S02E27 - Tash Mic Guys - INSTANT Post-Match REACTION - LFC 4 vs 1 Chelsea

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Speaker: Hey, look, I'm well, man.

Speaker: I'm well, but I've got a feeling that you're not going to be very well.

Speaker: I'm all right.

Speaker: I made my peace with it.

Speaker: Obviously, in that 90 minutes, I made my peace with it.

Speaker: I'm going to class this as the instant post-match reaction.

Speaker: Instant post-match reaction.

Speaker: This is exactly what this is.

Speaker: But no, we did really well.

Speaker: We played very, very well.

Speaker: Happy with the performance.

Speaker: Obviously, we got the away goal.

Speaker: It's something what a Liverpool fan would say, right?

Speaker: I know this game, I know this game.

Speaker: No, it's been awful, to be fair.

Speaker: I think from the start of the 11th, let's just jump straight in.

Speaker: Do you know what?

Speaker: We're going to talk about the game Liverpool-Chelsea.

Speaker: That's why we're here.

Speaker: Chelsea got beat 4-1.

Speaker: Two controversial penalties that should have really gone to Chelsea.

Speaker: Maybe not controversial, but two decisions that should have gone Chelsea's way that didn't.

Speaker: The match might have been different if we got that one in the first 10 minutes.

Speaker: We might have s at a little bit more and hit on the counter, but you can't blame... I think I put it on the group chat as well.

Speaker: I can't blame the referee now until he doesn't give Christian Nkukwu's penalty as well when Van Dijk kicks him in the back.

Speaker: But

Speaker: we were poor start to finish.

Speaker: We were weak.

Speaker: We were cute.

Speaker: I think I even referred to the phrase of we were cute.

Speaker: You didn't use that word.

Speaker: We're too cute, man.

Speaker: We're just, you don't use cute for footballers, bro.

Speaker: Like anybody who watches it, you don't use cute.

Speaker: People over the pond, if you're watching an NBA match or a NFL match.

Speaker: Imagine an NFL match.

Speaker: NFL match.

Speaker: Oh, he's a cute player.

Speaker: Like, what are you talking about, bro?

Speaker: These are grown ass men who are playing.

Speaker: Like, you know, and they're,

Speaker: we can't play the young card anymore.

Speaker: You know, like 23 is not young anymore.

Speaker: In this day and age, 23 is not young.

Speaker: These guys have been playing around for like a hundred games.

Speaker: Like Mudrick came on.

Speaker: That was his hundredth game.

Speaker: He's not young anymore.

Speaker: He's 23 years old.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Not Chelsea.

Speaker: No, no, not Chelsea.

Speaker: Like overall.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I was going to say, there's a lot of times, a lot of games to play.

Speaker: We were just weak.

Speaker: Barry Shield was shocking as a center, center defender.

Speaker: I'm watching the goal again.

Speaker: I don't know what he's reading.

Speaker: I know he looks lucky because it hits... He was poor the whole game.

Speaker: The whole game, he was poor.

Speaker: He was really poor.

Speaker: I was expecting him to win some individual duels, but he didn't do anything.

Speaker: He lost every single one of them.

Speaker: Chilwell poor.

Speaker: De Sassi really poor.

Speaker: I even put it on the chart, I think, when he let Jota bring the ball down from the air, like chest, knee.

Speaker: And then Jota was straight at him.

Speaker: You must understand, Liverpool are a very direct team.

Speaker: You have got to close them down.

Speaker: You don't let the ball come down.

Speaker: I just didn't understand what was happening.

Speaker: Yeah, I mean, even from the neutral point of view, I think I can safely say that they were just awful, awful performance from Chelsea.

Speaker: There was nothing offered at all, actually.

Speaker: You try to take positives, but I promise you there is not one positive from that.

Speaker: The only positive you would probably say is when Guk was finished.

Speaker: That is literally the only positive I've got from this game.

Speaker: nothing else.

Speaker: Everybody was poor.

Speaker: Enzo was really poor.

Speaker: Nowhere to be seen.

Speaker: I feel like we're not playing to his strength.

Speaker: The midfield was non-existent.

Speaker: I didn't even feel like the midfield even existed because when we didn't have the ball, it looked like as if we were 4-4-2 with Conor Gallagher up top.

Speaker: Callagher and Palmer, like how are you starting a game away to Anfield with Palmer?

Speaker: Like, you know, you're going to be under so much pressure.

Speaker: You need an out ball.

Speaker: Especially them two big ass defenders that Liverpool have got as well.

Speaker: How is he going to get through that?

Speaker: What you can do is probably put Breuer on, like I'll put somebody who can hold the ball up.

Speaker: We've tried to play the ball out from the keepers.

Speaker: Then Liverpool pressured us.

Speaker: And we're like, okay, we need to kick it long.

Speaker: To who?

Speaker: We said this in the previous part.

Speaker: We said that Breuer should be the player that starts, just purely on physical.

Speaker: But, um,

Speaker: No, basically Maduweka, awful, awful performance.

Speaker: Same again.

Speaker: Nothing.

Speaker: Very much one dimension.

Speaker: Nothing offering.

Speaker: Mundra came on for him.

Speaker: Nothing again.

Speaker: I missed an absolute chance.

Speaker: He should have took a touch.

Speaker: He should have known he had more time than that.

Speaker: He didn't need to take that first time at the pace that he was coming in on his weaker foot.

Speaker: It just doesn't seem ready.

Speaker: And I don't know if that makes any sense.

Speaker: It could be that.

Speaker: It literally looks like as if, meh.

Speaker: It's eight years.

Speaker: I'll get my money and I'll do that.

Speaker: I genuinely feel like he looks like the type of guy who does not like football, who does not enjoy being good at football or doing competitive.

Speaker: Well, he's clearly not good, so yeah, I'm sure he doesn't enjoy it.

Speaker: The point is, even if you're not good, you try to be good, right?

Speaker: You're not good, so you try your hardest.

Speaker: Whatever you're lacking for a technical ability, you do at least by effort.

Speaker: He doesn't do effort.

Speaker: His technical ability, if he's got this, I don't know, if he's playing Sunday League or in training, I guess,

Speaker: He must be good where nobody's tackling him.

Speaker: But I'm watching him as well.

Speaker: He's just so poor.

Speaker: Honestly, I'm watching a few of the Liverpool goals now.

Speaker: We're asleep.

Speaker: I don't know whether it's... I'm not even going to make the excuse of being tired because Liverpool played FA Cup as well.

Speaker: No, you can't.

Speaker: You can't say that.

Speaker: Definitely can't be saying that.

Speaker: And you just can't...

Speaker: But this is the thing, some people will be like, oh, we're tired.

Speaker: Liverpool had the same games that we did.

Speaker: We played Tuesday.

Speaker: If anything, they're more tired than us because they played a day later.

Speaker: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker: Obviously, we're not going to sit here and obviously discuss the amount of days in between because, like we said before, the professional footballers and both teams had the same playing advantage, really.

Speaker: But yeah, I mean, it was amateur at best, to be honest.

Speaker: And I say that obviously in the Premier League terms.

Speaker: It was just amateur at best.

Speaker: And there was no link-up play between the players.

Speaker: They were very selfish.

Speaker: Let me ask you a question for this.

Speaker: If there's no link-up play and the players are sometimes just putting their hands up and a bad ball is always played, is always behind the play, who do you blame for that?

Speaker: Well, I mean, that would go down to the coach and staff and the manager, really.

Speaker: Absolutely.

Speaker: Of course it would.

Speaker: Tactically, like, where are you?

Speaker: What are we doing tactically?

Speaker: If the ball is in this section of the ball, in this section of the pitch, what are we trying to do?

Speaker: What are we trying to achieve other than pass the ball backwards to keep the ball?

Speaker: That's the last resort, right?

Speaker: Keeping the ball is the last resort.

Speaker: That's the basic, I mean, that's your basic foundation starter level, you know.

Speaker: Pass the ball back.

Speaker: And then obviously, you have to improve on that.

Speaker: Passing the ball back is always referred to, let's start again.

Speaker: Let's start again.

Speaker: What are you trying to do?

Speaker: Yeah, yeah, let's reset.

Speaker: But what are you resetting for?

Speaker: What is the aim?

Speaker: What, just to go back into the middle and reset?

Speaker: I FaceTime my brother and my dad because they were watching the game.

Speaker: And I said, what are we doing?

Speaker: Two-yard passes, literally two yards, like as far as I am from this computer.

Speaker: I gave Gallagher a pass into Caicedo just to get the ball back.

Speaker: I'm like, there's no need for you to be there.

Speaker: Move.

Speaker: What Liverpool did really well, they were making runs from deep and we just couldn't pick them up in that first half.

Speaker: I don't know if you saw McAllister making runs.

Speaker: People were just getting the ball in the deep, making a pass into... Tactically, they were amazing.

Speaker: But again, it shows when a manager's elite is able to adapt to Chelsea.

Speaker: Predominantly, they were going down the left-hand side with Diaz because they saw De Sassi as a weak link.

Speaker: Bradley the 20 year old who got fantastic footballer fantastic footballer really really attacking a great goal as well the way young as well which which is you know which is always promising to see someone like that and clubs present to Liverpool just before he leaves that oh there you go there's another staff here that's literally what he's another trend because that's what happened with Trent Trent came on everyone's like oh who's this kid now this everyone's talking about who's this Bradley

Speaker: But just to make it obvious as well, I want to say this on record, Curtis Jones had a very good game.

