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28 Years Later: The Bone Temple
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This week on the show, Andrew and Russell talk about the new film 28 Years Later: The Bone Temple, and discuss the "28 Days" series as a whole.
Also in this episode, we start a new format in which we also talk about movie news, what we've been watching lately, and random other movie stuff. Enjoy!
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Intro
Introduction and Podcast Evolution
00:00:06
Andrew Sweatman
Hello, hello and welcome back to Art House Garage, Arkansas's art house podcast. Today on the show we're talking about the new film from director Nia DaCosta and writer Alex Garland. It's 28 years later, The Bone Temple. I'm your host Andrew Swetman and joining me once again is film critic Russell Miller.
00:00:23
Andrew Sweatman
Stick around.
00:00:25
Andrew Sweatman
Hello, hello. Welcome back to the show Russell Miller. How are you today?
00:00:29
Russell Miller
doing great.
00:00:31
Andrew Sweatman
Russell's been on the show many, many times, but if you are unfamiliar, he's a film critic in North Carolina and makes, first of all, watches more movies than anyone I know and makes lists like crazy. So always a great person to have on a movie podcast.
00:00:46
Russell Miller
Yeah, definitely a little obsessive compulsive when it comes to OCD when it comes to some movie related things, but, uh,
00:00:57
Russell Miller
Always happy to jump in and talk some film stuff with Andrew whenever he's in the market to do some shows or podcast on something that he's caught his eye or caught his interests.
00:01:03
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:01:10
Russell Miller
Absolutely.
00:01:11
Andrew Sweatman
Yes. And on that note, first of all, I so appreciate all the time you've put into this show over the years now.
Personal Anecdotes and Podcasting Challenges
00:01:18
Andrew Sweatman
But i want to first say at the top of this episode that this episode marks a little bit of a shift, a little bit of a change in the format of what I've been doing with the show for a long time.
00:01:29
Andrew Sweatman
so the brief the brief history of this podcast. I started in 2018, did it for a while and took a break and then got back into it. And like at times it was doing it weekly, bi-weekly, monthly. And it's depending on how busy my life is, it becomes really hard to put out a show more frequently, especially because at the time I was kind of imitating movie podcasts that I like, which often entailed multiple guests talking about different movies and editing all that into one cohesive thing and recording stuff by myself and with guests and a lot of editing time. And i don't really have time to do that anymore. I enjoyed all that, but it also was a huge time time suck. And, you know, I took a break from this show when my daughter got sick. It's been a year and a half now, almost. and She's doing great now, but I haven't since that haven't really
00:02:24
Andrew Sweatman
found a way back in besides doing, you know, we did a top 10 episode, top five episode here and there. But my idea going forward is what you're listening to now, which will be a little bit more casual, a little bit more. We're going to talk about a a movie every time as, as I usually do, as we usually do. But we're also going to have a little,
00:02:46
Andrew Sweatman
a more free flowing conversation ahead
'28 Years Later: The Bone Temple' Discussion
00:02:48
Andrew Sweatman
of that. So we're gonna see what sticks from this format, but we're gonna talk about just things we've been watching lately, recent movie news that we're interested in things that are coming out soon that we might wanna talk about.
00:03:01
Russell Miller
Thank you.
00:03:02
Andrew Sweatman
might just talk about a random movie from our movie collections and then kind of get into whatever the feature is for that week which this week is 28 years later the bone temple so we are going to get into 28 years later the bone temple in just a little bit and i'm excited about this new format i think it'll make this easier and maybe more fun in a way hopefully for listeners but also for me and for you russell i'm
00:03:25
Andrew Sweatman
But yeah, but it's also a work in progress and this is our first time doing it. So sorry if it's awkward, but here we go. But I want to say, first of all, I'm really excited to talk about The Bone Temple because i had multiple friends recommend it to me. 28 years later, the previous film made my top 10 last year, which is like a little bit of an oddball choice. not Not a lot of people had it on their list, but I really, really loved that movie.
00:03:50
Andrew Sweatman
And then you in particular, Russell texted me and said, this is an Andrew Swetman
Exploring 'Groundhog Day' and Its Themes
00:03:54
Andrew Sweatman
movie. You've got to go see the bone temple. And I did. And then I saw it a second time because i loved it so much. So anyway, we're going to dig into all of that later, but thank you for the recommendation.
00:04:04
Andrew Sweatman
But,
00:04:04
Russell Miller
Yeah, as soon as I went to see it. And, you know, we obviously talked about the first one on the podcast when we did our top 10 of last year. And as soon as I watched that, I was like, go check this out.
00:04:17
Russell Miller
As soon as you get a chance, I think it was later on that evening after I texted to you or maybe the next day that that I started texting you about it.
00:04:24
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, I think it was like the next day.
00:04:26
Russell Miller
And you were like, okay, maybe I can squeeze it in tonight. And then you went and saw it and you were like, mind blown.
00:04:31
Andrew Sweatman
i did.
00:04:33
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:04:33
Andrew Sweatman
There was life before the bone temple and there's life after the bone temple. I really loved it.
00:04:37
Russell Miller
That's right.
00:04:39
Andrew Sweatman
Well, I think one thing we can do as part of this new format is just what have you watching lately?
00:04:41
Russell Miller
Before we break into it, yeah.
00:04:44
Andrew Sweatman
Anything besides that? Movie, TV, anything?
00:04:49
Russell Miller
Oh yeah, so I watched and watch Groundhog Day with my kids. Today is February 2nd, Groundhog Day.
00:04:53
Andrew Sweatman
Nice. Yeah. yeah
00:04:56
Russell Miller
So I had my boys watch Groundhog Day. They love Groundhog Day. But I actually like took this opportunity. We watched it part of it last night before we went to bed. And then we finished watching the last act.
00:05:13
Russell Miller
this morning on February 2nd. And so I took like some time to explain a little bit to them about like the hero's journey and how Groundhog Day is like kind of a premier example of a character arc that you want to have in like any kind of a
00:05:26
Andrew Sweatman
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:05:38
Russell Miller
a really good, well-rounded movie. You want to see your protagonist change, right? Like you want to see them develop that character. Usually that comes from like the writing, but also the acting of course is involved.
00:05:55
Russell Miller
You want to see that transition go from the character, you know, make whatever changes they need to make to become, you know, a better person you know, to to put away like negative aspects of their, you know, their relationships or their personality traits and grow, right?
00:06:18
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Yeah.
00:06:19
Russell Miller
Take steps forward in the right direction. And Groundhog Day is like a premier example of that where he's just kind of this this jerk, self-centered, egocentric, you know, weatherman.
00:06:33
Russell Miller
and he... goes through this event that i think we've talked a little bit about, or we mentioned on the podcast before. Like it's not really a, Groundhog Day isn't really about why it's happening. Like the focus isn't on why he's going through this. It's that, no, all we know is that it's happening to him and how is he responding to those events? And at first he
00:07:03
Russell Miller
is just reactively like gathering information about it, but then he starts gaming the system, right? And he uses it to steal and, you know, just like live a fun and party type of lifestyle and, you know, getting girls and and just living, living large.
00:07:22
Andrew Sweatman
Crashing cars. Yeah.
00:07:24
Russell Miller
Yeah. But, but then eventually like he, he, that that wears out its welcome and he realizes this is, this is an, anything meaningful or valuable and eventually he just like kind of yeah go goes into like depression mode in the second act and starts trying to end it all until he has like yeah yeah that's when he starts kind of like jumping off buildings and jumping into a bathtub with a toaster on and that's when he really kind of like
00:07:41
Andrew Sweatman
Mm-hmm.
00:07:44
Andrew Sweatman
Oh, that's when he's crashing cars. Yeah.
00:07:59
Russell Miller
walks Rita, the you know the the love interest in the film, through what he's going through and explains to her that he knows everything. And she tells him, like, well, I don't know, Phil, maybe this is a good thing. Sometimes I wish I had you know lifetimes or or you know just ages to to to get to know
Oscar Nominations and Industry Insights
00:08:20
Russell Miller
things. yeah and And it changes his perspective.
00:08:24
Russell Miller
And he begins to grow in the last third, of the the last act of the movie. and become the type of person that she would want to be with, right? He he really begins to develop the the character traits that she is looking for in a man.
00:08:42
Russell Miller
you know, just like helpful, kind to strangers. And, you know, the the growth that takes place in that last act is really, really cool. And so I'm like talking to my kids through all of this and helping them to understand, you know, that that hero's journey and just, you know, like what, what,
00:09:02
Russell Miller
makes Groundhog Day a great film to me and I think they mostly kind of grasped it but you know that's that's one of the uh one of the great character arcs from from cinema as far as you know my my uh favorite films of all time you know
00:09:09
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Yeah.
00:09:26
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, I have a lot to say about that. Actually, I love Groundhog Day. And I, it's my, the my most striking memory of it is, so I was an English teacher in China for a year, basically i did that for a year.
00:09:40
Andrew Sweatman
And we would watch movies occasionally in class to like help them practice their English and stuff. But Groundhog Day is a movie I would show them. And because it's, it's one thing that's like, there's no real adult content to worry about.
00:09:52
Andrew Sweatman
It's like, pretty much all ages appropriate.
00:09:53
Russell Miller
Sure.
00:09:54
Andrew Sweatman
And then because it's repetitive, they would hear some of the same things over and over. So it's like learning English, you're going to, it's going to sink in a little bit.
