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WAWGTDWATF - The Future of Health Tech
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Bill Quinn, Futurist at TCS, discusses his career journey and insights into the future of health and wellness. He explains what it means to be a futurist, emphasizing the importance of identifying and interpreting signals across various domains—geopolitics, technology, economics, and more—to anticipate emerging trends and scenarios. Bill also shares insights into leveraging tools like generative AI and digital twin technology to explore future possibilities, and highlights a groundbreaking project that used a digital twin of a marathon runner's heart to optimize training. Looking ahead, Bill envisions a future where AI drives a second scientific revolution, enabling breakthroughs in personalized medicine, precision healthcare, and more. While acknowledging challenges like equitable access and the societal impacts of longer lifespans, he remains optimistic about humanity's resilience and adaptability in navigating these changes.
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Introduction and Role of a Futurist
00:00:22
Speaker
Today, our guest is Bill Quinn, a futurist at TCS. Bill, thanks so much for being here. Hey, thanks for having me. Amazing. So to start off, can you introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about your background?
00:00:37
Speaker
Sure. So I'm a futurist at TCS. And so the first question I usually get asked then is, you know, what the heck is a futurist? And so we really spend our time on our team, the future business team, kind of looking out towards the horizon at everything that's going on around us. We look across industries and importantly, we also look across domains because a lot of people think futurists and they think, Oh, you're looking at, you know, just science and technology.
00:01:04
Speaker
And that's certainly an important part of it, but we also look at you know geopolitical factors, economic factors, societal and demographic changes that are going on, um you know business factors that are going on, and try and understand and gather signals that help us understand kind of you know where our emerging future is headed.
Convergence of Factors Shaping the Future
00:01:25
Speaker
as all of these things kind of start to converge on one another. um and And that's really the key, is that you know there's no one technology, there's no one thing that's happening that's creating this really fast moving and emerging future. It's the convergence of all of those things sort of you know happening in in real time.
00:01:44
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that is creating you know creating our future and so we think it's important to look at all of those and really understand them and how they go into this kind of stew that is ah you know this transformative period that we find ourselves in.
Career Journey to TCS
00:01:58
Speaker
That's awesome. um When we spoke earlier, we talked a little bit about health, wellness, and so I want to get a bit of an an idea from you about what really sparked your interest in health, wellness, and in future trends.
00:02:18
Speaker
Yeah. So, um, so in terms of what, what really sparked my interest in future trends, it's really been a part of my career arc, you know, from, from almost the very beginning. Um, you know, I graduated from college, started working in, uh, you know, PR and marketing agencies early on, but then pretty quickly jumped over to the wild and crazy world of venture back startups, um, technology startups.
00:02:44
Speaker
and made my way into product management and product marketing. And so that really kind of um got me on this journey of sort of looking out ahead of where the market is, right? And and you know creating markets and building products that that don't yet exist and sort of you know anticipating where they're going. um So I did that for 15 or 16 years and then you know sort of went to the very other end of the spectrum joined TCS um about 12 years ago, coming up on 13 years ago. um and and When I say the other end of the spectrum, TCS is a you know very large you know global organization. We have over 600,000 employees um you know focused mostly on global 2,000 companies, so you know very big established companies.
00:03:32
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and so um When I got there, I honestly thought, I'll spend a couple of years in big business and then I'll you know kind of make my jump back into and into venture-backed startups. But when I got there, what I learned was that you know it's it there's a lot of really fun and exciting things going on in a lot of these big companies.
Transition to Futurist Title at TCS
00:03:51
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and I started out you know back then, sort of you know social and mobile was the conversation.
00:03:57
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And so I was working a lot on that, um but always with an eye towards the future. And then worked in our our Salesforce practice, ah building innovation prototypes to help people think of you know new ways that they could leverage the Salesforce platform in a very forward looking way. And then from there jumped to our our future of business team and and became a futurist. And so my whole career has really been um With an eye towards the future and sort of looking at what's going on, you know, you know, beyond where we are today and thinking about, you know, new businesses, new ah products, new, you know, business models, all of those things going on and becoming a futurist really allowed me to.
00:04:42
Speaker
widen that aperture map massively, right? Because now I look across industries, as I mentioned, I look across domains. And so and it's really given me a ah fun and unique perspective ah to spend my time, again, really looking out towards the horizon. And so is there a specific time when you started to identify as a futurist or did you always call yourself a futurist?
