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Build a Winning Career: Say Yes to Own Your Success
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Career change isn’t about starting over—it’s about repurposing what you already know.In this episode of The Voice of Growth, Ron Stein—author of Say Yes to Own Your Success: Twelve Principles to Catapult a Career You Love...at Any Stage of Life—shares lessons from Wall Street, Hollywood, and entrepreneurship on how to pivot intelligently, manage doubt, and build a career you love at any stage of life.From AI’s role in modern reinvention to why working hard can actually be fun, this conversation is a roadmap for anyone feeling stuck—or ready for their next chapter.👇 Subscribe for more conversations on mastering the mind and the market.
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Mastering Personal Growth and Skill Repurposing
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The voice of growth, mastering the mind and market.
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And I don't think Wall Street is is either of those. I've been saying now it's repurposing, not reinventing. No, working hard is fun and you can make fun from it.
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Say yes to the exploration of it.
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What was my goal? Set the goal and meet the goal. And then meet that goal and then set another goal higher.
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Give back, work hard, and don't take yourself so seriously.
Ron’s Journey from Wall Street to Hollywood
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So Ron, tell me you've navigated two major worlds, the worlds of Wall Street and the worlds of Hollywood. What led you to be at those crossroads?
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Well, I think I started out ah with ah out of new york with New York City with the whole concept of i I'm going to make it on Wall Street. you know That was the only only world that that existed.
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and um And from that, you when you get to some of these places that you think, especially as you're younger, ah ah are are where you want to be, you realize this may not be your passion.
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So that's what sort of led me to understanding different paths and different directions, industries. So even before ah the film, there were a number of ah startups and technology things.
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And i just you know you just happen upon different industries. So always wanted to do something that was um legacy and creative. And I don't think Wall Street is is either of those.
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um You can be, but not not usually. or It's more about transactions, power, and greed. um So ah when I saw the opportunity, and it wasn't so ah overt, you know it was but much more subtle.
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it just ah And it's in the book, the story, but just so happened to be in the setting of of filmmakers. And I got approached, and came up with the idea of i can try to do to do this.
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Um, and I think for me, it's, uh, I, I think one of the keys to transitioning or trying new things. And, um, I've been saying now it's repurposing, not reinventing.
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So, and in that line, i mean, what, what, what are my skillsets that I could apply to any industry, job, ah life, even, event.
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And for me, it happened to be, um, few things. One is project management. I can visualize ah everything as a project, figure out the end goal and figure out the steps, critical paths and everything else to get there.
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Um, second is i don't mind hard work or working hard and I actually enjoy it. And I, it's really difficult to tell my kids today what who who think it's live your best life is not working hard. Right.
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And I'm like, no, working hard is fun and you can make fun from it. Um, as long as you like what you're doing, even if you don't, you just got to make certain games. And, and I also, uh, I pick things up pretty quickly.
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So, and I enjoy learning that way. um So I think those skill sets together could apply anywhere.
Birth of Ron's Book from Career Transition Experiences
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Yeah, so this is a really good segue, ah Ron, because you've written ah recently written a book and um this book has some principles, which I want you to kind of describe. But even before we get to the content of the book, what was the reason that you decided to write the book?
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So ah I've been helping these probably up to a hundred friends, associates, friends of friends ah do this, follow these principles and and help them with their career path.
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And I was at brunch maybe three years ago now, almost three years ago. And ah some of people knew me, some of people didn't. That's why I like networking with people.
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Some of you know, some you don't know. And somebody asked me the same question and I started telling the story of film and this and and one of the women there said, I cannot, she stood up and said, can't listen to the story anymore. why don't you write a book?
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And I said, what? Stop the conversation. I said, ah how would I do that? And she goes, well, I have a friend who was a published author, who was looking for somebody to help.
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I'll connect you, but just please don't tell this story again. So that's how this all came about. And again, I i always say, say yes isn't jumping every opportunity, but it's the first step. So saying yes was that day was say yes to the exploration of it.
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Then I called, i I did my research. ah started We started seeing if they can get an outline together. So I hired her to help me with that outline. And then the outline seemed pretty good, what was the angle.
