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Daily Ipswich: Episode 119 - out of the Cup!
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Rob and Richard dissect Town's heartbreaking fifth round cup exit on penalties to Nottingham Forest, while trying to take some positives from an interesting game.
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Host: Richard Popple
Guest: Rob Binns
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Transcript
FA Cup Defeat and Milan Trip
00:00:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hello everyone and welcome back to the Daily Ipswich. We are going to be previewing, or sorry, reviewing the FA Cup defeat from Monday night against Nottingham Forest. And to join me, Richard Popper, to do that is Rob Binns. Hello Rob.
00:00:25
Rob Binns
Hello mate, how you doing?
00:00:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, not bad, not bad. How are you? I think you were away at the weekend, weren't you?
00:00:31
Rob Binns
Yeah, I've just got, so at the time of recording, I got back from Milan about three hours ago, I've been a bit, little bit out the loop, so unfortunately that Italy is one of the few countries that the FA don't have a broadcast partner with, so I'm living off the highlights, but so from what ah from from what I can gather, it wasn't, say, ah unfortunate to lose on pens, but performance to take a bit of positivity out of into the weekend's games and what i gather.
00:00:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I think so. um i managed to see the whole game, obviously, because it was um was on ITV and i I wasn't away in some exotic country. unfortunately. ah so yeah, I did watch the whole game.
Game Analysis and Lineup Decisions
00:01:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think it was a bit of a game of two halves, really. We'll kind of go through it bit of detail, but I think we played pretty well in the second half.
00:01:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
The first half maybe left a bit to be desired, but obviously there were a few changes at half-time. um But yeah, we'll go through the game. Obviously, we all know the result. ah By now, unfortunately, one one after extra time, and then we went out 5-4 on penalties, so there will be no quarterfinal of the FA Cup for the first time in 30-odd years for Ipswich this season. We'll have to Have to move on to next year. it was a nice little cup run, it was a nice little distraction. I think, um you know, McKenna was asked that question several times before the game and stuff, whether, you know, it was a positive distraction or a negative one. And he was very much on the side of and positive. And I think, you know, we've spoke about this before.
00:01:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
Winning a couple of games in the cup, you know, took our tally of the season, I think, to five games that we've won. So I think they were important victories and hopefully they did. take a little bit out of it. But the lineup obviously was a bit of a cup team from us. Forrest went fairly strong, and certainly a bit stronger than we did, I think, to begin with. Were you surprised by the kind of lineup or or was that fairly consistent with what we'd seen in previous rounds?
00:02:18
Rob Binns
ah Well, it's consistent with what we've seen in the previous rounds, but I thought that we would go closer to full strength because but so we spoke in the lead-up to the game, didn't we, about how Forest were really likely to rotate given their other games.
00:02:35
Rob Binns
And that like say, almost sort of we we've sort of changed that we've got to the point now where we wanted to cut we really wanted the cup run as a bit of a distraction because we're looking less likely as the weeks go by that we're going to put pull off and ah a great escape towards the end. But so I thought we'd go a bit stronger, but he's notice as he's consistent with what we've got. But I won't really say that Forrest did rotate, but they probably went closer to their first 11 than we did. So get 120 minutes all square of the sort level they've been playing at this year, is with six of the 11 starters being from our League One team, so and one and then you've got Townsend in there, who's Davis' backup as well, that
00:03:17
Rob Binns
as one of the ones who's not from the League One team, that there's certainly like ah certainly good big positives to take out of it.
Positives from FA Cup Run
00:03:24
Rob Binns
And that's been the main positive of this cup run, really, is that people have got minutes and put in good performances that they've needed for their own confidence.
00:03:33
Rob Binns
And I think certainly there'll be a lot of people who come out of this game with their head held high. I mean, even Taylor, who missed the decisive penalty in the end, did seem to play quite well. And over the course of the game, obviously, he's going to it remember it for the wrong reasons. But hopefully that his performance in the 120 will give him a bit ah bit of confidence for whatever part he has to play in the upcoming games this season.
00:03:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, yeah, I would agree. I mean, I think there were a few few players in the game who who, you know, did have a good performance and and sort of like show that they maybe played a couple of games recently in the other, know, the cup games. So it didn't seem as if they were that rusty, you know, Townsend came in. I think he, I think that's only his seventh appearance all season.
00:04:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
I thought he was excellent again. i think he's been excellent pretty much any time he's played, to be honest. Um, And I think he actually offers quite a lot more than people maybe give him credit for. He was putting some decent balls into the box in the first half that weren't quite finding their man. And I think, you know, the the final ball did seem to let us down a bit in the first half, which there's been a bit furore around the quality of the ball in the FA Cup. I know Mikel Arteta was complaining about the League Cup ball earlier in the year and it was Pep Guardiola's turn to complain about the FA Cup ball this weekend. So maybe there's something in that. I don't know that the players were struggling to control it or whatever, but there were a few...
