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Episode 13: Jackson Sinclair aka Jackabetic
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In this episode, host Jacqui Kidman sits down with Jackson Sinclair, better known as Jackabetic, to talk about his journey with type 1 diabetes—one that extends far beyond just his own diagnosis.
For Jackson, T1D isn’t just personal—it’s a family affair. He shares his own diagnosis story and the unexpected reality of watching other family members go through the same experience. From learning how to manage his own diabetes to supporting his loved ones through their diagnoses, Jackson’s story is one of resilience, connection, and a deep understanding of what it means to live with type 1 in a family setting.
Through humor, advocacy, and an unwavering commitment to raising awareness, Jackson has built a strong presence in the diabetes community. He talks about how sharing his journey online as Jackabetic has helped him process his experiences and connect with others who understand the daily ups and downs of life with T1D.
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Disclaimer and Introduction
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The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.
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Welcome to the Type 1 Club. Whether you're a parent grappling with a new diagnosis, a caregiver seeking guidance, or simply someone wanting to learn more about Type 1 diabetes, this podcast is for you.
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Together, let's dispel myths, break down barriers and build a community of understanding and resilience. Join us as we embark on this journey together, because with knowledge, compassion and support, no one should ever feel alone in managing type 1 diabetes.
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Welcome to the Type 1 Club.
Meet Jackie Kidman and Jackson Sinclair
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Hello everybody and welcome to the Type 1 Club. I am Jackie Kidman. I am a mum of Harvey who is a Type 1 diabetic and he was diagnosed in June 2022. Today I bring to you guest who is Jackson Sinclair or he's also known as Jackabetic.
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Did I say it right? Yeah, that's it. Jack and Magic. A lot of you may already know Jack from the Type 1 Foundation. i think he shared his story and his journey with Type 1 diabetes maybe several times throughout the years.
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But today we thought it would be good to sort of bring him to the podcast and to let him share his story again. And we might extend a little bit as well on some of Jack's experience over the years.
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So Jack, I just wanted to welcome you and thank you so much for your time and for coming on the podcast today. Stoked to be here, Jackie. And yeah, can't wait to share the stories that I have.
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Very good. Well, let's let's just dive straight into it then. um So obviously you're a type 1 diabetic, but when did when did you get diagnosed? And tell us a bit about that story.
Jackson's Family Diabetes Journey
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Sure.
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This diagnosis story is actually a family affair. I got diagnosed when I was 16, when I recognized the symptoms and i was urinating every day. ah i was asking to go to the toilet when I was in school, probably twice a period and teachers were getting very suspicious.
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And I came home and just went up to my mom like, I think I have type one diabetes. And of course they didn't want to believe it. they They thought it was a bit of a, bit of a joke being a, you know, a,
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a 16 year old class clown, everyone thought it was a bit of a joke. However, the pretext to that is my sister was diagnosed six months beforehand.
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And I, we, as a family had been on this educational journey about type one diabetes. And so that is why I recognize my symptoms, uh, very early on.
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And when I did go in to see a doctor, I was only 16. So I wasn't super high, but high enough to get the symptoms and which that early diagnosis led to a close to a two year honeymoon period, which to me, it was a disaster because it was it was harder to control diabetes during the honeymoon period.
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But the family story doesn't end there. My sister got up first and she was she got really sick, was taken to hospital, and we figured it out. And she came home super optimistic because the nurses said, you don't have to change your life.
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And I think she was at that age where she was looking for a bit of an identity. So she really leant into it. And so with her optimism in the household, I had to be the big brother to say, yeah, no, everything is fine. I have type one diabetes.
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We've got this. And we're all at the dinner table. And I think because we're still getting used to our dosages, insulin dosages, we both had to have early ice cream because, you know, blood sugar is coming down a bit too quick.
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And, um my other sister. So i'm um'm I'm the eldest brother of three so younger sisters. And so my younger sister was getting so upset that we were getting early ice cream to treat our hypos.
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We all remember the day she stormed off saying, I wish I had diabetes too. And the very next week she was diagnosed. So then the three of us are having ice cream at the dinner table, um, further down the line. Oh my goodness.
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And like, we'd learned then that it's also a part of our genetics and we're like, okay, type one diabetes kind of to do with genetics. We're sitting at the table. There's been no family history. And we're like looking back from mom and dad. We're like, so which side of the family did it come from?
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And of course, um, my dad pipes up. He's like, well, there's no history of it in my family. You've only got the best genes from me. And of course, then he was diagnosed the following week. And so after that moment, no one has said anything at the dinner table ever since.
