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🧗 Rocks are on the rise, but Selene forgot to smize 😫
For our esteemed listeners’ consideration:
- Ozymandias 🪨 Selene Horseman of Famine 🪨🪨
- 🐫 Rama-Tut
- OTA 🤹
- 🫰 Weeks in Snap!!
- Secret Homework 🤫: The Thissy Awards 🏆👏👏👏
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Featured decks:
- Ben - Rocks Rock
- Rie - Backup Marrow Quiver
Credits:
- Cover art by Lauren
- Snap On This!! Theme by Ben
- YouTube thumbnail by Lauren’s kid, Reggi
- Thumbnail portraits by Adam Star
Timestamps:
- 0:00:00 Intro / Big Question
- 0:09:09 Ozymandias / Selene, Horseman of Famine
- 0:21:40 Rama-Tut
- 0:24:06 OTA Discussion
- 0:43:15 Our Week in Snap
- 1:08:30 Secret Homework: The Thissy Awards
- 2:00:50 Next Week's Secret Homework
- 2:02:41 Housekeeping / Closing Remarks
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Transcript
Introduction to 'Snap on This' Podcast
00:00:01
Speaker
Welcome back to Snap on This, a Marvel Snap podcast. This week's secret homework, it's the Thisy Awards. Thisys? Thisys Awards? There's a lot of plurals in there. Anyway, I'm your host, Lauren Whittemps, here with my usual amazing, delightful co-hosts.
Hosts' Favorite Drinks
00:00:16
Speaker
First up this week, it's Ben. Ben, pick a number, one or two.
00:00:22
Speaker
Two. That's the whole question. I'm just kidding. Number two, perhaps the least interesting question, but... could just use the next one next week what's your favorite drink uh we could go you know you can interpret that however you want it's pretty hard to beat water classic ah
00:00:46
Speaker
seriously you know At the moment, I'm sipping on a Rockstar Recovery Lemonade flavor. All right. I'll have you know, they've got some other recovery flavors that have come out in the more recent years, but I do think of this as the classic Rockstar Recovery flavor. Although, these days, I am partial to a Berryade, if you can find it.
00:01:08
Speaker
I got this one at Casey's ah Bogo, so I didn't have my choice of the flavors, because this is what they were trying to get rid of. and um But yeah, I would prefer a Berryade because it's got lower sodium.
00:01:25
Speaker
That's my beverage news for you. All right. Delightful.
Lauren's Soda Addiction Story
00:01:29
Speaker
Rhi, our other co-host, what's your favorite drink? uh sorry no i'm visceral reaction i can't say when people say i'm like how with no life is the same my wife is the same way she won't even have plain water it has to have something mixed into it yeah it's so good for you though and the whole point is that it doesn't have something mixed in with it you start adulterating it you start letting less good for you things in water classic it's the way to go i'm a water purist
00:02:00
Speaker
um Like all ah coders, am coffee is my answer. Coffee is a good one. I make it myself from whole... Well, I mean, I guess everyone makes it themselves. but like I get whole beans from like a local roastery that does... They're like... And it's flavored, but like good flavor. cup So like whole beans, they were just like Highlander Grog...
00:02:28
Speaker
is one like um sticky bun, you know, oh they're so good. And I grind myself and I make it like in a it's it works kind of like a French press with the contraption that's like easier that uses the filter and stuff. It's called a clever dripper.
00:02:43
Speaker
um And yeah, and so I make it by the cup and I drink it all day long until I'm not allowed to keep me up all night. I mean, by like, you know,
00:02:56
Speaker
Day-ree. Cuts off evening-ree, even though she would really like coffee. So, um yeah. And actually, I got to get more into cold brew for the summer. So, I mean, if people have great ways to make cold brew coffee, just like, got to put it in like a bag and stuff.
00:03:15
Speaker
don't know. Okay, sorry. Moving on. What's your favorite drink, Lauren? I would probably also answer water if pressed. i the but But I like also love trashy trashy beverages, namely Mountain Dew Zero in any variety.
00:03:33
Speaker
ah They used to make a watermelon one, Major Melon, that was fabulous. um But then they don't make it anymore, and that makes me say But yeah, i have I love Mountain Dew.
00:03:45
Speaker
And you prefer Mountain Dew Zero to a DMD, a Diet Mountain Dew? Yeah, but I don't know if that's a flavor thing or just like more caffeine.
00:03:56
Speaker
Is it more caffeine in a Mountain Dew Zero than a DMD? I don't even know that either. I'm just making that assumption about Coke Zero and and Pepsi Max, which I believe both have more caffeine than their diet alternatives.
00:04:10
Speaker
I know pei Pepsi Max does or did... because it was a whole, it was an energy soda, was it not? that i Okay, before we move on, though, I really, i have to give a minor shout. Before I quit Soda Forever, I had severe soda addiction. It took me years ah to move off of. I drank way too much diet soda all the time. But, like, before I quit Forever, there was a limited edition called Coke Starlight that I think is the best soda ever.
00:04:40
Speaker
Oh, it's like a spiced something, right? Yeah. I don't even remember what it tastes like. I had that one. I would drive to different grocery stores to get it.
00:04:53
Speaker
I was like obsessed with it. And it's called Starlight. And as we all know, the names of things make them better. So it's just oh, miss it. Mm-hmm. It's space flavored.
00:05:05
Speaker
That's what they say. It's not not literally space flavored. I can taste it. i i say After that, they released one called Bite that was or something that was supposed to be like, it tastes like digital and it's like, yeah, like battery acid that I don't know. It's horrible. yeah I think I was thinking of a different one that was spiced. um I like...
00:05:26
Speaker
I like trying new flavors of Mountain Dew, but some of them are just really, really bad. They had like ah and a gingerbread one. it was bad. they had a It was something spicy. I can't remember it was jalapeno or flaming Cheetos. It was something that was like... Ew, why? No, I'm an adventurous eater, but still, that is just like not even going to finish the bottle. This is bad, bad, bad.
00:05:47
Speaker
You know what I recently enjoyed? Is this ruby red squirt that I purchased on clearance at the grocery store. yes A little bit of caffeine, but mostly it's got that sugar. And I don't have a lot of sugar sodies.
00:06:02
Speaker
So it's novel treat. um Pretty tasty. got that Got that grapefruit flav with that classic squirt bite. In my real life drinking, I am usually using Mio the store brand equivalent thereof because it's cheaper than soda.
00:06:21
Speaker
And probably a little healthier. This the beverage mix thing. Yeah, just... Yeah, squirted into my cup of water and I try to alternate between plain water and enhanced water.
00:06:33
Speaker
All right. mika Can we stop talking about water, please? really Oh, God. Listen, tell us what your favorite drink is, especially if we're just missing out on something great. All right. This is kind of tangentially related.
00:06:48
Speaker
this This monster can, it looks like a white monster, but it's actually old coffee. Don't say it. I'm also team coffee. my My loyalties are so divided right now. Oh man, I love them all.
00:07:00
Speaker
Good peps. Monster Ultra is good, but I try to avoid energy drinks. ah Okay. we are We decided ahead of time.
Exploring Ozymandias Decks in Marvel Snap
00:07:09
Speaker
We don't have anything to say about Caliban.
00:07:11
Speaker
And Sandstorm will be lumped in. If you do, I'd love hear it. Sandstorm will be lumped in with Ozymandias. A 5-9. Ongoing. Your rocks have plus 3 power.
00:07:24
Speaker
Did you get him from high voltage yet? Yes. Yes. I got him from high voltage right away. i haven't played any games of high voltage. Hmm.
00:07:36
Speaker
How about you, Rhi? don't think I'm gonna, but I sure did get that card. Anybody else get that No, I've mostly been hiding from it. I saw there's a hot location, too, that was about rocks. yeah And I think everyone's been having a lot of fun with it, and I've been hiding from the storm. just like I was in high voltage, and then I went to ah Conquest to avoid the hot location. because's like i't Like I said, um it's just gonna be rocks everywhere.
00:08:04
Speaker
yeah Ever since I read is what she Shirley Jackson's The Lottery and feared rocks being thrown at me. You're into literature, know what I'm talking about.
00:08:15
Speaker
yeah i Because I'm in a small Midwest town, that's what I'm saying. I think I've even talked about it. We have talked about it before on the podcast. But also, this is good content because everybody read it in like high school or junior high or whatever. right ah stays so it's It's universal.
00:08:32
Speaker
I just just rounded out. I played more high voltage than I said I was going to. I said I was going to go until I got Ozymandias. I went one mission set past that because I was pretty close to getting a a premium mystery variant.
00:08:44
Speaker
of Was it worth it? Kind of. I got I got hip Colson. I replaced my current Colson. So, yeah, kind of. um yeah But I am not going to touch high voltage any more than that. I do not like it.
00:08:58
Speaker
uh i'm happy as always as always every time i say i hate this game mode i would like to also say i'm happy it's there for the people who do like it oh for sure let's talk about ozymandias himself and maybe the rock deck have you seen it have you played it uh which rock deck Rocks.
00:09:19
Speaker
I mean, I've been playing Rocks decks. I've been cooking on the climb, baby. Maybe we should add Selene to this conversation, even though I don't think she's actually a big part of conversation. Sure, yeah, let's add Selene to this conversation.
00:09:31
Speaker
But she works in the Rocks deck, and she's new this week also. 4-4, Selene, Horseman of Famine. Objective, have three cards with no abilities in play. They could be Rocks. Two, steal five power from an enemy card here.
00:09:45
Speaker
We can just lump all these together.
00:09:49
Speaker
What you thinking about rocks? Ben. I've been playing some rocks. I've played against some rocks. ah The first rock thing that I built was kind of boring. It was a little bit, you know, had Patriot and i wasn't sure how exciting I wanted to get with it. And I just wanted to see, like, is the boring thing good? Didn't feel that great. Gonna be honest. I ah did not find myself climbing up with that version of the deck.
00:10:23
Speaker
And i I went through several tweaks and different concepts. I am more excited to tell y'all about... the current rock deck that I'm, I'm rocking. It's called rocks rock. Shout out to my boy, Henry Oak. Um, and the contents of rocks rock at the moment, I just switched a card like right before the record today. Um, it had surge in it, but surge became Hydra Bob because I needed another one cost because, um, well, the,
00:10:55
Speaker
The truth is, ah Prowler was making too many cards and I was losing a draw. So I decided it was a little more important that I should have more ones. So I cut Surge. But anywho, you don't know what's in it. so I'm going to tell you, it's Spider-Ham Hydra Bob. Herbaceous Crumb. That's right, Herbie. um Captain America, the Sam Wilson one.
00:11:16
Speaker
Spider-Man, the regular one. Rhino, the only one. Captain Carter Cosmo, the Prowler. Debris, Ozymandias, and Aurora. That's right, we're doing mid-rangey stuff. um You know, it's kind of a Prowler deck.
00:11:35
Speaker
It's kind of an Ozymandias deck. You know what I had in the Patriot version? I had sandstorm decided I don't really like sandstorm. You know where I like my rocks on the fucking board where they belong.
00:11:48
Speaker
ah Making rocks in your hand is like, I don't know. I don't know about it. I don't know about Mole Man. Also, both of those cards, you're sort of disincentivized to play them when the hot location is the tomb of Rama Tut or whatever, ah because, you know, it only gives you your free rock if you don't have any rocks in your hand. So if you play a bunch of cards that make rocks in your hand, you're not going to get your free rocks. You're leaving money on the table.
00:12:12
Speaker
um Anywho, the deck's working well. When I was playing worse Ozymandias decks, my ranking fell into the upper 80s because it was just not working, the the Patriot stuff. But when I started playing this version, things turned around. And although I have been tweaking it and I can't i can't say it all the climbing was with these exact 12 cards, I am now back up into the mid-90s.
00:12:39
Speaker
And, you know, I'm probably going to finish the climb sometime before before next season and everything. you know Wow. Yeah. That's the time to do it.
00:12:50
Speaker
Yep. How about Celine? You seen any of her? No, not even a little bit. Nope, not a card. Don't think that card came out. Not sure. Not sure that's a real card. um Yep. Nowhere to be seen.
00:13:02
Speaker
Straight up imaginary. a theoretical card.
In-depth Marvel Snap Card Analysis
00:13:10
Speaker
I've only seen Selene. I don't. Selene. Selene. like Selene. Let's commit we're a Selene podcast. We played too much 80s too. or i mean, that is why I do it. Yep. ah I only saw her once in high voltage, actually. It's a generated card. i was just kind of like, wait, why is my screen taken up? It's like, you haven't seen this. I'm like, oh, I haven't.