Speaker: Didn't let Cole Palmer breathe.

Speaker: Again, that's on the manager.

Speaker: Tactically, he wasn't like, wow, Jones, he had an outstanding performance.

Speaker: He did what he needed to do to make sure his team gave him the advantage.

Speaker: Which was earn you a very good performance, to be fair.

Speaker: Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker: A very good performance, a great performance.

Speaker: And a mention on Tashmik Gatis for having a great performance.

Speaker: I can't believe Riggs actually reached this point already.

Speaker: No, he did.

Speaker: But listen, I'm not a hypocrite.

Speaker: I'm not like some Liverpool fans who say... Should I send you that letter, by the way?

Speaker: You said you were going to eat your words.

Speaker: It's not that.

Speaker: He just had a good performance against Chelsea.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: But if he'd scored, it would have been different, right?

Speaker: If he'd got a hat-trick, he'd be like, oh my God, let me bow to this guy.

Speaker: Yeah, you buy the paper yourself and I'll make it right down.

Speaker: I'll make it right down and eat it for sure.

Speaker: No, tactically, he kind of kept Palmer very quiet.

Speaker: And look, Palmer was our attacker.

Speaker: Whereas you see, most of the time was in the center circle.

Speaker: I go back to the fact that we didn't really have an outplay.

Speaker: And I'm really annoyed at the management team for looking at that for 45 minutes and being, we can change.

Speaker: Don't be embarrassed to change something after 20, 15, 20 minutes, 30 minutes.

Speaker: Be like, do you know what?

Speaker: We got it wrong.

Speaker: I'm going to give the team the best chance possible away at Anfield.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: Yeah, let's see how this plays out.

Speaker: We could have been 3-0 at halftime if Diaz didn't miss the penalty.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Nunes, sorry, yeah.

Speaker: Nunes missed the penalty.

Speaker: He missed a lot of shots, by the way.

Speaker: It was like five shots.

Speaker: Three of them hit the post, which is, you know, it's all looking good.

Speaker: Also, I agree with you.

Speaker: I can't stand Ali McCoy as a commentator.

Speaker: I was watching the Albanian commentator and I was watching the Albanian.

Speaker: I feel like he's trying to make, he makes a point.

Speaker: And then he just quickly deviates away from it.

Speaker: And I was listening to him on TalkSport, by the way.

Speaker: Quick little deviation here doing an Ali McCoy.

Speaker: Quick deviation here.

Speaker: I was watching him on TalkSport.

Speaker: He was the main host.

Speaker: And because he wasn't very good at it, they kind of substituted him with one of the guys who was a guest.

Speaker: And now he's the main host.

Speaker: Jeff Sterling is the main host.

Speaker: Because he's meant to be Ali McCoy's Jeff Sterling.

Speaker: Now it's the other way around.

Speaker: He's just not very good.

Speaker: And even on the podcast, sorry, on the commentary tonight, he was talking about Gallagher's penalties.

Speaker: Oh, that's a penalty for me.

Speaker: But, oh, what a great pass by things.

Speaker: Like, bro, like, he can't... It was a big moment there.

Speaker: As a commentator, you need to discuss more.

Speaker: Like, that could have affected the game.

Speaker: This could have been there.

Speaker: Let me see why the referee didn't give it.

Speaker: Is it because Gallagher went down... I just feel like he's drunk all the time.

Speaker: That's the way I hear him.

Speaker: Whenever he talks, I just think he's drunk.

Speaker: I'm not going to mention it here, but I think he's drunk.

Speaker: When he was like, yeah, Gallagher didn't get a penalty because he went down dramatically.

Speaker: Like, what are you talking about?

Speaker: Like, it doesn't matter how you go down.

Speaker: That was a penalty.

Speaker: Especially...

Speaker: when you've got VAR, you saw, you saw what's his name come with his right knee and just wiped him out.

Speaker: He's like, I went down dramatically.

Speaker: Cause he was,

Speaker: How old do you go down?

Speaker: How do you gracefully go down?

Speaker: That speed as well.

Speaker: Let's consider the speed that these players are running at as well.

Speaker: Sometimes I'm saying, obviously not all the time.

Speaker: Most of the time it is just a plain out dive.

Speaker: Chilwell was a dive.

Speaker: That was a dive, yeah.

Speaker: We saw the dive from Chilwell.

Speaker: No one touched him.

Speaker: Mundrick went down too easy when he just had a touch on his back.

Speaker: That was a dive.

Speaker: Let's be realistic.

Speaker: We're not being biased here.

Speaker: We're trying to call the game.

Speaker: We're football fans at the end of the day.

Speaker: We want to see a fairly reffed game.

Speaker: For me, I think that definitely was a penalty, to be honest with you, because again, there was a touch in the box whilst he was running.

Speaker: Whether he would have made the next touch of the ball or not, it's irrelevant because he got hit.

Speaker: It's irrelevant.

Speaker: He got fouled.

Speaker: Yeah, he got fouled.

Speaker: So, you know, I think that was a harsh call.

Speaker: I'll be honest.

Speaker: By the way, if he made a touch of the ball neither as well, like if he did make a touch of the ball after that being fouled by Van Dijk, how do we know that would have been at his greatest strength or like at his full pace?

Speaker: No, no, I'm saying, I'm saying like, I don't know, like it didn't look like he lost control of the ball, do you know what I mean?

Speaker: Just before he got, yeah, so that's what I'm saying.

Speaker: So he would have definitely had that.

Speaker: But I didn't see, I did not see the Van Dijk one right at the end because I was just setting up for the podcast.

Speaker: So I turned away.

Speaker: I did not see it.

Speaker: I even missed the replay.

Speaker: So I can't comment on that.

Speaker: Ball came into the feet of Curtis Jones because he's given an interview now.

Speaker: Christopher Nkuku's feet, ball got played in.

Speaker: He touched it with his left, Van Dijk kicked him on the right.

Speaker: Now, okay, it's a kick anywhere on the pitch, it's a foul.

Speaker: I just don't understand why the referee did not have the balls to give it.

Speaker: Because he went down similar to what Jota went down.

Speaker: Jota got stood on the foot.

Speaker: Penalty.

Speaker: Got stood on the foot.

Speaker: Can I just... He rolled down a couple of times.

Speaker: Real quick on that, by the way, on the Jota thing.

Speaker: Because, again, when you see the different angle... No, no, no.

Speaker: Yeah, for sure.

Speaker: But when you see the different angle, you can see Badia Sheila actually touches the ball first.

Speaker: And then, with the follow-through, he catches him on the foot.

Speaker: Now, that's... I don't know what angle you watched.

Speaker: I didn't watch it all, to be fair.

Speaker: At that point, I was like, fucking hell...

Speaker: Fuck this shit.

Speaker: So from that angle, that's what it looked like.

Speaker: Let's do the bedtime.

Speaker: Yeah, well, fair enough.

Speaker: Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker: Get your mind up.

Speaker: Happy endings and fairy tales and shit.

Speaker: Well, of course, reality still goes on, you know what I mean?

Speaker: Standard.

Speaker: But no, I didn't really watch it, to be honest.

Speaker: I didn't watch it.

Speaker: I watched it, but I didn't watch him touch it.

Speaker: What I saw was him stand on his, a stamp on his foot.

Speaker: Stamp is a strong word.

Speaker: Stood on his foot.

Speaker: That's what I'm saying.

Speaker: It was the follow-through.

Speaker: It was the follow-through.

Speaker: I

Speaker: So that's why I say that.

Speaker: If you get a chance to watch the replay, that's… But if it's a follow-through and you were able to see it, what are people at VAR doing?

Speaker: Why are they not looking at all angles to make sure the correct decision is made?

Speaker: They very quickly looked at it and went, yeah, yeah, it's a penalty.

Speaker: Hold on a minute.

Speaker: If there is a slight inkling that he's touched the ball, he's touched the ball first.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Again, I saw what I saw, whether my eyes lied to me for that split second or not.

Speaker: I'll go back, obviously.

Speaker: I'm just trusting you here, but if you have seen that, maybe others, maybe that didn't happen.

Speaker: That's why I commented in the group.

Speaker: Yeah, I think probably, probably.

Speaker: So again, we'll go 50-50 on that one.

Speaker: If that's the case, VAR, bro.

Speaker: That's what VAR's meant.

Speaker: Make sure it makes it easier.

Speaker: I genuinely don't understand why the Conor Gallagher challenge didn't get a longer look.

Speaker: We definitely need to hear the conversation between the referee.

Speaker: I think that needs to happen.

Speaker: I think that's going to be an apology incoming, really, isn't it?

Speaker: It will be an apology, but I think because we got beat 4-1, it's probably no apology because if it was a 1-0 win or a 0-0, it'll probably be an apology.

Speaker: But yeah, because we got beat 4-1.

Speaker: Yeah, but that was early on as well, though.

Speaker: That was early on, so that could have changed the game.

Speaker: That really could have changed.

Speaker: I think it definitely would have changed the game.

Speaker: But again, it's ifs and buts now, you know?

Speaker: It's a moot point, but we're here to discuss the decisions.

Speaker: And for me, I go back to it.

Speaker: The referee had no balls in this game to give anything for Chelsea.

Speaker: Chilwell, another example.

Speaker: Chilwell's running it past Bradley at full pace.

Speaker: Bradley pulled him back.

Speaker: Chilwell went down.

Speaker: Of course he did because he's not going at the pace that he was running.