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And got about a year and into it and it was more of a self-memoir book and I wasn't gonna self-publish. So left it alone, dropped it. And then about six months later, I was at a party a small dinner party.
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And the guy next to me started talking, we started talking. um And he he he asked about what I was working, what passion I had. And I said, well, I had this book, but I put it down.
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He said, well, what's it about? And then he had a friend who does publishing with self-help kind of angle to it. yeah He said, this would be perfect for her Went to her.
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we just changed it to sort of loud principles, resorting things, kept the storylines the same, but moved into more of helping people with their career, what what the book was intentioned to do from that from that branch.
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Very nice. So the the book, is it's Say Yes to Success, 12 Principles to Catapult a Career You Love at Any Stage of Life. So I'm really interested in that last piece and why that's so compelling for people our audience to understand why at any stage of life, that seems like an interesting phrase.
AI's Role in Career Pivoting for Experienced Individuals
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Could be, ah you know, because I'm, I'm, um turning fifty nine and ah i I'm I'm already looking to the next one after the the book was that now ah and do the the courses and and and the motivational speaking and maybe some summits and ah some workshops, ah maybe one-on-one, but ah I'm already thinking about what's next. And It's really interesting now, a lot of the people of my age are are saying, what what do we do you know to to at this stage of our life, at this stage of our careers?
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um Do we just finish out, retire, and and you know get our pensions or get our 401ks? Do we try something new? Is it too late? And the idea now is not too late.
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And it's actually more fun now, I think, because I think AI is giving everybody older or with experience a chance at at rep rep and again repurposing themselves.
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Because there what AI doesn't give you today is they can do the grunt work. They can't interpret and they don't know experiences and anomalies. So if you're experiencing any of those fields, whatever field it is, you can now use AI to help you change or or pivot a little bit.
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Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. You know, I have a lot of friends across the age landscape. I do some mentorings. I just got off a meeting with some students that are in their early twenty s And then I have ah friends that I hang out with that are in their late 70s, early 80s across the board.
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And i had a conversation with a guy the other day that you'll probably find interesting. So this guy he's 84. he's eighty four And he has been making wine, brewing whiskey.
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he basically started the whole wine industry here in Arizona, which, yeah, there's a wine industry industry here, believe it or not. And so we were just talking and, you know, he's lived ah four lives, right? He did a lot of things in the military. He did, he had a whole career afterwards in mining. And then he got into this like winemaking world and whatever. And I asked him like, what's next? Are you just hanging up the spurs?
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And he basically told me to F off. He's got a lot of life left him, and you know, and he's going to perfect a new kind of distilling process. So that really gives me a lot of momentum to, you know, why I wanted to have this conversation with you, because sometimes we, we, we say no to a lot of things and we get stuck in these ruts.
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So what are some of the principles that are discussed in your book that can really help somebody understand that maybe it's somebody who's stuck, maybe help them to go in a new direction?
Finding Passion to Prevent Career Ruts
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Well, I think it's it's a couple of things. One of the principles is the first one is passion. Find out what you're passionate about. It doesn't have to be outside of what you're doing, but it it has to be outside your even company.
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But it has to be something different if you're it because ah you wouldn't be in a rut if you were passionate about it. So find something, it could be adjacent, it could be completely new that that actually gets you excited.
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um I think the second thing is quickly understand that most people, and even in your inside voice is going to say, no you can't do it. You're not good enough, or you don't have the experience. You don't the knowledge. It's too much work.
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You don't the time. you got You got to block those out. and And then I talk about focus. You got really focus in on doing it. And I think the they the the misconception people have is that they have to reinvent or dive right in and put one down for the other.
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And and i I look at it like you don't drive into deep end if you don't know how to swim. You take lessons, you learn, then eventually you take your test and you go into deep end. So I think it's, but especially again, today's with the world, the technology, social media, you can get some experiences and try some things out without leaving your core job. So you don't have to come out of your total comfort zone ah you But yet you can start what I call sampling into different things.
