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Ep 71: Pre Expo Rumors and News
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Lots of news to catch up on in this episode plus all the rumors we're hearing about Expo
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Transcript
Introduction & Sponsor Talk
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Thanks for tuning in to the Loser Kid Pinball Podcast.
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This is episode 71.
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I'm your host as always, Josh Roop, with me, my co-captain.
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Scott Larson.
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I almost did that backwards.
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I almost said, I'm your co-captain, Josh Roop, with your host as always.
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I could be the co-captain today.
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Maybe I could be the host today.
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True.
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That wouldn't be bad.
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And usually I'm the Ed McMahon to your Johnny Carson.
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And someone just messaged us today and they're like, how did you get rid of all 21 sponsors that you have?
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So in fairness, we actually, we still are friends with all these people, but a lot of people said, you know, we just kind of fast forward past that stuff.
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So we are still, we're still willing to focus on people and to spotlight people.
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Still love Brad from Let Frames.
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And if you have a translate you want to illuminate, reach out to him.
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He, and he lives near the Chicago area.
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So if you're heading out to Expo, I'm sure you can figure something out.
Pinball Machine Market Challenges
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But as always, flipping out pinball if you're looking for that new machine.
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And I know it's hard to dig up supply right now, but Zach and Nicole will always do their best to find that machine for you.
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Either a new game or even that grail that you just haven't been able to find yourself.
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They also have a deal with Raw Thrills.
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So if you want to get that Jurassic Park environmental, go ahead and buy that and put that in the garage.
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You don't need a car.
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But definitely check out Zach and Nicole.
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And I also have a premium ordered and we'll see when we get those in.
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So we're excited to get those out.
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Rumor has it, I know they've started shipping the LEs.
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Pros are already out on location.
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And, uh, they're mixing in a little bit of pros and premiums.
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So it's not just the standard run of pros and then the premiums at the end.
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I think that's a good move by Stern.
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So, yeah.
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Well, but the other problem I've heard too, though, is, is, uh, a bunch of premium stuff setting on the dock out in the Harbor and, uh, they're pushing back premiums already past the first of the year, but I could be wrong.
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It's all speculation.
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But it doesn't surprise me.
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I mean, this is nothing new for anybody who lives in America is that there are stories about cargo freights that are sitting off of Long Beach.
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And this is the world we live in.
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So we're still dealing with shortages.
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So if you are interested, get on the list because that's the best way to make sure that you have one on order.
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You can't.
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It's harder to do an impulse buy in today's day and age.
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Yes.
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It was nice.
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Was it even last year?
Stern's Jurassic Park Home Pin Discussion
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It was the year before.
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They just call up Zach and be like, what you got in stock?
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He still has stock.
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He has little, but he has stock.
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He has a few.
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I talked to him recently.
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He had Avengers Pros, and I think he had some others too.
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But Avengers Pro is still a great game if you want to get that, and you can sneak that in at the early price.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, good times.
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So, Josh, Expo's coming up, but let's talk about the news.
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What's coming up?
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You know, it's been a while since we've talked about the news.
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We had our Keith Elwin episode, and then before that, we pretty much had an episode dedicated to the reveal of Godzilla, and
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And so before that was Joe Cam and Cal.
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So we really haven't talked news for a little bit.
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Not too much.
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And so I was going back over the stuff that we haven't really talked about.
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There was quite a handful of things that happened in the last month to month and a half.
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It's kind of crazy what has happened outside of even just Stern reveals, which is crazy because Stern revealed another pinball machine since we've talked about Godzilla, which is crazy in my opinion.
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You know, it's not crazy.
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I think it makes sense.
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Yeah.
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And we're obviously talking about the Jurassic Park home pin edition that was designed by Jack Danger and the people at Stern.
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So I'm sure he had some help there.
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But hey, it looks fun.
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And I do find it funny, and people have brought this up, that it's under the affordable pins, which by inference says that our other pins aren't affordable.
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But...
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the bottom line is this is intended for a game room, like a homeroom.
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Um, it's, uh, I guess the target audience is the guy or the girl or the family who's making their, their family game room and they, they want a pool table and they want to, uh,
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foosball table and they want a pinball machine and it's still pretty steep it's still in the 4000 range but it's still different than like a six or eight thousand or nine thousand game yeah so that there's they are targeting that audience is what's going on
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Do you think, because people talk about how a Stern Pro five years ago, six years ago, was about this price, the $4,600.
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Do you think the pin, they're going to start producing more of those, and this is what's going to be the quote-unquote pro option at this point, even though it's not part of a larger series of pinball machines or cornerstones?
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Well, okay.
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By definition, I would say not the pro because pro implies, or at least that implies that you can use it in a professional setting, right?
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True.
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Yeah.
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And so by pro, I would say the definition of having a pro game would be a coin mech and an ability to put it on location to make money on it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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However, it has become a little more of that entry level.
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And in the 2000s, there was all these cost-cutting measures.
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I mean, you look at a lot of those games and they were pretty sparse.
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I had an Iron Man and it was fun.
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But if you compare all the stuff on Iron Man versus what they're making now, even Tron, really.
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And Tron is a good game, but it's not as packed as what they have now.
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Yeah.
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So this this is certainly in the era of, hey, if you want something that's a that's a little more scaled back, then I don't like the term stripped down, but you can say scaled back because the game looks fun.
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I would say the game looks fun.
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What do you think?
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No, I agree.
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I think that this is very comparable to a 2000 Stern.
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Everyone's complaining that the price is going up, yet have you seen Sterns lately?
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They're pretty packed.
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So the only logical explanation is if you're going to compare them to a 2000 Stern, then you better put out a pinball machine that's like a 2000 Stern.
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So here you go.
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Well, the challenge too is there is inflation.
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And I'm going to set the Wayback Machine to 1980 something.
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And when I was a kid and homesick and watched The Price is Right, every single car on The Price is Right was under $10,000.
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And it was a big deal when they brought out the one because it was, ooh, this is above a $10,000 car.
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Sorry, did I say pinned?
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I mean car.
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So every car was around $7,000 to $8,000.
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Well, you know that cars aren't that price now.
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So this is 40 years later.
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Well, okay.
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But now cars and trucks typically are $60,000, $70,000.
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Yeah.
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So you're going to get inflation.
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You're going to get an elevation of prices.
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And the bottom line is they are a business.
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This isn't a charity.
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And so Stern's going to target and find, I'm sure they've done market research to find what people want.
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And if people are willing to spend a certain price for a certain product, then that's what they're going to tailor.
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But you also have people who are
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They're not really interested in an over $10,000 machine, but they still want the experience of having a pinball machine.
Pricing Trends and Affordability
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Well, and someone pointed out to me recently that, well, Woods went down.
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You know, Wood was a 2x4x8 was almost $10 six months ago.
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Now it's down to $354.
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That's great.
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But the problem is, is I'm in the business of metal.
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I don't know if anyone knows that.
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And metal costs for me, before it hits the customer, has went up 125% in the last four months.
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And there is a lot of metal on a pinball machine.
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So...
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It's hard.
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It's hard.
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Well, they have factories.
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They have a giant assembly line.
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They have designers.
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There's research and development.
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There's everything that goes into it.
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And so for it to... I actually think it's fine.
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The price, I don't have a problem with it.
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Because if the price is too high, I realized long ago that the mistake people make is assuming that their price point is the price point for everybody.
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Yeah.
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Because I'm Josh.
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Do you own a do you own a Tesla like an X with those fancy doors?
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Oh, no, no.
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But I see them all over.
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OK, it's not my car.
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I I I as of yet have never purchased one hundred thousand dollar car.
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The most it's been is like around 50.
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But, you know, that's, that is my, that is my price point.
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But I also understand that, you know, a pro is a price point for someone, a premium is a price point for someone.
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And I, my buddy is on the, I want every LE list.
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I'm not on that list.
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Yeah.
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But that's his price point.
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So.
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I don't know.
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I I'm okay with it.
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Cause it doesn't feel like it's a stripped down model.
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It just feels like a scaled back model.
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Yeah.
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So I I'm excited to play it at expo.
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So we'll, we'll certainly do some, uh, do some flips on it.
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Um, how, okay.
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Who sells these machines?
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Josh.
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Um, well, we do know that, um,
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Distributors have to sell a couple, right?
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Like that's like, that's an agreement.
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They take their standard allotment and yes, and they can order over the top, uh, like on top of that.
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Um, I guess one challenge that people can have is that I don't think you're going to sell these to your standard pinball enthusiast.
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Yeah.
