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Episode 9: Origin Story and Music Pins
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In episode 9 we catch up with the ongoings of Scott and Josh. We talk about the little news going on in the hobby. Josh reveals what it means to be a LoserKid. Scott and Josh talk about their top 3 music pin ideas. Don't forget to go to facebook.com/loserkidpinballpodcast to vote!
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Podcast Returns & Family Priorities
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Thanks for tuning in to the Loser Kid Pinball Podcast.
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You are on episode number nine.
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And with me, my co-captain as usual.
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I'm Scott Larson.
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Hey, Scott.
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How are you doing today?
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Well, I'm doing well.
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It seems like we've taken a little break, but I'm not the one that has the major announcements with life-changing experiences.
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Maybe you should start off.
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Maybe, you know what, you're probably right on that.
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If you didn't check out our Facebook posts or our Pinside posts from last week, the reason we took a week off or skipped a week is my wife had the twins.
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And so everything's going good.
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They're healthy.
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We're just waiting for them to gain a little weight and then we'll get them home.
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So they were born not yesterday because we're recording on Tuesday night, but they were born last Monday, so May 6th.
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And so everything's going great with them.
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Well, good.
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And of course, we feel that life should take precedence over hobbies.
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And so we decided to take a week off and let Josh be with his family.
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But now that the kids are doing fine, we have a little bit of time.
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So we figured we'd update and get going.
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For sure.
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And that was my major stuff.
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So did you have anything cool happen to you in the last couple
Pinball Updates & Black Knight Gameplay
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weeks, Scott?
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Yes.
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I bought pingulps and I put them on all of my machines.
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That is super.
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Well, and then didn't you also, I don't know if you already want to talk about this, if we want to skip it for later, but didn't you get your hands on a Black Knight as well?
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Oh, yeah.
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No, I played a Black Knight.
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Absolutely.
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We could, sure.
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Let's go ahead and jump into it.
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Yeah, let's do it.
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I want to hear about this.
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Yeah.
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So the Black Knight was pretty much what I expected.
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The Black Knight is, it's a...
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It's basically a trilogy.
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It's three different versions of a very similar layout with little modifications.
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I liked it.
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I thought it was really fun.
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it also has the same limitations and the same brutality as a black knight and black knight 2000 so it's almost like you're dealing with playing a uh one or a two-thirds play field because all your shots above that are just either ramps or you know wire form and it's just kind of feeding back to you so even though
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You're playing, it really is almost like playing a mini game.
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But that's really how the original Black Knight was.
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Now I played the Pro, I didn't play the Premium, so I don't know how the upper play field would play into it.
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I think it's a very fun game.
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It felt like a video game mixed with a... Basically it felt like Mortal Kombat, really.
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At least with the animations and the vibe that you're always fighting these different enemies.
Home vs Arcade: Black Knight Suitability
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I think it's really tough.
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I think you do want that vibe to, yeah, I really want to put another quarter in or I want to play with friends.
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It has that feeling to me.
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I'm not sure whether or not it would do better on location or at home because the brutality of it, you're just going to
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Just go ahead and say, hey, maybe I'll take a little more time at home and it doesn't matter if the ball comes screaming down the middle, I can just always play another game.
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Also, I think it may be fun for location because it does provide that quicker turnaround if you're playing with people.
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You really don't want to have a game where, at least I don't, on location if I'm playing with friends.
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where they're playing a ball time for five, 10 minutes.
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You kind of lose interest at that point because it's kind of hard unless you're leaning over their shoulder or watching.
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It's really hard to be interacting with them while they do that.
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And so I think the shorter ball time, you know, kind of like a TNA, it plays into being able to mix it up and to still be active and social.
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I really like it.
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I think it's great.
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I guess the jury's still out on whether or not I would prefer that to be a home location or a bar slash arcade location.
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I think currently I prefer it to be at the, at the arcade.
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So it's not something you'll see in the foreseeable future that you would just bring into the house and want to dig deeper into it.
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I think it would be fun.
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I think it would be, it would be a game that I would certainly not pass up to take into the house.
Short vs Long Games: Preferences & Tournaments
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I, I,
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I guess it just kind of depends on how long it scratches that itch.
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That brutality can be fun.
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It can also be a little too hard.
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However, there are ebbs and flows that people can like that or not like that.
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I have Ironman at home, and as we all know, when it came out, it was kind of considered a simple rule set, and it was short ball times.
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People didn't like it.
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then it kind of had this renaissance after a while where people really liked it.
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I mean, it became a tournament game and people liked, okay, well I can play it in a tournament and there are some nuances of
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ways that you can blow up the score.
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So I think it kept the interest of the high level players.
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And I think that is a trickle down effect to make people want to keep it in their home.
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I like it because I go downstairs and if I only have 10 minutes, I can get a few games in it.
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I don't really have that kind of time if I'm going to play Simpsons Pinball Party.
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So I tend to go to the shorter games because I just want a quick fix.
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So I think it could actually fit into that niche too.
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Um, I, I guess we'll see with time how well it plays out on the tournament scene though.
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Cause I think the tournament scene is going to make or break the game.
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I agree.
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It definitely looks like a game that is geared towards the tournament scene.
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It's not something I look at and think, um,
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that it's long playing like a Lord of the Rings or something like that, something that you have a lot of meat, but then again, it is early code.
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We don't know exactly where Tim balls is going to go with it.
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He might be,
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putting a whole in-depth code in there, but you got to balance the code with the gameplay.
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I mean, if it's brutal, fast gameplay, you don't want super long code because you're never going to be able to reach the end.
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Yeah, and you're always going to walk that balance.
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And I like that they are not just picking a lane and saying, hey, we're only releasing...
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different versions of Iron Maiden or, you know, just we're only doing brutal tournament games.
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I mean, they're mixing up really.
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They went back to back.
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They did Munsters, which is, I would say a very friendly game.
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I'm unless you make Munsters harder, I'm not sure how much of a favorite it's going to be on the tournament scene.
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But right back to back, they go to Black Knight.
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I think they both have great art packages.
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They both are visually tantalizing.
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You want to go and say, hey, what's that?
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And I think that they both certainly have potential.
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I just can't wait to get my hands on a Black Knight sort of rage and try it out for myself.
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I think it looks like a fun game.
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I think the pro plays really well.
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The pro does play really fun.
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And so I'm not sure how the upper play field is going to play into it.
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As I said before, I...
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I'm not much of a, I don't have that emotional connection with the legacy of Black Knight, Black Knight 2000.
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So it may be that it doesn't matter to me, but it may change the game for the better or for the worse, or just for personal preference, just depending on whether or not you want that upper play field.
Rocky Mountain Pinball Showdown Plans
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We had one other thing happen to both of us this last week or two.
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I don't know what you want to call it.
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Within the time that we've done the interview with Eric Meniere and now that we're doing this one, we got invited to the Rocky Mountain Pinball Showdown to kind of talk about
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I don't know what at this point, I know that Holly's reached out to us and we've talked about it.
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I won't be there cause my babies still aren't out of the hospital.
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So, but Scott has agreed to go to Denver to the show next weekend.
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So it's May 25th, 26th and 27th.
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And we're trying to line up getting an interview with Dan, the gentleman over the show to kind of give us a taste of what the show is about, how long it's been around and whatnot.
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But yeah, yeah.
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You know, this is going to be really my first pinball show because I just haven't had the time to either go that there's no real shows that are within driving distance of Utah.
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And so unless you want to fly there and take time off work.
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It's always felt a little bit like an indulgent vacation for me to take some time off for my family.
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However, this is fun.
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And we know Jeff Rivera from Pinball Podcast is going out and he usually does something.
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So we actually reached out to him and said, maybe we could do something jointly.
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I don't think Jessica DiNardo is going to be there either.
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And so with you not being there and Jessica not being there, Jeff and I will probably be able to figure out something to record either live or an interactive session or something along those lines.
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I think it'll be really interesting because Jeff certainly has a more legacy perspective on pinball and I'm more of the newer kid on the block.
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I think it'll be interesting to see what they have at the show, but I'm really excited to check it out and see.
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This isn't one of the bigger shows, but it's certainly our local show.
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And so if you start, you want to start local and see what you have in your area.
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Yeah.
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Well, I think the other thing too is I've listened to Jeff talk about the show a couple times in the past.
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Between this, the Rocky Mountain Pinball Showdown, and InDisc, it's always like going back to family.
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So it'll be kind of cool.
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I wish I could go.
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This is one of the shows I've wanted to go to.
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Nice part is I live about halfway between Salt Lake and Denver.
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I live more towards Salt Lake than Denver, but I've always wanted to go to the show.
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So it's kind of, kind of sucks that I got to stay, but I'm excited to be with my family.
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So, yeah.
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And, and, and, and I like that.
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I like that.
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We have said that our priorities are, and this is a hobby.
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Like I, I appreciate the, the tenacity and the commitment that high level players have.
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And those who are willing to go to pinball competitions every weekend and,
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to get better at pinball.
00:11:01
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I'm just not really in that phase of life right now, so I can't do that.
