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Speaker: Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the eighth episode of the Forged in Light Destiny podcast.
Speaker: Tonight, we are going to be doing something a little different.
Speaker: We're going to be calling these New Light Plus.
Speaker: It's going to be
Speaker: a little different take.
Speaker: We're not going to spend most of our time talking about destiny.
Speaker: We're actually going to branch off and talk about other interests of ours and, and just have some fun with it because we, we really do spend a lot of time together and we do enjoy banter back and forth.
Speaker: So we, we hope you guys enjoy it just as much as we do.
Speaker: So we're going to, we're going to try something different tonight.
Speaker: The light lives in all places and all things.
Speaker: You can block it, even try to trap it, but the light always finds its way because we are forged in light.
Speaker: Hello.
Speaker: How's it going?
Speaker: Hi.
Speaker: Hello.
Speaker: What are we doing?
Speaker: So, so like, I know we talked about Starfield a little bit in the last game, but are the last podcast.
Speaker: But I read that only 10% of the planets are actually going to have like
Speaker: NPCs and shit to do on it which is kinda everything else is gonna be procedurally generated which is kinda I hope it doesn't suck I think I'm okay with it I'm perfectly fine with it I mean you gotta look at it this way no one has visited every planet in No Man's Sky and that game has supposedly to this point unless maybe somebody has and I don't know I haven't kept up with gaming news of that game I love No Man's Sky don't get me wrong but
Speaker: Has everyone visited every planet and solar system in that game?
Speaker: You know, the chances of, yeah, they're probably very slim to none, or maybe like one or two people possibly, or a streamer maybe, but I don't know of anyone who has done that yet.
Speaker: So, I mean, a hundred planets with life out of a thousand.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Would you like to maybe have plants that have foliage maybe?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But I think a hundred plants is still doable.
Speaker: And maybe he means that loosely.
Speaker: Maybe it's like at launch of game, it's only going to have 100 planets that are going to have actual life on it.
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, you could say 100 planets, but it could potentially be more like they just have quest lines that go to a planet that literally just has one fucking dude standing by a lake that you got to go talk to.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: And realistically, I mean, there are dead planets and planets that are uninhabitable and are
Speaker: universe that we know of so it's safe to assume that there are probably more planets that can't inhabit life than planets that can't inhabit life so with that being said I don't know I think over time they'll probably add like no man's sky system where they could add more life to planets eventually once the game like is around for at least a year possibly and they have the server space and patches and all that stuff and updates already get launched so sure
Speaker: Well, I mean, a planet doesn't have to have life for it to be interesting.
Speaker: There could be other hazards and stuff like that that pose some sort of challenge for you, resources that you need to gather that are specific to one planet.
Speaker: And it's like, you've got to find that planet that's got that resource that you need to build the balls on your dildo ship or something.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: It's going to be awesome.
Speaker: Johnson.
Speaker: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker: Mars Johnson.
Speaker: But it's like, I mean, I know people were kind of upset when that was announced, but it was like, like you touched on Crimson.
Speaker: It's like, it's still a hundred planets out of a thousand that have life.
Speaker: And I mean, we don't, we don't know what the lifeless air quotes planets are going to be like.
Speaker: So it could, they could be just as interesting as the ones with life.
Speaker: So yeah.
Speaker: Can you imagine a planet from Star Wars, like Mustafar, like a whole volcano planet or like an all ice planet where there's no life, but you get your shit fucked up if you fall into a cabin or something.
Speaker: Yeah, and volcanic activity is one of the things I was thinking, and, you know, sort of like a water planet or something like that, that, you know, water, but there's no life or something like that.
Speaker: Like a water world?
Speaker: Kevin Costner?
Speaker: Fucking Kevin Costner is doing it.
Speaker: Kevin Costner is lifeless, so we could include him in it.
Speaker: He'll be a better planet.
Speaker: So what does kind of excite me, like thinking about it, like taking a step back, like, yeah, sure.
Speaker: 10% is not a lot, but yeah, 100 planets.
Speaker: is a lot that would have stuff on.
Speaker: But that just means that now 900 planets are blank canvases for modders.
Speaker: There's crazy mods on Skyrim, on Fallout, that completely change up the game.
Speaker: And now these crazy modders that spend all this time making this great content for a PC have blank slates to just do whatever they want with an entire planet, which seems cool.
Speaker: I think it's a smart choice because like I said, I mean, with initial launch, they're going to have to see how the game does.
Speaker: They're going to have to weed out and like iron out all the glitches or issues that the game is going to have at launch, at least the first year.
Speaker: And then after that, once the game is balanced for the community and it's running like at its peak potential,
Speaker: There's nothing stopping them from being able to just patch a few plants here and there a few months because I'm sure it's still a it is a big daunting thing to have to code all that stuff into a game without affecting the game universe itself probably.
Speaker: So but I'm sure they're going to eventually be able to just like add a few more like life, even if it's just foliage or like small animals or stuff like that.
Speaker: If the modding community can create a skin for Alduin as he's flying around as Macho Man Randy Savage, shouting out, step into a Slim Jim, then I have so much.
Speaker: My expectations for the modding community for this game are just through the roof.
Speaker: The possibilities are endless.
Speaker: That's going to be giant.
Speaker: I can't wait.
Speaker: Did you ever wind up playing that game from, I don't know who made it, but it was a Skyrim mod that wound up turning into a full-fledged game?
Speaker: Like, they actually turned it, oh, God, it was on Game Pass for a while.
Speaker: It was a Golden Chalice or something chalice, wasn't it?
Speaker: It was something like that.
Speaker: Let me look it up.
Speaker: I think it's still on Game Pass.
Speaker: I think it is, too.
Speaker: Skyrim mod turned game.
Speaker: The Forgotten City.
Speaker: The Forgotten City.
Speaker: Man, that game was so good.
Speaker: That mod won awards for just great writing because it was just such... It was a great game.
Speaker: If you haven't played it, play it.