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Um, I would say your standard pinball enthusiast for $4,500 is probably going to be looking at either
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um, ponying up the extra thousand dollars and getting a pro or they're looking at the used market for, um, you know, for like a fish tails or something.
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Yeah.
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Um, I, I don't see too many people buying these machines, but I would be curious if anyone's listening and they have experience ordering these home pin additions, whether or not it's Spider-Man or,
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If you're interested in the Jurassic Park one or you got the Star Wars one, reach out.
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We have a good friend who has the Star Wars Home Edition.
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He loves it.
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So I'm just curious to see who else buys these.
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But I tend not to think it's the pinball enthusiast market.
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Once again, it's just another avenue for Stern to explore.
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I know that people were complaining about...
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Well, they already can't get to the Mandalorians and they can't get to the Godzillas that they have and all the back order that they have.
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If you guys listen to, if you haven't listened to it, I highly recommend it.
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Go to the final round pinball podcast with the interview with Zach Sharp.
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And he said that they have an agreement with these licensors that they will get their product out in a certain time frame.
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Time's ticking.
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Time is ticking.
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When you sign a contract, the time is ticking.
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Correct.
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And I don't know what the agreement was because COVID did throw a wrench in everything.
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It's still throwing a wrench in everything.
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And I mean, you can go further down the rabbit hole in that discussion, but I prefer not to.
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But I think that...
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They're doing out of necessity what they have to do as the agreement with their licensors.
Stern's Strategies and Licensing
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And honestly, that's what keeps them alive.
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We've talked about license is king right now, right?
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License first, design second, code third.
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You could probably even interchange those after Walking Dead proved.
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But you just...
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You have to keep the licensors happy.
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And so, like I said, if you haven't checked it out, go check out Final Round's most recent episode with Zach Sharp.
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Very insightful.
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I actually only saw or only heard...
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I can neither confirm nor deny once, I think, throughout the whole thing.
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So he was pretty open on it.
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No, he was really good.
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And well, they were also asking questions that they knew they could ask.
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I mean, they didn't say, hey, what are the next five releases?
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And so that makes it a little easier when you're not treading into dangerous territory.
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But they, it is interesting seeing it from their standpoint.
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And occasionally we'll say something and we'll get some feedback and they'll say, yeah, well, a lot of it, a lot of it's licensing.
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So just keep that in mind.
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There's the enthusiast who wants X, Y, and Z, but the licensor doesn't give you X, Y, and Z. Or there's too many to me to sign off on it and they just, they're waiting.
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You know, it.
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R2D2 topper, right?
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Yeah.
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Now, with this, does it help or hurt, Jack, that he is going against the Keith Elwin design?
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I don't think it hurts him one bit.
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Originally, I did.
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I originally thought, you know, he's going up against a game that's considered a classic and is ranked very high on the pin side.
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I think it's number two right now.
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Yeah.
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But then again, like it's been said in the past, these games really aren't made for us.
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They're made for a different market.
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And I think if you're buying a pinball machine at this cost, you're not going to be doing it based off of game design and code and all that jazz.
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So I don't know.
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I think it actually played into Dangerous Favor.
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And the reason being is they had a fully-fledged game.
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Stern didn't have to spend a ton on artwork because they reused some of the artwork, just kind of rearranged it.
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I mean, you've already got all the animations there.
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It's the reuse of the animation, the same sounds.
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There might be some added.
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I'm not for sure.
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But I mean, really, your bomb on this was probably a little more flexible, even though the price was brought way down.
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But it's because a lot of the assets were already there.
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They were just kind of reusing what they already had.
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And I don't know what the agreement with the licensor is.
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You're still paying for assets.
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Yeah, you're still paying for assets.
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If you put a sticker on Lunchbox, you're still paying for the assets.
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Correct.
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But if you're only paying to design.
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It could have been a rate.
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And I bet they probably talked with the licensor about having a lower priced option, a scaled back option, and they probably scaled back the licensing.
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This is me speculating, scaled back the licensing appropriately to fit into the cost.
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Yeah, I agree.
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So I'm really interested to play it.
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And, you know, I think there is a market for this.
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Probably nobody.
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OK, this is my guess.
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And I would be surprised.
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I doubt people who listen to pinball podcasts are going to buy it.
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I agree.
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But that doesn't mean it's a bad game.
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It just means it's for a different market.
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Might as well.
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Hey, Stern wouldn't be making these if there wasn't money there to be made.
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So obviously they know something we don't.
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Well, this is going along with when they started doing the pro premium in LE.
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It's the three-legged approach of having the collector or the home enthusiast or the bar.
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And you have something for everybody.
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And it's the same thing as cars.
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You're going to have cars.
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If you look at a truck, go and try to buy a truck.
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And you have like a basic truck that, hey, we are hauling air conditioners.
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We do not need all the fancy bells and whistles.
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And then you get the guys who want all the bells and whistles.
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And they're willing to pay three times as much for a truck because they want all that.
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Yep.
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Same, same thing with pinball.
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Uh, I want to move on.
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I want to move on to cactus Canyon.
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I think, cause honestly, at this point it's, we're going to play at expo and then probably get our thoughts.
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Yeah.
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Let's move on to Cactus Canyon, which we're probably going to play at Expo and then give our thoughts.
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Yeah, we'll give our thoughts.
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A lot of this is a preview of Expo, all the things we're looking forward to at Expo.
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So since we talked last about Cactus Canyon, because it was just a slide on a piece of white sheet at some convention a month and a half ago, we didn't know everything that we'd know today.
Cactus Canyon Updates and Expectations
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We're still going to get more.
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As far as I'm aware, there's still an interview coming out with Super Awesome Pinball Show with Lyman and Josh Sharpe.
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I heard it's pretty good.
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It gets pretty in-depth on some stuff and some stuff they can't talk about at all.
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So I'm looking forward to hearing that.
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I bet it's going to be great.
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The thing is, the information that was unveiled to us since the slideshow was Lyman Sheets and Josh Sharp was contracted out to do the rules.
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We do know that there is new, I don't know if I want to say new artwork, but artists have been brought in to revise the artwork.
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Yeah, they revised it, yeah.
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Correct.
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Correct.
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And then the rumor is there's not going to be a classic edition like there was with the Medieval Madness, with the Monster Bash, and Attack from Mars.
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They're automatically, the base one, it's going to be the special edition, which is the one with the upgraded LED display.
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And then they'll have the limited edition, which will be obviously the limited edition, which will come with a topper.
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Supposedly the toppers interactive looks great.
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My other understanding- We haven't seen it, by the way.
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Correct.
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This is all-
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This has all been speculation, but rumor.
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Well, besides the Lyman sheet stuff and, and, uh, no, no, no, the Lyman cheese is confirmed.
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I'm just saying with the, uh, with the topper and everything, but that's, that's been the longstanding rumor that they're making sure that it's all set.
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And, uh, you can certainly say that Chicago gaming, they don't release a game until it is a hundred percent.
00:18:59
Speaker
Yeah.
00:19:00
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And they haven't missed on any games.
00:19:03
Speaker
Well, and the other rumor is, so when Monster Bash, granted Monster Bash came out two years ago, three years ago, is that where we're at right now?
00:19:11
Speaker
About that, yeah.
00:19:12
Speaker
Holy crap.
00:19:13
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When it came out, the special edition was $7,500.
00:19:16
Speaker
Correct me if I'm wrong.
00:19:19
Speaker
And then the limited edition was $8,300.
00:19:21
Speaker
That was MSRP, if I remember correctly.
00:19:23
Speaker
I think that sounds about right.
00:19:26
Speaker
I know I got a limited edition and I paid $8,300.
00:19:29
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And so, but I don't know if there was, if that was MSRP or whatnot.
00:19:34
Speaker
Anywho, the base for the special edition, so that'd be the basic edition right now, I'm hearing is $8,000, which would be a $500 increase.
00:19:44
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It wouldn't shock me.
00:19:46
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I think it's predictable with the demand that is going on out there.
00:19:54
Speaker
If they can charge more for their product, they will.
00:19:58
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They lower prices when they're trying to move product.
00:20:00
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They don't have to lower prices right now.
00:20:02
Speaker
I agree.
00:20:04
Speaker
I'm really looking forward to this.
00:20:06
Speaker
I'm interested to see what the new code does for it.
00:20:11
Speaker
The layout for Cactus Canyon, it's never been amazing for me.
00:20:18
Speaker
It always has fallen into that
00:20:21
Speaker
big bang bar category where it's rare.
00:20:25
Speaker
It's expensive because it's rare, not necessarily expensive because it's great.