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But I think it's certainly a nice, fun hobby distraction that keeps me sane from all the things that we do on the day-to-day challenges of life, I guess.
00:11:18
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Well, not only that, but look at Jack Danger.
Jack Danger's Streaming Transition
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It's awesome to see because he's already looking for someone to kind of take over his role of streaming because he's so dedicated to his streaming after his kid shows up.
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And so it's nice to see it's just not us.
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I know that sometimes we kind of look at the hobby and we see just the people up front.
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We don't see the people behind them that make the sacrifices.
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So it's good to see that some of the pinball people are making the sacrifices.
00:11:46
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Should we get into some news and notes?
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Go ahead.
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Awesome.
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I wrote down a couple things since it's kind of funny.
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We took a week off.
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I'd be afraid that we'd be all backed up on news and notes, but it seems like the last two weeks has just kind of been nothing, not necessarily nothing, but it's, I think it's a slow trickle.
00:12:05
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Yeah.
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It's, it's, it's been more of a slow trickle because we had two releases.
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And so,
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and we recorded with Martin and we talked about, uh, um, we talked about Wonka's release and then we talked about, uh, um, black night.
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And so, yeah, we've had a few releases.
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The nice thing about this is now we can talk about some other things that are going on.
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So, yeah, I agree.
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So I sent you the cosmic carnival video, the gameplay video.
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Uh, did you have the opportunity to take a look at that?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I took a look.
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Um, it's,
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I have a hard time envisioning how it's going to feel when you play.
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It certainly has that retro feel.
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It's almost like a... It feels like a late 80s game where they're starting to get into ramps and movement, kind of like a roller games, I guess.
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But it doesn't feel that it has the same...
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I don't want this to sound dismissive, but it doesn't feel like it has the nuance and the complexity that like a 90s Bally Williams Color DMD does.
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Or excuse me, not Color DMD, just a dot matrix game where it feels like it has that early, that right before Adam's Family vibe.
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Now, that's not necessarily bad, though, because you talk to a lot of these long-term players, and a lot of these long-term players tend to gravitate toward those solid-state games, the pre-DMD games.
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And so who knows?
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Maybe it'll fit into that.
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What are your thoughts?
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What did you think when you saw it?
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Well, and the disclaimer to the video too is I think they said they're only running on like 10% of code.
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It's not like really a ton of code.
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And so it's really hard to get a good feel of how the game will be.
00:14:09
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Watching the gentleman that was playing it, I don't know if he was having a hard time playing it.
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it seemed like one of three things.
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Either he was having a hard time or the shots, like the left and the right ramp seemed to reject a lot, especially the left one.
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So I don't know if it's like too steep or third, if like the whippers, the flippers are too weak to get it up those ramps.
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So I know it's just adjustments that they need to make.
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And the cool part about this cosmic car and Suncoast themselves is they're taking a lot of feedback and they are, uh,
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making the game better.
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Because this is an entirely different game from what we saw even at Texas Pinball Festival three months ago.
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And so I think it's interesting to see where they're going with it.
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I'm still not convinced it's for me, but it's one of those games I have to get my hands on, see what happens.
00:15:04
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I know that we've always said the disclaimer is that pinball doesn't have to be everything to everybody as long as they find a niche and they find...
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they find a venue.
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The thing that I found a little interesting on the video though is that it didn't seem like he was doing much explaining what he was doing.
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And I always find the videos more interesting when they say, well, I'm trying to do this, I'm trying to do that.
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And that gives me a little more direction on to what's going on in the game.
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So I still don't know really what to think about the game.
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Um,
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Who knows?
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It's still, I'm curious.
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I guess I'll put it that way.
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I'm curious.
00:15:50
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Well, and the weird part, I don't know if this reminded anyone else like it did me, but this game for some odd reason reminded me of fishtails.
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And because fishtails, you shoot the right when it comes back to the right flipper, you shoot the left when it comes back to the left flipper.
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He was doing that a lot.
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He would shoot the left ramp, would come back to the left flipper, would shoot the right ramp.
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And so there was a lot of that just because of that symmetrical layout and whatnot.
00:16:13
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Let's see where it goes.
00:16:15
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Well, I think it seems like by switching it up and actually not having the same plastic ramp that's symmetrical, I think that's fine.
00:16:27
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I like that they tried to mix it up and put the wire form in, but is it really changing much?
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Because it seemed like the feed was still similar.
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You may have the speed of being a little different, being that it's a wire form and
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not just a plastic wrap.
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But I don't know if that's really going to affect anything other than cosmetics.
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Only time will tell.
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But it does look very pretty though.
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There's no argument there on that.
00:16:59
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Have you been watching the Facebook?
Optimizing Black Knight Gameplay
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Speaking of our Black Knight sort of rage discussion from a little bit earlier.
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The Facebook.
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You'll have to be a little more specific about that.
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So Steve Ritchie came out and was like, you cheaters, stop making the game steeper than 7%.
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He said pretty much 6.5% to 7%.
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If you have it any steeper than that, you're cheating because it takes away from the side-to-side action.
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It actually makes the game easier.
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And so he came out with a bunch of different stuff that you can adjust or fix.
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I find this really cool because from it, it, it, it closes that gap between manufacturer and customer.
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And so I thought it was really cool for Steve Ritchie to personally be coming out and say, Hey, do this, this, and this, because we all know pinball out of the box is not perfect.
00:17:49
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I don't know many people have set one up, put all four legs on and went straight to work.
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and there was no issues whatsoever.
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And so Steve Ritchie's really trying to address those issues out of the box.
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He's focusing on fixing it instead of why everyone else is complaining.
00:18:07
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I think it's certainly a step in the right direction.
00:18:09
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If you get more feedback from manufacturers, then you certainly see what they intended.
00:18:16
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Now, just because they intended it that way doesn't necessarily mean that that's what the end user's going to do.
00:18:27
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However, I think a lot of the tournament players are going to want that increased difficulty.
00:18:34
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A lot of times the reason why they jack up the legs is because they don't want the floaty ball.
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They basically want it to be challenging.
00:18:46
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If he's saying, well, it's going to do exactly the opposite if you jack it up.
00:18:52
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It's going to make it easier.
00:18:54
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I think that that will be more challenging and be different because in some ways it's kind of like throwing a change up in baseball when you're only used to hitting fastballs.
00:19:05
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That can really mess with you if the ball is going a lot slower than you anticipate.
00:19:12
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I think it also works better with the vibe that he's going for in that he's channeling an 80s game.
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This is an 80s game with modern mechs.
00:19:25
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So I think this is actually the game he would have made for Black Knight 2000 if he had the technology back then.
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But because he didn't, then this is his answer.
00:19:39
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I think that, yeah, as long as the flippers are strong and having that movement, it does make the game a little more challenging.
00:19:52
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That may affect how tournament-friendly it is, but we'll see.
00:19:58
Speaker
Have you been listening to Franchi's segment there on Slap Save Pinball?
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You know what?
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I have been, uh, I was on vacation last week while you had your baby and babies.
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And, uh, so I really, uh, I was with my family, so I didn't have a chance to catch up on much pinball at all.
00:20:15
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Um, so, and of course, once I got home, I immediately went back to work and had two late days.
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So I really haven't been able to, to hear, uh, much of what's a franchise been up to, uh, what's he been stirring up lately.
00:20:30
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So I think I've learned something about Franchi and, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the gentleman is a giant teddy bear, maybe from the movie Ted, but he's, you have to get to know him and know his humor.
00:20:46
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I think that's the thing is, is Franchi comes off as he'll shoot you straight.
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And so, um,
00:20:53
Speaker
It was kind of cool to hear from his perspective with the insider, you know, working behind the scenes and say, no, I want to correct what's been put out there and say, this is what actually happened.
00:21:05
Speaker
And so it's kind of cool to hear him doing that, but it makes me curious.
00:21:09
Speaker
I know me, you and Martin from head to head, we're talking about this the other day, but.
00:21:15
Speaker
What does Stern approve of the releases?
00:21:18
Speaker
I mean, because he just, they, Franchi and Slap Save released the Superman 78 pinball art.
00:21:26
Speaker
And I know that Franchi released the Beetlejuice art.
Stern's Game Theme Approvals
00:21:29
Speaker
And so I'm kind of curious to the perspective from George Gomez and Stern.
00:21:33
Speaker
I know George said, you know, pretty much if it's not a passion project, we're not going to take it on.
00:21:39
Speaker
And so, yeah, there is that, but I don't think we've ever seen in this capacity, people releasing projects that have been passed up by Stern.
00:21:49
Speaker
And so it's, it's cool to take a peek behind the curtain.
00:21:52
Speaker
I just hope there's no expense to anyone because of it.
00:21:56
Speaker
So, but yeah, what did, what did you think of the Superman arc?
00:21:59
Speaker
Cause I know you've seen that.
00:22:01
Speaker
Yeah.
00:22:02
Speaker
Well, first off, I'll go back a little bit.
00:22:06
Speaker
When I see a, an actor who gets photographed on TMZ because in the caption on the bottom says, so-and-so was caught at the beach with his shirt off and walking around.