00:10:02
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:10:03
Andrew Sweatman
But it's, it's probably the movie I've seen the most in my life actually because of that. Cause I would sit in the back like grading papers, but ultimately I would just watch it every single time. So I'm watching it like three times in a day and it's so repetitive.
00:10:14
Russell Miller
observ it
00:10:14
Andrew Sweatman
So it seems like I'm watching it 10 times, you know, but I do love that movie so much. And I think that, I think what you're saying is right. Cause like I think maybe the first time I watched it, I was like trying to crack the code. it was like Oh, so what was it that made it, made it stick or whatever that he didn't loop again.
00:10:27
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:10:28
Andrew Sweatman
But you're right. It's, it's about like that growth and that I, I used to talk about how I feel like cinema is spiritual in some way. And really what I think,
00:10:37
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:10:39
Andrew Sweatman
It's because when you watch someone grow, I think growth is a spiritual thing, like growing as a better person or whatever. And I think when you watch that in a movie, it's like, oh, this is the point of church.
00:10:50
Andrew Sweatman
Church is supposed to make you grow in this way. But like sometimes watching Groundhog Day makes me feel like I'm growing in that way or whatever.
00:10:57
Russell Miller
Oh, cinema can be a medium for that for sure.
00:10:58
Andrew Sweatman
So, yeah, I think that's a cool.
00:11:01
Russell Miller
Absolutely.
00:11:01
Andrew Sweatman
Absolutely, yeah. So i I used to sell a t-shirt that said Cinema is Spiritual. I think maybe I still do. I'll check the shop.
00:11:07
Russell Miller
Nice.
00:11:08
Andrew Sweatman
But anyway, but yeah, I love Groundhog Day. yeah did did the groundhog see his shadow today i haven't did you have it of great that seems right we just had snowstorm like crazy here's yeah yeah well that's a great pick and yeah when i set this date for recording i didn't even realize it was groundhog day that's perfect
00:11:16
Russell Miller
He did. Six more weeks of winter.
00:11:21
Russell Miller
was going to say, math checks out on that one.
00:11:37
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:11:38
Andrew Sweatman
I have been watching lately a few things, but the main thing is I watched the movie F1. I was kind of trying to watch the Oscar nominated things.
00:11:44
Russell Miller
Oh, yeah.
00:11:46
Andrew Sweatman
And, uh, You know, I didn't and didn't super love it, but I liked it well enough. And it felt, I'll say too, that I was watching it like with friends.
00:11:58
Andrew Sweatman
We were pausing it for bathroom breaks. we People were chit-chatting. So it wasn't like I was locked in in a theater. For one thing, I'm sure the sound and stuff would have been incredible on the big screen. So I didn't get that.
00:12:07
Russell Miller
it's a little bit better IMAX yeah yeah I get to see it when they they released it at first I didn't go see it but then they brought it back for like a week or something and I was like okay fine I'll go and yeah it was it was it was pretty good
00:12:09
Andrew Sweatman
yeah Did you see it in IMAX? Nice.
00:12:17
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:12:20
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
00:12:23
Andrew Sweatman
yeah i think i think it's solid it feels kind of formulaic maybe though i wasn't surprised by much of the plot i will say but again wasn't like the most conducive environment for watching but also i don't know as far as like there's only one more best picture nominee that i haven't seen yet but like f1 is
00:12:28
Russell Miller
oh yeah
00:12:33
Russell Miller
Yeah, I mean...
00:12:44
Andrew Sweatman
my least favorite of all the ones I have seen by, by pretty far.
00:12:47
Russell Miller
Yeah, it's definitely down towards the bottom of the list.
00:12:47
Andrew Sweatman
It's just that I like, I think all the other ones are great. And this one's like, yeah.
00:12:51
Russell Miller
Yeah, it's it's, you know, it's no Hamnet, it's no Marty Supreme, it's no, yeah, it's it's one of the lower tier Oscar Best Picture nominees for sure, but
00:12:56
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:13:02
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:13:02
Russell Miller
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think I still had it around my top 20, like 2019, 20, 21. It fell somewhere in that range because I had a good time.
00:13:10
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. yeah
00:13:12
Russell Miller
I mean, the editing was great.
00:13:13
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
00:13:14
Russell Miller
The sound work, I mean, it definitely had some good technicals worked into the the filmmaking.
00:13:15
Andrew Sweatman
Mm-hmm.
00:13:21
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:13:22
Andrew Sweatman
I think if it, because often they'll bring all the best picture nominees back to theaters, that might be one that i could go see on the big screen and like kind of lock in a little bit more and get the big speakers and all that.
00:13:22
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:13:31
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:13:32
Andrew Sweatman
but But yeah, that was the main thing I watched. Other than that, I've been watching, I've talked about this a few times on the podcast, but over the last few years, I used to be the biggest snob about reality television. And, you know, a lot of people listening probably feel that way about it, but I've really gotten into it.
00:13:50
Andrew Sweatman
I've been watching the traders and man, it's that's a lot of fun. Creators UK. Actually, I like even better. That's all I'll say about it. But my friends have kind of gotten us into it. And I'm like, when's the next episode? I'm dying to watch it. So if anyone out there likes The Traitors and you want to message me about it, I would love that. But there you go. That's what I've been watching lately.
00:14:11
Andrew Sweatman
Let's talk about the Oscars. We're going to talk about a couple of news things. I'm going to pull up the Oscar nominees. But yeah, did you have any kind of general impressions from what was nominated the other day?
00:14:22
Russell Miller
yeah, I mean, there was some, uh, there was some good stuff. Oh boy. They, they went, uh, they went crazy for sinners.
00:14:31
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:14:33
Russell Miller
despite the fact that it didn't make either of our top 10 lists, the Oscars just like lost their minds over sinners.
00:14:36
Andrew Sweatman
I've seen, yeah.
00:14:39
Russell Miller
yeah, I mean, I, and, and again, both of us appreciated the film. I think we both had in our top 15.
00:14:43
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, I like it a lot, in fact.
00:14:46
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Yeah.
00:14:46
Russell Miller
This is not our top 10, but, uh,
00:14:49
Russell Miller
Yeah, I mean, Ryan Coogler got in for best Director, and Jordan got in for Best Actor. I mean, Delroy Lindo made it in for Best Supporting.
00:15:02
Russell Miller
i Yeah, I was pretty tickled to see Delroy got his his Oscar nomination.
00:15:02
Andrew Sweatman
That's pretty cool. Yeah.
00:15:08
Russell Miller
Long time coming, but I'm so happy that he he made the made the final five.
00:15:08
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:15:17
Russell Miller
Yeah, a lot of lot of good nominations. A lot of them were pretty expected because I follow a few other podcasts that talk about Oscar nominees. but yeah, there's there's definitely, you know, even if it was a bit predictable, some good nominations all around.
00:15:34
Russell Miller
Begonia, your Begonia made it in for Best Picture.
00:15:35
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. I love Begonia. That's up there.
00:15:39
Russell Miller
and yeah, a lot of a lot of them.
00:15:40
Andrew Sweatman
Was she also yeah emma Stone for Begonia? Happy about that as well. Yeah. I think my general question was like, wow, Sinners really went hard. And I like, again, I really like Sinners, but I was so surprised it's like got what a record number of nominations.
00:15:58
Andrew Sweatman
But Sinners also.
00:15:58
Russell Miller
Pour one out for Plumns.
00:15:59
Andrew Sweatman
to Yeah. Yeah. I was bummed about that. That was my one thing is I'd love to get Jesse Plemons in there.
00:16:03
Russell Miller
Stone made the cut, but yeah, jesse Jesse missed the vote.
00:16:06
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Yeah. Cause we talked about how that's basically a two-hander. So I would, I would think he would be up for leading, but yeah, we've got Timothee Chalamet, Leo, or what panel?
00:16:11
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:16:14
Russell Miller
And he was so good.
00:16:16
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. He was incredible in that. I don't know who I would knock out of this. i haven't The one that I haven't watched for the best pictures is Secret Agent. So I'm planning to watch that soon.
00:16:26
Andrew Sweatman
so And he's nominated Wagner Mora. So you know that think that's it I so actually haven't watched a Blue Moon either.
00:16:27
Russell Miller
yeah.
00:16:29
Russell Miller
Yep. He's great.
00:16:33
Andrew Sweatman
i need to see that with Ethan Hawke.
00:16:35
Russell Miller
Hawk's good.
00:16:35
Andrew Sweatman
But
00:16:36
Russell Miller
Hawk's pretty. Hawk's solid.
00:16:39
Andrew Sweatman
lots of one battle after another.
00:16:39
Russell Miller
He was my runner up to Plemons.
00:16:41
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:16:42
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:16:44
Andrew Sweatman
who if you had your way, so I guess of the best picture nominees, which is you have highest on your top 10.
00:16:45
Russell Miller
Go ahead
00:16:49
Andrew Sweatman
That's
00:16:51
Russell Miller
ahead. Sentimental Value was my number two film of the year. so that was
00:16:54
Andrew Sweatman
right.
00:16:55
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:16:56
Russell Miller
And you had Hamlet as number one.
00:16:57
Russell Miller
So...
00:16:58
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. So I guess I'm voting for Hamnet on everything and definitely Jesse Buckley for lead actress in that.
00:17:00
Russell Miller
That would be your best picture vote.