Speaker: Referee didn't give anything.

Speaker: Granted, the penalty wasn't, but that was a foul.

Speaker: McCoy's is watching.

Speaker: Everybody's watching it.

Speaker: A drunk Ali McCoy's can call it to the penalty.

Speaker: Can call it, exactly.

Speaker: See that it was a fucking foul.

Speaker: What is fucking Bradley or whatever his name is on the pitch?

Speaker: taking the piss I'm just being like nah nothing okay he can't see what about people at Varmant it was two pens bro the pen first pen was a big one for me that's really left a sour taste as you can tell and then after that it's just a team performance it's just a shock shock performance I think

Speaker: I think with... I blame Poch.

Speaker: Looking at the lineups, then, I mean, obviously, like you said, you can't really start with Palmer in any forward position by himself because, again, let's just go on physical factor alone.

Speaker: Yeah, well, that, but let's go on physical factor alone when you're facing two of the biggest defenders in the Premier League and two of the best defenders.

Speaker: You can't have him because he will get bullied.

Speaker: And that's what happened.

Speaker: He literally was just running into a brick wall.

Speaker: And, you know, they were too quick for him to block his passing lanes.

Speaker: You know, I mean, he had no chance to make any passes apart from that one that, you know, that should have been that should have been something epic when he passed the Sterling, I think it was.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Early on in the half, that was a great pass.

Speaker: Yeah, a great pass.

Speaker: Caicedo made a good pass as well.

Speaker: I don't know if you saw that one where Caicedo made a really good pass, but that's it.

Speaker: Just a good pass is nothing.

Speaker: If it's not material... Sterling, for me, looked like as if he had too much... It was too much emotions going into this game.

Speaker: He got booed a couple of times early on, and then all of a sudden he just couldn't... He went up against a 20-year-old.

Speaker: He just stopped.

Speaker: He did not attack Bradley once.

Speaker: And this is the Raheem Sterling I've been kind of trashing previous episodes.

Speaker: And the time when he was our top scorer, I scored three goals is

Speaker: He's not attacking the players.

Speaker: He's not playing to his full strength.

Speaker: But Palmer, to go back quickly on Palmer, he was at the top.

Speaker: He didn't get enough service.

Speaker: He didn't get enough of the ball.

Speaker: So he dropped further down.

Speaker: Liverpool quickly saw that.

Speaker: Maybe players on the pitch, maybe Klopp from the sideline or somebody from the management team and just said, Jones, can you sit on him?

Speaker: And he did.

Speaker: Curtis was on call.

Speaker: Cole didn't breathe.

Speaker: Nothing.

Speaker: He couldn't do nothing.

Speaker: He got the ball once or twice.

Speaker: I think he made it one of the times.

Speaker: I even put it on chat.

Speaker: Maybe I didn't send that voice note.

Speaker: I was like, right, you did that.

Speaker: Now get rid of it.

Speaker: We're about to counter with four players here.

Speaker: We're going to hit the counter attack and you hold it onto the ball.

Speaker: You did the Megs.

Speaker: Get rid of it quickly.

Speaker: Don't try and take somebody else on.

Speaker: Liverpool are so quick at closing the ball down.

Speaker: You have to, you've got less than a second to get rid of the ball.

Speaker: That's the mark of an actually good team and a team in general because obviously Chelsea are not playing like a team right now.

Speaker: They just don't know how to, obviously maybe they don't like each other, I don't know.

Speaker: Maybe there's some resentment in that squad, I have no idea.

Speaker: I've got a few.

Speaker: I was going to say, the way that they're playing, it's very obvious that

Speaker: there is a major factor wrong, whether it's the coach not being able to bring them all together or not.

Speaker: Well, again, look, that's why you get paid as a manager at the end of the day.

Speaker: You are a people person or you're meant to bring the team together.

Speaker: If you can't do that, that's the elements.

Speaker: Yeah, that's the foundation of your job you're not doing and you're not good because you're not going to do anything else.

Speaker: You know what I'm saying?

Speaker: If they're not together, it doesn't matter what tactics you've got.

Speaker: If that's the foundation, how are you going to build on that?

Speaker: How are you going to build on that?

Speaker: Yeah, he looks clueless.

Speaker: Posh looked clueless today.

Speaker: Yeah, he did.

Speaker: Literally, that's what we currently have is the House of Cards at Chelsea Football Club, especially with these 11s.

Speaker: What was it?

Speaker: We played Aston Villa with this 11.

Speaker: We didn't really do much.

Speaker: And then he thought it's good enough to come to Liverpool and play with this 11.

Speaker: The team was sitting on top of the league.

Speaker: I just do not understand it.

Speaker: I don't understand how mad it is.

Speaker: I think it's a tactics modern formation, to be honest.

Speaker: I think it's tactics modern formation that's what went wrong today.

Speaker: I select players as well to be up for the battle, mate.

Speaker: You can't go in the battlefield and be like, you know, just have everybody with handguns or grenades.

Speaker: Is that the best he's got, though?

Speaker: Is that the best he's got?

Speaker: Who's he going to bring?

Speaker: Who else?

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: Bring that Gilchrist guy on and play him.

Speaker: Let him have a go.

Speaker: Genuinely, it makes me question everything.

Speaker: I know we've got injuries.

Speaker: And obviously N'Goku couldn't start right from the start because he's injured.

Speaker: Gusto couldn't start from the beginning because he's injured.

Speaker: But just Maduweka is really Maduweka, the best player at the club.

Speaker: Playing on that right-hand side.

Speaker: But if that is the case, why are we not looking for a right-winger?

Speaker: Why are we trying to buy defenders again?

Speaker: What is going on here?

Speaker: Why didn't Chukomeka start?

Speaker: He's come back from injury as well, hasn't he?

Speaker: He played the last two games.

Speaker: He's come back from injury.

Speaker: He's been...

Speaker: fit or at least pronounced fit for the past four games or something like that.

Speaker: Fair enough, all the games were in the space of two weeks, but he's been fit.

Speaker: But Maduweka for me is not, he's did nothing.

Speaker: He's so easily read, just throw him on his right foot, he's going to cut in inside, he just nicked the ball off him.

Speaker: And that's literally what Liverpool did today.

Speaker: They were very quick to double team Sterling, to double team Maduweka, Cole Palmer didn't have a chance to breathe.

Speaker: Enzo Caicedo and Gallagher's running around, bless him, to try and make something, but nobody else is running.

Speaker: You can't press with one player.

Speaker: You know, and we saw that bit as well when he slipped when the ball came to him at the edge of the box.

Speaker: He went, oh, fucking Connor.

Speaker: And I was like, I'm going to send you a voice note.

Speaker: I'm not going to type it.

Speaker: I'm going to send you a voice note so you know exactly how I feel.

Speaker: Yeah, I think that was probably the best thing I could say at that point because I've already made my feelings clear about Connor Gallagher.

Speaker: We didn't turn up at all.

Speaker: We didn't turn up at all.

Speaker: No, not at all.

Speaker: We won one half.

Speaker: We did something.

Speaker: We didn't do anything either half.

Speaker: Second half.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: We made, but nothing, literally nothing.

Speaker: We didn't have a shot on target until the 47th minute when Enzo shot from 25 yards out.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And this is what made me think from that start in 11.

Speaker: He's just trying to go there and make a draw and then come out to the media and say, yeah, we played all right.

Speaker: A draw is a good result.

Speaker: Like, no, bro, like it's not a good result.

Speaker: Like this is Chelsea used to decide titles.

Speaker: for Liverpool, for Spurs, for other teams, when we used to beat them so that they don't get the lead, for example, you know?

Speaker: And it's just, it's just, just shit, just shit.

Speaker: Honestly, being a Chelsea fan at the minute is just really, really poor.

Speaker: It's heartbreaking.

Speaker: Heartbreaking is a strong word.

Speaker: I'm not really heartbroken, but it's very devastating.

Speaker: Yeah, I think it's got, it's, well, it looks like it's getting worse as well, to be honest.

Speaker: It's time-wasting.

Speaker: Yeah, I'm watching the football.

Speaker: I FaceTime, when he got 2-0, my brother and my dad were like, are you really going to watch it?

Speaker: I was like, just for content for the podcast.

Speaker: Yeah, literally, that's the only reason I watched it.

Speaker: I said, I will not be watching the rest of this match.

Speaker: Regardless of whether... I was going to turn it off after 3-1.

Speaker: I was going to go back to Spurs.

Speaker: That's where I'm at.

Speaker: I was going to, Spurs looks more entertaining to watch Spurs-Brenford.

Speaker: Because City, I wasn't going to watch City, I'll be honest.

Speaker: No, of course not.

Speaker: Before I even turned it over, it was 2-0 City, so I wasn't going to watch that.

Speaker: There's no point.

Speaker: But what's going to be interesting to see is where Liverpool are at.

Speaker: This was a good performance, but against a very weak Chelsea team, so this doesn't really tell us anything.

Speaker: The next big game, obviously, or the next game that will give us an indicator where Liverpool are at, are they really favourites for the title, is away to Arsenal.

Speaker: It's next weekend.

Speaker: It's a Sunday night kickoff, isn't it?

Speaker: Four o'clock or 4.30.

Speaker: So it should be an interesting game.

Speaker: It should be a very interesting game.

Speaker: And it's a good segue into Arsenal if you don't have anything else to add for Chelsea, by the way.

