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The 2024 Arkhaios Film Festival - TAS 281
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The Arkhaios Film Festival is a free annual event that takes place every fall. It highlights the work of film makers working in the anthropology and archaeology space. This year the Archaeology Podcast Network participated in the jury selection process and we interviewed a few of the film makers. In this episode you’ll hear from Andrew Jones of Curiosity Trek and Alessio Consorte of The Last Shop, two of the short films that were selected.
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Introduction to The Archaeology Show
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You're listening to the Archaeology Podcast Network. You're listening to The Archaeology Show. TAS goes behind the headlines to bring you the real stories about archaeology and the history around us. Welcome to the podcast.
Archios Film Festival Overview
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Hello, and welcome to The Archaeology Show, episode 281. On today's show, we talk about the Archios Film Festival and interview two of the short film selection creators. Let's dig a little deeper into the films. It's true.
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Welcome to the show. Hello. All right. So this is going to be a little bit different yeah because, yeah, we're going to have one section here, a little short section where we just kind of talk about this film festival. But in sections two and three, I interviewed two of these sort of film selection creators. Yeah. Yeah.
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So there were 10 short films selected to participate in this film festival. And the festival is from October 14th to 20th. And since these films are all kind of anthropology, archeology, history related, we were asked to, you know, review. I think some of the team did do some reviews of the films yeah and we were given the opportunity to interview some of the creators. So that was a really cool opportunity for us. Yeah, actually, yeah some of our APN team members have done some of the reviews on some of the short films, and Rachel and I didn't participate, so we could do some of the interviewing, yeah and because we didn't want to like cloud all that and do that. Anyway, the film festival is really cool because it's actually
Accessing the Festival: Online & In-Person
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virtual. There is an in-person component, but it's actually virtual as well, so from October 14th to the 20th,
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If you go to the webpage, which is linked down in the show notes, you can ... I'm actually not sure what it looks like because we never participated in this before, but if you go to the website, presumably around or slightly before that time, you can go there. you're going to be You register for free because it doesn't cost anything, and you're going to be given some kind of a token or password or something like that because you only get access to the films for a short period of time because these are creators works. You don't get it forever.
00:02:08
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And you get a short period of time to see the films, it's a few days, it's not forever. And... Looks like seven days. Seven days, right. Yeah, they have some very clear instructions on their website. That's right, that's right, yeah. And then you can watch the films, you can take a look and participate. But there also are in-person viewings which are taking place at Florence, South Carolina, Darlington, South Carolina, Columbia, South Carolina, Fort Worth, Texas, Mobile, Alabama, and Chicago, Illinois.
00:02:34
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Quite a lot of places, but they are kind of concentrated in the southeast, so yeah. And Chicago. And Chicago, yeah. In Texas. yeah Yeah. So I'm pretty sure they're all happening at the same time as October 14th to the 20th. I've never seen any other dates on there, and um I was trying to get out of the creators if those dates were going to stay the same. I think they're still trying to kind of line out some of those details, but just follow their socials. They're on Facebook. They're on their website here. you can get all that again from our link in the show notes. Yeah, definitely. And these films, the short films that we've been able to watch anyway, are very much worth your time because they are so cool. yeah And the two creators that we were able to interview had two such incredibly different films too, which was also really neat because it just shows this like wide variety of people out there. creating really cool content and you get such drastically different stories, but both equally interesting.
Andrew Davis and the Curiosity Trek Series
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Yeah. So the first one you're you're going to hear is it's a series called curiosity track. Yes. And it was created by Andrew Davis and he's in Columbia, South Carolina, and it's actually for a
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network, I guess, down there called SCE TV. Yeah. And it's, I guess it's probably called something like South Carolina education TV or something like that. Yeah. And he's been working with them. This is, this was the first season and they're working on season two right now. Yep. But it's just a, I think it's a 10 episode series if not mistaken. Six. Six. That's right. I did the interview. You think I would know that, but you just edited it. I just edited it. So I've got it all fresh in my brain. Right. So it was a it was a couple episodes that he submitted for the series. One of them was selected. Yes. And it's the episode that we talked about basically and you can hear all about it. It's the most amazing story. We won't go into it too much. But like what I loved about this film was the whole taking an artifact and
00:04:28
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connecting the history, the written history, the oral history and the artifact and like the archaeology and bringing all that together into one big story. right Because with artifacts, you don't always have a big story, but this one really, really does. And it's so cool to corroborate it throughout the history, the written history as well.