Speaker: Take 20 hours of your life and go play that game because it was well worth it.
Speaker: That's just that, you know, with it being available on PC, yeah, and it being a Bethesda game, like you said, it's only going to take a matter of months before modders get their hands on it and they don't manage to be able to mod it up.
Speaker: And shit, I wouldn't be surprised if eventually we could, like, fly the ship from, like, Spaceballs and that'll be one of your ships or something like that.
Speaker: You're going to be able to do everything.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Those modders are nuts, man.
Speaker: Love it, dude.
Speaker: Love it.
Speaker: I remember there was a huge mod in Skyrim where you could play as a certain class that wasn't available to anyone in the game.
Speaker: And I think eventually they... I think it was like some vampiric storyline or something like that.
Speaker: You fall... You become a vampire wolf.
Speaker: Oh no, I never played Skyrim that much, so I can't tell off the top of my head.
Speaker: But I know there was definitely a few storylines that you weren't allowed to play as that certain character or class or breed or...
Speaker: creature and they they modded it for you to do that yeah it was kind of a choose your own adventure where at the beginning of the new expansion you would choose to either become a vampire or fight the vampires so okay and it was like it was a really it was a really fun expansion i really enjoyed that one too okay see so you yeah you played that then more than i did
Speaker: Yeah, it's been ages since I played Skyrim.
Speaker: It was probably like seven renditions ago.
Speaker: Yeah, here's the thing for me in Skyrim.
Speaker: I've bought Skyrim on like four different platforms and I always play like 30, 40 hours into it and I only ever get past like
Speaker: my getting like my second dragon shout and then i'm just getting lost in the sauce of just like exploration and then i'm like all right i'm 60 hours in and i've only explored the game and i haven't done the fourth or fifth mission but like fuck it i'm good it's the same thing with like witcher 3 for me like i constantly buy witcher 3 like the game of the year edition and then i'll play it for a good 30 40 hours and then i just put it down i'm like all right that's enough for me
Speaker: That was a good game.
Speaker: I really enjoyed The Witcher.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That series in general is a good series.
Speaker: I never played the DLC for that.
Speaker: No, my first venture into anything from CDPR was Cyberpunk.
Speaker: Like I'd seen a bunch of clips from, I'd seen a bunch of clips from The Witcher.
Speaker: It looks like an awesome game.
Speaker: I've heard nothing but good things, but I never, I just never picked it up.
Speaker: So.
Speaker: Hmm.
Speaker: It's really good.
Speaker: You could get like the ultimate edition.
Speaker: Yeah, if you get Witcher 3, I mean, keep your eye out for it.
Speaker: You could get the full like Game of the Year edition.
Speaker: It has every DLC, every like add-on to it.
Speaker: Probably for like nine bucks an hour.
Speaker: It's always on sale for like, it'll be 20 bucks for a while.
Speaker: And then all of a sudden it'll go back down to like five or nine bucks.
Speaker: It's a fucking massive game.
Speaker: It's like a 200 hour game.
Speaker: If you want to like do everything in it, it's it's fucking massive.
Speaker: I don't recommend it if you're if you don't want to put that much time into it, but it is a good game.
Speaker: I'll give you my word.
Speaker: Definitely.
Speaker: But segueing off a star field.
Speaker: It was saying, so I don't know if you guys have really been keeping up with the FTC versus Microsoft legal battle that's been going on right now.
Speaker: Oh, I have.
Speaker: It's been going.
Speaker: Phil Spencer said that PlayStation was trying to get Starfield to be an exclusive.
Speaker: They were going to pay off Bethsaida to make them skip Xbox for Starfield.
Speaker: That's what Phil Spencer jumped in.
Speaker: He was like, whoa, whoa, whoa there, buckaroo.
Speaker: They wouldn't have been able to.
Speaker: Yeah, Microsoft would have had to sign off on that.
Speaker: That's the thing because they own it.
Speaker: No, because they did it with Deathloop.
Speaker: They did it with Ghostwire.
Speaker: They paid off.
Speaker: Before they acquired ZeniMax, they were paying off those guys to be like, yo, Ghostwire, not going to Xbox.
Speaker: That's PlayStation exclusive.
Speaker: Which is fun.
Speaker: That's fun.
Speaker: Not going to Xbox.
Speaker: But now they own ZeniMax.
Speaker: So Microsoft, now Microsoft gets to say, but prior to that, PlayStation was paying off other developers to say, fuck Xbox.
Speaker: Don't give them that game.
Speaker: Well, yeah, what they acquired Bethesda about four or five years ago and Deathloop came out two years ago and it takes about for AAA game about three to four, maybe five years of development depending on the size of the game.
Speaker: So yeah, Deathloop and Ghostwire Tokyo, whatever it's called.
Speaker: I could see those being outside or like prior, you know, BM, you know, before Microsoft.
Speaker: That's why they were able to get those exclusivities.
Speaker: IBS.
Speaker: But yeah, I think Starfield started production just right after they purchased Bethesda Zenimax.
Speaker: But I don't know.
Speaker: That whole situation is kind of annoying because neither company, I think,
Speaker: is great.
Speaker: I love the product they have in the hardware they provide us.
Speaker: Yes, if I could, I would own all systems, all consoles and all that stuff.
Speaker: I would love to, but they're really fucking expensive.
Speaker: So right now at this point in this generation, I have to pick and choose.
Speaker: And then if I could find PS5 on a good sale, I will pick one up.
Speaker: But it's just really annoying to me that
Speaker: Like he said, she said like banter and shit.
Speaker: Like I said, Microsoft's not perfect.
Speaker: They're not great.
Speaker: They do shady shit too.
Speaker: I mean, they're a business and there's a reason why they're one of the biggest corporations in the world because to get to that point, you have to be able to fucking step on smaller companies anyways.
Speaker: But Sony does the same stuff and it's just this constant banter and bickering between one another and
Speaker: The whole like PlayStation or Sony saying that or even FTC saying that Microsoft is going to monopolize an industry is I think is shitty.