00:13:36
Speaker
Other than that, I haven't seen it. Like, sorry, because, you know, if you're playing Kong West, because you're hiding from ladder, from sandstorm rocks,
00:13:49
Speaker
ah you don't get a searide fire. Yeah, I think, honestly, it's just the thing now where it's like, um she's probably not one that everyone picked to get. So only the people who get every single card, you know, um for sure picking her up, I think probably I'm just assuming she's less popular. And um yeah, with rocks, I think said I feel like I've heard that they're good or at least people are having fun, which is the point of playing games. And I'm like, it's like, i don't know. I'm happy for other people, but I'm also like sad and the inside looking out the window because once this rocks was just a meme dream of me and Wombat combat. Now it is meta and the two cannot exist. I like grew up and sold out and making big money in Hollywood now. And I yeah just miss when it was just like when, like, I remember once Wombat put in like some, like, like put in death just for in Bullman. Yeah.
00:14:47
Speaker
it's just like, you know, it's like, oh, now it's real. And there's like Ozzyman, Diaz and stuff. um So, yeah, you know, I'm i like, i probably want much to say about racks till no one's playing.
00:15:00
Speaker
That's fair. i got Celine, Celine. I have not played her. I have run into her once. She did not win. She didn't even win her lane. It was embarrassing. Oh, how embarrassing.
00:15:16
Speaker
Yeah. We were both playing Rockstex. Turns out the Rock deck that didn't rely on the 414 with no other synergy didn't matter. Can you imagine her showing up trying to like, like, yeah, famine. Like, no, we brought snacks. We're good. Yeah. Just, I think she's like emblematic of...
00:15:38
Speaker
i We need some cards that are just good cards, right? That are flexible. and And the thing is, she's not even that. She's not flexible.
00:15:49
Speaker
I'm thinking about like a Drax Avatar of Life, right? Where like there's there's very few decks, maybe none, where he's the best. He's in the best 12. But there's a lot of decks where he could be in the best 12.
00:16:01
Speaker
15 or 20, right? Like, so if you're missing cards, he's a great card to have to sub in cards. He's a big old guy. Right. She can't even be that. And I'm just, i don't, i don't know what, why is she here? What is she doing? And you couldn't, you couldn't make her even bigger, but like, that's not fun. It's just, it's just the slop we've talked about before. And I'm just like, I don't want cards like this. I know we have to have some cards that just do numbers, but I want cards that,
00:16:30
Speaker
do things like add something interesting to the game or add a new interaction open open up a new flavor of an archetype and just like she doesn't do that more interesting ways to even accomplish like the doing numbers thing like they're just better designs and this one is not doing it yeah So, I mean, I haven't done my part for the podcast. I didn't play the card that I figured Ben and Rie both skipped, as they should. And, ah you know, I just like... ah just She's just so unappealing.
00:17:02
Speaker
yeah I want... Like, now now I feel bad for her, and I want to, like, spend 6,000 pity tokens and, like, see if there's something fun there. But, like, I don't blame people for not getting card. doesn't look like fun to play. i don't... I just don't...
00:17:19
Speaker
On the other hand, Ozymandias is really fun card. I don't think I emphasized this when we were really talking about him, but like, know, he shows up and he does the damn thing, right? He makes the rocks big. You know, like ah even on ah even on a bad day when he's just like, what, 515? Like, you know, it's not that's not what you were hoping for, but it's still like punchy. It still hits.
00:17:43
Speaker
You know, you're still hitting multiple lanes, maybe surprising someone who, you know, doesn't see the most obvious card in the world coming. But sometimes you don't have it and sometimes they might think you don't have it and then you do and it's like, ha ha, very exciting card. Selene less so.
00:18:04
Speaker
You know, I had like two or three people message me with stuff like waiting for the Lauren Ozymandias deck or like, I was trying to think what would Lauren do with Ozymandias and I made this crazy clip. Yeah. Which is flattering, definitely. like I appreciate that I'm credited as what do we how do we take a card to silly levels?
00:18:21
Speaker
But I've been trying. And I have like six or seven different ideas for where to take this. But all of them are like, but it would just be better if we did it if we did Shuri or Blue Marvel. or like It's like... it's I had one with blue marble in it for a minute. I don't if there's anything he's the best at. And so, like, i think I think I'm glad for the deck you shared, Ben, like a mid-rangey thing where there's not a ton of rocks and you're not, like, hitting him with Onslaught and Prodigy. Like, you're not trying to do, like, go, what?
00:18:52
Speaker
Yeah, that's fun, but you're not going all in. yeah it's just a small package. It's rhino, ah debris, ozymandias, and of course, herbaceous crumb. Yes, I'm really pushing that nickname for him. i you know, it's fun.
00:19:06
Speaker
I want to know what would be hilarious. Do tell. as Stupid. I want to know. I've been thinking. One rock with every single other card out, like all the lanes filled with just things that buff it It's like the biggest one rock ever.
00:19:25
Speaker
that That is. And and it's like that's what I've been thinking. Like I can, if I go all in, I can make two very big rocks. But at that point, maybe it should be a Shuri Taskmaster thing or a Man Spider Zola thing or like, like there's so many other ways to take that. And I just don't know, like, is it still fun to see like this is the silly Ozymandias thing, even if there's so many other ways to do it?
00:19:45
Speaker
and Maybe my brain's just broken from the other things, but I've actually been kind of disappointed in him as a cute card. But I do think he is he's... But he's not, because his point is to make big rocks. And it was... That's the point. The meme was to make big rocks. And now the meme is meta, and it can't be a meme anymore. You cannot have meta and meme together.
00:20:04
Speaker
I don't think the meta will like... Ozymandias isn't as good as we were afraid he was going to be. And maybe maybe now we seem silly for... I don't know. I haven't felt particularly threatened by his presence on these streets.
00:20:20
Speaker
Well, now that everyone knows he's coming out, it's like, what, you throw in a Kilmarn, sure, they can put in Ky'era and stuff, but it's more things they have to get together. But, like, once I think, once it's just one of a lot of decks, it feels, like, more viable than, like, just Old Patriot. Like, it feels like it replaces that. I mean, that's great one.
00:20:42
Speaker
yeah Old Patriot is, you know, an antique. I admit ah one thing I did not try. Wait, let me finish my Ozymandias and then I'll talk about Selene. Ozymandias, the thing that makes him distinct from Blue Marvel is his body. He has six more power. That's real. That's a thing that is valuable.
00:21:03
Speaker
It lets you stack the power in two lanes instead of spreading it evenly across three. like He does have real value versus Blue Marvel. Now, Selene, friend of the pod, Ironcloak, suggested that Selene and Valk can solo lanes, and that is true, and I have not played with that yet, but that sounds fun and appealing. Well, I guess it's a duo. They can duo a lane. Yeah.
00:21:29
Speaker
I like that idea. That is really cute. God damn. You know, I've said it before. i'll say it again. Ironcloak has good ideas. Mm-hmm. This is why I nominated him to be in the Asn't Apprentice.
00:21:40
Speaker
All right, let's talk about next week's card. Just a vibe check on Ramatut, our 4-5 on reveal. Use the three on reveals from cards released before Ramatut's time. I'm very excited for this one.
00:21:55
Speaker
It looks silly. you think it's going good? Oh, really? it'll be, like, occasionally amusing, but like not fun really like because when it beats you by a lot you're like well you know fucking chaos like I can't like a account for that and then a lot times it'll be hilarious because like things will happen but it's just one of those like chaos gremlins that like when it beats you in a way that really like in a really tight situation it's gonna infuriate you it's like that's valid yeah i don't know
00:22:33
Speaker
I don't. and It's sure to be exciting. And it's definitely real Kang-type card. really reminds me of the Kang that makes the copies and shuffles those into your deck.
00:22:46
Speaker
And i think it's going to be... the thing about that Kang is that I know they're playing it and I can snap against it so like when I know you're playing classic Kang I'll snap but I don't know that you're playing new Kang and that bothers me because i I feel like I deserve to be able to snap if I know you've got Ramatut in your deck but I don't know you've got Ramatut in your deck and that that bums me out because I could be snapping if I knew I'm very interested to see if the final list of what he can hit is the same as what we saw in the first datamines. Because while they have most of the yucky hits out, there are some of them still there. Destroyer is there. is there.
00:23:27
Speaker
Like... destroyer is really really bad that's a bad discard effects in there yeah there's only a couple discards oh but both moon knight and silver samurai are in the mix yeah yeah yeah and then pitching whatever the linchpin of your whole setup was but i am excited for how it will scale with wong that seems really fun like six on reveals twice each or you had a mystique You had a Mystique of 12 on reveals four times each. It just gets silly. All right.
00:24:05
Speaker
and We already talked about high voltage.
Debate on Star-Lord's Nerf
00:24:07
Speaker
Let's get into the OTA a that dropped just today as of recording. ah First up, Star-Lord Master of the Sun takes a significant hit going from 4-3 to five eight They cited Star-Lord and Mr. Negative as two of the decks that are going very tall right now, and they're trying to go back to a mid-range meta.
00:24:31
Speaker
Reeve, what do you think about this hit? um I mean, we already we've talked a lot about Star Lord and it's just like what you said. Like we agree. Like it took out mid range. It was all about like high end combos. Kind of. It felt like with that. So, I mean, good.
00:24:48
Speaker
who told you this a while back. that's how they said they want to do it it's just like they're like yeah we just want ah especially the new cards especially season pass cards just rain for a while before we nerf them and uh i guess i guess it's a meta experiment but i don't know and i didn't i didn't particularly care for star lord meta so i'm glad i'm going to get the nerf hammer couldn't happen to a nicer guy yeah been?
00:25:21
Speaker
ah Yeah, I think it was... I mean, it's good that this happened. I feel bad for anybody who like... You know, there are players with like limited collections and like maybe they were leaning pretty hard on Star-Lord Master of the Sun because it's a very strong card that you can do a lot of things with. and like I feel bad for those people who now use a five cost that they can't do as many interesting things with or like as many you know, like original Star-Lord is kind of versatile, not like, not the version that we would see in our, you know, matchmaking brackets and stuff, but like,
00:26:00
Speaker
I don't know. i think of like players with limited collections and like Starlight probably prop up some cool and interesting and like weird little decks. I don't know. That's that's just me speculating and, you know, making up a kind of Marvel Snap player for whom to feel sorry. But I i do feel sorry for that hypothetical Marvel Snap player.
00:26:24
Speaker
That's a good point you bring up. they're like It's possible that that player bought the card literally less than a month ago. Yep. And it's been hit. Right? Because you can buy it anytime during the season.
00:26:36
Speaker
i don't know. i'm I'm glad that they're not letting his reign last too long. But also, like maybe he shouldn't have ever been that strong in the first place. Or maybe they should have nipped it in the bud sooner. But I'm glad to see it be a big hit. right like This makes him a lot harder to double. mean, he can do like...
00:26:53
Speaker
Silver Surfer First Steps, but like Grandmaster and Absman, that's pretty much gone. and You can get Limbo going, I guess. But I don't know. It seems significant.
00:27:05
Speaker
ah Cannonball, just want to read this. I don't think it's necessarily a huge hit. He goes 5'6 to 5'5, but their reasoning, don't fully understand it. I'm wondering if either of you two have insight. With the Star-Lord nerf as well as a sneaky nerf to Mr. Negative coming up, we think it's a good time to make another small nerf to Cannonball.
00:27:25
Speaker
What? How are those things related? ah While we do want to prop up more mid-range centric gameplay, Cannonball Mercury have been strong with relatively high ubiquity for some time. As with Star-Lord, we think this is an adjustment that will improve the health of the game for the long term.
00:27:40
Speaker
Is it just that they're seeing that their goal is to make mid-range come back, but they don't want it to come back too much? um Maybe. what What do you think, Rhi? Cannonball Mercury, like, never, what i okay, tangentially, this makes me mad because, like, Cannonball is just totally unplayable without Mercury, right? When are you ever going to put 5-6 Cannonball, like, in a deck without, like. Without Mercury.
00:28:10
Speaker
Without Mercury. And now it's like once again, it's this strategy of like their way of balancing is making certain cards more and more unplayable without the card, their paired card that like makes them too strong. Right? How often i don't see Storm that much, right? I still see a lot of Legion. It's just like these pairing these toxic relationships in these cards are just hurting one of them way more. and i
00:28:41
Speaker
and I feel for Cannonball. That's all. That's a really good point. I will say Cannonball is one of my most played cards. I'm playing Cannonball...
00:28:52
Speaker
Pretty much all the like in most games, because I'm usually playing a surfer deck with cannonball in it. And I will say, you know, Mercury's there, but I sure do play cannonball a lot, even when Mercury is not in the picture.
00:29:08
Speaker
ah Cannonball's effect is pretty wild, pretty game swinging. sometimes Wait, you play cannonball lot? i not All the time. Yes. In Surfer.
Cannonball's Role in Player Decks
00:29:19
Speaker
Yep. Cannonball is, like, one of... Surely in in my top 20 most played cards of 2025 and 2026. Honestly, since the Mercury Cannonball... Like, since Mercury showed up, I don't think I've, like, played in a tournament without Mercury in Cannonball. And I've played different archetypes. Okay, with Mercury, right? yeah No, no, no. For sure. Mercury is, like, always there. But I will say, I do get a lot of mileage out of Cannonball. Just...
