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Under the Lights: Seattle Sounders Signing of Reed Baker-Whiting is MAJOR
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It was an unceremonious rematch with Inter Miami and the Barca Boys in Matchday 34, bringing the question to the forefront: Are the Seattle Sounders nursing a Leagues Cup hangover? We'll talk about that, preview this Sunday's road showdown at Austin FC, and react to Thursday's news that Reed Baker-Whiting has signed a three-year U22 Initiative contract extension with the club.
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Introduction and Personal Note
00:00:00
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00:00:22
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Well sir, we got a scorcher today. Gonna be a real scorcher today. Why the scorcher today? Well it's gonna be scorcher.
00:00:44
Speaker
Good evening, everybody. Welcome in to another episode of Under the Lights. Got a great show for you all here tonight. We're going to be hanging out, talking some Seattle Sounders, Major League Soccer.
00:00:57
Speaker
ah Seattle Sounders are back at it, of course, on ah Sunday at Austin FC as the MLS regular season begins. gets back in full swing with a playoff positioning all to play for.
00:01:12
Speaker
ah we're going to talk about that game. we're going to talk a little bit more at the top of the show about this inner Miami game that they just played, the three one L in Fort Lauderdale.
00:01:22
Speaker
It's going to be, we we're going talking a little more hangover. Watch hangover. Watch. We're going talking about that. Uh, and then, yeah, later on in the show, previewing Austin FC a little bit. I don't know if you guys saw, but they had the, uh, the win of their lives last night.
00:01:38
Speaker
I kind of forgot that they've been, they've been making an open cup run this whole time. And they played Minnesota United in the semifinal last night at Allianz field. And they took a big old, uh, 120 minute, 20th minute game winner, just in general, a team that's playing a lot better.
00:01:55
Speaker
ah and then, uh, Maybe some league-wide headlines to to close it out, but as always, ah if you guys have any questions, topics, thoughts, agendas, anything at all that you want me to hit, go ahead and drop it in chat, and I'll let you all steer the ship as much as you would like.
00:02:14
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ah Before we get into it, do what Ryan says right here, and please like the video. Like the video, like the video, subscribe to the channel if you have not, and follow us on Instagram, TikTok, all that good stuff.
00:02:29
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ah We have more than credibility on those platforms at this point, and it's good content. So if you're not following us on Instagram and TikTok, you definitely got to do that.
00:02:40
Speaker
it is ah It's my birthday, chat. It's my birthday, and the show goes on anyway. You know you might ask, oh, it's your birthday? You're going to go out into society?
00:02:52
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and interact with real people? No, no, no, no, no. No, the show goes on. i'm a I am hanging out with my friends, all of you, my Under the Lights crew.
00:03:05
Speaker
So I'm going to celebrate this weekend. Don't worry. i'm gonna I will go out into society. will interact with real people, and I will celebrate. But i' dead i'm not I'm not canceling an Under the Lights just because it's my birthday.
00:03:20
Speaker
That ain't happening. and So... We're going to be, uh, we're going hanging out. I might, I might do a little bit of a shorter show tonight, maybe more like an hour, hour 15 or something like that, as opposed to the, to the, uh, two to three hours that I sometimes let rip for these.
00:03:38
Speaker
Uh, but we're going to, the content, the content keeps rolling. The content keeps rolling. And, uh, Nathan Jones, thank you for getting us rolling with the super train chat train for 99 with the birthday cake. Thank you.
00:03:51
Speaker
Thank you. Uh, that's That's the real reason I'm doing this show is to shamelessly plug for birthday
Reed Baker Whiting's Contract and U22 Strategy
00:03:57
Speaker
super chats. But ah in all seriousness, ah Nathan, thank you for that. Appreciate you.
00:04:03
Speaker
Yeah, I already see Techno Gatsby mentioned it in chat, but i forgot I forgot to mention as well, the Seattle Sounders were nice enough to provide us with some news. today with Reed Baker Whiting getting a contract extension. He'll be a U22 player.
00:04:18
Speaker
um So we're to talk about that actually, i think to lead it off because that was both the big news of the day. And I also don't think there's all that much discourse to be had about it. It does have implications and we'll talk about the strategy here in a second and all that.
00:04:35
Speaker
Uh, and what it means as far as if RBW is for sure, does that mean he's for sure on the team for the next three seasons? Uh, so we will, uh, we'll get into that. Thank you all for the, uh, for the birthday wishes canceling birthday trip to Miami was catastrophic to our table placement.
00:04:55
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Yeah. I mean, I,
00:04:59
Speaker
with how the game went, I was pretty glad. I was pretty happy with the decision that I made. Like, you know, the birthday in Miami, that would have been cool. But, uh, it's not like that game would have been ah been that great of a present. You know, I've, I've been to a lot of road games that haven't gone well and it's, it's whatever, like a lot of the fun of going to road games is just to get to experience the city and see how other fan bases do it and all that stuff, irrespective of how the, how the game went.
00:05:28
Speaker
So all that stuff would have been cool, but I'm not worried about it. I'll get to Miami at some point. Miami is not a, super, super duper high on my list. I do have a really good friend from high school who lives there and not getting to see him was also a bummer, but I'm not like devastated that I didn't go.
00:05:49
Speaker
If that makes sense. Uh, But ah all right. Yeah, let's ah let's get into it. I can see everyone's hankering to have the um RBW discourse. and And then we'll jump into, i like a couple more things to say about this Miami game and and Hangover Watch and kind of the stuff we were talking about on the post-game show.
00:06:13
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But I don't think that's a game that we necessarily need to super in-depth relive. I think we all understand what happened there. But I do, i on some of the ensuing discourse, I had a couple takes that I wanted to lay down.
00:06:27
Speaker
and then And then, yeah, it's all eyes on Austin FC. Big game on Sunday. Sunday night soccer. You know, that's the one that everyone's going to be watching. And ah this situation with home field advantage in the playoffs, it's going to be a dogfight now with LAFC, who we'll talk about this as well. But they played Real Salt Lake last night.
00:06:50
Speaker
to some disturbing results from my perspective. Son had a hat trick, which, ah you know, that's not a super big shock. It turns out he is quite good at soccer.
00:07:03
Speaker
You know, I knew that he was, but I never really, I haven't watched a lot of Tottenham over the years, ah but I've seen the highlights. I've heard the tales, but I've never really watched it firsthand.
00:07:17
Speaker
Week in, week out. He's very, he's very good. He's very good. He scored a hat trick. I will say, Real Salt Lake did kind of hand him a cut. If you give him wide-ass open shots like they did on a couple of those goals, that makes it a little more likely that he's going to score. So theoretically, if you don't do that, maybe you can limit him to less than a hat trick. But, I mean, either way, LAFC's stock is...
00:07:43
Speaker
decidedly up but and that's kind of he hadn't really started popping off yet and uh and he popped off and now it it just kind of made me feel like oh yeah that's something they have in their bag now that's not good but uh it's fun for them i guess i think i think he might have surpassed jay roo's mls goal scoring tally let's look that up actually that's a good point i don't think I don't think Giroux had more than two or three goals in league play. i know he had the one in the open cup. Yeah. He has literally surpassed.
00:08:18
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He surpassed. He tied Giroux's MLS goal total last night in that game. He scored the same amount of goals. That Olivier Giroud scored. To be fair, Giroud, I guess it looks like only played in 11 matches, league matches for them, which is kind of surprising.
00:08:36
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Thought he was on that team for longer. I mean, yeah, he was in the Open Cup for them, and he scored the goal that I think won them the Open Cup, did he not? So that's something that I guess they can at least point to for that. But it is, i think we're talking about a kind of different caliber of ah situation here.
00:08:52
Speaker
but uh all right let's uh let's talk about rbw thank you all for all the birthday wishes appreciate you guys uh gonna pull up this news oops right here
00:09:06
Speaker
seattle sounders signed reed baker whiting to a contract extension that's technically what it is a contract extension He was already under contract, but was going to be out out of contract. Could have signed anywhere in the world.
00:09:21
Speaker
He wouldn't have been a free agent, but he could have signed anywhere if they let the contract run out. That was never going to happen. This was always going to get done. ah You have the length here through 2028. They do have a club option for 2029.
00:09:35
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and ah RBW will occupy U22 initiative roster spot. So I think that's part of the big news with this is that is a, they technically have had these three spots open. We were only really talking about the the one of them like hunting to fill.
00:09:52
Speaker
And people were wondering, I think, why why why are people talking about it only as one spot open when they technically have three couldn't they be hunting for three noah ohios and the answer is because the assumption was that at least one potentially two of these could be used exactly like this uh obed was the one who was getting most talked about as this potentially happening that's still i don't know why that hasn't happened yet uh That should have happened already. Maybe there' there's something holding up the negotiations there. But RBW is a is another one.
00:10:28
Speaker
And i think another important thing to understand with this is that –
00:10:34
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it's you know It's a three-year extension, and that might make it sound like he's super locked in for for all three years of this, and that means he's not going to leave the Sounders. the the Signing these homegrown players to U22 contracts like this does not necessarily preclude you from if you get an offer from Europe, which RBW has been linked to at different points in time.