Speaker: Like, I don't think that's true at all, because if there has been any monopolization, we could say in a way exclusivities do as much as you don't want to believe exclusivities tend to like kind of run.
Speaker: where the gaming community is going to go to for like the first year of a generation, like first year life of a generation of a new generation console.
Speaker: So and PlayStation is good at it.
Speaker: But then again, PlayStation does.
Speaker: I'll give it to them.
Speaker: They provide a good product.
Speaker: So is it really the exclusivity or is it the direction that these publishing houses are going and what direction are given to because
Speaker: It's not all PlayStation's fault.
Speaker: Hey, it's like, if they're able to, they put out a good product with their studios, you can't fucking shit on them for having good, good direction, good, good ideas.
Speaker: Now I know Microsoft may be annoyed by that, but it's like, well, then you gotta direct your publishers and your, your development teams on what to do, because you can't just expect them just because you're Microsoft and you give them a huge budget doesn't mean that they could just provide an awesome fucking triple A like
Speaker: experience like a last of us two or for um horizon forbidden west or whatever no but at the same time it's like sony's business practices sort of put a bad taste in your mouth how many times has like games that we play have that are cross-platform they have playstation exclusives like both call of duty uh modern warfare and cold war or whatever it was
Speaker: They had exclusive content that was only available on PlayStation, and it was only on PlayStation for the first year of that game's release.
Speaker: So by the time it was finally released to Xbox and PC, the game was kind of old, and it was like, I don't really play...
Speaker: that part of the multiplayer on Call of Duty anymore.
Speaker: It's more like Warzone or whatever you were locked in on.
Speaker: But they do that constantly.
Speaker: And it's just like this... I don't know.
Speaker: I hate... I've played Xbox almost exclusively since high school.
Speaker: And...
Speaker: It's so annoying.
Speaker: It's so annoying when there's a part of a game like a legitimate... It's not even like a skin or a gun.
Speaker: It's like a full-on multiplayer game type that's PlayStation exclusive for 365 days.
Speaker: And then by the time it's out, it's like, oh, cool, I want to try this.
Speaker: Nobody's playing it because it's already played out and everybody was on PlayStation that was playing was like, ah, this, you know, it's, it's okay.
Speaker: But it's like, I want to figure that out for myself.
Speaker: I don't want to read about guys on PlayStation that were like, yeah, it kind of sucked or no, it was cool as hell, but nobody plays it anymore.
Speaker: And it's like, I don't know.
Speaker: It's annoying.
Speaker: It's really annoying.
Speaker: Like, then that leads me to my question is, do you think that's more detrimental than a company like the size of Microsoft purchasing smaller publishers like Activision Blizzard?
Speaker: Not that Activision Blizzard are small.
Speaker: But in comparison to Microsoft, yes, Activision Blizzard are are small.
Speaker: Do you think that's more detrimental when like they do lock out an exclusive like just content to to a console than just locking out the entire game to a console?
Speaker: What's more detrimental, you think, in the lifespan of a game, especially with live service games becoming the more the norm now?
Speaker: No, and I totally agree with that.
Speaker: If I was somebody who played PlayStation exclusively and I saw Starfield coming out, I'd be pretty pissed.
Speaker: I'm not going to lie.
Speaker: I'd be very upset that that is an Xbox and PC exclusive.
Speaker: It looks awesome.
Speaker: I want to try it.
Speaker: But unless I go spend the $500 plus for a new system or buy a used system or whatever, it's like...
Speaker: that's gatekeeping in a way, and it sucks.
Speaker: And I think I pay attention to the things that Sony does because it upsets me as much as it does.
Speaker: But I'm sure Microsoft is doing similar stuff that I'm just not paying attention to because it doesn't affect me as much as what Sony does.
Speaker: Because whenever they lock something out, that's like, hey, what the hell?
Speaker: What about me?
Speaker: But with Microsoft, I'm directly benefiting from it.
Speaker: So I'm not like...
Speaker: I totally recognize my bias and like, I get it, but I mean, I don't, it just, it feels Sony's approach feels childish and kind of like little backstabby and it's, it's shitty.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: You can clearly see like through most of these, like the trial and shit that yeah, Microsoft wants to make more money.
Speaker: Like that's what every corporation wants to do.
Speaker: They want to make money, but Microsoft isn't going to do it by being like, I'm going to pay you $50 million only release this game on here.
Speaker: Or when you release this game, have this game, you know what I mean?
Speaker: Like don't, don't go gatekeep this from Xbox to make people come to play.
Speaker: They're like, whatever you can have our games.
Speaker: You don't give a shit.
Speaker: Just give us our money.
Speaker: Which is, I mean, at least they're open about that.
Speaker: Like, yeah, we're just here to make money.
Speaker: Like, we don't, we don't give a shit.
Speaker: Like, we want to be able to stay relevant in this.
Speaker: Because they keep claiming through this entire, like, FTC battle that Microsoft is the third, third place for the consoles.
Speaker: That Nintendo and Sony rank above them.
Speaker: I do believe that.
Speaker: I do believe that.
Speaker: I think that that rings true.
Speaker: Today is the 28th.
Speaker: And it's funny that we're talking about this because the CEO, and this is probably just a few hours ago, the CEO of Microsoft came out publicly and even stated that...
Speaker: He does not believe in console hardware or I guess of the dealings and market of video game consoles.
Speaker: He doesn't believe that it's a good business tactic for Microsoft just because they're not on the top of their game.
Speaker: Now, I think that's kind of a babyish approach, too.
Speaker: I'm like, well, is that more because you're losing the console or you're approaching it that way, too?
Speaker: Like, I feel like you have the tools and resources to be a really big hitter.
Speaker: I mean, no matter what, at the end of the day, even if they are losing console where they're still the top, they're still the third console in line for the console like races, which is what I mean, that is.
