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Magnolia Parks: Into the Dark Recap ft. @Kimmybookss | S3Ep12
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This episode features MAJOR Spoilers for Magnolia Parks: Into The Dark by Jessa Hastings! Proceed with caution!
Our beloved friend Kimmy from @kimmybookss is back to recap the recent Magnolia Parks Universe installment, Magnolia Parks: Into the Dark by Jessa Hastings. We talk in detail about the best, most jaw-dropping and tear-inducing moments, while stating our hopes for the rest of the series. For more of the infamous Kimmy follow her on Instagram.
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Introduction of 'Bring Your Own' Podcast
00:00:05
Speaker
Hello. Hi. Welcome to Bring Your Own at Catch All Bookishness. I'm Brandi. I'm Kendra. I'm Kayla. And today we have possibly the biggest fan favorite in BYO. Literally.
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Speaker
for months.
Kimmy's Anticipated Appearance
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Speaker
People have been banging our line. Where's Kimmy? Where's Kimmy? Kimmy books, please. Like we don't, we don't want to listen to y'all. We just want to listen to Kimmy. Literally the day Magnolia Parks came out, like into the dark. They're like, when's Kimmy's episode coming? We went to readers take Denver. People are coming up to Kimmy being like, Oh my God, I listened to your episode of Bring Your Own all the time. Like
00:00:44
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That might be our most listened to episode. I don't know the stats, but I'm just gonna put that out there. That's just so crazy to me. The fact that people know that version of me. Bro, but it's funny. The Christian defender. Yeah, that's... So yeah, I'll take that. I'll take that title.
00:00:58
Speaker
If you haven't figured it out, we have the one and only Kimmy here at Kimmy's Books, an icon, a legend, a star, the one and only, and we are here today to talk a spoiler field of Magnolia Parks Into the Dark that came out in February. It's been a few months. We've had some time to sit on it. We were also waiting on Kimmy to finish it, so she finally...
Kimmy's Recent Reads Discussion
00:01:19
Speaker
Whoa, not too much, not too much. Sorry, sorry, sorry. She finally did, and we are just gonna have a blast. Oh my God, I get to be Brandi.
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But before we begin, what is everyone reading? What is everyone drinking? Kimmy, you can go first. Yeah, okay. So it is early in the morning, at least to me. I don't get up early. So I'm only drinking a water. Yum, yum.
00:01:43
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I just finished two books like yesterday. So I finished Past, Present, Future, which is the second, it's like the duet. Rachel and Solomon, Today, Tonight, Tomorrow is amazing. It's so cute. It's so good. It comes out next month. And then I just finished The Reappearance of Rachel Price by Holly Jackson, which was, I was going to give it a three until that last 20%, like she ate. Oh, okay. That's always better when it happens that way instead of the other way where it's like, oh, this is so good and then the ending sucks.
00:02:11
Speaker
Yeah, because the main character was insufferable. God, like she's like, I haven't read a character that I genuinely hated in years. Like that was crazy. Oh, yeah. So she was until 20% of the last. What was the final rating?
00:02:25
Speaker
Oh, I gave it four stars just because the ending. Besides that, I would have given it 2.5. Like I hated it. I hated her so much. And now I'm currently listening to the accidental dating experiment by Lauren Blakely because Jacob Morgan narrates it. Yeah, I just got that one. What is it? Andy aren't or something. So yeah. Yeah. Amazing. I'll go. I'm switching it up today, guys. I have don't have water.
00:02:51
Speaker
I don't have a chai and I don't have a Coke Zero. So please clap. Everybody clap. Thank you. I have a poppy today. I have an orange poppy. I have tried this flavor before and I do like this one. So I went back and I got another one.
Hosts Share Current Reads and Activities
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Speaker
I bought another flavor while I was there. A poppy. Stay tuned for my rating. Yes. Kendra's like, mmm, so now Alipop, interesting. Target, the Target doesn't have
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Speaker
It does. You're just looking in the wrong direction. It's in the refrigerated section up front of the store where they have all the drinks in the refrigerator. Yeah, Ollie Pops have to stay refrigerated. Why is that? Why does the poppy have to? Because they're all natural. Yeah, Ollie Pop has the active ingredients in it because it's all fiber probiotic base. That's why I think poppy's a scam. You're just drinking juice. The ingredients?
00:03:44
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or they look natural from what I can tell. I don't know. Next time you go to Target, go to that section. I know what section I'm talking about, too. I do know what section you're talking about. That's where I found the Ollie Pop the first time I had it in Walmart, so there you go.
00:03:58
Speaker
Oh, and I'm reading this book that I'm really enjoying. I'm listening to it. It's called Summer Fridays, and the author is Suzanne Rindell. It takes place in 1999. It's about these two people who both learn that they are being cheated on, like their partners are cheating on them with each other, and then they start corresponding through email. Oh, you're perfect. Yeah, kind of.
00:04:28
Speaker
Um, so they, yeah, I start corresponding through dial up email and everything. So it's really interesting. It's kind of fun. That takes place in New York. Love a good New York setting. So I'm really enjoying it. I'll finish it today. And I'm not physically reading anything at the moment. Uh, I haven't, I haven't physically read anything for a couple of days and it's been kind of nice. Take a little break. Yeah. Kayla was so eager to tell me that.
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The cheater in that book is named Kendra. It is. She was ecstatic to tell me that. I was not ecstatic to say. I was just like, so just so you know, you're the villain in this book. Sorry, but you are the villain. That's so funny. I am currently drinking an ice-cormol latte. But I made it home. Every time. Cormol. Every time. Making it stop.
00:05:17
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And I am, I'm gonna be so annoying, but at least I'm self-aware. I'm reading a book I can't talk about right now. It's an alpha read. I'm so sorry, that was so annoying. But then I'm also listening to, I've been like on an audio book kick, you guys. My boyfriend has been like- You've been like getting through books. You really are, yeah.
00:05:38
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My boyfriend has had like a bunch of gigs recently. He's a classical musician and it's just like gig season and I've been home alone a lot. So I've just been like crafting and listening to audio books like crazy and it's been really fun. So I'm listening to the wild season series by Christina Lauren, which
00:05:56
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I knew that. Which one is Ivy Owens? Is it Christina or Lauren? It's, uh, uh, I don't, I don't know. I can't even tell you which one the blonde one or the Brudette one is. Did you read scandalized? No, I didn't know that was Christina Lauren. What the heck?
00:06:11
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Yeah, it was one of them. Yeah. So crazy.
Fanfiction to Film and Literature Impact
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You should re-scandalize on audio. It's so fun. But like whichever one wrote that one, I knew that they had the spice in them like to write spice like that. But I didn't know you guys like that whole book. It's so short and it's all smut and it's so fun. I had so much fun. It was very angsty. I didn't get as pissed off at the plot as I know Kendra did in the first one. It was stupid.
00:06:38
Speaker
I liked it. The smut was great. Like you said, like, oh, my God. But then if you remove that and you look at their relationship, you're like, what the fuck?
00:06:48
Speaker
The smut is the point. Yeah. So I'm in the second one right now. I'm not as enjoying this one as much as the first one, but I'm only halfway through. I've never been a huge like I'm not like a Dom Gurley by trade. Like I'm not like that's not something I'm immediately like, oh, this is fun. You know, so I'm it's not bad. It's definitely not bad. I'm just enjoying the first one a little bit more right now. I haven't read any of the other ones after the second one. But yeah, those first two were
00:07:18
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Kind of crazy. Yeah, I wonder if you like this, Brandy, you should read their first series that was based off of their Twilight fanfiction, the beautiful series. Yeah, like the beautiful disaster. That's what that series is based off of Twilight. Yeah. I had a whole conversation yesterday explaining to my friends that that's the thing of fan fictions being turned into books. Because we were talking about the new Anne Hathaway movie. And my friend, who's a big Harry, was like, oh, I hate that they do that. And I was like, well, it's not the first, it won't be the last. It's just a thing. Yeah, it's always been a thing.
00:07:49
Speaker
Okay, so I am drinking two drinks. I have coffee and water. And then I'm reading three books. So I'm reading expiration dates by Rebecca Searle. I read her book in five years. I think she like has like a kink for like twists that I don't enjoy.
00:08:08
Speaker
But like the stories end up being good. But I'm like, why is this like the thing that you are like relying on to like push a narrative? It's really annoying. So I'm reading that physically expiration date. This is my first physical book of the year. And then I'm reading Crash by Ruby McNally, which is Katie Kutagno's pin name on Kindle Unlimited. Oh, yeah, it's been out for years, but it was never on Kindle Unlimited. I think she put it on KU like a year or two ago. It's like fun, like nothing crazy. Like you can just tell she just wanted to like write people having sex. So I'm like,
00:08:36
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I'm here for it. And then I am listening to City of Lost Souls by Cassandra Clare, which is book five in the Mortal Instruments series. And I'm having a blast, but also realizing that Cassandra Clare forgets a lot of what she writes because something happened. And I was like, no one thought to be like, Hey guys, this happened like years ago. Like maybe let's learn from our mistakes. She's not, I'm having a great time though. So yeah, that is where I'm at.
00:09:05
Speaker
Okay, so before we like fully jump in and discuss very specific scenes and quotes and things like that, we have a couple like general overall questions about Into the Dark.
Reactions to 'Magnolia Parks Into the Dark'
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Speaker
So first guys, how did you like the book? Were you satisfied with the ending that was given to Magnolia and BJ?
00:09:29
Speaker
I know the three of us, Brandi, Kendra, and I read this like within two days. We read it very similarly to how we read the other books in this series. We devoured it so fast. It was basically like a fever dream type of a situation.
00:09:44
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I'm constantly texting back and forth about what was happening. And Kimmy took her time a little bit. She took like, how long did you take? Like a month? No, I took her two months. Two months for sure. Wow. That's crazy. It was just too much. Yeah. It's like emotionally heavy. It's like a very heavy book.
00:10:03
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I personally was satisfied with it. I don't think I had any expectations just because I had so much trust in Jessa Hastings in this series because she is like... I just mean like as far as I'm not saying I trust her to not do evil stuff. I'm saying I trust that
00:10:25
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She knows this story like back and front. So I don't think I was like, I could not make any predictions. I couldn't like think about like, what do I want to see in this book? Like I had none of that in my head. So I was just along for the ride. I had a great time. I sobbed so much. Like my eyes were so puffy while I was reading this book. And I was really happy with how it ended.
