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Ep 79: Meet Gus with Steve Gouveia
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The master of mod artistry Steve Gouveia joins us to talk about his latest creation, Gus.
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Introduction and Sponsorship
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Thanks for tuning in to Loser Kid Pinball Podcast.
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This is episode 79.
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I'm Josh Roop with me.
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My co-captain is always Scott Larson.
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And Scott, let's talk about that wonderful sponsor that takes care of us so well.
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All right.
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We got flipping out pinball.
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I actually just received my Deadpool topper.
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I received my Deadpool art blades.
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I received the side art, and I also received a shaker motor and the pop cap ninja stars.
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So I may have gone all in on Deadpool.
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So I have a feeling that I'm not selling that game anytime soon, even though there are some crazy people trying to sell their premiums for a premium.
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So anyway, don't stink, right?
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Exactly.
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Apparently you can sell crappy.
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You can, you can sell pin bots.
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I mean, really stranger things, premium, whatever.
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But if you want to get that machine that you're looking for contact Zach and Nicole at flipping out pinball.
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And they will be able to either help you find one or at least put you on the list because they know when things are going to be manufactured.
Guest Introduction and Iron Maiden Mods
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So they've always been good to work with.
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And I just placed an order for my iron maiden art blades.
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Dang.
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So that may be, uh, that may be contingent on the theme for today.
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Yeah.
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Well, I know that you were sitting there and you're like, I've blinged out my Deadpool.
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What can I start on next?
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And, uh,
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I know how much you love your Iron Maiden already.
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And you found out that our good friend Steve Govea was making a new mod for Iron Maiden.
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So you've been chit-chatting with him.
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We're like, you know what?
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Let's bring him on.
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Let's talk about this beautiful little thing, which has been described as creepy by some.
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But the man himself is with us, Steve.
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Welcome to the show.
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Thanks, man.
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It's creepy.
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That's great.
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I did my job.
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Okay.
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So the, the.
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Everyone said it's really cool, but it's funny because Scott's sending this to everyone.
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He's like.
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I sent it to everyone and I may have sent it to Keith Elwin and Keith Elwin sent back, damn, that's creepy.
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Oh, great.
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So I sent back, well, at least it's theme specific.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Which is why we know that Keith, obviously Iron Maiden is an awesome game, but you know that Keith's original theme was Archer.
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And so he figured out a way of making it Iron Maiden, but he's admitted he's not a huge Iron Maiden person.
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So it was just kind of funny.
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You know what's funny, Scott, is I wasn't an Iron Maiden person either for a long time until I got this game, actually.
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I remember when I was in high school because I was – obviously, I'm a big Rush fan.
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You already knew that.
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But I remember having the friend who was like so into Iron Maiden.
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So, you know, 13-year-old me is going, Rush rules, Rush rules.
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He's all, no, Iron Maiden rules.
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And I'm like, oh, you know.
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Um, but once I got the game and started listening to it again, I love them.
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I think they're great.
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I told you I'm going to see him in, uh, in September.
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If they're coming, they're coming, they're going to you after they come here.
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Yeah.
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I can't wait.
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Cause I mean, the more you listen to it and I play guitar, I don't play it like those guys.
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And there's just, it's so good.
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And the aspect of it that I really liked is it's very theatrical.
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Yes.
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Which kind of goes right up my alley of being in theater and all
Steve Govea's Modding Journey
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that.
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So I thought it was a perfect game to mod because I think it needed some more, you know, like whatever the world under glass, whatever you want to call it.
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I think it needed a little more Iron Maiden.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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It needed five inches of five.
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Well, just just barely, though, when I posted.
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So just in case you are wondering, Steve does have a thread on Pinside and it says new Iron Maiden sarcophagus mod.
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So by Govea.
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So anyway, just look at that and actually has a beautiful picture.
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I wouldn't be surprised if that is the picture that you are looking at, looking at the episode.
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But yes, I actually, when I posted it, I received more than one person said, does that fit?
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Because it is standing straight erect on that play field.
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I'm sure that it doesn't have much clearance.
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But you know what?
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It's smaller than you think.
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And that was the biggest problem that I had with making the thing is fitting it.
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I knew I wanted to make it.
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I knew I wanted to try.
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But whether I wound up with a cool little sculpture for myself or something that could fit in the game, I honestly didn't know.
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So I just kind of went for it.
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Well, this is your first time kind of stepping away from you.
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You've done mostly Wizard of Oz.
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What made you decide to go with Iron Maiden?
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You know what?
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Because the glass to my Wizard of Oz was off so much that I had to play something and Iron Maiden was right next to it.
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And I loved it.
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I just started playing Iron Maiden more and more because I'm constantly in the wads, or I was, fitting the mods that I was making.
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And and I really got a chance to put the glass back on it.
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And I would I put it on for like one night and I'd slide it off again because I knew the next day I'd be in there doing something.
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So, yeah, I just started playing Iron Maiden more and more.
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And and I fell in love with it.
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It took a while.
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The first time I saw it and I played it.
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I got it.
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I got the layout.
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I played it at a local brew pub here in San Diego.
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I really enjoyed it, but once I really started getting good at it, then I understood why people like it so much.
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It's really fun.
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The rulers are very clever in terms of trying to hit the shots in sequence and all that.
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I think it's a great game.
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It's funny because I saw this mod and I was like, Scott's showing this to me and I'm like,
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well, isn't there something like this already on the game?
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And I had to go back through pictures and I realized this, this mod's so good.
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It feels like it should already be a part of the game.
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Like, I don't know why this isn't
Modding Techniques and Challenges
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already in there.
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Cause it's just, it's, it feels, yeah, it feels like it's professionally.
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Well, it is professionally.
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You know what?
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That is, that is the nicest thing that anyone could say about it.
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Cause that to me is like rule number one.
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It has to look like it's,
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like it's in the game like it came with the game and if it doesn't then it's you know it's just crappy um so i really made an effort to do that um uh and and i this is the other thing too this is my first time making something with stern so i had to choose a model and i choose i chose the one that i have which is the premium um and so the premium and le i know it'll work in
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Um, people are asking me about the pro.
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I don't have a pro.
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I've seen a pro.
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I know the layout up there is different.
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It won't work the same, but I could possibly remake it somehow.
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Um, but I'm not thinking about that yet.
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I'm, I'm, I'm pretty much making it for myself and then whoever has the same game that I have.
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Um, but yeah.
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it's crazy how it moves and stuff too.
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Scott sent me a video after he installed it.
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And man, this thing is so cool.
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Does it going up and down?
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Oh, it does more than that.
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I, you know, I'm actually glad that you, uh, you, I saw your video of it just sliding back and forth.
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Cause someone said, you know, does it just light up?
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Um, well that was when I finished actually sculpting it, which honestly took most of the summer.
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I, cause I, once I, once I decided I was going to do it,
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I just kind of did little bits and pieces, you know, maybe at night I work on the eyes and the next day I'd work on the mouth or something like that.
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But when I finished it, I thought, well, this is a really cool little looking toy, but how is it going to work in the game?
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And then we come up to the question of me trying to fit it.
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And then I thought, well, what if you could actually make it even more fun and turn it kind of into a bash toy?
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So it's a bash toy.
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It actually comes up onto the game and sits on top of the captive ball when it's facing forward.
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And that's the only position that it does that.
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And once it's facing the captive, once it's sitting on top of the captive ball,
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You have this right here.
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And every time the ball is hit, this knocks him.
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It jumps up.
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So you can actually, yeah, you can whack him, which is really fun because it's just really fun to hit a physical object there that is just asking to be hit.