00:29:43
Speaker
for his cannonballiness. It's really good. Oh, my. So good when people Galactus you. Great with absorbing, man. People are not ready for the second cannonball. They're just not just, you know, honestly, sometimes even with open deck lists, like you've given them all the all the clues. And yeah, I can't. It's a hell of a card. Cannonball does so much.
00:30:06
Speaker
Does that normally look like you cannonball the mercury lane and then move mercury and do abs man? ah You know, like that's the greediest best. Like that's the that's the blue sky version. But, um you know, sometimes it's just about doing a second. Can't like the effect is really strong. If you get if you get a if you get a rock kill, that's great.
00:30:28
Speaker
But also if you displace their highest power card on the lane. It's very swingy. Yeah. Once again, goes this is for five power on your turn five. i mean, it's like Jug will do the same thing, right? for like Only on things that were played there that turn.
00:30:46
Speaker
That's true, but that's usually when you want to do it. like timing No, no, i um i know Juggernaut's Juggernaut's Juggernaut, but ah I don't know. Cannonball is a very strong card, and I'm not going to stop playing it because it's five five. um Although i am about it. You're not going to stop playing it because of Mercury. Yeah, because Mercury is also there. But I'm still anticipating getting a lot of use out of Cannonball when Mercury is not around, which has been the case this whole time.
00:31:15
Speaker
Cannonball does so much. But like, OK, you're playing it in Surfer. Mercury is gone. It doesn't exist as a card. Is Cannonball going in your Surfer deck? Oh, of course not. No, it's all a different thing.
00:31:29
Speaker
He doesn't give enough utility outside of Mercury, though. He doesn't give you enough utility and without maybe Mercury. Every card has edge cases, right? i get you Cards you hate, like I can find, it's like, oh, but it's really good in this situation. It's like, all cards have situations, but when does it take ah yeah your 12 cards absent Mercury? It can't, and it's just making him weaker. and You already wouldn't let him.
00:31:58
Speaker
and say The answer is clog, but it's not like clogs not very good right now. You don't see a lot of clog. yeah That shouldn't be Don't make clog. That that is where C ball goes ah without mercury um because you handled the mercury situation a different way by blocking the move.
00:32:17
Speaker
um he i like that sorry that feels like what what he goes by after he like prison fell from grace and his drug air yeah yeah here okay ah yeah uh yeah um that's how i type it you know it is i guess it came out that way um i I am moved by your point. It's certainly one we've talked about before, but yeah, that the the best thing to do with a card ruins all the other things to do with a card. And like the best cards are flexible cards, but it's so hard for them.
00:32:54
Speaker
i don't i don't know if this is a built-in problem or a problem that they create because of the synergies they make, but it's like the specific designs get too strong and...
00:33:06
Speaker
Destroy the flexibility, which I guess lee makes room for them to make new cards to fill in those gaps. But i don't like it. I want my cards to be flexible and to have lots of cool interactions instead of one and only one that works.
00:33:23
Speaker
All right. Two hits two Gambit Horseman of Death. f Frigga loses a power three, four to three, three. And Gambit himself now requires six total cost of created cards.
00:33:38
Speaker
I don't know if we've initiated a rotation or not, but I'll just say I don't know if six is enough. This card still seems annoying. um like this is like This feels like the smallest thing they could have done. Well, I guess the two smallest things they could have done.
00:33:53
Speaker
This card still, I expect to be yucky. Yeah, how often are they just barely meeting their objective for Gambit? Because, I don't know, it usually looks to me like they've got six or seven cost of created cards. That's that's just my rough estimate. I'm not the one playing it. I'm just, like, double-checking from across the table.
00:34:16
Speaker
But, like, yeah, they're never just doing five. The six notably still has synergy with Valentina. Just a single card to play to meet the requirements.
00:34:28
Speaker
Okay, I ah actually want to talk about Frigga instead. What, like, a different world we're in now than when Frigga released? I remember when she released, because that was my argument, is, like, you really want a player and you want to copy a small card, and the problem is what small card is worth copying? You know what I mean Like, there wasn't any, and now we have so many. It's like, yeah, a lot. I'm like,
00:34:59
Speaker
Yep. Interesting to see Frigga get nerfed. You wouldn wouldn't have believed it a year ago. Right? Victoria Hand. Like, there's so many cards that's just like, yeah, you just want this one small effect from this card a million times. Maybe a year and a half ago. Victoria Hand was out in January. But yeah. ah All right.
00:35:17
Speaker
Gore. They cite this as a negative nerf. This is the sneaky negative nerf that they mentioned. But... Also another nerf that we'll talk about in
Evolving Strategies with Thor and Hammer Decks
00:35:26
Speaker
a sec. It goes from 6-1 to 6-1. They also note wanting to make the Hammers deck stronger. That's a very on-reveal heavy deck.
00:35:35
Speaker
i I guess we might as well mention Mjolnir now does plus seven instead of plus six and Stormbreaker is now a zero four. and Is that enough? Are we going to start seeing the Hammer Bros everywhere? No, no. There's a point where there is there. They're going to push those numbers so high it's suddenly going to break into super OP and it's because of the way people are going to copy it with other cards instead. You know what they to do? They'd have to make Beta Ray Bill a three cost.
00:36:03
Speaker
Yeah, that would help. I think. Or there will just be one single synergy, right? Like we've talked about with with. Yeah, maybe. It'll change. It's like there will be one synergy that comes up in a new card and all of a sudden Hammer's deck is silly and they're going to be getting. nervous You play all your zero costs and for some reason there's a way that it doesn't work with negative at all.
00:36:29
Speaker
I don't know. ri i want to hear you talk about gore. Okay, I do, but first while we're on Thor's, I just have to mention it would be perfect if they did make Beta Ray 3, because in the comics right now, Thor has been written out of the universe, and instead it was always Beta Ray Bill, who was like the original Avenger and stuff. Oh, interesting. like So like, it would be, it would be great.
00:36:54
Speaker
um Make Thor a floor.
00:37:00
Speaker
Yeah. Swap him.
00:37:03
Speaker
um Oh, man. Thor is some weird... like The stuff going on is like twining so much like old Thor lore together. Okay. Gore, though, yeah. Lauren said that because I was complaining before when I was looking at the OTA. was doing show notes earlier. like ah Because I just started playing my small hello deck again. And it's a very tight deck that uses like ghost the first Ghost Rider, which is a 2-7 to discard Gore, to discard Iron man It's like this perfectly compact. I like love this deck. And I just pulled it out again because I got bounties that lined up again. was like, oh, yeah, it's so sad it's so sad to me like to have like him take out a sage or silver samurai discards your go you know what i mean it's like it's hurting them it's helping me ahll bring it all back with hella and um and now it's like this is the same thing for me as like when they buffed electro so that he didn't work with lady death strike anymore it's like oh now he won't
00:38:07
Speaker
now Now he will be... it's He's not minus zero to first Ghost Rider. don't like And they're always hurting my fun decks when they buff these cards. And I don't care about negative. Yeah. yeah I...
00:38:23
Speaker
It reminds me of like when they hurt Mysterio for me, which is like like being an off meta gamer, you don't get hit as often if you like unpopular cards.
00:38:34
Speaker
But when you do get hit, it it it kills the deck like it hurts. um So, yeah, that's that's unfortunate. I mean, I do think first gross writer is probably probably fine at two six.
00:38:49
Speaker
but yeah i think so too after discard and you know hopefully he'll discard iron man instead but i i get i get the pain uh okay then they listed a series of cards that they just they just want to buff was there a clear reason it pretty standard number adjustments um Strange Supreme, two one to 2-2. Kyara, 3-4 to 3-5. Is it enough? I'd be interested if either of you think so. Weapon X Wolverine, 2-2 to 2-3.
00:39:21
Speaker
And Viv Vision, 3-3 to 3-4. They note that Viv is a dangerous one to buff because each point of power she gets makes her exponentially stronger, makes her ability easier to use.
00:39:33
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's the only one of those changes that's really worth paying attention to. I don't think Weapon X is going to have a new lease on life at 2.3. But Viv Vision, maybe. I'm i'm excited about her.
00:39:45
Speaker
I've always been wishing her the best. I was bad already. as I'm a Viv fan. Anything else about any of those four? I don't know. In my head, I'm like, Hammers. What are we doing with Hammers? What are we doing with Hammers? What if you do cute stuff like you destroy the Hammers and then you bring them back with other... We have so many cards that bring back destroyed cards. I don't know. You get his fire hair and misery going.
00:40:12
Speaker
It's a fun deck. Merge him with Strange Supreme. I don't know. There's something probably that already exists if you can just find the right... Because the problem is, like, him yeah, the hammers still suck. Their ability hurts. It's like, you know what i mean? It feels like it makes it, at like, adding more cards your deck to then draw one card and make it... It's like, I get it, but I bet there's already cards out there that, like, super bust this.
00:40:38
Speaker
don't know. Someone will think of it. Okay. Okay.
Personal Stories and Gaming Experiences
00:40:44
Speaker
okay Oh, also I have a painting. I almost took a picture to show you guys earlier when was going down to find summer clothes because it's so warm. I have a painting. ah Well, a print of a painting that I bought from yeah artist of of a Lady Chain.
00:41:02
Speaker
Oh. or Like comic cover art? She does not like to be called Lady Thor. Yeah, someone just painted her because she was cool. It was like when she was new and everyone was like into her. And I was at a convention like at this board game convention and I like bought it and I like talked to the artist like a person text. This is very rare for me back then. So it's memorable. Okay.
00:41:22
Speaker
I missed the note. Finfangfum and Gambit Horseman get banned from High Voltage Overdrive. mystery Mysterio unbanned, as he probably should have been as soon as his ability changed.
00:41:34
Speaker
ah Good. I hope Finfangfum is just banned from every LTGM, honestly. he just He's just too swingy. Just not. I wish they hadn't.
00:41:45
Speaker
I just don't think things. I don't think we needed a seven cost that was like good on right. So those lanes and stuff. Yeah. yeah he's I think it's a good point. That's a good point. But I feel like that effect is pronounced in events, especially things like Grand Arena and high voltage overdrive where you just get the seven energy without doing anything. Mm hmm.
00:42:09
Speaker
And then, of course, Sanctum Showdown, where he just swings a lane. And there are other cards that can do that, but he's probably the most. Nobody like that. Yeah. I like what he adds into playing around him, though, because.
00:42:24
Speaker
You can make him whiff if you just load up your front row with low cost cards, which there are decks that reward you doing that as well now, too. You know what mean? So it's like I will say, like, I agree. he does seem op he but he adds a new way to, like, play around him that I find intriguing. Yeah. Cosmic Ghost Rider introduces the same pressure.
00:42:48
Speaker
It's true. Well, a different pressure. It's also being careful about what's in your front row. One these cards hates Captain Carter, and one of them loves to see Captain Carter.
00:43:02
Speaker
I see. You're right. They're not exactly the same. You have to be considerate of your front row. Just like Negasonic has very slowly trained me to be, when I'm playing two cards in the same lane, I play the smaller one first.
00:43:17
Speaker
On to our side quests. First up, we can snap. Ben? How was your weekend snap? Keep it snappy. Oh, my weekend and snap. Endeavoring to keep it snappy, as I always do, especially when I remember to set that little five-minute timer. But you know what? Super didn't once again.
00:43:35
Speaker
ah But it's always there, counting down in spirit. So I'll do my best to honor when it would be going off. um Well... I've been playing a little bit of Marvel Snap. A lot of it was, in fact, the Ozymandias experimentation that I already talked about. I don't know. i I went through so many decks and they all got deleted because there are only 20 deck slots. and I've got a lot of the, you know, I still keep a lot of my earliest ah decks assembled. i've got I've got a whole bunch of Heimdall move decks that are not exactly seaworthy ah right now, but they are each an interesting piece of my history, and I will i will not i will not be ah disassembling those.
00:44:22
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, it's just, ah it's tight in there. So I don't know, I can only tell you about that one Ozymandias deck that I built because the others are lost to the sands of time seems somewhat fitting anywho other than that I had a great time playing absolutely no high voltage overdrive just dropped the drop the gold got the card got oot Um, most of my card gaming this week has been surprise, surprise, Slay the Spire 2. I am nearing, i think, the end of this stint with Slay the Spire 2.