00:10:48
Speaker
Yeah, I was I was trying to think like back to when we recorded our episode I was trying to think of like what Predictions we had for this book because we at the end of the episode I'm pretty sure we talked about like oh What are what do we think's gonna happen in this next book? And I don't even remember what we said I think it was like just about relating to Magnolia and her grief journey with Bridget
00:11:10
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and a happy ending from Magnolia and BJ. And I think that was pretty much all that we could predict in this book. And that's all the book. In some sort of Julian hates reunion. Sure. This guy stinks. We'll get to that. No.
00:11:30
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We'll get to that. You know what's so funny is that Lomi, when I posted on my story the schedule of episodes that we were going to do and that this was on the schedule, she messaged me and was like, oh, I can't wait for a rematch of the Christian girlies. And I was like, Ron, it's going to be a PJ Love Fest. Yeah, yeah. Reluctantly.
00:11:52
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, I loved the book. I was super satisfied, obviously, with the ending for Magnolia B.J. I mean, there's still more story to be told, obviously, with other characters. But I was super satisfied with the ending for this one. And it just felt it was more like a like, oh, my God, finally, you know, for them. So yeah.
00:12:14
Speaker
Yeah, I think we all like, I mean, Jessa was not trying to keep it a secret that they were endgame. So like, I mean, she's in the first book, because yeah, or was it the second anytime people got a whiff of Julian, like, she was like, Oh, wait, wait. Yeah.
00:12:31
Speaker
I guess you can't even have that. Wait, so Kimmi, how did you feel, especially as somebody who took two months to read it?
Magnolia and BJ's Relationship Analysis
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Yeah, well I'm glad I did. It was extremely grief heavy and I went through some grief last year, so it was heavy for me. But I don't know, I feel like the ending was good. It was a good conclusive ending, but it's like...
00:12:52
Speaker
since I already knew this was gonna happen like okay sweetie like what's going on with the others like I knew that it was gonna be good I think what really I just was really happy with was the vows I know we'll touch that later but that I was like okay
00:13:06
Speaker
You know what? Y'all won. Y'all won. I'll give you flowers. I think I liked, in this book, the thing that also was really satisfactory was seeing that, oh, we're not stopping at Long Way Home, where they are as people. They're still growing throughout this book, even though we know where the end result is going to be like them together, their happy ending. We still got to see so much individual growth between the two of them.
00:13:33
Speaker
Yeah, and I think what is for me, even though like, yeah, they're they technically got their quote unquote happy ending, I think what's
00:13:43
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What's good for me to to know is that like, there's, they're not done growing, and there's still going to be times that you know we know that there might struggle like you know grief is not a linear timeline we know this right they're still going to be going to therapy, hopefully, they're, you know, they are going to build their own family you know they're still going to there's still going to be things that they're going to go through as a couple but I think for me it's more like I feel.
00:14:06
Speaker
I am now secure in like knowing that their relationship together, they're going to be okay. You know that I know that they're going to be okay moving forward with whatever they face at this point, because I think beforehand, you know, they were always fighting, there was always something. But now I think that they've been through all of this, and they've finally been able to reckons reconcile their their differences and go to therapy and recognize the faults for what they were. I think I'm just like, okay, I can trust. I trust in them now fully as a couple.
00:14:34
Speaker
You're talking just about the couple, right? About Magnolia and BJ. Yeah. If book one BJ went through the events of MP3, oh my God, he would have overdosed and died. So sorry, so sorry. Not to poke fun of addiction. It's just really easy to whack him for that. And he is a fictional character. But like literally like he grew so much.
00:14:59
Speaker
Yeah. And I don't know. I feel like the long way home, like even the beginning of that book and yeah.
00:15:07
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But I think the circumstances also had him like grow the fuck up quickly. Cause it's like, all right. Now there's no more plane. It's not like, you have no excuse. Like this is life. Like you got to get up. Yeah. So knowing that we're all kind of satisfied with that ending, where does this book fall in the rankings for you and in your faith books? So now there's five Magnolia parks books. Where does this one fall? Um, it's falling at three at the third place for me.
00:15:36
Speaker
Yeah. I like, um, I still really love what is it? Daisy hates obviously second day's book. And then we got, I really, MP3 is so, or two is really good to me. Like MP2 is really good. So it's still gonna get it's solid two plays for me, but I will put MP3 at third place.
00:15:57
Speaker
Yeah, I think I agree with you like Daisy hates great undoing number one, MP2 number two, and then this one third. However, once Daisy hates three comes out, I think it'll shift where this book lands because that's why like Long Way Home is up so high because it's like, oh, I see what that book set up. So I'm like, what is his book setting up? And she kind of teased it, I would say like a little less than she did in like a little more like sneaky.
00:16:22
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And she did in previous books like I cuz I genuinely don't know what's happening with the other books I had like an inclination, right? But this one I'm like, what is going on? I think for me this one
00:16:35
Speaker
I don't know. I think for me, this one, yeah, like what you said, Kendra, it could change when Daisy hates three comes out, but I actually maybe just got rose colored glasses on because this is like the newest one. But I think it would fall second for me. Daisy hates two is still number one. This one probably number two, just because like I, you know, there are so many scenes that we got that like,
00:16:58
Speaker
I cried way more in this book than I did in days and weeks, too. I bawled my eyes out. And just the wedding, the vows, that whole last 15% of that book was so special. It was so special. So I think right now it's number two for me.
00:17:12
Speaker
It's also number two for me. I think just like, there was so much stuff in The Long Way Home that pissed me off. And like, I love that book. But like, I was so relieved in this book to be able to be like, see you guys. I've been telling you like, I love BJ. Like I've never said I don't love BJ.
00:17:34
Speaker
You have said it over and over and over. I don't dislike BJ. The only time I ever fight about BJ is when someone brings up Christian first. That's the only time I ever start. But in this book, what I'm saying is I got to just like lean into that. Like I didn't have to be pissed off at him. Like I didn't have to be mad at him in Magnolia. Yeah. I'm also just like not a Julian Gurley to the same level that you guys are, which is why I think like the long way home wasn't like
00:18:01
Speaker
The angst in that book, that book was so good, but I'm- What are you better than me? It was pathetic to me. So ready. Wow. So ready. Julian, fight back. He can't. Did you see what he did in this book? He literally made a fool out of himself. Like, that ain't my- I got secondhand embarrassment. Oh, bad. We'll get into it. My chest was turning red through my melanin. That's still my man, my man, my man.
00:18:28
Speaker
That's yours, yeah. Yeah, but still the great undoing is number one for me It like feels wrong to like say that like a Daisy Christian book wouldn't be number one. Yeah, right and then this one number two
00:18:39
Speaker
Yeah, I would love to see the bj haters like try and pick him apart in this book like I just you will lose like I'm so sorry like there's just no way you can't pick him apart in this book so yeah and there's just like so much that goes into like I mean like again we're gonna talk specifics in a little bit but like seeing the journey surrounding that night of the cheating in this book I'm like if you like still hate him yeah after all of this
00:19:07
Speaker
I don't know. I don't know say like I have nothing else I could say, you know, right? So now we know where it falls in our rankings. We all love this book. We all know let's
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get into
Impact of Bridget's Death on Relationships
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specifics. We have so many scenes outlined in this book. Before we kind of get into each relationship specifically, we're gonna kind of chat about what scenes automatically stick out in our mind when we think about this book. Like when you think about this book first, what comes to your mind? I think the vows is probably like the biggest one for everybody. But what other scenes specifically do you guys think stick out to you?
00:19:43
Speaker
Okay, so I have two the bathtub. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's I guess I would be three It's a lot of them but for me like the ones I like kept thinking about Obviously when Julian shows up because I just did not know how that was gonna play out and she that's why I hate you Never mind. That's why I dislike so much She always gets the last laugh because
00:20:03
Speaker
that scene like what else could I want from that? It like gave me every look in like even more like getting in Magnolia's head about Julian like something that she tried to deny so whatever we'll talk later but like that scene really like that I reread that so many times after we finished like every night before I went to bed I was like I just need to reread it and then also the scene at the very end when BJ reads Bridget's like what Bridget's wedding speech would have been
00:20:31
Speaker
Yeah, that to me I think trumps like every like in terms of like just a level of sweetness and like care and attention If someone did that to me, I would like I don't I I couldn't like that's the love of her life like that is like true love in its purest form because it's like Romantic love on their side also like this platonic like sister brotherly love between Bridget and BJ And it was just I think about that and like my chest hurts now like yeah
00:20:59
Speaker
I guess I did her big one. I have to agree. I mean, well, for me, my big one is, gosh, okay, let me not get emotional, but the scene where Magnolia says goodbye to Bridget, finally. On the top of the mountain. I tell you, I had to reread it like three times because I was just so, like, I was sobbing. That scene sticks out to me so much because you know how hard it was for her to get to that point. And you can see her like slowly.
00:21:25
Speaker
you know literally like slowly like dropping her little habit so you can tell like she's really ready at that point and it's just yeah so that scene is like number number one for me and then obviously Bridget fells like 100% was like the yeah I piggyback off that 100% but this is so unlike me
00:21:43
Speaker
The scene where Julian and Magnolia are outside and his dumb ass decides to kiss her before he does that and gives me the second version of my lifetime. There's a line where Magnolia was like, oh, there's not that much space between us except for maybe a galaxy or two.
00:22:03
Speaker
You sick bitch. I read that. I was so mad. I literally was just looking around my room. I literally stopped. I shut down my Kindle. I sat up. I was just scoping out the scenery in my room. I was like, what would possess Jasa to do that? Like, what is wrong with you? Like, she is so evil. Like, what would possess you to do that? And Magnolia is there. And then he kissed her. Like, come there's matters where she kissed her.
00:22:34
Speaker
And then she went in home and BJ fucked her like that You like literally said I don't care like matter of fact he was watching it like oh my gosh, I just yeah
00:22:49
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that was so hard. Echoing, echoing everything you guys already said, except for the part about Kimmy thinking that Julian is pathetic. But yeah, I think the chapter where Julian and Magnolia reunite for the first time, like I had cried already before, like, you know, at the funeral when Magnolia gave the eulogy like that. But
00:23:12
Speaker
I was like full body sobbing when I read the Magnolia and Julian chapter and I was messaging. I was going to try and find my voice memo that I sent to Ken and Brandy because I'm pretty sure I still have it. Like when I was crying reading that chapter because they had already passed it before me and so I was like catching up. But yeah, I was like, I was unconsolable. That was rough.
00:23:35
Speaker
It's really rough. Yeah. Yeah. My two that stick out are the bathtub like that had me like hiccup crying. Yeah. Because I was just like like how far they've come since that like first night where he couldn't tell her what happened. And he just was like sobbing and she was sitting in his lap and she's like we're done to like that moment in their apartment like rewriting history like it. Yeah. And then the top of the mountain when she said goodbye to Bridget too.