00:22:20
Speaker
Okay.
00:22:21
Speaker
How that happens is the publicist calls TMZ and says, Hey, by the way, the star is going to be at the beach at this time.
00:22:28
Speaker
And this is where you go.
00:22:30
Speaker
So they get the pictures.
00:22:31
Speaker
Okay.
00:22:32
Speaker
So is it possible that this is Franchi just not caring and just doing his own thing?
00:22:39
Speaker
Sure.
00:22:40
Speaker
It also could be possible that there is some PR driven element of Stern that's actually driving this.
00:22:52
Speaker
I think that they have been better at controlling the message in the last couple of years than they have before that.
00:23:01
Speaker
So when I hear stories and I hear leaks or I hear stuff like that, I think they're trying to help stay in the public domain, in the moment and being able to capture that attention.
00:23:19
Speaker
Because by driving the story and by driving the media, then people are going to start talking about you more than other things.
00:23:28
Speaker
So naturally it's kind of drawing the interest.
00:23:31
Speaker
So when I, when I see things that are either leaked, whether or not it's by, by Stern's permission or against Stern's permission, I do kind of question whether or not is this really a leak or is this just a kind of a planned leak?
00:23:49
Speaker
So that being said, we saw the Superman art.
00:23:55
Speaker
Franchi released it and it,
00:23:57
Speaker
apparently this is a project that is not going to get done just like the um the beetlejuice project in some ways i think it it does work for stern because there are um there are more suspicions over games that are going to be released than there are confirmed releases and yeah
00:24:21
Speaker
In some ways, I think it frees up the market if people say, well, my dream theme is X and I'm going to hold out and not buy anything until that gets made.
00:24:32
Speaker
In some ways, I think they actually do a good job of shooting down some of those.
00:24:38
Speaker
However, with Superman, I thought that the art, again, looks amazing.
00:24:46
Speaker
It looks great if they were to make a Superman game
00:24:50
Speaker
then I think that that would catch my eye.
00:24:55
Speaker
That art would certainly catch my eye.
00:24:58
Speaker
However, just because it's a nostalgia theme doesn't mean it's marketable.
00:25:03
Speaker
So I think that what George Gomez is saying on, yeah, if there's no passion behind it, then people aren't going to pick it up.
00:25:12
Speaker
I also think they've done some market research to find out what will sell.
00:25:17
Speaker
And if
00:25:19
Speaker
They obviously did enough market research to find out that Batman 66 was going to sell.
00:25:23
Speaker
So they did that.
00:25:24
Speaker
The Superman 78, I'm not sure that that really had enough legs.
00:25:32
Speaker
And so they probably looked at it from a marketing standpoint, a business standpoint, and say, this is not going to be commercially viable.
00:25:40
Speaker
And so they moved on.
Lyman Sheets' Impact on Pinball Code
00:25:42
Speaker
Well, and I also think, like you said, Stern's done a lot of marketing.
00:25:46
Speaker
Me personally, two years ago, three years ago, when they announced Batman 66, you couldn't convince me that there was enough demand out there for it.
00:25:55
Speaker
But here we are now, and it's touted as one of the best games that's been made in recent years.
00:26:00
Speaker
We've got Jack Danger saying it's his favorite game.
00:26:03
Speaker
And you've got just different perspectives on Batman 66.
00:26:07
Speaker
A lot of people don't like the way the layout is a little bit.
00:26:10
Speaker
But other than that, people are loving Batman 66.
00:26:14
Speaker
And so it's weird to me.
00:26:18
Speaker
I stopped claiming, hey, this would make a good theme or this would not because...
00:26:23
Speaker
some of the themes that have been made, I would assume wouldn't be great at all.
00:26:27
Speaker
Like I never thought an iron, an iron maiden pinball machine would be a good concept, but Hey, here we are.
00:26:33
Speaker
It's, it's the best one in the last 20 years.
00:26:36
Speaker
So,
00:26:38
Speaker
Or at least I guess I can't claim the last 20 years.
00:26:40
Speaker
We'll just say it one game of the year last year.
00:26:41
Speaker
Let's do that.
00:26:43
Speaker
But you see what I'm saying?
00:26:44
Speaker
Like, I just, I guess I don't have my finger on the pulse like Stern does.
00:26:47
Speaker
And so my faith is in them.
00:26:49
Speaker
If, if they've, if they're passing on it because they don't feel like it's a viable option, then, then so be it.
00:26:55
Speaker
Love the artwork.
00:26:56
Speaker
Dude, Franchi kills it every time.
00:26:58
Speaker
I just, I don't.
00:27:00
Speaker
I have no complaints.
00:27:01
Speaker
I just, I'm not an artist, so I'm astounded every time I see it.
00:27:06
Speaker
So yeah, he really does have an amazing grasp onto what works.
00:27:13
Speaker
And it just, it always looks amazing.
00:27:15
Speaker
It looks like it was a photo shoot from what, what the actors were posing to do.
00:27:23
Speaker
I mean, it looks like Christopher Reeves and there's a lot of times and, and I appreciate that he,
00:27:30
Speaker
at least put on there that he had different poses and it was different aspects of him, which I loved.
00:27:37
Speaker
And, uh, I know that that's driven by the licensor, uh, for the most part, which is why
00:27:45
Speaker
He was probably, again, this is me speculating, this is why he was probably locked into putting Chris Pratt in the same pose five times on Guardians of the Galaxy.
00:27:57
Speaker
But I think that's the pose that Disney wanted or that whoever was in control of Guardians of the Galaxy, that's what they wanted.
00:28:10
Speaker
When you talk about a game...
00:28:13
Speaker
Yes, theme plays into it, but how much of this do you think was driven by Lyman Sheets?
00:28:22
Speaker
I mean, seriously, that game had no legs.
00:28:26
Speaker
When it first came out, it came out and there was nothing.
00:28:31
Speaker
But just glance over what Lyman's done.
00:28:34
Speaker
So Lyman's done ACDC.
00:28:36
Speaker
legendary game.
00:28:37
Speaker
He's an attack from Mars.
00:28:39
Speaker
Legendary game.
00:28:40
Speaker
Okay.
00:28:40
Speaker
He did Batman in the, in the doldrums.
00:28:44
Speaker
You know, the original Batman and the dark night, not the original original, but the dark night.
00:28:50
Speaker
So that was in the eight in 08 07.
00:28:52
Speaker
Okay, fine.
00:28:53
Speaker
Then he had Batman 66.
00:28:55
Speaker
Okay.
00:28:55
Speaker
Great one.
00:28:57
Speaker
Big buck Hunter CSI.
00:28:59
Speaker
So these are all, if anytime I read something off, it's, that is a,
00:29:04
Speaker
And miss, I would say, it's probably during the dark days of Stern.
00:29:09
Speaker
Well, you're missing a couple of them in there that were very vital.
00:29:11
Speaker
I mean, think of Metallica and also The Walking Dead.
00:29:14
Speaker
Okay, but yes.
00:29:16
Speaker
Tron, 2010 past.
00:29:19
Speaker
Guns N' Roses in the glory days.
00:29:21
Speaker
Indiana Jones Stern, clunker in that doldrums era.
00:29:25
Speaker
Iron Man, 2010 on.
00:29:28
Speaker
Avatar.
00:29:29
Speaker
Okay.
00:29:30
Speaker
I know Martin loves it, but Medieval Madness, Back in the Glory Days, Metallica, 2010 on.
00:29:37
Speaker
Monster Bash, Glory Days, Spider-Man.
00:29:40
Speaker
Okay, that may be the one standout in 2007.
00:29:44
Speaker
Rolling Stone, Soprano.
00:29:45
Speaker
So yes, I think it just depends on what Lyman is able to do, but he's done such an amazing job that he knows how to make a game that high-level players want to play.
00:29:58
Speaker
So my question to you is then if you took Batman 66 and stripped away all the code and did just basic code, not, not basic, but let's say we had a different designer do that game.
00:30:12
Speaker
Do you think Batman 66 would have got as far as it has now without Lyman?
00:30:17
Speaker
Absolutely not.
00:30:19
Speaker
There's no chance.
00:30:21
Speaker
And that, that would have been dead in the water.
00:30:23
Speaker
They would have, they would have dropped it and moved on.
00:30:25
Speaker
They, uh, they,
00:30:27
Speaker
basically said we're all in on this this is going to be um they were able to lock up their their best designer or their best code writer and lock him up until he was able to work on this crazy code forever and this this
00:30:47
Speaker
crazy expensive game and really it's crazy expensive for anything and they were able to make something they were able to make a diamond out of coal sadly I still am disappointed that there is no location version of this game I've played one this game once it's at a collector's house that has tons of high end stuff but
00:31:17
Speaker
He hosts something once a year.
00:31:18
Speaker
He's not a regular.
00:31:19
Speaker
He's a nice guy, but he's just not a regular, and so I don't get much time on the game.
00:31:24
Speaker
I wish if Stern had something that good that was well-respected like that, that they would have been able to find a way to give it to the masses.