00:04:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
very poorly executed passes. I remember one from Luongo that was just like something I'd do, like literally clipping it, you know, three or four feet over the guy's head out of play. So some of it was, yeah, the execution not quite there.
00:05:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Maybe there are a few reasons for that. But um in terms of the defence itself, I just wanted to touch on this because there's been a lot of conversation about it. Like there's been so much chopping and changing of the defence throughout the year for suspension and form and injuries and all the rest of it.
00:05:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
And obviously, Burgess and Wolfenden came back in alongside Tuan Zaby and then Townsend coming in for Leif Davis. So three of the back four from last year, basically.
Defensive Changes and Pairings
00:05:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
and And I actually thought we looked, we didn't look very good offensively in the first half at all, but we looked pretty solid defensively.
00:05:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
Is that coincidence or is it just, you know, Forrest were maybe off their game or or those three in particular played quite well together?
00:05:45
Rob Binns
Well, but it was there's a point we've made before. We're in a variety of different... Notably with Broadhead and Davis, we've had this conversation, is that when the relationships are there already, they've been built over the last year or two, you know obviously had a lot more practice, particularly as a centre-half pair, and so important to blood in your centre-back pairing as early as possible and get them to know each other. I mean...
00:06:08
Rob Binns
Forrester are a good example of that. I mean, Malenkovich only came in this summer and look how well he's gelling with Marilla already and there's a key part to where they play. So, Wolfie and Burgess have been the first choice pairing for the last 18 months to two years.
00:06:23
Rob Binns
And the they have a they know how to play each other. They've played well together. They've got a lot of results together. Maybe not as many clean sheets as they would have liked, but that relationship is there already. So, naturally, you're going to feel a bit more confident playing there because...
00:06:38
Rob Binns
like you said, we chop and change the defence so much, we haven't had too much chance to... Greaves and O'Shea is probably the the one set up that, in terms of centre-back pairings, have had a chance to play regularly with each other and maybe build something together. But outside of that, you've got what Wolfie and Burgess as the next one. So had you played one of them and chucked somebody else in, I don't think it would have worked as well.
00:06:59
Rob Binns
And obviously, Trans-Aby there as well. as like These players have played each other. in In lots of games in the last and in recent history, which can't be said about a lot of these little triangles or link-ups we have in other areas of the pitch this year because of how heavily we rotate and, of course, the turnover we had in the summer.
00:07:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
I suppose the question is, is that, you know, and maybe it's a bit of an maybe it's a sort of hindsight kind of thing, but are the players that have come in, were they an improvement on that central defensive area particularly?
00:07:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
Were they, or have they been an improvement across the season from what we had before? Now, I know it was only half a game, but you literally had the first half, you had Wolfenden. and Burgess in there. Obviously, we were we were kind of flipping into a black back three at times as well, obviously with two-hands Aby and stuff and Johnson coming back, but more so in the second half, I think, when Forrest were really pushing.
00:07:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
In the first half, it did feel a bit more like a back four, to be honest, and it felt more solid. Now, that might be down to, yes, where they are used to playing with each other. The opposition weren't playing as well or whatever, but you're playing third in the league, away from home. All right, they're missing a couple of their players, but they were on the bench anyway and came on in the second half.
00:08:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
And the side, even though in midfield we weren't brilliant, the back line seemed to have a bit more cohesion, I guess. And when those changes came in the second half, and I've spoke about this several times this season, you've got defenders that on the face of it look like they potentially are better. They chuck their body in the way. And, you know, and I'm talking Grieves and O'Shea in particular here.
00:08:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
I guess it's just an interesting conversation around the fact of have we actually really, you know, have Have we really improved those positions with those two acquisitions in particular from what we had before?
00:08:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
And there maybe is a stronger argument that you would you would think that maybe we haven't. that That was my thinking behind it.
00:08:51
Rob Binns
Well, there's certainly an argument there, like you say, based on the this two halves of football you've seen, but in context as well, they're like you say, there was, Forrest missed a couple of key players who Gibbs White especially is the heartbeat of that team.
00:09:09
Rob Binns
And I think Van Anderson who came on as well, the people who sort of set the tone for him and then Awani had probably two years ago now, I think it was, had a very good season, but
00:09:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
For sure.
00:09:20
Rob Binns
has struggled this year one goal all season.