00:17:06
Russell Miller
Oh, yeah. She's she's probably front runner right now. So all eyes are going to be on her. so'll She'll almost for sure win the BAFTA.
00:17:18
Andrew Sweatman
Mm-hmm.
00:17:19
Russell Miller
And if she takes the SAG actor or Actress Award, yeah, she'll be firmly in line to...
00:17:26
Andrew Sweatman
Should be kind of a shoe in there, yeah.
00:17:28
Russell Miller
to to win an Oscar.
00:17:32
Andrew Sweatman
I was very happy to see...
00:17:33
Russell Miller
It's in the middle of March.
00:17:35
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, I was just looking at that.
00:17:36
Russell Miller
Oscar.
00:17:36
Andrew Sweatman
I think we're going to have a little friends over kind of thing. I don't know. where
00:17:41
Andrew Sweatman
Plan something. But I was really happy to see Renata Reinsva for Cinemount of Value as well. Because i think anyone who's seen any of her movies, she's not like a household name, right?
00:17:41
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:17:46
Russell Miller
Oh, yeah.
00:17:49
Andrew Sweatman
But anyone who's seen her is like, whoa, she's great. And so I'm glad she's getting some Oscar love. Finally, your feels very much deserved.
00:17:54
Russell Miller
Yeah. Yeah, we're not as awesome.
00:17:58
Andrew Sweatman
As far as what will win, probably one battle or centers, right? Is that what you're seeing as far as pundits?
00:18:03
Russell Miller
Yeah, I still think that one... yeah I think that one battle is still kind of... in line even though sinners over performed and got so many nominations nominations don't necessarily mean everything because look at like the power of the dog power the dog got like led in nominations the year that it that it came out i think was it either 11 12.
00:18:21
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Yeah.
00:18:32
Russell Miller
it had more nominations than any other film that led the way i'm pretty sure anyway but it won't it won't
00:18:36
Andrew Sweatman
I think that's right, and then it'll only end up getting one or two.
00:18:39
Russell Miller
It only walked away with Best Director, which is weird.
00:18:41
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:18:42
Russell Miller
Like, the only thing that it won.
00:18:43
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:18:46
Russell Miller
Coda picked up the screenplay. Coda picked up the Best Picture and and Best Supporting Actor.
00:18:49
Andrew Sweatman
Oh, right.
00:18:55
Russell Miller
So, yeah, that's, you know, just because a movie is nominated the most doesn't mean that's always in line for right?
00:19:03
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:19:04
Russell Miller
But I think it's pretty competitive, but i I think pretty much everybody in Hollywood has kind of said it, like locked in mentally that this is the time to reward PTA and that, you know, Paul is going to get his doobies.
00:19:18
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:19:22
Russell Miller
He's just been making amazing, amazing movies for so long now. Yeah.
00:19:28
Russell Miller
Yeah, I would be really shocked if he if he missed director or best picture.
00:19:35
Andrew Sweatman
I would certainly be happy with either that or Sinner's winning, but i definitely one battle of of those two, the one I had the highest ranked and all that. so Anyway, we shall see what happens.
00:19:44
Russell Miller
a little bit of a preference for her.
00:19:47
Andrew Sweatman
Oh, also happy we both loved Cinnamon of Value. The other sister, Inga Ipsdodder, Lily S., is nominated as well.
00:19:53
Russell Miller
Yeah, she's competitive to win.
00:19:54
Andrew Sweatman
I love seeing that.
00:19:56
Russell Miller
She was great.
00:19:56
Andrew Sweatman
That was great. Oh, and Amy Madigan from Weapons. Not a total surprise, but still a little a little surprising, maybe. me charity She won the Golden Globe, right? I think.
00:20:07
Russell Miller
Yeah, but she won the Globe and the Critics' Choice. No, did she? Did Madigan win?
00:20:12
Andrew Sweatman
She won something.
00:20:14
Russell Miller
Yeah, she won the Critics' Choice.
00:20:14
Andrew Sweatman
I can look at that.
00:20:15
Russell Miller
Did she win? Who won the supporting for the Globes? That is a good question. Globes.
00:20:26
Andrew Sweatman
Google it. And while you're looking that up, the Oscars are on March 15th, the Ides of March, Sunday at 6 p.m. Central.
00:20:35
Russell Miller
Okay, yeah, Tiana Taylor did win for for one battle, and then, yeah
00:20:39
Andrew Sweatman
Oh,
00:20:43
Russell Miller
So, yeah.
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00:20:47
Russell Miller
that's it's It's possible that the supporting actress race...
00:20:52
Andrew Sweatman
yeah, it was Critic Choice. Yeah.
00:20:54
Russell Miller
Yeah, it could go anywhere.
00:20:54
Andrew Sweatman
That Amy won.
00:20:55
Russell Miller
Like, that they could go in any direction. The the Oscars... Madigan won. Teyana is won. it's i would say it's likely that the BAFTAs would go for...
00:21:09
Russell Miller
like a could be either, but probably Ibsodder will take the BAFTA.
00:21:16
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:21:18
Russell Miller
So, yeah. We'll we'll see Oscars will have some interesting categories this year as far as who they whom they reward with the...
00:21:22
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
00:21:29
Andrew Sweatman
Speaking of, first of all, Tiana Taylor's incredible in that movie and so great. And I sent you this the other day, but any listeners who have seen in One Battle After Another, she hosted SNL the other day and there was a really funny sketch about One Battle After Another action figures.
00:21:33
Russell Miller
Oh, yeah.
00:21:43
Andrew Sweatman
So look that up. on on youtube I'll link it in the show notes. But yes, definitely worth the watch. Let's see, I'm gonna make a note here for links to put in the notes and I'll put SNL sketch.
00:21:58
Andrew Sweatman
Well, yeah, Oscars are coming up March 15th. We'll see what what wins. I'm sure we'll comment on it on the show maybe afterwards. But I thought we also might look briefly moving on to the next thing.
00:22:06
Russell Miller
oh yeah
00:22:10
Andrew Sweatman
What's coming up from Criterion? I love getting the email every month. It's like, here's what's coming out in April. And there's a couple of cool things. First of all, Life of Brian, which is cool. I just finally watched that. It's been like two years now, but I had never seen it and I watched it on Easter.
00:22:27
Andrew Sweatman
It should be a little bit sacrilegious. I don't know. But that I think it's getting 4K because it already had a Blu-ray. Let me see. I'm looking at the Criterion website. Yes, coming into four k That will be exciting. Trouble in Paradise, I have not seen.
00:22:44
Andrew Sweatman
Gilda with Rita Hayworth, I have also not seen, unfortunately.
00:22:47
Russell Miller
Ooh, great film.
00:22:48
Andrew Sweatman
Have you seen Gilda before? i need to watch that.
00:22:50
Russell Miller
Oh, well, I mean, i haven't seen everything in Rita Hayworth's filmography. I've seen a few of them though, and she's frigging great. Rita Hayworth.
00:23:00
Russell Miller
Gilda's great. Uh, I'm trying to think of the other couple ones that I've seen. Uh, movie about heaven i'd have to pull that one up it's been a few years since i've watched it but yeah there's some great classic reed hayworth movies i think i've got most of her filmography on digital oh
00:23:12
Andrew Sweatman
Nice.
00:23:20
Andrew Sweatman
Then let's see Point Blank starring Lee Marvin. I am aware of that movie, but I can't remember. I think it's a gangster movie. Yes, and I think it was already in the collection and now it's getting 4k upgrade as well.
00:23:31
Andrew Sweatman
So that sounds cool.
00:23:32
Russell Miller
yeah yeah
00:23:34
Andrew Sweatman
It's cool how there a lot of these eclipse series are now coming to Blu Ray because forever they were only its standard DVD. so it's eclipse series 48.
00:23:42
Russell Miller
Excuse me.
00:23:43
Andrew Sweatman
I don't know any of these films, but it's Kanuyo Tanaka directs and they are the love letter the moon has risen forever a woman the wandering princess girls of the night and love under the crucifix.
00:23:55
Andrew Sweatman
haven't seen or know anything about any of those but the eclipse series is a those cool little box sets that they do so glad those are getting more blu-ray releases and then there's a new trilogy the john singleton's hood trilogy boys in the hood poetic justice and baby boy that's a really cool one i actually haven't seen any of those boys in the hood has been on my list forever but
00:24:17
Russell Miller
can seen me Yeah, any of it. Yeah.
00:24:19
Andrew Sweatman
that's a cool sex i think at least one or two those were already on criterion but not as a set i think that is cool and then the one that you will be most excited about is resurrection from bygone that you're you're fan of and i still haven't watched but that's getting a criterion blu-ray as well so yeah i wanted to mention that
00:24:33
Russell Miller
I got it. Yeah.
00:24:39
Russell Miller
Yeah, I'll get that for sure. That movie is something else.
00:24:44
Andrew Sweatman
yeah it's one
00:24:44
Russell Miller
It should be hit in theaters. If it's not in theaters now, I know they were releasing it pretty soon.
00:24:51
Andrew Sweatman
That could be a cool one to talk about. Well, the the next thing on my little news to do list here was actually to say, what are we going to do? So if we do the idea with this new format of the podcast is a record regularly every two weeks or something like that.
00:25:03
Andrew Sweatman
I think we're going to start with every two weeks and talk about either a new release that comes out in that two week period or If there's nothing super compelling, we could talk about an older movie that we wanted to watch and talk about. But so I thought we might look at see what's coming ahead and we can talk about it right here on the show and decide what we might talk about. I have the list here.