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They're just kind of hovering over the top.
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So I was happy when I figured that, but that took a long time to figure out because I'm not an engineer.
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So those that are listening, if you look at, we'll have this as the picture of the episode, but at the very bottom in the back under the feet, there's a little switch.
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So every time it rests on top of the captive ball.
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So when you hit that captive ball, it will actually activate Eddie or the sarcophagus and make him jump.
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Gus.
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Gus.
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Oh, okay.
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Sarcophagus.
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Sarcophagus.
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Oh, okay.
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I had to stick with the name.
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It can't be the E. It can't be the E. Well, it's the mummy shot, right?
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Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Exactly.
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But yeah, that's what makes it unique to that mechanism.
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So when people are asking if it fits in the pro, it will fit, but I would either just do the front of it
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I don't know how I would make it configured as a sort of bash toy.
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But we'll see.
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Yeah.
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Now, it's... Okay, this is your fifth mod.
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From my counting.
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So you have the Witch.
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Yeah.
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Witch 1.0.
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Yeah.
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You have Flying Monkey.
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Yeah.
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And then I made the Witch again.
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Yeah.
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And then that was the 2.0.
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Yeah.
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Then you have the Crystal Ball.
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Yes.
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Which was, which was really just supposed to be a little side project because programming the second, which was taking so long and that was out of my hands.
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I had a friend who's here in town.
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My friend Manny is a computer guy.
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So an electronics guy.
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So he designed the chip for it.
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He was doing all the programming.
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I really couldn't do anything at that point except tell him what I wanted.
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Um, so yeah, the crystal ball became, it was just like a side project.
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Yeah.
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Um,
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Yeah.
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And so this is the fifth one.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Now this is the challenge though.
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A lot of times the, it,
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The mod community in pinball is very specific and you kind of in which people realize it is a true limited edition because there are people who are still looking for the flying monkey mod.
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They're still looking for a witch, available witch.
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They're still looking for all these things.
Creative Process and Satisfaction in Modding
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So this is by definition a labor of love.
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Oh, with the wrong question.
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Yeah, definitely.
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So what is it that, that I, this obviously takes hours and hours and hours upon your time.
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So what is it that drives someone to do a mod like that?
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I mean, these are not, there's a lot of mods that I would say are lazy mods.
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When they go, they buy a Hot Wheels car, they tape some LED lights on them and then try to sell them for $80 with a post.
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Yeah.
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OK.
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And that's not this.
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I mean, this is this is truly a work of art.
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And so what what drives you to put this much passion into it?
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I love it.
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I love creating something new and I love having I love having the limitations of of writing.
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what I'm given.
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You know, it's like, I'm not in the room at Stern or at Jersey Jack or wherever saying, yeah, I need, I need another inch there to fit what I want to put in.
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It's, it's truly, you're limited.
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So it's almost, you have a limited palette of what to use.
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And to me, that's a real challenge.
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Um, and then I, I realized I like working with clay.
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I really think it's fun.
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And the better that I got at it, uh, the more I enjoy, enjoy just sculpting things.
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Um,
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And, and I've gotten to where I do something like this.
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This to me is the hardest thing I've ever done.
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Uh, but I love the way it turned out, but it's a challenge.
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You know, it's like finishing a puzzle or something.
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And then how do you get it to fit?
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And then can you make it do something that's unique and interesting as opposed to just like you said, you know, gluing a hot wheel onto a game.
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Um, so yeah, it's a lot of fun.
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It was just, it was just something I did for myself at first.
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And then, uh,
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Uh, once, once the pandemic happened, cause I'm primarily an actor or musician or singer, um, with, with theater.
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And when I came back here to San Diego, which is where I'm from, I was working here for a while and doing okay.
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But obviously that, that industry took a big hit.
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Um,
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So sitting at home and finding a way to be creative and have some sort of creative outlet, this has been great because I do feel very creative.
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I feel completely in control of what I'm doing.
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And it's rewarding.
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You know, it's hard.
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It's really, really hard.
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It took me hours.
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And I could do something with a 3D printer like a lot of people do, which is fine.
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I just, number one, I don't know how to run a 3D printer.
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And I don't know how to design in CAD.
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I've got some friends who help me when I need something specific.
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Like this, for example, the base on this mod fits very specifically onto the mechanism.
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So I did, once I figured this out, let me show you this.
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This is the piece, and this is balsa wood and clay of the base.
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And so I needed to get an exact version of this.
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And so I went off to the mod couple, my friend Dave, and I said, can you make something with your 3D printer just so I can have all the holes lined up?
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Because I knew that part of the game was not going to change.
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And then the sculpture and everything is, you know, I can do on my own.
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And those tolerances can change a little bit.
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But actually sitting on that mechanism had to be really specific.
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But yeah, it takes a long time to figure that out.
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Then once I do want to replicate it, it's about making a silicone mold, casting the resin.
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You've got to sit around.
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You've got to pour the resin.
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You've got to pull it out.
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You've got to sand all those pieces, then paint it.
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And you do this one at a time?
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You cast it, or do you have multiple?
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No, I cast it one at a time.
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I have two pieces right now I put on my thread, two boxes of silicone.
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that look like this.
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Um, and this is the base and then the, uh, sarcophagus is in the back, but yeah, there's, there's no shortcut for that.
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You got to stick around and, uh, and wait for them or, or try to do something else in the meantime.
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And, you know, 20 minutes go in the garage and pop it out and pour another one and go back to doing something else.
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So, um, yeah,
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It's that part is monotonous, but it's fun.
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I think initially when I made the first witch, I thought it would just be fun to put a toy in a pinball machine.
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I thought that would be just a fun little chapter in my life.
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You know, wow, there's a toy that's all over the world in a pinball machine.
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And I was going to make as many as I could.
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And then once I really started getting tired of it, I was like, okay, 200 something is enough for now.
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So yeah.
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But yeah, I think to answer your question, I just think it's very rewarding creatively.
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And I think that I, let's see, when did I message you and beg you to build something?
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Was that the flying monkey or was that the first witch mod?
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Oh my gosh.
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I don't remember.
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It was a long time ago.
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That was a long time ago because, and you, and ironically, you randomly asked a question about rush and I responded with a, probably way more intense of a response about rush history.
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Yeah.
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Right now, Josh is like, oh my God, more Rush time.
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More Rush.
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I thought we were taking a break from Rush.
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Well, our friend Jeff Rivera that runs the Pinball Podcast, he says that Iron Maiden is just like if Rush got drunk and decided to do metal.
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Yeah.
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Which is kind of true.
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They actually are both excellent bands and they have interesting lyrics.
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So kudos, Jeff.
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There's three guys in one band.
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There's six guys in another.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, they both sound loud.
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Okay, so I find that interesting that you, this is basically how many you're making.
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So when you actually go to market this, you obviously have to set something for yourself.
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This probably takes a couple hours per piece for you to build.
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Oh, no question.
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Yeah, because you have to build it.
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You're painting it.
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You're sanding it.
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You're assembling it.
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You're wiring it.
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Yes.
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I'm wiring it.
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And then I obsess over the colors, the paint that I'm going to be using.
00:18:05
Speaker
which, you know, will it match the game?
00:18:08
Speaker
Will it match the other pieces?
00:18:09
Speaker
Is it true to the original piece?
00:18:13
Speaker
So I just, I get so detailed.
00:18:15
Speaker
I drive my wife, Trisha, crazy.
00:18:18
Speaker
Absolutely nuts.
00:18:19
Speaker
When I worked on The Wizard of Oz, I was in a different house.