00:04:47
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Yeah, and you know the cool thing is, while this is going to be on the Archios Film Festival, this particular series, you actually found this on PBS. Yeah, yeah you can go yeah watch it now. I just typed in the name. We'll find the link that we used because it just seemed to be like a PBS website that was that has all the episodes available to watch. And yeah, it's a great series.
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it Again, I love building context around a single artifact, which was Andrew's goal, it sounds like, and you'll hear more about that in in the interview with him, but he wants to to build that bigger story around these individual items. So season one is really built on that idea, and it's some really great episodes. So definitely check it out beyond just this one one film that was selected for the film festival.
00:05:35
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Indeed. All right. And then the second one was an interview with creator Alessio Consorte and his translator. yeah it's like Just like from the editing perspective, I actually just left in all his Italian. Yeah. And then, cause he says, he answers Chris's questions in Italian and then his translator jumps in and helps, but like he also speaks English as well. So like it's a little bit of like just the both of them sort of like trying to convey his answers to your questions. And it was definitely a different experience editing wise for me, but I think it turned out pretty cool. You can really hear his passion when he's speaking in Italian, even if you don't understand the words that he's saying so.
00:06:17
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It's really cool too because I do have to explain something here because you're probably not going to see, well you're you're not gonna see the film before you hear this podcast. right you're If you're listening to the show in real time, you're gonna hear this and then if you go watch the films, you're not gonna be able to see the films until they come out. Until the 14th, yeah. But that you're gonna have the context that we didn't have because we actually did get access to the films ahead of time. yeah And when we were watching this, we were kind of like,
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Why did why was this so shaky a little bit? You know, why was it so shaky? But he had his camera on a tripod and he actually didn't want any dialogue in the short film yeah He intended to go do a longer film later on but the guy actually died when he went back a year later So he didn't get to do it, but he wanted a no dialogue just watching him do this whole like pottery process and this whole thing and you'll understand all that when you hear the thing but I thought it was really interesting that when this guy started in this old shack just like slamming this huge thing of pottery down on the table it was shaking the whole building this clay yes the clay it was shaking this whole building yeah ah he had to take his camera off the tripod and basically hold it yeah because it was just
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So violent. Yeah. So then you, so then you ended up with this kind of, yeah this kind of handheld camera motion and yeah you really do see it just kind of come off the tripod yeah in real time and and i'm watch him shooting it. So I asked him about that too. It was like, what's going on there? Yeah. So. Well, but Alessio's point with this film was to sort of show this basically ancient pottery process. It hasn't changed in hundreds of years. It hasn't changed in hundreds of years. And this one very old man who was the shop owner, it was following his process through, like you're talking about with the clay and in making these plates, which I think was probably the the main part of his business, was making just like pottery plates. But another aspect of his business as well was making these little bird whistles too. and
00:08:06
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Big bird whistles, really. Yeah, actually, they they were. Yeah, it was kind of big, wasn't it? But honestly, if you don't listen to anything else in the rest of this podcast, go listen to that whistle. i My mouth dropped open when I was editing to hear the whistle and the different sounds it can make, depending on whether there's water in it or not. It was ah amazing. You have to go listen to that part. It was so cool. so But but yeah, that was a little bit more of an anthropology type of thing, because it's like this like living it's sort of this living history of a ah process that is super old and continues to be done in the the same way today. And we have, you know, historical or archaeological evidence of it happening probably for hundreds of years. And then people are still doing it in this town of artisans. So really a neat but totally different type of film. Yeah, it was pretty cool. Yeah. All right. Well, I think with that, I would take a look at your show notes, go mark bookmark the page yeah and wait to register for the film festival. I don't know if you can register now or not and and get your credentials, but, you know, go check that out. Go follow them on Facebook because they'll probably have some announcements when you can when you can do that if you're in the area. I know ah we're going to be traveling and we're we're getting to North Carolina around the time of the film festival. So
00:09:20
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and And I don't know, I've got a pretty heavy work schedule. But I was going to try to go down to Columbia. Yeah, we're only an hour from Columbia where we're going to be. So we could easily do that as long as it fits with our work schedule. I know. Yeah. yeah I know. I was going to try to see when they, because they haven't actually come up with a schedule in Columbia yet on when the films are being shown and and what's happening. But I was hoping to at least pop down for some of it. so Yeah, for sure. um If you're in the Columbia, South Carolina area for the festival, maybe we'll see you. But otherwise, so Hopefully ah you get to check some of it out, but I think with that we'll leave it to the interviews and let us know what you think All right
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yeah the side Okay.