Speaker: Those are the only three brands that we really care about.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Nintendo, Sony and Xbox.
Speaker: It's not like there's like.
Speaker: 10 different types of fucking consoles out there anyways.
Speaker: Yeah, is there even any more?
Speaker: I mean, like, we had Stadia for, like, five minutes, and that crashed and burned, like, the fucking Zeppelin.
Speaker: Yeah, so, like, what are we really talking about?
Speaker: And that's what I, like, yeah, okay, I get it, CEO.
Speaker: You feel like the money isn't there anymore for video game consoles for the Microsoft then, but at the same time, that is a huge revenue source still.
Speaker: How many people are on Game Pass?
Speaker: How many people have bought your consoles this season alone just because they couldn't find PlayStation 5s?
Speaker: They...
Speaker: Even if they just like, oh man, I didn't want an Xbox, but I got to get one.
Speaker: Even if that was the case.
Speaker: Hey, they still fucking bought a $500, $600 system from you guys.
Speaker: So that still has to amount to something.
Speaker: So that kind of irked me when he made that comment.
Speaker: But it is what it is.
Speaker: I think...
Speaker: that they're still very viable, but I do believe that they are probably on the bottom of the totem pole because we forget Nintendo, be it that they may be behind in the hardware technology side of things, their nostalgia alone for Nintendo is what fucking makes them... Dude, I still firmly believe that the only thing that keeps Nintendo alive is nostalgia because that console and all the games on it
Speaker: are terrible in my opinion.
Speaker: There hasn't been a great game.
Speaker: Other than the newer Zelda games, can you name a decent game on there?
Speaker: Well, I mean, the Mario games are good.
Speaker: But that's the thing, you're right.
Speaker: Is a Mario game good?
Speaker: Yeah, Super Mario Odyssey.
Speaker: You're 100% nostalgic.
Speaker: You're just playing it because it's Mario.
Speaker: Now that's like...
Speaker: Tomato, tomato.
Speaker: Like, yeah, it's a Mario game, but like the new IP, the new form, like Mario Odyssey, when they came out, that was fucking awesome.
Speaker: That was a new take on Mario.
Speaker: That's like the same equivalent, like when Mario Sunshine launched on Nintendo on the N64.
Speaker: So like, it's a good game, but now how many times are they going to milk that aspect of that game?
Speaker: You know, like the whole Mario Odyssey template.
Speaker: I mean, they did just have another direct and they have some pretty cool ideas coming out.
Speaker: But once again, it's another 2D platforming Mario game.
Speaker: It looks like something that would be on the DS.
Speaker: And I'm like, now that's going to be a $70 game.
Speaker: And you know what?
Speaker: People, because of nostalgia, will buy a $70 fucking Nintendo DS game on the Switch.
Speaker: I feel like Nintendo shouldn't... Their sales and what they do, awesome.
Speaker: I'm happy for them.
Speaker: I feel like they're not even in the same...
Speaker: Like, it's not the same genre.
Speaker: That Venn diagram overlaps PlayStation and Xbox.
Speaker: Like, people that buy an Xbox would also maybe buy a PlayStation and vice versa.
Speaker: People that bought a PlayStation might also buy an Xbox.
Speaker: I don't think there's a whole lot of overlap between the people that would buy a PlayStation or Xbox and the people that would buy a Switch.
Speaker: It's not the same crowd.
Speaker: It's like...
Speaker: It's such a specific market.
Speaker: Like you were saying, they do definitely cater to nostalgia and stuff like that.
Speaker: But it's like a lot of their IPs are proprietary.
Speaker: Like...
Speaker: you're not going to play a Mario game on anything that doesn't say Nintendo on the box.
Speaker: And that's just the way they've always been.
Speaker: And it's, they've been around for a long time and they're still killing it.
Speaker: So it's like, I don't know.
Speaker: I just, I feel like the real battle is between PlayStation and Xbox and,
Speaker: And it's just, it's like, I, I'll be honest, 10 years ago, I didn't think we were ever going to get some, I never thought cross-platform would be a thing.
Speaker: I never thought it would.
Speaker: And the reason I thought it never would be is because I thought PlayStation would stop it somehow.
Speaker: And that, like, I, I just never saw them saying like, yeah, sure.
Speaker: We can, we'll let you guys play.
Speaker: a game that's on PlayStation with people who are on Xbox.
Speaker: I just, I never thought that would be a thing.
Speaker: Well, they did.
Speaker: They, so they do.
Speaker: The only way they made that happen is that every developer that wants to make a game cross-platform has to pay extra money
Speaker: to Sony to allow it.
Speaker: So when you got Destiny going to be cross-play, you got Call of Duty that's cross-play, those developers need to go to Sony and say, hey, we're going to make this cross-play across all platforms.
Speaker: They say, well, you got to pay the premium.
Speaker: You got to get premium gas now.
Speaker: You're getting 93, motherfucker.
Speaker: You're paying extra.
Speaker: So...
Speaker: They don't make it easy.
Speaker: That's why a lot of the smaller games don't do it because Sony gatekeeps it.
Speaker: It's only for the rich over there.
Speaker: Is there a reason behind it other than just money?
Speaker: I understand it's a corporation.
Speaker: Their goal is to make as much money as possible.
Speaker: I just don't understand how anybody can defend them.
Speaker: Microsoft is by far the bigger company.
Speaker: I totally understand that.
Speaker: They're the big bad here.
Speaker: that everybody like, oh, you know, fuck Microsoft.
Speaker: But like, I don't see Microsoft doing this kind of shitty stuff, but in the same breath, they don't really have to because PC and Xbox are like one in the same at this point.
Speaker: Like, those were always going to be able to be cross-platform.
Speaker: PlayStation's the exception.
Speaker: So, I don't know.
Speaker: It just...
Speaker: I nobody it would take a very compelling argument for me to be like, yeah, you know what?
Speaker: You're right.
Speaker: I totally agree with what Sony's doing.