Speaker: Because we've said, look, the thing is, we've said everything we can possibly say about Chelsea, like, you know, because they have been at the lowest for a long period of time.

Speaker: So there's nothing new to be offered here apart from the fact that clearly stood on the sideline.

Speaker: You know, Pochettino wasn't

Speaker: It just didn't look up to it.

Speaker: You know, when you compare him, well, you can't compare him with Klopp.

Speaker: That's not what I mean, by the way.

Speaker: No, no, no, of course not.

Speaker: Standard.

Speaker: But I'm saying, like, you know, you shouldn't even be on the same field because of that performance.

Speaker: You know, the fact that you didn't change the tactics at all throughout the whole game, even in the second half.

Speaker: Even in the second half, just put Breuer in or something.

Speaker: Pull Palmer back.

Speaker: Let him free run where he usually plays quite good.

Speaker: Do you know what I mean?

Speaker: Take Madaweka.

Speaker: Make that change.

Speaker: I really would have took Palmer off.

Speaker: Palmer was weak in this game.

Speaker: He chickened out of every 50-50.

Speaker: I don't know whether he's worried of being hurt.

Speaker: Of course, that's what he's worried about.

Speaker: But you can't chicken out of challenges.

Speaker: you cannot go into a 50-50 and pull out and be like, nah, actually I don't fancy it because the other player will win the ball every time and that's what they did.

Speaker: They won the 50-50 challenges and they were on the attack.

Speaker: 50-50 on the attack and we just, yeah, we lacked physicality, we lacked to turn up for the game.

Speaker: I think they probably thought they were playing against Middlesbrough again.

Speaker: I'll be honest with you, I had high hopes for this game.

Speaker: Not a victory, but I thought we'll play well against a team that's open and Liverpool just, well, they were open, but they were ruthless.

Speaker: pressure pressure what was the what was the predictions for this game to uh i think i said a draw in all fairness i think i went team winning but uh it's just uh i just thought i just it's just difficult i just thought i went three two i went i went three two liverpool so yeah quite high high scoring but not the score at all three two would have been perfect to be honest but yeah look

Speaker: Look, Rick, obviously we'll move on from Chelsea because I don't want to reopen those moons.

Speaker: This is the whole point of the instant post-match reaction because you get your true feelings out.

Speaker: I'm sure there's going to be hundreds of Chelsea fans out there who feel exactly the same, if not more, if not all of them.

Speaker: I'll be honest, people will be calling for Pochettino's head, I think.

Speaker: I've got a feeling because I was moment in that game and I was thinking, he looks clueless.

Speaker: He literally looks clueless.

Speaker: Especially after the third goal went in.

Speaker: I think by the penalty, I think he looked clueless as well.

Speaker: But even before the third goal went in, I think the camera turned on him.

Speaker: I think I even put it on chat.

Speaker: I'll have a look exactly when I send that.

Speaker: But I was like, and there we go.

Speaker: The camera shows you a clueless Pochettino on the sideline.

Speaker: And when I mean clueless, you could see the look in his face going, I have no idea what to do next.

Speaker: Yeah, what do I do next?

Speaker: What do I do next?

Speaker: And you're right, there is absolutely no answer.

Speaker: And when that tends to happen, you've got to, you know, in any line of work, if your manager, if your boss, if somebody, your CEO is going,

Speaker: I just don't know what to do next.

Speaker: You're like, see you later.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Because we have to go in a new direction because this business and this ship needs to keep moving, needs to keep sailing.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: It doesn't care for one person.

Speaker: It's not really going to go.

Speaker: It doesn't care for one person.

Speaker: So, oh, you're right.

Speaker: I'm not saying let's sack him straight away, but something needs to change.

Speaker: Either he needs to reflect at the player.

Speaker: He needs to get the players to talk or he needs to get the players to play.

Speaker: I just don't understand.

Speaker: He puts a three attackers, Sterling, Palmer and Madueka,

Speaker: And there's no link up.

Speaker: They're like, why are these guys, these three together, there's no link up?

Speaker: What are you working on training?

Speaker: Like, I know you had four days, but what are you trying to achieve?

Speaker: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker: There's no clear purpose.

Speaker: Let's not just focus on set pieces, yeah?

Speaker: Because you might not get one at Anfield.

Speaker: You probably didn't get a corner until very late.

Speaker: So how are you going to kind of get the ball in the box?

Speaker: How are you going to work things around to get a shot?

Speaker: You know what Liverpool are going to do.

Speaker: They're going to press you and they're going to press you with numbers.

Speaker: The pass that you think you've got on, it's not on because they've already closed that pass down.

Speaker: So then where's your option?

Speaker: You felt like there was no research on the… There was single research.

Speaker: There was nothing, man.

Speaker: It was just BS, man.

Speaker: It was a lot of BS that have literally turned up unless they're thinking, it's okay, we'll get them out Wembley.

Speaker: You won't do fuck all out Wembley, bro.

Speaker: Liverpool will beat us out Wembley.

Speaker: If we play like this, Liverpool are beating us.

Speaker: Every team is going to beat us if we play like this.

Speaker: If any other team is watching this, whoever we've got next, I don't even know who we're playing next, watch Chelsea play against Liverpool like this and just be like, just do this to them.

Speaker: Just literally smother them with pressure.

Speaker: Don't even let them breathe.

Speaker: They'll make a mistake.

Speaker: Barry Shea will make a mistake.

Speaker: Kayseda will make a mistake.

Speaker: Every single one of our players has got a mistake in them.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: I don't know what it is.

Speaker: I don't know what psychological demons they've got on.

Speaker: They might need to bring somebody in.

Speaker: I genuinely don't know.

Speaker: Just exercise those demons, yeah.

Speaker: If anybody was this bad, they're not paying 80 million for a Mundrick.

Speaker: If anyone's this bad, they're not paying 120 for Kaiseido.

Speaker: Oh, no, no.

Speaker: You're stuck with those players.

Speaker: You're stuck with those players.

Speaker: No, no, I get that.

Speaker: But I mean, like, why are they so bad for Chelsea?

Speaker: What is it about them being in that blue shirt that makes them so poor?

Speaker: Because Kaiseido wasn't this bad.

Speaker: I think he wasn't great, but he wasn't this bad for Brighton, right?

Speaker: No, he wasn't.

Speaker: He was confident.

Speaker: He was running with the ball.

Speaker: He was passing the ball forward.

Speaker: Now he gets him.

Speaker: But to Chelsea, it was $120 million worth or $115 million worth of goods.

Speaker: But yeah, look, Rick, like I said, it's stuff that it's been spoken about before.

Speaker: And I don't... There's no need to go into it.

Speaker: Obviously, we just need to let it be known for the sake of this game.

Speaker: You obviously...

Speaker: The frustration is clear in your voice and the points that you're making.

Speaker: And like I said, there's going to be hundreds, if not all, Chelsea fans who feel exactly the same way.

Speaker: Some of them going to the extreme.

Speaker: But yeah, look, obviously, if you don't have anything else to add, we'll have a quick... Let's just jump on a chew to North London, bro.

Speaker: Yeah, let's... Well, it was Nottingham, actually.

Speaker: Well, OK.

Speaker: I know what you mean.

Speaker: To get to Nottingham.

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Speaker: But look, obviously, the game against Nottingham, it was always going to be difficult.

Speaker: We said that in the last part as well.

Speaker: Full disclosure.

Speaker: I fell asleep when the little ones were bent, so I didn't really watch it.

Speaker: I woke up at 1am and missed all the football.

Speaker: So I saw the scoreline and I was like, 2-1.

Speaker: Okay, not too bad.

Speaker: No, it was... I didn't really care, but I was like, okay, let's see.

Speaker: I wonder what Larry's going to say.

Speaker: So, yeah, come on, you made your way Tuesday night in Nottingham.

Speaker: So, yeah, I'm already there.

Speaker: I took the trip from Houston and pulled up at the city ground.

Speaker: But, yeah, it was, you know, it was a good game in the second half because first half it was, wow, like lost.

Speaker: Just lost players walking around the pitch and...

Speaker: So it wasn't, I don't know, something again, like you said, for Chelsea as well, something must have happened in that win against Palace.

Speaker: And now it's like, you've had all this rest.

Speaker: What happened?

Speaker: Have you forgot how to score the goals?

Speaker: More than one is good.

Speaker: You need to score more goals, please.

Speaker: So I don't know what happened first half and it was quite nervy from Arsenal because they just weren't linking up at all and there was chances missed.

Speaker: Saka just

Speaker: again first half was he was quite lost as well and it wasn't it wasn't a performance where you think these guys are going to be champions i'm just going to be honest about i'm going to say it because it wasn't like i'm just again just that first half it was a poor performance for in my eyes in my eyes when i when i what i mean by that is obviously they played you know half decent because it was nil nil at the end of the day but i just feel like

Speaker: you know, you want to be champions.

Speaker: You need to, when I watch Liverpool, they are just relentless.

Speaker: Absolutely fucking relentless.

Speaker: They will chase that ball until they are fucking out of breath.

Speaker: And that's never apparently like, you know, they've got like extra oxygen tanks on them or some shit.

Speaker: So that's, that's why, that's why when I say poor, that's what I mean by poor.

Speaker: It's like, you know, you just not at that level yet.

Speaker: You need to be that ruthless and relentless in every single minute of the game.

Speaker: Like just do not let the opponent breathe at all

Speaker: And obviously for Liverpool as well, you know, they've had a few first halves where they haven't been very good.

Speaker: And you think, oh, shit, they actually may lose.