00:20:29
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Yeah.
00:20:29
Speaker
In, in my limited knowledge of it.
00:20:33
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However,
00:20:34
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If well, now we know that Lyman is retooling and we suspected that for a long time.
00:20:42
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I think we even floated that as a speculation that who would you get to recode a 90s game?
00:20:48
Speaker
And Lyman is the guy you want to do that.
00:20:54
Speaker
So it'll be interesting to see how that actually takes it to the next level.
00:20:58
Speaker
But I do know two people who are interested in getting it and they're on that waiting list.
00:21:04
Speaker
And even one person selling is Indiana Jones, which he loves to get that game.
00:21:09
Speaker
Wow.
00:21:10
Speaker
That's impressive.
00:21:11
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's the good one.
00:21:13
Speaker
It's the pinball adventure.
00:21:15
Speaker
So, man, I got some time in on that a couple weeks ago.
00:21:18
Speaker
It's it is a good game.
00:21:20
Speaker
It's a fun game.
00:21:21
Speaker
It's it's certainly a nostalgic game, but I think it's the nostalgic game that holds up.
00:21:26
Speaker
Yep.
00:21:26
Speaker
Like, it's still fun.
00:21:28
Speaker
It's campy.
00:21:29
Speaker
It's not the same as a modern game.
00:21:32
Speaker
And when I say modern, I mean in the last 10 years.
00:21:35
Speaker
But it is still, you know, I will play it when I go over to his house.
00:21:41
Speaker
So what are you looking for with, are we not really looking for anything for Cactus Canyon?
00:21:45
Speaker
We're just kind of waiting to see what happens at Expo.
00:21:48
Speaker
I want to see what the topper is.
00:21:49
Speaker
Yeah, I agree.
00:21:50
Speaker
That's really what, because I'm wondering how they're going to take it to the next level.
00:21:56
Speaker
Medieval Madness, Attack from Mars, Monster Bash.
00:21:58
Speaker
These were all well-proven, good shooting games.
00:22:05
Speaker
But then this one does not have the same sort of volume that the other ones did.
00:22:11
Speaker
Yeah.
00:22:12
Speaker
So I'm curious to see how it's going to hold up when you have more availability on it.
00:22:19
Speaker
Because the designer on it is... I always have to look it up every time.
00:22:25
Speaker
But I believe that's their only game.
00:22:29
Speaker
Yeah, but they were with Williams for a while.
00:22:30
Speaker
I mean, they still help with stuff at Stern, too.
00:22:33
Speaker
Okay, so the game design is...
00:22:38
Speaker
Okay, I really am sorry about this.
00:22:41
Speaker
Matt Coriel and Tom Capara.
00:22:45
Speaker
Tom Capara, yeah.
00:22:46
Speaker
He's the gentleman that still works on Stern stuff.
00:22:47
Speaker
Which is fine, but how many other games have they designed?
00:22:51
Speaker
And he has worked in The Mandalorian.
00:22:53
Speaker
He's worked in House of Horrors.
00:22:55
Speaker
He's worked on Game of Thrones.
00:22:56
Speaker
But it's not, and that's Tom, by the way, that's not the primary designer.
00:23:02
Speaker
Right.
00:23:03
Speaker
And so, you know, that's where I'm a little more cautious just because it doesn't have the same sort of, well, it's a, you know, it's a George Gomez design that didn't get the light of day.
00:23:16
Speaker
And so he's moved on, but George has a track record of designing great games.
00:23:20
Speaker
So, yeah.
00:23:22
Speaker
And by the way, I don't mean that to be a slight, it's just more of a,
00:23:27
Speaker
there's there's less less games to compare it to i'll i'm excited to see it at expo i want to see what they've done with the code i'm just i'm excited it's um it's a good time to be in pinball that's definitely for sure yes absolutely okay one machine i want to talk about that i i'm just gonna be up front right now i was not impressed with the new pinball brothers queen
New Pinball Machine Reviews
00:23:49
Speaker
that came out
00:23:51
Speaker
And I know it was just for show because no one can play it.
00:23:55
Speaker
It's just a display.
00:23:57
Speaker
You can look at it.
00:23:57
Speaker
Yeah.
00:23:58
Speaker
It's got the magic girl treatment at this point.
00:23:59
Speaker
Let's call it that.
00:24:00
Speaker
Ooh.
00:24:01
Speaker
See, I don't think that's true.
00:24:05
Speaker
I think what it looks like is magic girl looked really good.
00:24:11
Speaker
Well, no, that's what I'm saying is it's in the state of what Magic Girl was when it was produced.
00:24:15
Speaker
A box of lights.
00:24:16
Speaker
Okay.
00:24:17
Speaker
Correct.
00:24:17
Speaker
It's a box of lights.
00:24:18
Speaker
No, it's the artwork.
00:24:19
Speaker
Okay.
00:24:19
Speaker
The artwork is... Okay.
00:24:21
Speaker
I'm sorry if I offend anyone or the artist.
00:24:23
Speaker
It is horrendous.
00:24:25
Speaker
It's bad.
00:24:25
Speaker
Well, okay.
00:24:26
Speaker
I wouldn't say horrendous, but what I will say is it felt like a Gottlieb.
00:24:32
Speaker
Like the color scheme and the layout is... It felt very...
00:24:38
Speaker
Um, and I, I, Hey, I hope I'm wrong.
00:24:41
Speaker
Every time I give these negative thoughts, I hope I'm wrong, but it didn't feel anything that would make you want to put a quarter in it.
00:24:49
Speaker
I don't want to put a quarter in it unless you want to hear Bohemian Rhapsody.
00:24:53
Speaker
Well, I want to play the game.
00:24:54
Speaker
The layout looks good.
00:24:55
Speaker
I'll give it that.
00:24:55
Speaker
The layout looks decent.
00:24:56
Speaker
It looks like something that can flip.
00:24:57
Speaker
It's definitely above other games that I've seen.
00:25:03
Speaker
But the artwork's just rough.
00:25:05
Speaker
Freddie Mercury's face is just so lopsided.
00:25:09
Speaker
I mean, this still has a long ways to go.
00:25:11
Speaker
Obviously, playing it and seeing the code and whatnot.
00:25:16
Speaker
If it's similar to Monster Bash, hey, I love Monster Bash code.
00:25:19
Speaker
It's a good code set.
00:25:20
Speaker
So that's where they're going with it.
00:25:22
Speaker
Again, I hope it's good and I hope the visual of it is not overwhelmingly positive.
00:25:31
Speaker
But, you know, that's also it's a prototype.
00:25:35
Speaker
So things can change and everybody has their own tastes on what works well.
00:25:40
Speaker
I don't know.
00:25:41
Speaker
As a musician, there's just some stuff on here that just looks bad to me.
00:25:44
Speaker
Like the guitar upper play fill just looks bad.
00:25:46
Speaker
Like it doesn't look like a guitar.
00:25:49
Speaker
It just, I don't know.
00:25:50
Speaker
It just, the game itself doesn't look great.
00:25:53
Speaker
Yeah.
00:25:53
Speaker
I think that you're, you're definitely selling off the queen name, uh, the playability, but,
00:25:59
Speaker
Well, and why go with basic?
00:26:01
Speaker
I get it's Queen's logo, but why not use the Queen's logo with the crown on it?
00:26:06
Speaker
Or there's other more iconic logos.
00:26:10
Speaker
But if you look at the side of this cabinet, it's just kind of an orange.
00:26:14
Speaker
It's like a yellow to orange scale crowd.
00:26:17
Speaker
with just Queen across it.
00:26:19
Speaker
It's just, it's not fantastic.
00:26:21
Speaker
Like, I don't know what the thought process was here.
00:26:23
Speaker
I don't make pinball machines.
00:26:25
Speaker
People, I've done podcasting for almost three years now on pinball.
00:26:29
Speaker
I've never worked in an industry that I've never worked behind the scenes.
00:26:33
Speaker
So I'm just, like I said, I'm just,
00:26:36
Speaker
I probably couldn't do a better pinball machine myself.
00:26:39
Speaker
Maybe I should take up the challenge.
00:26:40
Speaker
Okay.
00:26:40
Speaker
But you're also not selling it.
00:26:43
Speaker
It's fair to, it's fair to, to give a critique on something when someone is putting it out there as a product.
00:26:51
Speaker
Yeah.
00:26:52
Speaker
So I, you don't have to be a car manufacturer to evaluate your car and whether or not you want to buy it.
00:26:58
Speaker
But I've seen homebrews that are better than looking than this thing.