Speaker: I don't think it's really, it's really, really hard to say because I've never been one.
Speaker: I've never gotten involved the whole console war generation.
Speaker: I kid a lot of people on T's people like, Oh yeah, Xbox better than PlayStation.
Speaker: PlayStation is better than PC, PC master race, all that bullshit.
Speaker: Like I've always been very annoyed and irked by that.
Speaker: Even though I grew up playing PC games, you know,
Speaker: as i think most of us you us three at least we're in that age group you know where we grew up playing doom on dos uh fucking quake and all that shit so for longest time bring back caesar yeah for the longest time the fucking master race was pc people forget like we had only nintendo sega and super nintendo and there was never a world where we thought a console would be able to compete with pc and
Speaker: or would be considered to be on the same level or have the quality of games that we have now available on consoles so yeah i think it's very shitty that sona keeps on pulling these tactics and it really makes you wonder how much of this is just more politically driven now at this point because the ftc's involvement constantly in this there should be no involvement on their and the federal trade commission should not be getting involved with this unless they have their hand in the pocket in some way shape or form and that's what i feel is being
Speaker: is more important at this more important at this point is that people aren't paying attention to that i'm like what what why does it behoove the ftc so fucking much to get involved in this stuff and how and like the fact that they keep on saying these words like oh xbox is created a monopoly they're going to become a monopoly if they take if they buy activision blizzard i'm like no they won't they won't but okay and like where's your proof where are the numbers like show me why
Speaker: It's Call of Duty, dude.
Speaker: Ultimately, during this trial, they brought up Call of Duty so many fucking times because they're afraid that they're going to go back to what PlayStation used to do.
Speaker: Oh, guess what?
Speaker: Call of Duty is going to be available one month ahead of Microsoft on Sony.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: and that's what it is they're afraid that if microsoft gets activision they're gonna fucking hold like bogard call of duty which is call of duty even that big anyway is this still like the biggest game that people watch on twitch is it still like war zone i know the original war zone just got shut down or is gonna get shut down the original like war zone like
Speaker: v1 version one but um i don't i mean i'm sure warzone is big i know dr d is off of it tim the tatter is off of it uh that's a lot of controversy though that's they're not off it because the game's dead they're off it because nick merks had made some comments and uh
Speaker: Whoever, Activision or whoever, didn't like it, so they pulled all of his content.
Speaker: He had a character skin on there.
Speaker: They pulled that down.
Speaker: Dr. Disrespect and Tim the Tatman.
Speaker: Dr. Disrespect uninstalled the game.
Speaker: Tim the Tatman said, take my skin off the store.
Speaker: I don't want any of my stuff on there anymore.
Speaker: So this is like...
Speaker: Along with all the other game drama that's going on right now, there's also this.
Speaker: Along with, you know, everybody getting ready.
Speaker: Yeah, Council Wars are turning into, like, actual wars where people are going to start, like, waiting outside of developer studios with pitchforks and torches.
Speaker: Like, we're going to go kill the Frankenstein.
Speaker: Civil War 2.
Speaker: So all that aside, though, like with the whole Nick Merck drama and all that stuff, which I like, whatever, tomato, tomato, I'm not gonna get into that.
Speaker: But I mean, they're still those three guys alone are still driving force for that game.
Speaker: And they were they were huge, like free marketing for that game.
Speaker: So with them, without them playing it on a daily, because I know Dr. D, they still play a lot of like PUBG and Fortnite and all that shit.
Speaker: And then lately he's been playing only up, which has been hilarious.
Speaker: But yeah, not having those three guys putting COD on the top of the charts of like streaming services like Twitch, Kick, Rumble and all that stuff or YouTube because he's on YouTube.
Speaker: Yeah, I don't think Call of Duty has like the pool that it used to have.
Speaker: I mean, they're still up in hundreds of thousands of viewers probably and players, but I don't think it's like super, super high up there.
Speaker: Yeah, I have no idea what their player count is like these days.
Speaker: And...
Speaker: I mean, I don't necessarily... Go ahead.
Speaker: As of right now, on Twitch, Call of Duty Warzone, which is just Call of Duty in general, is pulling in 37.4 thousand viewers.
Speaker: You got to think about that in the peak hours of streaming, Dr. Disrespect streamed for like eight to 10 hours a day.
Speaker: He would have been on it with Tim.
Speaker: Tim has anywhere between 20 to 30 viewers, players maybe on there hoping that they're going to be able to get posterized by one of them.
Speaker: And then all three of them, you know, so that's easily maybe a hundred thousand extra viewers, viewers and all that shit on there.
Speaker: But.
Speaker: I mean, 34,000 people on a game in real time, and that's only on console, or, like, we don't know if that's also including, like, PC numbers and all that stuff, too, and Steam and all that shit.
Speaker: I mean, is that 35,000 individual streams or people watching those streams?
Speaker: 37,000 people watching.
Speaker: I gotcha.
Speaker: How much is Diablo putting in, though, too?
Speaker: We got to remember Diablo 4 right now is, like,
Speaker: Diablo is killing it, dude.
Speaker: Diablo is killing it.
Speaker: Diablo, I just saw, was at like... Diablo is at 115.8 thousand.
Speaker: Wow, see.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That's a new hotness.
Speaker: It's almost 116 thousand.
Speaker: It's crazy.
Speaker: Those are impressive.
Speaker: Yeah, that's actually really good.
Speaker: And it's funny because Diablo 4 comes out...
Speaker: And we forget, like, just not even a year ago, like, Blizzard was in hot water for all the bullshit that they're going through with fucking Bobby Kotick and all that shit.
Speaker: So it's like, this comes to show you kids.
Speaker: No matter how fucked up a company could be, we're still going to buy the product.
Speaker: So no matter how shitty a company is and all this shit that we try to spew out and all these people and all these influencers going back and forth of who's better, who's worse, it doesn't matter at the end of the day because people are still going to fucking buy this product.
Speaker: People are still going to support this shit.