00:09:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:09:23
Rob Binns
It is naturally, obviously, easier to deal with him than it was Chris Wood, who came on in the second half and causes a lot more problems in there. And like say, with Danilo as well, who's and recently come back from breaking some part of his leg on the opening day the season. It's a miracle he's even back playing by February, March time, let alone that he's in there. He's not up to the pace that yeah i feel I still feel like overall we have upgraded. certainly like When you put it individual to individual, but those two, they probably should, in all honesty, have a better relationship by now than they do because Greaves has been back since well back into 2024.
00:10:04
Rob Binns
And they play pretty much every game together since centre-half of Burgess had a little run in the team. They probably should be a bit more solid. But then the fact we change system every week, ah how often do i actually play in a four together?
Midfield Dynamics and Morsi's Role
00:10:18
Rob Binns
as well. There's a lot of the, I think they say all the changes we spoke about at the back sort of feels like weekly now that we, it's a positive raise and I do think that is the main contributing factor regardless of who you play and ultimately Wolfie and Burgess is the only one you've got there that's sort of existed prior to this year pretty much.
00:10:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
No.
00:10:40
Rob Binns
So that that's why I think they look a bit more comfortable next to each other but I think, I think you've got to give it time. but then I say that, but how many who how many are still here next year if we end up going down? You you just don't know, do you?
00:10:56
Rob Binns
You can say O'Shea is one of them who's just seen bounce between relegations year on year and always end up getting a move.
00:10:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
No.
00:11:03
Rob Binns
So you never know. Yeah. yeah
00:11:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, I'm not being negative on anybody. I just thought it was an interesting kind of, because you literally had the halves where the the players swapped out.
00:11:14
Rob Binns
Yeah.
00:11:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
you could You could see quite clearly the pros and cons of each one. And I think you're right. There was the cohesion in the first half that maybe we looked a little bit less panicked. they they kind of need ah That's not to say they weren't particularly playing out from the back brilliantly because they weren't.
00:11:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
And there was tight there was a time they nearly got caught out and that happened in the second half as well. And I would say we were moving the ball as a team a bit quicker in the second half. And, you know, O'Shea was helping with that and Greaves as well.
00:11:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
But I think... All of those players, you know, have their have their pros and cons and, you know, Wolfie can be a bit lax on the ball and stuff and Greaves can be a little bit lax on the ball sometimes. His clearances can leave a bit to be desired and stuff. It was just interesting to kind of see so many of the defenders in the same game because you often don't really see, you know, defenders particularly two centre-halves coming off at half-time.
00:12:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. So was all two centre-halves coming on in the second half and stuff. So it was interesting to kind of see where we were at, particularly in that position, which has obviously caused us a few headaches, particularly in the last couple of months, I would say.
00:12:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
um But yeah, in terms of the first half itself, it was a bit of a drab affair. I think we just about had the upper hand, maybe. There weren't really many chances in the game in the in the first half at all.
00:12:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
Like I say, a couple of moments from Townsend, but we were moving the ball so slowly and Morsley will get on to him in the in the second part of the show, but I'd be interested to hear your thoughts because I think he grew into the game, but i think in the first half he really, really struggled.
00:12:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
um But anyway, that'll do it for the first part. We will be back in a second to talk about the second half.
00:13:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
And we're back for the second part of the daily ips. It's Rob, have you got got yourself some bionic yet?
00:13:28
Rob Binns
not Not myself yet, no. i look I'll look into it
00:13:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
No, no. Yeah, 25% off. um All right, so nil-nil at halftime. ah The second half, definitely an improvement. We started the second half really, really well and obviously got the goal, I think, about 10 minutes or so into the second half.
00:13:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
Score from a corner. Don't do that very often. And um big Georgie Hurst at the back back post, a free header, basically. And raucous celebrations in front of the away fans. A fantastic moment.
00:13:58
Rob Binns
Yeah, and so like I said earlier, it's been the best part about the cup run, hasn't it? That players who you sort of need some goals either for confidence or just because they haven't been getting as many minutes as they perhaps want to. And so obviously Jack Clark's been the main one in the earlier rounds, but Hurst got himself a goal against Coventry as well. He scored, he got very well taken header here that I'm not going I know we're not very good at corners, but don't know how they've let our big six foot something striker unmarked from six yards out from a corner of it.