00:10:58
Speaker
They get that offer that that can, this does not stop that from happening. So I think that, uh, that's one thing to understand about it. And, also I was talking to Tim Foss about this when he was guest hosting, but there's, there's strategic reasons why signing a player like this to, uh,
00:11:17
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you 22, like a homegrown player, as opposed to going out and searching for somebody and scouting some up and finding somebody using it internally. There's advantages to that, that I'm not really that good at and explaining, but, uh, Tim explained it very well.
00:11:31
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can go back and listen to that. If you want the full explanation, he was talking to, uh, about it through the obed lens but i think the exact same logic
Young Players' Development and Market Value
00:11:39
Speaker
applies there's there's strategic reasons as far as negotiating with other other clubs and what number they're on and it allows the players to potentially i think make more money if they do get sold on somewhere else and there's also elements of it that are like doing right doing right by the player like giving obed a reward and ah big raise and in this case giving rbw that reward and big raise it sends i think it sends a message or this is how tim was putting it and i agree sends a message kind of about what your system's about and if you know if you apply yourself rise through the ranks and become a first stream first team contributor in the way that these guys have
00:12:27
Speaker
we'll take care of you. well We're not going like try and cut corners trying to get you on the cheapest possible number that we can. Like we're going to be good faith about rewarding our players who do do everything right, come up through the system and then make it to the first team and then make an impact for the first team. So those are kind of the reason why they would do that. If that makes sense. I think someone else ah was, I think Gatsby was calling it like lazy business.
00:12:57
Speaker
Hopefully that kind of explains like at least, why that, what the reasoning is behind why you do it for a player like this. Cause I mean, I think with these U22 spots, a lot of people think of it like, um, like a no Ohio situation. Like you should be going out and, uh,
00:13:15
Speaker
filling all three spots with players like that. That's not necessarily, that's how you can use it. And that's how a lot of teams have used it. Um, but that's not necessarily how you have to use it. And there's good, like valid reasons for why you would use this spot on a homegrown player, like RBW and not necessarily on a player like no Ohio. I will say on the, uh, on that topic though, uh,
00:13:40
Speaker
Noah Ohio obviously didn't pan out. And I was not that busted up about it because I've been saying the whole time, like, I feel like the hit rate on these U22 guys is it's already low. Like, like it's already low.
00:13:55
Speaker
It's already low. And then I, to me, it felt like if you add the fact of ah going after you 22, number nine, there's not all that much precedent for that working out aside from day on. yoitch And it just seems like it would be harder to do.
00:14:10
Speaker
And I just got the feeling the whole time that even if no Ohio did come on the team, what impact are we really expecting? Like, is it going to be like an actual guy who can lead the line or is it going to be more like a Leo choose situation where, you know, you see these flashes and this,
00:14:25
Speaker
potential, but it never really comes fully realized. The Leo Chu end of the spectrum always felt like the likeliest outcome for a player like this to me. And then, you know, if you hit the lotto, you can, you can end up, you know, finding your four, your striker of the future, or at least a guy who can lead the line for you, score a bunch of goals, maybe get sold on or whatever the case may be. So that, that's sort of how I was thinking of that. That was why I wasn't that upset about it when that whole deal fell through. But I will say, have you guys, have you guys been paying attention to Charlotte FC and what this guy Toklamani is doing?
00:15:06
Speaker
That's a U22 number nine who they weren't even playing until they sold Patrick Aghimon. And that kind of gave him the job. And that kid looks like one of, he's been one of the best number nines in the league.
00:15:21
Speaker
since he got that starting job. He's, I think he's significantly better than Patrick Aghimon. And I don't even know if that's close. He looks incredible and they've won nine straight games.
00:15:33
Speaker
They might break Seattle's, uh, win streak record that they set in 2018. So
00:15:45
Speaker
that point with point with that, with the Tokamati references, like I was looking at them. I was like, all right, that's, Maybe if you have if you have a guy who you think is more likely to be that outcome to use the U22 spot and you couldn't get it done this window, then it was then it was definitely smart to wait. I know a lot of people who probably disagree with that or don't want to hear it, but I would just much rather them feel like they have confidence that the Toklamati end of the outcome
00:16:21
Speaker
is more likely with whoever they're going for than the Leo Chu end of the outcome. It's very, it's very inexact science with that. You never know how this stuff is going to end up. Uh, Eric is asking, what could Obed's camp want that the front office isn't offering unless it's to walk?
00:16:36
Speaker
I really don't know. I have no like behind the scenes insight on those, uh, negotiations. I've heard a little bit, little bit about Rothrock. I don't really know what's up with, with Obed, why that hasn't happened yet. If that's just like a, uh,
00:16:52
Speaker
If there's actually if they're far apart or if there's a disagreement there or if it's just one of those things that takes a while. um But a lot of people expected this exact situation with RBW to happen with Obed beforehand.
00:17:06
Speaker
And it turns out RBW is the one who. Got announced first. Gatsby, thank you for the $2. Appreciate you. Honest question. Why can't you, Tsukunome, think that's his name, Tacoma Defiance, find a roster spot at Center Ford?
00:17:21
Speaker
I mean, I don't know, but ah the reason he's asking is because i believe he just broke the, yeah, he broke the Tacoma Defiance slash S2 single season goal scoring record.
00:17:35
Speaker
I think he has 17 or 18 this year for defiance or something. He's been going off the team. I, as I understand it, haven't been watching a lot of their games, but it seems like they've been struggling like for results in MLS next pro, but that kid, uh, he's been, he's been going off. He's been going off. And we saw like, uh, Osase has shown us that, uh,
00:17:59
Speaker
If you're going off an MLS Next Pro, it's not a guarantee that it's going to translate, but it did for it did for him. So that's at least one good data point where you have a ah guy at that position who developed on that team and was playing against that competition.
00:18:12
Speaker
Then you brought him up and he's he was producing. So that's an interesting one. i don't really know like how as far as how highly rated a prospect you you wi and whether whether the scouts and pundits think he's a guy, like an MLS-level talent.
00:18:29
Speaker
But he's certainly producing like one for ah defiance. So I think with with this year, it's like he would not have... There wouldn't be a lot of minutes for him, like with Osaze breaking in.
00:18:44
Speaker
But if he keeps banging in goals, he's going to get an opportunity somewhere. Yeah, a lot physically smaller than D-Row. So... And yes, Joey, yeah I think you're talking about Toklamati. He is a U22. He's 21.
00:19:00
Speaker
He's 21, and he looks like one of the best number nines in the league. So I'm just like, man. i mean, you got him. You got Jovulich. That's the type of guy that Seattle are trying to – what they were trying to do with the know No Ohio thing is something like that.
00:19:18
Speaker
And it didn't – the deal fell through, obviously. But I don't know. I guess I was kind of just thinking of it as like, it's not impossible. It's just such a dart throw to get in number nine at that spot, but maybe not Charlotte FC cooked, they cooked. And now they're apparently unbeatable and they got Toklamati banging in goals for fun.
00:19:42
Speaker
So it would be, it would be sick to have a player like that. I'm not even going lie. Like say for the sake of argument that, uh, Seattle had been the ones to get Toclamati, and that was who they got for the U22 spot.
00:19:55
Speaker
but mean, that would be incredible. It be incredible to have that kid on the team.
00:20:02
Speaker
Yutzukunome is kind of like a Dempsey or a Jesus Ferreira type. Yeah, that's kind of, I mean, i haven't watched him play that much, but exactly. He's not he's not like ah he's not like a D-row, prototypical, more target number nine, right?
00:20:19
Speaker
Musavsky likely leaves the year's end. Would you get a look at his offseason as replacement? Someone asked Brian if he rates him. um The Moose thing, we've talked we've talked about that a little bit. like He does have an option for next year, I believe is the situation.
00:20:34
Speaker
um But
00:20:38
Speaker
if I was Moose's agent, i would I'd be like, hey, guys, have you seen this stat sheet? Have you seen this stat sheet? Have you seen what my guy's getting paid?
00:20:52
Speaker
Have you seen what he's getting paid? Did you see how much Atlanta United spent on Emmanuel Latte Law? You see how many goals he has compared to my guy? You see that?
00:21:02
Speaker
Let's talk. That's my impression of Moose's agent. That's, I mean, he'd be silly not to. The guy has 14 goals in league play. 16 all-comps.
00:21:17
Speaker
He's going bananas. He's scoring goals at the rate that gets you paid a lot of money. And I've been saying too, there are so many of these poorly run teams out there who could just use a guy like Moose.
00:21:29
Speaker
Like Toronto and Atlanta, I know those ones are the ones I always talk about, but it's like, bro, you don't need to spend $22 million on Latte Law. That's not, that provenly isn't the thing that's going to make a difference for you one way or the other.
00:21:46
Speaker
You need to find like the moose type guy and throw your resources at like your spine, your, your, your defense, your defensive midfielders, maybe like a winger. That's not 32 year old Miguel Amirone, who I, I definitely didn't call that the best signing that any mean any MLS club made over, over the off season.
00:22:07
Speaker
I didn't say that.
00:22:12
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Baby Corka. He's on 500 He's on 500K scoring goals like a $10 million dollars transfer.