Speaker: It's really hard to say, hey, don't buy that game when it's the number one game being played right now in the world and it's being thrown in your face with Megan Fox commercials, Asmongold doing awesome content on it, every streamer playing it, even people who are primary mainstreamers for other games, they're playing Diablo.
Speaker: It's hard to not say, okay, I'm going to go and buy this game now.
Speaker: You know what I got out of that?
Speaker: Doesn't Megan Fox have a fucked up toe?
Speaker: A toe?
Speaker: I'm pretty sure her second toe next to the big toe is abnormally long.
Speaker: She's got really weird looking feet.
Speaker: I'm going to take the hit for us boys and I'm going to fuck up my algorithm right now and look this up.
Speaker: Hold on.
Speaker: I'm pretty sure she's got fucked up feet.
Speaker: whoever I date next is going to be like, what the fuck are you looking up, dude?
Speaker: Bro, why aren't you incognito?
Speaker: I'm going to take your word for it.
Speaker: I'm not going to risk fucking up my algorithm.
Speaker: I mean, pictures are showing her a long toe and then people are putting like a, you can clearly tell this is a thumb from a hand.
Speaker: So like, come on now.
Speaker: She don't fucking have orangutan feet.
Speaker: Bro, she got fucked up feet.
Speaker: That's what it comes down to.
Speaker: This is a good point to bring up the next topic.
Speaker: Moving on from the Council Wars because it's never going to end.
Speaker: We're not going to be the ones that solve it here.
Speaker: You know what was a cool thing that everybody was talking about was that Titan submarine.
Speaker: We figured out...
Speaker: We figured out that that really expensive submarine couldn't handle five guys, but Megan Hall, the police officer, was able to handle five guys.
Speaker: So she has 100%.
Speaker: She's 100% success rate.
Speaker: Shots fucking fired, dude.
Speaker: That shit was ridiculous.
Speaker: Some billionaires decide they're going to get into a goddamn submarine.
Speaker: no expenses spared but they got a fucking logitech controller from 2003 that i played tie fighter on that guy that guy was probably the biggest fan of like macgyver and he tried to fucking whittle together a sub and i don't like whetstone and fucking like chicken scratch and he's like oh don't worry guys it's safe we go down there uh
Speaker: Are you sure I can get into this thing?
Speaker: There's duct tape.
Speaker: Why is there duct tape holding this together?
Speaker: Dude, that shit.
Speaker: That had me like, it sucks that you have five people died, but come on.
Speaker: It is an awful situation, but that comes to also show you, remind people like, this is what people would do with an absurd amount of money.
Speaker: They do stupid shit like this and you get fucking killed.
Speaker: You kill yourself.
Speaker: And now I think Virgin Mobile, they're, I don't know if it's official already, but in the last few years, they've been testing out how to commercialize going to space.
Speaker: You know, and I, God forbid anything happens to anyone going up there, but I think they have their official launch of, like, their flight that goes out to, like, lower orbit.
Speaker: So you could go out to space.
Speaker: But, like, after seeing the Titan sub fucking getting disemboweled down there, like, who's going to want to jump on that?
Speaker: But I say that knowing that probably billionaires all over the world are going to pay millions to get a seat on that plane.
Speaker: And...
Speaker: I don't know, dude.
Speaker: That guy's pretty cool from Virgin Mobile and Virgin Airlines.
Speaker: He might get it, man.
Speaker: He's going to be all right.
Speaker: I don't think he fucks around with safety.
Speaker: He knows what he's doing.
Speaker: They've already done their tests, so yeah, clearly, knock on wood, for anyone that does go up there and be safe.
Speaker: They haven't really had issues, or at least issues haven't been publicized or made public record, but hey, it
Speaker: I would rather, at least, I feel like you'd have a better chance going up in the air and something happened in a ship and then you have a parachute on.
Speaker: At least you have, like, an oh shit moment to, like, alright, I'm just gonna jump out and fucking pop my chute.
Speaker: Whereas if you're underwater, like, 20,000 leagues undersea, your ass is grass instantly.
Speaker: Like, it is milliseconds, especially when there's an implosion.
Speaker: Bro, there's no grass in the air.
Speaker: Your ass can't be grass.
Speaker: Your ass is sand.
Speaker: And if the pressure don't kill you, a fucking giant squid is going to eat your ass up.
Speaker: I mean, at least it was quick.
Speaker: You know, there's some employee at one of those billionaires company that was making barely minimum wage.
Speaker: And he's like, man, this asshole is going to see the Titanic and I can barely afford to feed my family.
Speaker: And then this whole shit happened and he was like,
Speaker: you know what?
Speaker: Fucking called it.
Speaker: Amen.
Speaker: It just sucks.
Speaker: That is, he had his 19 year old son.
Speaker: That's what I feel for too.
Speaker: Yeah, man.
Speaker: Like he forced his son to be like, no, you little bitch, get on the submarine.
Speaker: And before that, it was, uh, the wife finally spoke out.
Speaker: It was supposed to be him and his wife.
Speaker: And she couldn't make it for like scheduling reasons.
Speaker: So she volunteered her son.
Speaker: And it's like, fuck, man.
Speaker: Like that is a horrible feeling as a parent.
Speaker: I can't even imagine it.
Speaker: I don't have children.
Speaker: I can't even imagine what a person like that is going through.
Speaker: I'm sure it's going to, it's going to haunt her for the rest of her life.
Speaker: It's awful.
Speaker: And I just feel more for that, for that.
Speaker: He's not a kid.
Speaker: He's 19 years old, but yeah.
Speaker: It just feels like even at 19.
Speaker: Come on, man.
Speaker: 19.
Speaker: Remember yourself at 19.
Speaker: Doom, do you remember yourself at 19?
Speaker: I was a fucking idiot.
Speaker: I was not an adult.
Speaker: I was in AIT, man.
Speaker: I was already in my second year.
Speaker: I was getting my military training for my job.