00:24:06
Speaker
Besides the vows, those are my two like ones that I've like gone back to. Like I said, like, just the entire last like 20% of this book, like the Bali trip, the wedding, like just the whole sequence is like
00:24:19
Speaker
Chef's kiss, gorgeous, beautiful, horrible, amazing. Are we ready to dive deep, even deeper than what we've already talked about? I think we're going to try our best and go through each relationship in this book. There is going to be some overlap, so that's okay if that happens.
00:24:39
Speaker
Um, we've outlined it like a couple, not a couple, a lot of chapters that kind of stick out to us. Um, some of the first being the immediate aftermath of what happens after Bridget dies. Um, we're mostly going to be talking about Magnolia and BJ and these next, uh, several or however long minutes that we want to talk about them. But yeah, the immediate aftermath of losing Bridget and like everybody's at the hospital. This chapter is literally like within the first.
00:25:05
Speaker
couple chapters so you're like immediately thrown in to everything that's going on that was rough to read about for sure yeah i wasn't you know i wasn't expecting to see that in the book like i thought it would all be like i thought there was there was a time jump i wasn't expecting her to go as deep as she was like walking us through it because the way she ended the last book it was like magnolia knew she was dead but then to see her try to like in this book like fight against that feeling yeah and like
00:25:31
Speaker
I was sobbing when she asked to see the body and that stupid ass nurse actually let her see the body and she was like holding and like you know come on girl come on like I was like please get her out of this room bro like please dude that line where she was like talking I think it was in BJ's POV like in chapter two when he was talking about how ballerinas pick a spot on the wall to watch as they turn and Bridget was always Magnolia's spot
00:25:57
Speaker
oh oh my god and it's crazy because like i don't know i've talked with people about this when we talk about these books like i don't know if jessa really is like the mastermind we think she is or it's just like happening like a happy accident that like the slow unfurling of things that are so important from book one to now
00:26:13
Speaker
Like we know that like she loves Bridget and Bridget's kind of a hard ass and Bridget's like the calm one or whatever in book one. But like in book two, you understand the relationship a lot more. And then this book, like all the flashbacks and you like really, really realize how important Bridget is in a level that you don't get in the other two books, but it doesn't feel like inconsistent. Yes. Like you're like, of course, of course, of course, you know, like, Oh my God, it just, it hurts so good.
00:26:43
Speaker
yeah in fact that bj is immediately compartmentalizing because he realizes that like he can't break down like if he breaks down magnolia breaks down yeah and like thinking about that so much too because like he couldn't even fully grieve because if he showed me that he was grieving then she definitely like if she wasn't already spiraling yeah definitely would have been in the dance take care of her like what is immediate and like the biggest
00:27:09
Speaker
test for him like you said you're ready to show up for her you said you're ready to be there for her like I'm here you do it right now like yeah like you have to do it the most high stakes moment of her life and he does and it's like they've already gone through a grief journey together with like losing billy but like this one it was like so different because they got to know this person like this person like saved their relationship like saved vj's life like oh
00:27:38
Speaker
I get like, I'm like sad. It makes me so sad. I just like, it's crazy how she wrote the grief journey too. Cause even from those first couple chapters where Magnolia is in like such massive denial, like I was there with her. I'm like, yeah, no way. Like this can't be true. Like this can't be happening. Oh my God. I mean, in like going back to what you guys said about how BJ couldn't even like fully grieve and
00:28:03
Speaker
uh in the like yeah i think it is the second chapter when we're in bj's perspective and he's just thinking about how uh him and parks probably only found their way back to each other because of bridget and he's probably clean because of bridget and so like
00:28:23
Speaker
Magnolia when they go in and see the body like Magnolia is like crying sobbing and he's trying to hold himself together and so he's also trying to say goodbye at the same time but he's like not fully able to express his emotions like it's just because Bridget was hit but he was really close with her too and it's so
00:28:41
Speaker
Never gave up on them either like she was probably the only person that was always like get your shit together And then you guys will be fine like everyone else is like I think y'all should take a break Yeah, like people tried to move in but I do want to bring something up now So what do you think everyone's gonna react when they find out Julian killed that girl?
00:29:12
Speaker
Because obviously indirectly like Julian it was because of me so yeah, I that's why I like I am itching for Daisy's next book because When Julian and Magnolia reunite in this book You can just see the anguish on his face and like how guilty he feels for everything because he knows yeah, and he said something he says something like like not like don't worry like I took care of everything like
00:29:37
Speaker
So I'm like, how? Who was Julian Merking? Like that's what I could be about to enter his Lana Meyers era. I'm so excited. I just want to know also like a scene. We're like jumping around. I don't care. But like a scene that I can't wait to get in Daisy hates three is Julian still thinking that Magnolia is dead and Bridget is dead.
00:30:01
Speaker
Yeah, or like finding out that Bridget was like, you know, like I can't wait for him to come to that realization like what really happened and then for him to go like Crazy and just murk everyone anger isn't even the right word for like what he'll feel like the seething just oh I don't know how people react I think
00:30:23
Speaker
I think they will put two and two together that like it wasn't exactly his fault. Like I don't think they'll be like, I think if anything, it'll make Magnolia feel even a little bit more guilty for getting involved with him in the first place. But I'm also like, she was really, she was really healed at the end of this book. So I don't think it'll be like from a place of anger. I think it'll be so.
00:30:41
Speaker
Yeah, and I also think throughout this book like Jonah and Christian and Julian and Daisy are handling BJ and Magnolia with kid gloves surrounding like the gang stuff So I wonder if they'll ever like even really really know like I mean even at the end Jonah was like get the fuck out of here like go on vacation together or whatever like go be somewhere else and
00:31:01
Speaker
So I wonder if it's going to ever even be explicitly acknowledged for people outside of the hems in Peru.
Gang Dynamics and Character Effects
00:31:09
Speaker
I feel like it will be because they're slowly losing it. Like Julie or what's his name? Jonah always put up like these little blockades. Immediately they sought that reporter out. He was trying to beat the bricks off the boy in front of EJ. So he's slowly losing it. So like as much as they're gonna, anyways, as much as they hate.
00:31:28
Speaker
try to keep that away from like BJ Magnolia. BJ, first of all, is a persistent little boy. Like he's going to find out what the fuck's going on. So like, I mean, he trying. So I don't feel, I feel like they're going to try to hold it back until something really bad happens. And then, okay, you really have to talk now because like, it's not going to make sense to them.
00:31:46
Speaker
i'm i'm so curious to see in like upcoming books how big of a role bj and magnolia are going to play now that they've had their happy ending and like their relationship isn't going to be like the point of conflict for a lot of these characters anymore like it'll be really interesting to see what role they play like are they just yeah are they just like going to be living their happy little life and like we'll talk about the ending in a little bit but like
00:32:06
Speaker
i guess we won't know that till like daisy hates four though because since daisy hates three it's gonna just be the same timeline as this one so we won't actually know i hope she goes like a little bit further you know i think she yeah it would be silly to end with when there's still so much happening i mean
00:32:21
Speaker
I mean, I don't know, whatever. She always does what she's got to do. Oh, I do want to just pop in and say this real quick. Jessa did say that someone is definitely dying. She did. And so if there's any hypothesis, I say my top two people I'm going to say is going to die is definitely Jonah. Yeah. Either Jonah or Rome. I agree. It's between now. I pray it's Rome. I really do. Rome.
00:32:46
Speaker
Roan Brambia, please go die. I don't want him anywhere. I need him gone so bad.
00:32:55
Speaker
I think she's going to kill Jonah. I am. I mean, I'm like preparing for Jonah to be dying because that would hurt really bad. But like, can you imagine Christian being a fucking only child after that? Okay. They lost their sister. Think about our man, Kimmy. Yeah, I am. I am. See, that's the only thing it's like as much as Jonah doesn't really act like a sibling to Christian. I feel like
00:33:17
Speaker
I never said he did. I never said he did. No, but yeah, it's like, they're still like, they're all they really have, like at the core of it. I know their mom, like what happened with their mom, their dad in a cut, depressed as hell. Like everybody is just going through some shit, bro.
00:33:36
Speaker
Yeah, I like really don't know it'll be so interesting to see if she does that to Christian like how she's gonna write that brief journey cuz like you're gonna write another person with a POV losing their sibling like I that would be Wild honestly, I it would have to be done in a way that is so different than Magnolia because I can't we already saw Christian like in retrospect go through losing and sibling again So it's like would she I don't know
00:34:03
Speaker
Yeah, so so again, I guess I hope it's Rome. I pray it's Rome Or tell her I would take tiller like I although I don't give a fuck what's sad for tarik kill him Yeah, I don't get honestly about Taylor too cuz I do nothing for me like taris I just don't want somebody to die that I know that BJ
00:34:29
Speaker
Magnolia, Christian, whoever is going to have to go through another grief journey for like, I just don't want that to happen. Daisy to be down. No, because that what is wrong with you? I say that. I think if Taylor, I mean, should we talk about the love triangle? Get it out the way. Yeah. Since book one, who is going to end up with the Henry Jonah Tara situation, Tara, whatever. Yeah.
00:34:57
Speaker
Like love her I think she's a great person but like and again this is why Jessa irritates me because she kept saying y'all won't see it coming y'all don't see it coming like oh you want her to be with this person like yeah she's right I didn't see it coming because yeah just she makes them all break up or who breaks up with who first I think Henry leaves her first she was gonna choose Henry and then all the shit happened with Jonah and his mom's like Jonah's not in a good place and then like you learn that they were like kind of going back and forth for a while and
00:35:24
Speaker
They finally put their foots down, and then she loses both of them. And then she gets to a tailor. Even though she told Magnolia that she was for sure, like, she was like, Henry. Yeah. So the choice was made for her. She didn't really get to make the choice. And then, yeah, she gets set up a tailor. She didn't get to say her choice out loud. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. She didn't get to...
00:35:45
Speaker
of like Jonah and Henry like fighting that final fight. Ooh, ooh, I didn't like it all. I don't like that at all because you know, Jen about to kill him if he wants to. That's what I'm saying, like, downtime, boys. Like, it's like made my blood pressure rise. Like, Henry, this is not you. Look at me. It's not you. It really is not, yeah.
00:36:06
Speaker
No because Jonah really like y'all know how y'all love to tell me like Christian would have killed. Yeah exactly. Bro Jonah would have been worse. Because it wouldn't have been with his face it would have been with a gun. The tiller thing felt kind of random but whatever I'm gonna roll it. It was very random. I thought it was random too.
00:36:27
Speaker
Um, when we got to see Henry, like, oh, this is the thing about Jessa is like, Romelie was there for a chapter. And I was like, oh my God, yes, that's his soulmate. Like, thank God. I mean, like, we're not even in his head, either. Their heads are just like from Magnolia and BJ's.