Lieutenant Dixon's Coin Historical Analysis
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Welcome to The Archaeology Show. And on this segment, we're going to talk to Andrew Davis of Curiosity Trek. And he has submitted an episode of Curiosity Trek, which is a series. And you know what? We actually found it on PBS, on the PBS app. but You can watch the whole series.
00:10:18
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But an episode of this series, episode four, was submitted to the Archaos, and we're actually, we were talking about this before we recorded, we're not actually sure how to pronounce this, but we're talking, that we you know, go find the website, it's all, all the information is in the show notes, but the Archaos or Archaos Film Festival that's premiering this October, you can see this episode, and it's about this person named Lieutenant George Dixon, but we'll talk about that. But first, welcome to the show, Andrew Davis.
00:10:46
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Hey, thanks for having me, Chris. Yeah, no problem. So first, why don't let's talk about the series in general before we get to this particular episode. What was the inspiration for creating Curiosity Trek? Well, being a lifelong student of history, I have always had a passion for the subject. And I've been at South Carolina ETV for about seven years now. And about a couple of years ago, I was approached by one of my supervisors to come up with an idea for a new series. And so I did some brainstorming and I kind of just figured, OK, what's something that ETV has either never done before or something that's not been done in a very long time?
00:11:23
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And so after doing some racking in my brain, I decided, why not a show about historical artifacts? Because I love going to museums. I love traveling. And whenever I go visit historic places, there's always either one object or like a set of objects that just draws your attention and you're like, what's the story with these things? So I figured, hey, why not do something similar along the lines of what are some successful shows on the History Channel? I grew up watching shows like American Pickers and Pawn Stars and I figured, hey, why not make an educational show
00:12:05
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kind of in that same vein where we travel throughout South Carolina and highlight artifacts of historical value, things that are either historically valuable or that are just cool or weird or they're tied to historic South Carolina figures because the people tied to these objects or relics may be gone, but their stories are kind of immortalized and these objects left behind. So why not tour South Carolina and show people things that they don't get to see every day?
00:12:33
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Nice. And how did you decide what to nail down for these episodes with there being probably a wealth of information to choose from? Oh, absolutely. That's the one thing about history is that there is always content to produce stuff on. It's a very it's a vast subject.
00:12:51
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But when I was first coming up with the series, I traveled throughout South Carolina visiting different historical sites and working with different museums and organizations to go, okay, do you have any interesting artifacts that you feel visitors should see if they come visit you or things that are just interesting that they don't get to see every day?
00:13:11
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So I did a bunch of scouting trips all over South Carolina a couple of years ago. so But then after that, I came up with this massive list of artifacts to choose from. And then ultimately, I went over to our folks in the Education Department because the stuff that we produce has to be tied to the 2020 Social Studies standards.
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so I took this big list and I sent it over to the education folks and they helped me narrow down what are the most prominent ones that they would like to see that educators can find use with versus ones that are maybe fun or cruel but not quite educational.
00:13:48
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And once I got the shortlist down, the hard part was, okay, who's actually interested in participating in this? Who can we showcase without time constraints? Because you know, communication is i'm not 100% perfect. Things happen. And if one object or artifact doesn't really work. Like if there's a time conflict, for example, coming up with a plan B, and we ended up actually having to do that in season one, there was an artifact I wanted to see at the South Carolina State Museum, but due to scheduling conflict, and they were having their roof replaced, we ended up having to go with another one for the last episode of season one. So we narrowed it down to six, and it's going to be six per season.