00:31:33
Speaker
Well, and you bring up Blake's collection, because I really think that's the only Batman 66 that I know of in the state of Utah.
00:31:41
Speaker
That game, it was fun to play.
00:31:43
Speaker
Don't get me wrong.
00:31:43
Speaker
It was fun to play, but even the one that I was playing was having issues with it.
00:31:48
Speaker
Something to do with the magnet inside the spinning or the turntable.
00:31:53
Speaker
I know it's not a spinning disc, but...
00:31:55
Speaker
Yeah, I just, I want more time on this game.
00:31:58
Speaker
There's so much good buzz around it that I want more time on
Stern's Game Versions & Market Impact
00:32:02
Speaker
it.
00:32:02
Speaker
Yeah, there's so many great players that love this game.
00:32:07
Speaker
And so there is something there.
00:32:09
Speaker
There's a reason why.
00:32:11
Speaker
It's the same thing with Walking Dead.
00:32:12
Speaker
Walking Dead was left for dead.
00:32:14
Speaker
Unintended, right?
00:32:17
Speaker
But after Lyman was able to work his magic because people always said, oh, well, it doesn't matter what the code says.
00:32:23
Speaker
You can't fix geometry.
00:32:25
Speaker
Well, apparently you can fix something with the code because people suddenly started liking a game that they didn't like before.
00:32:33
Speaker
Well, moving on.
00:32:34
Speaker
Well, in the same realm of this, you saw the Catwoman version of Batman 66, right?
00:32:40
Speaker
And also the color premium of Munsters.
00:32:43
Speaker
And they're both premiums.
00:32:44
Speaker
I know someone was kind of throwing a fizz as a premium.
00:32:47
Speaker
Is this a limited edition?
00:32:48
Speaker
They're both premiums.
00:32:49
Speaker
It's had right in the picture, right next to the LCD screen.
00:32:53
Speaker
They're both premiums.
00:32:54
Speaker
Do you think that there's enough warranted for a Catwoman version of Batman 66?
00:32:59
Speaker
Because honestly, in my opinion, I don't know if Munsters is doing as great as Stern had hoped.
00:33:04
Speaker
And so they're throwing another curveball with this color premium.
00:33:08
Speaker
Sorry, I'm mixing two together at once.
00:33:10
Speaker
So first off, Catwoman, what's your thoughts?
00:33:13
Speaker
Okay.
00:33:14
Speaker
I'll take Batman first for 100 Alex.
00:33:16
Speaker
Okay.
00:33:18
Speaker
I think that now that the code is 1.0 and high level players have played it and said they really liked the code, I think it will change the buzz around the game.
00:33:32
Speaker
We all know that it's
00:33:34
Speaker
really was one of the worst releases that it just felt like a lead balloon because it looked so pretty, but it was just not ready for prime time when it was released.
00:33:46
Speaker
I'm,
00:33:48
Speaker
I understand as a business that you need to really look at the whole picture and Stern knew it wasn't ready, but obviously Adam West was not, not in good health.
00:33:58
Speaker
And so they pushed it to get that out while he was still alive.
00:34:02
Speaker
And I, I have to, um, I have to give them a pass or at least an understanding for that.
00:34:09
Speaker
um now that the game is done and there's going to be more demand for it i think it makes sense for them to say hey there's going to be more demand for this game you guys all said this is a great game do you want to buy a different version do you want to buy the lucy version you want you know do you want to buy uh the the special premium version i i i'm fine with that i think it's perfect it's the perfect way of saying yes there's a
00:34:35
Speaker
a different version that's available.
00:34:40
Speaker
I wish that they had this available when it was launched because I think it would have changed the initial reception of the game.
00:34:48
Speaker
However, they've been able to do a good job of resurrecting a game that I thought was going to be left for dead.
00:34:55
Speaker
I agree.
00:34:57
Speaker
With the monsters, what are your thoughts on the colorized premium version?
00:35:03
Speaker
I think honestly this is a game right now.
00:35:07
Speaker
It has fantastic flow.
00:35:09
Speaker
It's an enjoyable game to shoot.
00:35:13
Speaker
I just I don't think changing the premium or giving a color option to the premium is the saving grace that it needs.
00:35:21
Speaker
Um, I think, uh, the code just needs to be worked a little bit.
00:35:25
Speaker
I, I, I think that's where the focus should be.
00:35:27
Speaker
And it feels a little too soon.
00:35:29
Speaker
Munsters was just released in January.
00:35:32
Speaker
Why are we releasing a colored version in where we're in May now, five months later?
00:35:37
Speaker
That's, that's the other goofy part too.
00:35:38
Speaker
I guess this has not been confirmed nor denied from Stern yet, but, um, and I might be wrong.
00:35:44
Speaker
Maybe there, there has been, but, um,
00:35:47
Speaker
I find it really weird that we're doing... It's about that time of the season where they released the... Not the remake.
00:35:54
Speaker
The Vault.
00:35:55
Speaker
The Vault.
00:35:56
Speaker
And they're releasing pretty much Batman 66, a game that was released a couple years ago, and Monsters that was released in January.
00:36:04
Speaker
And there might still be a Vault coming.
00:36:06
Speaker
Personally, me, color doesn't do a difference for the premium for me.
00:36:11
Speaker
It's not a game I'm looking to buy, so it's just...
00:36:14
Speaker
Awesome.
00:36:14
Speaker
They came out with the color version.
00:36:16
Speaker
I don't know what else to put to it.
00:36:17
Speaker
You know what I'm saying?
00:36:18
Speaker
Yeah.
00:36:18
Speaker
See, I think you're wrong.
Munsters Game Appeal & Market Strategy
00:36:20
Speaker
I actually think you're dead wrong on this.
00:36:22
Speaker
I think that the black and white version looks spectacular, but it was kind of a hipster choice.
00:36:31
Speaker
When people looked at that, they're like, oh, that's the cool different black and white version.
00:36:36
Speaker
Because if you look at there's a black and white Twilight Zone thread on Pinside.
00:36:42
Speaker
where people look at that and say, wow, that's kind of cool.
00:36:46
Speaker
People are still gonna want the color version.
00:36:48
Speaker
They're gonna want the version that has all that has the color splash.
00:36:53
Speaker
And you look at the LE and looked at the premium and you said, wow, the LE, that color looks fantastic.
00:37:01
Speaker
So I think that their premium sales were probably lagging a little bit.
00:37:06
Speaker
And so this was a quick way of,
00:37:10
Speaker
of doing a reversal to sell more, or this could have been, Hey, a marketing ploy and saying, we have this planned all along and we just wanted to get the black and white premiums out there.
00:37:24
Speaker
And then after the hipsters bought those up who wanted that,
00:37:30
Speaker
special version, we're going to lease the colored premium.
00:37:33
Speaker
It could be that just like the Lucy edition on the original ACDC, the black and white version may be the rare version and may actually hold its value more than the color added version.
00:37:44
Speaker
But they're trying to sell games and people said, hey, the black and white version is cool.
00:37:51
Speaker
I still want a colored version option.
00:37:53
Speaker
And they said, oh, how much are you willing to pay me?
00:37:56
Speaker
Oh, a premium?
00:37:57
Speaker
Oh, okay, great.
00:37:57
Speaker
We'll make that.
00:37:58
Speaker
We'll see where the demands are.
00:38:00
Speaker
I don't doubt that they'll sell these, but I just, I find it weird.
00:38:04
Speaker
I think it's a great home game.
00:38:05
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:07
Speaker
It's a good game that people who are casual about pinball, who just want something fun in their basement and they're in that 50 to 60 year old market where they say, Hey, I'm having a game room.
00:38:22
Speaker
Oh, that I remember that theme.
00:38:23
Speaker
That's something I connect with.
00:38:25
Speaker
I can put that up.
00:38:27
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:27
Speaker
Great.
00:38:28
Speaker
And I think that that will really draw people in and say, yeah, this is, Hey, this is fun.
00:38:32
Speaker
So when they,
00:38:33
Speaker
have all their, uh, their old timers over, then they'll say, Hey, that's cool.
00:38:37
Speaker
I played pinball when I was a kid.
00:38:39
Speaker
So it's smart marketing.
00:38:41
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:43
Speaker
I don't, I don't disagree with you there on the smart marketing, but I'm just intrigued to see where it goes.
00:38:48
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:49
Speaker
And I always I like more options.
00:38:51
Speaker
So I like that we're in this manufacturing window where they can change things on the fly.
00:38:57
Speaker
They can customize things.
00:38:59
Speaker
They can respond to market demand.
00:39:02
Speaker
And I think it really will change the variety out there.
00:39:06
Speaker
I think it's great.
00:39:08
Speaker
So last week I was listening to This Week in Pinball.
00:39:11
Speaker
Ken Cromwell was the co-host with Zach Manning.
00:39:15
Speaker
And they made a giant announcement that Zach wants the most current games streamed.
00:39:24
Speaker
They want a good feeling of what the game feels like.
00:39:28
Speaker
And pretty much they'll stream it every week until the next game comes out.
00:39:33
Speaker
And so Zach was trying to find someone to stream this.