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And then when you get into something like, you you you don't even know who you don't know or who you know that that's in that field. and And if you start looking out through your your context, your social media, um you'll realize that, you know, for me, when I went to film,
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I connect with four people who I knew socially, had no idea what they did, and they're all deep into film. and Really? or Or the back end of film, and they taught me. So I think it's, you know, you don't know, keep a broad network, keep contacts, even if they're not in your industry,
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Broaden it. Don't keep it so narrow. and And try things. You can also try things. I've been saying this a lot with philanthropy. you know Any of these big organizations, to say you're you're at accounting you've been an accountant all your life, but you really were into ah marketing, but you didn't have any courses.
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Well, United Way, Special Olympics, they do marketing. You can always volunteer in a marketing group. You don't have to volunteer into the day-to-day or fundraising.
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They have a back office too, or the you know vice versa, if you're marketing, want to count. So you can get some that experience, give back at the same time, and see if you like it. Have you heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect?
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No, no, I haven't. So the Dunning-Kruger effect, and and I'll explain it to you, and I want to get your take on on how somebody might get past that. So the idea of the Dunning-Kruger effect is that the less you know about something, the more your your um what's right you're confident about your abilities about it.
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And then it sharply goes down. So say, for instance, you you take up a ah learning how to play the guitar. So you learn how to play the guitar and, you know, three months in, you're like, I got this. And you have this like overconfidence about you.
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And then somebody hands you something, some Segovia or something very like hardcore. And then you realize you don't know anything about guitar playing at all. And your confidence goes down to the ground.
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And then it it takes some time ah to basically go through and become a true expert. And so how would you say somebody in that framework of passion that initially thinks they know a lot about what they're doing and then falls off that cliff, how would you help them get back on on track?
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Well, ah I'd say a couple of things. You don't have to be the NBA all-star. you You can, everybody has a place and you can make your your your your experience value add, you know, find what your value add is. You don't have to conquer everything and be the expert expert.
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So, you know, when I was training for the the marathon, and I was you know out of shape getting ready, an old grandmother passed me by and she cruised laughing and i could have given up. So i kind of look at that effect, right? I thought I could do this running. I'm really getting good. There's 90 year old grandmother runs by me as if I was standing still and I'm like, oh boy, what am I gonna do?
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But I actually took that as as a challenge, not as a negative. So I think if you turn the front upside down and say I can make that a challenge. And you know you know i didn't have to win the race.
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I didn't have to be the expert, but what was my goal? Set the goal and meet the goal. And then meet that goal and then set another goal higher. So I think also that's you know trying to say,
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to your example, the guitar, if that piece came along and you is so out of your range, I'd say, all right, what's the next piece up? And let me build. That's not because the ultimate goal, not necessarily something that, that, that makes me, down hardened or give up.
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Yeah. I think that's actually made me, so it would made me speed up. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's one of the the hacks, if you will. You know, this term hacks is used a lot right now. And some people like the word, some people hate the word.
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i kind of think that there's a place for it. And so with respect to hacks, I tell my kids that, look, whatever you decide to do, at the very beginning, you're going to feel like a fool. You're going to feel like you don't know what you're doing. You're going to feel embarrassed, but you just got to burst through that because at the ah ah the end at the other end of that, you're going to have some level of realization that, you know what, I can do this. Or you're you're going to have confidence about it. You're going to and start to enjoy it.
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Like when my first my kid first started doing tennis, he was, you know, I kind of pushed back a little bit. And now he's like, dying to play. he want You know, I gave him a new racket for Christmas and all this stuff. So um how do you deal with people that surround that person and are naysayers.
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How, you know, to use the example of the guitar, somebody who might say, look, you're never going to learn how to play this riff. You're never going to learn how to, you know, what you're you're always going to have naysayers. or Of course, we're our own worst enemies, but you also have family. You're going to have, you know, somebody who maybe wants to start a business and you have people say, no why are you doing that for? You've got a degree in accounting. Why the hell would you ever start a business?
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How do you deal with
Overcoming Naysayers with Self-Belief
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that, Ron? Yeah. Well, it's doubt management it's and you just got to block it out and have internal strength. um You can do it. And everybody, no matter what, even even when I wrote this book, I had naysayers.