00:18:24
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I had it right next to me in the garage.
00:18:27
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And in this new house they were living in, I've got a game room, but it's across the living room inside the house.
00:18:33
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So Tricia jokes that I've blazed a trail or burned a trail between the game room and the garage because I've gone back and forth so many times just to see if something works or fits or whatever.
00:18:44
Speaker
Yeah.
00:18:45
Speaker
But yeah, I just, you know, I love it, but it takes a long time, but it's rewarding.
00:18:52
Speaker
I do have one analysis, though.
00:18:55
Speaker
There is one problem with your sarcophagus.
00:18:59
Speaker
I'm ready for it.
00:19:00
Speaker
Okay.
00:19:02
Speaker
It's too good compared to what Stern put in the game.
00:19:07
Speaker
I know.
00:19:07
Speaker
Well, you know what?
00:19:08
Speaker
I only know that because that's what you said, which is so nice.
00:19:10
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Because if you look at if you look at I know if you look at his sarcophagus, that is definitely it feels like Derek Riggs, who's the original artist for Iron Maiden.
00:19:22
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It feels like he designed it.
00:19:24
Speaker
If you look at the two sculpts that they put in there, I don't know who designed them, but they are certainly not stylistically consistent with the band.
00:19:35
Speaker
And so that's the crazy thing is when you look at what, uh,
00:19:39
Speaker
what Gus is compared to the other ones.
00:19:43
Speaker
You think that, Hey, you think, you think that should be a OEM in the machine as opposed to the other two things.
Innovation and Techniques in Mod Creation
00:19:49
Speaker
I've done my job then.
00:19:50
Speaker
Trust me.
00:19:51
Speaker
I went above and beyond because I had no idea how I was going to do this by hand, like zero idea.
00:19:57
Speaker
I knew that I wanted to do it.
00:20:00
Speaker
Um, uh, but I didn't, I didn't,
00:20:05
Speaker
I knew it would be really, really hard.
00:20:07
Speaker
And one of the coolest new things, because every time I make something new, I try to discover some new aspect of what I'm doing.
00:20:16
Speaker
And for this particular mod, I went online and I saw that you can physically shrink silicone.
00:20:24
Speaker
If you mix silicone with mineral spirits, if you cut them like one part to one part,
00:20:31
Speaker
Once it hardens, it will gas out and the whole thing will keep its shape and it will shrink.
00:20:37
Speaker
And it doesn't shrink a lot.
00:20:38
Speaker
It shrinks like 20 percent, but it actually will shrink.
00:20:43
Speaker
And so I thought, OK, well, I want a ton of detail in this thing.
00:20:47
Speaker
So what if I do it a little bit bigger?
00:20:51
Speaker
And that way I can get a ton of detail into it.
00:20:54
Speaker
And then let's see if I can shrink it down.
00:20:56
Speaker
Let's see if this whole thing works.
00:20:58
Speaker
And if it doesn't work, then I've got, you know, this cool little topper thing or whatever it's going to be.
00:21:04
Speaker
But I'd love to see it work.
00:21:05
Speaker
And I saw people doing it online and it was working.
00:21:09
Speaker
The problem is it takes a really long time for it to actually gas out.
00:21:14
Speaker
But it does shrink.
00:21:16
Speaker
So I know the podcast isn't going to be able to see those people, but this, this is the, Oh, wow.
00:21:24
Speaker
And this is like seven inches big, but I got all the detail in this way.
00:21:31
Speaker
This is all, these are bamboo skewers.
00:21:34
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These are nails that I just, I put in his helmet and you know, it's, he's actually a very sharp little sculpture.
00:21:44
Speaker
And this is what I cast with this whole idea of shrinking it down.
00:21:48
Speaker
And it worked.
00:21:48
Speaker
And I got it to like half the size I needed it to go.
00:21:52
Speaker
And then I had to shrink it one more time.
00:21:54
Speaker
And I finally got it roughly to where you can see.
00:21:58
Speaker
That's like...
00:22:00
Speaker
30.
00:22:01
Speaker
That's pretty amazing.
00:22:02
Speaker
I didn't realize you had to... That's how they do coins.
00:22:06
Speaker
Did you know that?
00:22:07
Speaker
No.
00:22:08
Speaker
Yeah, that's great.
00:22:09
Speaker
So if you look like they actually have a machine that they... Now, I don't know if they do it now, but it used to be massive.
00:22:17
Speaker
I mean, the coins would be this big and they would trace them and it would scale it
00:22:24
Speaker
It would move a different arm in a small way and make the actual size.
00:22:30
Speaker
And so that's how they had so much detail in coins.
00:22:33
Speaker
Yeah.
00:22:34
Speaker
I mean, to me, all that stuff is just a huge mystery.
00:22:38
Speaker
And because everything I'm doing is working with my hands and clay and all this, I'm like, I think this will work.
00:22:45
Speaker
I think this might work.
00:22:46
Speaker
I actually shrunk it too far.
00:22:49
Speaker
In my last shrink and it went like too small and I was like, well, it fits, but it's kind of like, you know, all this work and the things just a little too small.
00:22:58
Speaker
So I you can you can put it back in mineral spirits and kind of make it grow up a bit a bit.
00:23:03
Speaker
And I got it to just where it's it's as much sarcophagus as I can fit onto that mech.
00:23:11
Speaker
to show the detail and fit in with the rest of the game.
00:23:14
Speaker
But that was my big challenge was shrinking something down and it worked.
00:23:18
Speaker
It just takes forever.
00:23:21
Speaker
I mean, it takes weeks and weeks and weeks and I put it in a dehydrator and it,
00:23:26
Speaker
And it's twisting and it's shrinking, but parts of it are shrinking.
00:23:29
Speaker
And I'm like, this is never going to work.
00:23:31
Speaker
But it was the summer and I had other things to do.
00:23:33
Speaker
And I'd keep checking on it.
00:23:35
Speaker
And sure enough, the first one I shrunk, I'm like, this works.
00:23:38
Speaker
It's not small enough yet, but it really works.
00:23:41
Speaker
And it keeps all the detail.
00:23:42
Speaker
And I was thrilled.
00:23:44
Speaker
I think the next thing I'm going to make, I'll shrink it too.
00:23:49
Speaker
I'm just going to shrink everything now.
00:23:52
Speaker
That's impressive it keeps the detail, though, because I would be nervous to put all this detail in and it shrinks and it loses some of it, you know?
00:23:59
Speaker
No, it's fascinating.
00:24:01
Speaker
I was just watching it happen going, it really does work.
00:24:06
Speaker
But when you see the mod up close, all the nails stood out, the pointy ends.
00:24:12
Speaker
Some of it I had to physically put on.
00:24:14
Speaker
Like I wasn't going to cast a chain.
00:24:16
Speaker
So the chain is actually...
00:24:20
Speaker
It's a piece of chain that I stick in there.
00:24:23
Speaker
And then the whips are actually wire.
00:24:27
Speaker
It's kind of a thicker gauge of wire.
00:24:29
Speaker
But the more I played the game, the more you see the ball flying around.
00:24:35
Speaker
There's air balls in Iron Maiden.
00:24:37
Speaker
It can get pretty brutal.
00:24:38
Speaker
And I didn't want something in there that was cheap.
00:24:41
Speaker
And so even the resin that I'm using is heavier than the other resin that I've used.
00:24:47
Speaker
It's like jet black resin.
00:24:50
Speaker
I don't know how to measure the hardness scale, but if the witch was like 65-whatever hard, this is like 78 hard.