00:14:31
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And yeah, it just happened to turn out that the Edisto shell rings was the pilot. Nice. Nice. All right. Well, episode four of this season was chosen as a selection for this, uh, this year's 2024 film festival. So why don't you tell us about that? Certainly. When I was first coming up with this show, it was actually the coin found on the Hunley. That was what my mind first went to when I thought of a show about cool artifacts. What are some prominent South Carolina artifacts that we can show in in this series?
00:15:06
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And when I was first coming up with the concept of the show, Lieutenant Dixon's coin, it's such a fascinating story. It has to be told. And the humly is one of those chapters of South Carolina's history where it's like the more you learn about it, just the more bizarre and crazy the story gets.
00:15:23
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But this coin was found on board the H.L. Hunley Confederate submarine. And this object is arguably just as legendary as the submarine itself. I mean, considering when you hear the phrase or term life preserver,
00:15:38
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you're probably thinking about either like a helmet or a bulletproof vest, not a coin. and the And the fact that in the height of the Civil War, in one of the bloodiest battles in the early part of the war, which was the Battle of Shiloh in 1862, Lieutenant George Dixon took a mini ball to his left thigh and if that coin had not been in that exact spot to absorb the brunt of the damage, he could have lost his leg and probably his life. e But he got shot in the leg and the coin was actually bent and i if I remember correctly, you can actually
00:16:16
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there are still traces of that lead mini ball in the $20 coin today, which is just crazy. And he carried that coin around with him as his life preserver, his good luck charm after the battle even had it engraved, you know, my life preserver, GED, Battle of Shiloh, April 1862. So The story of this coin, you can't help but wonder, was it coincidence, one big mass of coincidence, or was it destiny that led Lieutenant Dixon to meet Horace Lawson Hundley in Mobile, Alabama, and get connected with this iron fish boat that was being constructed in the a Park and Lines machine shop in Mobile. and yeah Of course, there were two crews that had died on the Hundley before ah Dixon took command.
00:17:03
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so but Like when I asked the question, is it destiny or coincidence? If it wasn't for that coin saving his life, he would not have made history on that cold, dark evening of February 17, 1864.
00:17:16
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yeah and it was a legend. they They weren't really sure if the legend was true or not, like there have been newspaper reportings about it after the Battle of Shiloh, but it wasn't really confirmed until Clemson University archaeologist Maria Jacobson plunged her hand into the muck around Lieutenant of Dixon's remains and her fingers felt the touch of a familiar object and she pulled it out and had it washed off And there it was, Dixon's coin that he carried around with him everywhere, even when the Hunley attacked the Housatonic, it was there. So legend became fact. Yeah, I think.
00:17:55
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I think that part was super cool just watching the video because you know, as archeologists, you do go to sites with research behind you and expecting maybe to find certain things, but not specific things. You know what I mean? Like you go somewhere and you you're like, Oh, I expect to find this kind of a projectile point or this kind of a, you know, an object or
Curiosity Trek Series Production Insights
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something like that. But to go somewhere and, and, and think, well, we might find this exact object if something might be true. And, and I don't know if,
00:18:24
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You know, they they knew of the the legend. They knew who who was you know probably in the Hunley, right? They knew Dixon was probably there. And I don't know if they expected that coin to actually be on his person or if that was just a surprise when they found it and said, oh, wow, he really does carry this with him everywhere he goes. But to have it inscribed like that and and and just to prove that that myth and have that become a fact and that legend, like he said, is just You know, kind of a dream for an archeologist and every archeologist gets that question from their friends and family when they meet them is what's the coolest thing you've ever found? Well, she's, she's got that story nailed for the rest of her life. Probably.