00:36:43
Speaker
vantage point of like watching them reconnect. I was like, Oh, yay. Like, it was so fun. Immediately, you're you're able to be like, Oh my god, I love whoever this character is like, Oh my god, they belong together. Like it was an immediate connection that I felt. I'm just saying those Valentine boys don't love specific. What is just to say she's beautiful in the way that all makes people know you don't understand. I read that line. I really sent it straight to Ken. I was like,
00:37:11
Speaker
What did you say? One more time. I mean, one more time. That's a statement. No, it's definitely. But also, like, I hate to say this, that's something that Magnolia 100 percent would think, like, and that's what pisses me off even more. It's like, what? No, Magnolia pisses me off. But I'm like, oh, Jessa has yet to write a monoracial
00:37:36
Speaker
not white yeah like they're all biracial or and then you have Gus who's black but like he's a Harley and Harley's a deadbeat so that's not fair come on stereotype like I mean he came around at the end but it's like
00:37:56
Speaker
That's a massive part of this book too is like Magnolia's relationship with her parents in like a way deeper way again It's like the same thing that I was talking about like with her relationship with Bridget like we get so much more
00:38:07
Speaker
insight to why Magnolia is the way she is in this book in a way that just feels completely natural for what we already know about her. Like she's not like retconning herself at all with all this new information about like why Magnolia turned out the way she did as an adult. And you just see what losers both of her parents were and continue to be throughout this book. If I was to dock this book a star it would be because of how much conflict she put in with the parents
00:38:33
Speaker
I saw people say that yeah it was very repetitive like I mean at that third maybe fourth argument I remember I texted you I was like so can I skip this chapter cuz like it's the same thing same ending she gonna get into a Harley she gone and then she gonna come around because she still seeks his validation in one weird way and like I'm never gonna dismiss that I've never experienced that and I'm pretty sure that could be true for a lot of people but it was just annoying to see all the time like damn
00:38:57
Speaker
how many times can he keep pissing you off before you like just step back like it's okay you can go no contact i guess in that way she's just like her mom though because it's like her mom could not leave that man alone he's literally treating you like shit and you trapped him with a kid like you couldn't leave like oh my god that i do wish we did spend more time in magnolia and her mom but then again i'm like magnolia's mom was not even like present enough as a mother for magnolia to even like
00:39:25
Speaker
have that same kind of conflict because she was just so, Ari was so absent where Harley was so explosive that I mean, what can you say about Ari except she never showed up for Magnolia? Yeah, that's your daughter. Them putting the pressure of dealing with the body on Magnolia was the worst thing they could ever fucking do. I was so upset when I read that.
00:39:49
Speaker
this goes back to us talking about BJ Magnolia a big conflict for BJ in this book is the fact that he knows that Magnolia's parents are seeing each other again fucking idiots and he catches them in the act and he knows that if he tells Magnolia this it's gonna like blow up so he like keeps it a secret but then that obviously like they should know they do learn eventually that secrets do not work with them like they need to tell each other everything and it leads them to have some like pretty big
00:40:13
Speaker
big fights, but I thought that was such an interesting position for her to put B.J. in, especially knowing that he hates Harley. I think he hates Harley more than anyone else in this world. Thinking about all the times that we got to see B.J. be like, I want to punch him so bad. I want to punch him so bad. Yeah. So for him to keep a secret of Harley and see how that ate him up inside and then towards the end to see him finally get to beat him up. It was satisfying in the moment, but I think, I don't know if it's something in me
00:40:43
Speaker
Not Harley, not Harley to deliver the ass whipping. I do need to see B.J. get his ass beat.
00:40:48
Speaker
I need it. I'm sorry. As much as he redeemed himself, like I adore BJ now. Who would have thought? Who would have thought? But it's just like the way BJ moves so mad. Like BJ acts as if he's like invincible in some instances. And it's like, I just want to see him get slapped. And just eat the slap. Because the fact that he got to touch Julian. I was just going to say he did fight Julian. Not properly. Not properly. I need to get his ass beat.
00:41:18
Speaker
He just needs to fight somebody who's not in a gang who's like not gonna kill him. Yeah, I know. Don't kill him. Don't kill him. Because we'll get to Daisy H3 and Julian's mind. He'll be like, I am holding back. That's one scene where they're all yelling in the living room. Yeah. And it just makes Julian look like a
00:41:34
Speaker
Bitch, sorry. Like, it's like, allow the skinny Instagram model who wears Vans as a predominant shoe choice to hit you and actually get away with that hit in front of your people at that. It's crazy. Like, imagine if that happened in the States, BJ wouldn't have walked out that door. He wouldn't have made it. So it's like, y'all lucky you're in London.
00:42:02
Speaker
I was like Julian shut the fuck up. I was embarrassed, but that's why okay I need the scene that happens right before BJ gets to the house right because we know that Julian was in the room talking to Magnolia and Magnolia has a
00:42:16
Speaker
a pattern of when her and BJ are down bad, she goes runs to someone
Cheating Rumors and Therapy for BJ and Magnolia
00:42:20
Speaker
else. And then she allows them to like, fill her with like delusions, right? So I just want to see what they were talking about before BJ shows up and pleads his case. Because
00:42:30
Speaker
It's probably just gonna make Magnolia look even worse and me feel even like more for Julian. Who knows? I could be totally wrong on that. I feel really bad for BJ though. Like the reason why I sided with him so much is because like I said, I said this in the first podcast, all Magnolia knows how to do besides like something. Okay, one of the things you know how to do is run away. That bitch gonna run physically, spiritually, immensely. And he calls her out. No, he calls her on the first book too.
00:42:57
Speaker
Like, or not the first party. I was checking the long way home. Yeah, it was like after they said, I love you. Literally, he was like, can you not leave again, though? Like, can we talk, though? And then she did it again. And it's like, this boy is literally twisting his life, like secretly eating burgers, because you're checking his blood pressure in his sleep. And you run away at a picture. Like, can he talk, dude? Like, I would just feel like that's so rude, because he has truly like, Vijay essentially not put his life on pause, because Magnolia is his life. But like, he now has to sneak around you to do stuff that he would just be normal.
00:43:27
Speaker
He can't drive anymore and they go walking a lot more. Ooh, my bad. He walked a lot more. Walking everywhere.
00:43:34
Speaker
like has getting strong. And it's like, just for you to run away every time you get a whiff of something like damn. Another big piece of this book was I mean, yes, Magnolia and BJ stayed together throughout this whole book, but a lot of it is BJ not feeling like Magnolia is ever gonna trust him like ever again, like because there's all there's so many moments throughout this book. There's I think there's like three maybe
00:43:58
Speaker
where like a cheating rumor comes out or an altered picture comes out of BJ and Magnolia pretty much instantly believes them or is like torn up about them I don't know if she like 100% believes them maybe but she's like it really hits her and so BJ is always you know trying to just
00:44:18
Speaker
get Magnolia to listen to him and like believe me I didn't do this I didn't do this and she's always just like so quick to believe the worst in him yeah she yeah she exactly she just wants to believe the worst in him but that's kind of like that one fight um that happens after the stuff with julian which we will talk about more in depth but that one fight is finally the catalyst for beauty to be like we need
00:44:40
Speaker
Therapy like he's already in therapy. Yeah, which I think helped so much that made me so happy that even though he was keeping all this shit from Magnolia But he still had someone to like talk to and like help him process a lot of stuff And it being the one that Bridget like recommended like she was Bridget's professor. Yeah. Yeah So it was another person that knew her that he got to talk like that was just
00:45:03
Speaker
And that was when Magnolia started taking her seriously, because Magnolia was so dismissive, and she still was a little after that. She acted a little rude to not. And immediately she found out like Bridget knew that girl, or that girl, the therapist. She was like, oh, okay.
00:45:15
Speaker
Yeah and I love how BJ like put his foot down about it too because he's like I need this. Magnolia says to him what are you saying then and he says that I'm saying that being with you as we are is hurting me and so like he knows that they can't continue this way and so I'm glad that he like was like we are gonna do this even though Magnolia was like super super adamant about not doing it and she was for a long long time like for
00:45:41
Speaker
many sessions she was like super cold to what's her name Claire I don't know a critique that I saw about this book was the fact that BJ Magnolia fought so much about the same thing and I think because I read since we read it in such a like fever dream that
00:46:01
Speaker
like i was like okay whatever like because i feel like she did this in the other two books too where it was like always the same issue repeated but they would take it a little further each time what i liked about it in this one was we actually got to see them like immediately solve it and that's what i really liked like they would get in a fight she would run away and then he would go to her instead of going to the club and fucking some other girl like he wouldn't the other books he was like all right
00:46:23
Speaker
Let me go talk to her about this and I really like that cuz I feel like Since they are in the public eye and since this is not gonna go away I'm pretty sure they're gonna be getting cheating rumors till the day they die Like this is something they're gonna have to like work through and I'm like couples I I really like seeing in books when couples fight and stay together and it's not an immediate like breakup So I'm like they're gonna be fighting the rest of their life. Yeah, I'm like let them argue it out like but I get like it can't when it's a 700 page book and
00:46:49
Speaker
I can get people being like, I'm a little over this. Yeah, it was a lot. For me, it just felt like, and maybe again, like we read it in two days, so maybe it didn't feel like the same, but for me, it was just so representative of like Magnolia just spiraling. Like she hit like a rock bottom before she was able to start like really healing, you know? And so like that, it made sense to me why she was just like in her brain, like on a loop, on a loop, on a loop, like with Bridget, with the cheating,
00:47:16
Speaker
Julie like whatever, you know, like she does think about Julian a lot in this book. I feel like
00:47:21
Speaker
I mean, she even uses him to threaten that little girl that B.J. was with. So I was smiling as much as Magnolia likes to play like imbecile sometimes. She really knew she ate with that because that's a threat that somebody real would make. Thank you. Yeah, that was a great scene of Magnolia protecting B.J. or just like standing up for B.J. against terrible Sadie or whatever her name is. She says,
00:47:47
Speaker
Julian would do anything I ask if I ever see you again I will ask him to do this and I wouldn't lose a second of sleep over and she shouldn't like good for you girl if you ever speak to bj again look at me even utter his name I will know and you will die no that threat no she said like that's so crazy for her to do yeah I'm glad that like that was the first time she even allowed herself to somewhat
00:48:11
Speaker
like believe that that's what Julian is doing because she likes to act and it's like oh yeah keep it a hide and bring this up magnolia walked to the um the house daisy and Julian's house she walked broad daylight no protection face showing la nice hell y'all i know for sure that is gonna ruin something like
00:48:30
Speaker
her walking in that house like she owns it then she found um daisy and room um and then she ran to um went to julian's office to like you know be like can you believe this alien you know just like what she was basically doing when her and julian were together but like yeah circumstances have changed
00:48:45
Speaker
like he was so mean and he cussed her out and I know he used that. I loved it. I needed him to do that. I was like, I was smiling so like, cause she doesn't realize like you could die. Like it's you next. Yeah. Also just the fact that like you don't get to treat me the same way that you, like you don't get the benefits of being my partner when you chose somebody else and like,
00:49:05
Speaker
Yeah, that's yeah, I don't know that that scene. I was like she needed him to like yell at her a little bit. Otherwise she was going to do what she was doing with Christian for years. You know, where it's just like you. You're so not with me. You love me. Do we want to just get into Magnolia and Jillian? Do we want to just just do it? Just let's just talk about chapter 43. Let's just. So I have to set the scene though, because this whole book because like.