00:24:57
Speaker
I don't know what that means, but it's a solid piece of plastic.
Testing and Community Feedback
00:25:02
Speaker
So if the ball does hit it, nothing's going to happen.
00:25:06
Speaker
I hope nothing's going to happen.
00:25:07
Speaker
It actually might look cooler if it dings it up a little more of it.
00:25:12
Speaker
Well, actually, so ironically, that's, I didn't realize.
00:25:16
Speaker
So when you look at it, it's the sarcophagus is on a slider.
00:25:22
Speaker
So just in case, I am sure Steve will post a lot more on his, on his pin side post, but from a, so I'm a mechanical engineer and that's really, that was my major in school.
00:25:35
Speaker
Yeah.
00:25:35
Speaker
So I was a mechanical engineer before I went to med school.
00:25:40
Speaker
And I thought from an engineering standpoint that you built the sliding part as like an energy dampener.
00:25:52
Speaker
Oh, that's interesting.
00:25:53
Speaker
Because if it's up and you're smashing it, then eventually you will probably have a fatigue and a wear spot that will fracture.
00:26:03
Speaker
Well, that's a great point.
00:26:05
Speaker
And that's the other reason I use the harder plastic is because it is, it is, it doesn't bounce very high.
00:26:11
Speaker
Trust me.
00:26:12
Speaker
And I don't want it to bounce high because it's a sarcophagus.
00:26:14
Speaker
It shouldn't be.
00:26:16
Speaker
A jumping sarcophagus.
00:26:17
Speaker
It's not flying into the air.
00:26:18
Speaker
Like the jumping beats.
00:26:20
Speaker
I was going to say Neto Leapers kind of thing off the screen.
00:26:23
Speaker
Elvira, Elvira.
00:26:25
Speaker
Hit the glass every time.
00:26:26
Speaker
It's a leaper head on there.
00:26:27
Speaker
But that's what I actually thought.
00:26:29
Speaker
Because if you actually have a fatigue joint, it's just like when you cast concrete, they have those fracture lines.
00:26:37
Speaker
There's a reason why there's a score there is because when concrete expands and shrinks, you want it to fracture along that line.
00:26:47
Speaker
And so that was my initial thought that that was the reason why it was a slider is because I thought it was a momentum buffer.
00:26:56
Speaker
Well, you know, what's interesting is, is that's something I was always toying with.
00:27:00
Speaker
And I was, I was thinking of monster bash, which I love.
00:27:04
Speaker
I think the remake monster bash is one of the prettiest pinball machines you can ever see.
00:27:09
Speaker
It's beautiful.
00:27:10
Speaker
But I was thinking of, I know the mummy's in there, but I wasn't really thinking of that as the Mac.
00:27:15
Speaker
I was thinking more of like Frankenstein.
00:27:17
Speaker
And you know how that, when that falls forward, his whole body falls forward and they can kind of hit him.
00:27:22
Speaker
So initially I thought of maybe that as an idea.
00:27:25
Speaker
Um, the biggest issue with, with where he fits is there's an opto right where his head is.
00:27:32
Speaker
And you can't, that's one of those, those limitations I told you about.
00:27:36
Speaker
It's like, that is not moving.
00:27:38
Speaker
So whatever you make has to fit somewhere around that.
00:27:42
Speaker
So I thought maybe he could like duck under, maybe he could slide under.
00:27:46
Speaker
And then when the thing moves forward, he'd slide out and come.
00:27:49
Speaker
And so after just thinking of it over and over, I thought this was probably the best way is that once he does reach that front edge.
00:27:58
Speaker
position, he's actually, he's lower than the ball and he'll slowly ride up on top of the pinball and then just sit there.
00:28:07
Speaker
So when that pinball does move, those Newton balls, they just don't go back and forward.
00:28:11
Speaker
They do actually go up a little bit, you know, with the spring on there.
00:28:16
Speaker
So if you do hit that, it's enough to hit him up and make him shoot.
00:28:19
Speaker
But then you've got to figure out the angle and how that's going to work.
00:28:23
Speaker
And because I'm not an engineer, but I have in my head what I think is going to work,
00:28:28
Speaker
It's really just me getting a bunch of super glue and balsa wood together and trying to make something that I think might work.
00:28:38
Speaker
So, yeah, I finally settled on this.
00:28:43
Speaker
What did you call it?
00:28:44
Speaker
Something dampener?
00:28:47
Speaker
Oh, momentum dampener.
00:28:49
Speaker
Yeah, momentum dampener.
00:28:50
Speaker
But that's yeah, that's the design.
00:28:51
Speaker
But that's what it's for, is I really just wanted to physically be able to hit him somehow.
00:28:57
Speaker
which is really fun when you're hitting mummy jackpots because he does light up and his eyes are blinking and it's like, shoot the mummy for, you know, and you hit him and he bounces in the air.
00:29:07
Speaker
And so, uh, so yeah, I'm, I'm really happy with the way it turned out, but it did take a long time.
00:29:11
Speaker
So that's what, that's why I didn't, I kind of kept it to myself and I didn't tell anybody I was making it.
00:29:18
Speaker
You told us about it.
00:29:19
Speaker
How long ago, Josh, was that, was that about a year ago that you had said you were working on a new project?
00:29:25
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:25
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:27
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And I had it done a long time ago.
00:29:29
Speaker
Well, not a long time, but I did have it done a while ago.
00:29:32
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I just, I got really stuck on how I was going to do the whole bashing part of it.
00:29:40
Speaker
And because I didn't have any sort of time restraint and because it was the summer and even before then, you know, when everyone's just sitting in their homes, I'm like, I'm just going to treat this kind of like a model ship.
00:29:53
Speaker
And I'll do a little bit at a time every night.
00:29:55
Speaker
You know, I think I'm heading in the right direction.
00:29:58
Speaker
But, you know, I really just took my time because if no one knows what I'm making, I don't feel obligated to to really write work on them all the time.
00:30:06
Speaker
And I felt that way with the monkey.
00:30:09
Speaker
The monkey took me almost a year to make.
00:30:11
Speaker
And I know there were some people there near the end who just.
00:30:14
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:14
Speaker
You know, I'm like, I'm sorry this took so long.
00:30:16
Speaker
I'm so sorry.
00:30:19
Speaker
You know, I didn't ask for this list thing.
00:30:21
Speaker
I mean, that's the whole other thing is the first witch was so organic.
00:30:25
Speaker
It's like I just put it out there and said, hey, look what I made.
00:30:28
Speaker
And someone said, hey, make me one.
00:30:29
Speaker
I said, great, sure.
00:30:30
Speaker
And then I made another.
00:30:31
Speaker
Then I made another.
00:30:31
Speaker
And eventually...
00:30:33
Speaker
I think I was up to 200 something and the interest died out and I just kind of went away.
00:30:37
Speaker
They weren't limited.
00:30:38
Speaker
They were just like, all
Production and Demand Management
00:30:40
Speaker
right, done.
00:30:41
Speaker
Let's move on to something else.
00:30:42
Speaker
So nothing I make is limited.
00:30:43
Speaker
It's really just how long I want to do it.
00:30:47
Speaker
Well, there's certainly a cycle run, I guess.
00:30:50
Speaker
Yeah, there definitely is.
00:30:52
Speaker
That's why I went back to make more monkeys.
00:30:53
Speaker
I know people want them.
00:30:55
Speaker
I have these parts sitting in the garage.
00:30:58
Speaker
They're not going anywhere.
00:30:59
Speaker
They're not doing anything.
00:31:00
Speaker
So I still get people asking me for them, but there are only so many hours in the day and I just don't have the time.