00:45:00
Speaker
um oh my gosh. Uh, this is a small... digression so there's a beta branch for slay the spire 2 i'm not i'm not even participating in the beta branch i'm i'm going i'm i'm being boring and just playing the the main branch of slay the spire 2 but they're testing some new balance updates in the beta branch and it's got a few fucking crybabies review bombing the game on steam which is seems like the kind of thing snap players would do honestly for what
00:45:36
Speaker
Because of the balance changes? The issue is that they changed a few cards to make it a little harder to go infinite. You can still go infinite. There's still like a zillion ways to go infinite, and it's not... like By the time you've gone infinite, there's usually something in your in your setup, like some relic that's going to deal damage as you do... like If you go infinite, you never really get to go all that infinite because you'll kill the enemy. The enemy will run out of HP and stuff. Like... it But yeah, there are some crybabies who are like, but I wanted it to be really easy to go infinite. and
00:46:11
Speaker
I hate that they're balancing this game in early access and taking away my toys. I guess they're taking away your toys. They're going to take away so many of your toys. That's that's early access. that's like That's the name of the game. Y'all don't even know about the deleted boons in Hades 2.
00:46:27
Speaker
Oh man, all the all the boons that once were, all the different versions of Tidal Ring, all the solar rings that had the prominence flare built in Like, yeah, the game's going to change. It's okay, especially especially when they're making it a little harder to go infinite. That's like good. That's healthy. i want the game to be interesting and challenging and each run to be like unique and distinct and like have emergent, exciting things happen. And if you're just like,
00:46:57
Speaker
making the same three card infinite combo every time. Like that's not, that's not slay this fire y'all. Or at least not, not the way I enjoy it. Um, but yeah, wow.
00:47:08
Speaker
Card gamers can be some fucking cry babies. You heard it here first. Um, so that's interesting. But as I mentioned, I think I am nearing the end of my stint. Good for you, Rhi. Good for you. i always cry.
00:47:21
Speaker
You know, that's also valid, Lauren. Nothing wrong with it. um Everybody poops and at least half of people cry. um So I think I'm nearing the end of my time with Slay the Spire, at least until a bunch more content gets added or something or until more ascensions get added. Because that's right, folks. I'm almost out of ah stickers to earn. Wow.
00:47:47
Speaker
I'm... doing ascensions 9 and 10, and they've only got 10 ascensions right now. ah So with that, I don't know what i don't know what I'll do after that probably go back to Mugenics for a bit. Maybe there'll be a new Montabi playtest that isn't at the same time that new Slay the Spire content is out. So like I could actually...
00:48:08
Speaker
give Montabi some time if, if they do another one of those, but yeah, I'll probably be back on Mugenics also probably just this week for the first time. And well, at least a couple weeks, I, uh, I wielded the old controller and I played a little bit of Hades too, doing some fresh filed labbing, you know, seeing, seeing what to do there. I'm,
00:48:35
Speaker
still, still chasing that sub 20 with no beach ball or a breaker rush. It's, uh, it's a, it's a harder road to hope, but in my opinion, a more fulfilling one, uh, that's, that's pretty exciting. Um,
00:48:51
Speaker
for me uh other than that i don't know all kinds of kinds of games on the horizon that not new games oh my gosh these two new games that i've purchased mugenics and slay the spire 2 in in a two-month period it's unheard of it's fiscally irresponsible and i shan't be repeating it um so no new games until i don't know after yeah i don't know no new games ever again uh i doubt that yeah maybe maybe uh who else had a weekend snap let's hear about it
00:49:32
Speaker
three Okay, um so unfortunately, i also, i didn't have anything I was really interested to talk about in Snap, so I have prepared a a re-let ah for you um
Historical Insights and Artistic Challenges
00:49:49
Speaker
that ah has some, like, real short things and some longer things, so we'll go through it until I've talked too long. I'm too tired.
00:49:59
Speaker
um So please um pick a number between 1 and 4.
00:50:07
Speaker
but where we We are both... I was muted because I was doing some coughing. I say three. And also, I say three with an R-I-E in it. Because portmanteaus. Oh, that's really good. Oh, nice. I like it. Mine was going to be four, but you know we could do three first.
00:50:23
Speaker
Okay. So, three? Was that... Oh, my gosh. Okay. I'm doing some research for a next project. Um...
00:50:34
Speaker
And i learned, okay, you know the story of Jason and the Golden Fleece? Yes. Right? Okay. The origin, I thought this was so interesting.
00:50:46
Speaker
I just wanted to share. So the Golden Fleece, right, actually has like an origin in history. So like the idea is, so we went down into Africa, right? And they saw this golden fleece and it's like, it's the, I'm probably mispronouncing this because to be honest, I've only read it and never, ever heard it said Colchis.
00:51:06
Speaker
And, um, You know, and so that's where the Golden Fleece was found and they were they found in the region. OK, so it turns out in very specific areas um where you can like you can pan for gold in rivers. Right. It's like the American West. You know, there's all the stories of the gold panning there. And this is one of the few places in one where you could actually like kind of pan for these gold particles.
00:51:32
Speaker
And it turns out like sheepskin is like very good at like panning, like at like getting these little gold flecks out of like the water and capturing them. And then they would hang them up in the trees to dry. And they would, so it'd be covered with all these gold flecks. And while it's like, They can't, like, super confirm, obviously, because it's so far in the past. But it's like the Greeks didn't, like, know about gold pants. They, like, imported their gold mostly, and it was, like, through other means.
00:52:05
Speaker
So when they traveled down and just saw these, like, golden, like sheepskins are hanging in the trees like they thought right it seemed like magic or like you know like like gold sheep exist or like you know um but it was just really like an old method for collecting gold and they have other like you know and and it seems right because it's like the way they depict the golden fleece like hanging in the trees and stuff like that um Anyway, I just thought that was, like, super interesting. Because I'm like, oh, yeah, why is it a golden fleece? And I just, I'm reading this book about this, this this like, woman who had just, like, wanted to know those things. And it's, like, investigating all these, like like, but where did it come from? But why do they think Griffins, you know? Like, where did, you know, all this? And it's like, oh, I find that so interesting.
00:52:58
Speaker
Like, I feel like we would have been friends, like, another time. Anyway, so... Um, that was, sorry, that was number three. I pick number four. Okay.
00:53:10
Speaker
All right. And then that'll probably be it because that was actually one of the longer ones. Okay. This was something like I had actually briefly talked about before. So last i was talking about a new ah project that I'm working on um because I know I still I've talked about my Merm Game rumor on um the podcast before and i was like in holding for it for a long time because I got music for free for it. I'm so excited. and play for it for you is so good. um And so we're holding it for that. And now we're trying to like, we're finding all the final steps of like going through the process of like getting it out. So there's these things ah holding it up. But I'm looking at, you know, now I'm like, okay, I got to figure out um like marketing and release it, you know, all these things. And it's like,
00:54:02
Speaker
We're in a different world of how to do things, you know, even than we were a little bit like and the Internet keeps changing. And I found this like rant it was on Substack. I just like randomly ran ran into it and it was talking about specifically kind of like ah the death of Spotify. But broadly,
00:54:21
Speaker
ah It made me think more broadly anyway about how. um So if you didn't know um the way Spotify funds um its artists, is that like you've. This is how it makes sense and how you would think. It's like, oh, well, they get a listen per stream or something. No. How they do it is that like there's like a set amount of like bank for like paying out to people, and then like they percentage base it, right? So all the money goes to the highest percentages. So like...
00:54:55
Speaker
If you listen to some small indie artists like all a month, right, all the money you paid for Spotify is still going to go to some big artist you never listen to because they just have a bigger share of the market.
00:55:08
Speaker
And he was talking about how Spotify with a big spread, it's no longer good for artists, right? For most artists, like the vast, like everything kind of in our world, like if you're not in this very small, not really achievable number, um when you look at that number, there's just like a ton of nepotism usually in these small numbers. It's like there's this myth that you can like break into it, but the reality is like most people are born into or near it. And um so like this idea, though, like, right, is it's like when the Internet started for us, like, you know, it was this way to get discoveries fresh because they didn't find ways to like clamp down everything. And now,
00:55:50
Speaker
um Like Spotify, it's like it's not good for artists. So what you see is you start seeing these artists leave Spotify because, well, for a while was like, well, this is the only way your music gets heard. But it's like if it is not putting bread, it's not keeping you in the business of what you are doing, then what is the point of even being heard? You can't keep doing it. And it talked about how artists are now leaving.
00:56:13
Speaker
to go like do to basically just form their own communities, kind of like a resurgence of the original Internet. Right. These people are like making their own discords. It's about building your own community that like likes you and supports you, because like even be beyond Spotify, look at how the the algorithm operates like in so many different arenas. Right. It's controlled. Right. And it's not to say no one ever can like break like viral from nothing. But for them, you know, the majority, it's like or if you're achieving it right, something you could get made could get just get stolen and used for reaction video on YouTube. Another big thing, right, was that so many people's original YouTube videos weren't getting watched, but people were watching
00:57:02
Speaker
streamers just sitting and reacting to the YouTube. That's what they were watching. So like the original content, like it's not sustainable, right? So then those people, it's, it's, they were shifting to look for, okay, we used to chase the algorithm. How can we, how can we like, how can we adhere to the robot brain to like, you know, get further. And there was a point I think we're learning that was rewarding, kind of like the idea of statistics, like they were useful when they first came out and you could use them to judge players. But once everyone knew about them,
00:57:40
Speaker
You know, and and now it's like chasing that is no longer like a viable way for someone who is not already big to be sustainable. And I just thought it was a really interesting um thought about like it. So when I am looking at something like how do i you know, how do I market a game, you know, and I'm you know, and like Warren has looked at a lot of stuff like this too and shares stuff. And it's just kind of like, how are we navigating this? It's really built to like, just funnel all of your efforts up. You know what I mean? Without like rewarding you for them. How do you fight that to be able to make what you make sustainable? And I was, I was telling like this idea, it's the same idea of like, of like leveraged buyouts and, uh, you know, like, uh,
00:58:33
Speaker
ah like private financing and stuff where it's just like hollowing out stuff. It's like not sustainable. The people who are vulturing content, or making it they're not making it, right? They're just taking pieces of it. And if you don't sustain the creators, I don't know, now I've mixed this with like a rant. I was being like, how do we, you know, how do we change and stuff? And now it's just like, but you know, you know how it is.
00:59:01
Speaker
But um I don't know. I just thought it was like it was just like an interesting it was an interesting observation that blew up in my mind into a lot of thoughts. um Feel free to share if you have anything there. Otherwise, i think that would be my.
00:59:15
Speaker
I I've talked quite a bit for my week. I appreciate and enjoyed it. Oh yeah. I do. I do wish it was easier to just make art or even doesn't have to be art just for the world to let us do the things our brains are broken for, you know, be a better place.
00:59:33
Speaker
Yeah. Honestly, I don't know how you can talk about the topic at all without taking it somewhere. Rant. ranty you know i mean it's the most it's it's one of those rant worthy matters of the day
00:59:51
Speaker
That was like, that was the freedom of the Internet is that you could reach your art. Because it's like when you think about art through history, it's always been controlled by money. Right.
01:00:01
Speaker
People is like the church had all the money, you know, like the Catholic Church. So that's where all the painters went. Right. You'd have ah as an artist, you would look for a rich patron, you know, and you're like doing all these portraits of like people's kids you don't care about and stuff like that. Yeah. right And then we found a way where it's like, oh, you could connect.
01:00:22
Speaker
With people to like, you know, so it wasn't. And now we're back to like, it's like. Right. It was really democratizing and. ah Egalitarian. Yeah. Now it's ah they're breaking it down. I don't. I also see articles about people trying to claw that back and kind of going for a very anti machine Internet. And that's interesting. I don't know where that's going to go, but.
01:00:49
Speaker
It's hard. But the thing is, if it's like if you're chasing something that is already proven to not sustain, you know what i mean? To like not reward you, then you have to move somewhere else. And that's not to say like I'm going to revolutionize it. But it's like you have no option but to creatively search for something different because what is chasing what is there will not will not get you anything. You know, like playing by their system that's just meant to take your efforts, you know, and like suck the juice out of them and be like, yes, please. keep You know, yeah it's it's not a game that you can play. Yeah.
01:01:26
Speaker
It's something I mourn for myself and even more so for my child. are just like My child is such an artist and like school doesn't really feel like the right fit and like corporate America definitely doesn't feel like the right fit.
01:01:40
Speaker
I want my kid to just be able to create amazing art and I think he could make an amazing difference in the world and like contribute to the world in a way that matters, but like hard to survive that way. Not impossible, but it's hard.
01:01:53
Speaker
Yeah. you can you can do good stuff as long as you're like not that interested in like eating tonight or whatever right yeah exactly you can't because like you do like if you don't eat then you die eventually yeah that's the thing yeah oh i yeah i hate hate how much of my time i am donating to something i have no passion for ah my job uh okay
01:02:25
Speaker
Sorry if you're listening, Job. i don't I don't think any of them are, but you know, if they are. I like my job for a job. It just doesn't, you know, it doesn't, ah it doesn't make my heart sing.
01:02:35
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Um,
Dragon Ball Z Kai and The Thisy Awards
01:02:37
Speaker
all right. My, I can snap. I did a snap clip. It's discarding 13 Maros. That's all going to say about that. Oh, I also so had a very good deck name, which is quiver of Maros.