00:14:27
Rob Binns
He's duly punished the Forest Defender, so he he's made the most of that opportunity. I'm not sure how he got such a free header in that situation, but he took it well. And like I got say, again, it's nice for him to get another goal on the tally because he's not had too many this year due to have sort of injuries and just being restricted to 10-minute cameos here and there when De Lapp's run his race. So it's really it's good for him and, like say, good for us as well because corners have been something we've pointed out a few times as well, that We seem to be very good at both ends of the pitch at making first contact. We never really seem to score or never really need to seem to make too many chances. I think O'Shea's hit the woodwork a couple of times and at the end of that, we don't tend to really, we sort of just win the header and don't cause any danger with it. So it's nice to see a bit more of a threat there. That's probably where an area where Dalap does offer it. Her, sorry, does offer a bit more than Dalap in that sort of sense. But
00:15:26
Rob Binns
Yes, it's good for him. And you could say we were good value for the lead by that point. Like you said, think the first half was pretty drab. I mean, think that's one shot on target in the first half, if I remember correctly, from when I had a look in total between the two teams. So it wasn't entertaining, but we came the blocks quickly. And I think, yeah, I don't think you could argue we didn't deserve it really by that point in the game.
00:15:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
No, I agree. I think we we came out sharp in the second half. I think you actually saw the cameras cut to McKenna a couple of times. I think it was in the first half for the most part. Maybe maybe there was a couple of times in the second half as well where he was visibly very frustrated with the way that we were moving the ball and um you know the slowness of the build-up, players holding onto the ball too long. Broadhead was guilty of doing that. Jack Clark in the second half was guilty of doing that.
00:16:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
And he was visibly getting really quite annoyed, which you don't see that often, particularly. and So there were clearly some words said at half time and we were definitely zipping it around much more, with much more intent in the in the second half. Like there were so many periods in the first half, not to particularly go back to that, but like you can tell the confidence wasn't in the team.
00:16:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
They weren't passing the ball forward. They just simply, you know, Morsi was literally taking five or six touches to get the ball out of his feet. Luongo was kind of like, you know, struggling to get up to the pace of the game because he's not played much football. And we were really, really struggling to get up the pitch because Forrest let you have the ball.
00:16:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
And Ipswich were just like, well, we don't really know what to do with the ball. and So it was really frustrating to watch. And I think he was just asking the team to be a bit brave at which which they were at the start of that second half. And actually, i think it was Morsi who had the drive that,
00:16:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
that led to the save from Cels and that's why it was the corner or that might have been after the goal, I can't remember. But that was a great moment for him where you felt his confidence come back a bit. He was so tentative on the ball for the first yeah first half of the game, basically. And that seemed to kind of like get him going a little bit.
00:17:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
How did you feel about Sam? He's kind of, he's he's dividing opinion a little bit. There's obviously so much love for him. rightly so. and and he's just about holding on to being ah being an effective player at this level, I think. But there are times where, like I've said, the passing is really limited occasionally and the kind of like ability just to get your head up and look and go forward just doesn't quite seem to be there. He's still got his combative style. He still can kind of like take the ball under pressure quite well and stuff. But it's that passing at this level, it seems quite limited.
00:17:52
Rob Binns
Yeah, look, I mean, he started the season really well, didn't he? But he has faded off to the point now where, like, Coe stays nailed on every week if he's fit.
00:18:03
Rob Binns
We've sort of gone to a point now where you don't really know which way to go of Morsi and Phillips next to him. If anything, you probably are leaning a bit more towards Phillips at this point in the season. that He has been turned off a bit, but I do think his performance on Monday night deserves a lot of credit because...
00:18:21
Rob Binns
He battled, inre a he wasn't as good as he was in the second half or or an extra time in the first half. He did maybe take a little while to get into the game, but um ultimately he had a about 120 minutes.
00:18:33
Rob Binns
He battled incredibly well, which is what we know, what we've known him for.
00:18:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mm-hmm.
00:18:37
Rob Binns
And like say, the passing maybe isn't quite, isn't quite what it could be at this level at a time. Like say, probably one of the main offenders when was looking at McKenna's frustration, because Forrest were there for the takings a bit much, but there was an opportunity there because they played their usual way, but with sort of three or four changes to that back six, if you like, and counting the two defensive midfielders in front, that there was sort of, there was a sort of they were bit disjointed at times and there was a chance to get there. And Morsi, his role was sort of, he was meant to be one of the ones who can sort of spring us forward and make the most of that, which he wasn't doing in the first half, but,
00:19:17
Rob Binns
The fight he showed and sort of the all-round level he put in, like say, he saw his confidence grow, which again, keep going back to it, has been the the biggest positive out of our FA Cup games this year is the confidence is given to players who need it.
00:19:31
Rob Binns
And so he doesn't get he doesn't often get 120 minutes anymore. he's certainly i say obviously is He's not old, but he's getting older. And as someone who's never really been playing...
00:19:43
Rob Binns
He doesn't play at pace as his main role of the game. Obviously, he he's moved up to a division that plays a bit plays a lot quicker. So he's obviously getting older. thought he dealt with that very well. And like I say, he's got 120 minutes in the legs there that I think he needed as well.