Speaker: I was already a man, dude.
Speaker: I was being all I can be.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Allegedly.
Speaker: I think I was basic at that point.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But no, I mean, I'm sure his wife, you know, I heard she had tickets for another submarine and they were non-refundable.
Speaker: So she had to pass it up.
Speaker: And I mean, it sucks.
Speaker: She got ripped off, dude.
Speaker: She dodged a bullet on this one though.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And then the one, the one billionaires stepson,
Speaker: is like a huge piece of shit and he's using this for clout and like trying to meet women and apparently he's been known for like harassing EDM DJs and shit like that.
Speaker: It's like, you're a billionaire stepkid's a piece of shit?
Speaker: Color me surprised.
Speaker: What a fuck.
Speaker: Yeah, surprise, surprise.
Speaker: One of the most entitled people on earth is also not a good person.
Speaker: Yeah, wasn't he posting shit on Twitter?
Speaker: Like, oh, my family.
Speaker: Oh, God, everyone, please pray for my family.
Speaker: Then he's at an EDM concert, like dancing with chicks that are half naked.
Speaker: Yeah, wasn't he at a Blink?
Speaker: He went to a Blink concert, too.
Speaker: Yeah, he did a Blink-182 concert.
Speaker: He was like, I know my family's going through some hard times right now, but they would want me to be here.
Speaker: I'm like, I'm going to call bullshit on that.
Speaker: Unless you are that big of a piece of shit, and then your family's like, please be as far away from us as you can possibly get right now.
Speaker: I'm sure he's just trying to get followers on Twitter.
Speaker: I think he got pretty much harassed off of Twitter, which is good.
Speaker: Most people don't need a platform to speak.
Speaker: That's a shitty thing, man.
Speaker: Twitter is a fun place.
Speaker: A fun place to be if you understand it.
Speaker: You've got to be a different breed.
Speaker: It's like this generation's Xbox chat, but not as bad.
Speaker: It's there, sort of.
Speaker: We were discussing this before the podcast started, and I will freely admit that Twitter might as well be in all hieroglyphics because I understand none of it, nor do I care to learn it because it just scares me.
Speaker: I feel like a boomer saying that, but...
Speaker: I feel, you know, I'm going to die on this hill.
Speaker: I'm going to be the boomer.
Speaker: That's why you play the boomer shooter, dude.
Speaker: That's why you're a Destiny 2 player.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: It's not that bad.
Speaker: It did take me a while to learn anything about it, but yeah, it's not...
Speaker: I think it's like all social media at this point.
Speaker: We're reaching a point in our life where there will be new social platforms that get released that surpass Twitter.
Speaker: I mean, look at Facebook.
Speaker: Remember Facebook used to be the thing?
Speaker: Remember MySpace was it, dude.
Speaker: If you didn't have a MySpace, you were a loser.
Speaker: Like, I didn't want to talk to you, man.
Speaker: Like what's your song on your MySpace page, man?
Speaker: You better have some good tracks on there.
Speaker: If not, I'm not going to follow you.
Speaker: Fuck your song.
Speaker: Who are your top eight?
Speaker: And why were they the eight girls you were trying to sleep with in high school?
Speaker: for real dude yeah yeah like myspace taught our generation how to code websites like kids were out there learning how to code shit just to
Speaker: Just to make this fucking amazing background and have a song and the song playing whenever you went to their page.
Speaker: Hello there.
Speaker: I'm so sorry.
Speaker: Dude, I used to have that song on there forever.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It was that or like, hey there, Delilah.
Speaker: And it was like, that's all it was.
Speaker: And you were the original...
Speaker: You know, you were like one of a kind if you had that on there, like just like everybody else.
Speaker: I'm really deep.
Speaker: I listen to Plain White Tees, just their one song, Hey There Delilah.
Speaker: They were like a hardcore punk band prior to Hey There Delilah, and then it just had commercial success.
Speaker: Did they, or were they just a one-hit wonder with that song?
Speaker: That's it.
Speaker: They were just a one-hit wonder.
Speaker: Just like Hoobastank.
Speaker: Remember Hoobastank back in the day?
Speaker: They fell off, even though they had way better songs than... What was the name of that song?
Speaker: I'm Not a Perfect Person, whatever.
Speaker: What the fuck is that?
Speaker: The Reason.
Speaker: The Reason.
Speaker: There it is, yeah.
Speaker: And he did.
Speaker: It's actually one of the reasons why he made a. No pun intended.
Speaker: He's he's Brandon Boyd's brother, like the lead singer of Incubus.
Speaker: They're brothers, bro.
Speaker: I learned something new every day.
Speaker: I'm a singer from Boobestank and the lead singer of Incubus are brothers.
Speaker: I never knew that.
Speaker: I've just learned that today.
Speaker: I've never.
Speaker: Now that you know this, you're going to go look up Hoobstank and Incubus and see him side by side.
Speaker: You're like, yeah, those motherfuckers, they share some DNA.
Speaker: Dude, holy fuck.
Speaker: Yeah, you just blew my mind with that.
Speaker: I love Incubus and I never knew that.
Speaker: You're going to be able to hear their voice too.
Speaker: Like they do sound somewhat similar when they hit their notes and everything.
Speaker: You'll hear it.
Speaker: Well, no wonder then why Incubus got, because they kind of did come out of like nowhere.
Speaker: They just, they, they, what the hell was their first song?
Speaker: I've been crawling in the dark.
Speaker: Like that song reminded me of Incubus back in the day.
Speaker: And I didn't know it was Hoobastank.
Speaker: That was their first big hit.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Incubus was around first and then Hoobastank just kind of had the reason and they hit, they hit commercial success for a minute.
Speaker: I think they still make music, but I'm not 100%.
Speaker: I haven't kept up with them either.
Speaker: I know the main thing.
Speaker: The singer of Incubus, he got tired.
Speaker: He wanted to get out of singing because he got sick of the fact that they became known as the band that only plays one song.