01:02:50
Speaker
Oh, word play. I always feel good when I can come up with a good, good deck name. Um, The other thing I want to talk about, a DBZ, of all things. Did either of you watch DBZ as children or or as adults?
01:03:05
Speaker
I've seen some of it for sure. It was on before and after things I wanted to watch, but I have had a long-held disdain for it. ah Yeah. I think maybe the first, like...
01:03:18
Speaker
I don't know. The the first funny thing i I remember thinking to myself, huh, that's a funny thought, is ah I observed that the first half of Dragon Ball z is called previously on Dragon Ball Z, and the second half of Dragon Ball Z is called next time on Dragon Ball Right. That's definitely what I thought about it. So I went 37. I went I went 37 years of my life without having seen it.
01:03:43
Speaker
oh wow Maybe maybe I'd seen a couple of the early episodes here and there. My friends were super duper into it in like late elementary, early middle school. Yeah.
01:03:56
Speaker
And so I knew a lot about it through osmosis, but it didn't interest me. So like there were other things they were into that that I also watched like Zoids. I loved then. We were all into that, but Dragon Ball wasn't a super duper into. um But my wife has been was watching Dragon Ball lately and I kind of got into it and then She decided to watch Dragon Ball Z Kai. And now that's just... That's what we're doing at night. That's our show right now is Dragon Ball Z Kai.
01:04:20
Speaker
Which, if you don't know, is like a faster version of Dragon Ball Z. There's more to it than that. But they cut the filler episodes and they remastered some stuff. Anyway, I'm loving it. It's really fun. It reminds me of... Of...
01:04:32
Speaker
of my previous my My ex-girlfriend had me watching Naruto, something that I just brushed off. Even though it is so wildly popular, there must be something to that. I was like, but it's just probably just another shonen, right? But then like I watched it and loved it and and and then stopped watching it at some random point when we broke up. But you know someday, maybe I'll get back to it.
01:04:53
Speaker
I don't know what my point is other than i am watching Dragon Ball Z for the first time and it's fun. um It is, you know, it's a little vapid. It's shounen, but um not that all shounen's bad. I love My Hero Academia. If you don't know shounen is like... Shounen's the word for like manga and anime target targeted it at like young boys, teen boys.
01:05:16
Speaker
Yeah. So it's all the superhero shit um that's not super duper violent. And i like I like all kinds of anime. You know what I have been with? I've got to do a real quick shout out for Steel Ball Run on Netflix. That's right. New Jojo. It's like Ultimate Jojo. It's not in the same continuity.
01:05:37
Speaker
um Check out New Zeppeli's Grill. If that doesn't sell you on the show, I don't know what will. It's a fun time. There's only one out yet. ah Looking forward to the second one because the first one was fun.
01:05:51
Speaker
All right. Sorry. but Yeah. No, you're good. I would love to tell you I only like mature anime or anime for the girlies, but I really do love all of it. And it turns out that, you know, ah regardless of of media or genre, you can tell a good story.
01:06:10
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's don't That's where that thought is. ah I've been flabbergasted by how cool the the concept of fusion is. And despite having access to that very cool concept, they hardly ever use it. I'm like, you have so many characters. Why didn't you mix and mash them in all these different ways? it I don't know.
01:06:35
Speaker
I don't know why they don't do it. That's something that Steven Universe did better. I'll say it. Yeah. All right. For sure. On to our secret homework. When it Steven Universe, I'm like, this is that shit from Dragon Ball.
01:06:47
Speaker
Yeah, there's um there's a straight up fusion dance, right? But... my gosh. In Steven Universe, you get to see all the different mixes. Once my, um, they're both gone from the soccer team now, but I love how, like, nerd, how, like, I feel like DBZ, like, alone, like, pushed anime, like, mainstream. Like, where two my soccer players did the little, like, fusion, like. Oh, really? That's after they scored a goal. Yeah.
01:07:18
Speaker
know and then you see like there were like wrestlers like ah pro wrestlers referencing you know anime and JRPGs and stuff and I'm just like you know i think Sailor Moon also played a very big role there catch writing evil by moonlight bringing anime to the west smells never running from a real fight it go ahead she's the one called see the moon or yeah i don't think those are the words um yeah you were more they sounded right to me and i watched that show a lot as a kid um because that's how my sister was you know we we got it we got to get the the real source material
01:08:00
Speaker
Yeah. Fascinating stuff. Oh, you know, she had the, the, she ordered the bootleg VHS tapes with the, with the fan subtitles and everything. Oh, we were, we were deep in the Sailor Moon, uh, world. Yeah.
01:08:14
Speaker
Yeah. I had the dolls and still my mom insists that she, there's no way she could have seen it coming when I came out as trans, but yeah. Yeah.
01:08:25
Speaker
ah Because every 10-year-old little boy is into is into Sailor Moon dolls. Okay. On to our secret homework. This week's secret your homework from Ben. Oh, that's right.
01:08:37
Speaker
um It's, you know, this it's that time of year again. we didn't do it last year on the air, but you can imagine that privately we had our own Snappy Awards that the listeners just weren't privy to because we're we're back again.
01:08:55
Speaker
It's awards season on Snap on This. It's the Thisy Awards. And ah I announced the categories last week. But before we get into it,
01:09:07
Speaker
I got to open with a song, right? That's that's how all the best awards shows start. um Unfortunately, I've not written my own song for this, so I will be borrowing from another awards show.
01:09:18
Speaker
ah But if if you know it, you can sing along at home, not on the Zoom call because there's a delay and that shit just doesn't work. But if if you know this one, sing along at home. Who will be the baby of the year? Look at their rolls. Look at their folds. Look at their rummy, bummy tummies. Heads around, bellies are squishy. Look at their toes like so many curled canned shrimp.
01:09:45
Speaker
Are they ticklish? Are they jiglish? Can they be tricked? Can they be chucked? Which ones will move? Which ones will talk, but more important, which ones can die?
01:10:06
Speaker
right we just watched that like two days ago yeah it's a fucking banger right have no idea what what that is from uh it's from i think you should leave from the very first episode very first episode I feel like I should watch that. what it' Oh, it's so good. It's so good. It's like, it's one of my favorite things for you. Your subreddit keeps like showing up on my feed and i'm like, ah, these feel like my people.
01:10:31
Speaker
I haven't seen the show though. probably are if I'm being honest.
01:10:37
Speaker
Okay. So now that the song's out of the way, um the first category. I don't even know if we should go with the first category is pretty big. I feel like maybe we should save it for the end, but let's just do them in the order. They were announced best season of 2025.
01:10:54
Speaker
um I think i it was really hard to narrow this one down, which, you know, i i was surprised. So many of these seasons I had some fondness for. I feel like sometimes it's easy to remember the stinkers. I'm looking at you, Undead Horde.
01:11:12
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the The seasons, for those who have forgotten. Are Dark Avengers, Brave New World, Prehistoric Avengers, What If, New X-Men, Masters of the Arcane, Fantastic Four, Heralds of Galactus, Visions of the Future, Undead Horde, Arachnid Anarchy, and Weapon X. um So if I had to pick one, and I guess maybe I do, i think I'm giving it to Masters of the Arcane.
01:11:40
Speaker
um i thought about... I thought about maybe doing ranked choice voting, but it just sounded like a little more work. So ah we're just keeping it loose. i'm I'm saying Masters of the Arcane, but I would love to shout out the What If season, the new X-Men season, and of course, Arachnid Anarchy.
01:11:58
Speaker
ah these These are all some of the strongest seasons I think Marvel Snap has ever 2025?
01:12:06
Speaker
May secretly have been kind of a good year. I don't know if I would have... You know, if you'd asked me last week, was 2025 one of the best years for Snap? I'd probably have said no.
01:12:16
Speaker
But, um hey, there were some good times. Were there not? I don't know. what Which seasons did you folks like?
01:12:26
Speaker
You guys go ahead first. Oh, me? Okay. I'm doing the new homework, so... Oh, okay. So we'll go in that order. Got it. Okay. So i went with the prehistoric Avengers. strong.
01:12:41
Speaker
I liked Agamotto and I thought it was a good variety. I know like they're not all like the strongest cards that people still play, but I thought they were like... Yeah, there's like a lot of interesting cards. That's what I'm saying, right? It was... There wasn't there wasn't like the AI swap. They were all like cards that were doing stuff.
01:12:59
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And I love Agamotto still. Yeah, Agamotto is cool. Any other honorable mentions? any Anybody else that you want to shout out?
01:13:12
Speaker
i have them for other categories, but not this one. That's fine. That's just fine. There's no wrong way to participate in the Thisi Awards. um i had a lot of i had I had to think about how I was doing this because the category is best season. and it's like What does that mean? Is it my favorite? I don't know that any of the bests are also my favorites.
01:13:33
Speaker
ah I also don't know if any of the bests are the strongest. so i was I was very torn all around. and Ultimately, I decided for my best votes to go to the best designs, the ones that I thought just you know, kind of that felt like a ah good overall thing.
01:13:50
Speaker
It's like at the strongest season, especially in retrospect, I think was Dark Avengers. That's got Iron Patriot and Victoria Hand and Moonstone. Like it has a lot of makers in there.
01:14:01
Speaker
that um ah Funnily enough, I gave the the nod for best to Undead Horde. you didn't. What?
01:14:12
Speaker
What? i I know. ah This is a season that I do not like it thematically. And so, this was like ah it was a hard as a hard thing to give my nod to. But I think they did a great job introducing a new archetype.
01:14:28
Speaker
And keeping it because they buffed it three times. Well, yeah yeah. I mean, so the, so the balance maybe wasn't there, but like the designs were good, the way it was spread across multiple series, the way that there were horde cards that could hook into other archetypes in the way that there were zombies that weren't horde cards. And I just like, I think that they like, if I was like, Hey, you need to invent a new keyword and make an entire season around it. I actually think they, they kind of crushed it.
01:14:55
Speaker
Um, Not that you still see tons of zombies today, but like, you see them sometimes? Sometimes they're good. Yeah, and i see I see Mr. F around. Mr. F. I played some for Sanctum, but to be honest, I still don't have all the important cards for the zombie deck.
01:15:14
Speaker
And I know there's some that like don't go with it, are important but I don't have zombie Mr. Fantastic, so I've still not gotten to play like full-on zombies too. It has some big fails too, right? Zombie Captain Marvel and Zombie Sentry are both bad cards.
01:15:29
Speaker
but But like Head Pool, decent card, locks into a ah completely different archetype. Mr. Fantastic, as mentioned, is a Horde card, but doesn't really play in the Horde archetype.
01:15:43
Speaker
Hunger and Zombie Giant Man are both great Series 4 cards. Well, one's Series 4 and one's Event, right? Yeah. Yeah.
Favorite Shows and Characters in Marvel Snap
01:15:50
Speaker
anyway ah My favorite favorite was a lot harder because there were several ah themes that I liked. But I picked What If because I was... i don't know if I would have ever seen... like i I doubted that we would ever see What If, but I love that show. And so it was very exciting to see some of my favorites like Captain Carter and Kohori actually make it as cards. Hopefully someday we'll get another one so we can have Birdie. But, you know, ah it was a great start.
01:16:17
Speaker
I liked that season.
01:16:20
Speaker
I mean, aren't we getting another one? Isn't that... in the Is that confirmed? No, they... Glenn's emoji hints, I don't know that we ever covered them on the show, but it was later revealed that the question mark was for... They're doing... What's it called? Avalon? They're doing, like, Britain.
01:16:40
Speaker
Knights shit. Yeah. Yeah. And we're getting surfer jubilee as part of a beachy season. Is that? That's right. Yep. In June. okay
01:16:53
Speaker
Though she is from what if, right? She's like just a glance in what if. She just flashes by. Yeah. i mean, maybe there's a comic book basis that I'm unfamiliar with, but I think that's i think that's straight off the Disney+. plus They have enough cool cards to do a second what-if season, or enough cool characters they haven't touched. Who doesn't want Detective Nebula? I mean, come on.
01:17:18
Speaker
Yeah. Everyone loves Detective Nebula. Yeah, everyone does love Detective Nebula. All right, we've got consensus on that. Get get with the show, Graham. Second dinner. Give us Detective Nebula.
01:17:30
Speaker
After Runaways, but yes. All right, so I guess, do we narrow it down to one? I... Honestly, i could I could shift camps to what if. It was it was definitely my second place ah my and my second place season. Honestly, if I allow myself to consider buffed Captain Carter, not forecast Captain Carter, i don't know.
01:17:57
Speaker
I could go for either what if or Masters of the Arcane if we have to have a single winner. Rhi, what do you think? Masters of the Arcane versus what if?
01:18:10
Speaker
Well, I'm just discussing and like trying to like if we could give the this a show one you know.