00:19:58
Rob Binns
If you look at some of the players so there' some player who did end up coming off in the game, that he was sort of restricted. then that You knew he wasn't really going to. you knew He knew was going to see it out. He never felt in danger of like, oh, we better take him off because he's tiring here. Because there have been games where have thought that and whether he whether he has come off or not.
00:20:17
Rob Binns
It was performance he needed, I think. But it's now making sure it's not isolated and he carries it into the league games he plays a part in. Because that's been... So we speak about the positives of the cup runs. that There haven't been too many chances where people... will have Too many opportunities where people have carried that into league games, whether that's because...
00:20:36
Rob Binns
They don't play as many minutes or they just find it more difficult. But if he can kick on and match that sort of level of performance in the second half onwards, then he'll finish the season strong. And we need him to because midfield is a big problem area at the moment.
00:20:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Yeah. And going into the summer, whatever happens in the At the end of the season, it's going to be a big overhaul in that part of the pitch for a switch, whatever happens. um All right.
Set Piece Defending Concerns
00:21:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, yeah, 10 minutes later or so, Forrest get their equaliser.
00:21:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah Not a great look from us. Again, struggling to deal with corners and crosses. I think it was from a corner initially. We cleared it. Then it came back out to another cross into the box, which was a decent cross from a Langer. He came back onto his left foot, stuck it into the middle of middle of the box. And Ryan Yates wanted it more than anyone else, was nicely positioned to... to Obviously nodded past Alex Palmer, who actually, again, had another good game.
00:21:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
Looks really confident on the ball with the ball at his feet. There were couple of dodgy passes from him and a couple of dodgy passes given to him. But generally speaking, he was um he was pretty impressive, I thought, and looks to be a really, really good signing, not just for this year, but but beyond.
00:21:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
But yeah, the the goal was disappointing and we have seen that recently. I mean, I think you look at Forest, even though the players they brought on in the second half were the likes of Morgan Gibbs-White and obviously you've got Hudson-Odoi and Alanga and the rest of it, who aren't the biggest.
00:21:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
But other than that, they're quite a big physical team. Obviously, Chris Wood coming on as well. Ipswich really don't look a big physical team. You've got Greaves, you've got O'Shea, Tuanzebe, decent in the air and stuff. But aside from that, the midfield's small, the full-backs are small, the forward players are all small apart from the one striker.
00:22:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's something it feels to me that we need to change about the squad makeup because it does, you know, we obviously had the Man U game where we conceded three goals from corners, which just can't happen. That's just it really, really can't happen.
00:22:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
And then again, we're conceding from crosses and corners and we look nervous because even in the first half, there were a couple of times where it was like, you know, it could happen at any moment. And and obviously we got away with it. Is that a bit of a concern for you?
00:22:39
Rob Binns
Yeah, massively. that it' It's really creeped up out of nowhere as well, hasn't it? it's It's not been and discussion all year, has it, about defending set pieces and crosses into the box.
00:22:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
No.
00:22:50
Rob Binns
It's been... Crossers, especially, have been one of the biggest strengths of us defensively this year. You think of the games where we've got positive results, particularly with the five-back setup. We've headed away countless crosses over the course of the games.
00:23:02
Rob Binns
You think that Villa Park comes to mind, the Fulham game as well. We just dealt with everything in the air that's come in that suddenly... two or three weeks, we now seem to be really struggling with what was, say, formally was one of our biggest strengths is now becoming a big weakness, which is a pretty big flip the yeah in the wrong direction at crucial time of the year, really. And it's becoming a big concern now because overall, mean, Forrest had 20-odd shots, but how many of them were clear-cut opportunities, really? So to be done by a ball in the box, which, like say, credit to Alanga, it was a great ball in, but it was defendable. It wasn't like it was
00:23:40
Rob Binns
one of those ones that's stuck in there that you're you' too scared to go for it because you're going to put it in your own net if you get the wrong contact. It was defendable. Like you said, Yeats just wanted it more. It's a fairly poor goal we can see considering how well the context of the rest of the game, how we defended. There's a pretty poor way to go. But I'm sure Forrest is saying the same thing about the goal we scored as well. But in our case, that an area that has become a strength to suddenly conceding four goals from that in a week in in that area suddenly become is a really big cause for concern especially when I say when you talk about the issue of the height and you look at where we're going this weekend and say Selhurst Park for how many big men do Palace have I mean they're going to be one down now with Mateta being injured after that horror challenge on um Saturday that be lunchtime but
00:24:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mm-hmm.