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So after even though I've been successful doing all these different careers, it came to the point for the book and everybody's like, well, you're not a writer. All right. So I got somebody to help me do writing.
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But, you know, your stories aren't going to be interesting. You know, you know how are you going to make it work? Do you got to market? So i I just think you've got to understand that they always are going to exist, internal and external naysayers.
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Block your voice out, focus, and and put up, like ah like I always say, it's like a racehorse. at at They have blinders. So some don't, some do. So put your put get a pair of blinders on and don't listen. Block out all the naysayers and focus straight ahead.
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ah at Again, finish line. And then one race and then set a ah higher goal. So I also don't think you could, you know you gotta be realistic in your goals, but keep, keep striving to attain them.
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And then each victory use it as a way to say to the naysayers in your own head or whatever that, you know you, you can do this and now go to the next step, next rung.
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Who would you say are your ideal readers? Who would benefit from this book? and um And why should they read the book? What are they going to get from it?
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So I think anybody who's who who's either contemplating a career change or trying to figure out which which career they wanted to go to.
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And especially the third group would be the people coming towards the end of their ah initial career, you know, 40s, who are thinking about what to do, ah how to wind down, or and I say wind up the next phase of your of what you're doing.
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And I think what they'll get out of it is, examples throughout of these 12 principles. And it's sort of like 12 steps. You can't skip really many of them.
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um And within the book now, we've got examples and there's even a workbook that you get with the book. So you can fill in as you go through or read it once and go through it again and fill in for yourself what those things are. And I think you'll get a path and and and a strategy, a plan.
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And I think that's also helpful. I think people might try things, but I think they one or two of these steps might be hard for them, whether it's that management step, maybe they don't have the confidence step, the focus.
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And throughout the book, there's just real examples. um I lay it out there a little bit, but it's okay. Yeah, that's ah actually a really good segue because one of the questions I have for you here is give us a time in your life that was...
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I won't use the term rock bottom, but was really challenging for you. You had a lot of things happening and, um, give me, give us an example of what that might have been.
Resilience and Lessons from the Dot-Com Bubble
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Well, I think it's the example is, uh, is the.com bubble.
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So we shopped at a.com. Um, we had a great ideas and they still are, they they were ahead of their time a little bit. Technology wasn't there. And, um,
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We grew as fast as we could. We knew the window might close, but I had invested a ton of money into it. My own money, I always do. And when the bubble crashed and we didn't finish that raise, that you know you look at it and say, that's pretty rock bottom. I didn't let everybody know how bad it was, but it was pretty bad.
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But i two concepts that that I held to that are in the book as well is I still have my core strengths and i didn't the ah burn any bridges. So I went back to consulting, which was always there for me as go-to industry, business.
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to build up my wealth again. So it's not about money because i at that point I had none, negative. but And again, I had kids at the time. I had a house. I had a mortgage. I had cars. yeah So it wasn't like a you know ah ah trust fund kid.
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and And it was down. But I went to the investor who lost the most money. and And I said, what do you think? And he said, learn from this.
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the the you'll be more successful now than ever if you could take this and use it like Sergeant Stripes and you've you've got your your badge of courage, get out there and turn around and next time make it better. And he said, and and include me on the next investment.
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Wow, that's remarkable. that You don't see that a lot. I think it's hard to do that sometimes because we feel ah that we've let people down. Obviously, the market shift, obviously things happen, but coming clean like that, obviously in your situation was the best thing to do.
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um What about on the other side? What about a time in your career where maybe you were riding high on something? any Any stories you can share on that? learned from the past and I said, all right, now I know what to do.
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was the 08 crash of the financial services, right? So I had a consultant, my second consulting company, and i started to build it up, and of a sudden the crash happens, right?
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So what do you do That time i'd learned from the past, and I said, all right, now I know what to do. I'm going to go ahead and figure out what caused the crash and consult on that.
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and turn it into real opportunity for growth. And went to London, interest interest rates, swap options. And i had known that, got people who experts in that, consulting started consulting practice for that specific item and reworked with the London Stock Exchange. So I turned it into a really ah but very very ah successful venture quickly.