00:19:02
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Absolutely. And I finished the book by Brian Hicks called Sea of Darkness, which is all about the history of the Hunley and yeah Horace Lawson Hunley and Lieutenant Dixon. And they had a hunch that they might find the coin, but they weren't 100% sure. And sure enough, ah Maria Jacobson just happened to find it right underneath the forward conning tower. And it's just It was amazing how this deep-rooted legend, this South Carolina mythology or folklore actually turned out to be 100% fact. Though there are certain parts of the story that have changed over the years after they've done more research and more facts have surfaced, pun intended.
00:19:43
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and Like ah the whole substory of the coin of, oh, I forget her name, the lady who was supposedly Lieutenant Dixon's love interest, ah Queenie Bennett is her name. It took me a second to think of it. Apparently Queenie Bennett, that whole part of the story has been confirmed not to be real. It was just a coin that was given to Dixon. We don't know who gave it to him. It was just in his pocket at the time, but the whole romantic part of it with Queenie Bennett is completely false now, especially since It just came out not too long ago that Queen Bennett was only like 12 years old at the time.
00:20:18
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So that yeah, that probably isn't true. Yeah, probably not. um So what's is the Curiosity Trek series, are you still producing that? Is it still going? Is there still more seasons that you're doing? Absolutely. We just finished the first season and season two is gearing up later this fall. Great. The six artifacts of three have been confirmed, but three are sort of tentative at the moment.
00:20:43
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OK. The shooting begins later this fall. And three episodes are being packaged each for broadcast shows, 2646. The first episode, which I just finished producing, is all about ancient history in South Carolina. So that one has been packaged with the Arimathereum giant sloth skeleton down at the Charleston Museum. There is the Edisto shell rings, which is the second segment. And the third one is all about the ancient Egyptian mummified cat case made of bronze from the Ptolemaic era.
00:21:12
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And the second one that I'm about to produce is all about military history. So that one is going to feature Lieutenant Dixon's coin, the B-25C bomber currently undergoing restoration at Owensfield Airport, and the M28 Davy Crockett recoilless rifle and the M388 tactical battlefield nuke.
00:21:34
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that were used in battle, but still the fact that they made this thing is just crazy. Wow. Awesome. um And for the season two, there are three sort of a South Carolina folklore or spooky artifacts that we're going to look at. And the idea is that when a time comes for a broadcast package, it's going to be like a Halloween special for next year.
00:21:56
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And of course, we also have the 250th anniversary of the American Revolutionary War coming up in 2026. So three of the objects in season two of Curiosity Trek are going to be Revolutionary War based. And with that one, we're looking at Patrick Ferguson's grave up in King's Mountain.
00:22:15
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The Star Fort at 96 and the one I really want to see is down at Georgetown Museum. They actually have a surviving handwritten letter from the Swamp Box himself, Francis Marion to General Nathaniel Greene. Nice. yeah I cannot wait to see that one. It's going to be a long shoot day considering it's down at Georgetown, but it's going to be a fun one.
00:22:37
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Nice, nice. That's very cool. All right. Well, that sounds like a, something to look forward to season two. And for anybody who wants to see these episodes, like I said, you can find them online. We got some links in the show notes, so definitely check that out. But in the meantime, Andrew Davis, thank you for coming on the show and talking about curiosity Trek episode four and the rest of it. And good luck with everything else.
00:23:02
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ah Thank you, Chris. I'm honored. it's ah It's been a privilege and thank you for taking the time to interview me today. No problem. All right. We'll be back in a minute. All
Alessio Consorte's Film & Traditional Arts
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right, welcome back to the archaeology show. And on this segment, we are interviewing Alessio Consorte and he has his translator, Sarah, with him. Welcome to the show. Hi, I but thank you for inviting me. And I'm very happy to to participate to your show, your archaeological show. And thank you for Archaeology Festival, to have in their festival a last show.
00:23:39
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So Rachel and I watched the short film and we'll link to all of that in the show notes and the film festival itself. So people can go participate in the film festival when it's available and then see the film for themselves. But why did you choose to film the gentleman in the film and and what is his history with the community there? Okay. I speak in in in Italian right now. and sarahra just like Okay. Okay.
00:24:03
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Okay. Okay.