Speaker: And then they come back second half and it's got three goals.

Speaker: And you're like, oh, OK, cool.

Speaker: So that's why they just do that.

Speaker: So for Arsenal, it felt like that's what kind of happened.

Speaker: But even in the second half, it just wasn't a convincing performance where you'd feel comfortable as a fan, where I'd feel comfortable and say,

Speaker: yes, okay, yeah, we are going to win the league.

Speaker: I just don't feel that comfortable saying that because from what I'm watching, obviously I want to believe in my team, standard, but at the end of the day, I'm trying to be realistic here.

Speaker: It's not what I wish, obviously, you know.

Speaker: There's still a long way to go.

Speaker: You beat Liverpool next week, I think you kind of, you know, you get the momentum your way going again.

Speaker: you know sort of build that momentum again because right now being five points off the top is it is difficult to see like how you guys are going to no no it's not even it's not even honestly rick it's not even about the points you're still winning two one like you say i hear you say like you've not had a very good first half but coming away from ronan forest two one going away to win football matches is a it's a great thing chelsea chelsea last seven away matches they've won one not even drawn one one lost the other six

Speaker: in the last seven away matches.

Speaker: So like, you know, these are the things and I know you shouldn't compare to my team, but like compare with the top teams, you're winning football matches, mate.

Speaker: Like that's the main thing.

Speaker: You're scoring goals.

Speaker: I think you are one striker away from being serious challenges for the Premier League.

Speaker: But I think the thing shuts tonight, isn't it?

Speaker: Transfer window shuts tonight.

Speaker: I think there is no striker coming in.

Speaker: So you're going to have to do with Jesus and Saka and maybe a bit more reinforcement from Trossard or Nketiah in terms of offering a little bit more scoring, a bit more goals.

Speaker: Which it did to be fair.

Speaker: Trostad, you know, it was quite good when he came on and, you know, he provided just a little bit of a different dynamic to what Martinelli usually brings.

Speaker: And, but yeah, look, I just mean, like, I just mean, it's not even about the points, it's just the fact that the performance, it just feels like, you know, it could run away from us, you know what I mean?

Speaker: Like, if the opposition scored, like, two goals, like Nottingham Forest has got a goal or two goals before we did,

Speaker: And we played at that performance.

Speaker: We would never, I don't think we would.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: You see what I mean?

Speaker: It's just, it's the performance overall that, that that's what I find comforting.

Speaker: If fair enough, we're winning football games, but I'll always go to the point of, you know, to the point of where Emery again, he won 20, he went 22 games unbeaten, but that didn't mean shit because we were poor and we ended eighth.

Speaker: So, you know, it's not about just the points.

Speaker: And yeah, obviously, the standard, I'm glad that we got the three points.

Speaker: Very crucial, of course.

Speaker: But just the performance of that.

Speaker: Like I said, I watched Liverpool.

Speaker: I watched City.

Speaker: They are just relentless.

Speaker: Like, they're players.

Speaker: They just don't care.

Speaker: Sometimes they just feel like they're machines.

Speaker: They just keep going and going.

Speaker: Whereas when you watch Arsenal, it feels like the players have got a human role.

Speaker: does that make sense?

Speaker: it's like that work ethic and that work rate not work ethic is the wrong word but work rate is kind of like I'll do it for 10 minutes but then I'll take my foot off the gas a little bit or I'll maybe do it in the second half not first half and that's what it probably felt like for you watching the first half because sometimes you see that especially when you compare it to the top two in the country Liverpool and City they are relentless they are the work I was watching today they won 1-0 oh sorry they were 1-0 and it was like coming from the manager like more

Speaker: Any other manager would be like, oh, let's try and protect this.

Speaker: Hit on the counter.

Speaker: He was like, no, more.

Speaker: They're here.

Speaker: Just go for the throat now.

Speaker: Do it.

Speaker: Do it.

Speaker: You know what I mean?

Speaker: Ruthless.

Speaker: Ruthless.

Speaker: That's what I'm saying.

Speaker: Yeah, that's it.

Speaker: And that's what you need.

Speaker: If you want to win trophies, you want to win titles, you need to be ruthless.

Speaker: One nail is not enough because the one corner, one, something can happen.

Speaker: You're right.

Speaker: I've seen Arsenal play before.

Speaker: As you go two goals down, you're not winning that game.

Speaker: You might struggle to get a draw.

Speaker: You did go two goals down against Chelsea.

Speaker: You really struggled to win that game, but with mistakes, you were able to draw two too.

Speaker: A couple of mistakes.

Speaker: We took advantage of those opportunities, which is fair enough.

Speaker: It's a different type of thing.

Speaker: But yeah, in terms of just being ruthless and relentless, like I said, Arsenal players just feel a bit more human.

Speaker: than the cities and the Liverpools, because look, at the end of the day, it's, you know, psychology has got a lot to do with it.

Speaker: And again, when you go to Liverpool to Anfield and you consider the way that they've played in the last

Speaker: five six years let's say three years where they've just been constantly on it and getting you know almost what was it they broke the record for points or close to or something like that and they broke well they broke the record but city then broke the record broke the record again yeah yeah by winning the league yeah that's what i'm saying so when you think oh we've got liverpool next at anfield or even at home ground like emirates for example it's it's still a scary thing so psychology's got a lot to do with it and you know when i think i feel like when klopp

Speaker: goes up against an Arsenal team is just kind of like, all right, lads, it's going to be difficult.

Speaker: It's going to be, it's not, sorry, it's not going to, it's going to be kind of hard, but not really because, you know, they're just, they're just control that midfield.

Speaker: They're going to get sloppy and they're just going to forget.

Speaker: They're just going to seem complacent.

Speaker: You know, they just sort of zone out of the game.

Speaker: And we've seen that a lot.

Speaker: That's what I mean.

Speaker: It's,

Speaker: It's more the performance that I'm worried about because it needs to be consistent and relentless at the same time.

Speaker: Because if you play against a better team, you're probably not going to win 2-1.

Speaker: My point.

Speaker: Exactly my point.

Speaker: That's what I mean.

Speaker: I know it's unfair because you should really think about the opponent that you've got ahead of you right there and then.

Speaker: But again, at the end of the day, it's a 38-league game.

Speaker: 38 game league you are going to play the better team so you need to think of like shit and how do I beat a better team if like you said if this was a Man City or a Liverpool they could have beat us even a Tottenham probably could have just held out look that's a bit extreme you're not going to leave that forget I said that forget that shit but no I'm just trying to make my point really that that's what worries me more than anything else and obviously like I said

Speaker: points are great got them and um saka finally you know actually did something a little bit more than this guy scores and then all of a sudden records come out where it's like you know oh 23 goal and assists what did i see something it was like 10 and 10 first arsenal player to do it since so long and so forth and i thought to himself that we knew this did that ages ago that we knew when it was on 10 and 10 a long time ago

Speaker: We didn't give Darwin Nunes the credit.

Speaker: We seemed to give Saka his work because he's English.

Speaker: Let's just be realistic.

Speaker: Darwin Nunes is not awful, by the way.

Speaker: He's a good footballer.

Speaker: He needs a lucky break.

Speaker: Again, I use the word demons.

Speaker: I don't know what demons he has going on.

Speaker: I don't know how he's hit the crossbar today in the post four times.

Speaker: He seems to miss chance after chance.

Speaker: He's a good footballer.

Speaker: He works hard.

Speaker: He's quick.

Speaker: He does really well for the team.

Speaker: I like him a lot, to be fair.

Speaker: I'd have him in a national team, especially if he's creating those sort of chances because he's bound to go on like a 3-4 game.

Speaker: 1 in 30 will go in.

Speaker: And Crilly's on 0 for 27.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: That's just this game.

Speaker: I think we're just making a fun out of him.

Speaker: I mean, everybody.

Speaker: It's simply because, obviously, we're quite jealous that he's doing all right and he puts himself about

Speaker: Yeah, he gets in those positions, which again, our players for both respective teams are not doing right now.

Speaker: But look, I'm happy that... Saka does do that, don't we?

Speaker: Let the British media do do that for British players.

Speaker: And his sort of achievement is like... It's enhanced.

Speaker: Yeah, that's it, man.

Speaker: He didn't do 10 goals and 10 assists.

Speaker: I want to go back to what Chris Wilder talked about once when he first came in the Prem.

Speaker: And he was like, oh, you're impressed that he scored a goal?

Speaker: He goes, that's his job.

Speaker: That's what I actually pay him every week to do to score a goal.

Speaker: I'm not impressed he scored a goal because I pay him the 50 grand or 55 grand a week to score goals.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: And so like if when people are saying, oh, Saka's got assistant goals, that's what he's there for.

Speaker: That's literally what he's there for.

Speaker: Now, I don't want to downplay it because it's super hard to score goals and make assists, but let's not put it on a fucking like lights and shows and red arrows going above it.

Speaker: The title says Saka's got 10 and 10, like,

Speaker: You know, he did that.

Speaker: Darwin Nunes did that.

Speaker: We got nothing.

Speaker: Nobody heard about it.

Speaker: So, it's, yeah, it means fuck all, to be honest.

Speaker: It means fuck all.

Speaker: It doesn't mean much.

Speaker: I'm probably the only one of, like, only Arsenal fan who just doesn't hold Saka in such high regard.

Speaker: He's a great young player.

Speaker: Great young player.

Speaker: I'm not disputing that.