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You know, one of the things we we talk with our clients and and people that we work with is the idea of having enough runway and enough confidence to pivot when you need to pivot.
Deciding to Go 'All In' or 'Sample' New Careers
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How do you feel? So there's like two schools of thought, right? There's the school of thought that says ah burn the boats, right? go all in and you know, don't look backwards, just jump in both feet, burn the boats.
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And then there's the other side of the camp that says the more OOT approach, right? Uh, you're doing some level of maybe a side hustle to begin with. You build some momentum. Um, do you have any preference on each of any of those two sides there?
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I'm definitely the latter. Um, But, but, but, so I'm definitely, I call it sampling the book. I think you sample, keep you keep your core, but when you find it Then you go all in.
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So I think it's a combination, but I think the start, the fire, you need to make sure there's a good flame that you're happy with the with it. and And you're going to be content and that you're sure that the end goal now is it is not just possible, but will fulfill you.
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So it's not just about can I do it? It's about will the end, is the end what you thought was going to be? It will be. And will you be happy doing it? Then if that's the case, then um then you go all in and focus and really hit the gas.
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So burn the burned boats. So I think it's a combination, but I think you need to make sure it's right first because if you go too soon, i think that you know that's how some some some catastrophic errors could happen.
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Yeah, I like that analogy of you got to make sure you have enough fire to start the, or you know, enough wood to start the fire to eventually burn the boat. So I like that analogy. um I've been on kind of both sides of that myself. I've been on, you know, jumping in with both feet.
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And luckily I landed safely. Although six years later, i had a catastrophic event where I had to close that business. And then on the other side, the more Uch approach, which you know, you called it sampling and all that. I think there's a lot of value to that as well.
00:25:05
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Um, so let's go back a little bit to understand the many pieces and facets of who you are. You've done real estate development.
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You were in tech in during the dot-com bubble, or is it something else? Uh, was tech and, and, and, and sort of entrepreneurism. uh, video and, uh, Hollywood time. You've been in wall street.
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You're now, an author. And what else have you done in your career? this is so many jobs that, ah that don't even make the pages of the book. Um, I had a fishing business at Naples, Florida.
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um I played poker for a while on the tour. So this is number of different things to hobbies, to again, sampling, trying to make money out those things as well. Um,
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but I did some accounting work as well for for for for some financial industries companies. So I think it,
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and And a bunch of startups throughout the way um that they'll make the pages. It was a CIO of a messaging company out of London.
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um So there's just some interesting different things, but not all will make the pages, but but I was trying to really focus on the ones where DS either got you into it, helped you pivot to start it, or helped you be successful in it.
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Yeah, i love that idea of the yes. um It reminds me of so many stories of people saying yes when when almost everybody else would say no.
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The Richard Bransons of the world, the others that when asked, ah you can you do this? They said, yeah, I can do it. And then they go and they build it in the back there while they're figuring it out. So I really love that idea.
00:26:58
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Um, are you looking at doing a bit of a book tour when you released the book? Has it, first of all, has it released yet? It's released. Um, we're doing most of the marketing out for the, uh, for the new year starting in January, sort of a new year, new career, uh, angle of it.
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um As well as maybe down, ah working on ah ah an online summit for February 5th with different speakers and and different take everybody taking a chapter, sort of explaining it, and then doing some... um Probably, I don't think it's more of a book tour than it is more of maybe, a you know, going to ah seminars or be part of other people's seminars and do like ah a course as well or one-on-one sessions for people that like I did for like 100 of my friends or associates on on what value they have. And also, it's not it's not a yes for everybody, even new careers.
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So, you know, you you know and ah I had friends, you can't go from banking to startup entrepreneur necessarily. Not everybody's got the skill set or or or has the bandwidth or just is meant to be.
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So you have to talk all that through a little bit and still be able to find a new new new road, but maybe it's not the one they they originally thought. I get that.
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I
Advice to Younger Self on Persistence and Confidence
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get that. There is ah a question I ask all my guests, a couple questions. And if I handed you a magic telephone and you could have a ah conversation and and tell an 18, we'll say 19 year old Ron, what would you tell that, that 19 year old Ron? think I would tell him to, uh, that the, the,
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the road will end up right. So, and, you know, so and obviously what's, what worked what didn't work, but, but that, um that the path's good. I mean, i'm I'm, I'm happy with, with the way the path worked and sometimes the road not working, different experiences. So um just keep, keep it up.