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um so Okay. Hang on. Yeah. but Okay. My mind is completely blown here. Okay. So let me just recap. So your sister was diagnosed at what age?
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poor She would have been 10 years Okay, so she's six years younger than you at the time. So your sister's diagnosed. Your parents are just adjusting to dealing with a diabetic in the household.
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Six months later, you're diagnosed.
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Then within a few months, another sister is diagnosed.
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And then a few months later, your dad is diagnosed. That's, yeah, that's that's how it happened. All within a space of 12 months? All in the space of about two years. Okay, right, right. i was um It was about a six-month gap between. Okay, okay.
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Which, you know, is that but you think that was good or bad? Your poor mum. Yeah, poor mum. that Yeah, the story sadly doesn't end there, but for the first part, yeah, we we became, I think we even got into the newspaper because it was like, as the newspaper said, like winning Tats Lotto four times in a row, except what are we winning here?
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So it sounds terrible from the outside, but it became such a normal thing. thing in the household. And I think it actually turned into a supportive family unit rather than an isolated case, which I think is causes most damage in most diabetic diagnosis stories, whereas it almost became a running joke.
Coping Strategies and Community Support
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And the whole high school knew about it. There's no no way to hide it. We ended up having barbecues to other diagnosed people in the community. It just became ah normal thing.
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um that, that, you know, we all before sitting down to dinner, we'd all just pull out insulin. So it became, we became a family unit. And I say the story doesn't end there because when we did get our genetics tested, the other sister, the one that somehow dodged the diagnosis ah story has the genetics makeup that she can be diagnosed.
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So yeah, The reasons why she wasn't diagnosed could would come down to a number of different things, but she can get it. And poor old mum, who's been an absolute weapon of support throughout this whole journey, ironically got diagnosed with type 3C, which is an insulin dependent diabetic, but isn't type 2 and isn't type 1.
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That is caused by a third um exterior causes have caused her to become insulin dependent. That's right. Okay. I've never really heard of that.
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So similar symptoms? She is living the same lifestyle we're living. um She's on a little bit less insulin.
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She's got a desmoid which is ah like ah like a bit of a slow-growing tumor that's resting on her pancreas. It's not growing anymore, but due to that, like i said, secondary cause, or I guess the it being becoming insulin-dependent is a secondary cause from a different situation.
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So slightly different, but she has to manage her blood glucose and insulin. And the irony there is she was super stoked to be a part of the family and have insulin. And now we all compete for the best bloke glucose. I bet you do like a a roll call of like, you know, ah where's everyone sitting at?
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Definitely, definitely. It's almost like a Christmas joke because of all the Christmas food. We haven't changed Christmas at all. It's just who can dose up correct for the best? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. So it's quite interesting because, you know, it's quite often people with type 1 and also families with type 1 kind of also talk a lot about how lonely it is.
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But from what your your story is, it sounds like your sister that was first diagnosed was probably the one that was the loneliest at the time. and she had And she had the opposite of reaction.
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She was so happy to have this character defining moment in life to get all the attention. And then we stole it away because we all got diagnosed. Right. Oh, that's wow. Okay.
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That's an interesting sort of perspective, isn't it? Wow. Yeah. Okay. Maybe we're the weird ones. I'm not sure. Yeah. Well, it's, you know, you all had each other, I guess.
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And if you're all feeling, you know, pretty crap, I guess you'd have to be constantly checking the hypo treatment sort of drawer to make sure that there's enough stock available. and that It's definitely, we definitely have, ah yeah, a couple of covers of diabetic Gid and hypo.
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Oh, yeah, I know. I'm always saying to my oldest son, you know, when we go, like, I'm like, stop eating the snakes. You know, they're for your brother's hypos. He's like, oh, I just, i really like them.
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But I just have to add them to my weekly shop, that's all. um Wow. Anything else to add with that diagnosis story? Yeah, um I do.
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My sister that didn't get diagnosed, the one, you know clean, non-insulin dependent person, um recently was having a second child and became gestational, became a gestational diabetic. And she's like, finally, I feel a part of the family. And she loved it.
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So I guess the opposite thing happened.
Expanding Family Diabetes Experiences
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She was the one that felt isolated, not having the ice creams and the team insulin shoot-ups and... all the all the, I don't know, focus.