01:18:20
Speaker
I think. I think I would pick what is between the two, even though it's close, I really like. Oh, I said Masters already keen but i Arcane, but I meant BC. BC had lots of fun designs in it.
01:18:31
Speaker
but Yeah, yeah, Prehistoric Avengers was a good season. Honestly, if if everybody's feeling strong on Prehistoric Avengers, even though it was not one of the ones I listed, like i could I could throw my support behind it. It was a good season.
01:18:45
Speaker
it It would have been my runner-up, but... All right, let's do it. Prehistoric Avengers, congratulations. You have won the first public...
01:18:58
Speaker
thisy for the best season of 2025 or, or really any, any year. Cause when we did the awards last year in secret, it was so secret that we may not even remember having done it.
01:19:13
Speaker
Anywho, next category, best card in a season pass role. um I suppose I will mention mine first. Um,
01:19:27
Speaker
As I've said on the podcast before, I do think that sort of like the the poster child for a well-balanced season pass card 2025 or any other year.
01:19:41
Speaker
Galactus first steps, not my favorite season pass card, but the one that I think is doing the job the way it should be done. That's a good card. They haven't buffed it. They haven't nerfed it. People still play it it. No one got angry at it. true It's It's got engaging gameplay. You can interact with it. Yeah.
01:20:04
Speaker
yeah I respect it. I don't like I'm going to be honest. So we're going to talk about the season pass cards that I do like. I like that Captain Carter, that three cost Captain Carter specifically. Although I do think that forecast or forecast Captain Carter would have eventually seen, seen some daylight, I think. um After Maverick. Yeah. Yeah. Yep.
01:20:29
Speaker
Specifically then. and But Probably, i think it's for the best that we got three cost Captain Carter, and I love her so much. I'm very excited to play her all the time in all kinds of decks, playing her in the rock deck, um rocks rock. um And I'm playing her in all kinds of other decks. Just a really fun card, but yo.
Merlin and Sam Wilson's Popularity in Decks
01:20:51
Speaker
I feel like the listeners know there's there's a name that I got to say here for the best season pass card of 2025. The one that I love the most. The one that, ah you know, they've nerfed it twice and I'm still playing it.
01:21:07
Speaker
That's right. The universal presence of Merlin is felt here. Oh, yes. I love Merlin. i love those spells. I just, man, what a good card. What a cool card. What a fun card.
01:21:20
Speaker
I feel good when Merlin's around. i just, I love seeing that you played magic and just knowing that I'm getting all the goddamn cubes today. Oh, wow. Merlin, what a guy What a mensch.
01:21:34
Speaker
ah Oh, OK. So those those those are my ah those those are my three that I'm nominating here. um i like thinking about it for different reasons. Yeah.
01:21:47
Speaker
Okay, I also went with Merlin, undeniable. I think, yeah, I feel like a lot of good season cards, obviously, a lot of them are good.
01:21:58
Speaker
But Merlin, right, also, like, still, even double nerfed has knocked Nico off her throne, right? Honestly, i feel like... They could sometimes, but I feel like when you're picking between the two for, you know, whatever reason, lot times it's going be Merlin. Unless it's, like, for Destroy or whatever. But, like, and that's one reason I picked Merlin. He goes in so many different kinds of decks, right? He's got a lot of versatility because the tools are good for a lot of things.
01:22:32
Speaker
um You know, so... And right, it's just it's like ah a card that gives you the ability to change location as just one of its tools, like makes a lot of other cards lot weaker, to be honest. so um yeah, to me, I felt like it, it you know, had had to be. about you, Lauren? Lauren?
01:22:59
Speaker
ah I considered Merlin strongly for boast but for both best and favorite, but ultimately went with Sam Wilson for both best and favorite. Definitely the one I have played the most, even after all the nerfs. I admit I haven't played him nearly as much since he gained the on reveal instead of starting with the shield on the board. That...
01:23:23
Speaker
That and Mysterio kind of hurt my favorite deck in the game, but still, I think it's a super cool design. i think it is a great example of a card that can be used in a ton of different ways. Lots of flexibility.
01:23:37
Speaker
um and Even the new version can go very easily into Aurora decks because of its double keyword plus an extra ongoing card. The thing that I think both Sam Wilson and Merlin do well is they give you things to play with. They're they're kind of like toys, like everything. Every turn you just throw out another spell or every turn you get to move that shield.
01:23:59
Speaker
And i gave the ah gave the edge to Sam Wilson because he's just a much more approachable card between the two. I think that Merlin is a more of a card gamer card, whereas Sam Wilson is an everybody card.
01:24:14
Speaker
Sam Wilson is super good. I do like Sam Wilson a lot. And I do think as far as season pass cards go, it's up there with Galactus, although they have had to touch it more, you know, but like kind of liked every version of Sam Wilson and, you know, I haven't played it as consistently as you have Lauren, but I've gone through some Sam Wilson phases, uh, throughout the, throughout the year.
01:24:40
Speaker
And I'm playing Sam Wilson right now in Rock's Rock. And i've I've played it in a lot, Aurora Decks. And i'm you know i'm happy I'm happy about the card. I got positive associations with Sam Wilson. i think also great card for new players or players with limited collections.
01:24:59
Speaker
And it does feel like a toy that you get to play with and find cool things to do. And so it's a very compelling case made for Sam Wilson. That said, I can very easily be persuaded for Merlin.
01:25:12
Speaker
Yeah, I do kind of have to ride for right for the the wizard. I don't know. But I don't know. re what What do you think?
01:25:24
Speaker
Are you swayed by these Sam Wilson arguments? Okay, she it did just make me, I was like, oh, I do want to play Aurora Sam Wilson. I love Sam Wilson. I like Sam Wilson more than Merlin, specifically because I don't like clogging my hand with polymorphs.
01:25:41
Speaker
And I don't like polymorphs. I love Cersei. She's so fun. Clogging with polymorphs. I don't even know what that is, Rhi. I don't even know what that is. You don't know?
01:25:53
Speaker
i I always want more polymorphs. Really? Those are the ones I tend to play least because they're so unrelated. Because I feel like with Cersei, you're usually doing cards, you have more of an idea of what they'll be. They'll be more good. And they'll be more good. What am I saying? But you know what i mean? Like, it's like, okay, I do want to transform. Like, like you know, it could become a Black Panther or something. But with polymorph, you're usually using it on tiny cards that easily can become a card. You know what i mean? There's so much less. it's I like a randomness, but like in different situations. Anyway, so like I usually just sometimes I just won't play them. Or I'll just play them on empty i like things to move werewolf around. where they're Sure. it's like We do occasionally have to play a polymorph without a target. That is true. Sometimes you do just let one go to make room in your hand.
01:26:48
Speaker
The last time I was playing Merlin actually with like a Prowler deck and all of this, i kept like my he kept clogging my hand. with like I'm like, I don't want to play this Prowler. I feel like that's problem that's Prowler's problem. i was just I was just talking about how I had to put in an extra one cost so that I could be clearing out room in my hand for Prowler skills.
01:27:08
Speaker
Oh, okay. So I got to start. The whole point, sorry, was that I was excited and you're like, oh, Aurora was Sam Wilson. I'm like, oh, I could, like, that's like a mid-range-y debt of different tools. Like, Aurora gives you a way to put, like, I'm like, ah! And it excited me for a deck, which I like, it's like, I like to jump on those because I don't get as excited anymore because I don't just spend time thinking about Snap like I used to And um I'm like, I want to put together a little Aurora tools. And so I i have, like, okay, have been I have, like, eight cards I don't I have some of the series five, but I can roll twice.
01:27:42
Speaker
And the first time I just did it just now when you're talking. And I got like ah Mr. Fantastic Zombie first. I'm like, well, there you are. mention you And then I was like, okay, okay. We blow the last of the tokens and I got her. And now I can build a Sam Wilson back. Okay. Sorry. Awesome. Aurora very fun cooking card. It's true. Okay.
01:28:07
Speaker
I will say I'm fascinated that you're like clock your hand with polymorphs because I'm that way about once in future. I do not get that card. I have tried to get that card because I know Ben loves once in future. but for me, that is for me, that is the one I do not want. Do not give me once in future. I want anything else.
01:28:22
Speaker
Well, here's the thing. You know it's a Merlin deck if you're running good targets for Polymorph and Once in Future, and that's pretty easy to line up because they like the same kinds of cards. And like if if you have good Once in Future slash Polymorph targets, it's a Merlin deck.
01:28:38
Speaker
If you don't, It's not a Merlin deck. Like I faced this with Rock's Rock, the Aurora deck that I've been talking about all episode. I always feel naked when I can't fit Merlin in a deck, especially if it's, you know, kind of mid-rangey. But the thing is, there were not appropriate targets for Once and Future and Polymorph, so it couldn't be a Merlin deck.
01:29:00
Speaker
which was heartbreaking. But, you know, I guess that's why Sam Wilson's there because, yeah, they're they're not really friends. You never see them in the same place at the same time, Sam Wilson and ah Merlin. Are they the same guy? Who knows?
01:29:15
Speaker
I think I was running both of them in my pet. I'm not saying it can't be done. i just find that they clash. That's that's been my experience. You're absolutely correct. Likes to play both of them.
01:29:26
Speaker
No, you're correct. Merlin was a clash in that deck, but he was still fun. Um, OK, so who are we giving it to? Are we giving it to Merlin?
01:29:36
Speaker
That would be my preference, but like I do. ah You made a beautiful case for Sam Wilson. Rhi, what do you think? Okay, so, you know, yeah, Sam Wilson, low-key favorite, like, maybe maybe should have won. There's always those contenders where it's like, it was stolen! But I think that since we both chose Merlin, it like, it kind of makes sense to go with Merlin, right? andra it Yeah.
01:29:59
Speaker
Alright. But Sam Wilson does get the the official big this-y shout-out. the The most honorable mention. We love you, Sam. If you're listening...
01:30:12
Speaker
I blew on tokens. Also, Anthony Mackie, if you're listening, we love you too.
01:30:18
Speaker
All right. i think we're ready to move on the best card in a Series 5 role. Now, this one is ah a much wider field, obviously, of ah possible contenders. I honestly felt a bit lost in the supermarket myself.
01:30:35
Speaker
um I don't know. it was hard. I went with Surge. Who do y'all love for a series five? oh
01:30:46
Speaker
Oh, you just sold me. I mean, like, I just forgot. I was looking through. card There's so many cards, right? And I yeah somehow miss surge. And I'm like, wow. ah guys Okay. No, sorry. Good call.
01:31:02
Speaker
who who you have more to say ok Who did you pick? I was i was so daunted by the the the many products on the shelf. I know it was daunting. Alright, so this is the first one where it's just sort of went like... Yeah. What do you got?
01:31:18
Speaker
Okay, sorry. just like join me I didn't want to um Okay. i ah This is one where I started having, yeah, lots of thoughts. And um I wanted to give personal shout out, even though I know it can't be best series of five, Hydra Stomper.
01:31:37
Speaker
for For building moves that I love, I did not like playing move, right, at all. and I loved Silk, right? And Silk stopped kind of like being good non-move decks, right? Like, I used to play in all kinds of shenanigans. And Hydra Stomper was the key to pulling in this... I i love a Hydra Hummer, Silk, Batrock the Leaper. And Hydra Stomper kind of like...
01:32:02
Speaker
is necessary to that. So like, thank you, Hydrastomber, for taking an old enemy and turning it into a friend. Okay. And then um i had to give honorable mentions um to Invis Woman First Steps and maverick um because they're just really strong cards yeah like um but then but the the one i gave it to was victoria one of the very first cards of 2025 um had to look it up i'm like well she was in 20 contender right but it's like i sort of think of her as being a villain of the year this is interesting
01:32:42
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Right. She started and this trend. She was the first one where it's like copy. I mean, not the first. I'm sure there's other ones. But like, you you know, you like put these copies of her into play like started that trend. She's really strong. She also still enables like shield stuff that's fun. um And I feel like.
01:33:03
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ah Yeah, I don't know. It's where landed. What about you, Lauren? That's an interesting choice. Can squeeze one little Maverick thought in? Because I thought about picking Maverick as well, but then I thought about like what his role is in like the evolution of the game, and especially as we look at all these datamined Maverick-like cards, I'm like...
01:33:29
Speaker
Is Maverick, are are we the baddies? um So i I don't know. i don't know. That's that's just like a part of my deliberation was like, ah I love Maverick and I love hanging out with him and making big broods and stuff. But like, is he a force for good in this game? Or is he a herald of bad times to come and worse things? I don't know.
01:33:53
Speaker
Lauren, what's in your heart? Who's on your ballot? um Unlike you being overwhelmed with the supermarket, it was extremely easy for me to pick my favorite Series 5, Firehair. No questions asked. Didn't have to look at the list. She's one of my favorite cards in the game. Such a cool design. You can do so many cool things with her.