00:22:26
Speaker
They could have spent an unlimited amount of money on a U22 number nine or this Roos Neck upgrade that people were always talking about. And if that guy put up Moose numbers, everyone would be hailing the Seattle Sounders as the most bitious ambitious club in the nation, in the world.
00:22:45
Speaker
But if Moose does it, okay. It doesn't count. It doesn't count because it's Moose.
00:22:52
Speaker
I don't want Moose to go to Atlanta or one of those teams. I do think there's probably something to the notion that
00:23:02
Speaker
a number nine like that, or really any number nine, a lot of the times how successful they are ultimately comes down to the types of chances that their team is generating.
00:23:14
Speaker
And if you don't like this, Sounders team has been elite at chance creation this year, certainly since Club World Cup. And it seems like a number nine's dream. You go to a way worse team.
00:23:26
Speaker
That probably hampers the situation. That's the argument that the Sounders would make. When when Moose's agent does the thing that I was talking about. Look at my guy. Look at the stat sheet.
00:23:39
Speaker
Sounders go, look at our, look at this XG we're generating for him. Look at all that XG. You see that XG?
00:23:50
Speaker
We love him. We love him. We love Moose. But I mean, look at all these, look at all these channels. It would be it'd be a fun negotiation to be a ah little fly on the wall.
00:24:02
Speaker
see what the art, what arguments get made there. I feel like that's always tough as a team because it's like, you're trying to kind of sandbag your own, own player.
00:24:12
Speaker
No, he's not that valuable. We don't have to pay him that much.
00:24:19
Speaker
No, has been a member for nine months. That's it.
00:24:23
Speaker
But thank you. Thank you, everyone. Thank you everyone for the birthday wishes. I wouldn't I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. But with my under the lights crew on my birthday, what a what a fantastic happenstance.
00:24:37
Speaker
That this was on a Thursday. Moose has 14 goals from 14.1 x g is he washed. It's funny stat.
00:24:51
Speaker
Ari, now you got me looking at the standard hard salary cap page. Some people making a lot in some way underpaid. Drop them in the, uh, drop the funny ones, drop the funny ones that you think are, uh, like don't match, drop them in the chat.
00:25:05
Speaker
See what we think. Or maybe I'll pull that page up at some point. I did have one more thing I wanted to say about RBW, which is that, um, he, he earned this through his play on the field, which I think,
00:25:21
Speaker
is important to point out here because he's looked, he has improved over the course of the year. And you had a lot of people out there, especially after the club world cup, we're like getting on his case after he was,
00:25:34
Speaker
playing against literally Atletico Madrid. That was the funny thing about it. It was right after the Atletico Madrid game, which he started ah because Nuhu got benched for his little crash out in the Botafogo game.
00:25:45
Speaker
RBW started against one of the best teams from Spain like ever and had a couple sequences where he was like maybe a little out of out of position. Someone got in behind him and he he got you got burned a couple times maybe. I don't even remember.
00:26:03
Speaker
People were all up on his case. Why does everyone rate RBW? What do we do? Bench him forever. like we had We had a whole crash out brigade over this. And I said at the time, you guys need to, you're up here.
00:26:19
Speaker
You need to be like way down here on the RBW crash out. He was 19 at the time.
00:26:28
Speaker
He had a decent amount of MLS experience, but realistically, he's had some injuries and has never really gotten fully rolling in MLS until really
Seattle Sounders' Performance and Challenges
00:26:39
Speaker
like this year.
00:26:41
Speaker
So he's out there against Atletico Madrid, age 19.
00:26:46
Speaker
Not all that much experience under his belt, like still getting his feet under him as a pro. And you got people crashing out because he got beat on defense like two or three times against Atletico Madrid.
00:26:58
Speaker
it's It's just a lesson in that ah if you're if you're serious about developing young players and you want your team to be good at developing young players, you have to give them chances to play. And on top of giving them chances to play,
00:27:19
Speaker
you have to live with growing pain. Sometimes you got to live with some mistakes. You got to live with sometimes where they make a defensive error or a mental error or miscue.
00:27:30
Speaker
And then they learn from it and they improve. They become a better player for it. Watch RBW play now compared to even that Atletico Madrid game. He's way better. His defense. I think, I don't know. Tell me if you agree or disagree. I feel like his defense has been good lately.
00:27:46
Speaker
Like not just, passable, but like good. Like his, his one V one defending. have not seen him getting like regularly cooked in a way that's hurt the team at all.
00:28:01
Speaker
Uh, his positioning, it seems like he is again, learned and improved, gotten better at that. So
00:28:11
Speaker
just i think Just for any of the RBW crash out brigade, just friendly advice next time. special The Atletico Madrid aspect was ah was the craziest part of that.
00:28:27
Speaker
I'd like to see
00:28:30
Speaker
any members of that crash out brigade age 19 go out there against Atletico Madrid. See how that goes for you. See how that goes for you. I know myself at 19 probably wouldn't have fared too well against Atletico Madrid in like ah and an actual, not a friendly, like an actual competition where they're playing hard.
00:28:52
Speaker
I loved watching him play in that in that game, even though there was times where he was where he was struggling a little bit. like the There was the play where he got called for a penalty and then they waved it off.
00:29:06
Speaker
on VAR because they were like, oh, wait, that was actually good defense. But he was he was under it out there. That guy was, whatever winger that was, or whoever it might have been the son of Simeone.
00:29:18
Speaker
I think it was. He was going at it with that guy. like They were jostling for position on the on the touchline. RBW was trying to like shield him off, got called as a foul in the box. It turned out it wasn't a penalty. that's ah That was great.
00:29:34
Speaker
Yeah, he was he was under pressure, but that's that's what you want. You want him in situations like that to learn from that.
00:29:43
Speaker
And he didn't even give up the penalty. That was the other thing.
00:29:47
Speaker
People were talking about it like that penalty got awarded. It didn't. It got taken off. they went They went and looked at the replay, and they were like, no, that's good defense. 21 D'd up right there.
00:29:58
Speaker
He won that 1v1, which was insane. That was against... ah
00:30:04
Speaker
If it was Simeone, I can't remember. The son of Simeone is hella good. That kid is, he's a demon out there. You all saw it. I remember that.
00:30:15
Speaker
So RBW extension, the u twenty two spot that he's taken up. I think it's all, I think it's all good news.
00:30:26
Speaker
And again, like I said, it doesn't preclude him from going to Europe if they get a good offer. Um, this helps him out in that event. I think make more money, which, like I said, you want to do right by your player.
00:30:41
Speaker
You want to do right by your players in this, these types of situations because it, uh, what's the, what's the phrase creates goodwill creates goodwill. And it shows the other young kids in the Academy coming up.
00:30:55
Speaker
Like if I, if I lock in and I apply myself,
00:31:01
Speaker
and I play well and maintain the principles and the identity and all that, I'll get taken care of eventually. So I think the the main thing at this point is waiting to see if they do that ah for Obed.
00:31:15
Speaker
I think both of them are expected to go to the U-20 World Cup. I don't think the U.S. roster's been announced yet, but i'd be i think I think there was something from J.O.
00:31:27
Speaker
where RBW was like still pondering the and invite or something, maybe. But either way, the rosters aren't aren't out. But I imagine he's been in that mix, so he's probably going.
00:31:39
Speaker
And Obed, same situation. I'd imagine he's going to, which they're going to to miss MLS games for that. So that's going to have to be dealt with, but it's good to have your players in the mix for, for stuff like that.
00:31:59
Speaker
RBW starter next year, Craig, why Craig wives talking about game? And I wonder how much we get for do. ah Yeah. I don't know. I mean,
00:32:11
Speaker
It seems like ah he's at least going to be in the rotation. this year i think i think he is ah I think he's earned that. New who's still the starter at that spot.
00:32:24
Speaker
But you've got to get RBW his run because if he actually becomes ah consistently locked down defensive player, the upside on what he can be is extremely high. And that's why investing in in him could pay off.
00:32:42
Speaker
so handsomely because how i mean how many years have we been talking about how we want to see like that that Jovan Jones, Brad Smith style of attacking wingback at that spot on this team?
00:32:56
Speaker
Nuhu, God bless him. Not exactly as his skill set. I will say, i do think that Nuhu has meaningfully improved in that department. more than gets talked about. like He still gets talked about as this total zero in attack.
00:33:12
Speaker
And he actually hasn't been this year. He's got, I'm going to look it up right now. I know for sure he's set his career high in goal contributions. That's for damn sure. Yeah. So he's got, he's got one goal, two assists, which, you know, that's not 2016 Jovan Jones or anything, but that's better. That's better than he ever put up before. That's three goal contributions from your defense first left back.
00:33:35
Speaker
It's not terrible. And he also had the goal against Cruz Azul in, uh, in league's cup. So four goal contributions out of new who, I mean, that's kind of fire. That's, that's like a, on the curve,
00:33:50
Speaker
but like RBW is already ah better a better attacking wing back than new who's ever been. I think he only has the one assist, but that he got a couple of weeks ago, but I've, I've seen enough, like, uh,
00:34:03
Speaker
his His wide service is very good. and Like yeah on the assist, the first assist of his career against SKC a couple weeks ago that he did get. That's type of stuff that he can do. I think probably at a more consistently high level than the new who can do it. The difference has been RBW's defense, I think, is a work in progress.