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Right. Well, I guess now she kind of understands what the, you you know, the the day-to-day, like she would obviously have a better understanding than most about the day-to-day, but then when she's with gestational diabetes, I guess it's still the day-to-day management of your blood sugars and stuff like that. Definitely. I'd say that's even scarier because it's high stakes.
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Yeah. Like less, maybe not as high stakes, but the fact that you're pregnant with a thousand other complications, it gets really scary. I think when she was diagnosed as a gestational diabetic, it wasn't as heavy because she was so exposed to what diabetes is meant and how to manage it.
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Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, so lot of people like when they first discover like or hear the word sort of type one diabetic, they've got absolutely no idea what that kind of means, you know. So i guess as the kind of dominoes sort of fell in the, I don't know if that's a good terminology, but in your sort of family, like another one down, another the one down, you know, at least you're kind of like, oh, okay, we know it. We know this.
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We know the drill here. Like, I guess there is a little bit of a so it was silver lining. Yeah, it was. It was. And that's why as soon as, like, i was diagnosed, I was like, sweet, I know this game.
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i'm not I'm not too worried about it. But in saying that, so your your sister's 10, you're 16, being diagnosed as a as a teenage boy, I could imagine would have been quite, even though you had some understanding of it, how how was that sort of for your, like, emotionally experience?
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you know, your sort of mental health or, you know, that sort of stuff to adjust to those things? Yeah, yeah. um Being 16, that was ah big year for me because I was also doing surf lifesaving, learning to surf.
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I even did a surf trip up the East Coast in that September. It was difficult because... I felt like call was hypoing a couple of times a day due to the dosages the nurses had put me on.
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And so it was actually towards the end of that year I've decided that sort of like can decide my own dosages to manage my own lifestyle. It was hard because i couldn't go charging out into the waves or do anything too quickly.
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had to take a moment and to manage myself, but did that affect me? Not so much. I think because the school, like everyone was aware of it.
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So everyone was forgiving. It was, it never held me back in, um, anything that I did, as I said about my sister, it just became a part of my character.
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Didn't become my character, but just a feature. So it's something I had to learn to manage. And the thing that probably wore me down the most was the fact that I couldn't be 100% spontaneous anymore because I had to be a bit more planned, a bit more managed.
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And I managed to do that in a number of different ways. most And the number one strategy I still do is I just tuck muesli bars everywhere. I have muesli bars everywhere.
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in every pocket in the car, in my wetsuit. I'm just, it's just always have food on me. So I guess ah just had to learn to manage really quickly on the fly.
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Don't ignore the four. The four early warning signs of type 1 diabetes, excessive thirst, frequent urination, unexplained weight loss, and extreme fatigue.
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If you or someone you know is experiencing these symptoms, don't wait. Get checked by a healthcare professional. Early detection and treatment are key to managing type 1 diabetes effectively.
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And that's interesting with the, like the snacks, like Harvey, He's always been that snacker. And whereas my other son, you know, he could go hours without sort of eating and he's just not as demanding on the snacks as Harvey is. And that's continued, like obviously.
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was always his thing. And so, yeah, it's always that, always making sure we've got snacks around that he can just kind of grab and do all that sort of stuff. He's only just getting into the muesli bars now, which is a handy one, i do have to say.
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yeah. You've got a very, I have to say, you have a very optimistic kind of attitude. Have you always kind of managed to maintain that, do you feel, other than the slowing down and the, you know, has there been moments in your life where you've just been like, you know?
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I think the lack of sleep gets frustrating. I think that's the only time where I'm annoyed with diabetes is when I see my blood sugars dropping or going high when I just want to go to bed.
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And that's probably the most consistent annoyance. If anything, diabetes has been beautiful excuse to keep me on the straight and narrow. As friends would delve into parties and say less favorable lifestyles,
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always had an easy way out of, an easy way to say, no, no, I don't want to do that. And I think it's also because a hypo feels like you're losing control of reality anyway, whereas people use that as an escapism.
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Everything just reminds me of having a hypo. I'm not that keen on it. So if anything, diabetes has kept me probably healthier than most of my mates in the choices that I've had to make in my life.
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And it it hasn't really got me down. And that's... <unk>ve I understand the trauma that diabetes can come from, like can create the isolation. it can also create, but a lot I've made some of my best friends are diabetic. I've been in communities that you can connect with anyone that also has or suffers or knows someone that has diabetes because it's an instant connection.
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in a topic I don't mind talking about. And I've actually got a lot of opportunities through diabetes. I think getting my foot in the door in my first jobs was thanks to having diabetes because I was working for Diabetes Tasmania and then companies in in Melbourne heard about me through that.