00:27:01
Speaker
Like,
00:27:01
Speaker
Yeah.
00:27:03
Speaker
But, okay, remember the caveat.
00:27:07
Speaker
It always comes down to what the licensor wants.
00:27:10
Speaker
So with the image of the way it looks, you can talk about the flow, you can talk about the layout, but when you talk about what color scheme and even what caricatures or...
00:27:25
Speaker
or illustrations that all has to be approved by them.
00:27:28
Speaker
And so, yeah, I, I, I, I just, I give that a, a squint high when I see what is produced and say, well, I wouldn't have done that, but maybe they wouldn't have done that either.
00:27:42
Speaker
Yeah.
00:27:43
Speaker
So that could be completely up to the licensor and really the licensor has to sign off on it.
00:27:48
Speaker
True.
00:27:49
Speaker
So, but I will say it looked pretty basic and it didn't look that interesting.
00:27:55
Speaker
That's, that is a great explanation.
00:27:57
Speaker
I will take that.
00:27:58
Speaker
Yeah.
00:27:58
Speaker
So we will not see this at expo.
00:28:00
Speaker
Cause I know that, uh, I'm not, I'm not flying to England to the queen store.
00:28:04
Speaker
So, yes.
00:28:05
Speaker
And so my understanding was this is just the prototype, but we will be seeing more of it being produced here within the year.
00:28:12
Speaker
Well, not, not 2021, but 2022, May early 2023.
00:28:13
Speaker
So we'll see what happens there, but overall,
00:28:20
Speaker
Not a great first impression in my opinion.
00:28:22
Speaker
No.
00:28:24
Speaker
Let's talk about this next note.
00:28:25
Speaker
Haggis is starting to get games out the door.
00:28:27
Speaker
I'm excited for this.
00:28:29
Speaker
Our boy Martin Robbins doing some code and they got the Celts out the doors and they're saying their fathoms next up to bat.
00:28:35
Speaker
They're starting to get over some of the hiccups and hurdles of manufacturing and whatnot.
00:28:41
Speaker
Yeah.
00:28:42
Speaker
I'm hearing positive from everyone that's received their game so far.
00:28:45
Speaker
So what you're saying is a startup company with very limited manufacturing experience can still get a game out.
00:28:54
Speaker
Yeah.
00:28:56
Speaker
Interesting, huh?
00:28:57
Speaker
Yeah, weird, huh?
00:29:00
Speaker
Congratulations, especially with all the starting up a pinball company with all the supply shortages and especially with how locked down Australia is.
00:29:08
Speaker
That is a huge plus for them.
00:29:11
Speaker
And so that tells me they are doing something right.
00:29:14
Speaker
It renews faith in me.
00:29:16
Speaker
I didn't lose faith in Haggis, but it makes you nervous when you hear stuff like Deep Root and whatnot, being a startup company.
00:29:23
Speaker
And then not fulfilling promises and then falling by the wayside.
00:29:27
Speaker
I mean, it's happened time and time again in the pinball hobby industry.
00:29:31
Speaker
You know, look at Dutch, which they're starting to come back.
00:29:35
Speaker
You've got Highway.
00:29:37
Speaker
Granted, some of those licensings and rights have went to other companies, but still...
00:29:42
Speaker
It's refreshing to hear a startup company take responsibility for hiccups, for delays, and still then a week or two later showing, hey, we are actually producing product.
00:29:56
Speaker
This is what we're working on.
00:29:58
Speaker
Their product looks fantastic.
00:30:00
Speaker
I seriously cannot wait to see a haggis game at Expo to play it.
00:30:04
Speaker
I want to get my hands on one of these and see it.
00:30:07
Speaker
If they're worth it.
00:30:08
Speaker
I definitely want to see what their Fathom remake is, and I'm hoping they have one there.
00:30:13
Speaker
I agree.
00:30:15
Speaker
Heck, I'm even excited to see Celts.
00:30:17
Speaker
I know a lot of people are like, it's just a single level game and whatnot, but hey, some of those games are fantastic.
00:30:22
Speaker
So it's Beatles, and I just bought it.
00:30:24
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:25
Speaker
So speaking of other companies that announced stuff and then never actually produced a dang thing.
00:30:33
Speaker
So let's talk about Bobby.
00:30:35
Speaker
Bobby.
00:30:36
Speaker
Oh, let's keep this under five minutes.
Deep Root Scandal and Industry Impact
00:30:41
Speaker
So the SEC has been investigating him.
00:30:47
Speaker
And it sounds like even after they, it was well known that they were investigating him by Bobby.
00:30:55
Speaker
Yep.
00:30:56
Speaker
He still took more money and he still spent it.
00:30:59
Speaker
It sounds like all of it.
00:31:02
Speaker
So I want to pause you there.
00:31:02
Speaker
Cause I think,
00:31:04
Speaker
So what I think is, reading the article, the SEC had already concluded their investigation originally and was like they were in the, we're trying to bundle this up in a nice package with a bow.
00:31:17
Speaker
Yeah.
00:31:17
Speaker
And then that's when Bobby Mueller went for the pre-order money.
00:31:21
Speaker
So he already knew he was under investigation and went to the pinball community and was like, oh, by the way, we're doing pre-orders.
00:31:27
Speaker
Yeah.
00:31:28
Speaker
That's what I think this is the money that they're talking about because he claimed it was like another $8 million.
00:31:33
Speaker
That would be...
00:31:34
Speaker
Exactly.
00:31:34
Speaker
The pre-order money.
00:31:36
Speaker
Bottom line, total dirt bag, total con artist, total narcissist.
00:31:42
Speaker
And we are better for not having him in the industry.
00:31:46
Speaker
And I hope we never hear from him ever again.
00:31:49
Speaker
And I feel sorry for everybody who has lost money with him and everybody who, even people, I don't understand it, but even people who gave him money on the hope that he's going to produce something.
00:32:01
Speaker
I still have sympathy for you.
00:32:02
Speaker
I, I,
00:32:04
Speaker
I think it was risky and I, I would not have made that move, but I, I understand if people feel that that was a calculated risk and they decided to take it, but he obviously played everybody as fools to facilitate his extravagant lifestyle and his two weddings and one divorce, which I still think is just unbelievable.
00:32:29
Speaker
But you know, good.
00:32:30
Speaker
Let's, uh, uh,
00:32:33
Speaker
Wipe, flush, move on.
00:32:35
Speaker
Yep.
00:32:36
Speaker
I just want to thank Blueberry Johnson for all the information.
00:32:39
Speaker
He has been keeping up on this.
00:32:40
Speaker
I don't know if there's an employee that did work at DeepRoot and just – I don't know who this guy is.
00:32:44
Speaker
Either that or somebody who got involved or just has – I mean, he is on this.
00:32:49
Speaker
He or she, I guess.
00:32:50
Speaker
I don't know if Blueberry is a boy or a girl.
00:32:52
Speaker
Yeah.
00:32:52
Speaker
I guess when you think of Blueberry is a boy or a girl.
00:32:56
Speaker
Wow.
00:32:56
Speaker
But I just –
00:32:58
Speaker
I guess the hard part I know of just all this is we have the hobby itself or industry itself has taken a hit because of this whole situation.
00:33:09
Speaker
I don't think the actual industry at large has, but there's, there's some people that have been tied up in this that have really burned their reputation.
00:33:18
Speaker
And I feel bad for those.
00:33:20
Speaker
Well, and I think he used them as human shields.
00:33:23
Speaker
Um, I'm very,
00:33:24
Speaker
Great example.
00:33:25
Speaker
I mean, he and even Jeff Deals has talked about it.
00:33:29
Speaker
I mean, they hired Jeff to do some voices and they hired Steve Bowden.
00:33:33
Speaker
And it's still in my opinion that they hired Steve Bowden because he is well liked in the industry and everybody likes Steve.
00:33:44
Speaker
And so he leveraged Steve's good name to hide his sketchitude.
00:33:50
Speaker
And it's the same thing with Jeff.
00:33:52
Speaker
So he was able to pick his shots.
00:33:55
Speaker
I don't believe they were.
00:33:57
Speaker
I don't believe they were really involved in any of the behind the scenes things.
00:34:01
Speaker
I think they were contract workers, but that's.
00:34:06
Speaker
It's sad that they even are associated with his name because I know they would go back and probably not want to be associated at all with him either.
00:34:15
Speaker
Well, and even the article that came out with this week in pinball stating pretty much, you know, disassociating themselves from from Deep Root.
00:34:23
Speaker
I mean, that was a really good non non-biased, in my opinion.