00:39:37
Speaker
And I guess Bill and can decide to step up, which is perfect for them because they live in Chicago.
00:39:42
Speaker
So Zach told him to go pick up an Oktoberfest and they, they streamed it tonight.
00:39:47
Speaker
Did you watch this at all?
00:39:49
Speaker
you know, I was so busy right until recording.
00:39:51
Speaker
So no, it was pretty cool.
00:39:53
Speaker
So they had Josh Coogler and, uh, Joe there talking about, uh, October fest.
00:40:00
Speaker
And it was like a behind the scenes while also getting to play the game.
00:40:04
Speaker
Plus it seemed like all the pinball podcasts were there.
00:40:08
Speaker
Dennis Creasel and Tony from eclectic gamers, uh, pinball nerds were there.
00:40:15
Speaker
Straight down the middle, Zach was there because obviously it's flipping out brand name, pushing this.
00:40:21
Speaker
And so he wanted to be there.
00:40:24
Speaker
Oh, the gentleman that does Penn Stadiums.
00:40:28
Speaker
Scott.
00:40:28
Speaker
I was going to say Jeff.
00:40:30
Speaker
You're pretty good to either get Jeff or Scott if you say that with any kind of pinball thing.
00:40:34
Speaker
Yes.
00:40:35
Speaker
But Scott Scott was there.
00:40:37
Speaker
Slap save was there.
00:40:38
Speaker
I mean, it was just really cool because it was kind of like a behind the scenes chill, laxing moment with all the podcasts and the guys that made the game.
00:40:48
Speaker
I'm excited after this to just get my hands on Oktoberfest.
00:40:51
Speaker
I haven't got to play one yet.
00:40:54
Speaker
No title for me is an automatic title in my house.
00:40:57
Speaker
And so the beer theme doesn't really speak to me.
00:41:00
Speaker
But hey, if it's a great game, I mean, the shadow is not a great theme.
00:41:04
Speaker
I still want it.
00:41:06
Speaker
So yeah.
00:41:07
Speaker
I know one that could be for sale.
00:41:09
Speaker
Let's assemble it together.
00:41:10
Speaker
It's a build your own adventure.
00:41:12
Speaker
Oh, let's not even go there.
00:41:15
Speaker
I feel terrible about that.
00:41:18
Speaker
So if you want to hang out with the cool kids, or I don't know if we call ourselves the cool kids, if you want to hang out with... I think by definition, our podcast name says that we don't identify as the cool kids.
00:41:30
Speaker
Correct.
00:41:30
Speaker
We'll get there, because today is origin story time, kids.
00:41:34
Speaker
Right.
00:41:35
Speaker
Right back to this.
00:41:36
Speaker
Woo-hoo.
00:41:36
Speaker
Okay.
00:41:37
Speaker
So yeah, it was just really cool.
00:41:39
Speaker
If you want to come hang out, I think we'll be there.
00:41:42
Speaker
We'll try to make it.
00:41:44
Speaker
It seems like every other podcast was there.
00:41:47
Speaker
Come join us.
00:41:48
Speaker
It was fun.
00:41:49
Speaker
Good job, Special One Lit.
00:41:50
Speaker
It was a great show.
00:41:52
Speaker
We'll have to start streaming from our own basements.
00:41:54
Speaker
We will have to do that.
00:41:56
Speaker
Actually, I have thought about that.
00:41:58
Speaker
I've thought about talking to Martin and figuring out what sort of portable rig there is.
00:42:04
Speaker
I think that if I started streaming, I'd probably play my own games more.
00:42:09
Speaker
Jack Danger and I have been talking a lot about it.
00:42:11
Speaker
I'll send you over the stuff he sent me.
00:42:13
Speaker
Okay.
00:42:13
Speaker
Do you want to come over and assemble it?
00:42:15
Speaker
I would love just to have someone assemble it and I can just play the games.
00:42:19
Speaker
Yeah, we'll see.
00:42:20
Speaker
We'll figure it out.
00:42:23
Speaker
So, cool.
00:42:26
Speaker
So that pretty much wraps it up for news and notes.
Origin of 'Loser Kid' Podcast Name
00:42:28
Speaker
Like I told you, I'm going to take this quick moment because...
00:42:33
Speaker
Every time we've been announced on other podcasts and other features like This Week in Pinball and stuff like that, they always say Loser Kid Pinball Podcast, the saddest name for Pinball Podcast or the most self-deprecating name.
00:42:49
Speaker
And I want to set the record straight.
00:42:51
Speaker
So we're going back 15 years right now, kids.
00:42:54
Speaker
We're going back to when Blink-182 was huge.
00:42:57
Speaker
This was...
00:42:58
Speaker
Uh, they just finished up with take off your pants and jacket and they had released the self title album.
00:43:04
Speaker
Um, they owned a clothing company called loser kids.
00:43:08
Speaker
You see where this is going?
00:43:09
Speaker
Huh?
00:43:10
Speaker
Anyhow.
00:43:11
Speaker
So they had a clothing line before Macbeth that they called loser kids.
00:43:15
Speaker
It was kind of just a distributorship that, um, got a bunch of skater punk clothes and then they would sell it through their website.
00:43:23
Speaker
The name kind of got lost.
00:43:25
Speaker
They kind of just abandoned it.
00:43:26
Speaker
But the bunny that you see associated with Blink-22 is the Loser Kid Bunny.
00:43:32
Speaker
So growing up in high... Well, I guess we're all growing up in high school.
00:43:39
Speaker
In high school, I don't want to say I was...
00:43:44
Speaker
A loser, but because of who I am, one of the things that made me stand out is I refuse to drink alcohol.
00:43:54
Speaker
It's a very personal story to me.
00:43:56
Speaker
It doesn't really necessarily have to do with I had a gentleman in a bar.
00:44:00
Speaker
I told him, hey, I don't drink alcohol because he wanted to play some pinball and drink some beers with me.
00:44:04
Speaker
I said, I just don't drink.
00:44:06
Speaker
And then he kind of gave me the, well, you go to church, isn't it?
00:44:08
Speaker
And I said, no, it's not the church.
00:44:09
Speaker
And I gave him the story.
00:44:11
Speaker
And then the dude was like, well, that's a buzzkill.
00:44:13
Speaker
I'm like, dude, you're the one that brought it up.
00:44:14
Speaker
So I'm like, if you're going to attack me when you don't even know me, I will give you my story.
00:44:21
Speaker
I'm not going to share my story here.
00:44:23
Speaker
It's a little long.
00:44:24
Speaker
It involves other people that I'd prefer not to discuss on this podcast.
00:44:29
Speaker
But if you ever see me and you want to hear the story, I'd be more than happy to share it with you.
00:44:33
Speaker
It's not...
00:44:35
Speaker
I don't know if it will kill your buzz.
00:44:36
Speaker
It did this gentleman, but I think it's because he was trying to prove a point, which then got shot down.
00:44:41
Speaker
Yeah.
00:44:41
Speaker
But, but any who, because I, I didn't drink alcohol and all my friends did, uh, they often made fun of me and called me a loser.
00:44:49
Speaker
So me being a huge blink way to fan liking the loser kid symbolism, I then took loser and thought, well, I'm not like everyone else.
00:45:00
Speaker
So that makes me a loser, which isn't a bad thing in my opinion.
00:45:03
Speaker
Um,
00:45:04
Speaker
And then I always want to be a kid, even though I have adult responsibilities, even though I love my family, even though I don't mind paying the bills and going to work and getting stuff done.
00:45:13
Speaker
I never want to grow up.
00:45:15
Speaker
I always want to relate to my kids.
00:45:18
Speaker
And so hence the name loser kid, bam.
00:45:22
Speaker
And so.
00:45:23
Speaker
In my world, it's more of a positive thing.
00:45:26
Speaker
And I think it's a cool thing to stand out from everyone else.
00:45:33
Speaker
Doesn't matter what it may be, especially in pinball.
00:45:37
Speaker
It seems like all of us as pinheads stand out from the rest of the world because of our hobby.
00:45:45
Speaker
There's not many people...
00:45:47
Speaker
that you know on a normal, well not normal, what's the word I'm looking for?
00:45:51
Speaker
Average.
00:45:52
Speaker
Average basis that is into pinball.
00:45:55
Speaker
So I would say Loserkid is not a downer, it's a unique name.
00:46:01
Speaker
And so in that spirit, I'm going to dub some honorary loser kids right now.
00:46:09
Speaker
Eric Meniere, since you came on our podcast, you are officially a loser kid.
00:46:14
Speaker
If you want to use the title, you're more than welcome to.
00:46:15
Speaker
You're also the first kid who actually decided to take a chance and get interviewed for our first interview, which I definitely appreciate.
00:46:23
Speaker
Yes.
00:46:24
Speaker
So you're our number one loser kid.
00:46:27
Speaker
for the pinball industry.
00:46:29
Speaker
I also want to extend the loser kid title to Jeff Rivera of the pinball podcast, because he has taught us a lot on this journey as we've been doing this.