Speaker: Like, you know, sometimes he can go on decent runs, but sometimes, you know, it's...

Speaker: It's that's the word that hurts me.

Speaker: It's sometimes like, bro, you're at the age where you should be on that all the fucking time.

Speaker: You should be on 15 to 16 goals at this point right now.

Speaker: Just you.

Speaker: Like, just you.

Speaker: Forget the rest of the team.

Speaker: You need to do that for yourself.

Speaker: He's had the chances though as well, hasn't he?

Speaker: Like, I saw the amount, because I watched a bit of the highlights.

Speaker: He had the chances yesterday to at least get two goals on the game.

Speaker: He did.

Speaker: He did.

Speaker: And that's what I mean.

Speaker: Two somewhere else, you know, all of a sudden that 10 looks like an 18 or a 20.

Speaker: Exactly, my point.

Speaker: So it's, you know, until he reaches those numbers, I'm only going to, the most I can realistically say is that he's a very good young player because he hasn't won anything.

Speaker: How young is he?

Speaker: Is he young, young, or is he like 24, young?

Speaker: I think he's like 20, 20 or something.

Speaker: No, he's not that young, is he?

Speaker: Yeah, he's 20, 21.

Speaker: He seems like he's been around for years.

Speaker: But, I mean, I think he's been around for like... Did he start at 16 or 17?

Speaker: When did he start?

Speaker: He was, he must have been about 17, I think.

Speaker: I thought you were going to say 10. 10.

Speaker: Well, yeah, I mean, obviously in the academy standard, didn't it?

Speaker: He left the primary school.

Speaker: He left juniors.

Speaker: Straight to the team, man.

Speaker: But, yeah, so, look, yeah.

Speaker: Maybe I'm too realistic and too brutal.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: Now in this day and age, very quickly, a quick question, because obviously I've mentioned something about Mudrick and Chelsea youth, and you mentioned something about Saka being young.

Speaker: When do we stop classing them as young?

Speaker: You know, like these footballers, what age group do we say, do you know what, that is no longer young?

Speaker: Do you know what I mean?

Speaker: Because 21, 22 is young.

Speaker: You and I, 21, 22 were young.

Speaker: But like, if I'd played football since the age of 16, I've had six years experience in the Premier League, you know, like a Wayne Rooney, for example, or Rashford who came at 16, 17.

Speaker: I think Rashford started at 16.

Speaker: At what point did we stop saying young?

Speaker: Is it up to 21, 22?

Speaker: And then after that, it's prime to 29.

Speaker: And then we're like, okay, he's getting on a bit now, probably 30 to 33.

Speaker: And then 33 upwards, you're like, oh, fuck, he's Ronaldo.

Speaker: I think it should be on years of first team experience.

Speaker: I think that's what it should be based on.

Speaker: Like you said, with Rooney, he was there from 16.

Speaker: So by the time he had his first five years, like 21, when he was 20, 21, you're not young anymore.

Speaker: You're no longer young.

Speaker: You're young in age, but you're no longer young in football.

Speaker: You're not at the age of 21, yeah?

Speaker: After that.

Speaker: No, no, I'm just, yeah, that's it, yeah, that's it.

Speaker: The reason I ask that is, by the way, because I saw a little stat there for, I said to you, Modric, he's had 100 professional games and he turned 23 the other day and I was like, that's not young anymore, you're 23 years old, like no longer can you hide...

Speaker: I'm just a young player.

Speaker: Not at 23.

Speaker: It's not that many games.

Speaker: But like it's 23, 100 games as a professional games is a lot of games.

Speaker: And when you're at 23 years old, you cannot be classed as young anymore for me.

Speaker: No, you can't.

Speaker: Personally, you're 23.

Speaker: Young is 17, 18, up to 20.

Speaker: You've just broken to the team.

Speaker: I don't.

Speaker: Yeah, but sorry.

Speaker: Prison Break is young.

Speaker: Yeah, he's young.

Speaker: Yeah, Connor Bradley's young.

Speaker: Connor Bradley's young.

Speaker: But that's young.

Speaker: But wait, though, I mean, again, surely 100 games at the age of 23 is not really that many games, is it?

Speaker: It's not that many games when you think about it.

Speaker: At the age of 23, I'm saying, because obviously, you know.

Speaker: He came, that's probably, let's say, five years.

Speaker: Let's say he broke into the team at 18.

Speaker: So in five years, I don't even think he broke into the team at 18.

Speaker: What's that, 30 games a year?

Speaker: He should be in about 300 games.

Speaker: So clearly he hasn't been playing maybe injuries.

Speaker: That's what I'm saying.

Speaker: That's what I'm saying.

Speaker: A 23-year-old at 100 professional games, that's not that many games.

Speaker: It is if he's 16.

Speaker: That's like, oh, damn, that is a lot of games.

Speaker: What the fuck?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: What the fuck are you doing?

Speaker: Saka's doing 80 a season, bro.

Speaker: Like, what's his... Yeah, exactly.

Speaker: Well, yeah, because we don't have anyone else.

Speaker: That's the problem.

Speaker: So, but yeah, look, you know... Yeah, for young, by the way, yeah, go on.

Speaker: I wanted to hear your answer.

Speaker: So, youngest for you was if you've played...

Speaker: X amount of experience in the Premier League.

Speaker: Sorry, five years is a bit too much, but I think three years of first-team, like, you know, consistent first-team football, that's when you can't really be classed as young anymore.

Speaker: Because five years is a bit too long, whereas three years can apply to any age group.

Speaker: Well, obviously, under the age of 25 standard, because apparently 25 is the midpoint.

Speaker: 25 seems to be prime.

Speaker: 25 is prime.

Speaker: That is the peak.

Speaker: That is messy.

Speaker: That is creme de la creme, yes.

Speaker: Yeah, that could be your messy years right there.

Speaker: But, yeah, so I think, yeah, with Young, I think even with Saka, I think he's already reached 100 games for Arsenal.

Speaker: I think he got 100 games last year, to be honest with you.

Speaker: Last year, he was like 76 or something he played last year.

Speaker: And they were like, rest Saka, rest Saka.

Speaker: That's incredible.

Speaker: But that's, so again, that's enough now.

Speaker: Like, you're not young anymore.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: I know what you mean, but again, I just don't feel like with Saka, I just don't feel like he's achieved anything to move away from that young status.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Like Walcott was a decent young player, but I still think of him as that.

Speaker: I don't think of Walcott as a good player in general.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Do you know what I mean?

Speaker: I know.

Speaker: I agree.

Speaker: Walcott, that's why I try to make the comparison with Mudrick.

Speaker: Mudrick is a Walcott.

Speaker: He's fast and that's it.

Speaker: That's all he's got.

Speaker: That's all he's got, mate.

Speaker: There is no improvement there at that age.

Speaker: And he's 23.

Speaker: If we're going to see some improvements, we would have seen it by now.

Speaker: This is it.

Speaker: I think Chelsea, to be honest, we need to cut their ties with him.

Speaker: Because even this whole idea of not starting him, this is what I wanted to say as well on Mundryk, is maybe he's playing Madi Waker to kind of keep Mundryk off the team sheet.

Speaker: He'd be like, you need to work your socks off.

Speaker: You need to give me more if you want to be on the starting 11, which I respect.

Speaker: Then again, Madi Waker needs to do the same thing.

Speaker: Yeah, exactly.

Speaker: You need to do that with both.

Speaker: So you might as well start with 10 men.

Speaker: Or play one of your 17 defenders that you bought and play with five at the back and maybe free chill well up a little bit more higher up to do more.

Speaker: But yeah, so anyway, he's doing that.

Speaker: But then even when he comes out, it just doesn't feel like he's given enough.

Speaker: It just seems meh.

Speaker: I'm here.

Speaker: I don't really care about football.

Speaker: And it's just sad to see.

Speaker: I think we need to cut our ties with him, put him on the transfer market or a loan market.

Speaker: And you know what?

Speaker: 80 million was a really bad investment on this guy.

Speaker: If we get 20 million, we'll be lucky to get 20 million for him.

Speaker: Just take 20, cut the rest off and just be like, let's see what we can do.

Speaker: Because we can't rely on players like that.

Speaker: If you have those players at the club, you just can't rely on them.

Speaker: They're just a bad apple.

Speaker: They're going to suck out the energy from everybody else.

Speaker: On the pitch, Cole Palmer had the ball twice today.

Speaker: Modric was free and he just didn't pass to him.

Speaker: He was like, it's no point giving to you because you're going to lose it.

Speaker: so I might as well keep it and try and do something and the one time he did get it he can't really argue yeah he did lose it as well he did lose it yeah like you said I don't think I don't think you know you can't really age can't really come into it anymore because it's past that now so and especially at that price level there must have been a reason why

Speaker: Chelsea paid that money and he hasn't even come close to 10 million of that.

Speaker: That's what they're not even close.

Speaker: Yeah, not even 10 million.

Speaker: 20 million.

Speaker: You're lucky to get 20 million for him.

Speaker: Because Martinelli was 16, 17.

Speaker: No, sorry.

Speaker: He was 18 when he joined Arsenal and he was a lot better than fucking Mudrik has ever been.

Speaker: That was a different time.

Speaker: Different things.

Speaker: You're trying to get Martinelli now.

Speaker: You're paying Mudrik prices, if not more than Mudrik.

Speaker: If not more.

Speaker: Yeah, no, no.

Speaker: I'm saying not.

Speaker: So my point being that obviously Martinelli was younger than Mudrik.