Magnolia and Julian's Complex Relationship
00:49:28
Speaker
I knew what I was most anticipating in this book, which was that reunion. Obviously, I was excited to see BJ Magnolia end up together, but that part, because Jessa teased it. I remember she was like, oh, I wrote it. She was like, I pulled over on the 405. You pulled over on the 405? Where? Where? You're going to die. That scene possessed you that much.
00:49:50
Speaker
What's going on know what though with how this scene is I could see it I get it This scene is so Leading up to this like you get little like hints because it's kind of like a where's Waldo like where's Julian and where's Daisy and even in the first chapter Magnolia I don't think she even names them but she's like they disappeared we haven't heard from them and Magnolia is really hurt because she's like yeah
00:50:10
Speaker
I think she's finally in this book accepting that she did love Julian. So she's like, this is something I really cared about. I lost someone that I lost my sister and I have not heard from him. Like I would expect him to like, reach out, do something and then Daisy's gone. So she's like, where are they? So the whole book, she's like, where are they? And then randomly before we get to Julian's reveal, Daisy just shows up.
00:50:28
Speaker
and it's just like oh nothing happened like Daisy's here and Magnolia just starts like asking like kind of sneaky of her being like so like yeah like like where is he like after what's the conversation they have and Magnolia makes a joke of like I will describe in detail what it was like what of your brother blowjob
00:50:44
Speaker
Yeah, and I forget what information she's trying to get and they like go into the bathroom and they have a conversation Yeah, like she was very like she's kind of insane. Julian was on her mind this whole book leading up to their reunion I was like, oh she's thinking about that because I'm just thinking about all like the BJ Magnolia moments But like anytime that she's like by herself, there's like a lot. Yeah, she was thinking of Julian It's like her and Daisy in the bathroom, right and they're like talking about him and yeah Daisy kind of getting like a little snippy. She's like, yeah
00:51:11
Speaker
And so then, I remember I was on my couch, guys. It's like New Year's Day.
00:51:18
Speaker
I'm reading, I'm reading, and then I get to a text message in the book. And what does it say? Like, hey, Ty. I screamed. I screamed. I was like, it was just like, wait, I was like, oh my God. It's like that, that clip of like the people like they're drinking and they're eating. They're like, okay, guys, let's go. Let's go. That was me. To your battle stations. Yeah. No, literally. And then it was so casual because I wasn't expecting it to be that casual. Like I thought if anything, it was going to be like they ran into each other and it was like, whoa,
00:51:48
Speaker
But it was like, hey, you want to meet up? And she fucking jumped at the opportunity. Don't blame her. And she didn't tell BJ. No. And like got like dressed a certain way. Was like very like. She knew. No, no, she did tell BJ. She did. Oh, she told him. Tell BJ, you're right. You're right. And he said, I trust you. Yeah. She smells like she already agreed to seeing Julian. Like she was just telling him she was going. Yeah. Or like, hey, this is going on. She's just like, I'm going to go see him by the way. Yeah.
00:52:17
Speaker
And then they meet up at this restaurant on this rooftop and they talk and I'm like, okay, this is, this is sweet. Like it's going, well, Julian, I said this earlier, you can tell he's very upset about what happened with Bridget, but it's not being like very forward with it with Magnolia. And then what does he say? Like, does he offer her a ride home or he's like, do you want to go for a drive or? He said something. Anyways, they ended up in the back of a car to go there. Oh, wait. Oh my God. Also.
00:52:47
Speaker
At the beginning of this book, Magnolia gets an assistant. Magnolia gets an assistant to help her out. And then when Julian sees Magnolia on the rooftop, he asks her like, hey, where's the name of her assistant? I'm forgetting her name. And then it clicked for all of us like, oh, Julian hired this girl.
00:53:09
Speaker
to like watch oh like that man was in love you guys so concerned about her safety and then yeah they go on this brutal car ride together and magnolia i would equate it to having an existential crisis in the backseat of a car like goes through all of her significant relationships in the series so far so right bj tom and christian and all the metaphors i'm like what the actual fuck yeah
00:53:39
Speaker
Julian Julian is basically like okay like I I have something that I have to ask you and he's like working up to this I'm gonna get sick I'm gonna get sick I'm gonna like start crying actually this is how us Julian girls feel um and he's he's like oh my god like I'm you you could tell that he's like really nervous to talk about this like he's taking forever and then he's like did you love me I'm gonna kill myself right now
00:54:05
Speaker
Um, are those like squeals of joy? Does this make you happy? No! No, it's like, it's like, it's like you're, you're like, ugh! No, not like that, not like that. Okay. Sorry. May come off that way. Maybe that's just me trying to pretend. You're like Claire on Modern Family. Every time she talks about someone dead, she like smiles. She's like, they died! And they're like, are you okay? He said you're the only person I've ever loved. I know, Leah. Which like, growth. Hello, King. Like you can say that shit out loud now.
00:54:35
Speaker
Oh, that's why I need Daisy hates three because I'm like, how do we get here? Because in the in great undoing, it's him being like, I need to keep this to myself. You said that out loud, you asked her. I can't lie. I don't care to read that. I just feel like
00:54:52
Speaker
This was so like, that car ride was the most painful part of the book for me, besides the grief. Because I was like, what are we here for? Like, what are we here? No, but what are we doing? Because we're getting nowhere. Like after this conversation, it's kaputs. Like, that's it. This could be actually the last time you ever speak to her. Like, this is bye. Do you know what I want to know? Like, I want to know, like, when BJ and Magnolia got into that fight where, like, Julian was in the living room or whatever about the picture. Like, I want to know if in Julian's head he was like, oh, here's my chance. Here's my chance. Like, oh, god, ew.
00:55:22
Speaker
In the chapter that Julian and Magnolia are reuniting, I have 65 highlights.
00:55:30
Speaker
I was on like everything that was coming out of there, I was like bar, bar, like Jess was really writing down. She was, she was. It was crazy too because like I remember when we were comparing highlights for that chapter, I was highlighting all the parts where she was like talking about how like she just loves BJ more and like it couldn't ever be anybody but BJ. It would be really, I like really commend you guys for being Jillian girlies, like how do you, how do you say goodbye? I'm glad she admitted that she loves Christian.
00:55:57
Speaker
Yeah, she yeah, finally She said when she's going through the different things she says of course she starts it off with how many loves do you get in a lifetime? She said she's had too many none of them are the same none of them
00:56:10
Speaker
Uh, have felt the same in all of them. I loved incredibly differently. She says BJ, she loves in an unquestionable way. I love BJ. Like he's the son, right? And then she says Christian, I loved, like I truly did. I loved him. I won't say it was a pure love. It was painful and convoluted, but I did love him. And then Tom, Tom always deserved more than I could give him. And then, well, yeah, true. And then she says, but Julian,
00:56:32
Speaker
Sorry, that's not an exciting screen, it just makes me want to kill myself. She says that Julian is like a star. Yeah, I love him, like you love a star. Yeah, because BJ is her son and Julian is a star. And then she says, but you see the thing about stars is that in another galaxy, the star is also a sun. And then she literally tells Julian, if it wasn't him, it would be you. It would have been you.
00:57:04
Speaker
She's been doing this from the beginning. I know that she had to have some closure too and that he needed that closure and they had to have that. But girl, you're with the love of your life. Why are you putting this man through this? That's the second love of her life. No, no. In another universe. In another universe. In another universe. I don't want them together. Should he die now? I don't want them together. I'm not one of those delusional people that's in Jess' comments being like, she chose the wrong person. She didn't. BJ is her person. Read the end of this book.
00:57:20
Speaker
No wonder he was at that girl's house a few chapters later.
00:57:34
Speaker
But like, I think it's just like, I need to go on AO3 and see if there are just some like, non-Nolia, Julian, like, alternate universe fics or anything. Cause I can tell you, it's like the angst, it's the longing, it's the age gap. It's like everything at play for them as characters works in my brain so well. And that's a really hard thing to do. And Nolia could not be a mob life though. She could not be a mob life. Yes, but in my little alternate universe, it would work. Exactly. No, I agree. Well, in the alternate universe, Julian wouldn't be in the mob.
00:58:02
Speaker
So it'll be okay. Yeah. I don't know. He would just be an art thief. None of the mob shit. Just a white collar crime dude. He wouldn't do anything. I just like, I really admire your guys' strength. Like how you continue to like be Julie and Gurley is like, I love that for you. Do you trust her to give you the happy ending he deserves? Or do you think he's going to be in pain forever? I think that she has planted the seed of him. She has planted the seed of him having another love interest.
00:58:31
Speaker
Um, not who I was expecting. Can we get it out of the, yeah. Can we get it out of the family for once? Like why is, why does everything involve these three families? Like for technically, I don't know if it's actually going to be her, but I could see it just cause he was like so like nervous and Magnolia showed up. He said, Oh, you heard about that. Like, I dunno.
00:58:52
Speaker
So I think he'll get a happy ending but also I am like terrified that he will die. Like we were talking about earlier Joanna with that. I could see Julian dying. I was gonna say the only way I will accept Julian dying is if he does it for Daisy. No other way. If it's a sacrifice for his sister, I'll take it. Anything else? You're just being cruel.
00:59:09
Speaker
No, I won't even say that because her having to live with that, she's not going to be able to handle. That's not going to be able to handle. My Daisy has already killed somebody. So we have not seen her deal with that. She has not like picture that this is someone who like went to med school. Like she cares about literally saving lives and she took one. And I know that we haven't delved into that enough.
00:59:29
Speaker
And if this could be the perfect segue to get into Daisy Christian, finally. Yeah. I would love to because what the fuck was that? I was a little bit ahead of Kayla and Kendra when we were reading the first night and I was like in bed. I was like reading, reading, reading. And then when they showed up to that party, Magnolia leans down to kiss Daisy. She pulls up. She's like, that's not Daisy.