00:34:29
Speaker
piece of media work that you could you could deal with um and obviously there's bias that creeps into any type of media i can't say that they were 100% unbiased but you know jeff had stated in his when he was leaving or putting twip on a hiatus or doing less with it one of the reasons was because of all of this yeah because he he was he was involved with robert yeah yeah well he kind of was he kind of was the mouthpiece i mean look at all the articles he did for deep root um
00:34:55
Speaker
I mean, he's, in my opinion, that's where a lot of the professionalism and the authenticity came from was because you're getting these articles of Deep Root and the factory walkthroughs and all the little tidbits were coming from that away.
00:35:10
Speaker
But again, he leveraged Jeff too.
00:35:13
Speaker
So again, this is what con artists do.
00:35:19
Speaker
They will throw everybody else in the water when the sharks are coming.
00:35:23
Speaker
Speaking of Patterson, let's go on another tangent.
00:35:26
Speaker
I want to throw this out here.
00:35:27
Speaker
We're hearing less and less from this week in pinball.
00:35:30
Speaker
We are hearing from some of the deep dives, which are still fantastic.
00:35:33
Speaker
Thanks, Patterson, for that.
00:35:34
Speaker
Do you think we still see this – not this week – the Twippies?
00:35:39
Speaker
Do you think we still see the awards?
00:35:42
Speaker
Or do you think that's too much of a financial drain on Patterson or maybe even too much of a time taker from Patterson that we don't see this anymore?
00:35:51
Speaker
Or is it –
00:35:52
Speaker
Or is it far enough off the ground that it kind of takes care of itself?
00:35:56
Speaker
You just click the button and go?
00:35:57
Speaker
No, I think it will change.
00:36:00
Speaker
So I think you'll see something different next year.
00:36:04
Speaker
It may or may not happen.
00:36:06
Speaker
If it happens, it's going to be in a different way.
00:36:09
Speaker
Um, and the Twippies are basically the people's choice awards, uh, for pinball.
00:36:14
Speaker
And, uh, you know, so if you, if you get enough and this is how, this is how award shows work, you try to campaign for votes and you try to get things going on.
00:36:26
Speaker
Um,
00:36:28
Speaker
I'm not sure in what venue it is because that was really part of his this week in pinball.
00:36:35
Speaker
That's what TWIP stands for.
00:36:38
Speaker
So is it possible that it could reinvent or be revamped?
00:36:43
Speaker
Maybe, but I'm, I'm holding out.
00:36:47
Speaker
I, I, I hope it is, but I don't, I don't know how he does that unless he continues this week in pinball.
00:36:57
Speaker
Dang it.
00:36:58
Speaker
And I had a foolproof plan to win the Twippy this year.
00:37:01
Speaker
Cause I know Scott, you said that you're only doing this for the awards now after winning the pinball award.
00:37:05
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:06
Speaker
I'm, I'm doing it for a greatness and glory.
00:37:08
Speaker
That's all I'm doing it for.
00:37:09
Speaker
Absolutely.
00:37:10
Speaker
Notariety.
00:37:13
Speaker
So, well, we'll, we wish Patterson the best.
00:37:16
Speaker
Um, hopefully we'll see what happens with Twippies and,
00:37:21
Speaker
I mean, we should be knowing soon.
00:37:23
Speaker
Pre-voting usually starts at the beginning of December.
00:37:25
Speaker
So that way he knows who to put on the list for beginning of January.
00:37:28
Speaker
I think it'll be different, but I actually wouldn't be surprised if there's a hiatus.
00:37:32
Speaker
I think that's what I think it's going to be a hiatus.
00:37:36
Speaker
Moving on.
00:37:37
Speaker
AP is releasing a new pinball machine at expo.
00:37:41
Speaker
That's the rumor.
00:37:42
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:43
Speaker
Uh, by time this is out, it probably already be unveiled because they're doing it at Jack bar.
00:37:48
Speaker
And, uh, what was the other location?
00:37:50
Speaker
There was another, uh, bang back.
00:37:52
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:53
Speaker
It's not official as of just yet, but what we're hearing is legends of Valhalla.
00:37:56
Speaker
You've probably already seen it by time.
00:37:58
Speaker
This comes out.
00:37:59
Speaker
Yeah.
Upcoming Releases and Expo Excitement
00:38:00
Speaker
Uh, it's, I'm really excited to play this.
00:38:02
Speaker
Uh, I have a friend who's, who was involved.
00:38:05
Speaker
Um,
00:38:06
Speaker
with the development of the... Well, it's Tony, who was involved in the development of the homebrew.
00:38:13
Speaker
And it had enough following, and it's a good game.
00:38:18
Speaker
So I'm curious to see what they can do.
00:38:20
Speaker
And it is...
00:38:23
Speaker
It's theme-y enough, theme-adjacent, I guess, that you can do this without paying a licensing fee.
00:38:31
Speaker
So I think it's a good move for them.
00:38:34
Speaker
And there was enough goodwill for people who were able to play this homebrew.
00:38:38
Speaker
I think it would be a good game for American Pinball because they're not dealing in stern numbers.
00:38:45
Speaker
I just want to know why it took so long.
00:38:48
Speaker
Riot Pinball had this out and playing and flipping.
00:38:51
Speaker
with a Buffalo pinball showed up last year.
00:38:54
Speaker
Yes.
00:38:54
Speaker
Uh, same with straight down the middle.
00:38:57
Speaker
So if this is American pinball's next game, why did it take a year?
00:39:01
Speaker
Like, I hope, I hope there's some kind of explanation there.
00:39:04
Speaker
Well, I, I think what it is, is there is a big difference between, uh, a homebrew and something that is ready for manufacturing.
00:39:15
Speaker
True.
00:39:16
Speaker
So you can do something that is a one-off that you can build yourself, uh,
00:39:20
Speaker
But there is a mass production component to things and making sure that's done right takes time.
00:39:30
Speaker
So, you know, you have to do all the, you know, the, the correct licensing and the testing on it.
00:39:37
Speaker
And so you can get certified.
00:39:39
Speaker
So there's all that that goes on, on with this.
00:39:43
Speaker
And so I, I'm not surprised it takes that long to make sure that it's done.
00:39:48
Speaker
I think about something like cactus Canyon or, you know, attack from Mars.
00:39:53
Speaker
I mean, all those games were done.
00:39:56
Speaker
And it still took Chicago gaming a while to pretty them up and release them.
00:40:03
Speaker
So that doesn't surprise me.
00:40:04
Speaker
I would rather someone take more time and get it right than just releasing it before it's due.
00:40:12
Speaker
Yep.
00:40:13
Speaker
Good point.
00:40:14
Speaker
So I'm excited for this game, though.
00:40:16
Speaker
It looks fun.
00:40:18
Speaker
It looks like a great...
00:40:23
Speaker
Man, I don't want to insult it, but it doesn't have a lot of the bells and whistles that, you know, Godzilla would have or any machine from either JJP or Stern, you know, because they're going to have something that's really cool mech-wise in there.
00:40:40
Speaker
So this is not going to have that, but it will have good flow or it could have good flow, I guess.
00:40:45
Speaker
And if it has good code behind it, then I think that they will find a market for this.
00:40:51
Speaker
Yeah, I agree.
00:40:53
Speaker
More pun balls, always good pinball.
00:40:54
Speaker
And then obviously we'll be able to play it here at expo.
00:40:56
Speaker
So an American pinball, I would argue that American pinball has a decent reputation.
00:41:02
Speaker
Like I don't know too many.
00:41:04
Speaker
I haven't heard of people buying American pinball machines and then saying, well, they're broken down all the time or they're unreliable.
00:41:12
Speaker
I think people haven't been, some designs haven't, well, I guess some themes really haven't connected with people, but I don't know of anybody who said, well, it was a terrible machine.
00:41:27
Speaker
They just said it wasn't for them.
00:41:28
Speaker
So I'm really curious to see.
00:41:31
Speaker
This is a good step for American Pinball.
00:41:35
Speaker
If you remember, Rob Burke, when we were talking to him back in April, holy crap, that was forever ago.
00:41:40
Speaker
We were talking about Expo.
00:41:41
Speaker
It was April or May.
00:41:43
Speaker
And he said by this time, he said at Expo, they'd be revealing four new games, at least four new games from four distributors.
00:41:54
Speaker
So Stern's release two, uh...
00:41:57
Speaker
CGCs with Cactus Canyon, American Pinball with Legends of Valhalla.
00:42:03
Speaker
There's four games already.
00:42:04
Speaker
Yeah, and I would say that it's close enough that you could say, even with Godzilla there, it'll be the Godzilla show.