Speaker: When he joined, yeah.

Speaker: You know, when he joined and he just hit the ground running and he was six million, so he's not even close to that.

Speaker: Martinelli, for me, was hungry because I saw the documentary as well and he could see what the managers were saying and the coaches, you know, they're all in or whatever it was, all or nothing Arsenal.

Speaker: All or nothing, yeah.

Speaker: Yeah, and everybody around the stadium and everybody on the coaching staff were saying how good this kid is simply because of his work rate and he wants to improve every day.

Speaker: I get the feeling with the Chelsea players, it's like, yeah, we'll be all right.

Speaker: We'll just turn up.

Speaker: He's not really going to do anything.

Speaker: I'm here for eight years.

Speaker: And that's where you shoot yourself in the foot.

Speaker: So we talked about this last time.

Speaker: It could either be a blessing in disguise or it's going to be pretty much a burden.

Speaker: And at the minute, it's a burden on four or five players who are on a really, really long contract.

Speaker: It's not a good position to be in, to be fair, because obviously, like you said, you've got decisions to make.

Speaker: And for whatever reason, that deal was made with Modric.

Speaker: It should really come to an end.

Speaker: But...

Speaker: Yeah, look, I don't really have much to add for Arsenal because, again, we've got the points and stuff that I've said during the losing streak have obviously just sort of kind of crept up a little bit, especially in that first half because, like, ah, you're not being direct enough.

Speaker: You're just moving it around.

Speaker: Declan Rice just looked very, very lost at points in the game.

Speaker: At points in the game, it was like he was getting pointed out

Speaker: at to be like right can you move a bit more central so I can give you this ball and again it's just not really a declin rice performance that's what I'm saying that's what I'm saying so maybe maybe it was just taking it easy that easier that game against forest just to be like right okay well look I got a bit of a hammy thing going on to maybe I can't scout

Speaker: Maybe, maybe, yeah.

Speaker: The analysis has come over to do the research on Arsenal again.

Speaker: Yeah, Declan Rice, he's two games, but he hasn't been that good.

Speaker: So, you know, he's not really as good as we thought.

Speaker: We just don't care about him.

Speaker: But yeah, I don't know what it was.

Speaker: But obviously, you know, second half, he pulled himself together and he was just, again, I'm not saying he was bad, but there was a couple of moments where it was just like, what are you doing here?

Speaker: Why are you so confused?

Speaker: Why are you not moving in those positions?

Speaker: But like you said, you know, there was a point where Raya was keeping the ball for a long time.

Speaker: And I'm thinking, the other players aren't making a fuss about this.

Speaker: So they know what they're expecting here, you know, for him to keep this ball.

Speaker: So it must be a tactical thing.

Speaker: that he's trying to do and again maybe it was maybe it wasn't I don't know it's not like it worked out but got the win so I was kind of hoping that Chelsea was going to do us a favour but that he did not do us a favour at all for other teams in the past where we've beat the Spurs for Leicester to win we've got Liverpool I think City winning that year with a Gerrard slip and so on when it was Brendan Rodgers so we've been on title deciders

Speaker: we've decided or had something to say about who wins it by beating some teams but now we're not when we are 10 years off i said five years last time with that performance that i watched tonight we are literally 10 years off and we need it depends it depends what you do with those with those players on contracts by the way that's that's why you're saying 10 years these players need to go the reason i say 10 years is those players in contracts and if we ever whenever maybe in the next podcast or something we can do kind of buy sell number i sorry sell keep

Speaker: Bench or start, whatever it is.

Speaker: And to be honest, you're like, I'm looking at that and I don't really know who I would keep.

Speaker: Like, you know, like, of Thiago Silva is the only one who's kind of quality and you think, yeah, keep Thiago.

Speaker: But then he's 39.

Speaker: So where do you make the justification of that?

Speaker: Okay, some chance of him I'll be like, oh, Rhys James.

Speaker: He's an injury prone.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Chilwell, injury prone.

Speaker: Injury prone as well, yeah.

Speaker: I said Badr-Shiela for a long time, but he's been over some terrible, terrible games.

Speaker: I don't know what psychological problems they've got going on and so many injuries.

Speaker: I think Desailly came out and he said a club like Chelsea needs to have the best medical staff.

Speaker: When you're at this level, you need the best medical staff because you cannot have this many injured players waiting to come back.

Speaker: And we're just... We're really, really off it.

Speaker: I think Todd Ball has really fucked us over.

Speaker: I've got a feeling it's going to be even worse.

Speaker: Financial fair play is going to bite us in the ass because nobody's going to buy Conor Gallagher for $80 million that he wants to sell and $50 million for Royer.

Speaker: Because that's what he wants to sell to try and make up for the... Or at least try to fund a striker.

Speaker: It's... And the striker we got, we paid a striker who can't score goals.

Speaker: And we need a striker.

Speaker: So everybody's going to be like, wait till he gets it.

Speaker: This is this... I promise you now, this is the kind of the...

Speaker: general consensus and general feedback you're going to get from all Chelsea fans after today's performance.

Speaker: We didn't have our strongest XI.

Speaker: Wait till Rhys James... It's not good enough anymore, though, is it?

Speaker: It's not good enough.

Speaker: It's not.

Speaker: Because who was missing from this game?

Speaker: Who was literally missing from this game?

Speaker: Our 500 million pound midfield.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Everybody was there.

Speaker: What, apart from Jackson?

Speaker: What's he done apart from being injured?

Speaker: What's he done apart from being injured?

Speaker: What's he done in the sense of you to be like, yeah, but if Rhys James was here, he could do this.

Speaker: Yeah, we won the Champions League.

Speaker: He did something.

Speaker: Since then, he's done nothing because he's been injured majority of the time.

Speaker: Comes back, gets re-injured.

Speaker: Same with Chilwell, got injured.

Speaker: And then you look at Chilwell and you think, are you not going to these challenges because you think you're going to get injured again?

Speaker: And that does come in mind, by the way.

Speaker: You don't want to be sidelined on your own training.

Speaker: But it's time to move on from that player if that's the case.

Speaker: You might have to.

Speaker: If that's the case, you have to.

Speaker: And then be like, I'll see you later, pal, because we've got to go on a different route.

Speaker: Because like I said to you, it's going to keep going.

Speaker: Ruthless and relentless.

Speaker: Look at the place Klopp started with and look at the place he's got now.

Speaker: Nobody ever talks about, oh, he sold Daniel Sturridge or he got rid of Coutinho.

Speaker: Coutinho who, bro?

Speaker: Yeah, exactly.

Speaker: We've won the FA Cup, we've won the Premier League, we've won trophies since Coutinho.

Speaker: And that's the thing with fans.

Speaker: Everybody's trying to get some sentimental value towards the player, but once you sell them and you build a better team and your team that's competitive, fans will always be like, yeah, actually, yeah, this is a good team.

Speaker: We want to have winnings here.

Speaker: Do you know what I mean?

Speaker: Arsenal could have sold Henry if they won the league after that nobody would have been like oh I can't believe we sold Thierry no because we sold Thierry we had the funds we've won the league in 07 08 09 whatever you may have won the league since 2002 1 2 4 4 or is it or 4 you I can't remember when it was the last time you won it sorry I'm sorry no no but I'm just saying like that's what happened same with Liverpool obviously Coutinho was their best player they sold him and did that Chelsea sold Hazard and didn't seem to replace him got Christian Pulisic who's stick thin

Speaker: He's doing all right in Milan.

Speaker: It's not the Premier League.

Speaker: Anything physicality, you need strong players.

Speaker: You need players to compete.

Speaker: And I use that word very, very carefully.

Speaker: You need players to compete.

Speaker: You need people to be up for the challenge.

Speaker: Because if you're not, you just get what you had today and you saw what was today.

Speaker: Didn't turn up.

Speaker: That's the definition of not turning up.

Speaker: I'm not here to compete.

Speaker: I'm just here to make up the numbers.

Speaker: Yeah, clearly.

Speaker: Yeah, get my paycheck and just shoot off.

Speaker: Yeah, Rick,

Speaker: Like I said, I've got nothing else to add on my team.

Speaker: Obviously, this was fun and I hope listeners have had fun listening to this.

Speaker: For the neutral, obviously, for the Chelsea fans, there's things to think about for sure.

Speaker: There's a lot of things to think about from players to manager to ownership to finances, everything in just every department seems to be falling apart.

Speaker: But yeah, look, obviously, you know,

Speaker: Like we said, there's going to be an instant reaction, so we're not going to keep it too long like our normal podcasts.

Speaker: Rick, do you have anything else you want to say about anything more interesting that you've seen tonight from football?

Speaker: You're joking.

Speaker: I haven't seen nothing interesting tonight.

Speaker: I wasn't surprised to see Spurs win 3-2.

Speaker: I was surprised to see Spurs win, especially after losing 1-0 first half, but

Speaker: Anyway, they're doing their bit.

Speaker: They're in the top four now.

Speaker: And it just pisses me off to see Spurs win and Chelsea lose.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Do you know what I mean?

Speaker: You know?

Speaker: Obviously, I'm sure you had that for a couple of years when Spurs were getting Champions League football and you weren't.

Speaker: You just said, fucking hell, are we that bad?

Speaker: Are we that bad?

Speaker: But reality is, we are that bad, so...