00:05:06
Speaker
So I really started calling myself a futurist um when I joined the Future of Business team. It's it's ah one of those titles that you kind of feel a little bit weird sometimes using because everybody's like, you know what is that? Is that even a real job? you know um I joke with my kids all the time. you know They think I work for the CIA because they're like, a futurist isn't a real job. you know you must be ah When you're flying off to these far flung places all over the world, you must be doing some nefarious stuff. but Um, so it creates fun conversations, but it was really when I joined the future of business team and really started focusing, you know, just on having these conversations about where the future is headed, having those conversations with our, uh, with our clients, um, that I really kind of took on that, that official, if you will, uh, role and title as a futurist.
00:05:56
Speaker
It's always really interesting and exciting to hear a different guests' trajectory and path to becoming a futurist. Some people take an academic path. Others take um more of ah of a personal discovery path.
Concept of Rehearsing the Future
00:06:10
Speaker
Others, you know, it's driven by their their role and what they do for for work, similar to yourself. And so um as somebody who has recently forayed into this the space into this area. I've asked before, you know, how does my become a futurist? And I always hear there isn't actually any one specific credential or accreditation that you have to have to become a futurist or to be a futurist. It's really open-ended and I think that that's
00:06:40
Speaker
sort of exciting um and and really cool. You spoke about signals and so I want to ask you about some of the tools that you use in your practice. Things like signals, how you you know forecast what's going to happen or for lack of a better term some people feel You know drawn to this this word or not how you make predictions about what is you know coming what's going to be interesting what businesses should focus on like how do you. How do you do futures work yeah so um first of all let me let me address that notion of making predictions um so the way that we like to frame it is.
00:07:21
Speaker
that we don't make predictions um because predicting the future is kind of kind of feels like a fool's errand, right? you're You're almost always going to be wrong um because things are moving too too fast. They're too complex to really be able to accurately predict what's going to happen. And so what we really encourage people and companies to do is what we call rehearse the future, which is identify based on those signals that you're taking in um potential future scenarios and you're going to identify multiples of them and then sort of walk that backwards and think about how is that going to affect you in your career? How is that going to affect your business?
00:08:01
Speaker
and and Based on you know those signals and those identified potential future scenarios, um you know what are you going to do in your innovation journey um to capitalize on those ah opportunities or to avoid disruption? um so That's that's kind of the way that we think about it. In terms of how we gather signals,
00:08:22
Speaker
i think it's um you know It's looking very broadly, again, it's it's resisting that temptation to kind of get myopically focused on what's going on at any given moment, any one single technology. um It's looking very broadly across you know across time. And also importantly, we like to leverage history as sort of an instructive guide for for where the future might be headed. you know um There's this great quote from Winston Churchill, the further backwards you look, the further forwards you can see.
00:08:54
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and um and And I really like that quote and I think it's ah it's really useful to be able to leverage that historical perspective and look at the ways that that history does tend to repeat itself on some level. So that's that's one thing that we do. um And in terms of the signals, you know it's it's a lot of reading. These days it's a lot of having conversations with generative AI models, chat GPT, Claude, you know the rest of them. To to really, um not have it tell us what we should be thinking or what we should be looking at, but to have conversations about, you know, again, where the future might be headed, to to use it as a
00:09:33
Speaker
creative idea machine, for lack of a better phrase, ah to really start thinking through some of these these issues and the implications um and also to help us, you know, um look more broadly than we might be be looking, you know, just ah sort of, you know, in our ah in irreland little world that we
AI in Ideation and Creativity
00:09:52
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kind of live in, right? And so um I think it's it's really about, you know, challenging your thinking,
00:09:59
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um being endlessly curious um and and just always sort of having your eyes up towards the horizon to to try and you know find new ways to gather those signals um and and understand how that can really play into ah into this world of being a futurist. I love that you brought up using journey of AI to kind of help you know explore and to assist in some of your work. You also mentioned that part of your the way that you approach your work is to take a very broad lens at you know what's going on and and making sure that you're not focusing in specifically on on on one thing. um and I'd imagine that so that you don't miss you know other things if you're you know just focusing on one. and so With generative AI really being in quite a hype cycle and or you know
00:10:52
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for lack of a better term, sucking all the air out of the room. How do you balance that with needing to stay broad, needing to stay kind of agnostic in terms of where your focus is? How do you have conversations without AI somehow creeping into every single one of them?