00:42:16
Speaker
Every show has one game that seems to be featured, and Godzilla is going to rule this thing.
00:42:23
Speaker
So is it Godzilla or do you think because the other room and rumor right now, we're hearing all these rumors guns or not guns, Rosa, sorry.
00:42:32
Speaker
We're hearing that Jersey Jack pinball will be unveiling toy story at expo as well.
00:42:37
Speaker
And on top of that, they officially announced that they had hired another designer, Mark Sedan.
00:42:44
Speaker
I don't know if you've watched his stuff on Facebook or on YouTube.
00:42:47
Speaker
He did the Metroid homebrew, which looks fantastic.
00:42:50
Speaker
A man after my own heart.
00:42:51
Speaker
I love me some Metroid.
00:42:53
Speaker
And the other rumor going around is this is Pat Lawler's last official game with JJP, and he will go into retirement mode.
00:43:02
Speaker
Whether he stays in the background and helps as more like a Gomez, we don't know.
00:43:07
Speaker
But that is the other rumor floating around at this point.
00:43:09
Speaker
So what are your thoughts on that, Scott?
00:43:12
Speaker
Toy Story will come out.
00:43:13
Speaker
I don't think it'll be announced at Expo.
00:43:17
Speaker
I think they're still too far behind on Guns N' Roses.
00:43:21
Speaker
I actually just played a Guns N' Roses last night.
00:43:24
Speaker
I helped my friend unbox his Guns N' Roses.
00:43:28
Speaker
And we played it.
00:43:29
Speaker
And so they are just still getting through Guns N' Roses.
00:43:35
Speaker
Now, I know that flies in the face of what we talked about with Stern and there are timelines to the licenses.
00:43:44
Speaker
So is there is it possible that they could get pressure from the license to release it sooner than later?
00:43:52
Speaker
Yes.
00:43:54
Speaker
However, if you look at the track record of Stern versus the track record of JJP, this track record of Stern is three cornerstones and a bonus.
00:44:03
Speaker
So whether or not that's a premium or a home pin.
00:44:07
Speaker
So Stern basically has four options every year.
00:44:11
Speaker
JJP has one option every two years.
00:44:15
Speaker
And Guns N' Roses was announced last year and they seem to be ramping up with production.
00:44:21
Speaker
But I would be shocked if they actually released Toy Story just because there doesn't seem to be any buildup buzz.
00:44:30
Speaker
And do you want to go against all these other four games that are coming out?
00:44:35
Speaker
I think it would be bad, but it's Christmas is coming up though.
00:44:39
Speaker
And that's a good family pin.
00:44:42
Speaker
So it's the worst kept secret other than JJP was making Guns N' Roses is that they're making Toy Story.
00:44:49
Speaker
I would not shock me.
00:44:51
Speaker
I know it would shock you, but it would not shock me.
00:44:53
Speaker
And the reason being Expo is like their bread and butter for reveals.
00:44:59
Speaker
October 2020, we saw Guns N' Roses.
00:45:03
Speaker
It wasn't at Expo, but then again, Expo was virtual.
00:45:06
Speaker
So there is that.
00:45:08
Speaker
the expo before that, 2019, we saw Wonka.
00:45:13
Speaker
That's the year that we started podcasting.
00:45:17
Speaker
We did the show with Martin on that, on Head to Head.
00:45:20
Speaker
And the year before that in 2018 was Jersey Jack's Pirates of the Caribbean.
00:45:25
Speaker
It was the year before that.
00:45:27
Speaker
But I know they've been consistent for almost every year now.
00:45:31
Speaker
They've released a pinball machine at Expo.
00:45:33
Speaker
Okay, but the difference is on this is that the sales on Guns N' Roses are still strong.
00:45:43
Speaker
The sales on the other ones were tailing off.
00:45:48
Speaker
With pirates, they actually showed that too early when it wasn't ready.
00:45:53
Speaker
And it definitely affected their sales.
00:45:56
Speaker
Wonka didn't seem to be a huge seller.
00:46:00
Speaker
I know Dialed In didn't seem to be a huge seller either.
00:46:03
Speaker
And so their most produced pin up to this point has been Wizard of Oz.
00:46:09
Speaker
But I would anticipate that Guns N' Roses will surpass that.
00:46:14
Speaker
I still think that they're going to release.
00:46:16
Speaker
And the reason being is they're producing Wonkas right now.
00:46:19
Speaker
Okay.
00:46:20
Speaker
Their other line is producing a game that, like, if it was Guns N' Roses and sales are still super strong, they'd have both lines producing Guns N' Roses.
00:46:28
Speaker
And granted, that means you have to have all the parts and yada, yada, yada, et cetera, et cetera.
00:46:32
Speaker
But I strongly feel like Toy Story is going to be shown at Expo.
00:46:36
Speaker
Okay.
00:46:37
Speaker
All right.
00:46:37
Speaker
So I'll bet you.
00:46:40
Speaker
If Toy Story is shown, then I will buy you dinner.
00:46:43
Speaker
If Toy Story is not shown, you buy me dinner.
00:46:45
Speaker
All right.
00:46:46
Speaker
Sounds like a plan.
00:46:48
Speaker
I can go with that.
00:46:51
Speaker
As Pat Lawler, it being his swan song or his last one, wouldn't surprise me at all.
00:46:56
Speaker
I mean, Pat's getting older and eventually you have to start looking at raising new designers.
00:47:07
Speaker
So that's what surprised me about Richie going over there too.
00:47:13
Speaker
For me, I would have been more confident in Richie announcing his retirement than actually that he was switching companies.
00:47:21
Speaker
So that surprised me.
00:47:24
Speaker
That's the thing.
00:47:26
Speaker
You've got four designers with a company that produces one game at most once a year.
00:47:32
Speaker
Things are going to be switching up.
00:47:33
Speaker
There's got to be a guarantee.
00:47:36
Speaker
There's no other logical explanation at this point.
00:47:39
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:39
Speaker
It doesn't make financial sense to hire four people and to have them design a game every four years.
00:47:47
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:48
Speaker
That doesn't work.
00:47:49
Speaker
Well, if that was the case, look at Richie.
00:47:51
Speaker
He wouldn't be making, he's 72.
00:47:52
Speaker
Is that what he said on our podcast?
00:47:53
Speaker
72,
Nostalgia and Designer Insights
00:47:54
Speaker
73?
00:47:54
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:54
Speaker
That makes him 75, 76?
00:47:56
Speaker
Yeah, so he's going to make two more games?
00:48:00
Speaker
I mean, come on.
00:48:01
Speaker
So they obviously have designs to ramp up production.
00:48:07
Speaker
Um, not, not the best year to ramp up production, but they have designs to do it.
00:48:11
Speaker
I think this is my thought process.
00:48:13
Speaker
I think that it's, I'm going to go to a sports analogy here.
00:48:17
Speaker
Um, sometimes sports teams will hire the old man to have, have a mentor, great locker room presence.
00:48:28
Speaker
Um,
00:48:29
Speaker
They're just someone that kind of helps carry the torch from the old guard to the new guard.
00:48:34
Speaker
I see it a lot in soccer.
00:48:36
Speaker
Yeah, you have to know how to do it.
00:48:38
Speaker
And so Pat and Steve obviously know how to make pinball machines.
00:48:43
Speaker
Obviously.
00:48:44
Speaker
Yeah.
00:48:45
Speaker
You know, I played Twilight Zone a couple weeks ago.
00:48:47
Speaker
I still love that game.
00:48:49
Speaker
It makes the nostalgia in me, but it blows Adam's family out of the water.
00:48:53
Speaker
I don't know why Adam's family...
00:48:56
Speaker
is so revered compared to twilight zones.
00:48:57
Speaker
Good.
00:48:58
Speaker
You could, you could put it's chopping wood.
00:49:00
Speaker
Don't get me wrong.
00:49:01
Speaker
Adams was the first that it's the first actual mode based game.
00:49:05
Speaker
So that that's, that was the, the inflection point when everything changed.
00:49:10
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:11
Speaker
Well, you could technically argue that fun house was the first mode based game.
00:49:15
Speaker
Oh, well, you technically had modes.
00:49:18
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:18
Speaker
Adam's family was the one that actually broke it though.
00:49:22
Speaker
Yeah, that made it to what it should be.
00:49:25
Speaker
But Twilight, man, I know it's woodchoppy.
00:49:27
Speaker
Don't send me hate mail on because of the faults of Twilight.
00:49:32
Speaker
But Twilight is a good game.