00:25:23
Andrew Sweatman
Things are coming out this Friday, the 6th, February 6th. First of all, Dracula, the new Dracula from Luc Besson is like the main thing, which I'm kind of interested in But I don't know.
00:25:37
Andrew Sweatman
How do you have do you know anything about that movie or you care about it?
00:25:40
Russell Miller
I'm not sure if that's the same... that There was a Dracula movie that I kept hearing about last...
00:25:46
Andrew Sweatman
stars Caleb Landry Jones as Dracula or Prince Vladimir and you know it's Luke Besson who made The Fifth Element and Leon the Professional which I've actually never seen Leon the Professional but you know semi
00:26:02
Russell Miller
Is that... Oh, no, no, no, no.
00:26:05
Andrew Sweatman
it's got Christoph Waltz in it as well
00:26:05
Russell Miller
There's...
00:26:08
Russell Miller
Okay, yeah, I don't think that's the film. Yeah, there was there was a new... there was a There was another Dracula movie that was that released last year.
00:26:20
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, that's right, because there was Nosferatu, and then there was a Dracula, and there's another Dracula.
00:26:20
Russell Miller
And I don't...
00:26:25
Russell Miller
Yep. I think, yeah, I think that was a different one.
00:26:26
Andrew Sweatman
no
00:26:28
Russell Miller
Cause I was hearing that that movie was wild as hell, but I don't think this is, this is a, yeah, this is a different one. So yeah, I don't know anything about this new one.
00:26:40
Russell Miller
oh
00:26:40
Andrew Sweatman
That's sort of the top build thing as far as what I was looking at on this list.
00:26:43
Russell Miller
Dracula, a love tale. Yeah. Okay.
00:26:45
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, seems sense seems interesting.
00:26:46
Russell Miller
i see it now.
00:26:47
Andrew Sweatman
Lupuson interesting director. So that's an option. There's also, there's some stuff that's like, I know that you've already seen that was like screeners that are now coming to theaters.
00:26:58
Andrew Sweatman
Like My Father's Shadow is coming to theaters. So we could talk about that theoretically.
00:27:02
Russell Miller
Yeah, that was my number nine movie from last year.
00:27:03
Andrew Sweatman
and Yeah, I haven't watched yet.
00:27:05
Russell Miller
That was great.
00:27:06
Andrew Sweatman
So that'd be a good excuse for me to watch it. Pileon is coming to theaters this Friday.
00:27:12
Russell Miller
Ooh, will be watching that.
00:27:14
Andrew Sweatman
I'm really excited to see that. There's actually, i don't know if it's coming to Little Rock in the theater, but the Cinema Society is doing a special screening of it this Wednesday. That is February the, wait, 3rd, 4th, the 4th.
00:27:26
Andrew Sweatman
So today's Monday the 2nd.
00:27:28
Russell Miller
Are you going to go over here? That's up in the air.
00:27:30
Andrew Sweatman
I don't know. I want to, but we usually have a thing with our friends every Wednesday night, so I'd have to skip it. But, and but I really want to see that.
00:27:37
Russell Miller
So that's a big question.
00:27:39
Andrew Sweatman
And cause I was just looking at It doesn't look like we're going to get it otherwise. But if I go to that, then that should be the movie we talk about maybe.
00:27:43
Russell Miller
Oh, really?
00:27:47
Russell Miller
Yeah. Yeah, I'll definitely be making it a point to watch that.
00:27:49
Andrew Sweatman
Also. Yeah.
00:27:52
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:27:53
Russell Miller
if I'm sure it will be shown in Charlotte here.
00:27:57
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, if it doesn't, then I'll watch it. I guess I'll wait for streaming or whatever, but hopefully i can go on Wednesday. The President's Cake is also hitting theaters. I know you watched that one, and I would
00:28:07
Russell Miller
That was excellent, yeah.
00:28:10
Andrew Sweatman
I had hoped to watch it. Scarlet, which was on my list, I think at number 10, the the anime. I keep seeing the trailer for it, actually, when I go to see Bone Temple. I saw Bone Temple twice, and they showed the Scarlet trailer, which is the anime Hamlet riff that I really, really liked. Surat is also going to theaters, and I haven't watched that.
00:28:29
Andrew Sweatman
And that could be a good one.
00:28:29
Russell Miller
Oh man, that's a good one.
00:28:31
Andrew Sweatman
That's all. Yeah.
00:28:33
Russell Miller
If you get a chance to go to the theater to see Surat, That movie has, I think I mentioned in the podcast that the year, the the top, our top 10 of the year podcast, like that movie has like an like OMG moment that was probably like the biggest, like kind of like shock moment of the year.
00:28:37
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:28:56
Russell Miller
Like it was just like, Oh, shit like
00:29:02
Andrew Sweatman
That would be a good one to do. i Again, I don't know if that's coming to Little Rock.
00:29:04
Russell Miller
it's a great theater experience.
00:29:05
Andrew Sweatman
If it comes to Little Rock, I'll try to go see it. But if not, I do have the disc from Neon and we can talk about that. But that's all this.
00:29:12
Russell Miller
The theater experience is like where, yeah, where it's at if you get a chance.
00:29:17
Andrew Sweatman
Okay. I'll have the...
00:29:17
Russell Miller
That that movie is, the the big screen with the sound will just take that movie up a few, I wish I had gotten to see it in the theater, but that that's the premiere experience for that film to have like maximum impact value.
00:29:35
Russell Miller
That's all i'll say.
00:29:36
Andrew Sweatman
I'm just going glance at the IMDB and see if it's coming to Little Rock at all.
00:29:41
Russell Miller
It's got a lot of like sound work, like kind of like thumping beat.
00:29:42
Andrew Sweatman
I don't
00:29:47
Russell Miller
Think soundtrack of Challengers type of like oomph, oomph, oomph, you know, where there's there's a lot of like dancing and partying in the in the first act where these like ravers kind of get together in the desert of, I can't remember where it is, like Tunisia or somewhere.
00:29:55
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:29:59
Andrew Sweatman
Hmm.
00:30:05
Russell Miller
Yeah. and And so there's like a lot of cool sound sound work, and like the soundtrack is is pretty awesome.
00:30:17
Russell Miller
But some of the things that happened toward the end of the film are just like, blow your mind. Yeah,
00:30:25
Andrew Sweatman
I definitely got to watch it one way or the other. It doesn't look like it's coming to Little Rock to the theater. So if we do that, it would be a disc watch, but.
00:30:31
Russell Miller
the neon title.
00:30:44
Andrew Sweatman
it.
00:30:44
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:30:46
Andrew Sweatman
good luck, have fun, don't die. I've heard of, and that is starring Sam Rockwell and directed by someone Gore Verbinski. I don't really know much about it. A man from the future appears at a Los Angeles diner with an urgent mission to recruit the exact mix of disgruntled patrons needed for a one-night six-block quest to stop a rogue artificial intelligence from destroying the world.
00:31:09
Andrew Sweatman
Quite a logline. I think it's like a comedy. That could be interesting. Also that week is Wuthering Heights, which I am of...
00:31:20
Russell Miller
The new Emerald Fennell film.
00:31:22
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, I feel torn about, i don't know.
00:31:23
Russell Miller
o
00:31:25
Andrew Sweatman
I, the trailers aren't really doing it for me, but I should probably.
00:31:28
Russell Miller
I will go see anything that that woman puts on the screen.
00:31:33
Andrew Sweatman
Honestly, that's probably the, the buzziest of all of these that we should probably do.
00:31:35
Russell Miller
Ticket is... Yeah, the ticket has already been punched. She's got... Promising Young Woman was my favorite film of... Whenever it came out, 2020, I think?
00:31:45
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. 21 maybe.
00:31:47
Russell Miller
think it I think it came out technically in 2020.
00:31:48
Andrew Sweatman
I'm not sure.
00:31:50
Russell Miller
That was my number one film of that year. And I wasn't quite as high as Salt Burn. It felt like somewhere outside of my top 10, somewhere between like 11 and 15 or something, if I remember right. Salt Burn was a lot of fun and you know twisted and weird.
00:32:07
Russell Miller
i got this I actually got to see Salt Burn at the Chicago Film Festival in 22.
00:32:13
Andrew Sweatman
yeah.
00:32:13
Russell Miller
And Emeril Fennell came out on the stage and talked about the film and did like a Q&A afterwards.
00:32:16
Andrew Sweatman
Nice.
00:32:20
Russell Miller
so yeah, it was cool to like, you know, experience that movie and then hear her get to talk about it for a few minutes, but yeah, big emerald for Nelf and I'll go see anything she wants to make, she really just like, yeah.
00:32:22
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:32:31
Andrew Sweatman
I feel the same way. Like, yeah. yeah I love both those films too.
00:32:35
Russell Miller
and
00:32:35
Andrew Sweatman
I should be more excited about this, I guess. I don't know. I think it's because, yeah.
00:32:39
Russell Miller
Yeah. I'll reserve judgment until, you know, until she completely starts derailing.
00:32:43
Andrew Sweatman
It just looks like it's playing as as, I guess, a big steamy romance, which is not exactly what the book is right?
00:32:45
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:32:49
Andrew Sweatman
And I haven't read it in so long, but I don't know.
00:32:52
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:32:52
Andrew Sweatman
We'll see. But, yeah.