00:34:25
Speaker
That at least to me, when he was playing earlier this season, seemed to be the biggest thing that he needed to work on. And he's worked on it. He's gotten better at it. So kind of what we're, what I'm looking to see, I guess, for the rest of the season is when he does get his run.
00:34:40
Speaker
How does he look as a defender? I think that's the biggest question. I don't really have questions as to his acumen as a, ah as an attacking wingback. I think he's shown that, that he can do that. And he's shown also that he can even play up a line.
00:34:54
Speaker
He was not a, a wingback in the academy.
00:35:00
Speaker
Or really, i think for Defiance, too, he was playing in a more advanced role. Maybe they moved him to wingback there when that became clear that's what his um MLS position would be. But it's not necessarily what he's been his entire development.
00:35:13
Speaker
He's been...
00:35:17
Speaker
playing as a winger. I think he was even like a center mid for a while. He's kind of played all over. So, uh, good stuff to hear about RBW. I don't know. I don't really have any, uh, any more takes on it than that. I was glad to see it happen. I think it's probably, it was overdue.
00:35:33
Speaker
Get Obed done next. And, uh, still, uh, still maybe have the, the no Ohio spot that wasn't for, for the next window.
00:35:47
Speaker
So let's see what happens. ah All right. Next topic. Next topic for the night chat. Let's keep it pushing. ah I wanted to talk about Hangover Watch little more. Let's talk about Hangover Watch.
00:36:04
Speaker
I placed the squad on Hangover Watch after this Miami game. And I think some people got it twisted
00:36:15
Speaker
that we were, like, saying that they're – it's Hangover Watch. It's Hangover Watch. came It came to my attention that there was actually an Austin FC podcast talking about this.
00:36:26
Speaker
Lobbing Scorchers came up. got sent to me. Uh, and originally I was going to play the clip and react to it, but I'm not, I don't think I'm going that because, uh, they were like, they were minorly clowning on us a little bit and I don't want to make it like a, a rivalry or rivalry thing. i'm not interested in that.
00:36:45
Speaker
Or like have, you know, people from our chat, like going to their chat or, or whatever they were, uh, they, they clowned on us like a tiny bit. And, uh,
00:36:57
Speaker
Basically, they were they were talking about Hangover Watch. I'm just going to relay to you guys what they said, and then I'm going to tell you what I think of it. They were talking about the concept of Hangover Watch. They watched the show, so shout out to them. Or they said that ah they saw the title of this stream, which at one point was, are the Seattle Sounders hungover before the RBW news?
00:37:17
Speaker
um But they were basically ah mocking the concept of Hangover Watch. And their kind of point was like, you guys just won Leagues Cup like a week and a half ago.
00:37:32
Speaker
You had one unfortunate ending to the, to the game in the, against the l LA galaxy where you dropped a couple of points, literally the first game after you won league's cup and then lost a road match to Miami where you had to fly across the country. They had every incentive to like beat the shit out of you for vengeance or settling the score.
00:37:54
Speaker
ah So you lose that game too. and you And you're talking about hangover watch, like kind of like a, are people not grateful for stuff anymore type of sentiment is kind of how I ah ah i took it.
00:38:08
Speaker
And my thought on that is it's actually a good point. There's actually a good point to be to be made there. I probably let the Miami match yeah me feel get me feeling a little more down than I probably should have.
00:38:28
Speaker
The whole League's Cup final and how they did that, taking down Lionel Messi and the Barca boys at home in front of 70k winning the trophy and then them crashing out and starting the brawl afterwards stuff like that is like a big part of the reason that like we do this show is like the chase of moments like that so these these two games after it weren't the most fun of uh of all time
00:39:02
Speaker
But they probably shouldn't diminish. i don't know if it should diminish the cloud nine just yet. It's not to say that the subsequent results don't matter.
00:39:14
Speaker
It's just like, ah you know, there's no, why are you talking about hangover watch? The thing I'll say about that is we weren't calling them hungover. It's hangover watch.
00:39:27
Speaker
Okay. And that is if they saw what happened in 2022,
00:39:34
Speaker
they would not be talking about that so dismissively. Okay. You guys all remember that. All right. And I think the the only yeah
00:39:46
Speaker
hangover watch is just, or just the concept of a hangover is just something that any team that goes on a deep run in any tournament is going to have to reckon with. it It wasn't just Seattle in 2022.
00:39:57
Speaker
We've seen this time and again over MLS history, mostly clubs from CONCACAF Champions League. where they make a deep run and it it messes with their but their league season for whatever reason that you want to name.
00:40:13
Speaker
The physical toll, a
Inter Miami Game and Messi's Influence
00:40:14
Speaker
lot of guys get injured. To me, it's it's a lot more about the the psychology of it. Playing a mid-season tournament, an in-season tournament that's that high stakes, making a deep run, and in this case winning it,
00:40:31
Speaker
and then going back to league play and maintaining the intensity that you need week in, week out, that is a that is a challenge. That is part of the biggest challenge of returning to lead the to the league after a big tournament like this.
00:40:46
Speaker
um But what I will say is that while the ah the premise of Hangover Watch is valid and it is going to have to be reckoned with in the coming weeks, what I was getting at earlier, this Miami game is not evidence of that.
00:41:02
Speaker
i Now a couple days removed from it, time to time to recalibrate.
00:41:10
Speaker
that gay They could have had all the rest. They could have three weeks of rest to get everyone healthy and then played that game as their first game back.
00:41:22
Speaker
And that was always going to be one of the hardest games of the season. leagues cup notwithstanding i remember looking at the schedule at the beginning of the year and uh looking for inner miami because i was like oh is the seattle didn't play messy last year gonna play him this year and i saw that it was on the road like three days after a galaxy game or whatever and i was like that's probably an you know you go through the schedule you're like looking at what's winnable what what's going to be more challenging. That was, if you asked before the start of the season, what's going to be the hardest game of the entire season without even knowing about the league's cup variable, I would have said that game because in the length of the road trip and you're playing the greatest player of all time and three of his boys who are like top five all-time players at their respective positions.
00:42:18
Speaker
The degree of difficulty on that is insanely high. And it was made even even higher by the League's Cup variable. Because you played all these extra games in the tournament, number one, and number two, you ended up beating the shit out of them to the point where they they were out for vengeance.
00:42:43
Speaker
So that even to it.
00:42:46
Speaker
And I think the end result of that was a game where, based on how the League's Cup final went, I think i probably misassessed how difficult that was that was going to be when you combine all those variables.
00:43:03
Speaker
That's just... ah That was part of what made this a unique situation. But is these road games in MLS, especially ones where you have to travel that far...
00:43:17
Speaker
sohar It's the most difficult thing like about about the league. Every team has to deal with it. We see it every year. Every team's home and road splits are usually, at least the good teams, they're their home record is really, really good, and everyone's road record is kind of bad.
00:43:33
Speaker
I've always kind of looked at it that like five, six... road wins a year is the baseline of what you need to target. You need to win five or six of them to feel good about your chances of home field advantage. And honestly, more like seven, if you can get to that seven, eight range,
00:43:53
Speaker
then that's like a good season of road form. Seattle won eight road games last year. That was one thing that they did well last year. And historically, Seattle's a team that travels well. And the teams that travel well are the are the best teams in this league. The best teams in this league are the ones that can be thrown into situations like that where you got crazy travel.
00:44:16
Speaker
When you got to do it with an injured... rotated lineup and you can still take results. The best teams in the league are able to do that. Uh, the teams that aren't actual contenders, you'll probably see that their road record is usually trash.
00:44:34
Speaker
That's how it goes. But that brings me to my next point, which is just this, this whole idea coming off the Miami game that they, that they settled the score. or got revenge, got their vengeance for what happened in League's Cup. I've been seeing that ah um've been seeing that flying around a little bit.
00:44:52
Speaker
I've been seeing that permeating. They got them back. We had a couple, to be fair, I will say, their fan base has not chirped that much to what I've seen.
00:45:05
Speaker
I think even as far as like the brawl goes, I haven't seen very many inter Miami fans, uh, like defending that. I was expecting to see that more than I did, but it was kind of funny to look around and see, ah you know, the, the battered Herons guys who, uh, we, we collabed with them before the game. And, uh, I watched a couple of the other shows and they pretty much to a man were like, we hate Luis Suarez too.
00:45:32
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:35
Speaker
Like that that was really embarrassing and he's an absolute maniac for that. And he embarrassed the whole class. Stuff like that was much more of the sentiment coming out of the inter-Miami fan base after the League's Cup final.
00:45:50
Speaker
But we did have a couple of comments like on our shorts or like on the video of Schmetzer, given the Rothrock quote that we posted. We had a couple of like, I think it was more messy fans than Miami fans. It was messy fans.
00:46:03
Speaker
that retroactively commented on on a couple of our videos and were like, oh, see, like, what's up now? What's up now? 3-1.
00:46:15
Speaker
Messi got you 3-1. He got you back. It's back in his favor now. See that? See what happened in that game?
00:46:25
Speaker
Which, okay. i'm just I'm not going to let that narrative... fly around unchallenged. All right.
