
00:28:47
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Which I'm curious, Ash, this is definitely something that we need to consider when we're doing our project proposal because I am not actually sure what the law is in our world, you know, in this fantasy world in terms of treasure trove or finds liaison or cultural heritage agency. We definitely need to find the the the something about that. Maybe that's a future episode that we can talk about. I have the answer to that. We are the law. Oh, that's true. There you go. Easy. Sorted.
00:29:14
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forwards, saves on paper. Okay, great. Okay, so let's go back to our particular scenario, our little quest that we've been given by Dr. Ottalp to write a project proposal in order to investigate the ancient underwater landscape of Sitnalta.
00:29:31
Speaker
So it sounds very similar to Doggerland in that, indeed, I don't know if there are any actual like civilizations on there. I think that it's similar, just a big landmass that probably had people living there. As we've established, Ash and I are not very good in terms of claustrophobic underwater things. I don't mind doing diving, which is weird considering I'm claustrophobic. But anyway, but I also, I don't know, its there's a lot going on down there. I don't really have time to find all my diving kits. So I think that actually the sort of scenarios that you suggested in terms of using sort of researchers from different backgrounds, collaborating with citizen scientists. I think that that sounds like a really good idea. What do you think, Ash? Yeah, I think so. I think that sounds like a really easy way of doing it where I don't have to get into a suit or go it into water. So yeah, I think like, well, I was going to say field walking, but not field walking. It's beach walking. Beach walking. Oh no, we have to go for walks along the beach. Oh no, that's terrible. Yeah. And maybe we can recruit some gnomes to help us since I've gotten in with them with my hat. And lobsters, of course, the lobster team. They can be our shallow excavation team. Oh yeah, the shallow excavation. yeah That would be cool. We could get some trees going you know to kind of shake out all the sand and check. Get some sieving. I can't remember the word for sieving.
00:30:52
Speaker
I do think there might be a problem finding high vis vests to fit the lobsters. To fit the lobsters. We can just paint the shell. No, we can, we can, oh, that was sweet. We can paint their shell in the little special and they can decide what, like, pattern they want on their shell and stuff. Yeah. And I don't think, considering weather and law, I feel like we could forego the high vis. We can make all ours. Yeah. They already have a hard hat, right? Yeah, exactly. Great minds, that's great minds.
00:31:24
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Yeah, perfect. And then as you've mentioned, Sasha, it's maybe not possible to do this as like one single project.
Future Collaborations with Sasha
00:31:30
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So we might have to focus on like a particular aspect of what we would want to research, which yeah sounds good. And then would you be interested, Sasha, in helping us to create an exhibition and write a book about it at the end? Absolutely. But only if I get to collaborate with lobsters. That's a a given, yeah, perfect. Yeah, what we'll promise that. Thank you. And yes, I'm on board. Great. Well, that's the end of this episode of am My Trial. We hope that you enjoyed our quest today. And thank you so much to Sasha for joining us today. It was great to have you on.
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00:32:31
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What is that so sound? What sound? Roll for a perception.
00:32:38
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Oh, that's an 18. And yes, now you mention it, Ash. I can hear a sound. It sounds like arrows flying through the air and it also sounds like, and I know this might sound a bit weird, it sounds like love.
00:32:55
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Ugh, no. I think I know exactly what's happened. We're gonna have to call someone, or at least maybe two people, for reinforcements for the next quest, I think.
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