00:49:33
Speaker
When was the last time you saw magnets used as flippers?
00:49:36
Speaker
I know.
00:49:39
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:40
Speaker
Oh, um, um, uh, whatchamacallit, uh, Ghostbusters.
00:49:44
Speaker
And that didn't work out so well.
00:49:45
Speaker
The frame.
00:49:46
Speaker
Those, those were for the slings and that was a terrible idea.
00:49:49
Speaker
That much chaos right, right above the flipper is never a good idea.
00:49:53
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:53
Speaker
But you are right on Twilight Zone in that, um, you know, Josh Sharp is on record of saying that it's his love hate game because, you know, in a tournament mode, it's, it's just, um,
00:50:08
Speaker
it's very straightforward.
00:50:09
Speaker
You do the same thing every time and it's just choppy.
00:50:12
Speaker
But if you play it as in, you want to go into the zone, it's, it's challenging and fun.
00:50:18
Speaker
So, but if you're just going for points, yeah, it's not balanced.
00:50:22
Speaker
Well, I want to wrap this up with, uh, I want to do a quick thoughts on our last interview.
00:50:28
Speaker
Since we really didn't get to talk about, we kind of wrap things up and then we shut it down.
00:50:32
Speaker
What were your thoughts on L1?
00:50:33
Speaker
Have you had any responses?
00:50:35
Speaker
I know we've, we've had responses.
00:50:36
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:37
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:37
Speaker
Okay.
00:50:38
Speaker
The best thing about Elwynn is that Keith is comfortable being Keith.
00:50:45
Speaker
And I would say that he's not dumb.
00:50:50
Speaker
He knows he's a great designer.
00:50:51
Speaker
He knows he's a great player.
00:50:54
Speaker
But it doesn't feel like he is stressed out.
00:50:58
Speaker
He still feels like he's having fun.
00:51:00
Speaker
And it sounds like he is, I mean, it's all, it's always work, but he is enjoying the process of it.
00:51:08
Speaker
So I, I love getting his perspective and it, it still seems like he's in that honeymoon phase of, I've never done all this stuff before.
00:51:19
Speaker
And so everything is new territory.
00:51:22
Speaker
It's not like Steve Ritchie, who's been designing, you know, games for 40 years.
00:51:26
Speaker
You know, Keith has four games under his belt and he, he just seems to be on such a, such an accelerated course that he could probably produce a, you know, a game, every other release because he, he is that he, he seems to be having fun and driven.
00:51:50
Speaker
Um, that was my take home on the interview.
00:51:53
Speaker
Um,
00:51:54
Speaker
But I don't know.
00:51:55
Speaker
What was your thought?
00:51:58
Speaker
I thought it was a really good interview.
00:52:00
Speaker
There was a lot of insight there.
00:52:01
Speaker
I didn't realize that Avengers was supposed to be releasing now and Godzilla was supposed to be releasing then.
00:52:09
Speaker
I wonder what the switch up was for.
00:52:12
Speaker
And I don't know, it's, I'm always curious.
00:52:14
Speaker
I know that they'll never say.
00:52:16
Speaker
Or at least they're not allowed to say at this point.
00:52:19
Speaker
Well, and it could be anything from licensing approval.
00:52:24
Speaker
It could be part shortages.
00:52:26
Speaker
It could be developing that one mech.
00:52:29
Speaker
I mean, that was the problem with Pirates of the Caribbean, right?
00:52:32
Speaker
Is they had this really awesome and they pushed it so hard.
00:52:35
Speaker
We have this triple spinning disc.
00:52:37
Speaker
And then they, they decided to pull it out and it became a big trap door for the sales.
00:52:44
Speaker
Um, so when you have any sort of mech that takes a while to develop that it could, maybe it's something like that.
00:52:51
Speaker
Again, speculation, but, um, that, that was interesting that he was far enough ahead that they could do that though.
00:52:59
Speaker
That seems amazing to me.
00:53:01
Speaker
Yeah.
00:53:02
Speaker
To that you could leapfrog yourself.
00:53:05
Speaker
when the time to develop is about 15 months.
00:53:11
Speaker
So that says how much energy he has right now in developing pinball machines.
00:53:16
Speaker
Well, and from my understanding, Godzilla wasn't even supposed to release now.
00:53:18
Speaker
We were supposed to see a different pinball machine at this point.
00:53:22
Speaker
So like you said, that time frame, that's short.
00:53:26
Speaker
I don't know.
00:53:27
Speaker
Like he said on the episode, it's like his first time he's had a break in the last 12 months because it seriously went from Avengers directly into Godzilla.
00:53:36
Speaker
And just his, I mean, I feel bad for poor Rick Nagel, man.
00:53:38
Speaker
That man is coding constantly.
00:53:40
Speaker
Well, I mean, yeah, there's a team, right?
00:53:43
Speaker
But it's a team that works well together.
00:53:46
Speaker
I mean, I was playing, you know, I was playing Jurassic Park tonight and that's such a great game.
00:53:52
Speaker
And Avengers, I love playing that game.
00:53:54
Speaker
And
00:53:55
Speaker
Um, you know, I'm still looking forward to getting my iron maiden.
00:53:58
Speaker
Um, you know, at some point when, uh, I get squeezed in, uh, because of all the shortages, but you know, they, they have been making some iron maiden premium.
00:54:07
Speaker
So hopefully I'm just in the queue sometime.
00:54:09
Speaker
So.
00:54:10
Speaker
Yep.
00:54:11
Speaker
Well, and like I said, it's all about the team.
00:54:14
Speaker
I know that we focus so much on designers this day and age.
00:54:17
Speaker
It really is about the full team because code takes so much up on these pinball machines now.
00:54:22
Speaker
Right.
00:54:23
Speaker
And design is just kind of honestly a small aspect of the whole process now compared to code and artwork and integration and just adapting the theme perfectly with the layout.
00:54:38
Speaker
There's a lot of irons in the fire and I'm impressed.
00:54:41
Speaker
It's easy to make an okay game.
00:54:43
Speaker
It's hard to make a great game.
00:54:46
Speaker
And that has been proven over the last five years easily.
00:54:49
Speaker
There are some games who...
00:54:51
Speaker
it releases and it just doesn't connect with me.
00:54:54
Speaker
There are other games where there is that secret sauce that's in there.
00:54:59
Speaker
So I, I want to know though, um, people, uh, reach out to us.
00:55:04
Speaker
If you are going to expo, what are you looking forward to?
00:55:07
Speaker
And what were your thoughts on the interview, uh, with Elwin?
00:55:10
Speaker
What, what are your takeaway?
00:55:11
Speaker
But definitely what are you, what are you looking forward to at expo?
00:55:14
Speaker
We had to do, we did have a couple of comments.
00:55:16
Speaker
Um, someone wrote us like the morning after the Elwin interview, uh, Elwin on loser kids, everything is now right with the world.
00:55:24
Speaker
Yeah.
00:55:28
Speaker
It was funny.
00:55:29
Speaker
I had to get, I smiled.
00:55:31
Speaker
Yeah.
00:55:31
Speaker
Um, I did, I do apologize.
00:55:33
Speaker
We did get a couple of emails that I did not respond back to.
00:55:35
Speaker
I will get, I will get to you.
00:55:37
Speaker
I appreciate a couple handfuls of people that have reached out to us.
00:55:40
Speaker
So, um,
00:55:42
Speaker
And tomorrow I'm going to be mailing out some stuff with product shortages.
00:55:48
Speaker
We were planning on doing some special hats, but there's some product shortages.
00:55:52
Speaker
So we're seeing what we can do.
00:55:55
Speaker
I can't even get our baseball hat that we're used to getting.
00:55:58
Speaker
It's a product shortage, man.
00:55:59
Speaker
It even affects loser kid hats.
00:56:01
Speaker
So, you know, thanks, COVID.
00:56:04
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:05
Speaker
Thanks COVID.
00:56:07
Speaker
How did that go?
00:56:07
Speaker
Is that right?
00:56:08
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:09
Speaker
Like the thanks Obama.
00:56:10
Speaker
Thanks Obama.
00:56:11
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:11
Speaker
Thanks COVID.
00:56:12
Speaker
No, it's fine.
Industry Challenges and Light-hearted Stories
00:56:13
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:13
Speaker
No, I did, I did get my booster though.
00:56:15
Speaker
So I'm triple, uh, I, I, I get like, like, uh, 5g with my phone.
00:56:21
Speaker
Like no problem.
00:56:22
Speaker
I have like three chips in my arm now.
00:56:23
Speaker
It's awesome.