00:59:52
Speaker
I literally closed my Kindle, put it aside. I said, fuck no. And I went to bed. I was like, nope, we're done here. And then I remember Kendra got there really early the next morning and she texted me. She's like, oh, Brandy, I'm so sorry. And I was like, yeah, thank you so much.
01:00:07
Speaker
I went on a rampage in the group chat. I was like, I was ready to hold your hand. I was like this. I was so mad because it's like, damn, we can't have shit. Like after everything you've done, like you took, first of all, you took away my second, my favorite secondary character, Richard. Now you've got to break up my couple. And the thing is, Christian don't even know what's going on. Like he's confused. Like, I don't know. He might. I honestly think that he might. Like, I think there's a strong possibility that he does.
01:00:36
Speaker
When I said that I was like I When I said initially my best-case scenario is that he's in on it and Roman Daisy are faking it and they're still together You said there's no way that's possible. No, I never said that I Came around I came around. Okay, I don't think it's gonna happen, but that's my best-case scenario. I
01:01:01
Speaker
I don't think Rome would be in on it. I think Daisy and Christian are probably in on it. But I think for this to work, I don't think Rome is in on it.
01:01:08
Speaker
but I also think that like I don't think that he knows because he's like visibly spiraling like they're looking at like Magnolia like oh like something's off like he doesn't even know the name of the girl he's with right now like he's just I don't know the reason that I don't that I think Christian might be in on it is I just like I don't know it just seemed like he would go instead of having an actual girlfriend that quickly
01:01:32
Speaker
he would go full beach he would go full beach you know like I just don't think I don't know in the relationship like I think if
01:01:42
Speaker
I could just see him shutting down. I don't think that he would spiral outwardly. I think he would spiral inwardly at this point. Because imagine Daisy coming up to him at that point. They're so happy. They're reunited. They're just so in love all over London together. And then she's like, hey, by the way, I cheated on you. I've been cheating on you so much. But I think something is off, too, because they were at dinner together, but they didn't sit together, right? Wasn't that the last time that they all got dinner? It was like Daisy and Christian weren't sitting next to each other.
01:02:09
Speaker
I don't remember. I don't know about that. But, but like, but if he, if he spirals internally, I still don't think that that means that he has another girl on his arm. I think that he means like he like goes into a depression and like sits in his room and doesn't go anywhere. Like, I don't know.
Daisy and Christian's Relationship Speculation
01:02:38
Speaker
I think it's
01:02:43
Speaker
Well, I don't know. That's why he doesn't know her name. I don't think he is either. It didn't necessarily surprise me that Daisy and Christian weren't going to make it through this book fully together. That didn't surprise me. I was shocked if they got together in this book period. I thought it was going to be, they were going to be circling each other the whole time. So the fact that she put them together, I was like, oh, she's kind of sick.
01:03:04
Speaker
She's kind of sick. Yeah, like it just like everything felt too good and too calm. Yeah. What I didn't fucking need to see though is when Magnolia went to go confront Daisy, which like, good on you, girl. Like, you know, your friends, you know that they're being stupid, but
01:03:20
Speaker
like for oh when Rome walked out of the bathroom with a towel around his waist and slung an arm around Daisy's shoulder and kissed her I said fuck off Jessa oh my god I want him to die so bad. Randy I felt kind of bad because I remember when we were waiting for this book like your biggest fear was that since Daisy and Rome were going away together that you were like they're gonna fuck and I was like no like Daisy would never
01:03:45
Speaker
I still don't think they did, but the fact that Jessa played into that, I'm like, yeah. As you told Christian that they did and they had been consistently fucking since then, that was my, I was saying that. Like you said, literally at the end, I was like, they're gonna be together. I feel like what maybe, my very small working theory is that wherever these two people went, Julian and Daisy, that is, they came back, Daisy was like, oh my God, finally, I need to immediately get back with,
01:04:15
Speaker
My man, Christian. And then while they were together for however long that was, I don't recall how much time it was. Not very long. It became very apparent very quickly that they probably couldn't be together for like in danger. It was being threatened or the hems were being threatened. So it became very apparent very quickly that that was the case. And so then they had to like come up with.
01:04:36
Speaker
Yeah. I think my biggest question is like, is it just Daisy doing it and like leaving Christian out of it or is Christian in on it? Because I feel like because she killed that person, obviously now she's a direct target and obviously that guy or whoever the hell like is the big boss or whatever. He sent Magnolia's to Julian. He knows how to get to people. It's her aunt.
01:04:59
Speaker
Yes, it is. Okay, so then I feel like her aunt then got to her and was like, oh, seeing your little boy toy whacking around sister. Yeah, threatened her the same way that she threatened Julian with Magnolia. Yeah, threatened her the same way she had to break up with Christian to save his life. Yeah, that's what I think so too. So if he's in on it, if he's in on it, I don't know. I don't think that. I don't think he's in on it. Also, we were told that Daisy and Julian were hiding out in Dubai.
01:05:24
Speaker
I'm just saying, if I'm trying to hide, I'm not going to Dubai. That's where all the rich people are. Like, why are you in Dubai? So I'm like, were they really in Dubai? Is that just like the coverup? Like, what is the heat? There's no way you're killing somebody with like gunfire. Yeah. But I'm like, if you don't want to be seen though, like if you're trying to like flat, like you would be seen in Dubai if you're of that high status, like in one of those little high, not little, in one of those big ass high rises that they have, like that one's clocking Julian. So I'm like, were they really in Dubai?
01:05:50
Speaker
Yeah, they might have been a cover because like maybe that they were trying to make it seem like they were on some fancy vacation. You know, I don't know. Like, yeah, I don't know. But I'm excited to find out. I'm nervous, but I'm excited to find out whenever that book comes out, which will be never so. Yeah, speaking of never can't wait for never to know we can wait. We can wait almost almost for eternity. Like if I'm dead before that book comes out, I'm OK.
01:06:21
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Let's get into the last like pieces of this book, which are, I think like some of the are the favorite pieces, the Bali trip, and then the wedding itself.
Bali Wedding Chaos and Emotional Farewell
01:06:36
Speaker
The lead up to the Bali trip was so, first of all, there were a lot of funny moments leading up to the Bali trip, like the Magnolia packing moment when she was trying to figure out what to pack and Gus was helping her, and then she threatened, I can't remember what they were arguing about, it was a silly little argument, it wasn't a very serious argument, but she threatened to leave out all of her lingerie or something, that was really funny.
01:06:57
Speaker
and then her getting on the plane and they had to go in economy and like Henry had to like what was the thing they said like it looked like he was leading her like the blind or something like that leading her through economy that was so funny didn't he like sedate her I don't think I don't think he gave her like medicine or something yeah but yeah that was that was super funny but
01:07:20
Speaker
the actual trip when I like started first started like crying on the actual trip was when they go at sunrise to that temple or whatever and they have Bridget's ashes with them and this got the smiley faces the sad face and the smiley face and then like BJ turns it towards the sun I like lost it at that moment that throughout the book was honestly very like hard to
01:07:45
Speaker
for me to read anytime Magnolia would have those moments with Bridget by herself where like Bridget was like still there with her and then you have the addict like imagery of the urn that was really really sick and then you know that like BJ knows that she's like doing this but like is not like really like approaching it with her yeah addressing it
01:08:06
Speaker
yeah and like a thing that i really liked is that you just got to see how much more inner like we know bj magnolia's lives have been like so intertwined but you got to see that even more learning about bj's sister and the relationship that she had with bridget because the whole that's the whole reason why they're on this trip is because bridget wanted to go to miss bali right
01:08:24
Speaker
No, or the mountain that they wanted to go to. Oh, yeah, it was like it was Thailand, right? It was somewhere. The trip that they wanted to do. They they planned it together. Yeah. And so just like getting to like not only honor Bridget, but like honor the relationship that she had with BJ's younger sister and like the sister goes on the trip with them. And it just felt like really cathartic.
01:08:49
Speaker
for everyone, but especially Magnolia, but I like that it wasn't just for Magnolia. I thought that was really nice. Yeah, it was just like you really felt how loved Bridget was throughout this whole book.
01:09:02
Speaker
Oh, and Henry saying that he wanted to date her. He wanted to date her. He just wanted a shot. He was like, I'll forever regret that I didn't have a crack at her or something like that. And again, let's get it out the family, guys. I am just begging. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. But the scene, obviously, I think the biggest one in that entire trip was chapter 79 when Magnolia finally says goodbye. Goodbye.
01:09:29
Speaker
I was boo who saw me that entire yeah. Yeah, dude. I have 36 highlights in that chapter like I didn't even I was listening to it like the narrator. Oh Good, I literally had my phone next to me and just saw me I was the whole time I was reading that I had that song by I think it's like M83 that's from the Fault in our Stars that I Mean let me like you'll hear it
01:09:56
Speaker
And that's how it felt like a relief, but also really, really sad. I had, what's it called? Scott Street by Phoebe Bridges. It's like this. And then it just builds and builds and builds.
01:10:16
Speaker
like her letting her go, I'm like, no, no, no. There's like, there's so many lines in that book that just like, or in that chapter rather, that just like, ripped me up. Like, there's only one thing that was, that was in the absence of a will left largely unaccounted for, and that was her sister. And then she talked about how there's no way to empirically prove that this is true, but much of the data would suggest that Bridget left me to one Baxter James Ballad. Like he didn't leave until, she didn't leave until she knew they were ready.
01:10:44
Speaker
before they even went on this trip which i think like really pushed them forward was the fight between harley and magnolia and harley admitting that like magnolia wasn't wanted and bridget was and he wished that bridget lived like yeah and that magnolia died and the fact that it's only magnolia then i don't know i just think the layering in that whole thing is just really it's so sad but it's so nice because it really is just bj and not bj it's magnolia and bridget to the very end like
01:11:14
Speaker
She said, I'm scared to do this without you. And then Bridget in her head said, you're already doing it without me. Yeah. Yeah. One part that stuck out to me during this book is she says whether or not Bridget herself consciously knew that she had an aneurysm is irrelevant because her body knew. And I don't think the part of her that knew that she would have allowed the rest of her to leave until she knew that I was going to be OK. And I just I just think about that like all the time, how
01:11:41
Speaker
Bridget wouldn't have left if she knew that Magnolia wasn't going to make it. Yeah, I'm starting to get a little bit. I know, I know. I was skipping forward a little bit to the wedding throughout the whole book. They're planning like this big extravagant wedding and it's very quickly spiraling so it's not theirs anymore. It's about the society papers. It's about the photographers. It's about her parents inviting people to the wedding. And there's like little things that are so sweet that are like definitely for
Magnolia and BJ's Bali Wedding
01:12:09
Speaker
them. Like they're going to get married in the
01:12:11
Speaker
hotel where they were they slept together for the first time and like has a lot of fond memories together and things like that like there are little moments where you're like okay like they can hold on to that part at least but while they're on this trip and just like doing all this healing and like all this like really emotional heavy emotional labor they decide BJ's like let's get married right now in Bali
01:12:35
Speaker
Bro, in Bali, mind you, long way home we get the flashback of them having this brutal knockout fight in Bali.