00:11:10
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I will say that that with our clients, AI is a poor part of every discussion, right? Because it's unlike any other technology that we've seen for for quite a while. And, you know, of course you're you're exactly right. It's sort of at the top of the hype cycle right now. But having said that, you know, I do think that it's something that's that's real. It's going to be wildly transformative. You know, I believe that it is going to become a general purpose technology.
00:11:38
Speaker
you know like ah you know like the internet like electricity like the you know the internal combustion engine right when we think about new inventions. That get used in entirely new ways that and then just sort of become a general purpose technology in a way that we don't even think about them anymore right you walk into a room and you flip a light on you don't think about all of the things that go into making that happen.
00:12:01
Speaker
It just sort of happens and I think that's how AI is going to be as well. It's it's just going to become this ambient thing that's around us all the time and we don't even even realize it. But in terms of, you know, back to your question, how do you sort of avoid getting sucked into the the AI vo vortex. I think a lot of it is, again, being being willing to kind of challenge your your preconceived notions, but then also going into it with open eyes about what its you know capabilities are and what its limitations are, right? So you think about things like
00:12:32
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hallucinations I use it more for things like ideation and creativity as opposed to, you know, give me a bunch of facts and figures. And part of that is just the nature of my job, but also a lot of it is that, you know, I think that's where it's most powerful right now is that kind of copilot that can sit with you and have a dialogue um when maybe you don't have the opportunity to have a dialogue with and another person or a group of people.
00:12:57
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that are really smart and have the ability to to go in a lot of different areas. It becomes that that partner to have those conversations and really think through ah a lot of those issues. And it also allows me to, because I can't just stay broad all the time, right? There are there are moments where you sort of need to be broadly shallow, if you will, but then also have the ability to go really deep. So if I go talk to a client in the healthcare field, for example, I need to be able to have a fairly deep conversation around that particular area.
00:13:25
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or manufacturing or supply chain or whatever that you know that area might be and it allows me to you know AI kind of gives me a force multiplier if you will to be able to get smart in a certain area much more quickly than I might be able to just grinding through a bunch of you know research and doing a lot of googling and that kind of thing.
Exploring Digital Twins
00:13:43
Speaker
In addition to AI, what about technologies like digital twin technology. How have you seen this used to support futures work or futures thinking?
00:13:56
Speaker
Yeah, so digital twins is is ah a really interesting one. So for those listeners who may not know what a digital twin is, ah the way I like to think of a digital twin is it's a digital representation of a person, place, or thing, right? So it could be a digital twin of a heart, and I'll get back to that in just a minute, in a human being. It could be a digital twin of, you know, a manufacturing line or an agricultural field.
00:14:23
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Or it could be something like you know a place, like a smart city, and being able to understand and and monitor you know traffic flows and energy usage and water consumption and water quality you know in a smart city environment. So that's kind of the first piece of it is to be able to create that digital representation.
00:14:41
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But then as a starts to come into the picture be able to run simulations around those things and run not just you know tens or hundreds but millions of simulations to really understand how you could optimize for example that agricultural field so that you can.
00:14:59
Speaker
you know in a more sustainable way, maximize the yield out of that out of that field. So for example, rather than broadcasting water over the entire field, you know some areas might need it, some might not, some you know because of topography, soil conditions, et cetera, some parts of it might need more herbicides, pesticides, water, et cetera. You can be much more prescriptive about that and much more ah sort of specific about that, precise is is the word I was looking for.
00:15:24
Speaker
And so it allows you to really optimize the use of, you know, whatever that thing is, you know, again, maybe an agricultural field. In the world of, you know, sort of healthcare, digital twin technology is fairly new, but it's moving very fast and it's it's really interesting. So I'll give you an example. TCS, the company that I work with, we're we're very involved in marathons. um We're the title sponsor of the TCS marathon.
00:15:48
Speaker
the London Marathon, a number of other marathons around the world, Chicago, we're involved with, Boston, et cetera. And so, you know, health and wellness, and and the reason that we use marathons is it's a good It's a good way for us to kind of showcase some of these technologies that we're working on. And and health and wellness is obviously ah a big and important one. And so we developed a digital twin, came up with the concept to develop a digital twin of the heart. And we worked with a woman named Des Linden. She's a two time Olympian, Boston marathon champion. She's also an aging athlete. So she's in her forties now. And so she needs to be very smart about how she trains, right? To be able to maximize
00:16:29
Speaker
the time that she spends out there running. And so we developed a digital twin of her heart so that we could then run simulations. and look at how you know different training programs and so on ah will benefit her and and help her really optimize that training program that she has. And so that's a really good example of how you know sort of these future technologies are going to become you know very real for ah you know for everyday people. So you know sort of backing that you know elite athlete down to kind of the normal person.