00:24:33
Rob Binns
You think of the the men they've got from the back, their midfields got people in it like Jefferson Lerma about six foot three causes problems from corners. They've got height around the pitch there that and they're not bad from set pieces, Palace. they' got We talk about the quality of the balls in, being part of the problem with obviously Bruno Fernandes in the United game and Lange was a great cross from him.
00:24:54
Rob Binns
You're now going to a team that's got people like Eze who can cause that problem from set pieces as well. So it's a big concern and I'm hoping that it's just a momentary blip when we go back to being quite good at defending them Because as said earlier, we're normally quite good at getting first contact. But that seems to be where the first problem is now, is that we're starting to not win the first ball, which then makes it more difficult to deal with any second ball that comes in.
00:25:18
Rob Binns
But I'm hoping we sort we turn it around.
00:25:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:25:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Fingers crossed. Some work on the training ground. and All right. ah Let's have another quick break and then we'll be back to talk about the penalty shootout.
00:25:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
And welcome back to the final part of today's
Penalty Shootout Reflections
00:26:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
show. Rob, I think the commentator said, and maybe I've got this wrong and probably we should have done our research and know this anyway, but um he said that Ipswich Town had never been in a penalty shootout in the FA Cup or never won a penalty shootout in the FA Cup. I don't know.
00:26:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
Is that right?
00:26:17
Rob Binns
or You're probably asking the wrong person there. In my memory...
00:26:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean, look, we don't we don't we don't progress we don't progress in the FA Cup very much, clearly, based on the fact that that was the first time we're in the fifth round for 20 years and we haven't been in the quarterfinal for over 30 years.
00:26:25
Rob Binns
No.
00:26:29
Rob Binns
So...
00:26:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
But, yeah.
00:26:32
Rob Binns
Yeah, but you've got a factor in as well is that normally, any games that I don't draw go to a replay, don't they? So to go to pens in the FA Cup, you'd have to have played 180 minutes.
00:26:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, exactly.
00:26:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's quite rare, yeah.
00:26:42
Rob Binns
and
00:26:43
Rob Binns
draw and draw them both. So it's a fairly rare thing in the FA Cup, which has become a lot more common this year because obviously scrapped the replays. But so I do ah do know about penalties sat the other way around though, because I'd say, unfortunately, I was sort celebrating this going into the tie, thinking we were going to win, but it turned out to be a bad thing that I was with my mate while I was away, who was a Forrest fan.
00:26:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
what
00:27:04
Rob Binns
And he told me when full time was over, he was like, right, I'm confident now because... Forrest apparently have been in third, including last night now, 13 penalty shootouts in the history of the club and won 12 of them.
00:27:17
Rob Binns
the prefer Apparently they'd never lost one.
00:27:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
They really
00:27:19
Rob Binns
Yeah, they apparently they'd never lost one in the history of the club till Newcastle knocked them out in the third round of the Carabao this season. So he was very confident when it went to penalties and I suddenly lost all my confidence.
00:27:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, wow, that's that's impressive. Well, obviously, we lost a penalty shootout earlier in the season, didn't we?
00:27:36
Rob Binns
Yeah.
00:27:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
and So, yeah, with and I can't remember, to be perfectly honest, when the last time Town had a penalty shootout before that. It's got to be a few years. Well, maybe it isn't a few years ago, but it would have been ah you know an August in the League Cup sometime. I don't know. God knows when.
00:27:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
Anyway, let's get back to the to the one we had on Monday.
00:27:52
Rob Binns
Yeah.
00:27:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
um Nine cracking penalties and one, sadly, not great penalty, but I mean, first things first, I think san ah Nuno said it afterwards as well, that it wasn't easy for the town players to to be taking it in front of the...
00:28:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
in front of the city ground end there because it was raucous, you know, obviously they they tossed up for the for the coin or whatever beforehand. Morsi would definitely have wanted to have gone the other way because that's where the town fans were and that obviously would have given us a bit more bit more hope potentially.
00:28:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
and So I think actually the four players who stepped up and even Taylor, you know, you've got to step up for these things and give them credit for stepping up, ah did a fantastic job. And there were four great penalties. And just to go back to Morsi quickly,
00:28:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
Love the fact that he went first. Loved his penalty. It was brilliant. And he his reaction showed, i think it showed a guy who's who has had a tough season, and certainly has had a tough few months and he's obviously carrying the club in the sense of being being the captain and stuff and obviously feels that responsibility. So you could see a bit of that, I think, in his reaction of, of you know, geeing up to the players and obviously the fans behind him and stuff. So that was a nice moment, I think, for him.