00:46:38
Speaker
And he was nice enough, nice enough to also come along on our journey and, and record an episode and same with Dan Newman for teaching us about tournaments and stuff like that.
00:46:48
Speaker
So,
00:46:49
Speaker
Use it what you will.
00:46:51
Speaker
Maybe we can get some cool patches.
00:46:52
Speaker
I don't know.
00:46:53
Speaker
We'll talk about it later.
00:46:55
Speaker
I think it's cool.
00:46:56
Speaker
Personally, me.
00:46:57
Speaker
And so if you want to be a Loser Kid, reach out to us and we'll talk about it.
00:47:01
Speaker
We'll talk about getting you on the show or doing something.
00:47:05
Speaker
But I see Loser Kid as a positive thing.
00:47:08
Speaker
I know it's kind of a weird thing to think, but that's what it is.
00:47:15
Speaker
Yeah, I just kind of look at it as how when...
00:47:18
Speaker
When I was growing up, being called a nerd was bad.
00:47:21
Speaker
And now people just self-appoint, I'm a nerd.
00:47:25
Speaker
And it's just, no, that's who I am.
00:47:26
Speaker
And it just kind of identifies which lane you're in.
00:47:28
Speaker
So I don't really, I don't have any negative connotations to that.
00:47:33
Speaker
It's just like, yeah, it's kind of, it's more declaring you're doing your own thing.
00:47:37
Speaker
And I'm okay with that.
Music-Themed Pinball Game Ideas
00:47:40
Speaker
Nothing wrong with that at all.
00:47:41
Speaker
So...
00:47:42
Speaker
Well, I wanted to do one more thing before we wrap this up.
00:47:45
Speaker
I wanted to talk about, you know, Head to Head's been doing their whole music pin thing.
00:47:50
Speaker
They were talking about Rush.
00:47:51
Speaker
And with me being from a music background since I was in a band and traveled and enjoyed rubbing shoulders with other people in music and with music influencing so much of my high school life, I wanted to talk our top three music pins.
00:48:07
Speaker
I know I have three.
00:48:08
Speaker
Did you come up with three, Scott?
00:48:09
Speaker
I actually did.
00:48:09
Speaker
Yeah.
00:48:11
Speaker
Perfect.
00:48:11
Speaker
Perfect.
00:48:12
Speaker
So I want you to, uh, let's, let's, let's go back and forth.
00:48:16
Speaker
Let's, let's start at our bottom.
00:48:18
Speaker
What's your number three music pin that you would want?
00:48:21
Speaker
See, I'm not sure how relevant this band is currently, but imagine yourself back in 1987 and you're sitting there and you walk into a bar and you see a Def Leppard pinball machine.
00:48:41
Speaker
you are definitely going to go and put some money in that and you're going to crank up, pour some sugar on me.
00:48:46
Speaker
Multi-ball.
00:48:48
Speaker
Okay.
00:48:50
Speaker
I like it.
00:48:51
Speaker
So I actually, I think that Def Leppard would translate really well.
00:48:55
Speaker
Uh, I'm not sure it has the, the dry it once did, but I'm that kind of retro, uh, eighties look.
00:49:03
Speaker
Um, I think it would work out really well.
00:49:06
Speaker
I think also, I think there is more demand for it than you think just because Netflix did their documentary or whatever it was about Motley Crue and there was a lot of good reception to it.
00:49:19
Speaker
Yeah, but Motley Crue, that definitely would be an NSFW pinball machine.
00:49:25
Speaker
I don't know why I went with Motley Crue.
00:49:27
Speaker
You said Def Leppard.
00:49:28
Speaker
Oh my goodness.
00:49:29
Speaker
Sorry.
00:49:30
Speaker
Okay, I will say Motley Crue would be an interesting one, but the pinball jeans would only be in, let's just say, gentlemen's clubs.
00:49:41
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:42
Speaker
Yeah, can be right there next to Playboys.
00:49:44
Speaker
It's probably true.
00:49:45
Speaker
I don't know how many they would sell, but it would be interesting.
00:49:49
Speaker
So Martin gave away my number three on Head to Head.
00:49:54
Speaker
I grew up with Sum 41.
00:49:56
Speaker
It was the first band I kind of connected with.
00:49:58
Speaker
There was a song called Fat Lip came out.
00:50:00
Speaker
It was punk rock mixed with a little bit of rap.
00:50:03
Speaker
It was fantastic.
00:50:05
Speaker
They as they grew up, they went more towards the metal side.
00:50:09
Speaker
And I think that metal vibe plays well already into pinball.
00:50:14
Speaker
And so I think it would play well.
00:50:16
Speaker
especially with their background stories and stuff like that.
00:50:20
Speaker
Because their album, Chuck, they almost lost their lives.
00:50:25
Speaker
I think that would play really cool into a pinball machine, trying to get to the helicopter to get away from the firefight, stuff like that, for interested in checking it out.
00:50:35
Speaker
It's the Sum 41 documentary.
00:50:36
Speaker
You can't miss it.
00:50:39
Speaker
That's my number three.
00:50:40
Speaker
I really like their music.
00:50:42
Speaker
If you want to check them out, I say if you like more metal, check out Chuck.
00:50:46
Speaker
If you like more pop punk, check out All Killer No Filler.
00:50:50
Speaker
And they've got some 80s metal vibes in there as well because they grew up listening to Judas Priest and Iron Maiden.
00:50:55
Speaker
Well, I listen to Iron Maiden.
00:50:58
Speaker
Not much of Judas Priest, but...
00:51:02
Speaker
Okay.
00:51:02
Speaker
All right.
00:51:03
Speaker
What's your number two?
00:51:03
Speaker
Number two.
00:51:05
Speaker
So I'm trying to figure out which this is.
00:51:07
Speaker
Okay.
00:51:08
Speaker
And I know this is, this has been said before, but Van Halen, like, I don't understand why Van Halen does not have a pinball machine.
00:51:19
Speaker
I mean, Van Halen would be perfect.
00:51:21
Speaker
And yeah, and actually, I'm actually one of the, one of the minorities that actually think the, uh, the Van Hagar era is actually a better era.
00:51:31
Speaker
than the early um the david learoth early the the first four albums um however for the for the uh for the pinball machine you go with early you go with 1984 and back uh you have killer music there it certainly is a killer vibe that retro uh van halen logo that you can put up there i mean it it
00:51:56
Speaker
It just screams, you know, just cockiness.
00:52:00
Speaker
It screams that bravado of being a 20-something-year-old who wants to light the world on fire.
00:52:07
Speaker
And that would work really well in a bar.
00:52:10
Speaker
You don't even have to do a back glass.
00:52:13
Speaker
You could just put the first Van Halen album up there with all four of them doing their poses, and you are good to go.
00:52:20
Speaker
But that would be a crazy awesome theme that I think would sell.
00:52:26
Speaker
Oh, I agree.
00:52:27
Speaker
That would be a really cool one, actually.
00:52:30
Speaker
I love Eruption.
00:52:32
Speaker
I think that'd just be a fantastic Eruption multiball or whatever, you know.
00:52:35
Speaker
Well, that would be a solo.
00:52:36
Speaker
So that should be a solo ball epic.
00:52:40
Speaker
See how long you can keep that thing going.
00:52:43
Speaker
Yeah, I agree.
00:52:44
Speaker
All right.
00:52:45
Speaker
My number two is not actually a band.
00:52:49
Speaker
Here's my concept.
00:52:51
Speaker
Warped Tour.
00:52:52
Speaker
It did over 20 plus years of touring through America.
00:52:56
Speaker
When people think Warped Tour, they usually think skateboarding and they think punk rock bands.
00:53:01
Speaker
But if you've ever been to a Warped Tour, there were six different stages at Warped Tour.
00:53:07
Speaker
And each stage kind of did their own genre because they didn't want, say if you were into metal, they didn't want the metal bands competing with each other.
00:53:15
Speaker
So there was one stage that was metal.
00:53:17
Speaker
So you wouldn't have to really worry about which one you're looking for.
00:53:20
Speaker
And the cool part about the concept of this pinball machine is you wouldn't narrow yourself into one music genre.
00:53:31
Speaker
I don't know if anyone knows this.
00:53:33
Speaker
I don't know how well you know your Warped Tour history, but Eminem played on Warped Tour.
00:53:39
Speaker
Black Eyed Peas, Katy Perry, Billy Idol, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts.
00:53:46
Speaker
Not the Blackhearts, Beck.
00:53:48
Speaker
uh iced tea for heaven's sakes there's such an eclectic amount of artists that played on warp tour and you could do six different uh six different stages as the modes you have to collect and that theme or that genre would be tied to that stage and so
00:54:11
Speaker
I imagine this.
00:54:12
Speaker
So there's a metal theme you could pick between Avenged Sevenfold, a day to remember some of those.
00:54:22
Speaker
And once you once you've played that stage and collected it, you move on to the next one or you can you can move around from stage to stage because that's the nice part about Warped Tour.
00:54:30
Speaker
You did not have to stay at one stage.
00:54:32
Speaker
And so it could be a very open freelance kind of game that's not so linear.
00:54:37
Speaker
I think it has a lot of potential.