00:17:00
Speaker
I actually came up with the idea of creating a digital twin for myself. So I was thinking about, you know, Dez, Linden and the digital heart and how cool that was, but it's pretty advanced technology that requires, you know, really smart people, you know, doctors and and engineers and, you know, MRIs to be able to get a, a, a scan of her heart and so on. I came up with the idea of could the average person who, you know, has never run a marathon, could they cobble together commercially available technology?
00:17:30
Speaker
to create a digital twin of themselves. And so i kind of that was my thesis and I went out to to go prove that or or at least try it. And you know I got a watch that allows me to track my performance on runs. um I got a rest and recovery monitor that that helped monitor you know my sleep and how well I was recovering. I got a glucose monitor to understand how my diet really impact impacted my performance and in running. And I sort of merged all of that that technology together.
00:17:59
Speaker
And again, the idea was to just use running as a showcase to to see you know where the technology was today and where it might be headed. So it was a really fun project. I started that last summer, actually not this past summer, but summer of 2023. I used all of that technology, used generative AI to kind of feed that data into chat GPT to kind of you know help me understand what all the data is um and train for and ran my my first marathon, the New York marathon new york City Marathon in um November of last year. And I've since run two other marathons. I ran London in the spring and then just finished Chicago. So um wow now you marathoner and I'm and I'm a digital twin advocate. So it's ah it's been a lot of fun. That's incredible. And that is such a novel use
Personal Use of Digital Twins
00:18:47
Speaker
case. um Like you said, bringing it from
00:18:50
Speaker
somebody who is a professional athlete and then making it accessible to kind of your everyday person. That seems so exciting. This makes me think of the first half of your career working in product and and in strategy and in tech. It seems very reminiscent of that time.
00:19:08
Speaker
um for you to go out and kind of create this project. And I wonder if you have any ideas of ah bringing it to market for other people to to you know have the same experience and joy that that you did.
00:19:20
Speaker
Yeah, no, it's a great point that I frankly hadn't thought of until you just mentioned it. But really what I did was create a minimal viable product right for myself by cobbling all of these technologies together. And um I think that the answer is absolutely yes, right in terms of the the question, can this benefit society? and And that's really what I wanted to do with it. right It's great that We have this technology available to elite athletes who have big sponsors and big budgets and all of those types of things. And that's great, but where does that then help the, the you know, the average person and and society at large? And that's really where I think the promise of digital twin technology lies is in its ability to help society at large. So if you can imagine that, you know, over time, each person will have a digital twin, not just of their heart, but of their entire body.
00:20:11
Speaker
And if you can do that, you can start to have very real conversations with your doctor about, you know, specific things. So they could say, rather than, you know, get off the couch and stop eating a bag of potato chips every day, um you know, you can start to have very real conversations about Let's take your digital twin and fast forward what your health and wellness is going to look like in 5, 10, 15, 20 years if you continue down the path that you're on. And now let's do that same thing by looking at making you know sometimes big changes, but sometimes just little changes.
00:20:47
Speaker
um in in your sort of everyday activities, your everyday diet, those types of things, and identify how just small changes can make a really big impact if you look down multiple years down the road. So I think that's one really big area.
00:21:03
Speaker
Another one is to be able to spot problems well before they become a big issue. So if you think about things like heart disease, diabetes, cancer, if you can catch those things really early on, they're a pretty small and manageable thing to deal with. It's when they it's when they go unnoticed for a very long period of time.
00:21:21
Speaker
that it becomes a big problem. And so if you could have a digital twin that's monitoring you 24 hours a day, seven days a week, it allows you to really get ahead of of those problems and and be very proactive. And what that means is we then have the opportunity to have you know a much healthier society because we can catch those problems early, because we can try and help people with behavioral changes um by really you know giving them a ah very true look ah at what their body might look like you know years down the road.
00:21:51
Speaker
um And so, you know, it kind of takes it from the abstract to to a more real scenario for the the average person. So that's where I think it it starts to have a really big and impactful opportunity, you know, not just on, you know, again, these elite athletes or people with a lot of money, but with the everyday citizen. This makes me think of biohacking 2.0.
Biohacking and Ethical Implications
00:22:12
Speaker
Is that essentially what we're we're kind of talking about here?