00:29:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
Sadly for us, though, the Forest pens were pretty strong. And then Taylor, who didn't look confident, particularly when he stepped up, um yeah, didn't didn't hit a great one there. Any thoughts on the penalty shoot? I mean, you know, they're they're a bit of a crap shoot, aren't they, at the end of the day?
00:29:19
Rob Binns
Well, yeah, look, say sometimes you can um you almost feel they're lost on the toss with penalty shootouts, and you think the end they were taken out and the fact Forrest go first, because there's all the numbers to back up, that you want to go first if you can, really. the You sort of, you were progressively losing more and more confidence as it went on, really, that there was a lot, hey again, confidence seems to be the key word of the episode today, but there was just, they lost.
00:29:45
Rob Binns
whether that's to do with how they're just their season generally compared to ours, but they looked a lot more confident when they're like every player who stepped up, walked up and they knew they were going to like Taylor was the first player.
00:29:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:29:56
Rob Binns
He sort of saw a little bit of doubt in their mind as they were walking up to the ball and he was the one who ended up missing. But now I'm assuming the reason he was doubting himself maybe is because he, he did miss in that Wimbledon shootout as well.
00:30:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:30:10
Rob Binns
So he has sort of, I mean, credit to him for stepping up again, because obviously he feels a point to prove because he missed in that shootout. But ultimately, he has now, he has stepped up twice this season and missed both times.
00:30:21
Rob Binns
So I don't know if he, if his name's going to be in the five next time we're in a shootout, because I'd say ultimately it's a bit, it's a bit of a lottery, isn't it? But he clearly has some sort of, whether it's a lack of confidence or he has an obvious tell that keepers can read for where he's going, but.
00:30:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:30:39
Rob Binns
It wasn't a very good penalty and it was it was a clear outlier in both sort of how the player walked, how confidently the player walked up and the quality of penalty itself. There was a clear outlier in those 10 and you weren't surprised when his was the one that was missed that unfortunately knocked us out.
00:30:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah Yeah, I mean, i suppose you could maybe question the idea that hit of him going fifth, because obviously that is such a pivotal penalty. It's basically sudden death if you know you're you're in that stage already.
00:31:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
But you know on the flip side, he could have been you you know shooting to win town the tie. And obviously there's redemption for missing one earlier and and it gives him that moment or whatever. Yeah. As you say, it's always a bit of a lottery.
00:31:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
I would go back to one of our penalty takers. And this was a discussion we had, i think with Tom maybe as well, maybe James, can't remember, ah when he scored against Fulham. And that's the fact that Liam De Lappe does not look like a penalty taker for me.
00:31:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
And the way he struck that penalty, he kind of scuffed it into the corner. And and I love the way he took it because he literally didn't think about it. he was just like whack and it went straight in the corner, but he kind of scuffed it slightly.
00:31:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
um but he just does it with such confidence. It's kind of it's very admirable. and Yeah, i mean, you know, I'm sure he won't be at Ipswich next year, but Liam Dillap's going to have a fascinating career and he's just he's kind of box office to watch because he's so fearless.
00:31:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
and Even when he came on in extra time, there were a couple of moments where the crowd just gets lifted by him kind of like tearing away and stuff. And yeah, his clash with Murillo was just like these two sort of like massive giants going at each other and sort of bouncing off each other.
00:32:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
But yeah, sad moment. um Obviously, it would have been nice to win the shootout, but it wasn't to be.
Future Matches and Strategies
00:32:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
Any further thoughts on the game? i know we've talked about sort of like confidence and maybe what the players can take from it. you know We obviously do face Forest in a couple of weeks in the league, which is obviously going to be a massive game at home.
00:32:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's twice we've gone to the city ground you know against the third best team in the league this season. And you know played very well, to be perfectly honest, and and kept them pretty honest for the whole game and not given much away in terms of clear-cut chances. So that will hopefully give us confidence specifically for that match-up in a couple of weeks' time.
00:32:47
Rob Binns
Yeah, definitely. I mean, like you say, two very close games and penalties have been there the the problem in both of them. that but Obviously, we know it's not going to go to a penalty shootout in the league game, so just don't gift them a penalty like we did last time.
00:33:01
Rob Binns
And maybe say the the general performance is we've got a blueprint there that plays well and causes Forest problems, but what we need to do is not give a silly goal away. The penalty was soft last time round, but ultimately it was a foul.
00:33:14
Rob Binns
And it's another, when we talk about silly goals we've given away to cost points, that diving in like that in the box, giving a penalty away and losing 1-0, because that is what it will be like at Forest, because that if we're brilliant brutally honest with Forest are not a good watch, but they get results.