00:32:55
Russell Miller
I'll leave it in her hands and and see what she wants to do with that material. See what directions. Probably some twisted, jacked up shit that she'll figure out and take completely you know in in like some wild directions or something, but I'll be on board for it.
00:33:05
Andrew Sweatman
I'm sure it'll be off the wall. Yeah. You couldn't have two more beautiful leads, right? So I guess on that alone, I should probably go see it, but okay.
00:33:19
Andrew Sweatman
Well, that's, that's the things I guess I'm leaning towards Wuthering Heights. Actually, at this point, we can keep talking about it after this, but that's probably the most, you know, buzzy movie that's coming in the next couple of weeks anyway, but all right.
00:33:26
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:33:33
Andrew Sweatman
We can wrap up the news portion of the show. And now I thought we might do a fun a fun little thing that I got this from another podcast. It's a podcast about video games where they just go through their collection and pick a random thing, whether they've played it or not.
00:33:46
Andrew Sweatman
But we're going do that with movies. And so right now I have a spreadsheet of all of my... It's actually just my physical movies. I have one somewhere for my digital movies as well. Things that are purchased on iTunes and wherever else.
00:33:59
Andrew Sweatman
And I know you have a huge digital library that at some point, if we put yours in the spreadsheet, we can add yours to the mix here. But
00:34:06
Russell Miller
Yeah, the digital library currently stands at like 3,400 films. Nice.
00:34:12
Andrew Sweatman
good God. Okay, this this is actually a sp spreadsheet that I made like two years ago too. So this is not totally up to date. Eventually i have an up to date version of this. but there's 530 things on here. These are physical Blu-rays and DVDs that I own. So I'm gonna go to a random number generator between one and 530. And we're gonna see what what it pulls up.
00:34:32
Andrew Sweatman
Number 180, let's see what it is.
00:34:36
Andrew Sweatman
it is, wait for it.
00:34:36
Russell Miller
All right.
00:34:38
Russell Miller
Probably somewhere in the EFGH range.
00:34:41
Andrew Sweatman
it is part of the Martin Scorsese's World Cinema Project number one. It is a film called The Housemaid, directed by Kim Ki-young.
00:34:47
Russell Miller
Hmm.
00:34:51
Andrew Sweatman
I'm guessing you haven't seen this.
00:34:51
Russell Miller
Hmm.
00:34:53
Andrew Sweatman
True? I have not seen this.
00:34:55
Russell Miller
Yeah, no, I, uh, my, my Scorsese filmography has quite a few holes in it.
00:35:04
Andrew Sweatman
Well, these are like things that and the the Scorsese World Cinema Project, they're not things he directed.
00:35:04
Russell Miller
a
00:35:08
Andrew Sweatman
He just like is curating underseen world things from all over the world.
00:35:11
Russell Miller
Oh, he's, he's going other titles into and bring attention.
00:35:12
Andrew Sweatman
And so it'll say like which country it is. Actually, we're on video. If if if you're seeing the video of this, I have the the disc right behind me.
00:35:17
Russell Miller
Yeah,
00:35:20
Andrew Sweatman
Let me go get it. and wellll One moment.
00:35:22
Russell Miller
yeah there you go.
00:35:24
Russell Miller
Yeah. I know, I know Scorsese is a big fan of, classic cinema, like red shoes and, uh,
00:35:28
Andrew Sweatman
right. Here's my...
00:35:35
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:35:35
Russell Miller
a few other titles he he promotes like a lot of like classic cinema.
00:35:41
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, yeah, yeah. i love that he's like a real champion, a real evangelist for cinema. So this is Martin Scorsese's World Cinema Project, Volume 1. I think there's four or five of these now. It has Tukibuki.
00:35:50
Russell Miller
Oh, nice.
00:35:52
Andrew Sweatman
I know that that was the one that I've oh, I've heard the name of that. I've not seen it, but when I... and That's part of why I got this one because I know people like that movie. Tukibuki from Senegal from 1973. movie called Redis from Mexico in 1936.
00:36:03
Russell Miller
Hmm.
00:36:06
Andrew Sweatman
A movie called A River Called Titus from India and Bangladesh. Dry Summer from Turkey. Trances from Morocco and The Housemaid from South Korea in 1960. And I'm going to pull out the sort visual aid portion if you're listening to the audio.
00:36:20
Russell Miller
Great shouting out to international cinema.
00:36:24
Andrew Sweatman
There we go.
00:36:24
Russell Miller
That's awesome.
00:36:24
Andrew Sweatman
There's the house name. That's the little image on the the box. And there's not, oh, there's a there's a booklet separate. Let's just see if there's any information about this. So I guess the point of this segment is to like talk about a random movie we maybe even not even heard of, but give us an an excuse to...
00:36:47
Andrew Sweatman
learned something new and also if anyone has seen it you can send us a message and tell if it's good or whatever but let's read the log line The log line's not on here. It's on the back of this.
00:37:02
Andrew Sweatman
A torrent of sexual obsession, revenge, and betrayal is unleashed under one roof in this venomous melodrama from South Korean master Kim Ki-young. Immensely popular in its home country when it released, The Housemaid is the thrilling, at times jaw-dropping story of the devastating effect of an unstable household that an unstable household has on the domestic cocoon of a bourgeois morally dubious music teacher his devoted wife and their precocious young children grim and taught yet perched on the border of the absurd kim's film is an engrossing tale of class warfare and familiar disintegration familial disintegration that has been hugely influential on the new generation of south korean filmmakers
00:37:44
Andrew Sweatman
That sounds really good. i will have to watch that.
00:37:47
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:37:49
Andrew Sweatman
And it's, I think maybe so.
00:37:49
Russell Miller
Looks like if it might be in black and white. Is it in black and white?
00:37:53
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. It looks like the image. so it's from what, what year did I say? 1960. like this, the little image here seems black and white and like color graded. Maybe i can't tell if that's just like,
00:38:03
Russell Miller
Yeah, I pulled it up on IMDB and it shows it shows a still that's in black and white.
00:38:15
Russell Miller
I'm pretty sure it must be.
00:38:19
Andrew Sweatman
Well, there you go. This is just a kind of cinema discovery that I hope would happen on this segment of the podcast. Perfect. Yeah, I think I'm looking at it on the Google as well, and it does like it's black and white.
00:38:26
Russell Miller
Yeah. Yep. It's gotta be in black and white.
00:38:32
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, wow.
00:38:32
Russell Miller
Yep. Sure is.
00:38:33
Andrew Sweatman
Some striking imagery. It looks like lots of good close-ups in these just Google image search.
00:38:38
Russell Miller
Yep.
00:38:39
Andrew Sweatman
Looks like it's maybe also streaming on Criterion Channel for people who have the streaming service. I believe it is, yeah.
00:38:47
Russell Miller
Renter bar on Amazon and Prime.
00:38:50
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, there we go. You know, maybe one day we can, this would be actually a cool series. Like when it's, there's like a slow time, watch a couple of these from a box set and then talk through them.
00:39:00
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:39:01
Andrew Sweatman
There you go. And I think is a good place to end the segment. And now we are gonna take a short break. And when we come back, we will talk about 28 years later, the Bone Temple.
00:39:15
Andrew Sweatman
Okay, we're back. And let me make a quick note of something. And then, yeah, we're gonna get into our feature presentation, 28 years later, the Bone Temple.
00:39:28
Andrew Sweatman
I think first we're gonna talk a little bit about the series as a whole, and especially the previous film 28 years later. And we'll also want to note that we are going to have a spoiler free portion of this discussion and then a spoiler portion of this discussion, because the third act is a lot of what I want to talk about.
00:39:35
Russell Miller
Thank you.
00:39:48
Andrew Sweatman
The very end of this movie is very exciting to me. And so we'll talk about some of that stuff in the spoiler section. But listen ahead. If if you haven't seen it, you can still listen until we give a little spoiler warning in a minute.
00:40:02
Andrew Sweatman
But okay, so this is the... it's It's such a, it's a strange series now because it was never, I thought it would just be a trilogy, right? 28 days later, weeks later, and then years later, but then no years is going to be its own trilogy. So it's going to be 20 years later, 28 years later, the bone temple, and then presumably a third film.
00:40:23
Andrew Sweatman
which seems to be set up by the end of this film so now it's going to be series of five uh with the pre the end three being its own sort of trilogy very interesting and i think kind of unusual in i can't think of any other series that are set up quite this way but
00:40:43
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:40:44
Andrew Sweatman
I really like that they are doing these because I think initially a lot of horror movies get schlocky directed DVD sequels, right? and zip So you hear a lot of a horror series coming back or, you know, The Exorcist has how many sequels that are, how many sequels and then how many of them are worth watching.
00:41:04
Andrew Sweatman
You know, it's that sort of thing.
00:41:05
Russell Miller
yeah
00:41:05
Andrew Sweatman
But I think that I, far, I'm really enjoying what they're doing with this. For one thing, no one was clamoring for another 28 Days Later.
00:41:15
Andrew Sweatman
and it's like It's like a 20-year-old film series. it's not It doesn't feel like a cash grab. right there And really, Alex Garland is writing these and he's like,
00:41:27
Andrew Sweatman
doing some really interesting things, which we're going to talk about. But remind me your you have seen all of them, right?
00:41:36
Russell Miller
Yeah, it's been a long time since I've seen weeks. A long time.