00:22:15
Speaker
Yeah, I think so. right and And it brings up a lot of really exciting and also interesting questions. right So on the one hand, it's really exciting because we are talking about you know sort of biohacking 2.0. So let's kind of pick that apart a little bit. If you look at the people that are really into to kind of biohacking today, right people that are really focused on longevity and and increasing their life spans as much as they can. It tends to be pretty wealthy individuals, right? So that's great if you have a lot of money and you can go invest in really sophisticated technologies that that allow you to do that. Does that then create a situation where it's it's exacerbating this problem of the haves and the have nots?
00:22:58
Speaker
The people with a lot of money have access to this really you know incredible technology, and therefore they live longer, healthier lives, and the rest of us maybe don't. right So I think it's important for us when we think about things like biohacking to, again, go outside the world of science and technology and get into the world of you know society, ethics, philosophy, these others kind of softer, if you will, areas.
00:23:23
Speaker
to make sure that that we don't leave people behind and that everybody benefits from these technologies as they start to come online. Absolutely. I can imagine that the Lebronze and the ah you know the the most elite of athletes in the world probably already have access to to these technologies. We just don't hear about it, but bringing it to to the everyday person could have an immense impact on on society as a whole.
Predictions on AI-Driven Healthcare
00:23:48
Speaker
and so with Some of these developments, some of these changes, some of these technologies and opportunities, putting kind of on that futurist hat even more, what do you think some of the biggest changes will be in the next 10 to 20 years on a broad scale, but maybe even more specifically in the health, healthcare care wellness space? What are your thoughts on on that?
00:24:12
Speaker
Yeah. So first of all, I think we're going to see a lot of big changes and I think AI is going to be a big driver to that, right? Because we're kind of at this point where we're, we have the opportunity to be almost at ah at a scientific revolution 2.0, right? If you think about back to the first scientific revolution, it really changed how we thought about a lot of things. And this, this new scientific revolution 2.0.
00:24:38
Speaker
really gives us the ability to where almost anything is possible, right? Because of artificial intelligence and its ability to, you know, come up with ah new new technologies, new cancer treatments, new drugs, you know, all of these things in the world of health and wellness. um It really allows us to be at ah at a, I feel like we're kind of at this tipping point where over the next, call it 10 years, we're going to see massive breakthroughs in in a lot of those areas.
00:25:07
Speaker
you know ah precision medicine, personalized medicine, you know synthetic biology, regenerative medicine, all of these things are are going to become possible. you know We've been talking about them for a long time, but I think they're really going to become possible. now you know, how fast they make their way to the average person. I think that remains to be seen because unlike a lot of different, a lot of other fields, you know, the areas ah of health and wellness and sort of working with the the human body, clinical trials and, you know, a lot of things that sort of, you know, elongate the process.
00:25:39
Speaker
But I think we're at a point where we're going to see a lot of those technologies be available to people at a reasonable price. um And we're also going to see a lot of really big scientific breakthroughs that allow us to deal with a lot of the big challenges that you know have emerged over the last 50 years or so. Again, things like you know heart disease, diabetes, cancer, all all of those things.
00:26:00
Speaker
We had a previous guest that spoke about some of the changes that they see coming in in healthcare, care and one of the largest themes seemed to be access to healthcare. And that sounds similar to what you're saying now. Something that was interesting was more people getting into the business of healthcare care in terms of maybe companies that you wouldn't necessarily expect. Now, looking at the opportunity of healthcare, when because of the changes in demographics of our aging population and of you know the the boomer generation, in addition to the availability of these new technologies like we talked about, that there's really going to be an opportunity for um better access, not just geographically, but perhaps also
00:26:47
Speaker
in a community sense in terms of being able to find information, being able to find others that are experiencing similar things to yourself. And so I'm i'm wondering if you know that's part of what you're you're seeing in what one of the futures that could realize might look like.
00:27:03
Speaker
Yeah, I completely agree with ah with your previous guest. And I think you can think about, let let's take take smart homes as an example, right? um So as people age, more and more largely driven by the the pandemic that we've just come through, people are really interested in aging in place, aging in their homes.
00:27:24
Speaker
in a way that they didn't before, right? Avoid going into assisted living facilities and so on. And so you can imagine smart home technology providers now being able to provide technology to the elderly community as they age in their home. And so now you start to see this convergence between you know a traditional technology company and the health and wellness field coming together to allow those people to safely age in their home ah in a way that they might not have been able to before, right? To be able to to monitor how they're moving about their house on on a daily basis in a passive way so that if things, you know, if we start to, if we spot an anomaly in the way that they're moving about that day, we can go do a well check on them or we can, you know, sort of log into, if you will, their digital twin and and identify a problem that they might be having that we need to deal with.