00:31:06
Speaker
I could hire someone.
00:31:08
Speaker
I might.
00:31:09
Speaker
I don't know.
00:31:11
Speaker
In the meantime, I'm just, I'm kind of happy, you know.
00:31:14
Speaker
Trisha helps me a ton.
00:31:16
Speaker
If I didn't mention the fact how much Trisha helps me, then she would kill me.
00:31:20
Speaker
But she really helps me.
00:31:23
Speaker
I have asked her so many times, you know, what do you think of this?
00:31:27
Speaker
Does this look okay?
00:31:28
Speaker
She's like, yes, it looks great.
00:31:29
Speaker
Yes, leave me alone.
00:31:31
Speaker
Just make it all right.
00:31:33
Speaker
And she helps me with boxing and she's the one who encouraged me to do it in the first place.
00:31:37
Speaker
So no question, I would not be doing it if my wife was not like, yeah, go for it.
00:31:46
Speaker
You know, because I sit at home hours upon hours painting, you know, or making pieces of plastic.
00:31:54
Speaker
But like I said, I love it.
00:31:55
Speaker
So do you have a handful of these made already or you just?
00:32:00
Speaker
I have.
00:32:00
Speaker
Yeah.
00:32:02
Speaker
five of them that I've made.
00:32:05
Speaker
These are four.
00:32:07
Speaker
Well, one of them's in my machine.
00:32:10
Speaker
Well, that's the sixth one.
00:32:12
Speaker
I've made technically seven.
00:32:14
Speaker
I made the first one, and then I made one for Scott to send off to see if it even worked.
00:32:20
Speaker
And then I put five out, and I just went for it.
00:32:23
Speaker
But usually I'll get the plastic.
00:32:27
Speaker
I have to kind of have the assumption that people will like it
00:32:31
Speaker
So that is a little bit stressful, especially if no one knows what I'm doing, you know, and I'm sitting at home and, you know, there's no money coming in and I'm like, I'm making something.
00:32:42
Speaker
I hope people like I'm going to make, I don't know.
00:32:47
Speaker
So I got a couple gallons of this resin and I ended up making 40 of these things.
00:32:52
Speaker
So there's, there's 40 pieces.
00:32:58
Speaker
I've got to sand them down and clean them up and paint them and do all that stuff.
00:33:04
Speaker
But yeah, I'd like to start gradually, but people are already asking for them on the thread or asking me to put on a list, which is very flattering.
00:33:14
Speaker
It's just that I don't want to feel like I'm behind, you know, people are like, where is it?
00:33:19
Speaker
Where is it?
00:33:20
Speaker
I'm like, I'm trying, I'm trying.
00:33:21
Speaker
Because, you know, life happens.
00:33:23
Speaker
I got to go out and do other things.
00:33:24
Speaker
Yeah.
00:33:25
Speaker
Yeah.
00:33:26
Speaker
This isn't your full-time gig.
00:33:28
Speaker
Well, right now it is, but no, it's not generally.
00:33:31
Speaker
You know, I, you know, I do have a life and it, and it takes hours.
00:33:35
Speaker
I wish it didn't, but it does.
00:33:38
Speaker
And I really, really thought about this one.
00:33:41
Speaker
before I even made it, just how can I do something that's going to make it quicker?
00:33:46
Speaker
So I made sure the molds are really clean.
00:33:48
Speaker
So there's not a lot of sanding.
00:33:50
Speaker
I made the lines very distinct on the, on the, on the sculptures.
00:33:54
Speaker
When I do go to paint it, I just have to line it with tape and I know where all the lines are and they're all going to be exactly the same or close enough.
00:34:03
Speaker
And I really thought about that because I know how much time on those other mods I spent going back to fix things.
00:34:09
Speaker
Or sanding pieces or cleaning pieces.
00:34:11
Speaker
And it really takes a ton of time.
00:34:16
Speaker
So, yeah, this is like the best that I can do right now.
00:34:20
Speaker
So I'm happy with that.
00:34:23
Speaker
Well, I do know, I don't know how to pronounce this guy's name.
00:34:28
Speaker
Joe Abate.
00:34:29
Speaker
I had posted a picture of it and he had said that's amazing, but he missed out on the flying monkey mod.
00:34:37
Speaker
So if you ever can make another one of them, you can contact Joe Abate.
00:34:41
Speaker
you know what that's that's a great problem i'm not i'm not saying oh i'm not making more i love it i i'm just i'm not hoarding stuff going no none for you i just really don't have the time and and if i'm not interested enough to do it i'd much rather do this because this is exciting for me it's brand new and and people like it you know so far what i've seen and when they get better pictures and i send them you know and i post some other stuff uh
00:35:11
Speaker
I think they're really going to like it.
00:35:12
Speaker
I think it fits the game really well.
00:35:15
Speaker
And going back to what you'd said about it looks better than those things.
00:35:18
Speaker
It's very nice of you.
00:35:19
Speaker
Maybe I need to like, I don't know, not paint it so well.
00:35:25
Speaker
It's going to slap it on there.
00:35:26
Speaker
Like, yeah, that one's good enough, but I can't, that would drive me crazy.
00:35:31
Speaker
I really have to like stare at this thing and make sure everything is working well.
00:35:38
Speaker
And that's just the way I am, you know?
00:35:42
Speaker
So the real question is, is your next mod going to be for Rush then, since you're such a big Rush fan?
00:35:48
Speaker
You know, it's funny because people ask that.
00:35:50
Speaker
But I gave the best answer that I could on the thread.
00:35:53
Speaker
When did Iron Maiden get made?
00:35:55
Speaker
When did that game come out?
00:35:56
Speaker
Four years ago?
00:35:57
Speaker
Yeah.
00:35:59
Speaker
Well, I'll have my LE ready to test your prototype because my LE is not going anywhere.
00:36:06
Speaker
Oh, my God.
00:36:07
Speaker
Neither is mine.
00:36:08
Speaker
I can't wait.
00:36:09
Speaker
But I generally – because, I mean, I see people already making mods for it.
00:36:14
Speaker
It's like the game hasn't even shown up yet because there's so many mods.
00:36:19
Speaker
And I think –
00:36:21
Speaker
the best way for me to make something is to play it for a long time and go, okay, where's the limitation on that?
00:36:28
Speaker
And then once the interest kind of dies away, then I'll, you know, I'll try to make something I think would enhance it, not necessarily just kind of stomp all over it, but like maybe,
00:36:40
Speaker
You know, just because of their budget and limitations, maybe someone there really wanted this thing, but they didn't have the money for
Authenticity and Design Philosophy
00:36:47
Speaker
it.
00:36:47
Speaker
You know, it's Stern or Jersey Jack, and they cut it out.
00:36:51
Speaker
And maybe I can imagine that this is what they wanted.
00:36:58
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So...
00:36:59
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Yeah, I mean, and in terms of fitting it, I knew it had to look like the game or it had to be relevant to Iron Maiden.
00:37:07
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I can't just... Lots of people put this sort of stuff in, this little, like, esophagus or esophagus.
00:37:13
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Esophagus?
00:37:14
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I'm not going to say that for the last time.
00:37:19
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People put this thing in and other things, and I just wanted it to look like...
00:37:27
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it was stock for the real for the real Iron Maiden fan when you see it uh
00:37:35
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It's very definitely their sarcophagus.
00:37:39
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When they were on tour with Power Slave in 84, I think, the World Slavery Tour.
00:37:46
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World Slavery Tour.
00:37:47
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Yeah.
00:37:48
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They had this sarcophagus.