01:12:44
Speaker
Like that, I don't know how they bounce back from that fight. I would have killed myself. Like, Oh my God. That's like my, I would reread that scene all the time. And that was also this. Yeah. Cause it was the scene where we like UCBJ, like he really knows that girl, like that's the love of his life. So then for them to get married in Bali and knowing that like, that's where bridges had, she would get married. If she ever had a wedding, like that was such a full circle moment. Oh,
01:13:06
Speaker
Like, I'm tempted to just read on the podcast that entire wedding chapter with the vows. I won't, obviously, so long. But like, just like every moment in those, like I revisited my highlights to color coat them because I color coat all my highlights in these books. But I like, I still haven't been able to like fully revisit because just like, oh, it just like makes my heart ache. Like they're so in love. And it's like the finally we've been through so much with them. And finally, finally, finally, they're
01:13:36
Speaker
i just like don't know how like a brain a human brain like mine i could never come up with something like what they what they said what jessa wrote like i just i could never yeah i said i was gonna place those vows on place yeah yeah we all love like lily and lo and like they we all thought like oh my god their vows were like
01:14:00
Speaker
the best and then you read this and you're like, oh, oh, that's crazy. Like marching bands of Manhattan by death camp for cutie will be probably my top played song of the year on my Spotify. That album was my life in high school. That album was my life. So when she said that, I literally screamed like that's the song that she was walking down the aisle to. And it's so fucking cinematic from the beginning of that chapter to the end. And then like we talked about afterwards,
01:14:30
Speaker
Bridget's speech like oh there's just yeah many beautiful beautiful moments if I had to pick one singular like really short line from the vows that I think sum it up is the one where BJ says that you are my noble worthy cause like I think about that part
01:14:45
Speaker
all the time and i like oh my god i'm like already i'm tearing up thinking about it he says you turned me into a mess of a man the kind of man who sees stars and like i just like really love seeing bj in like planner mode like seeing them throw together this wedding like so fast but still making it like fit magnolia also like
01:15:12
Speaker
I love me a rich man. They were just throwing money like round like rinsing out the rooms getting flowers flying everyone in like I just really love him being so mature now like seeing this version of DJ I wish we even just got a glimpse in other books so I would know okay this is his potential like this is who he could be
01:15:32
Speaker
I feel like we kind of did a long way home. I think we did too, because Kamie, remember one of our biggest arguments against BJ in that book was like, he shows us what he can be for Magnolia and then chooses not to be in that book. In that book, in that book, in that book. And then he does in this book. He like, he like has done his healing and, you know, the growth himself to be ready for her.
01:15:50
Speaker
in this book, BJ is literally my favorite character, which is crazy to say. But when you see it, like his thought processes, everything, like he is so selfless in this book. And he, like every decision he made was correct. In my opinion, I don't think there's, he did not miss step once. Like, I think that every single thing that he did was valid. And like, he just, he was perfect. And he's essentially perfect.
01:16:15
Speaker
I think he's so, I think like a great word to describe him is like, he's so steadfast in this book, like throughout everything that's going on. Except it really was. But he really was though. Like everything Magnolia was throwing at him with her grief, with her insecurities about their relationship, with her own, like she was struggling with her eating disorder really bad in this book.
Magnolia's Growth and Confronting the Past
01:16:38
Speaker
Like there was just so much going on in her life and he just like scooped her up and took care of her the whole time.
01:16:44
Speaker
Yeah. And it was such a human way, too. Like, it was so realistic, the ways that he was there for her. Yeah. And we did, like, barely even touched on the bathroom scene. But as much as BJ was, like, amazing in that scene, I think that scene really, like, magnolia was shy. Yeah, for sure. And that scene and in threatening Sadie, his rapist, loser, asshole, bitch.
01:17:08
Speaker
That scene came at the perfect time and that book is around like 70% or something like that. Magnolia was starting to move, I feel like she hit rock bottom, you know what I mean? And she was starting to move up and up and up and it showed all the ways that she could be a great partner to him too. Obviously he doesn't just love Magnolia because she's beautiful. There's depth to her and so much that he loves about her and that just shows also because that was the thing that was keeping them apart for so long. And she was like,
01:17:36
Speaker
This is ours now. This is our moment. Like anytime you think about it now, you can think about this. He says to her, it's the best thing in his head during that rewriting, you know, that moment in the tub. He says it's the best thing anyone's done for me. Her doing this, this conscious amendment to the worst thing I've ever done that I did to her and that she's down here with me in here. Yeah. Wait, guys, we didn't even talk about a moment that was like so satisfying.
01:18:04
Speaker
And if I was this character, I would just like, what do you do after this? And pay these little delusional ass, like,
01:18:17
Speaker
Like you love me. Like she was just so fucking delusional and like, she was so delusional. It's crazy. Thinking that BJ like wanted her and like was not suffering. And yeah, him being like, you could literally been anyone. And I was just like, so nice to see. Cause like people love to say, look, well, BJ cheated on her. BJ cheated on her. Okay. Yes. Oh, whatever. But like, but like, it wasn't like malicious on his end. And like, I know that's not a circumstance like 99% of the time.
01:18:44
Speaker
but for him it works. Oh, that sounds icky to say, but like, I don't know. I mean, it makes sense though, like if you factor in his trauma and like everything. Yeah, so I'm like, and I love that he told Pei, like you could have been anyone. Like you just were literally there. Like you were a body. Which makes it sound just so flippant, but it is like the least flippant thing he's ever done. Like it was like a direct response to his trauma.
01:19:08
Speaker
Yeah, I really wish that someone like just knocked her out. Like I don't know. Oh, dude, if you have watched too much bad, like go get her. Like, like go hit your best friends. Do you know what I mean?
01:19:20
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And Jonah officiating the wedding. You guys love that too. That was so good. My man. It could have been anybody.
Post-Wedding Travels and Parenthood
01:19:32
Speaker
No, no, no. As much as Bridget believed in BJ.
01:19:41
Speaker
And Magnolia as a couple, I think Jonah was the only person consistently that believed in BJ. And so I think that was very significant for him to... Believed in BJ, yeah. Yeah, that's the believed in BJ. I'm agreeing with you. To be there and officiate the wedding. And then also you have Henry walking Magnolia down the aisle. That was really nice. Her dad flies in, they make up in a way that I thought fit them really well. I would have personally cut my dad out of my life.
01:20:07
Speaker
But I get it. Also, my dad would never do that. Hello. But I love that Henry walked her down the aisle because like, if Jonah was the only one that believed in BJ, Henry was the only one that really always believed in Magnolia.
01:20:22
Speaker
like those brothers to a fault yeah like believed in their chosen person. Kimmy you have to admit it because Henry thought that Magnolia can never do any wrong and Jonah always does. Oh yeah no I'm just thinking about how like Jonah's like kind of a shit sibling but a good friend like he's a better friend than he is a sibling.
01:20:38
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I feel like I'm kind of the same way. I'm not the best sibling, but I love my friends. I think Henry's got Christian in the way that Jonas got, or BJ's got, or Jonas got BJ though. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like they were each other's people. Yeah. Yeah. That just like, it was so beautiful. And then of course, when we come back from the wedding at the end, we get a little glimpse.
01:21:05
Speaker
They spend months in like traveling. They're gone for a long time. Can you imagine the chaos that was ensuing while they were going to Thailand? Let me see it. Literally. Let me see it. Write that fucking book, Jessa. But when they come home, we find out that Magnolia's having a baby. They're having a baby. Yeah. A baby girl. A baby girl. Because he got something for the Parks girls.
Podcast Reflections on Book Characters
01:21:29
Speaker
He's not. I've never met a Parks girl I didn't love. I didn't love.
01:21:34
Speaker
that was like so like i didn't think jessa was gonna do that because she like she doesn't write books like that right like epilogue she's like i thought it was just gonna be the wedding and it like that would have been great ending with bridget's like speech but getting her like pregnant happy like they bought their house if they wanted like
01:21:52
Speaker
I just, that was good. You ate, you ate so much. You know what, I don't like you so I can't give you a 10, but you ate, like, you know. Does that, okay, so then Daisy Christian Gurley is knowing that she can end a book like this and that she has ended a book like this, does that give you hope? Absolutely not.
01:22:11
Speaker
Oh, I like I the thing that scares me is like the knowledge that like she would alienate so many readers if one she killed Julian and two if Daisy and Christian aren't endgame. But what makes me so nervous about that is like she doesn't give a fuck. She doesn't care.
01:22:29
Speaker
and my thing is she always finds a way at least in this series so far to justify like you can get mad at certain things but there's never there's never been a scene where i'm like oh i would have done this you know like i never think that reading these books like i do with so many other books so i'm like
01:22:44
Speaker
even if she does it like how is she gonna do it like in dm's when we've been talking about this book she's like he's gonna be fine he's gonna be fine i'm like that could mean so many things to you i don't fucking trust he's gonna be fine yeah and i just feel like with her saying that because she was on that podcast she said that the only reason why if she is delaying it at all is because she's scared to put daisy through what she knows she has to
01:23:07
Speaker
You weren't scared to write... What? You were not scared to write Long Way Down. Yeah. Like, you were not scared to write that. And you know what the hell Magnolia went through. So what is so terrifying in this? Yeah, I think... Because my thing is, if she never got trad published, we would have been done. We would have been done all seven years ago. I remember the original publishing schedule. There was a timeline, yeah. Like, we would have been close for then. I would have been coming out this summer.
Quote Roulette Game and Emotional Reflections
01:23:32
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I know, that's crazy. The second Daisy Hays would have come out this summer.