00:28:14
Speaker
Another big area that that brings up is this notion of loneliness and isolation. You know, one of the downsides of people aging in place is that they can become very isolated spending time in their homes. And we frankly don't have enough care workers to be able to to tend to all those people, right? Families are are you know moving away geographically from one another. And so, you know, loved ones might not be as close. We don't have those caregivers that can do those well visits as often as they would like.
00:28:40
Speaker
And so things like humanoid robots perhaps have the opportunity to not only sort of you know check in on and help those people, but also provide that companionship that maybe they wouldn't have. um Again, this brings up a lot of ethical you know and philosophical conversations around, you know does it make sense for them to to have a conversation with a robot? Does it become too real? right there's There's a lot that needs to be unpacked there.
00:29:04
Speaker
But again, it's a good example of how there starts to be this this convergence of science and technology um in the health and wellness context to be able to help people in ah in a very real way and in a way that they're not being serviced today. And so being able to give them access to things that just you know aren't available as as we sit here today.
00:29:24
Speaker
I think it's especially exciting because there are some industries that have not really had a revolution in that sense in a while, and healthcare seems to be one of those. And so it it seems like this very exciting new opportunity for healthcare care to um transform and and to kind of take on a ah new face, so to speak.
00:29:47
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. And you know, it's interesting. There's something that I thought about as you were just um talking is there's this theory that the first person to live to 200 has already been born.
00:29:57
Speaker
And the reason that people believe that is because technology is going to be moving so fast in the area of health and wellness that somebody who's born today, and you know, if, if everything just remained the way it was, you know, it is right now, they might live to 90 or 95 or a hundred, but because the technology is going to continue to advance as that, you know, person grows, you know, they're going to live to 200. And so we think about those implications a lot, and there are a lot of implications. So if you do say live to 200,
00:30:25
Speaker
What does that mean in terms of how long you work? What does that mean in terms of how long you need to save for retirement? Do you now need to, you know, does it break all the actuarial models of, you know, life insurance and, you know, retirement models and things like that. So you can see how.
00:30:42
Speaker
Solving one problem potentially creates others or at least things that we need to be thinking about in completely other fields like you know the the financial financial industry. So that's what makes being a futurist really fun is you you kind of look in one area and then it drags you into another.
Optimism for Technological Adaptation
00:30:58
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's extremely fascinating. What would you say you are most optimistic about when it comes to the future?
00:31:06
Speaker
Yeah, so I think that um what makes me most optimistic is that while people tend to be pretty resistant to change, we also are incredibly adaptable. And so when we think about these new technologies, and AI is a big one that that I get asked a lot about, particularly in the context of, you know, work and, you know, am I still going to have a job in five years or whatever?
00:31:28
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I think that there are going to be you know some bumpy roads in all of these different areas as they sort of you know permeate society and and um we learn what's working and what's not. But I also think that because we're resilient and because we've been through times like this before, you know I tend to be, I like to think of myself as ah as an optimistic futurist. I think as we look at it over a longer time you know time period and as we look at it sort of on the whole,
00:31:55
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I think that we're going to be in a much, hopefully better and more purpose-driven, environmentally-driven society. you know Again, recognizing that that there are going to be you know a lot of big challenges that we have to deal with along the way, but I think ultimately I'm i'm pretty excited about where we're headed.
00:32:15
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That's fantastic.
Connect with Bill Quinn
00:32:16
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For our listeners that want to stay up to date, they want to follow the work that you're doing and your thoughts. Where can they find you? Where can they find your work? um How can they stay connected with you?
00:32:28
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Yeah, so probably LinkedIn is the best place for me. um If you look for Bill Quinn, TCS, or my ah handle is LinkedIn, and then it's ah Bill D Quinn, that's probably the best place. I you know publish things there, articles that ah that I contribute to or that are written, um that I'm involved with, you know get published there. So that's probably the best place to you know keep an eye on what I'm up to and what I'm thinking.
00:32:53
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Awesome. We will also link that for everybody ah below so that folks can find you very easily. Bill, I want to say thanks so much for your time. Thank you for joining the What Are We Going To Do With All This Future podcast, sharing your thoughts, lending a piece of your mind and your brain. We we really appreciate it. Well, thanks for having me. It's been a super fun conversation and I'm happy to do it again in the future if it makes sense. Awesome. Thanks so much.