00:46:37
Speaker
And to be honest with you, I'm not even really sure what we're talking about with this. Like, do i do we really need to explain ah the ah contrast in stakes between these two matches?
00:46:54
Speaker
One of them was a cup final. One of those games had a trophy on the line. It was not the one that got played in Fort Lauderdale. All right.
00:47:07
Speaker
One of those matches had a trophy on the line. One of them did not. And i'll take I'll take the result that Seattle got. I would trade a lot of ah of bad results for that final that that Seattle got to host and win.
00:47:26
Speaker
But I would certainly trade a 3-1 L in Fort Lauderdale. for that every single day of the week.
00:47:36
Speaker
Every single day of the week. There's just no, there's no comparison.
00:47:43
Speaker
Now, you know, if if ah if they feel like in their locker room or their fans want to say, oh, you know, that one that one't felt good. That was cathartic. Like, they got us in the final. And, they you know, that's that sucks. And we also embarrassed ourselves and our whole organization.
00:47:58
Speaker
The spitting incident.
00:48:02
Speaker
But, you know, getting them back with a little 3-1 at our house in the next league game, that feels good. I mean, that's valid. That's valid, and they
00:48:12
Speaker
mean like they they cooked in that game.
00:48:17
Speaker
They got Seattle good in that game. Seattle got them way better in the League's Cup Final at Lumen. I mean, come on now.
00:48:27
Speaker
Come on now. What are we talking about?
00:48:32
Speaker
i I would have ah fully committed to the lineup rotation for that game as a statement.
00:48:40
Speaker
Schmidt said that was one of his ah answers in the press conference. He was like, I would have rotated more, but because we dropped the points in the Galaxy game, felt like we had to go for it a little more.
00:48:51
Speaker
And the way I heard that was like, that's why he started Christian and Rothrock who, I mean, those two guys as examples, they looked, they looked pretty gassed in the Miami game. They look gassed.
00:49:04
Speaker
They're making the types of mistakes that you make when you're gassed. That's what was happening.
00:49:11
Speaker
Christian had the giveaway that led to the first goal. I would argue, I was watching i was watching these goals back again. I'd argue he got put in a pretty bad spot. He got the ball in a pretty bad spot. It was one of those ones where he got the ball and he was like pretty much already under pressure. like He already had a guy on him.
00:49:29
Speaker
So he could have handled it better, but it was also, I think it was Obed who passed it to him. Whoever passed it to him is like also at fault in that situation, in my opinion. But he had a he had a few other giveaways on top of that.
00:49:43
Speaker
That to me, it's like when we've seen Christian has been the best player at that position in the entire league all year.
00:49:51
Speaker
And when he when he's on his game, when he's fully fit and not dealing with... ah the 3,500 minutes or whatever now that he's got on his body. hes doesn't He's not going to make mistakes like that. He doesn't make mistakes like that.
00:50:11
Speaker
So I know hindsight's 20-20. It's Monday morning monday morning quarterbacking.
00:50:19
Speaker
But hopefully this is my agenda for this, man. Like, Snyder B can start games. until Until shown that his inexperience...
00:50:32
Speaker
is a liability to the point where you need to pick and choose like when he, where he plays more. Like I free him.
00:50:40
Speaker
Maybe that's overconfident, but I'm, I'm, when I watch, when i watch Snyder be play, I'm like looking for reasons that his inexperience could be an issue just because that's what you uh that's what you worry about with a player as young as this with this little experience is like you know it's one thing to to rip it up in mls next pro it's one thing to rip it up when you're coming up in the academy it's another thing when you're out there in this case against like leonel messi and the gang
00:51:18
Speaker
Snyder B has shown me absolutely nothing to suggest that he can't handle playing an MLS. That doesn't mean that, uh, things could go, can't go wrong. He did. He had, he had one bad giveaway in this game too, where maybe you saw that experience a little bit, but I mean, we're talking about bad giveaways in this game as reasons for, uh,
00:51:46
Speaker
why guys can't play, then there'd be a lot of guys sitting the next game. Okay, like, he wasn't the only one who had a giveaway in that match. And then also on top of that, other than that, every time I've watched him play,
00:52:05
Speaker
it's not only, not only is he holding his own, but I really feel like sometimes, to tell me if you think I'm going over the top. I really feel like his presence on the field is like contributing to elevating the team's level in a lot of ways. Like, you know, honestly, i would say in similar ways to, uh, to how Obed elevates the team's level.
00:52:34
Speaker
Like he's got some of that same stuff in his bag. As far as what I mean by that is like his, that ability to get the ball in tight spaces wiggle out of pressure, release a pass that gets the attack going,
00:52:51
Speaker
Like he's super sharp in possession. Doesn't, he doesn't lose the ball a lot. His giveaway was on a, on a pass. Like it wasn't like he got knocked off the ball. He also, he looked, he is a good ball winner. It looks like he had at least two instances in this Miami game where he just ran up behind a guy and took the ball off him one possession and got it going the other way. And one of those guys was, it was literally messy. who He got the ball off of messy. Didn't see him. And I don't think knew that there was a
00:53:22
Speaker
There was a guy like on his hip like that. But I mean, he just possessed Lionel Messi. Come on. That's like, he'll probably remember that for the rest of his life, even though Messi forgot about it four seconds later.
00:53:41
Speaker
Thanks for the birthday wishes, guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
00:53:46
Speaker
Appreciate you guys. I'm probably not going to...
00:53:51
Speaker
stay on all that much longer due to the birthday factor, but I'll go, I'll go at least, uh, like an hour. And, uh, if I, if I get super cooking on something, I'll probably end up going an hour and a half.
00:54:06
Speaker
I always say I'm going to get off and then I end up ripping for like three hours, but, uh, I might actually call it in, uh, an early night.
00:54:18
Speaker
I think it's going to be Obed next, Wade. think it's going to be Obed next. i'm I'm surprised it wasn't Obed first.
00:54:26
Speaker
I'm surprised it wasn't Obed first. It kind of makes me feel like ah i don't i yeah like I have nothing to base this on. But them getting RBW done and Obed's not done, it just may it just feels like they're, I've been wondering if there was some kind of hang up or maybe they just weren't doing it yet.
00:54:47
Speaker
feels like there's no reason to not do it, right? No reason to not do it. Now RBW just did it. What's going Is there some, we got beef?
00:54:58
Speaker
Agent and GM not seeing an eye to eye on something? Let's go, why are we not?
00:55:05
Speaker
Why we not doing this?
00:55:08
Speaker
Let's talk about this from Clayton. This was my next topic. I want to talk about Austin FC a little bit ah because they're coming off a hell of a game. Like I said, I totally forgot about their open cup.
00:55:19
Speaker
I totally forgot about their open cup run.
00:55:23
Speaker
um they're hosting the final now. They're hosting the final now because they beat Minnesota United. So I want to talk about that game first because win the right to host the final.
00:55:35
Speaker
They beat Minnesota United in in extra time. 120th minute game winner. It 1-1 in minute. someone Faudry,
00:55:45
Speaker
minute game winner was one one in the hundred and twentieth minute and someone someone named c j faudre scored the game winner. I don't know who that is. I do look it up. Very rare, very rare that, uh, I see in an MLS name that I haven't at least heard before.
00:56:04
Speaker
ah never heard of CJ Faudry. Uh, turns out he is, uh, a 2023 MLS super draft pick out of San Diego state who, uh, was ripping it up for MLS next pro. I think, as I understand it for the last couple of years, just now kind of breaking into the first team, sort of like, uh,
00:56:25
Speaker
their version of the osaze situation he's a little younger than osaza uh but it's just like a internally developed and brought up a striker who they had out there in the U S open cup semifinals. And he bagged a hundred hundred and 20 minute, 120 minute game winner at Minnesota United. This was at Allianz field to send them to the U S open cup final.
00:56:47
Speaker
um Which was great to see. I've, I've made a decision chat. I made a decision. I'm anti Minnesota United. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm over it.
00:57:01
Speaker
I just, I don't like them. i don't like them. The way they do it, it works. I can't knock the effectiveness. It works. And honestly, to be fair in this game, I was looking at it. I didn't really see the whole game. I saw some of it and I saw the very end, ah but they were, it looks like if you looked at the numbers at the end of the game, usually a Minnesota United game is going to be them with 30% possession. The other team with 70, that's literally how they've been doing it this year.
00:57:29
Speaker
it was more like 54 46. So they were not seemingly as committed to these weird anti-possession tactics. that they used in the Seattle game.
00:57:41
Speaker
Like you guys remember what that Seattle game was like, that was like, it's just so extreme. It's so extreme and being the type of team that yields a lot of possession and tries to hit you on the counter and set pieces. That's nothing new, but the way they do it is like over the top, dude.
00:58:01
Speaker
They give the other team 70% of the ball and literally just sit there. They say, all right, you do whatever you want to do with that.
00:58:12
Speaker
We've talked a lot about Seattle's press. Ain't no press on that team when they're playing like that. They sit there and they're like, you knocking around. i mean, we got everyone over here. So knock it around. That's what they did to Seattle at home, which is the other thing. I'm like, you play like you guys play like this at home.
00:58:31
Speaker
Really? i know it works, but God damn.