00:37:50
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And there's pictures of Bruce Dickinson's leaning up against it.
00:37:53
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And it's a simpler version.
00:37:55
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And then when they did their Somewhere Back in Time tour in 2008, they had the same sarcophagus, but it's just a better version of it.
00:38:03
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And so that's where I went.
00:38:04
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I'm like, I know I want a sarcophagus.
00:38:06
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I'm not going to sit around and paint hieroglyphics on the thing, you know, forever and ever and ever.
00:38:12
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Maybe there's something that's pertinent to Iron Maiden that looks...
00:38:17
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stock.
00:38:18
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And that's what I wound up with was this sarcophagus that was on their stage when they were on tour.
00:38:26
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And that was the other challenge.
00:38:27
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It's like, can I replicate something five inches big for something I've never physically seen?
00:38:33
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Just go off of photos and screenshots of their concert footage and
00:38:40
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So, you know, the whole thing has just been a real challenge, but it's been really fun.
00:38:43
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And I'm glad people like it because I put a ton of work.
00:38:46
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Yeah.
00:38:49
Speaker
That looks pretty cool.
00:38:50
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Thank you.
00:38:51
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Yeah.
00:38:51
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It's certainly, I mean, talk about attention to detail.
00:38:56
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And that, that is absolutely unbelievable.
00:38:58
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Thank you.
00:38:59
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I honest, there are parts of it.
00:39:00
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Cause I started it so long ago.
00:39:02
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I don't remember how I did certain sections of it.
00:39:07
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I, like I said, I know the sticks were bamboo skewers.
00:39:11
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Uh, and I know the nails, but the rest of it, I don't, it's all clay.
00:39:15
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I just don't remember when I did it or I started with a small little plastic skull, a little skeleton skull.
00:39:23
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And then I just started laying clay on top of that.
00:39:25
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And that's what, that's what this is.
00:39:27
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There's a little, there's a little plastic skeleton head in there somewhere.
00:39:33
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I just started building on top of it and making stuff.
00:39:38
Speaker
So two questions for amateur mod people out there who want to start modding themselves.
00:39:45
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What are three pieces of advice?
00:39:48
Speaker
Oh my gosh.
00:39:49
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I don't know.
00:39:50
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Make it look like it fits in the game.
00:39:55
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And I don't care what it is.
00:39:57
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You can 3D print something magnificent.
00:39:59
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If it looks like it belongs in the game, you know, or it can be really small.
00:40:03
Speaker
It can be really big, but just make it look stock.
00:40:06
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Try to make it look stock.
00:40:08
Speaker
Um, and, uh, don't rely too much on 3d printers.
00:40:19
Speaker
I'm going to go down in flames.
00:40:21
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You know, as the guy with, you know, the notepad and the pencil, I'm going to design my next mod next to the guy.
00:40:26
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Like I've already designed it.
00:40:28
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Ah, one day I'm going to learn how to, how to 3d print.
00:40:35
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I just don't know how, um,
00:40:38
Speaker
So there's really no rhyme or reason you do these, right?
00:40:40
Speaker
Like, it's not like one day you just wake up and you're like, oh, I need a mod Iron Maiden.
00:40:45
Speaker
Oh, no, I've already got, oh, trust me, I have already two big ideas circling in my head that I want to do.
00:40:54
Speaker
I just don't have the time.
00:40:56
Speaker
For other games or for, can we ask?
00:40:59
Speaker
No, it's always going to be for whatever I own.
00:41:03
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And I don't have a huge collection.
00:41:05
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I'm going to make it for myself.
00:41:07
Speaker
Get this man a Godzilla.
00:41:10
Speaker
Oh my god, no, Godzilla's modded within an inch of its life already.
00:41:14
Speaker
No, it could use more.
00:41:15
Speaker
Jeez, people are doing that game.
00:41:18
Speaker
I was like, I'm not even getting near that game.
00:41:21
Speaker
The challenge though is, you know, you go over to that person's house that has like a thousand troll dolls on the mantle or just something that's just so over the top that it becomes clutter.
00:41:34
Speaker
That's the art of modding.
00:41:37
Speaker
The art of modding is to know where to put something and where to keep it empty space.
00:41:42
Speaker
Well, yeah, and there's a fine line between modding and just having your own grown-up dollhouse.
00:41:49
Speaker
I mean, people feel that thing.
00:41:52
Speaker
I've seen some games.
00:41:54
Speaker
Simpsons is really asking for it.
00:41:58
Speaker
But when I started, I think the...
00:42:01
Speaker
The big one was Twilight Zone.
00:42:04
Speaker
And I thought that was great.
00:42:05
Speaker
It's like everything on the play field was being replicated somehow three dimensionally.
00:42:11
Speaker
I thought that was great.
00:42:13
Speaker
But now that people are learning how to 3D print and it's cheaper and it's easier, I mean, these things come out left and right.
00:42:21
Speaker
I don't know.
00:42:21
Speaker
Going back to the rush real quick, I saw the guy who already 3D printed the whole back line to their...
00:42:27
Speaker
Their time machine tour.
00:42:28
Speaker
I was like, how did you do that so quickly?
00:42:32
Speaker
You know, but are you going to fit it into the game?
00:42:35
Speaker
Right.
00:42:37
Speaker
Like, is it does it make sense to fit it in the game or is it just this thing that you design?
00:42:43
Speaker
And I think that's the real challenge is it you have to put it in so it doesn't look like you just found it on a shelf and stuck it in the game.
00:42:51
Speaker
Well, and that's what makes me chuckle is you're saying this and it's bringing me back to the first pinball machine that I went out and bought.
00:43:01
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The gentleman's house I went to, he was obsessed with modding.
00:43:04
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This is before 3D printers and stuff like this.
00:43:06
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It was almost a decade ago.
00:43:08
Speaker
And he had to know good gophers.
00:43:11
Speaker
And his brilliant idea of modding was taking AstroTurf and gluing it to the inside of the pinball machine.
00:43:20
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on the apron and as the side.
00:43:22
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And I'm like, and he was very proud of it.
00:43:25
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And I didn't want to, you know, I didn't say anything.
00:43:26
Speaker
I was like, Oh yeah, that's really nice.
00:43:29
Speaker
Why AstroTurf?
00:43:32
Speaker
Well, you know, Hey, I'm super guilty.
00:43:34
Speaker
My Indiana Jones was like, you know, you had to, you had to machete your way through all the plastic jungle plants.
00:43:40
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I stuck in there for a while.
00:43:43
Speaker
It's just, you know, it's just one of those things.
00:43:45
Speaker
I, I, I totally get it.
00:43:46
Speaker
I have no problem with,
00:43:48
Speaker
with people modding their machines.
00:43:50
Speaker
I think I'm flattered if people, if people want to buy mine, if someone's selling their machine and it's, and it's coming with it and they like, they want it.
00:43:58
Speaker
I think that's great.
00:43:59
Speaker
I couldn't ask for more than, than that.
00:44:02
Speaker
Um,
00:44:03
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But yeah, I think that's the number one rule.
00:44:04
Speaker
It's just you have to make it look stock and you have to make it look good.
00:44:08
Speaker
And I know I mentioned this on the last time I was talking to you, but when I started, there were just random people doing things.
00:44:17
Speaker
I know this guy named Swinks.
00:44:19
Speaker
I don't know his real name.
00:44:19
Speaker
That might be his real name.
00:44:20
Speaker
But when he did the snack bar mod for Creature from the Black Lagoon, it's real small, but it's
Influential Mods and Community Impact
00:44:25
Speaker
real subtle.