00:54:39
Speaker
And the other cool part would be having the spinning disc like you would in Pirates of the Caribbean.
00:54:43
Speaker
And that would be your mosh pit and getting the balls up into there.
00:54:47
Speaker
So they're all moshing and doing the circle.
00:54:50
Speaker
I don't know.
00:54:50
Speaker
It's a no, in my opinion, it's a no brainer to do.
Aquabats Pinball Machine Pitch
00:54:54
Speaker
Even if warp tour is not your thing, some type of festival, because it then takes the ability to do multiple bands that you might not necessarily get one pinball machine out of, but they could work together to make one epic pinball machine.
00:55:09
Speaker
Yeah, I guess I would think more of Lollapalooza, but that was probably before your time.
00:55:17
Speaker
And you could do a Monsters of Rock tour, and that was kind of the biggest 80s bands.
00:55:23
Speaker
But in some ways, that seems kind of generic.
00:55:26
Speaker
I don't know.
00:55:27
Speaker
I don't know if that would work.
00:55:29
Speaker
I don't know if I would really be drawn in by that.
00:55:32
Speaker
And I guarantee you could get Jeffree Star to do the call outs because Jeffree Star was on Warped Tour one year as well.
00:55:38
Speaker
How cool would that be?
00:55:39
Speaker
Come on, Jeffree.
00:55:40
Speaker
I know you want to be in a pinball machine.
00:55:42
Speaker
Okay.
00:55:43
Speaker
All right.
00:55:43
Speaker
My number one pinball machine theme.
00:55:49
Speaker
Okay.
00:55:49
Speaker
Drum roll.
00:55:49
Speaker
Journey.
00:55:53
Speaker
Journey had their, now, yes, they know cheesy love songs, but there are so many great rock songs that would really work out well.
00:56:02
Speaker
And I'm, you know, the, if you look at Journey's visuals, like they have a very distinct look and it was, you know, it was basically kind of this early, early eighties, um, um,
00:56:20
Speaker
early 80s illustrator, you know, what am I looking for?
00:56:25
Speaker
It's a, it's kind of futuristic commercial art book.
00:56:30
Speaker
Okay.
00:56:32
Speaker
It's very distinct, but it also feels very classic.
00:56:35
Speaker
And I think that there would be some really great, great imagery that you could make into a game and say, huh, that's really interesting.
00:56:44
Speaker
Journey actually had a great video game.
00:56:47
Speaker
back in the day and they you would go through and you'd collect all the band members um however they had some problems with it because it would take pictures of the people with the high scores and there were people with their shirts off that ended up on these games now it may work for now but it didn't really work in 1982
00:57:08
Speaker
So, but I think that Journey would be a fantastic game visually.
00:57:15
Speaker
It would look great.
00:57:17
Speaker
And I actually think that it would be really super, it would be a big seller.
00:57:22
Speaker
I agree.
00:57:24
Speaker
There is a lot of, not only is Journey, in my opinion, considered one of the best bands of the 80s, it's still relevant to today.
00:57:32
Speaker
When I DJ even kids dances for high school, when I start playing Journey, I turn the music down because all those kids are singing it and you can't hear the music over them singing it.
00:57:44
Speaker
So I think it's still relevant to this day as well.
00:57:47
Speaker
Well, it kind of had a big comeback with Sopranos.
00:57:51
Speaker
Okay, so my number one.
00:57:54
Speaker
It's really obscure, but because of this band, I think it would integrate into pinball so well that it's undeniable that it would make a great pinball machine.
00:58:09
Speaker
I don't know if you've ever heard of these guys, but the Aquabats.
00:58:12
Speaker
Have you heard of the Aquabats?
00:58:13
Speaker
Yeah.
00:58:14
Speaker
Yeah.
00:58:17
Speaker
Okay, go with me on this.
00:58:19
Speaker
So this is a band that only has made music, but they've made a TV series.
00:58:22
Speaker
They've made funny gadgets and stuff like that.
00:58:27
Speaker
So the appeal of the Aquabats is they're surf rock music.
00:58:33
Speaker
mixed with ska.
00:58:34
Speaker
And so at one point as a joke, that was ska was at their height.
00:58:38
Speaker
They had 14 members in their band.
00:58:42
Speaker
They're right at five right now.
00:58:44
Speaker
They always get teased as the band that used to have Travis Barker from Blink-22, the drummer that everyone knows because he drums for everyone.
00:58:51
Speaker
But here's the thing about the Aquabats.
00:58:54
Speaker
They've got a story to their band.
00:58:57
Speaker
Each band member has a special power or a special superpower.
00:59:02
Speaker
And the call outs and everything would be fantastic.
00:59:06
Speaker
Just imagine trying to collect all five band members.
00:59:08
Speaker
There's the MC Bat Commander.
00:59:11
Speaker
There's Eagle Bone Falcon Hawk.
00:59:13
Speaker
There's Crash McLarson, Ricky Fitness, and Jamie the Robot.
00:59:18
Speaker
You're trying to collect these guys and then every time, kind of like Monster Bash, you collect all five of them, but then as you get their power, that power would then enhance the game.
00:59:29
Speaker
So let's say you get Crash McLarson, his special superpower is to grow really big.
00:59:35
Speaker
Well, double your two times, three times play field would be his after you've collected him and you start his superpower.
00:59:43
Speaker
Ricky Fitness is really, really fast at drumming.
00:59:46
Speaker
Have a fast hurry up mode.
00:59:49
Speaker
I mean, there's just so much that could play so well and easily with this band that it just makes sense to me.
00:59:55
Speaker
If you've ever seen them live live,
00:59:59
Speaker
they play their superhero persona on stage.
01:00:01
Speaker
They come out all dressed as, if you don't know who these guys are, please go check them out.
01:00:05
Speaker
The Aquabats charge in my opinions, their best CD.
01:00:09
Speaker
A lot of people like the fury, the Aquabats.
01:00:12
Speaker
That's a really good one too, but they fight villains on stage.
01:00:17
Speaker
There could be a villain multi ball where you fight the sand fleas is the name of one of the villains they fight.
01:00:23
Speaker
You know, it's a great theme all the way around and it's a family friendly theme.
01:00:28
Speaker
If you want to take your kid, your five-year-old to their first concert, take them to the Aquabats.
01:00:32
Speaker
You're not going to have to worry about them swearing.
01:00:35
Speaker
They created Yo Gabba Gabba for heaven's sakes.
01:00:39
Speaker
They're fantastic.
01:00:40
Speaker
I really think that their band would integrate so well into pinball.
01:00:46
Speaker
It would be great if done right.
01:00:48
Speaker
You know what I'm saying?
01:00:50
Speaker
No.
01:00:50
Speaker
No.
01:00:52
Speaker
No, I don't know what you're saying.
01:00:55
Speaker
I am so lost in this conversation.
01:00:58
Speaker
It's a good thing this isn't a video chat because my face is just with my jaw drawn open and I have no idea what you're talking about.
01:01:09
Speaker
The wizard mode, they've got a song that's literally called Look at Me, I'm a Winner.
01:01:14
Speaker
Think of Look at Me, I'm a Winner wizard mode.
01:01:17
Speaker
Come on.
01:01:19
Speaker
If you're going to go with that, then why don't you go with the 1970s Super Friends, where you're collecting the Wonder Twins, and you're collecting Hawkman and Wonder Woman and Aquaman before he was cool?
01:01:32
Speaker
Because this is music pins.
01:01:34
Speaker
This is music pins.
01:01:35
Speaker
And so...
01:01:36
Speaker
Their music would integrate so well.
01:01:38
Speaker
Okay, Jack Black is an Aqua Cadet.
01:01:41
Speaker
So if you're a huge fan of the Aquabats, they have the Aqua Cadets.
01:01:45
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Jack Black is one of the guys that's pushing to get the Aquabats, their TV series back.
01:01:51
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I mean, there's just so much entrenched there, especially with Jack Black being like, everyone, check out Pinball.
01:01:57
Speaker
Yeah, okay.
01:01:58
Speaker
I think this is your passion project that would sell one to you and your mom.
01:02:04
Speaker
I just... No, I... I'm sorry.
01:02:07
Speaker
There's no chance this would sell.
01:02:08
Speaker
I do not believe that.
01:02:09
Speaker
There's no chance anyone would... Basically, Gary Stern and George Gomez would be throwing you out of the Stern pitch booth so fast if you went there and said you wanted to do an Aquabats pinball machine.
01:02:23
Speaker
Dude, they've been around for almost 30 years.
01:02:25
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There is weight under them.
01:02:28
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They've got a following.
01:02:31
Speaker
Okay, now you did hit on Motley Crue.
01:02:33
Speaker
Motley Crue would actually make a great pinball machine.
01:02:37
Speaker
You should probably stick with that one.
01:02:39
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No, I'm sticking with the Aquabats because if I got Lyman on that code along with Franchi artwork and John Borg or Steve Ritchie layout, well, I'm sorry.
01:02:54
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I just kind of put a super team together anyway.
01:02:56
Speaker
So they should do the super friends.