00:41:41
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:41:42
Russell Miller
i watched Days not too long ago, probably within the last year or two. And just to kind of refresh, because I knew they were bringing the you know bringing the series, or bringing bring at least a new you know a new updated Danny Boyle and our Alex Garland were going in for at least another round.
00:41:56
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Yep.
00:42:04
Russell Miller
and so I watched, I put days in and probably about a year or so ago, maybe a year and a half. Uh, when I first heard about it, uh, about the, you know, they're making anyone, uh, but I didn't put weeks in So I can't remember that film very much.
00:42:22
Russell Miller
all I think pretty much everybody would agree. That's probably the weakest link of all the films.
00:42:28
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:42:31
Russell Miller
but uh but yeah and then i really enjoyed 28 years later from last summer and now the bone temple both top tier zombie apocalypse films whatever you want to refer to them as
00:42:47
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, you know that's interesting because you know I hear people say, oh they're not technically zombies. I mean, it's a zombie movie, right? But then actually in the Bone Temple, somebody uses the word zombie at a certain point.
00:42:57
Andrew Sweatman
it was like And I kind of didn't clock that the first time, but then I rewatched it and it's Jimmy.
00:42:59
Russell Miller
uh
00:43:03
Andrew Sweatman
Jimmy Crystal says all this zombie shite. It is happening now. And he uses the word zombie.
00:43:07
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:43:08
Andrew Sweatman
So thought that was interesting. So it's like, it's the rage virus and they're, you know, they're different than most zombies because they're fast and they, and in this latest one, it digs into like what is actually happening to them, which I think is a really interesting way to go with that.
00:43:16
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:43:21
Russell Miller
Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah.
00:43:23
Andrew Sweatman
But yeah, I love 28 days later. The first one has, I always say it's my favorite zombie movie. And it still is. I had watched it several times like like in high school college age and then didn't until like last year re-watched it and it was like this is my favorite one ever and and i was almost afraid to re-watch it what if i don't like it as much but i still loved it so so much then 28 weeks later, I think I've only seen once, but I was looking at the IMDb and I forgot the cast is really stacked. Actually. It's, it's got Jeremy Renner for one thing. Rose Byrne is like the the female lead in it.
00:44:03
Andrew Sweatman
Robert Carlyle, Harold Perrineau, who's from Lost. You recognize him from Lost. Idris Elba is in it.
00:44:09
Russell Miller
Garland didn't write that, did he?
00:44:09
Andrew Sweatman
And I don't think he did.
00:44:12
Russell Miller
Did Garland write Weeks?
00:44:14
Andrew Sweatman
No, he did not. Written by Rowan Joff, Juan Carlos Fresnadillo, and Enrique Lopez Levine.
00:44:16
Russell Miller
Okay, I was going to say, it seems like... Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:20
Andrew Sweatman
And, you know, of all, I was just talking about how horror movies often have cash grab sequels. Weeks kind of feels like that. It's maybe a little better than that.
00:44:27
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:44:28
Andrew Sweatman
But also, it has Imogen Poots in It it has Idris Elba. It has a crazy cast looking back. And so if if you haven't seen any of these, essentially what's so great about the first one is that, uh, Killian Murphy wakes up in a hospital in London and he, London is empty and abandoned.
00:44:49
Andrew Sweatman
And there's this really great sequence where he's walking around the city, like what is going on? And you find out that, you know,
00:44:53
Russell Miller
Yep. You think han Will Smith and I Am Legend just like kind of cruising around the streets of New York and it's just barren.
00:44:59
Andrew Sweatman
yeah. Yeah.
00:45:00
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:45:01
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:45:01
Russell Miller
Like same same concept of just like nobody. And he and he has no clue what happened.
00:45:05
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, he eventually finds it.
00:45:09
Russell Miller
He has no clue what's going on.
00:45:12
Andrew Sweatman
And, you know, puts it together eventually that there's a virus that's killed most people, people have evacuated, et cetera, et cetera. Naomi Harris is the sort of one of the other survivors that's sort of the second lead, female lead, I guess.
00:45:26
Andrew Sweatman
And it also has Brendan Gleeson in it, who's so great.
00:45:31
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:45:32
Andrew Sweatman
And I think one of the things I like about the first one is that it and obviously is a great, scary movie, but it also has so much humanity in it. Like there's this sort of found family situation that happens in the middle of it. And it's it's like, it's really lovely. And like, there's just, there's like warm fuzzies in the middle of this. And then,
00:45:49
Andrew Sweatman
So it's like, oh, but there's something we want to protect. And then, you know, there ends up being, as in a lot of horror movies, it's like, the and like The Walking Dead, like the whole thing is like the people to actually be afraid of are not the zombies, it's the other humans.
00:45:54
Russell Miller
And slowly fall apart. Yeah.
00:46:03
Andrew Sweatman
And like, you know, that kind of is the same situation there.
00:46:04
Russell Miller
It's getting out.
00:46:06
Andrew Sweatman
And then and we won't have to talk about the end of that, I guess. But then in 28 weeks later, basically the idea is that the island of Britain has been quarantined.
00:46:16
Andrew Sweatman
I think at the end of 28 weeks later, it spreads beyond England. Like it ends with, oh, the virus has exited England.
00:46:26
Andrew Sweatman
But then at the beginning of 28 years later, it retcons that entirely and just go, they've contained it back to Britain.
00:46:27
Russell Miller
know
00:46:32
Andrew Sweatman
I think that we're just going to keep the idea that it's just on this island, which is important for what they're doing with these last two movies.
00:46:34
Russell Miller
Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:39
Andrew Sweatman
So yeah, let's talk about 28 years later, which came out last year. I was completely surprised by this movie. I, rewatch some portions of it because it does tie really directly into this one.
00:46:54
Andrew Sweatman
But essentially it follows a young boy named Spike. There's like a, so it's been 28 years since the virus, you know, decimated everything. And so what's so interesting about these, I think is like, what what would society look like if it's like just a few survivors amongst this? And like how 28 years later, how are they coping and living? And and I think the two movies, the first one and then the Bone Temple,
00:47:19
Andrew Sweatman
go in some different directions with what people are doing but like the first one is this uh sort of coming of age story for spike and he uh doesn't have a great relationship with his father but uh there's is like an island that there's like a causeway or like i can't remember the word for it but like it's when the tide's high you can't get to the island but then when it's low you can walk across so that's how they've been safe from the zombies and There's a whole situation with his mother who's very ill and he wants to go find this supposed doctor, this mysterious doctor played by Ralph Fiennes.
00:47:52
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:47:54
Andrew Sweatman
And we don't need to spoil that movie. I don't think for this discussion, maybe when we get into spoilers for the bone temple, we can then talk about spoilers for this too, but it goes.
00:48:01
Russell Miller
Okay. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, because
00:48:04
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:48:05
Russell Miller
I was going to say one of the themes, one of the things that like is really fascinating about this, this pair of films are the, the themes that, that Garland is interested in discussing via the lens of a zombie film, like a zombie film or an apocalypse film.
00:48:05
Andrew Sweatman
Okay.
00:48:17
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:48:20
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
00:48:23
Russell Miller
And those are, those are really what like make the film so interesting. You know, other than just like a, you know,
00:48:34
Russell Miller
zombies chasing people around just ripping them apart and blood and guts everywhere which is you know it's fine like that that's you know zombie movies you know if if that's if that's your thing there's definitely some some action sequences in both films you'll get a little of your you know blood and gore but uh
00:48:55
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:56
Russell Miller
But also like some some different aspects of those films that are that that Alex Garland is interested in and having some discussions about some interesting themes.
00:49:06
Russell Miller
And he uses the... the zombie apocalypse is like a framing device and digs into some really interesting stuff in both of those films that, yeah, I guess once we get into the spoilers, we can kind of crack them open a little bit because that's that's really where the meat of these films is, you know, some really fascinating stuff going on.
00:49:28
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:49:31
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. And I think that maybe that's a good point to to move on into this latest film, 28 years later, at The Bone Temple. Right off the bat, there's something that's a little surprising about it is that Spike was very much the protagonist, this 12-year-old boy, of the previous film.
00:49:48
Andrew Sweatman
But he's really a supporting character in this.
00:49:49
Russell Miller
First one, yeah.
00:49:50
Andrew Sweatman
And Ralph Fiennes is very much the lead.
00:49:52
Russell Miller
Yep.
00:49:53
Andrew Sweatman
It's like his movie.
00:49:54
Russell Miller
Yeah, he takes center stage.
00:49:54
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:49:56
Russell Miller
And Fiennes was good in the first film, I mean, but he's just not in that much of it.
00:49:56
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:50:02
Russell Miller
Whereas he really gets center stage and really...
00:50:02
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:50:06
Russell Miller
He is just like legitimately great.
00:50:06
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:50:09
Russell Miller
with like You got to watch it again. You got to watch it for a second time just the other day.
00:50:13
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:50:15
Russell Miller
And Fiennes is doing some so pretty wild work. But yeah, he is he is pretty awesome.
00:50:19
Andrew Sweatman
Absolutely. Yeah.
00:50:21
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:50:22
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, gets this movie gets crazy. And, you know, he's he's so interesting because you see him in something like Conclave and he's like this very prim and proper sort of gentleman. Right. But of course, we've seen him be Voldemort before, too.
00:50:32
Russell Miller
yeah
00:50:34
Andrew Sweatman
Like he he can do the sort of crazy stuff. and But this is really out there with what he where this goes in the end, which, i again, we won't spoil.