00:44:25
Speaker
And it's great putting neon down there.
00:44:29
Speaker
the Tron machine, whoever did that, the little arcade machine is so great.
00:44:33
Speaker
For me, it was the guy...
00:44:36
Speaker
I think his name is Jeff now because I went back to look at his thread.
00:44:39
Speaker
But it's the T-Rex that he made for the Data East Jurassic Park.
00:44:47
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:44:47
Speaker
And I remember mentioning this to you, but if people – I don't know if you can find the link to it.
00:44:51
Speaker
I can send you the link because the thread doesn't come up anymore.
00:44:54
Speaker
So it would be really hard to find.
00:44:56
Speaker
But the talent that this guy had – and he was a legitimate sculptor.
00:45:03
Speaker
But he didn't, I think he did stop motion animation at one point, but he made this T-Rex out of clay.
00:45:09
Speaker
And I was just like, wow, that to me was the coolest thing I've seen.
00:45:16
Speaker
So I always think of that guy when I'm making something.
00:45:18
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It's like, well, I know he made a T-Rex, so I can try to work something better.
00:45:22
Speaker
And I'm getting better at it.
00:45:24
Speaker
But that sort of stuff inspires me.
00:45:26
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:27
Speaker
I remember looking at buying this mod because I used to have a Data East Jurassic Park.
00:45:33
Speaker
And it never made sense to me, the T-Rex that they put in there, because it looks nothing like the movie T-Rex.
00:45:40
Speaker
Like nothing.
00:45:41
Speaker
Not the same color, not the same sculpt.
00:45:43
Speaker
I'm like, what is this?
00:45:45
Speaker
It looks like a plucked parrot.
00:45:48
Speaker
Oh, are you on the thread?
00:45:49
Speaker
I am on the thread.
00:45:50
Speaker
So, so here, I think it's like JP improved T-rex work in progress.
00:45:56
Speaker
Yes.
00:45:56
Speaker
And don't, don't be fooled by the 3d print stuff because what he tried to do was, um, there was such a demand.
00:46:03
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I think he may be made 30, maybe.
00:46:07
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Yeah.
00:46:08
Speaker
It says when it says by winter is coming.
00:46:11
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Yes.
00:46:12
Speaker
Uh, but he, um,
00:46:15
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Once he was done, the thing was such in high demand and he thought, well, I'm going to try to 3D print it.
00:46:20
Speaker
So he does go that route near the end and I don't know if he even finished the project.
00:46:26
Speaker
But the thread is that he's 3D printing, but you have to go back to the original thread.
00:46:31
Speaker
And what I noticed after rereading it is I'm kind of following his template, like exactly, where he was showing everybody...
00:46:39
Speaker
What he was doing with the clay, I don't do it so much more, but when I was making the first witch, he was showing his mistakes.
00:46:44
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He's showing, I don't know how I'm going to do this.
00:46:45
Speaker
And, you know, bit by bit and piece by piece, he just kind of showed it.
00:46:49
Speaker
And then this list kind of gradually developed of people that, you know, wanted him to make him one, make one for him.
00:46:56
Speaker
But I love that thread.
00:46:58
Speaker
If you could bring that thing back up, it's great to look at because it's so much talent.
00:47:05
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:47:06
Speaker
And it's a good looking, it is a fantastic looking T-Rex.
00:47:09
Speaker
And you know what's funny?
00:47:10
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It's great.
00:47:10
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And you know what's funny about it, too, is when he did decide to 3D print it, I remember a comment somewhere, it must be on the thread, but he said something like, oh, it drives me crazy that it's not symmetrical.
00:47:21
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You know, which is the hardest thing to do when you're making something by hand.
00:47:26
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Symmetrical, symmetry is very easy when it's in a computer.
00:47:31
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In fact, for this thing, I thought the top would be the hardest.
00:47:34
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And that's why I did the top first.
00:47:36
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But the bottom turned out to be the hardest thing for me to do because I had to keep all these lines straight.
00:47:43
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And when it's small, it's really hard to do.
00:47:48
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anyone can do that sort of stuff by hand, I think it's great.
00:47:52
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Not knocking anybody else, but that to me, that struck a chord with me, just physically trying to manipulate this thing with your hands.
00:48:00
Speaker
We can't say it enough.
00:48:01
Speaker
It is a good looking mod.
00:48:04
Speaker
I hate to even call it a mod because it feels like it should be part of the game.
00:48:08
Speaker
This feels like it should be on the LE.
00:48:10
Speaker
That's what it feels like.
00:48:12
Speaker
It should be part of the feature matrix that Stern releases.
00:48:18
Speaker
You know, that would be awesome.
00:48:20
Speaker
If, if this thing, if this thing got popular enough to where they could go into code and do some little bonky sound, you know, whenever you hit him something, cause it's there, but it's not, you know, it's not loud, but it's there.
00:48:37
Speaker
Uh, but yeah, I mean, we'll see.
00:48:38
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I, I, I took it farther than I could have.
00:48:40
Speaker
I mean, it's kind of like I said, with the limitations, that's about as much as you can do with that mech.
00:48:46
Speaker
Um,
00:48:47
Speaker
But thank you.
00:48:47
Speaker
I'm really happy with it.
00:48:49
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I'm actually thrilled that you like it.
Distribution Plans and Community Engagement
00:48:51
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Yeah.
00:48:51
Speaker
No, it is fantastic.
00:48:53
Speaker
And I'm sorry, even if I sell Iron Maiden, Gus is staying with me.
00:48:58
Speaker
I have zero desire selling Iron Maiden just because of the two bands, I know that I'm a weirdo and an outlier, but the two bands that I would definitely buy and never sell were Iron Maiden and Rush.
00:49:13
Speaker
And I have accomplished my life goal.
00:49:17
Speaker
Well, good, good.
00:49:17
Speaker
Well, Trisha would have gladly had me sell Iron Maiden.
00:49:21
Speaker
But once I made the mod for it, she's like, well, now you got to keep it.
00:49:26
Speaker
But she doesn't like the music either.
00:49:27
Speaker
But interestingly enough, she can't wait for Rush because she she her brother is a drummer.
00:49:33
Speaker
Oh, wow.
00:49:34
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:34
Speaker
And her brother played he and I played in a band.
00:49:38
Speaker
years and years ago.
00:49:40
Speaker
So when he was practicing his drums, he was in the garage next to her bedroom, just always playing moving pictures, always.
00:49:47
Speaker
And so she knows all this stuff by heart.
00:49:49
Speaker
So I'm not driving her crazy if I play Rush.
00:49:51
Speaker
She knows it.
00:49:52
Speaker
She's like, oh yeah.
00:49:53
Speaker
Okay, Steve, I do have a question though.
00:49:55
Speaker
If people want to get one of these awesome mods, if they want to get Gus in their machine, what is the best way to do it?
00:50:02
Speaker
I don't know yet.
00:50:03
Speaker
That's my honest answer.
00:50:05
Speaker
I really, really, really wanted to show it just to get it out there so I can't hide it anymore.
00:50:12
Speaker
So Tricia actually did it for me, which is funny.
00:50:16
Speaker
It's going to be on my thread.
00:50:17
Speaker
Okay.
00:50:18
Speaker
So check his thread.
00:50:19
Speaker
Where's the thread?
00:50:20
Speaker
How can we find it?
00:50:22
Speaker
You can search my name, G-O-U-V-E-I-A, Govea, or just search Red Smoke Witch Mod, I think it still comes up, or just Sarcophagus.