00:56:24
Speaker
Nice.
00:56:25
Speaker
You're going to come to X ball, roided up, ready to go.
00:56:30
Speaker
I'll have to go get my booster before I head off this weekend or next week.
00:56:35
Speaker
So what was the other thing I wanted to?
00:56:39
Speaker
Oh, we got the most random email.
00:56:42
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I'm sorry.
00:56:42
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I'm going to bring this up because I'm not endorsing this movie at all.
00:56:47
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I don't know who made this movie.
00:56:48
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It was released last year.
00:56:49
Speaker
It's a pinball movie.
00:56:52
Speaker
It's called Bump Kowalski and the Ten Commandments.
00:56:55
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Very independent.
00:56:57
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It's on Amazon Prime.
00:57:00
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Go watch the trailer and tell me what you think.
00:57:04
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So at least tell us what they are in for when they click on that link.
00:57:09
Speaker
I don't even know what you're in for.
00:57:10
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Like, I watched it, and I still don't know if I fully understand it.
00:57:13
Speaker
So apparently it's about this...
00:57:15
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amazing pinball player from like 1979 and something about there's pinball commandments and they kind of tell you about them during the trailer i don't know the trailer's almost three minutes long it gives you a pretty good idea i haven't watched it it doesn't look like my kind of movie i'm not gonna lie i okay but it sounds interesting
00:57:40
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It looks like someone tried to go Big Lebowski pinball style.
00:57:44
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Yeah, probably.
00:57:45
Speaker
That's kind of the vibes I'm getting.
00:57:47
Speaker
Okay.
00:57:49
Speaker
Like I said, will someone watch it for me and tell me yay or nay?
00:57:53
Speaker
First, tell me what you're into.
00:57:55
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So if you're really into Big Lebowski and to Jackass, maybe it gives me an idea of what kind of movie this is.
00:58:05
Speaker
All right.
00:58:05
Speaker
All right.
00:58:06
Speaker
I am...
00:58:09
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I have missed part of my bro card.
00:58:11
Speaker
I, I watched big Lebowski once and I never really understood why people love that show, but you know, who knows?
00:58:18
Speaker
I still haven't seen Forrest Gump either.
00:58:20
Speaker
Obviously you don't smoke a bunch of weed and drink a lot of white Russians.
00:58:23
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Okay.
00:58:23
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Not yet.
00:58:24
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Not yet.
00:58:24
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So pee on rugs.
00:58:26
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Yeah.
00:58:27
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So I just remember the bowling scene, dude.
00:58:30
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One of my favorite movies of all time and people, you either a haven't heard of this or it might not be your cup of tea.
00:58:37
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but grind.
00:58:38
Speaker
Did you ever watch grind back in 2000, like 2002, somewhere on there?
00:58:43
Speaker
Uh, nope.
00:58:44
Speaker
Oh, it's about these four, it's about these four skateboarders.
00:58:47
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They go cross country to like go compete in this giant competition.
00:58:52
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Hilarious.
00:58:53
Speaker
No, but I did see, uh, um, I watched on a plane, Detroit rock city, which was produced by Gene Simmons about four kids who were trying to go to a rush, or excuse me, a kiss concert.
00:59:04
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Nice.
00:59:04
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And yeah, that it,
00:59:06
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It's about as not awesome as you thought it was going to be.
00:59:12
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Yeah, Grind is definitely acquired taste.
00:59:14
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So it's probably the same with his Detroit Rock City or whatever.
00:59:18
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Okay.
00:59:20
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All right.
00:59:20
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So if you've watched Bump Kowalski, let us know so we don't have to watch it.
00:59:26
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Yeah, the producer or something reached out to us, asked if we'd talk about it.
00:59:29
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And I was just like...
00:59:31
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You know, I'm curious.
00:59:34
Speaker
I don't really have much time, but I'm curious.
00:59:36
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So I need someone to review it and say, yes, go watch it.
00:59:41
Speaker
Or no.
00:59:43
Speaker
Okay, come on.
00:59:44
Speaker
Or we're putting it in the Elvira game as one of the B movies, B or C movies.
00:59:49
Speaker
It may be, but I don't think they're going for, they are not going for Oscars with this thing.
00:59:55
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Well, and it definitely is independent.
00:59:57
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It is an indie movie.
00:59:59
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That should explain it right there.
01:00:01
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It is listed as a drama, though.
01:00:04
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But it's pinball, so I wanted to help somewhat draw attention.
01:00:07
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I don't know.
01:00:08
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I'm curious.
01:00:09
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I don't know.
01:00:10
Speaker
Now I kind of wish I would have bought that clone that was made of sandalwood, so that was pinball.
01:00:14
Speaker
Interesting.
01:00:15
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Interesting.
01:00:18
Speaker
Oh, all right.
01:00:19
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Well, if you, if you guys end up going to expo, hit us up.
01:00:23
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We'll, we'll certainly be wearing our loser kid hats and probably some shirts walking around expo.
01:00:29
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You'll probably be hanging out together most of the time.
01:00:31
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So, so Scott, I was talking about this with my wife and I asked her opinion on it, but I want to know your opinion before I give you hers.
01:00:39
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How do you feel about us wearing our own merchandise?
01:00:42
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Is that weird or no?
01:00:45
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Okay, I don't think it's weird because I don't think we're big enough to make it weird.
01:00:50
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It's fun.
01:00:51
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And that's the easiest way for someone to identify us is if we're wearing a loser kid hat or a loser kid shirt.
01:00:59
Speaker
It would be weird if Tom Brady wore his jersey into like a sports bar.
01:01:05
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But we're not really Tom Brady.
01:01:07
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And so I don't think it's a big deal.
01:01:09
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It's probably the easiest way for people to identify us.
01:01:12
Speaker
If two dudes are walking around Pinball Expo and they both have loser kid hats on, it's probably easy way to come and say, hey, hey, I listened to you or whatever.
01:01:21
Speaker
Hey, what's up?
01:01:23
Speaker
You should totally, if Keith Elwin's wearing his Loser Kid hat for the interview, you should walk up to him.
01:01:27
Speaker
I love you on the Loser Kid Pinball podcast.
01:01:29
Speaker
That would be hilarious, but yeah.
01:01:32
Speaker
I wonder how many hats we will see this at Expo.
01:01:34
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I don't know.
01:01:35
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I've shipped out more of those than I can count.
01:01:37
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I'm bringing a few extra, and so you can always try to hit me up for a hat.
01:01:42
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Yeah.
01:01:42
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But yeah, I don't think it's a big deal because I don't think we're big enough to make it a big deal.
01:01:47
Speaker
Yeah, true.
01:01:48
Speaker
So, so what'd your wife say?
01:01:51
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She's like, well, if you worked at Walmart, you'd wear a world.
01:01:54
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Well, she didn't say Walmart.
01:01:55
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Sorry.
01:01:56
Speaker
It's your product.
01:01:57
Speaker
You know, Hey, I shop at Walmart.
01:01:59
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It's fine.
01:02:00
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I'm not an anti Walmart.
01:02:03
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It's part of your products.
01:02:04
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It's part of your company.
01:02:05
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So yeah, I think it's a brand.
01:02:07
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So I'm totally fine with wearing it.
01:02:09
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So, so.
01:02:10
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If you want to get ahold of us, we are loser kid pinball podcast at gmail.com.
01:02:14
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If you're looking for us on the show's socials, we are at loser kid pinball on Facebook, Twitter, Twitch, and Instagram.
01:02:23
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We appreciate your comments and responses on there and your likes.
01:02:27
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If you want to message us, honestly, Facebook is the easiest way to do it is through Messenger.
01:02:33
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Do our personal accounts.
01:02:34
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At least with me, for some odd reason, it doesn't like to come through on my phone for the Loser Kid account.
01:02:41
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I get it, but I usually tell you about it.
01:02:45
Speaker
So other than that, you got anything else for us, Scott, before we sign off?
01:02:48
Speaker
No, it's great.
01:02:48
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Again, if you're going to Expo, hit us up.
01:02:51
Speaker
We're not scheduled for anything, so we're going to be walking around and having a good time.
01:02:55
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Yep.
01:02:55
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See you in two weeks.
01:02:58
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See you next week.
01:03:00
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Something like that.
01:03:00
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Yeah, I'll see you next week.
01:03:01
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See you in Chicago.
01:03:03
Speaker
May I do some live streaming while we're at Expo so you can chat with us.
01:03:07
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All right.
01:03:08
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Later.
01:03:08
Speaker
Later.
01:03:27
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Shut up and sit down.