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So there are opportunities there if you're willing to embrace your diagnosis. Yeah, that's like, it's beautiful, i have to say, because you know, for my being a parent of the the worry that you hold anyway, regardless of the of having a child having ah type 1 diabetes, I think as a parent you hold this worry for your children anyway.
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But I do think that type 1 adds another layer into it. But I do, you know, to think about and what does the future look like for them. And we've always been very, I've always been very open and Harvey's always very open with like coaches, new coaches and new sporting things that he does of saying to them, I'm type one at times, I might need to stop and, you know, have some Skittles and, you know, all that, something like that. You know, there's little things that I think has given him extra confidence as well.
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And, you know, we we do the injections. We never kind of go off. We just do them there and then and we always, I'm always quite public with answering questions kind of questions that some kids definitely have and, you know, try not to shy away from that just to make it really normal for him, you know, because, yeah, it is something that he'll have for the rest of his life. So, you know, if I can make it normal, then he'll feel normal. That's how I sort of view it as well, which is very, seems like that's exactly what your attitude is.
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Yep. This is my reality. Yeah, it's our reality and it is normal and we just we're just showing everybody else how how normal it is. Yeah. really And one of the weird analogies I go to when it comes to injecting insulin, because everyone's like, oh no, insulin injections, that must be so hard for you. I'm like, yeah, but it's like brushing your teeth.
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You just get into the habit. You don't want to be in the habit. But once you're in the habit and you feel better after you brush your teeth, it's the same with injecting and insulin and and management.
Lifestyle Impact and Marathoning with Diabetes
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It is just ah another layer to who you are. Not determining who you are, but just another layer, which is pretty cool. And something I've done recently, speaking in doing sports, was I ran a marathon for the first time.
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And I've never done any running beforehand. And I found this to be ah very unique challenge with diabetes. But on the day, it worked out so perfectly that ah probably had probably ran better than most people running their first marathon.
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So with technology has made life a lot better as well. All right, so let's go into that. So when you were diagnosed at 16, was there CGMs?
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was there Where were you? Tell us. How did you start the journey? Sure. So my sisters were on injections, that the needle injections. I was pretty stoked to be on the pens, and I've actually never – I'm still on the same sort of pens.
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So still on the pens. Yeah, know CGM weren't a thing up until about 10 years ago. And speaking of fears, one of my greatest fears were I could never like go solo traveling into the wild was one of my favorite films. And yet I'm like, I can't do that as like, as a vagabond, as a vagabond, as much as in that movie.
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However, when ah When I got out of uni, my first thing I did was to motorbike ride across India. So it is possible. And that was before CGMs.
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But like coming back home and then getting CGMs, it has been a game changer because now I can do things I didn't think possible beforehand, which was like running a marathon.
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And I look at my watch because... It's got my blood glucose on it. So I've set up. What's what's your rating right now? It's 13 because I was about, before this interview, I was like about to go for a run.
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So I'm expecting it to come down as soon as I start running. But like the Dexcom, I'm on the Dexcom now. I was on a Freestyle Libre when it first hit Australia about 10 years ago.
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i don't know when it hit, maybe seven years ago. But CGMs have been a huge game changer because it gives you direct insight. And that also leads to understanding around how different foods work, different exercises, different parts of the day.
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So um with all this extra awareness and also having it like on my watch, just letting me know what I am when I'm running, I'm stured i'm i'm feeling more in control than ever.
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oh Amazing. Amazing. Have you ever looked at the pump side of things? I have. I have. I've had a really bad experience because I was a beach lifeguard in a past life few years ago before CGMs.
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And the dive educators and everyone was pushing me onto a pump. So I'm like, sure, got a pump. However, it did not help me in the lifestyle that I was in, which was in my early 20s with a lot of, you know,
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dancing, running, surfing, and then lifeguarding throughout the day, i was off the pump more than on the pump because yeah I just just couldn't really risk it in the surf. So I had such a bad experience. My HBA1C went through the roof and I yeah have gone back to pens, haven't looked back.
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um da Down the line, i'll probably get back on a pump. Omnipods are looking pretty cool, but I've also... have learned to manage my diabetes through portions, not carb calculating, which is detrimental so to the pump.
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Yes. And that's the thing as well is people, I think a pump, yeah, like it's not going to solve, it's not going to solve everything, you know, and sometimes it's going to work and sometimes it's not for your sort of lifestyle. And that's, we're kind of in the same boat actually.