00:50:32
Speaker
Actually, I was going to say, yeah, I just actually just looked at, in the quick search, I did Iron Maiden Mod.
00:50:37
Speaker
Yours popped up first.
00:50:39
Speaker
Well, forget what I just said.
00:50:40
Speaker
Go to Iron Maiden Mod.
00:50:42
Speaker
Yeah, it's one of the first ones that pop up.
00:50:44
Speaker
The title has changed.
00:50:46
Speaker
The thread that used to be Red Smoke Witch Mod is now New Iron Maiden Sarcophagus Mod by Govea.
00:50:54
Speaker
Yeah, I decided to keep the same thread just because... No, it's perfect.
00:50:58
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People told me to.
00:51:00
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And there's a lot of ups and downs.
00:51:05
Speaker
It's a saga, that thread.
00:51:07
Speaker
Six years of me just talking about chickens and making stuff.
00:51:12
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But I can't go anywhere.
00:51:13
Speaker
Where am I going to go?
00:51:17
Speaker
I'm the one.
00:51:17
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It's the only thread I have.
00:51:19
Speaker
I barely post on anybody else's threads.
00:51:21
Speaker
The only one I have.
00:51:24
Speaker
But yeah, that's where you go.
00:51:25
Speaker
Iron Maiden mod.
00:51:26
Speaker
Correct, Josh?
00:51:28
Speaker
Yes.
00:51:28
Speaker
That's where I typed in and it brought right up.
00:51:30
Speaker
Awesome.
00:51:30
Speaker
Thank you.
00:51:32
Speaker
And I know we've got you some hats, but now I have some more stickers.
00:51:35
Speaker
So I'll send you some more rainbow holographic stickers I'll send down.
00:51:39
Speaker
Well, these are new.
00:51:41
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:42
Speaker
Oh, I'm all about swag, man.
00:51:45
Speaker
Which reminds me, I do actually have some new hats, just some test run hats in the works.
00:51:51
Speaker
I will have them done by Texas.
00:51:54
Speaker
And so we should be bringing those with us to TPF to see kind of the response, I guess.
00:51:58
Speaker
I've worn out the beanie you guys gave me so much that it's in so many photos I take with Trisha and I. I wore it on our trip.
00:52:06
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She's like, you got to take the hat off.
00:52:09
Speaker
Oh, wow.
00:52:11
Speaker
I'm kidding.
00:52:12
Speaker
We need to send her stuff.
00:52:13
Speaker
Ask what she wants.
00:52:15
Speaker
We'll get some swag for her.
00:52:18
Speaker
Oh, she'll take it.
00:52:18
Speaker
I told you.
00:52:20
Speaker
It's kind of unisex, but we should find some stuff that perhaps the ladies are more interested in, you know, because...
00:52:30
Speaker
Not every hat's the same.
00:52:32
Speaker
Of course.
00:52:33
Speaker
And I showed you your hat.
00:52:35
Speaker
Oh, check that out.
00:52:36
Speaker
That's nice.
00:52:37
Speaker
So yeah, this is one of the samples.
00:52:39
Speaker
This is a charcoal with a green.
00:52:41
Speaker
I know you guys can't see it through the screen because this is a podcast.
00:52:46
Speaker
Yeah, Trisha, well, I showed you.
00:52:48
Speaker
It made our Christmas card.
00:52:50
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:51
Speaker
No, it was, we loved it.
00:52:52
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Yeah.
00:52:53
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:53
Speaker
But it was, you know, where am I getting, we were up in Oregon.
00:52:56
Speaker
We're in the country.
00:52:56
Speaker
It's a nice picture.
00:52:57
Speaker
I'm like, well, it's not posed for anything.
00:52:58
Speaker
That picture's fine.
00:52:59
Speaker
And you know, pinball loser kid.
00:53:05
Speaker
Well, we didn't, okay.
00:53:06
Speaker
Literally we didn't even get around to doing Christmas cards this year.
00:53:09
Speaker
And we bought like 30 of those popcorn bags from Costco that we were planning on handing out.
00:53:15
Speaker
We still have 25 of those bags in the back of my van.
00:53:18
Speaker
Oh, really?
00:53:18
Speaker
Nice.
00:53:19
Speaker
Yeah.
00:53:20
Speaker
It's,
00:53:21
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I think you should just put some heart.
00:53:26
Speaker
But it's hard, man.
00:53:27
Speaker
It's hard to get out and get that stuff.
00:53:29
Speaker
You know, the first time we all shut in, I had a couple of friends who drove around the city giving cookies.
00:53:33
Speaker
It was so sweet because people live miles and miles away, but they just wanted to reconnect.
00:53:38
Speaker
But this time around, it's like, yeah.
00:53:41
Speaker
whatever come by and get it yeah come and get it if you if you want some uh some some zebra popcorn come to my house y'all i'll give you back nice well steve we appreciate you coming on and whatnot uh once again if you guys haven't checked out you need to go check out this thread give it give it a look over this this mod is insane like it's just it's so cool thank you but um
00:54:06
Speaker
Thanks again.
00:54:07
Speaker
It's always fun having you on.
00:54:08
Speaker
Oh, thanks.
00:54:09
Speaker
It's fun being here.
00:54:09
Speaker
It's, you know, talking pinball is, is a rarity, you know, for me.
00:54:16
Speaker
So it's nice to have, you know, to talk about it.
Closing Thoughts on Mental Health and Well-being
00:54:19
Speaker
So anytime.
00:54:20
Speaker
Well, good.
00:54:21
Speaker
You guys, you got anything for us, Scott, before I do our little outro?
00:54:25
Speaker
You know, I'm looking for the new, the 2.0 Loser Kid hat.
00:54:29
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So we need to get on that and see.
00:54:32
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Supply issues have hit us like everybody else.
00:54:35
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So we'll see what we can do.
00:54:38
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Well, you'll see a 2.0.
00:54:39
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I made you an extra green one and then I have a red one.
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So I'll be showing you.
00:54:44
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Nice.
00:54:44
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Anywho, if you want to get a hold of us, we are Loser Kid Pinball Podcast at gmail.com.
00:54:49
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You can also get a hold of us on Facebook.
00:54:52
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on twitch twitter and instagram all at loserkinball um yeah and we appreciate all those that have been reaching out we had a lot of amazing positive feedback from our last episode with ed robertson of the bare naked ladies uh and it was amazing to have him have his perspective on lyman and uh
00:55:17
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Once again, if you're struggling or anything like that, we're here to listen.
00:55:21
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We can get you to the right people to talk to if you're having worse thoughts, I guess.
00:55:27
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So like Ed said, you're worth it in this world.
00:55:31
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And we don't know what we do with that yet.
00:55:34
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Yeah, and I'll add to that.
00:55:36
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We actually had a very unfortunate accident with a bully situation here in Utah.
00:55:41
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We're at...
00:55:45
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Sorry, I talked with my kids about this.
00:55:49
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We had a sad situation here in Utah where a 12 year old took his own life because of bullying.
00:55:55
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So be very aware of your kids.
00:55:59
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This is a hard time for them to.
00:56:01
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So please reach out to them.
00:56:03
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Tell them you love them.
00:56:04
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Tell them that they matter.
00:56:06
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and make sure that you know what's going on in their life too because it's easy to focus on us and it's sometimes hard to realize that we need to reach out beyond us too and especially take care of the ones who are the most vulnerable, which are our kids.
00:56:22
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So just want to focus on what's most important.
00:56:28
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And pinball is always fun, but family is most important.
00:56:32
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So, well, we'll leave it on that note.
00:56:35
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I guess we'll see you guys in two weeks.