01:02:58
Speaker
Yes.
01:02:58
Speaker
Either that.
01:02:59
Speaker
Well, you could do a Miley Cyrus, Hannah Montana pinball machine with that team and it would still sell.
01:03:06
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Oh, yeah.
01:03:07
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Yeah.
01:03:08
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But my point being is it's a theme that shouldn't be discounted.
01:03:11
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If you haven't listened to the Aquabats, please, please just listen to look at my, I've done this and either people do one or two things.
01:03:19
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They go, that is the greatest song I've ever heard.
01:03:21
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Look at me.
01:03:22
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I'm a winner.
01:03:23
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It's the greatest song I've ever heard in my life.
01:03:25
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Or the other reaction is what are you smoking?
01:03:28
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And you should get out of here.
01:03:30
Speaker
I really think this pinball machine would only sell in Colorado and maybe around San Francisco where there's a lot of 420 going on.
01:03:39
Speaker
I just can't imagine anybody wanting this game.
01:03:46
Speaker
Well, I didn't think that about Batman 66, but here we are.
01:03:50
Speaker
You are so far off the rails.
01:03:54
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Hey, people have backed me with this concept on pin side.
01:03:57
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Okay.
01:03:57
Speaker
One dude, one dude.
01:03:59
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One dude.
01:04:00
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Yeah.
01:04:00
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Person.
01:04:01
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Person has backed you, not people.
01:04:03
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Okay.
01:04:03
Speaker
Okay.
01:04:04
Speaker
No, seriously.
01:04:04
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Write in.
01:04:05
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Everyone, write on our Facebook page.
01:04:08
Speaker
Tell Scott he is wrong and that we need an Aquabats pinball machine.
01:04:11
Speaker
There's no chance for the three people who are following us.
01:04:14
Speaker
There's no chance we're going to get anybody who sides with you.
01:04:17
Speaker
There's zero chance.
01:04:19
Speaker
You never know.
01:04:20
Speaker
Creason might send us a full page message on how this is the theme that needs to be made.
01:04:26
Speaker
Okay.
01:04:27
Speaker
If you get more than 10 people who say that's a good idea, that's still not a spooky title.
01:04:36
Speaker
True.
01:04:37
Speaker
That's a Heroes of Valhalla or the Wrath of Olympus numbers.
01:04:45
Speaker
Okay, I'll make a poll.
01:04:46
Speaker
How about this?
01:04:47
Speaker
Let's see if we can get anyone to go to our Facebook page, Loser Kid Pinball Podcast, and we'll have a poll.
01:04:56
Speaker
Yes, it's a good idea.
01:04:58
Speaker
No, it's terrible.
01:05:00
Speaker
This is just going to be so sad because it's going to only have like three people vote.
01:05:04
Speaker
It's going to be you, me, and like my wife, maybe.
01:05:07
Speaker
You know what?
01:05:07
Speaker
But if three people vote and they all say yes, I'm still right.
01:05:11
Speaker
Okay.
01:05:11
Speaker
Well, you did not have a vote for me.
01:05:14
Speaker
I think you're crazy.
01:05:17
Speaker
Come on, Crystal.
01:05:18
Speaker
You know you're on my side.
01:05:19
Speaker
Wow.
01:05:23
Speaker
I want the next rant to be Franchi telling you how –
01:05:26
Speaker
how quickly you would have been thrown out of the pitch session.
01:05:30
Speaker
Okay.
01:05:31
Speaker
Okay.
01:05:32
Speaker
All right.
01:05:33
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If, if you guys agree or disagree with our, with our music pin ideas, send us a DM, a PM, whatever they're calling them nowadays through Facebook.
01:05:43
Speaker
Yeah.
01:05:43
Speaker
Get ahold of us at loser kid pinball podcast at gmail.com or, uh,
01:05:49
Speaker
Snell Malice.
01:05:50
Speaker
I don't know.
01:05:52
Speaker
Yeah.
01:05:52
Speaker
Yeah.
01:05:53
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Yeah.
01:05:55
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But yeah, that was our, that was our ideas.
01:05:58
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So.
01:05:59
Speaker
Wow.
01:06:00
Speaker
Yeah.
01:06:00
Speaker
I don't even know what to think.
01:06:01
Speaker
I have to look up half the bands you talked about.
01:06:03
Speaker
Cause I have no idea what you're talking about.
01:06:07
Speaker
Well, actually all three of your things, I have no idea.
01:06:13
Speaker
Who's some 182 or 55 or whatever, whoever that is.
01:06:19
Speaker
And the Warped Tour, I don't know.
01:06:21
Speaker
I must have been in college during that.
01:06:22
Speaker
I have no idea who was on the Warped Tour.
01:06:25
Speaker
I thought you were going to say like Ozfest or something.
01:06:28
Speaker
I'm like, yeah, Ozfest would be great.
01:06:30
Speaker
Warped Tour was in 1995 is when it started.
01:06:32
Speaker
Okay.
01:06:33
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:06:35
Speaker
So you hit right in the middle of my college days, which means I went to a school in the morning, work in the afternoon, and studied at night.
01:06:44
Speaker
And apparently someone down the road was downloading everything on Napster at the time.
01:06:52
Speaker
See, perfect.
01:06:53
Speaker
Yeah.
01:06:54
Speaker
You could have been there.
01:06:56
Speaker
I don't know what to tell you.
01:06:57
Speaker
I couldn't have been there because I was broke.
01:07:00
Speaker
I couldn't even buy like the dollar menu back then.
01:07:03
Speaker
Dude, that was the pill of Warped Tour.
01:07:04
Speaker
It was dirt cheap, and you got to see like 50-plus bands for $20.
01:07:09
Speaker
There's a reason why I didn't get into pinball back then, because I couldn't even afford to pay dollars into just playing dollar games.
01:07:16
Speaker
Yeah, true.
01:07:17
Speaker
So, well, cool.
01:07:18
Speaker
I think that pretty much wraps it up.
01:07:20
Speaker
It's almost midnight for us guys.
01:07:22
Speaker
And it's probably midnight for when we're going to release this episode.
01:07:25
Speaker
I usually do it midnight Australia time.
01:07:27
Speaker
So that's right.
01:07:28
Speaker
Yes.
01:07:29
Speaker
But cool.
01:07:30
Speaker
Uh, it looks like we may or may not be dropping an episode next week.
01:07:34
Speaker
So keep an eye out for that.
01:07:37
Speaker
Uh, it may or may not happen.
01:07:38
Speaker
I'm not going to make any promises guys.
01:07:40
Speaker
I got two, I got two twins now.
01:07:42
Speaker
I don't know what to do with myself.
01:07:43
Speaker
Yeah.
01:07:43
Speaker
Well, hopefully we'll be able to at least drop a quick interview episode and talk about the Rocky Mountain Pinball Showdown coming up.
01:07:51
Speaker
Yeah.
01:07:52
Speaker
So I want to clarify, I have two babies that happen to be twins.
01:07:56
Speaker
I do not have two sets of twins.
01:07:58
Speaker
That would be awesome, though.
01:08:00
Speaker
Yeah, I guess whatever floats your boat.
01:08:04
Speaker
Have I ever told you about my cousin?
01:08:07
Speaker
My cousin had girl, girl, twin girls, twin girls.
01:08:12
Speaker
Like this was all spontaneous.
01:08:15
Speaker
Her mom was a twin.
01:08:16
Speaker
And yeah, apparently it runs in the family there.
01:08:20
Speaker
Nice.
01:08:21
Speaker
So six girls, two sets of twins.
01:08:24
Speaker
You know, it's funny.
01:08:24
Speaker
We have a boy and a girl twin and we're going to start putting like rules on Facebook.
01:08:29
Speaker
They're not identical, right?
01:08:31
Speaker
Yeah.
01:08:31
Speaker
They're yes.
01:08:32
Speaker
They're twins.
01:08:33
Speaker
No, they're not identical.
01:08:34
Speaker
One's a boy.
01:08:34
Speaker
One's a girl.
01:08:36
Speaker
And I live in a small town.
01:08:37
Speaker
So usually the follow-up question is, oh, you're having twins.
01:08:40
Speaker
Did you hear someone else is having quadruplets or whatever they are?
01:08:44
Speaker
Yes, I've heard.
01:08:45
Speaker
Trust me.
01:08:46
Speaker
I've heard it multiple times.
01:08:47
Speaker
Yeah.
01:08:48
Speaker
I wouldn't want quadruplets.
01:08:50
Speaker
No, me neither.
01:08:51
Speaker
But all right, man.
01:08:53
Speaker
Always good to talk to you.
01:08:54
Speaker
Okay.
01:08:55
Speaker
Sounds good.
01:08:56
Speaker
Well, go and take care of those babies.
01:08:58
Speaker
Will do.
01:08:59
Speaker
You take care of your children.
01:09:02
Speaker
Sounds good.
01:09:02
Speaker
I think they're still asleep, but I'm not sure.
01:09:05
Speaker
All right, man.
01:09:06
Speaker
Okay, catch you later.
01:09:07
Speaker
Later.