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That's good. And if we flip that channel and we, we ask an 89 year old, eighty nine year old Ron, what would you ask of that 89-year-old version of yourself?
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Probably the advice i didn't give the 18-year-old, which would have been, I'd ask the 80 or 90-year-old, which is the one, if I had to do one, which would would be the one or two would be the most successful for that person?
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Yeah, that's interesting. And how do you define success while we're on that subject, Ron? That's why i reversed the question. um I think success is is ah individual, actually.
00:29:57
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So each individual, you it's not necessarily monetary. So for the person, it could just be happiness. could be how much they philanthropy, how much they give back, and how much they help.
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um what individual they learned, ah how they raised their children, if they have children or family um or or or or siblings. um So there's not one answer for that.
00:30:22
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ah ah For me, it's a combination of all of it. And and you know part of the book is to give back, help people with their careers or their choices. And I'll tell you, so the book has been out since the couple weeks now.
00:30:39
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And I did get a few ah people who never knew me, didn't even, never just came across it. And it has helped. So, you know, some people, you know, you get, it's also interesting because for film, I was always on the other side of the camera. So, you know, being on on this side where it's your story, it definitely sensitive ah emotionally. um So some people just like motherhood, apple pie, but I think they're not reading deep enough.
00:31:07
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Or again, it's not everything's right for everybody, but it has already helped some people. So I'm already, for me, that's that's already a success. That's great. Yeah, I can see that.
Finding Fulfillment in Helping Others
00:31:20
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I'm built in a very similar way that I think that impact and influence are in their own right, a level of success. when I help a client, when I help a friend, when I help somebody go through something by sharing my experience, my thoughts and my insights, and they reach the other side of it with success in their book,
00:31:47
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I feel like I've accomplished my my good deed for the day. You know, exactly it's a great feeling. It is a great feeling. So I think part of the book is to try to get that. I've done it for so many of my friends or their friends or associates or kids.
00:32:00
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So if I can help um other people, it's great. That's really good, Ron. Well, the for the final question here, um what what is the central message that you want to send to the world, if you could somehow broadcast in this, right, this moment, broadcast a message to the world, it could be based on the book, it could be based on anything else.
00:32:27
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What is that message you would give to everybody? Give back, work hard, and don't take yourself so seriously and and be tolerant.
00:32:39
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I love that. I love that. You know, this podcast is about the mind and the market, both the market being all things, business, all things, strategy, the mind being mindset. And, um, we rely a lot on, at least on the prefectory side, my consulting business and the voice of growth podcast.
00:33:00
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We talk a lot about, stoicism and some of those things about tolerance. That's one of the virtues is, It's not talked about a lot. You know, everybody wants to have an opinion and they want to be louder than others. And today is even worse than any other time in probably a long time.
00:33:17
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Or if someone doesn't ascribe to my way of thinking, i demonize them. I put them down and it's a horrible way to live. Right. I've listed a few your podcasts as well. Um, and I honestly really are mind opening and, and really deep thoughts and not just for listening at the time.
00:33:38
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i always look at things. Does it make you think later about it? And, um, I don't know if I i told you the one, ah you know, where sort of along your question lines, but, uh, when you die or where you go and, and, and what, what you want me remember it as? And,
00:33:56
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where where, you know, all the different things about related to that. It's really, really good one. So I think you're doing a great job. Appreciate that. And thank you for having me as well.
00:34:07
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Yeah, this has been a great conversation, Ron. I've learned a lot about you. I'm intrigued. um I want to get a copy of the book. I want to read it And I love to pass ah things like that along. I have a whole bookcase here where I have ah duplicates, triplicates of books because people come in and i'm like, take that. It's going to help you out. So appreciate your time, Ron.
00:34:29
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Thank you. And get it on Amazon or ownyoursuccessnow.com. All right. Well, look it up. Thank you very much. Cheers. Bye.