00:58:38
Speaker
They just let you knock the ball around. You can't do anything with it because they're just sitting there watching you do it.
00:58:48
Speaker
and And then they either hit you on a counter, which they're really good at, or they get you on ah set piece, which they're globally elite at.
00:59:01
Speaker
the I don't know if this is still true, there was a period of time where the efficiency with which they were converting their set pieces was like the best in the world out of any team, not just an MLS team. They are God tier on set pieces.
00:59:15
Speaker
And they have ridden that formula all year to, uh, to great effect. Weirdly. I don't understand how and it's I mean, maybe that's why I don't like it. Cause I just don't understand it.
00:59:26
Speaker
Like,
00:59:29
Speaker
How do you go that over the top with it and it works this well? But I've been feeling like, I've been feeling like the whole time. I've been feeling like the whole time. Like there's no, there's just no way. Like I know they're second in the West. They've been second in the West all year.
00:59:43
Speaker
There's no way you can win a trophy like this. There's no way.
00:59:47
Speaker
I refuse to believe it. i refuse to believe it. At some point you need to be able to play with the ball. Like,
00:59:55
Speaker
you You can't 30% possession and counter and set piece your way to an MLS Cup. I refuse to believe in that.
01:00:07
Speaker
But every every time I've talked about how I refuse to believe in it, I look up at the end of the match day and they've won again. They they literally they just beat San Diego FC, one of the best teams in the league, on the road, 3-0.
01:00:20
Speaker
It's a phenomenal... It's funny because it's a phenomenal way to play in a tough road game. Like, honestly, man, like if Seattle was able to play like that in the Miami game, that's the kind of stuff you have to do in these in these road games sometimes.
01:00:35
Speaker
But then you know it's not like a tactic they bust out on the road. It's just like their identity. It's just how they play. It's their baseline of how they play.
01:00:44
Speaker
It's... I don't like it. I don't i don't like it. Rubs me the wrong way. Maybe that's sour grapes over how ah over how the Seattle game went when they went there and played that team. and i like wherere Do you guys remember that game? You guys remember this game?
01:01:01
Speaker
like There was so many points. It's the one match Seattle lost since Club World Cup until the Miami game. There were so many points in that game where i was like what am I watching right now? like Seattle would get the ball. Seattle's press, I thought, was really good in that game for the most part.
01:01:20
Speaker
They would win the ball, and then it was just like, the game would like die. it It would die. It would be like Yamar standing on it. Like, is anyone going okay, I'll kick it to, what do we even do with this?
01:01:32
Speaker
like It's like awkward.
01:01:37
Speaker
I don't like it. Rubs me the wrong way. Definitely think it's weird that they still play like that when they're at home. I don't know if there was, like at first I was like, maybe it's because maybe it's because it's Seattle.
01:01:51
Speaker
you know Seattle's a team that I think other opponents, when they're coming into their building, they're like, all right, we got maybe play this a little differently.
01:02:03
Speaker
But I've watched them play a fair amount. It's like just how they play. They didn't do it as much in ah in this Austin FC game. Apparently, according to the possession stats, Minnesota had 46 percent possession in that game, which that I mean, that's fire for them.
01:02:22
Speaker
That's probably the biggest number they put up all season. Eric Ramsey after the game was probably 46. we 30. We play at 30. 46 is unacceptable. way thirty forty six is unacceptable
01:02:39
Speaker
They didn't do it as much. They had 46% possession, but they lost. They lost. like they It's the first first data point I have of like it's this isn't going to win you a trophy.
01:02:54
Speaker
You've somehow got to second in the West. The players, of to be fair, like they are really good at executing it. They've clearly bought into it and are good at executing it. But the question that they have to reckon with is can we really win a trophy?
01:03:08
Speaker
like this Maybe they can. Maybe I'll be proven wrong.
01:03:15
Speaker
But they're over one
01:03:19
Speaker
Going for a trophy with those tactics. CJ Fadri. 120th minute.
01:03:29
Speaker
Game winner. Shout out San Diego Aztecs. And I was happy to see it. It's all a long way of saying. was happy to see them take down Minnesota.
01:03:41
Speaker
I just think when, uh, the term I've been using the whole time with it is gimmick feels gimmicky. And the thing about a gimmick is that
01:03:53
Speaker
once other teams figure out the gimmick, they create blueprints to combat it.
01:04:02
Speaker
And then it doesn't work anymore. Remember, uh, the, uh, uh,
01:04:11
Speaker
the elders among us remember, remember in like ah the early, early 2010s when the Miami dolphins were doing like the wildcat offense where they were snapping the ball straight to Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams.
01:04:26
Speaker
God, those are sick name drops. Taking myself back, dating myself here. They were snapping the ball to Cadillac and just letting him run. And it was like ripping it for like six weeks. It was incredible.
01:04:40
Speaker
And then it got scouted up and then it hasn't worked since. kind of what I felt like this situation was.
01:04:50
Speaker
Like, But the thing was, no one was, no one is figuring out the, the blueprint. Yeah. NCAA football 2005. I can't believe that's kind of a peek into how my brain works.
01:05:10
Speaker
Can't tell you any useful information, but I can tell you who was running the wildcat offense for the, uh, Miami dolphins in 2009.
01:05:21
Speaker
When your whole system is premised on a gimmick, on a bit like this, other teams figure out blueprints. They figure out how to stop it. No one had been able to has been able to do that to Minnesota United this year, which is part of what's been frustrating me. And I don't really think Austin FC unlocked a formula in this game.
01:05:40
Speaker
This was a game where they were up one zero gave up the equalizer, and it was just like, it was ah it was a dogfight to the very end, and they nicked the... ah the game winner so i definitely don't think it's a situation where minnesota united have been fully stopped or figured out where the blueprint's been established um but austin fc beat him at alliance so let's see let's see maybe make maybe eric ramsey's gonna do some soul searching think about what he's done
01:06:13
Speaker
he he like eric ramsey when they hired him I remember I was on that Zoom, his like first Zoom call, and I was like, this guy this guy is sharp. like He probably knows what's up.
01:06:25
Speaker
And then i wasn't really watching them a lot, but I saw they were taking results, and I was like, okay, he must actually be the guru. And then this year it's become gradually clear that he has imparted just these like tactics that are way out there.
01:06:38
Speaker
And I swear he's trolling. ah How could you watch that game when they were playing Seattle and not be like, is this this is a bit right now?
01:06:50
Speaker
This is a bit
01:06:56
Speaker
Ronda Rousey theorem doing one great thing will make you great. And then immediately make you inferior. The minute someone checks your chin. Yeah. It's good way of putting it. Um, as far as how Austin beating Minnesota in that game affects this game on Sunday,
01:07:15
Speaker
I mean, they did. Let's pull up their lineup right now, actually. Let's take a look at this. Let's see who they put out there in this Minnesota game and like how rotated it was, stuff like that.
01:07:31
Speaker
Pulling that up right now. Okay.
01:07:39
Speaker
Here it is. All right. This is the Austin FC lineup for this open cup game against Minnesota. I know i can, I can tell you guys if you don't know how much rotation this was or what this will look like. I mean, to me, this looks very first choice.
01:07:58
Speaker
This is pretty much first choice. Stuver is one of their, is their number one goalkeeper. He's one of the best in the league. Not sure about this. It looks like they were running like a back five situation.
01:08:12
Speaker
Not sure about this third CB if he's a starter, but I know Cascante ah at least has been a starter for them at times. I don't know if he has been this year, um but he has been a starter for them. And I know Heinzeich,
01:08:27
Speaker
plays a lot for them. I don't know if this is their exact CB, how their CBs usually look, but I imagine it's pretty similar. And then Danny Pereira is a starter. He's one of their best players.
01:08:38
Speaker
He's actually one of my favorite eights in the league. I think he's really good and underrated. ah They have Ilya, the tire salesman at the six. That's a, that's a starter for them. Bukhari, that's their DP winger.
01:08:50
Speaker
Owen Wolf starter, a really good player breakout year. And then Azuni, I believe is another one of their DPs. So there's nothing, ah there's nothing super rotated about this. I can tell you guys that maybe Cascante and Heinz Ike are, are backups.
01:09:09
Speaker
I feel like those guys were both starting for them as recently as last year.
01:09:16
Speaker
And I do know there are at least guys that, uh, I'll look it up right now, but I'm pretty sure, uh, those guys start for them regularly. See about Cascante.
01:09:33
Speaker
All right. So Cascante has actually been more of a role player this year. So that might mean that, uh, They were rotating on the bra on the back line. Let's look at hands like real quick, just just to see if there's anything different there.
01:09:51
Speaker
Okay. Heinz Ike is, he starts every week for them. Like he has played 26 games, started all of them over 2k minutes. So that is like their, one of their linchpins in the back line who was starting that game.
01:10:06
Speaker
So overall that to me looked like a lot of their first choice guys, definitely majority of their first choice guys. And yeah, It's also ah what I'm hoping at least.
01:10:20
Speaker
I don't know if this is going to hold true, but what I'm hoping, they're in the middle of a ah big tournament run right now, like Seattle just was in in Leagues Cup.
01:10:33
Speaker
They've been doing this Open Cup run. And this game in particular, it went to extra time, went all the way to 120. And those elimination games, you got you guys all know this. They take a lot out of you, like physically and emotionally, psychologically.