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Just because, yeah, like Harvey's, you know, he was like, I'm not wearing it for this, I'm not wearing it for that. And then i was like, well, actually, then you're not wearing it the majority of the time. You're just basically wearing it to sleep. ah Yeah. it's not It's not designed for boys' roughhousing, that's for sure. Yeah, ah yeah the way of my kids, ah the Dexcom barely lasts us the 10 days. it gets It often gets ripped off or, yeah, but we always have to patch it up and,
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So, Jack, tell us what it is you do now. It sounds like you do some work in the Type 1 area. Is that correct?
Professional and Community Connections
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Yeah. i guess I guess I am. I guess I am. So I do marketing and I've been marketing for years now, worked for a number of different companies. and One of the companies I'm working for right now is not just a patch who does patches and on CGMs.
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So I guess, yeah, one of my clients is through diabetes. So yeah, professionally, not in the diabetic world, although I'm ah think I think um' I love the type 1 diabetic community um and I've been watching it grow for the last few years.
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it is It is pretty spectacular with a few pitfalls. I say those pitfalls are some charities, some notable influences, some awkward opinions, but overall, it's a very supportive community and everyone should connect through diagnosis.
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So ah guess just to just to to wrap up, well we will put in the show notes of where people can contact you because I think that your story is very inspiring and particularly for young boys and, i mean, not not just young boys, but I think, you know, there is, I don't know, I just think that my my young boy would just he would just he just loved to follow that journey of you training for a marathon, to be honest. earth And so you've shared this, have you shared this journey as ah like on online and stuff like that?
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Yes. So I've got the Jacobetic is also an Instagram handle. So it is partly my alias and a bit of tidbit on that.
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It was my original Instagram for years. So like, it ah until until the diabetic community took over i've had to create another instagram for i guess other things in life but i speak about diabetes on jacobetic it's and i'll share share any diabetic journey there and definitely contact me i'm on there a lot i think that yeah it would be really beneficial for the people to be able to connect And that's what I've found through this as a parent, being able to connect with other parents, like online. There's lots that i'm that I chat to and I don't even ah don't even know them, you know, but we all kind of, you know, cheer each other on and celebrate the wins and the losses and encourage each other through this sort of community as well.
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Jack, I just want to say thank you so much for sharing your story. i guess having that sort of family, what did you call it? You called it a ah family A family affair, the family diagnosis. says yeah A family affair of the family diagnosis.
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That you've shown the importance to me is that ah around that community and connection. You were very lucky, I guess, that those that community connection was directly in your household.
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ah But you've also mentioned that you've over the years you've developed really close um connections with sort of other diabetics. And I guess that's the aim.
00:28:42
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for I guess the Type 1 Foundation and also this podcast is to help people to feel less alone on this sort of journey. So I really do appreciate your time and for you sharing your your story.
00:28:55
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Just to wrap up, I'd like to finish off with you've mentioned the muesli bars, but what is your hypo treatment? Go to hypo treatment.com. it's It's quite a simple one. Like I constantly have jelly beans on me um or at least nearby.
00:29:12
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So it really is basic jelly beans and muesli bars, mostly because you can just keep them for months at a time and they're always there to have.
00:29:25
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Harvey gets bored with one thing, so we have to kind of constantly... sort of rotate them. So anyway. Yeah, fair enough. Maybe he's finding, just figuring his favourite hypo snack out.
00:29:39
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It doesn't feel like lollies to me anymore though. Like jelly beans is a medical thing now. Like if I don't, I mean, I don't really eat any other treats these days. I guess I've got a very savoury palate, but I guess that's why jelly beans are there and I'm not tempted by them.
00:29:58
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Is there anything else you want to share before we wrap up? Yeah. I just want to say one thing for all the listeners. If you're diabetic or if you know people that are diabetic, encourage them to go to diabetic camps, meetups, even connecting to people and just commenting to other diabetics online.
00:30:17
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It's a really good support system and you can connect with anyone. And then you find out the tips, the tricks, the hacks, and ah maybe a new management style that you hadn't thought about before. So definitely connect with other diabetics.
00:30:31
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Very good advice. I do agree. This is kind of the sneaky way of me starting this podcast actually is for me to learn a bit more um along the way. love it.
00:30:41
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love it All right, Jack, thank you so much. We will leave all of your details for people to connect with you. But once again, thank you everybody for joining and for listening and we will see you all next time on the Type 1 Club.
00:30:57
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