Speaker: Drive.
Speaker: They play Drive.
Speaker: They play Drive.
Speaker: He got sick of being the one-hit wonder.
Speaker: Even though they weren't a one-hit wonder and everyone says they are.
Speaker: I'm like, no.
Speaker: Their first album was really good.
Speaker: And it did have the reason, but prior to the reason they really had like two other songs that were actually very, very good and they were popular.
Speaker: So, but unfortunately they get, they did get known and remembered for the reason.
Speaker: It was a good song.
Speaker: It was.
Speaker: You put it on your MySpace.
Speaker: I did.
Speaker: I did.
Speaker: Back of the day.
Speaker: I had such a cringy MySpace page too.
Speaker: I had all that like future soldier bullshit.
Speaker: Cause I was going to join the army.
Speaker: And then I like,
Speaker: backed out of joining the army and I was like, oh, I got to delete all this stuff and like quickly got it out of there.
Speaker: And then I ended up joining the army anyway because I was too fat and stupid to get a job.
Speaker: So I was like, whatever, I guess I'll just do this.
Speaker: It worked out great.
Speaker: I mean, I'm not complaining.
Speaker: Oh, shit.
Speaker: That's right.
Speaker: That's what, you know, I want to do it too.
Speaker: You know, whatever.
Speaker: Got into manual labor, brother.
Speaker: There it is, man.
Speaker: Wasn't going to college, so just going to start using my body.
Speaker: PSA to the kids out there.
Speaker: Learn a trade.
Speaker: You don't need to go to college.
Speaker: You don't.
Speaker: You don't.
Speaker: We all know that.
Speaker: No, your mom went to college, though.
Speaker: I'm not going to respond to that.
Speaker: I've mulliganed.
Speaker: It's nice, brother, getting into a trade.
Speaker: I get to be outside all day and get some sunshine.
Speaker: It's nice, man.
Speaker: Of all the podcasts we've recorded, this is the one I want my son to listen to because college is expensive.
Speaker: It is very expensive.
Speaker: Come on, buddy.
Speaker: Dude, I don't think your son's going to need college because he's a fucking...
Speaker: He's a hacker man genius, like stealing money from you.
Speaker: He is, dude.
Speaker: Somehow using his Xbox, he'll be able to steal money for V-Bucks from just random strangers.
Speaker: Dude, he's Neo, man.
Speaker: He's Neo.
Speaker: He's going to haul the white rabbit straight to your wallet, dude.
Speaker: He found it, man.
Speaker: He's Superman 3 disaster.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I don't need college.
Speaker: He's going to be V-Buck rich, man.
Speaker: Yeah, I should just see if any state school accepts V-Bucks because God knows I got a lot of that left over in a Fortnite account.
Speaker: Do you have an exchange rate for V-Bucks?
Speaker: Can I buy his textbooks in V-Bucks or Fortnite skins?
Speaker: Oh, man.
Speaker: I have the destiny edition skins on Fortnite, not used yet.
Speaker: All yours.
Speaker: I can't even be mad.
Speaker: Cause it's happened twice.
Speaker: And you know, you know, the saying fool me once, shame on you.
Speaker: Fool me twice.
Speaker: Shame on me.
Speaker: And he got me, got me twice.
Speaker: And it was equally as frustrating both times.
Speaker: Uh, might've lost my cool briefly, but you know, he did it, did it with his mom too.
Speaker: And, uh,
Speaker: He's owned three times?
Speaker: Yeah, separate games.
Speaker: The thing is, he was buying content for games we didn't even own.
Speaker: He would buy weapon skins and character stuff for Far Cry games.
Speaker: I'm like, dude, we don't even have Far Cry.
Speaker: Why is this on the Xbox right now?
Speaker: He was just like, I like the gun.
Speaker: I'm like, do you think you just see a gun that looks cool?
Speaker: You're like, I want that to be in Fortnite, so I'm going to purchase it.
Speaker: It was like...
Speaker: that's not the way this works buddy you're so dude you're at this rate your son's ending up in like
Speaker: like federal prison, the good prison that has like, you know, tennis.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Club med.
Speaker: Like he'll be all right.
Speaker: He's doing a lot of embezzling.
Speaker: He's going to be the, he's going to make it really good.
Speaker: He's going to be the Bernie Madoff of like, he's going to be bunking with those Enron guys, dude.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: He's going to be the trust guy.
Speaker: And everybody was like, no, no, this guy, he's got away.
Speaker: Give them all your money.
Speaker: Trust Jake with your money.
Speaker: The wolf of Illinois is going to go out and wolf of Wall Street.
Speaker: Wolf of Fortlet.
Speaker: It's funny now.
Speaker: Oh my god.
Speaker: I can only imagine.
Speaker: It would be livid.
Speaker: Flashbacks.
Speaker: It's Christmas Eve.
Speaker: And like all of a sudden my account's negative and I'm like, what am I going to do?
Speaker: This sucks.
Speaker: So we need a Christmas miracle.
Speaker: Sorry, son.
Speaker: I got to, I got to return all your, your presents.
Speaker: It's going to be a wonderful life in Dooms Town.
Speaker: And the angel visit him and see what life is like without him because he was contemplating suicide.
Speaker: Well, the deep irony was it was $300 worth of V-Bucks that I got him for Christmas.
Speaker: And it was like, you just had to wait.
Speaker: You would have got it.
Speaker: Damn, dude.
Speaker: You got your ass.
Speaker: All right, guys.
Speaker: Well, that'll about do it for the first episode of the New Light Plus episode.
Speaker: and the eighth overall episode of the Forge in Light Destiny podcast.
Speaker: Thanks again for tuning in and listening to us on whatever you're listening to us on, Spotify, iTunes, what have you, Canasta.
Speaker: I don't know what you got on, but thank you for listening, and reach out to us on Destiny or on any of our socials if you ever need help in the game or if you just want to answer some questions.
Speaker: Have a good night, guys.