00:50:41
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:50:43
Andrew Sweatman
But yeah.
00:50:43
Russell Miller
Yeah. we
00:50:44
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. But sort of the basic setup, I guess, is that we we can we meet him in the previous film and he has created this bone temple. And we learned that he's a doctor and that he he calls it an ossuary, which is like, you know, catacombs is an ossuary.
00:50:58
Russell Miller
Yeah. It's it's like good honoring, honoring, yeah, honoring the deceased.
00:51:00
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:51:04
Russell Miller
Because obviously it's a zombie apocalypse. A lot of people have either gotten the virus or have just outright like been killed and you know and so he i guess without spoilt yeah like so so basically finds character without treading into the spoiler and you probably see it from some of the imagery either in the posters or in the you know the trailers uh that he has created what is like a bone temple where he has a way of
00:51:11
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:51:25
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah,
00:51:36
Russell Miller
taking human remains and like steam cleaning them basically he has like some sort of a machine like like a big metal container and he's able to like remove the flesh and so he's created this what you call you know this is like a sanctuary or a memorial
00:51:45
Andrew Sweatman
yeah like
00:51:55
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:51:56
Russell Miller
for like all the people that have passed away, right?
00:51:56
Andrew Sweatman
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:52:00
Russell Miller
And and he's he's got these massive, like, you know I don't know how tall they are, 40, 50 feet tall, like structures of of just human bones that he's that he's erected you know as as a remembrance for this event.
00:52:20
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, and it's I think it's it's it works great as, first of all, like a setting in a horror movie because it's so creepy looking.
00:52:26
Russell Miller
The production design is incredible.
00:52:28
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, it's really great. And there's so many great shots in this movie of the temple itself and like time-lapse images and stuff that I really loved.
00:52:35
Russell Miller
Moving through these huge columns of bones makes for some really kind of gripping shots as as the film kind of explores this this you this set piece that they've created for Fien's character.
00:52:35
Andrew Sweatman
But it's, yeah, just like walking between them.
00:52:45
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:52:51
Andrew Sweatman
yeah and it's also this way it's like you you learn this about him really in the first one but then as this and goes on that he's doing this as a way like honestly it's honoring the dead and like this event that's happened and also like he does not differentiate between an infected person and and a non-infected person right in his temple like any corpses that he finds he will add them to his temple and it's it's this it ends up being this really kind of
00:53:11
Russell Miller
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:53:20
Andrew Sweatman
this virtuous thing about him that he is like, these are still humans and like wants to honor, honor everyone equally.
00:53:22
Russell Miller
yeah
00:53:27
Andrew Sweatman
And that really plays into this as, we're getting, we don't get into spoilers, but like what this movie sets up first of all, is he is there in his bone temple and he's maybe getting a little,
00:53:39
Andrew Sweatman
well, after the events of the last film, I don't know, he seems like he's maybe getting a little bored with it or something. we'll talk I want to talk about the music later because that plays into this too.
00:53:48
Andrew Sweatman
But he becomes friends with an alpha zombie, an alpha, they're called the alphas in this, which I didn't realize the alphas are not around until years later, i think the first years later movie.
00:54:00
Russell Miller
Yeah, wouldn't say I wouldn't say friends.
00:54:03
Andrew Sweatman
Right. Well, it's like, kind of, right?
00:54:06
Russell Miller
Yeah, like like theyve they've they've established like, a yeah, I mean, like a they've they've established cause because there is no communication that's verbal because these, i yeah, okay.
00:54:06
Andrew Sweatman
That's what's so interesting about it.
00:54:15
Andrew Sweatman
Right. Yeah.
00:54:20
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. What we can say about the beginning of this is that he has these like morphine darts that he shoots at the the infected.
00:54:20
Russell Miller
I won't say anything else about that.
00:54:23
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:54:26
Russell Miller
That's right. And.
00:54:28
Andrew Sweatman
So that to protect himself, he also covers his skin in iodine. So he looks like he's orange and red. But basically this alpha name that he's named Samson, which Samson's also in the the previous film, that he realizes that Samson enjoys being shot with his morphine and is like using it sort of recreationally.
00:54:33
Russell Miller
Yep.
00:54:44
Russell Miller
Yeah. And basically it's kind of like getting, getting accustomed to the the hot, you know, the, the chill factor of the drug, right?
00:54:46
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:54:54
Russell Miller
Like, so the the morphine like calms him down and he's able to like talk to him, even though the the zombie or the, you know, the the alpha zombie, whatever doesn't communicate back to him.
00:55:07
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:55:07
Russell Miller
he seems to just kind of like grow accustomed to his presence and while he's kind of in a tranquilized state, he's obviously not asleep, but he's just, you know, he's, he's not in zombie mode where he's just like attacking and whipping because it does depict him earlier in the film is like, just like ripping some guy's like head and spine out.
00:55:16
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:55:24
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:55:33
Andrew Sweatman
Spinal column out. Yeah, so gruesome.
00:55:34
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:55:35
Andrew Sweatman
So yeah, as as like light as this movie is on zombie action, when it's there, it's it hits, you know, it's that's a really gruesome scene.
00:55:36
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:55:43
Andrew Sweatman
But yeah, it's a really interesting setup.
00:55:44
Russell Miller
Those full tilt.
00:55:45
Andrew Sweatman
And so like, yeah, so Ralph Fiennes is talking to him, talking at him, like how much of this? Do you understand anything that I'm saying? Like all of that kind of thing. But it sets up an interesting thing.
00:55:52
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:55:53
Andrew Sweatman
And then that goes an interesting direction. But then at the same time, we have this character, Jimmy, who is introduced to the very, really the very beginning of the first bone, the the the first years later movie.
00:56:05
Andrew Sweatman
I'd forgotten how that works, but the previous film opens with a young boy being a like his family dying and he's he's the survivor and but like in a very unusual way that ends up playing into this film.
00:56:19
Andrew Sweatman
But that's Jimmy. And then we we see him adult Jimmy at the very end of the previous film. And and he's like a a major character here. And he essentially is a cult leader. He is, he he has a very particular look. He has this blonde hair, all these gold chains.
00:56:38
Andrew Sweatman
And then he has in his tracksuit and his followers all wear the same thing and they' have a blonde wig.
00:56:38
Russell Miller
This wear different colored tracksuits.
00:56:45
Andrew Sweatman
And they're also all named Jimmy, which sounds so odd and it is so odd, but. Yeah. And then we kind of learned that he has this whole philosophy of this apparently apparently like this cult that he's running.
00:56:59
Andrew Sweatman
And, you know, it's funny. he he talks about old Nick as the person that he's worshiping, like the God that he's worshiping. And I was like, that sounds familiar. And but I didn't realize until later in the film.
00:57:10
Russell Miller
doesn't say it doesn't doesn't You don't really kind of get a full understanding of that character and his motivations until probably somewhere in the second act where you realize, okay, this what this guy is up to.
00:57:11
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:57:18
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:57:21
Andrew Sweatman
Mm
00:57:24
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. And I think we can talk a little bit about that without spoiling stuff. But like he so he has like an upside down cross, which I realized is he he recounts the story of his his father's death.
00:57:31
Russell Miller
Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:35
Andrew Sweatman
And his father was the pastor, the minister at the church in their town. And that's the scene we see at the beginning of the previous film is Jimmy's a boy and his father thinks that the zombies coming is like, this is the end times.
00:57:40
Russell Miller
The
00:57:49
Andrew Sweatman
So he's like, he's cheering it on.
00:57:51
Russell Miller
end of the world, the end.
00:57:51
Andrew Sweatman
He's like, this is great. And so then Jimmy thinks that his father is, connected to this and he keeps using the phrase old nick and i i was like this sounds familiar and i looked it up afterwards that is a common historically in england old nick is a common phrase for like for satan and it's an interesting thing i think the etymology is somehow connected to saint nick because old saint nick is really common satan and santa somehow that those wires are crossed a at a
00:58:13
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:58:17
Andrew Sweatman
the etymology etymologically or whatever but so like that he's sw worshiping satan but that's not initially clear but you kind of gradually get a picture of him he has this whole system yeah
00:58:28
Russell Miller
Yeah, once you move into the second act, some stuff happens without getting any further into spoilers that you understand this character's motivations in relation to his beliefs and like what he is interested in and capable of doing.
00:58:33
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
00:58:47
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:58:47
Russell Miller
you know as he's running this kind of like band of what maybe like six to eight uh other young jimmies some them are real young you know like probably mid teens to you know like and then there's like some you a few boys a few girls you know that are anywhere from like
00:58:55
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Yeah.
00:59:09
Russell Miller
early to mid-teens to like, you know, 20s. And he just kind of runs this gang, basically, and they travel around doing things.
00:59:13
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
00:59:18
Andrew Sweatman
terrorizing people by the way yeah yeah yeah absolutely brutalizing people and it's interesting because so so the the film opens with spike as sort of like his initiation ritual is like a fight to the death with one of the other jimmies and
00:59:20
Russell Miller
Yeah, doing doing certain things, activities. Yeah.
00:59:36
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:59:37
Andrew Sweatman
And so when you see them first, in the end of the previous film, when you first see them, they see, oh, they they protect him. Like they seem like, oh, these are really capable zombie fighting people. And he's gonna like be protected by them.
00:59:47
Russell Miller
Yeah. Yeah.