01:10:51
Speaker
They're coming off a game where they even more than usual. It was an extra time game and they like they really put it in. They won in the 120th minute.
01:11:07
Speaker
Never won a trophy before. And yeah, like that's they're playing for that now. I think that was part of the the podcast i was talking about earlier. That was.
01:11:16
Speaker
derisively talking about hangover watch. I think that was part of their point. They're like, we're sitting here as a team that's kind of new to the league and like, hasn't won a trophy yet. You guys just won a trophy and you're complaining about hangovers.
01:11:29
Speaker
I get it.
01:11:32
Speaker
can see how that could seem ungrateful, but also I would not underestimate the, uh, the notion of the hangover. They might, they might be finding out about it,
01:11:45
Speaker
in open cup i think they austin fc i mean they haven't won a trophy but they uh they made it to the western final a couple years ago i remember i was at i uh i got to cover that game actually hi at lafc they lost it pretty badly but they made it all the way there so they kind of they kind of know how it goes but this is the first final that they've ever made they're hosting it
01:12:11
Speaker
This is going to be their first game. i mean, i don't i don't really know how. It's going their first game like after this big emotional Open Cup victory. But they do have it at home. And it could be a situation where they're like, they're probably on cloud nine.
01:12:27
Speaker
Winning Open Cup would be huge for them.
01:12:32
Speaker
They're hosting it.
01:12:37
Speaker
Who are they playing? who are they playing Again, i'm I'm blank. Nashville. Damn, that's going to be a good-ass game. You know what I think?
01:12:48
Speaker
You want to make do chat? when Oh, when is that? Oh, damn it. I'm going to be out of town for it. Damn it.
01:12:57
Speaker
Damn it. was going to say I was going to do a watch-along. I'm going to be out of town.
01:13:05
Speaker
It's unfortunate. But
01:13:10
Speaker
Austin, Nashville, Nashville, Sam Surge had a hat trick to win them that game. Who were they playing? I was looking at all this last night, but...
01:13:23
Speaker
Yeah, they beat the Philly Union 3-1 at Geodas Park. Sam Surge had hat trick. The Philly Union are kind of down bad. They're down a little bad. They're leading the shield race, but they got waxed by... ah Thomas Mueller and the boys in Vancouver is seven to zero, which
01:13:48
Speaker
like a seven spot just always tough to take no matter where you are on the table. Imagine being their fan base right now. Wouldn't that be weird? Like you're having this, you're having a great season.
01:13:59
Speaker
got a new coach. You've been top of the table pretty much all year. You might well win the shield. You're leading the shield race, but then you take a 7-0. How do you guys think Seattle, the Seattle fan base would react if they were top of the shield race, but then took a 7-0 while leading the shield race?
01:14:22
Speaker
that's one thing I appreciate about the Sounders is they uh even when they get blown out like have we ever seen them take a seven spot
01:14:33
Speaker
I can't I can't they famously dished a seven spot on uh on Cruz Azul I don't think i've ever seen them take a seven spot but like what I like even when they get blown out like they've gotten blown out a couple times this year it's not like a seven spot They lost 3-0 at San Diego, right?
01:14:53
Speaker
Or is that 4-0? I think LAFC got them 4-0 or There's been like a couple bad ones, but I would say they Seattle general doesn't get blown out a lot in general. That's one thing I appreciate about them.
01:15:06
Speaker
And then even when they do lose badly, it's never like a 7-0. It's just wild to me that you can... I know the Philly Union were rotated and going across the nation for that,
01:15:19
Speaker
But i don't like no matter how rotated a Seattle lineup I ever saw, I would never have i would never write off for a 7-0. Like 6-0 RSL 2010.
01:15:32
Speaker
The man you won, I don't count that. That's whatever. That was in like 2013, right?
01:15:41
Speaker
It doesn't happen that that often is my point.
01:15:48
Speaker
They get blown out sometimes. Every MLS team does, but it happens rarely and it doesn't happen that ah egregiously. 7-0, i like speaking for myself, if they took a we were we were all we were all unbelievably tilted at taking a three one to Inter-Miami.
01:16:05
Speaker
3-1 compared to a 7-0. But what I was going to say is it like ah it kind of underscores what I was talking about about like this Inter-Miami situation. road trip the degree of difficulty on it being higher than perhaps we all gave credence to it's like honestly games like that it's like my least favorite part of covering this league
01:16:33
Speaker
i love everything about this league it's my favorite league it's the best league in the world I wouldn't cover any other league. ah But you do have these situations sometimes where with how crazy the travel gets combined with the fixture congestion that exists now.
01:16:50
Speaker
And it's been this way for a long time, especially with CONCACAF Champions League, where the fixture congestion combined with injuries combined with travel is It creates situations with road games sometimes where you really just like have no chance and it feels like a predetermined outcome.
01:17:09
Speaker
There were so many years where people would talk about these random bogey teams with Seattle. Like it was the San Jose earthquakes for a while and people would be like, why we always lose to the San Jose earthquakes? They're not that good.
01:17:21
Speaker
it was sporting KC for a while too. And, you know, I think back to a lot of these games and I'm like, yeah, I don't know if it's a bogey team. It's like you were playing the San Jose earthquakes on a Wednesday on short rest and,
01:17:35
Speaker
and you have this guy, this guy, this guy, and this guy injured. you were not you it doesn't You combine that with the salary cap, you had no chance at winning that game, ever, because they were playing their fully first-choice 11 against and incredibly rotated, fatigued, and injured team. You already know what's going to happen.
01:17:52
Speaker
there's so There are road games in MLS every year where it's like you already know how it's going to go. And one cool thing about this Sounders team, at different points over the years, but especially this year,
01:18:04
Speaker
is ah they've been a team that's been able to perform and get results in spite of obstacles like that. And that's how you know you're a good team. um But that being said, like this Miami game, it falls into the category of like
01:18:21
Speaker
that length of road trip on short rest against that team, especially with the added incentive that they had. based on what happened in Leagues Cup. I'm not going to say that the game was impossible to get a result in. like that Anything can happen in a given game.
01:18:39
Speaker
Not impossible, but it's like the the deck is stacked so far against you. I woke up the morning of the Miami game, and I was like, this just this feels chalked. i did I did feel like that.
01:18:53
Speaker
It's just, ah and I think that's what happened to the Philly union in this case. I didn't says nothing about the quality of their team. Just like, I don't think what happened in Miami says anything about the quality or Seattle's level.
01:19:08
Speaker
But like when you look at the Philly union being in a pretty similar situation and getting seven zeroed
01:19:15
Speaker
three, one doesn't seem that bad. Seattle was actually low key, like not fully out of that game. it felt like It felt like they were fully out of it when it went 3-0. um But then as soon as Obed, Obed scored with a lot of time left.
01:19:30
Speaker
And when Obed scored, i was like, oh, okay. I mean, you're still probably chalked, but really, like what minute did he? He scored in like the 70th minute. i think, and I think Twelman said it on the blog broadcast and you had it right. Like if you can get another one before 80, then it's like your result is fully possible.
01:19:51
Speaker
And on top of that,
01:19:54
Speaker
I thought there was... mean Tell me if you disagree. I thought there was periods of time after the Obed goal where Seattle looked pretty good. The one that comes to mind for me was the one that Jordan had where he he tried to lay it off.
01:20:11
Speaker
It was this really sick combination play. He tried to lay it off instead of just taking the shot. He had a shot.
01:20:21
Speaker
And he tried to lay it off instead.
01:20:24
Speaker
it was a good chance. And maybe, you know, if that goes in, they could a chance of taking a result in the game. So, I mean, it was, it was a bad game, bad performance. Like, don't get me wrong, but they certainly acquitted themselves better than the ah Philly union did in Vancouver, obviously a low bar, but ah overall, I'm about to wrap it up guys, but ah just to finish the thought, like,
01:20:54
Speaker
I'm not, a like I said earlier, I don't think that what happened in a and that Miami game in and of itself is evidence that this team is hungover.
01:21:05
Speaker
We're going find out if they're hungover.
01:21:09
Speaker
um don't really think either either of these two games, I don't think you can say it off that. like We're going to find out in these next few games how much this team is hungover, all.
01:21:23
Speaker
It's a real storyline. It's something we're going to monitor. Like we all saw what happened in 2022.
01:21:32
Speaker
um But the fact that they got three, one by messy and the Barca boys in Fort Lauderdale, that doesn't necessarily mean they're hungover. And also if anyone's trying to hit you with the revenge storyline or like the scores settled,
01:21:50
Speaker
Please, please
01:21:56
Speaker
miss me with that. I mean, I can't believe we're even doing that. And like I said, to be fair, my my read on it is it's you got inner Miami fans, but you also have oh specifically messy fans more than any player I've ever seen.
01:22:13
Speaker
he has like his own, he's like his own club. He's his own fan base. And anytime he takes a negative result or anything like that happens, they get ah they get upset. you know we had to We had to deal with that being the show that covers the team that was playing against Messi in a final.
01:22:38
Speaker
We weren't too pop too popular necessarily in the Messi fan base.