01:34:12
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ah Best was a little harder and there are definitely a bunch that are super strong, but I ultimately picked one herbaceous crumb as the best designed series five card, an excellent introduction to robots being activate a card that as far as I know, hasn't been tuned.
01:34:30
Speaker
Maybe it's had an adjustment, but i don't think it has. um And that's impressive to make a Merlin or Niko type card that does not need to be tuned. um And pretty strong, too. Not the strongest, but pretty strong. Didn't land on its feet partially because of bugs, I think. um But it seems strong to play now. I i like it a lot.
01:34:51
Speaker
Yeah, cool card that I do not play enough gets my vote for the best. ah So we have a bunch of different answers to choose through. think Surge is pretty compelling.
01:35:05
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like Herbie.
01:35:09
Speaker
Rhi, who did you have again? You had someone... had Hand, but I do... I would, I would like, Surge is just so good in like, universally almost. But like, anytime it's like, what card? It's like, there's rare that she's not good to put in.
01:35:29
Speaker
But as surprised as I was when you said Victoria Hand, the more i thought about it, the more I'm like, that's a card that has changed the game. And also like, you know, is kind of an archetype unto herself.
01:35:43
Speaker
And also like, she sort of brings that Victoria hand flavor, like wherever you put her, like there are different things you can do with Victoria hand. And like, I i don't, I feel like maybe my personal distaste for what she's about, like may have been
Victoria Hand's Impact on Game Dynamics
01:35:59
Speaker
blinding me. Like it was a very impactful card that, you know, for better or worse, like,
01:36:08
Speaker
We're living in Vicky's world now. And I don't, maybe she is like the series five of 2025, whether I like her or not, you know, I could see her being the, uh, if you had to pick a series five to represent 2025, I could see her taking that role. Right. Yeah.
01:36:29
Speaker
I don't know if she's the, if she's the best. I don't know if I want her to have that role. Well, this best mean strongest. Yeah.
01:36:40
Speaker
No, I mean, it means so many different things at different moments. The most fun. Those are different things sure. Can throw one down to a single card? This one feels harder to narrow down than the season pass or the season pass card.
01:36:53
Speaker
Like, there were a lot of Series 5 cards. Yeah. I mean, are you opposed? to Didn't you bring Surge yourself?
01:37:03
Speaker
I did bring Surge myself, but I'm like, was that even the right pick? I don't know. I think it's kind of impressive. Search hasn't been tuned, has she? If she has his minimal, it's not like Mr. Fantastic First Steps, who have who had a similar role, but feel like she got nerfed into oblivion. I think she started as a two two. Yeah.
01:37:23
Speaker
So she she does the core thing that she meant to do. And Mr. Fantastic First Steps, I actually see him more than that. I thought I would, but it's not very much. yeah he's Yeah, he's a surprise when I see him. It's not that he's like he's never around, but I'm like, I raise an eyebrow.
01:37:41
Speaker
You're correct. She was a 2-2 at launch. And went to 2-1 just three months later. Did Mr. Fantastic start as a two or was he always a three? He started as a two and he was everywhere. He was so busted. Everyone called it, right? He was so busted. Yep, it was the most obviously overpowered.
01:38:03
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da Like, yeah, man, just neat eyes. but That goes to my point. is like Surge has a very similar design but has been able to stay at two, so like clearly a more successful design.
01:38:17
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Surge is a good one I don't know, but I love Herbie. Can it, can it just be a three-way tie? Can, can we each have our, I feel like it's a year. not These are strong two costs and like they're each, I, I feel like they're, uh, they're, you know, that the, the,
01:38:38
Speaker
I don't know. and it's interesting we off page this A deep truth of Marvel Snap and the year 2025. That's what I think. And, you know, like Herbie did call the robots means activate shot, you know, before the the rest of the robots showed up. And we do have to to hand it to that magic, the gathering as design choice. um I don't know.
01:39:01
Speaker
It's hard to pick one because we each, you know, brought different ones with and there's such a good for each. of I don't know. i if If it were up to me, I would I would make it a tie.
01:39:13
Speaker
ah It's your award show. You picked the secret homework. If it were up to me, I'd make us pick one. What do you think? Should we pick one or should it be a three way tie? Huh? um Pick one.
01:39:32
Speaker
how do we pick one how do you feel about herbie and and surge re between the two of them surge to be honest i don't see herbie i think it has to be surge ben re and i i think you brought search consensus i mean i'm saying it was victoria hand too i'm just saying like i would be also but I feel better about Surge and I do hate Victoria. Ben is the host of Thissies. You can pick Ben. I feel like it would be wrong of me to put my thumb on the scale for own nominee here. It's Surge. The sports have become known for integrity. Now over the years.
01:40:17
Speaker
I don't know. Let's... Fuck it. It's Herbie. I don't know why it's Herbie. Okay. Okay.
01:40:29
Speaker
um All right. The one we've all been waiting for. ah sorry in a series four role. I guess I have to go first because that's just how it is.
01:40:43
Speaker
I'll say it. There may be some people wondering if this is category fraud. um Is this the bear being put up as a comedy? I'm saying the best card in a series for a role.
01:40:55
Speaker
Mercury. Now i know lot people are thinking, but Ben, there's a category yet to come that is best card in a technical role. Isn't Mercury a tech card?
01:41:07
Speaker
Sure, maybe for the narrow-minded and persnickety among us. um But I don't know. Mercury is also just a general-use card, just ah just a great card, a self-moving card, a card with a very versatile effect that, you know, sure, it does hose specific archetypes,
01:41:34
Speaker
But also it's part of a very powerful, you know, freestanding two card combo, just a sweet little package with cannonball and, um,
01:41:46
Speaker
just a really it's a bit very good very good with different locations like you're you're never like oh no i teched against move with mercury and now i'm in a bad matchup where mercury is not gonna do me any good and like if mercury is not doing you any good then you've you you're you're doing something wrong that's what mercury is a series four card yep yep oh i thought she was a series five so sorry sorry mercury i considered you for the release series five footprint yeah for sure um other honorable mentions i don't know i i couldn't remember which cards were limited time game mode cards i really i really uh what's wrong with them big they they can be limited time or you mean you couldn't remember which ones were series four
01:42:35
Speaker
ah No, no. I was like, which ones are ah limited time game mode cards? Because I did make that wild game time decision that we weren't doing the limited time game modes cards as a category, which I totally should ah should should have should have made him a category. But last week I was like, no, we're not doing that category for whatever reason. I don't know why I felt so strongly about it I think both of mine are limited time game mode cards for what it's worth. Well, that's fine. Because I also want to shout out my boy, Batroc the Leaper. He's a Series 4, right?
01:43:05
Speaker
Yep. A very good to hold a card. That's hell a card. I didn't realize he came out in 2025. I'm sorry. i had like I was looking at the wrong set of cards. I don't know. Did he? He might have been a 2026 no there's he's not 2026 he was in the he's been in the set of three that came out alongside hydrostomper he's been around for forever released in April like a year ago almost I looked at all the wrong cards oh that's alright somehow you've been nominating ones from the the right category so I don't know
01:43:47
Speaker
ah So, yeah, I gave my honorable mention to apo the Leaper. And yeah. Did you bring any series for it, Rhi?
01:43:58
Speaker
Oh, for me? Okay, yes. So I am hearing, though, I do. I think I would edge. It's got to be Batroc the Leaper for fun over Mercury. But both of those are better than the one I picked because I was...
01:44:10
Speaker
Missing them in the in the category. But I picked Mero because ah like out of the list I was looking at and I will share a deck with this. This is one i told Lauren about before a podcast and I didn't feel like talking about.
01:44:29
Speaker
And it's like honestly a bit more combo-y than I usually play, but I still have it together because when it hits, it's really fun. And it's like Quiver. I want to call it Quiver of Marrows because that's such a great name. You can also call it that. But yeah, but it's got, it's like, it's so silly. It's got Moon Girl and Marrow. It's like Wild Child, Scorn, Supergiant. Because the thing is you want to play Supergiant and then Modok.
01:44:57
Speaker
And then like Moon Girl usually on the last turn. and then like your Morbius will get big because you discard a lot. And then you've got a bunch of Marrows. Destroy it. Minus seven is big, especially when you can duplicate that a bunch of times, especially if the people who are playing like Iron Man and like ah cards with text on them as opposed to power. And like um it's also got Tekken, which I love playing.
01:45:25
Speaker
Wild child, Praxima things, you know what I mean? Just like discard your hand kind of deck and blink to help you get the MODOK out. Now you can win without MODOK, but it's it's not that's not the fun of the deck. like You know what i mean? Which is where I get, I'm like, every time I don't like get to do the full combo, I'm like...
01:45:44
Speaker
Boo. So that's why it's like it feels a bit more like negative-y to me. It's a bit more like you need to – oh, i Kid Omega's in it because, you know, you you got to you got to help Wildchild out.
01:45:59
Speaker
So was going to – You know, my brain said something. OK, I really thought about Wild Child, but then I remembered that I think it was a limited time game mode card. But I almost gave this ah this ah spot on the ballot to Wild Child because I think Wild Child is a very cool and well-designed card.
01:46:17
Speaker
And it's yeah, honorable mention, right? Yeah, for sure. Okay, because, yeah, because, like, and, right, we've never gotten something that really—we've had cards that are for to destroy our discard, but they're really, like, mostly just one or the other.
01:46:33
Speaker
You know what I mean? And, like, not in combination really realistically, and Wildchild was the first thing to start changing that. So, um, and given a reason put them together. So anyway, this deck is hilarious, fun to get to Proving Grounds, get out and like, or whatever. But like, um, I'll share that. I did have one note when I was looking at these cards, which weren't all the right cards, but I wanted to call out that I know ahead of time looking at these,
01:47:00
Speaker
I thought skills, these low-cost skills that were coming out, were going to be among the mess cards, like Web Sling. Daphne Cord got nerfed. Daphne Cord would be a contender if they didn't take away the minus power with it. um Like, you know, aside from that, I was like, none of the skills are in my top contenders for best series four. And I just noticed it's like, oh, that was something i was like wrong about, you know, like before they all came out. I thought and it's not that they're never played or they're not good. You know, i do see them, but like they're they're, ah you know, they're less card ruining, i guess, than I thought or less powerful. Yeah, I'm so i'm thankful.
01:47:47
Speaker
And now let me introduce two series four cards we haven't talked about yet. Both are standalone skills. My favorite um series four of the year is Astral Projection. i totally understand why it wouldn't win this, but I've had so much fun with this card. I love it. um Am I going to still play it after Strife comes out?
01:48:08
Speaker
I don't know. Maybe not. um But it is cheaper, so so maybe. um And for best of the year, i think the single best designed skill in the game, Fastball Special, is thematic. It is actually a skill. It is an interesting. It's the most deserving skill in the game. Has a good animation. and it's a fun card. It's a good card.
01:48:33
Speaker
Targeted Destroy for two, i think, is a really cool card. um I looked over all the Series 4, and yeah, I could have something like Batroc, which is very fun, but also I think maybe too strong. Maybe it is the best one drop.
01:48:49
Speaker
It's a crazy card. um a Fastball lets you do all sorts of things. You know, it's mostly like Nimrod destroy things, but you can do other cool stuff with it, especially with its buddy Adam and Team Infusion, which maybe I'm not the biggest fan of that combo. ah But...
01:49:06
Speaker
Anyway, those are my those are my pitches and I throw those in. oh and don't expect any of them to win while Ben is here. I mean, fastball special.
01:49:20
Speaker
I mean, it as I said, it is the most deserving skill card. you know, to have a spot as its own thing. mean, I guess astral projection is sort of similar in that, you know, that's a thing that some characters do. It is actually a skeleton. Yeah.
01:49:39
Speaker
like Even though none of us... Yeah, he might be a little too strong, but he's so much fun and he's so cool. And, like, he and Hydrastomper are keeping our girl Silk in the mix. And, you know, that's that's been that's been a cause of our podcast a long time. Silk to 2-6 when?
01:49:58
Speaker
um Yesterday, if if you ask me. But, um yeah, yeah. i I feel like the consensus for Batroc the Leaper is...
01:50:10
Speaker
i I mean, we just love him so much, right? i i could give a him right i could give it to Batroc, but only because of his contributions to Sanctum Showdown.
01:50:21
Speaker
Oh my God, what a rock star he is there. ah You know? All right. and Anybody have any last shout-outs for Series 4 cards that they love? Or are we ready to move on to our final category?
Praise for Cosmic Ghost Rider and Stardust
01:50:37
Speaker
Best card in a technical role. So there was one card that I just, I have to, I have to give my full nomination to, but I would like to give a little shout out to a runner up, uh, an exciting tech card that I think we needed in this game. Yeah. I don't, I don't know if I thought it that way before it came to, to join us, but cosmic ghost rider, what a cool card.
01:51:08
Speaker
ah caring about the front row, as we as we mentioned earlier. And, you know, I think i think before the card came out, it was like, what, we we really needed a double red guardian, a a big, clunky, super red guardian?