01:23:36
Speaker
So I'm just like, what, I don't know what is going on. I think a lot of it is the fact that she is so openly, she's so open about how much she hates people's opinions, thinking that they're right. Which again, I think we've always been open and honest on this podcast. Like we, she always gets the last laugh. Like she gets us, I'm never going to tell her like, Hey, here's what you should do. A lot of people do, which I'm like,
01:23:57
Speaker
but also just like I just don't understand how she can't just like smile and nod and then go do what she wants like why does it have to be a battle every single time yeah yeah and that's funny we were just talking about this last week on the podcast about like authors telling like people telling authors that is so true shouldn't do but I don't know Jess is just one of those at least with this they would never oh I can tell you everything you shouldn't have done okay so I'm like all right you got me yeah
01:24:21
Speaker
All right, so that's really, we honestly could, there's so many other chapters that we probably didn't. There's just full of stuff, but we're going to try a quick little round now of Quilt Roulette, which I'm so excited for. If you didn't make it all the way to the end of the last Magnolia episode, but you're somehow here,
01:24:43
Speaker
quote roulette is basically when we take our Kindle highlights and we scroll through them, we stop at a random spot. And we just say the quote, we had a really good time doing this last time. Kendra Brandy and I do this often it quote roulette really started with the Magnolia Parks books and but we do it with other books too now. So let's start who wants to begin? I don't know.
01:25:07
Speaker
Okay, Brandy. Wait, we should say how many highlights. I know Kimi did the second half of this book on her audio. Yeah, like 60% of this on audio. So, how many do we all have? I have way less, but I should note that I highlight very, like I will highlight a whole paragraph. Like I highlighted blocks. I don't highlight like individual quotes. Me too. Yeah. So I have 296, which is less than I thought.
01:25:36
Speaker
That kid has like a thousand hundred. Kayla, how many do you have? I have 313. Okay. Oh, that's really close to that. Kimmy, how many do you have? The black highlighters. Um, I only have 44. Okay. But again, we are acknowledging that you only read like a part of this. Yeah. And the beginning half at that. Yeah. And it's so like difficult. I hate, like, I wish audio books, it was easier to clip in like highlight. I have 610, but again, I,
01:26:06
Speaker
since this was the fourth book that I read in the series, I know how like I go back and want to look at stuff. So like I knew to like separate Yeah, a lot of like the dialogue and the the meteor parts because I like to isolate a lot of stuff. So yeah, yeah. Okay, I'll go first. Tell me when Okay. When
01:26:24
Speaker
Okay, this is in chapter 60. This is in Magnolia's POV. She said, I love you. He blinks in our language. I hold his hand to my face with my own and press into myself the only love that I've ever, that I've never really questioned and feel my lungs expand again with the air they've found. Like who writes that? That's crazy.
Deep Character Connections and Emotional Journeys
01:26:44
Speaker
This is like when they're like, like she's, they're at her parents' house and she's just like really struggling. So she's just like relying on B.J. a lot.
01:26:55
Speaker
OK. Oh, my God. Ready? When? Oh, chapter 43. Oh, but it's not like it's not like a super horrible one. It's just says I've never seen him look scared before. It's so unlike him. I quite rather hate it. Yeah, I remember that. You want to go? Mm hmm. Just tell me when. When?
01:27:23
Speaker
Why is this chapter 43? No! I was happy your highlights are in that chapter. But were I to recall with vivid memory how it made me feel seeing Julian do that with that girl when he was supposed to be there with me, it felt a bit like watching someone pick up one of your favorite mugs to drink tea from and breaking it on purpose. So she's recalling when she saw Julian.
01:27:49
Speaker
hooking up with the other girl in the club. We know from Julian's point of view that he was doing that on purpose to drive her away. But from Magnolia's point of view, it was just like him acting like how Beach would always act because I'm going to hook up with a random girl. So yeah. Damn. Damn. All right. Tell me when. When? When.
01:28:14
Speaker
All of us have been like, oh. It's even only trapped with me because I don't have so many, so I'm just going back and forth. And I'm on my iPad, so it's great. She said, this is what it just highlighted. My sister would say every time I did it, if she was still on this planet. Gross. She's still on this planet. When she was on this planet.
01:28:39
Speaker
It's just so nasty when I catch you, Jessa. When I catch you. Oh, for real. All right. Tell me when, uh, when, uh, this is in chapter 81. Uh, and BJ said, we're getting married on a fucking Wednesday, but leave it to parks to redeem Wednesdays for the world. Yeah. I love that. Okay. When.
01:29:09
Speaker
I'm not going to do 43. Oh, I'm all the way back in Chapter 10. I kiss his cheek and tell him I love him more than anything else in the world without telling him out loud. And he traces a heart on my upper thigh with his finger. OK, Taylor Swift. Yeah, seriously. That's where Taylor Swift got the lyric from, actually. Yeah. Yeah. OK. When? OK.
01:29:34
Speaker
uh chapter 82 it's magnolia's point of view i got the wedding or near the wedding i think
01:29:42
Speaker
She go, uh, I think this is her talking, but I will just keep choosing to release you because I can't wait for you to care anymore. Oh, it's when she's talking to Harley. Yeah. Okay. It's Harley. Yeah. Yeah. I will keep choosing to release you because I can't wait for you to care anymore. Harley gives me a long look. I do care. He tells me I gave him a tight smile. We'll see. I was proud of her. We'll see. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Just tell me when, when
01:30:09
Speaker
Okay, this is chapter 10. Being in love is so fucked up. How their pain is your pain. Can't believe we're back here again. Like after fucking everything, I can't believe it. Oh my God. Should we do one more round? Yeah, one more. Yeah. All right. This is my favorite game that we play. It's so much fun. When?
01:30:30
Speaker
Um, this one's highlighted in orange, which means it was a funny one. So this is chapter 27, Magnolia, but this is Henry talking. You're the one to talk. Henry scoffs. Your index and middle finger were unaccounted for for most of your 16th year on this planet champ. Romley smacks him for that. BJ snorts and I pull a face. He was talking to BJ about how he and Magnolia were just always fucking... Oh my god. I love that that was something that...
01:30:57
Speaker
Bridget would always do too, and BJ references that in his speech that he does for Bridget at the end, how they would always fuck in cars, and like, which one of Harley's vehicles? So funny though. Okay. Okay. Uh, when?
01:31:14
Speaker
This is chapter 79 when Brigitte is saying goodbye, or Magnolia is saying goodbye to Brigitte. You should go, she'd tell me, and I'd shake my head. I don't know if I'm ready. She'd nod sure because she knew everything. You're ready. Only barely, I'd tell her. And she'd nod again more than you think. Oh, it's going to make me cry right now. OK. Just tell me when. When? When. Oh my god, that was cute. Oh my god, we all said it.
01:31:44
Speaker
ooh okay this is in chapter 64 and it's when Magnolia is talking to Sadie and Magnolia goes I know what you did and for the briefest of seconds her face falters I keep going if you ever speak to BJ again look at him even utter his name I will know and you will die. I can imagine her face too like oh you should be scared.
01:32:08
Speaker
All right, last one, Miss Kami, when? Okay, this is still just chapter three. Oh my god, okay. It says, quiet, I tell her, though I never want her to be. The touchless, forehead thermometer. At least it's touchless, my sister would say. Little oxometer, what is that, oximeter? I clip onto his finger, ox-metri magnolia, really? And the little notebook I write down his vitals to keep track. The one she was checking on BJ every night to make sure he was alive.
01:32:40
Speaker
The fact that he knew. That was such a good reveal too. How wouldn't he know? I knew he knew. Yeah. But it was just like, I like that we acknowledged that he knew. That was good.
Predictions for Future Book Developments
01:32:50
Speaker
I also, if I can just say with the bodyguard, I clocked that she was the bodyguard a lot earlier than Julia. I was delusional. I told them. I was like, she's because Magnolia talks about how she's oddly always around her. She's always kind of hovering, but anyway.
01:33:08
Speaker
Yeah. Wow. Oh my God, you guys last one for a while. A whole year. Probably. Yeah. At least. Well, this has been so much fun. Thank you so much for coming back, Kimmy. The people wanted it. Thanks for having me. Yeah.
01:33:28
Speaker
this what a journey like Jesus Christ sorry guys no no Christian and BJ debate this time I know people love that no time there was nothing to debate there was nothing to debate this time around no honestly like okay I'm gonna regret saying this be careful Kendra but but listen listen honestly shook that you know cuz in every Magnolia and BJ book so far Christian has a moment where you're like
01:33:52
Speaker
But in this book, he was on his best behavior when it came to them. So I applaud. I really, truly, truly applaud. And so I know in the next Daisy Christian book, you will be on his best behavior, too. Like the family has healed. The family has healed. I mean, I was never looking at him crazy, but either.
01:34:15
Speaker
Because if y'all haven't seen our friend cash has a hilarious ass video on her Instagram at Cass's Kindle I'm Kimmy was in town for readers take Denver. I'm driving all of us back to my like apartment and
01:34:30
Speaker
And I'm just getting whacked in the car by Brandi and Kimmy over Christian. Like every time. And it's like I never have backup with me. It's crazy. Like I always have to fight them alone. Yeah. I feel like there aren't as many
01:34:50
Speaker
BJ girlies who dislike Christian. I know you don't dislike Christian, but I mean like Christian if we were going after Julian you'd have back up by the tens of thousands. Yeah, right there like Mm-hmm. Yeah, so I can go after Julian, but I know when to pick my battles
01:35:09
Speaker
If you guys if you guys had to make any predictions moving I know we kind of talked about it throughout but like any other final predictions or things that you like Think what happened want to see don't want to see any final words. I mean, I don't want to see Julian dying That's what I don't want to see and I don't want to see Christian Daisy not together Yeah, I don't want to see like Roman Daisy like rekindle anything like it's tired
01:35:33
Speaker
unless they're going to be endgame, which I don't want. I am excited for what it seems like she is setting up Jonah to have a little bit of a big role in the next few books. Kimmi is rolling her eyes. I can literally hear it from across state lines.
01:35:50
Speaker
I'm excited for that because obviously he was being super, super suspicious, you know, unraveling a little bit. Yeah, he was for sure unraveling. I think Jonah is who I'm like most excited for, for sure. Like we got so much like
01:36:05
Speaker
I don't even know how to call it but like it was T but it wasn't all the T you know like there's just so much to unpack with him especially like his role in all of it cuz I think it's been pretty obvious that like Christian was never in command of the family's business like it was always running things so I think to see him like on the same level as Julian maybe of like how much he runs things and like what he's all involved with like illegally I think
01:36:29
Speaker
especially now that his mom is like yeah yeah I'm excited I also am curious if if Jonah has that friend too Bianca like damn everyone in this series has a love interest I would like to see how that plays out because I just I want all of them to be happy yeah but I just don't know if that will happen so right yeah yeah
01:36:54
Speaker
Oh my god, guys, we did it! Yay! We did it. We made it this far. Wow, you are amazing. We love you. And don't worry, this will not be the last of Kimi that you see. We will definitely have her back on for something else in the future. We love you to death. Thank you so much. Thank you for being here, Kimi. For spending your Saturday with us. Yes. Yes. Jessica had fun, too. Oh, yes. All right. Bye. Bye, everybody.