00:33:32
Rob Binns
It's the same with, I mean, was going to say it's the same Arsenal, where they've struggled with results. Arsenal, before they had lost 90% of their attacking players. Two years ago, Arsenal were 10 times the watch they are now. They used to score four or five most weeks.
00:33:47
Rob Binns
They'd flying a left tackle of football. But they didn't win the league doing that. They fell apart at the end. So they've slowly become more boring, as you like. But they get more results. i mean, that's what Forrest have done this year.
00:33:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
pragmatic maybe
00:33:58
Rob Binns
Like, yeah, exactly. I mean, I guarantee if he was to split every single Forrest game this year, you put more you'd have more in the sort of dull category than you would the cracker. but look where they're on the table. it It works for them.
00:34:11
Rob Binns
Their biggest strengths are on the counter-attack and you can't really counter-attack if you're playing really high intensity football, going on the front foot all the time. ah that they They play the system, the work.
00:34:23
Rob Binns
System is the key word for them. But we seem be one of the few teams who sort of disrupt that a little bit and they they don't seem to hit their flow against us there's like they do against a lot of other teams in the league. So maybe there is potential...
00:34:37
Rob Binns
there for a result but ultimately it's going to be a completely different game because we both made six or seven changes and what our best 11 would be, isn't we? So, you can't, as as you can take bits to look into it but I think the fact now there's two, it's more the fact there's twice this season we've gone there and
League Trends and Upcoming Crossover
00:34:54
Rob Binns
given them a good game that normally they're not giving, give you home confidence for a home game but what we're like at home, they'll probably end up coming and winning comfortably now because we're just we're a better away side than we are a home side but focus on Palace before I think more about that game.
00:35:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, exactly. that's That's for a couple of weeks' time. But it's interesting what you say about kind of like the style in terms of, you know, they them being watchable or not. And there is a bit of a shift going on, I think, across the league around this kind of idea of, you know, obviously Pep Guardiola very much introduced this sort of like constant possession football and winning the ball really high up the pitch and retaining possession, you know, having these insane stats, you know, three-quarter possession games and all this kind of stuff.
00:35:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
And the top teams obviously kind of like follow that brute blueprint for, you know, for a while, Arsenal, as you say, being one of them and stuff. And I think that there is a shift. You can definitely see it. You think of kind of like Bournemouth, the way that Villa play, the way that Newcastle play.
00:35:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
Forrester may be a bit more of an extreme versions of those. And they don't quite have the players in midfield to sort of maintain that possession as much. And maybe that's the next evolution for them to be able to kind of like consistently compete at the top of the league. But...
00:36:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think there's definitely a bit of a shift and sides who just keep the ball and kind of just do the horseshoeing across the pitch back and forth. Teams have kind of like worked that out a little bit and and the tra and the traps that they can spring with with pace up front and stuff. You look at Liverpool.
00:36:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
Liverpool aren't the best watch in the world, to be perfectly honest, particularly at home. But, you know, they've got match winners in in wide areas and stuff up front. And obviously Forrest have that too and they've, you know, it's
00:36:27
Rob Binns
Well, so that was that was exactly the example I was going to say there, that you look at the game and Liverpool went to Man City the other week, you could argue that sort was but maybe felt like a bit of a passing of the torch game.
00:36:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:36:37
Rob Binns
Liverpool had 37% possession in that game.
00:36:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:36:40
Rob Binns
City he still played their normal football. and what Was there any point in that game that you felt City were going to score? Probably not. So that that ah maybe in the sense of the styles as well as maybe you think with the title, or that that maybe did feel like a passing of the torch now because, like I said, there's a lot more teams who are strong on the counter now than there is teams who like to sit and hold the ball all game.
00:37:02
Rob Binns
So there has been a shift there, but we're sort of a weird mix of both that I think some teams, some teams that works perfectly for them and they'll batter us and and they'll think, we don't know, we can't make our mind up and they get a result. But some teams it frustrates them and Forrest seemed to be a team it frustrates because, you know they've played...
00:37:21
Rob Binns
210 minutes against us, scored a couple of goals. One was a penalty and one was a set well one was from a set piece effectively on the second ball that they hadn't scored an open play goal against us in all those minutes. and You think how many goals we've let in this year.
00:37:36
Rob Binns
There's something about us that frustrates them. So maybe you could in a couple of weeks time look at that game. But like I say, you look at Palace first and Palace without the man in form up front, maybe presents more of an opportunity there than it would have done with him playing.
00:37:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, fingers crossed. And we will be getting into that ah during the rest of the week. Tomorrow we've got a crossover with Crystal Palace, and so please tune in for that. And then we will be back on Friday for our regular preview of the weekend game. But from myself and Rob, thank you very much for listening and we will see you next time.