01:22:49
Speaker
But, you know, that's that's fine.
01:22:53
Speaker
I feel like we we didn't say anything out of pocket. i I guess people got mad at us for talking about or reporting the ah the trash talk stuff. I don't get why that was that big a deal.
01:23:06
Speaker
I feel like we were trying notch we were talking about what we thought happened.
01:23:13
Speaker
But I certainly never...
01:23:17
Speaker
ah held any like ill will or was ever bent out of shape about him chirping the Sounders players. I think it's kind of funny that he that he was doing that. But like, i guess his fan base really didn't want to believe that he would chirp like that, which each i I just don't get because it shouldn't be surprising.
01:23:38
Speaker
Shouldn't be surprising that he would chirp. But like I said, it's like his own, that's what I really learned through the experience of the League's Cup Final. is he like He's his own entity, man. He's like his own thing.
01:23:52
Speaker
Like they say no one is bigger than the team. He's literally like way bigger than the team. He's like the one guy that you could say is, when they say no one is bigger than the team, he actually is literally bigger than the team by quite a lot.
01:24:09
Speaker
Maybe a few guys in the world that you can say that about at any given time.
01:24:15
Speaker
He's one of them.
01:24:17
Speaker
It was funny.
01:24:22
Speaker
Not bigger than MLS. No, he's not bigger than, uh, he's not bigger than leagues, but I think he's better than individual clubs. I don't know. I'm kind of just making up this, uh, Criteria on the fly.
01:24:35
Speaker
Messi fans stormed the Sounders Facebook page and were mad we were celebrating saying we were. Yeah, that was we got a lot of comments on our tick talk. That was like. ah
01:24:46
Speaker
It's Ronaldo.
Fan Divides: Ronaldo vs. Messi
01:24:47
Speaker
It's they both do they that is I guess I kind of knew this, but this was my first like exposure being like right in the heat of it in the middle of it because we were in the middle of our discourse about the game and the matchup between the teams and all that stuff.
01:25:03
Speaker
And lot of the comments we got on TikTok were like, this is why Ronaldo is better type stuff. like That has nothing to do... where That is out of left field. But then, you know, you kind of realize that's a thing. There's like a... There's an entire subset of people that are like, we're the Messi people. It doesn't matter like what club he plays for or what he's doing in his career. We are just specifically like devoted Messi.
01:25:32
Speaker
And then you got... the other subset that's like, we're Ronaldo guys. We're the Ronaldo guys and we're against the messy guys.
01:25:43
Speaker
I say guys because it's it's all guys. You got the messy guys and you got the Ronaldo guys. They don't like each other. And so anytime there's anything that portrays the other in a negative light, you got one set of guys chirping the other set of guys. And it's like this whole thing that, uh,
01:26:04
Speaker
really heated up in a lot of the Lobbing Scorchers TikTok comment sections.
01:26:12
Speaker
I didn't really have a desire to be a part of that. I don't really, it's like, it feels like cult of personality to me. Like, shouldn't you really only be that devoted to a to an individual player if he's playing for your club?
01:26:28
Speaker
Like, yeah, if you're if you're a Barcelona fan all those years, you should be it would make sense to be like that passionate about messy the whole time.
01:26:41
Speaker
I, he's fun to watch play. I, love I re I have loved watching him play like his whole career.
01:26:49
Speaker
I personally, i personally would never devote that much fandom to just an individual guy that doesn't even play for the club that i follow and support.
01:27:01
Speaker
It did look like, we talked about this on the post-game show, but I'm sure you guys all saw Obed and Messi chatting at at halftime. And I think whatever whatever might have been said or what might have been going on there looked fully squashed. I don't know. I'm like totally just reading into it based on what I saw on TV.
01:27:23
Speaker
But to me, what it looked like, what it looked like again i'm just guessing what it looked like to me was uh messi went up to obed and was like hey man like don't i if i said anything it's what i like i didn't mean it like it was just banter during the game i think you're ah a sick player with a great future like whatever and then obed was like don't worry about it man don't worry about it at all like i i get it like it was uh heat of the game, and we're all good, brother.
01:27:56
Speaker
It looked like it was something sort of like that interaction looked like what was going on. I don't know that. i haven't really heard anything like that. But that's just what it looked like. And if that it if if that was what Messi was doing, I can respect that.
01:28:12
Speaker
I can respect that.
01:28:17
Speaker
You know, heat of competition. Heat competition during the match.
01:28:24
Speaker
Afterwards, it's all good. Sportsmanship.
01:28:30
Speaker
i guarantee I mean, I guarantee you, i mean, De La Vegas said he had no issue with trash talk. Obed kind of said a similar thing when they ah when they asked him. Jada, I think, asked him about it at practice.
01:28:43
Speaker
Knew who did ah get the messy kit. I'm pretty sure, almost positive I saw a clip of that.
01:28:54
Speaker
I'm pretty sure the swap occurred.
01:28:59
Speaker
Which is, that's a funny, that's a funny guy to end up getting it after all that. After all the like thing the in the, at the game in Seattle where guys were like trying to get the Jersey off of him. And he was like, no, there was like a moment where someone was like, it,
01:29:16
Speaker
during the brawl or like right after the brawl, someone was like trying to get it off of him. I can't remember who. And he was, he would kept being like, no. And eventually like Yannick bright or somebody stepped in and and was like, fuck off. He's not giving it to you type situation.
01:29:35
Speaker
But then, so for that to happen and then for new who to come in from out of left field, who didn't even play in the league's cup final and be the one to get it
01:29:47
Speaker
I mean, that rips good for new who I wonder how they decided that because you knew that like someone someone wanted it after the league's cup final and that ended with tension so high that Messi didn't swap with anybody.
01:30:06
Speaker
So that was kind of funny. that he refused to do it. But then this time, like, it's like, I think in general, the inner Miami beef, as far as I'm concerned is, is squashed.
01:30:21
Speaker
If Obed and De La Vega say that it's squashed, which they never gave any indication otherwise, but then it's squashed, but then knew who ends up getting the, yeah getting the Jersey.
01:30:37
Speaker
That's just a, uh, that's just a funny turn of events. I agree. fry getting, it would have been kind of sick. What I was going to say is like, I wonder how much behind the scenes, like negotiation there is like between the players.
01:30:50
Speaker
I bet they had some sort of, uh, maybe they had some sort of competition to see who would get it and knew who won it. Cause how do you decide that every, I'm pretty sure most guys on the team when you're playing a player like that, most guys on the team would do the swap. They would take the swap.
01:31:14
Speaker
I wonder if Messi was like, I'll give it to number five, but the rest of you guys, no, I'll give it to him.
01:31:24
Speaker
Which swapping jerseys is fine, by the way. Some people are like, you should not be that, uh,
01:31:35
Speaker
Be that cordial with your opponent. It's after the game. And also, I mean, it's messy. Like the idea that someone's not going to go for the jersey swap is just silly to begin with.
01:31:48
Speaker
I think he does swap for matches that he loses. I think he's he's mostly pretty good about the swap or like pretty willing to do the swap. He understands that literally every game that he plays, people are going to want to swap.
01:32:03
Speaker
I feel like I've seen him swap a lot of times.
01:32:07
Speaker
He just did not swap in Seattle for reasons that I can understand, even if I don't necessarily agree with. It would have been a nice gesture for gesture for him to swap, I think, after the brawl.
01:32:21
Speaker
Oh, my best friend just spit? Well, all right. I mean, he should have given the jersey to Gene. That's what he should have done.
01:32:29
Speaker
If he had given the jersey to Gene, then maybe they wouldn't have had to do the chat GPT apology.
Conclusion and Future Plans
01:32:36
Speaker
All right, guys. I went ah ah went an hour 30, and it's my birthday, so I'm going to call it early. I'm going to get out of here. But thank you all for tuning in. As always, great birthday stream.
01:32:50
Speaker
Appreciate all the all the birthday wishes and the ah and the two super chats. Not the most super chats I've ever seen, but
01:33:02
Speaker
it's fine. It's fine. we don't do it we don't do it for We don't do it for the super chats. We do it for love of the game. um Let's see Games on Sunday.
01:33:15
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We'll rip this post-match live like we usually do. Take calls. All that good stuff.
01:33:24
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We'll see what happens with this Austin game. Should be a good hunch.
01:33:32
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That's what I was fishing for. Thank you, man. Appreciate you for the 20. You didn't have to. You don't have to do that. That's honestly, that covers it. That covers it. That's ah all I need for the B-Day. i Got a few others as well. So you guys are the best.
01:33:46
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Appreciate my ah Under the Lights crew, as always. um Back at it Sunday.
01:33:55
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kick off with Nico on Monday. We'll be laying it all down. Content doesn't stop. I'll put it on your guys radar early. I am going out of town for a wedding at the beginning of October.
01:34:08
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of my best friends from school wedding going back to Mexico. Unfortunately, that means i'm gonna be like fully out for the Timbers name, which Unfortunate timing, but like it's for something that there's no like a decision to be made.
01:34:28
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But until then, we'll be, we'll be keeping it rolling like normal. And I'll see you guys on Sunday. Yeah. Post game Sunday, hunch. Be there. I'll see you guys all there. Love you guys. Have a good night. Peace.