01:51:23
Speaker
And the answer is yes. Yes, we did. What a cool card. It works different from Red Guardian and it's cooler than Definite Cord. And ah it's just a big, fun five cost card. You know how hard it is to make a cool five cost card? Pretty hard.
01:51:39
Speaker
But, you know, we play this one and it wins games and ah it's neato. I like Cosmic Ghost Rider. But y'all know it had to be Stardust, right? It has to be Stardust. Now that that's that's breaking new ground for Marvel Snap. I mean, is it a stolen magic? The Gathering design? Sure. All the best ones are. But um yeah, I do.
01:52:03
Speaker
Do you remember when she was four seven? Oh, the times we had. Oh, the dreams we crushed. What a hell of a card. Oh, and nobody believed. Oh, Nobody believed, but but the stats were there on my Snap.fan. I was just like looking at him like, this card's fucking nuts. You play this card, you get two cubes a game. That's just the truth.
01:52:23
Speaker
And ah yeah, when it hits the board, it just wins. and Sometimes you don't even know what you're stardusting against yet, but like, oh, it's usually right to play her. God damn it if she doesn't rain on parades.
01:52:35
Speaker
And very often my own parades. As I mentioned, I just love Maverick getting out a huge brood, but you know, you're getting one body if Stardust is around.
01:52:46
Speaker
And, oh, you know, now that Sammy's in on reveal, Stardust can rain on his parade too, and that's exciting. Sometimes I try to play him in the same deck.
01:52:57
Speaker
Sometimes it's a mistake. Sometimes I can't be bothered to remember which cards are already on the board. Sometimes I'll play a Sam Wilson who goes unfulfilled. No shield to pick up. No one. Yeah, I mean...
01:53:09
Speaker
but what good's the mantle if you don't have that damn shield um it's fine if you've got a roar there yeah yeah man stardust hell of a card any anybody have a card they're as excited about as i am about stardust no but what cards do i'm not that excited Anybody that fired up about Cosmic Ghost Rider? Rhi, who are you fired up about? So, I mean, i did the same. I put honorable mentions pre-Nerf Deafening, quote which we already discussed. 410. Then I was also today looking between Cosmic Ghost Rider and Stardust because Cosmic Ghost Rider Red Guardian, when I'm looking for my one all-round tech, I hate to not put any tech you know in a deck if I can just like find one slot for it. And when I can only fit in one it's usually going to be Red Guardian or Ghost Rider depending, Cosmic Ghost or depending on what deck. Because they're kind of can be universally used if applied right at the right time. And um but then I also went with Stardust pretty much for the same reason, because it was a new Cosmic Ghost Rider does. I mean, not exactly the same, but the same thing Red Guardian does. Right. Like and Stardust was a new form of tech we never had before. And, you know, I was with you, Ben. I also thought Stardust was um very powerful. So, I mean, I i really just kind of went the same the same route you did. in My thinking.
01:54:42
Speaker
la in Lauren? I am somebody who gets teched against, not somebody who techs very often. In spirit, for sure, yeah. But certainly when I play other people's decks.
01:54:55
Speaker
ah You know, I had a ton of fun with a Doom 2099 deck this year that ran both Cosmic Ghost Rider and Sandman and had a blast with that. So it's not like I'm...
01:55:06
Speaker
100% anti-tech. It's really hard for me to feel good about Cosmic Ghostwriter when he ruins so much of my joy, but sometimes he's fun.
01:55:17
Speaker
um I gave the best to to Mercury. I know we had the conversation about how maybe she's more than just a tech card, but... ah Her thing with cannonball is certainly more than a tech card, but her ability to move and all that, but that's Nocturne, right? Like the reason we're playing Mercury is is her tech. And that was really important earlier and earlier when, ah you know, Torch was, Human Torch was everywhere because he was so good. Yeah.
01:55:47
Speaker
yeah In my bracket, I don't see a lot of move. Some Mercury is not super important to me. And maybe the only reason I'm putting her here is because I like her for non-tech reasons. and I also added Stardust. Stardust is just... ah It's good, right? like If we have to have cards that are...
01:56:07
Speaker
oh what do they call them, release valves? If we have to have those, she's such a good one. She's so versatile. shes She ah to a attacks a bunch of different strategies, right? Like, you need a way to stop Hela, sure.
01:56:21
Speaker
Like, you could you you could use Cosmo, and that'll take care of a lot of the things, but not all of the same things. Not globally. You don't have to guess which lane if you're playing Stardust. Destroy just has to go home.
01:56:36
Speaker
Yeah, Nimrod is toast. i Yeah, there's ah Doom 2099's in trouble. There's so many things that Stardust handles. And I think I ended up ultimately giving her the nod because it's an elegant design.
01:56:53
Speaker
Whereas some of the other tech, I feel like, is either just copying something we've already seen, like Super Adaptoid, or it's just... forgot about super adaptoid or it's just not very interesting I don't know like like google Gorgon is there but like mostly i think Mobius is just the better energy tech yeah Gorgon right like Gorgon I got goodwill for Gorgon ah so I think sometimes I think sometimes it's right for a for the sake of the original good egg wombat combat I thought about putting Cobra in my rocks rock deck today
01:57:32
Speaker
But he didn't cost one. And that was the problem. I needed that one plus so the prowler wouldn't fill up my hand all the goddamn time like he does. Wombat needs to plug his ears. As I say, I did not even put Cobra on the tech list that I sent out to Ben and Ray. But you're right. Cobra's totally tech.
01:57:51
Speaker
I played them in the high voltage. It's fun. Yeah. okay There are real places. course ofumment right yeah Cobra is super duper fun when Monster Island is hot. I'll tell you that much.
01:58:02
Speaker
I do want to say about Mercury, your choice. So Stardust is like just only tech. You are only playing Stardust to tech against things. You're not even really using Stardust usually in a pro. You what I mean? Like you have card she's going work with in your end. Sometimes you get extra clones and you shut it down before your opponent can get extra clones. And that's about like the only proactive thing to do, like location stuff.
01:58:29
Speaker
Right, yeah, so just like board-dependent stuff, not like a card in your deck. I mean, and it can single-handedly, like Mobius can, you know, take down some decks. But the beauty of Mercury is like is not just like taking down a move deck or a couple other decks or like the synergy with Cannonball. She adds the reach to your deck, which I'm like always... It's one of things when I'm building a deck, I always want a card that reaches.
01:58:57
Speaker
You know, by moving or like a Mr. Fantastic, something that lets me get into a ah you know ah a location I can't play into. And ah like, ah yeah I love Mercury for that, you know, like, so Mercury is, you know, this is also worthy. But like, yeah.
01:59:20
Speaker
you know, yeah. I'm a pretty big Mercury fan and I, you know, maybe I was doing category fraud, nominating her in best series four, cause you know, she does a big part of her identity is in fact, anti-move tech.
01:59:38
Speaker
Can we give it to Mercury? Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's do it. I love you. Stardust. If you're listening, if you're out there, i know Stardust listens to snap on this. She must, she must. Um,
01:59:51
Speaker
But yeah, I think the for 2025 tech card, best tech best card in a technical role, let's be proper, it goes to Mercury.
Award Show Conclusion and Final Thoughts on Marvel Snap
02:00:03
Speaker
And with that, it's time to let all those stars go back up into the night sky. We no longer need them here ah in the the snap on this theater and, of course, the red carpet outside. um It's been a joy to celebrate everything that's good about cards and Marvel snap and seasons.
02:00:26
Speaker
Oh, the memories we all had in 2025. it's been delightful to revisit them with my wonderful co-hosts, the Academy of, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, anywho, it was, it was fun, but now it's time to find out what next week's secret homework is. Catch y'all next year with more. Bye.
02:00:50
Speaker
All right. Have either of you heard of Infinity Spin? That sounds familiar. Okay. This is the secret homework this week. I have not tried it yet, but I've checked it out.
02:01:02
Speaker
um When I first heard about it, I checked it out. My secret homework is for you to play Infinity Spin at the normal difficulty. you could You could play more if you want to, but that's that's that's the assignment.
02:01:14
Speaker
um I'll send you the link. I'll put it in the show notes and video description. won't get too deep into it because that's the whole point of next week's homework. Is it a browser game? It is a fan-made, roguelike deck-building game for Marvel Snap.
02:01:31
Speaker
Oh, wow. Okay. it sign It randomly gives you a deck full of cards costing one through three. and then you start improving grounds and you do challenges and roll new cards, upgrade your deck as you win and complete extra challenges. You get extra rewards. It's pretty cute and clever.
02:01:50
Speaker
um So, yeah, it's in the browser, but it's something that you use to. it's like It's like a framework around Conquest mode to turn Conquest into a roguelike.
02:02:02
Speaker
So as far as I could tell, there wasn't an option for like making sure you get the same seeds that all three of us could play the same one and and compete. But... but
02:02:14
Speaker
We could ah still I wanted us all to try it. I've been looking forward to trying it myself and just haven't gotten to a around to it. And then we can talk about it. I would also love to hear listeners your experience if you have played or end up playing Infinity Spin.
02:02:30
Speaker
I might stream I don't know. like zoom Could be cool. Maybe we should all stream it. That could be fun. Someday maybe I'll be a streamer. Okay.
02:02:42
Speaker
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02:03:08
Speaker
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Encouragement to Explore More Marvel Snap Content
02:03:49
Speaker
He's a casual player with lots of comics and MCU knowledge and brings an interesting angle to the game.
02:04:02
Speaker
ah went of Went a long time without hitting infinite and it was a massive achievement for everybody in the community the first time he hit infinite. And now as far as I know, he he's done it multiple times. But it was ah that was a fun journey to follow. to my knowledge.
02:04:20
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Yeah. All right. listeners tune in next week see what we think about infinity spin and i think i think we're rating the april cards next think we are too i was afraid we were this week no that's that's a next week thing we're gonna rank the april cards find out how much more excited i am about april than march's cards uh tune in next week same snap time same snap channel
02:04:53
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What's left on the roulette?
02:04:57
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Okay. We'll do the short one.
Discovery of Changes in Whale Songs
02:05:01
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and there real Which is, um did you know that whales sing lower they used to?
02:05:12
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No. or no. Sorry. Whales used to sing lower. That's my note. I wanted to say German and then I got it wrong. Like over what time period? Okay, so I was listening ah to the news, um as I was telling you earlier, and you spent too much time being depressed. And like it actually rolled over into something I probably wouldn't have clicked to, but like they found this recording that was just labeled like fish noises. And someone pulled out, and like well, you know, it's probably not fish. It's probably whales, right? And it's maybe, I can't remember if it's the earliest, but it's at least one of the earliest recordings now that they've ever found of whales.
02:05:51
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ah singing and it's they're like oh it's amazing to get that and also like the ocean the sound of the ocean scape um like at at that time it was so different, right? And there's like only so many recordings. But apparently because now we have all these big ships going around, it's changed the sound in the ocean and the the low tone that whales used to sing at gets overwritten. So they like octaved over time they octaved up their pitch to be heard over all all the like the noise we as humans have put into the ocean.
02:06:33
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so like ah whales used to sing lower. Yeah. That's both very sad and very fascinating. Yeah. yeah Oh, and it ties in. I mean, now I feel like I should like self promo because like I just put sound in my ocean game. That's, you know, we'll come out as soon as I finished going through all the steps you have to go.
02:06:53
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Yeah. It's the first one. So yeah. Right. The second one's going to go way smoother when you get to all the, ah I don't know, all the, whatever you have to do, all the processes and all the boxes you have to check.
02:07:08
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So much of a success in creative things or even just like internal success for yourself is just like about doing the damn thing and then maybe doing it again, but at least doing it once. Come on.
02:07:21
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So let that an interesting one. If you're doing, if you want to do something, like I said, like, you know, if it's like write a novel or like make and put out a game, I am glad I am not learning all this stuff on like, you know, my bigger mobile game that I've been working on for a long time. I'm glad I'm learning on this.
02:07:42
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And, ah you know, and my lesson about gaming has always been for me that it's like, I need The reason I was researching this next project is my next project I was really excited about, but as started working on it, I realized it was in the jam game.
02:07:58
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I'm calling them jam games. It's a game. Thanks. small games for re small pre-speal yeah you know for me and um and this one i realized it was like oh this is gonna end up taking much more and if i'm you know i'm putting that work i'm also trying to learn how to work multiple times better but like um
02:08:22
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But then I should just be working on my big one. So we're keeping it small. And it's like when you start, you just do stuff and put it out. If you want make YouTube videos, whatever you want to you just, it's you thinking about it and planning for it and prepping for it is like just never going to.
02:08:38
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You just need to start doing it and doing it small and doing it little. And, um, and go out from there, you know? Just do it. Just do it.
02:08:48
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But don't, but don't, like, hit you late to, like, 100%. Nike shouldn't be allowed to have a fucking goddess's name. Okay, anyway.