Speaker: it's sad bro it's sad I've literally got nothing because I could keep going on about and pick different moments all the time but yeah I'm going to stay away from it now because it's just it's just you said you've let it all out you can go to sleep a bit easier tonight go easy I can sleep less grey because you won't be waking up you know with sweating nightmares and like you know scaring your wife because you're like fucking Sterling oh shit I think I'm going to sleep Sterling who?

Speaker: Raheem!

Speaker: apart from the government I'm actually like where was Raheem?

Speaker: Yeah, exactly.

Speaker: Exactly my point.

Speaker: That's you shouting at Raheem like, Raheem, where are you?

Speaker: There he is.

Speaker: That's why you're waking up in cold sweats, bro.

Speaker: Because you can't find Raheem.

Speaker: I don't even think Poch can find Raheem.

Speaker: I think he's still trying to substitute me.

Speaker: He doesn't know he's lost him in Anfield somewhere.

Speaker: Somewhere in Bradley's pocket.

Speaker: Yeah, somewhere around there for sure.

Speaker: But yeah, so obviously we'll be back on the weekend after another round of football.

Speaker: And yeah, we'll have some chats.

Speaker: And obviously that'll be probably a longer one anyway because

Speaker: Hopefully by then you would have calmed your nerves.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Talk about some happier thoughts and whatnot.

Speaker: It'll be interesting to see what the referees say as well about VAR and whether those decisions.

Speaker: You know, these referees, when they invite them on the sports shows and they kind of say, like, is it a penalty?

Speaker: Is it not a penalty?

Speaker: Howard Webb usually does that, doesn't he?

Speaker: Yeah, he does that.

Speaker: And obviously he's the head of the referees.

Speaker: What is it?

Speaker: PGMOL.

Speaker: PGMOL, yeah.

Speaker: He's part of that.

Speaker: So it'll be interesting to hear what he says.

Speaker: Because I still stand by it.

Speaker: Like when our friend said, oh, it's a dramatic fall.

Speaker: Like I still stand by it.

Speaker: The fall is not important.

Speaker: You know, especially with VAR.

Speaker: I can understand it normal when there's no... Especially when Jota did it like two weeks ago and he literally, you know, he was swimming out there in mid-air.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: So, do you know what I mean?

Speaker: That's the kind of things.

Speaker: But Liverpool fans for you, like, oh, no, it's dramatic.

Speaker: Like, strata penalties, just the fall was dramatic.

Speaker: I'm not asking you to judge the fall, bro.

Speaker: I'm asking you to judge the fall.

Speaker: I'm just trying to make it.

Speaker: I feel like when I'm in the group and we're all chatting, I just feel like maybe I'm maybe not

Speaker: a biggest fan of Arsenal compared to how much fans you are of your teams?

Speaker: Because I'm always fair.

Speaker: I'm always like, ah, fuck it.

Speaker: You know, that was a dive or whatever it is.

Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker: But I try to be.

Speaker: I feel like I'm the most unbiased because they, let me tell you why.

Speaker: Let me tell you why.

Speaker: Because those two brothers are just like, right through and through.

Speaker: Them two are like, damn, straight jump the gun.

Speaker: They'll hit you in the balls type shit.

Speaker: Whereas like, yeah, but your team's 10th.

Speaker: Always.

Speaker: Every conversation.

Speaker: And it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker: I think one of them did it yesterday with an Arsenal fact.

Speaker: I can't remember what it was.

Speaker: Oh, yeah, sorry.

Speaker: I missed the chat.

Speaker: Go and tell me because it was like, when I clicked on it, it was like 36 convos messages.

Speaker: I was like, I don't know.

Speaker: I'm not going to go through this.

Speaker: So let's press this out and go straight to the bottom.

Speaker: So I think I put up a stat that said something like 11, 12 and 11 points, Chelsea and Liverpool respectively.

Speaker: have won since game week 17 or something.

Speaker: So I think Liverpool 12, Chelsea 11.

Speaker: So I put it up to say, like, fucking I can't believe, like, you know, Chelsea have actually done quite well in the recent times.

Speaker: So I put that up and one of them messages back and it goes...

Speaker: Yeah, but Arsenal are actually, you know, they've got seven points from the last whatever it is.

Speaker: I'm like, bro, I'm just pointing this up.

Speaker: Just enjoy this tab, bro.

Speaker: Comment on this tab.

Speaker: I was like, damn, Chelsea or Campbell.

Speaker: I actually don't know why they do that.

Speaker: i was like 38 is not very good for the team he's like he's better than kaysedo 150 i was like i'm not saying he's not we're not comparing him to my guys you know what i mean we're comparing it to like anybody else who's i'm gonna i'm gonna take i'm gonna take the pleasure of being the most unbiased out of all of you because you do get

Speaker: a bit, you know, with Chelsea, you do get a bit like... I think I'm the most unbiased.

Speaker: Yeah, but that's obvious.

Speaker: Two Champions Leagues, you've got to say, do you know what I mean?

Speaker: You throw Invincible at us all the time.

Speaker: I said to you, I said... That was the question that you asked, right?

Speaker: And I've never thrown... That's because you're biased.

Speaker: That's why you said that is fair.

Speaker: That is the way I feel about the achievement.

Speaker: That is the way I feel because, like I said, there is no team nowadays that's going to go...

Speaker: zero fucking matches being unbeaten.

Speaker: Like, it's just not going to happen.

Speaker: You can go on a good, like, unbeaten streak.

Speaker: You went 38 matches in the Premier League unbeaten, but you got beaten everything else for that season.

Speaker: We're talking about the league.

Speaker: We're talking literally.

Speaker: That's what they got the invincible trophy for, for that league.

Speaker: They didn't get it for the... They'll never win.

Speaker: It's like,

Speaker: Your invincible season is my two Champions League.

Speaker: It's Liverpool's 100 and so many points.

Speaker: By the way, never mentioned the invincible title, not once.

Speaker: To me, I'm biased.

Speaker: It's being fair when you're watching the game.

Speaker: It's not about comparing to old achievements.

Speaker: I think comparing to old achievements is when you've got nothing else to argue about.

Speaker: So then you come back and be like, yeah, but we're the league.

Speaker: It's difficult for you to kind of say anything because you haven't done much for like 10 years, 12 years.

Speaker: I'm just saying, I still don't bring up the past.

Speaker: I still don't bring up the past.

Speaker: We've won the FA Cups.

Speaker: We're record holders of that.

Speaker: We're record holders of that, so happy days.

Speaker: I still take that, but I've never used it.

Speaker: I've never used it because I don't need to.

Speaker: So I'm going to take the...

Speaker: We'll get listeners to decide who's the most unbiased out of all, but I think I'm going to take that title, unfortunately.

Speaker: So, you know, it is what it is.

Speaker: You are unbiased towards your team.

Speaker: There are some times you are biased, but majority of the times you're very unbiased and you kind of don't have that.

Speaker: Unbiased when the referee decisions go against my team.

Speaker: And the only time, I think, in the group, in comparison, I think the only times that I've made a big deal is them...

Speaker: two fucking situations.

Speaker: One against Newcastle with the ball being out.

Speaker: And West Ham.

Speaker: I think it's funny because you rarely get to that point.

Speaker: And I'm like, is this guy even an Arsenal fan?

Speaker: And then when you get like that, I'm like, ah, there he is.

Speaker: There he is.

Speaker: He's pulling up that cord.

Speaker: It's really pulling up that cord.

Speaker: It's just like... Injustice right there.

Speaker: I feel that's the thing though, isn't it?

Speaker: When you watch football and your team is doing well or your team is about to achieve something, you see injustice, you're like, fucking hell, ref.

Speaker: or vice versa your team's not doing well you need a blatant blatant i think yeah that's the problem well that's it when it's when you can see with your own eyes you're not even an elite referee you're like come on that's a foul the commentator says it's a foul the guys who are analyzing the other studio says it's a foul or the ball is out or whatever it may be like so what is the referee watching and what are the people at varsity and yeah and makes you ask questions yeah but it makes you frustrated more than anything as well because you're like it's and then you go you bring that albanian out in you and be like it's

Speaker: game is sold they've sold corrupted our year yeah yeah yeah refs have been paid off for sure typical albanian stuff that's what we do it out there i think it's eastern europeans i've seen italians yeah southern europe yeah they're all like yeah but it's actually true though actually

Speaker: Italians, they actually mean what they say.

Speaker: Rick, if you've got nothing else to add, man, we'll bring it to an end because my Mac is just warning me.

Speaker: Do you know what?

Speaker: Let me just put this on charge.

Speaker: No, he's going to put the Mac on charge.

Speaker: I was hoping it was going to be a 45-minute one, to be fair, but now we're in something.

Speaker: So 15 minutes over, this is better than what we usually do.

Speaker: Usually, yeah, usually.

Speaker: So that's quite good.

Speaker: But, you know, it was a difficult night for you tonight.

Speaker: So, you know, you have to vent them feelings, and you did.

Speaker: That's exactly what you did.

Speaker: Yeah, I'll be more angry than I was, but I think I calmed down when I kept thinking about the performance and being like, you know what?

Speaker: Maybe when you listen back to your voice notes and to this podcast, you probably read this.

Speaker: I think it's the voice notes.

Speaker: I think it's the fact that I got it out in the voice notes.

Speaker: Because if I didn't get all the voice notes out of it.

Speaker: Should I include some of the voice notes out in the podcast?

Speaker: Are you sure?

Speaker: I'll put them right at the beginning.

Speaker: No, I don't include those voice notes.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Those are private.

Speaker: Those are private.

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