00:24:20
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but but la de la sharami um Okay, um I went to this place to film ah another very documentary about a museum of ceramists. And this place is in Castelli, in the province of Teramo.
00:24:45
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very very good holdings in under the Gran Sasso mountain is a very bit beautiful magical place very magic and um I meet this old man and he start to to talk about ah pottery and his job and his shop I mean and um I really fall in like in in love, I don't know how to say it. And I say, wow, okay, let me, i'd I'd like to know everything about you, about your shop.
00:25:23
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and ah like laosa game i called pito de pew e kelui comun ener gia oneav vitaitta alitadi was in ovantami What I liked most ah was ah his energy during his work at the age, at least, of 90 years old. 90. And actually, he's dead now. He's dead.
00:25:50
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Yes, and ah this summer we had a public conference and we we showed the the documentary with some cut and the the people was ah like crime.
00:26:09
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m ah And, um, you know, I, I, you know, um, you know, um, you know, um, you know, um, you know, um, you know, um, you know, um, you know, um, you know, um, you know, um, you know, um, you know, um, you know, um, you know, um, you know, um, you know, um, you know, um, you know, um, you know, um, you know, um, you know, um, you know, um, you know, um, you know, um, you know, um, you know,
00:26:32
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going yeah yeah do regard so event that me question was could I was onorated about storytelling, his work, because he still has at his age a great energy as a younger man and still working and still love his job until the end.
00:26:55
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and lo low lo louis because ah louis pramente fabrica special moto de fisieti ah dan kefi yeah tippo per bamini and po And he especially produces an instrument that is like... I don't remember. The birds. i can play the and teeth yeah The whistle. The whistle, whistle, whistle.
00:27:25
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And in the family, give me the one which was in the movie and in the plots, 2000 people. And I was like, feel the wow. I mean, thank you. Wow. And I bring that today because I want to let you hear the special sound ah because it's spottery, but it's magical. I mean, if you put water inside,
00:27:53
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you you you you can hear another type of sound. It's very, very special sound. And my friend is a musicist. Now he wants, because he wants to ah record the different tones of this special instrument.
00:28:14
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and actually okay i speak i yeah um quano sunandato ne laswa botega kejua botegarimaster and then um the milo toshenndo shi quanta difino toscha do appropriately object d d deque time boyupperke comunkalo kamata ledma When I went at his workplace, i that was made in 1850,
00:28:42
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And he still have the same object and the same instruments to work from his time, for this time. It's like a current capsule.
00:28:55
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I was going to ask, did he inherit from ah his father, a family member, or how did he get the shop? butque because ah Okay, in Italian.
00:29:06
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butka to da ah tu ta castelli euna chita and nahe then mileingnquecha and do ma but but bil meanteciono reginanque pri maretoicamenteses se prefata al sherami custopa win lu ye nato and also the artijani, but that, as a result of the artijani, as a result of the artijani, as a result of the artijani, as a result of the artijani, as a result of the artijani.
00:29:36
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Okay, he the the Castelli town was born around 50 of the 40th century and then all the town ah was all the all the people that live in this town knows how to work with pottery and then everyone knows how to fix and how to work it. And then he okay ah was born in this town and he grew up like artistic son, you know what I mean? So yeah he understand and he was inside the his DNA sort of.
00:30:21
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Okay. La cosa que me a lintarmo di questa bottega. Isuoni, le lucci, cuinde, cuando, initiato, poi, ah, isoma acchiedere a questo signore di filmare, di poterra contar un podra sovieta, pródicamente, ode chiso, di non farlo parlare.
00:30:46
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ma the segu year lo hersuelavo perkcotare irumori ambienttali irumo ridela botega What I liked most when I went to his shop is the lights, the sounds, and hide aside with him ah while filming ah to not let him speak, but only recording with the natural sound of the work.
Community Impact of Traditional Arts Film
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And and um and yes this place, because it's ah um under the mountain, it was full of bird, of I mean this page and just page a the the type of bird, see. And I decided to mix the sound and ah and the feeling and his face, his work, ah because I think that a a man 90 years old have that power, that feeling. He don't have to speak, he just have to do and yeah you have to feel just to give an image, sound ah of his heart, his soul.
00:32:08
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Well, you could, you could really see his, uh, like you said, his energy when he was taking those lumps of clay and putting them together and smacking them with that paddle and panning on the table. And yeah, it was really, uh, you can see that I couldn't believe at his age, unbelievable. And, uh, and, uh, in that moment, for example, I, I was just start in the day to feel me and I had the problem with the camera with the tripod, you know, because we start to vibrating everything in the And so I had to take the camera in the hands and watch him, you know, and was
00:32:55
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I think it's probably in the moment that a to be done in the form of a photograph that has a sense. so But it's really a the a know what's going on in the world, but it's one shot, one of all time.
00:33:34
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in this moment when everything feels like, no, I can record it. I decide to follow what tea is going on and hu try to film and record the soul of this person and keep going on what's happening and still record how without without tripod and by all bias because it was impossible with the tripod so i had to let him go and don't stop that end right so right so did anyone ah did anyone take over the shop when he passed did it it is it
00:34:18
Speaker
He's the son son. Okay, but ah I mean he was ah in Fighting with all the people in Castile fight like ah because you know a small village big fire, you know, but after the the documentary in the plaza it was 200 people it was very very magic night ah after the day we start to make peace
00:34:53
Speaker
I became again friendly and night it was very very special night in honor of Mr. Vincenzo this morning and it was ah nice nice so he has the shop now and and actually the shop and nobody can touch inside because it's ah historical now it's historical Okay. Okay. Very cool. We have 300 DRs that store and yes, it's very I mean, unusual.
00:35:33
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Okay. Well, I really enjoyed it. Uh, it was really, uh, really well done. We really liked it. I liked that there was no, no dialogue, no words. It was just watching the the energy, like you said, and it was, um, it was really cool. It was very, it was very timely that you captured it, you know, before, you know, when you did, you know, before, before he died. So yeah it was, um, and ah yeah just because every time it's an ah independent movie of money, problem but In the same time, it doesn't mean that if you have much money, you can do better. right right yeah But at the same time, I wish i wish ah to to record again him and let him speak about anything like 100 years of history of the place, you know, but after he died, because I lost one year.
00:36:27
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I didn't have ah so much money to go back and filming him again. And I was like, uh, it's not, uh, I mean, I was like, um, three stay show yeah. right sad yeah sad sad sad yeah And actually I have this, uh, um, the story, the family, the shot or the office.
00:36:52
Speaker
And now I have the whistle, uh, like, uh, uh, remember, uh, something to remember him. And I, I have here, I'd like to, to record, right? The sound you listen, this is without the water. Okay. Okay. This is without water. Okay. Now I put the water inside. Okay.
00:37:19
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and listen the modulation of the sound. Let me see. Oh, wow.
00:37:31
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Unbelievable. ah Wow. That is crazy. Yeah, that's really cool. Nice. Very cool. more theyre modulate And he was a genius to do this. Now they I think they open a museum of the wishes.
00:37:47
Speaker
because it e ah lua lachato chikat and sotipo dueno fisateima to theers large to to spiritual ah story yeah for example e kaelov vique Okay, like he left like more than 200 Swiss dolls and they I think that we they will dedicate a museum for him because each one is different and one he dedicated to Kamil and then yeah Arabic, like was saying everything like pyramid, something like that. I mean, very strange end bird like cowut and bird, birds, hundred birds in that that doesn't exist. Like just like in the fantasy, very strange man, very genius. I mean,
00:38:38
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and did Okay. Well, I'm glad we were able to get this interview in. Thank you very much for joining us all the way from, from Italy. Thank you, Sarah, for, for coming on and helping with the translations. Yes. thank you And, uh, yes. And, and congratulations on selection at the archeos film festival. And, and again, thank you for coming on and telling us all about this amazing place in this, in this man in the shop and the film. So thank you again for all of that.
00:39:06
Speaker
And I'm really honored to to do this interview and to participate in ah Archaios Film Festival. And really appreciate to Jan, Mr. Jan. Yes. All right. Thank you.
00:39:25
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00:39:49
Speaker
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