00:59:49
Andrew Sweatman
But then you quickly realize, oh, they're really sinister. And now he's sort of forced to join their ranks, whether he wants to or not. But really, Jimmy, Crystal, and Ralph Fiennes become the the the two leads here. And when they end up meeting, that's when things get really interesting. We should probably save that for spoilers. There's a couple other spoiler-free things I want to talk about.
01:00:10
Andrew Sweatman
First of all, just there's a lot going on with like religious iconography. And actually, most of that is spoilery. So maybe I won't get into that just yet. But like obviously,
01:00:19
Russell Miller
I was going to say, one of the one of the big themes that the Garland wants to focus on in this film is, yeah, that that aspect of Ray Fiennes' character and his beliefs versus, you know, the the Jimmy, yeah, the Jimmy character's belief system.
01:00:23
Andrew Sweatman
yeah.
01:00:28
Andrew Sweatman
yeah but
01:00:34
Andrew Sweatman
where's jimmy's yeah a couple things about jimmy first of all just like one of the most interesting scenes in the previous film is when there's a i think he's swedish he's like one of the quarantine boats and he gets he's stranded on the island and then he's just like okay now i'm in the quarantine zone i can't leave i'm doomed But he has a cell phone and and Spike has never seen a cell phone before.
01:00:39
Russell Miller
Really fascinating stuff.
01:01:01
Andrew Sweatman
And so just the idea that like they're so isolated from technology, from the internet and everything. And so then in this film, it's like, oh, if you you meet this guy with a really strong personality and there's no organized religion,
01:01:13
Andrew Sweatman
you might be much more susceptible to a cult if you're that cut off from the world and you're you know in danger constantly and he offers some sort of protection it's like it's sort of a cult a microcosm of what cults do in the real world which i thought that was just a smart way yeah
01:01:23
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:01:26
Russell Miller
Yeah. Or like a gang, like join a gang for protection just because you've got people that are around you that are capable of
01:01:35
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
01:01:35
Russell Miller
fighting off you your enemies, you know, or like safety in numbers type of a deal.
01:01:43
Andrew Sweatman
Absolutely, yeah. Another interesting thing about Jimmy's character is that, and I think I sent you the article where I learned all of this, but like he's based on a real life figure, a guy named Jimmy Saville, who was British.
01:01:54
Andrew Sweatman
He had a very similar look.
01:01:55
Russell Miller
Oh, interesting.
01:01:56
Andrew Sweatman
He had a track suit, he had gold chains, blonde hair.
01:01:59
Russell Miller
Really?
01:02:00
Andrew Sweatman
And he was seen as this benevolent figure.
01:02:00
Russell Miller
Oh, interesting. don't know.
01:02:04
Andrew Sweatman
But after he died, it came out that he was sexually abusing people left and right his whole life. And so he he's kind of like a Bill Cosby character figure almost.
01:02:09
Russell Miller
Oh, wow.
01:02:12
Andrew Sweatman
And so I was like, it's having this gang that's based on him.
01:02:12
Russell Miller
Yeah, yeah.
01:02:15
Andrew Sweatman
So like British people we' will recognize that, I think, watching this movie where most Americans won't.
01:02:19
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:02:21
Andrew Sweatman
because saying a thing it was like please don't dress up like jimmy for halloween he's actually really problematic like it works great for this horror movie but you shouldn't dress like jimmy but yeah it's almost like if we had like a gang that was like wearing cosby sweaters or something like and like they're like there's some somehow echoes of this really nefarious real life person and the in the article that i read this about they talked about like basing it on him as sort of like
01:02:26
Russell Miller
Yes.
01:02:29
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:02:41
Russell Miller
Yeah. Yeah.
01:02:46
Andrew Sweatman
if if the, based on when the zombie apocalypse happened in this timeline, Jimmy Seville would have been a still seen in a good light and like he's still alive at that time. And so people didn't know all the stuff about him. So anyway, i just think it's really interesting that you could have a religion almost that is, has echoes of people from the real world and, or from pre-zombie society, echoes of Christianity, but be it really its own sort of thing. I think that's a really fascinating way to take this story into sort of religious territory.
01:03:22
Andrew Sweatman
We'll talk more about spoilers in a minute.
01:03:22
Russell Miller
For sure. yeah.
01:03:23
Andrew Sweatman
But then one other thing I want to say before we get into spoilers, and if you have anything else, feel free. But I want to talk about the music of this movie because there's a lot of storytelling, I think, that goes on musically.
01:03:36
Andrew Sweatman
And first of all, music's always been a big part of these movies. 28 days later, days later kind of famously has a song that was really hard to get the rights to it's called East Hastings by a band called Godspeed you black emperors and it's the sequence when he's in empty London and it's this really creepy sort of slowly building rock song and this band famously doesn't do anything commercial but Danny Boyle like met with them and convinced them that he could use it and it's like such a memorable part of the film
01:04:13
Andrew Sweatman
And then the end sequence also has a similar piece that is just part of the score, but it has a really, it's called the in the house in a heartbeat. And it's just part of the score by John Murphy of that film, but a really memorable sort of slowly building kind of progressive rock thing going on.
01:04:22
Russell Miller
Thank you.
01:04:29
Andrew Sweatman
So great music in that one. I forgot that that song East Hastings is in 28 years later, the previous film, until I rewatched part of it, but it plays over the end of the movie, like the last, before right before he meets Jimmy.
01:04:45
Andrew Sweatman
But anyway, love all that. 28 years later also has, it's it's interesting how like these, he'll focus on these bands, Danny Boyle used, in the previous film, a band called Young Fathers. And it's not move music you hear and think this should go in a zombie movie, but it works. And it's like this just kind of bizarre punk music.
01:05:07
Andrew Sweatman
Anyway, getting to this movie, Ralph Fiennes has a record player and he plays records in his his little bunker underneath the Bone Temple. And he starts playing... i didn't realize until the second time I watched it.
01:05:21
Andrew Sweatman
But when he is... part of the first film is that there's a is a pregnant zombie.
01:05:23
Russell Miller
Thank you.
01:05:27
Andrew Sweatman
And at the beginning of this one, we see him collecting her body and making her part of the, the ossuary, the bone temple. But as he's pulling her, he's singing a song to himself.
01:05:39
Andrew Sweatman
And I didn't realize it's the song girls on film by Duran Duran, which in a couple scenes later, he plays the record of that. And it does a really interesting thing where it kind of focuses on his face as a particular lyric is playing, which is the lyric, she wonders to herself, how did I ever get here?
01:05:58
Andrew Sweatman
Or something along those lines. And we're seeing the images of his former life with apparently his wife. And like so it really gives you the sense of like how how did I ever get to this this point in my life?
01:06:08
Andrew Sweatman
like How bizarre?
01:06:09
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:06:10
Andrew Sweatman
and then it's also has a sense that like that he again he's kind of feeling bored with life or whatever he doesn't have a lot of direction maybe he's been doing this for a while apparently has so many bones anyway so i liked that touch and then there's another duran duran song and i was like this is gonna be a duran duran movie actually two more it plays rio he sings rio and it plays a little bit of it but then it plays ordinary world
01:06:22
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:06:29
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:06:33
Russell Miller
yeah
01:06:34
Andrew Sweatman
and which is just a beautiful song and perfect for this, this movie.
01:06:37
Russell Miller
Oh,
01:06:39
Andrew Sweatman
And like the lyrics of that song are like, searching for the ordinary world as I'm searching, i will learn to survive. was like, how, how perfect is that for a zombie story? Anyway, so there's that.
01:06:49
Russell Miller
yeah. Yeah. At least the one that Garland wants to talk about.
01:06:54
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, exactly.
01:06:55
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:06:57
Andrew Sweatman
And then towards the end of the movie, he's having he's having a sort of a breakthrough, which I won't spoil, but the music of it is important that it plays Radiohead, everything in its right place.
01:07:10
Andrew Sweatman
which is a song I love anyway.
01:07:10
Russell Miller
Mm-hmm.
01:07:11
Andrew Sweatman
And it's it has sort of an eerie feeling too. And we get a great shot of the Bone Temple like at dusk and it's like the blue sky and it's playing that in time-lapse. It was really cool. But then that song, the lyrics of that song are sort of about like everything in its right place.
01:07:26
Andrew Sweatman
It's like weirdly hopeful that like maybe this was all supposed to happen, sort of, or or something like that. And it's like at a point in the story where Ralph finds is like, maybe he feels like he's finding his purpose.
01:07:39
Andrew Sweatman
or in all of this a little bit again without spoiling it but anyway just love the music of this i think nia da costa just killed it if the with the direction on that front and and visually yeah
01:07:41
Russell Miller
Yeah,
01:07:50
Russell Miller
yeah i mean... I haven't seen any, the only the only film of DaCosta's that I've seen, because she's she's directed a few films. She did Hedda, which I was really curious to see from from last year.
01:08:04
Andrew Sweatman
yeah didn't see it either
01:08:06
Russell Miller
That was one of the movies that I wanted to to to check out, because I heard good things about it. But I haven't, my only previous affiliation with her was Candyman, which the updated version from the old 90s film that I really wasn't like that impressed with.
01:08:17
Andrew Sweatman
Same. Yeah.
01:08:26
Russell Miller
And I never got to see the Marvels. So yeah, like i didn't I didn't expect anything, you know, to really kind of like blow me away with bone temple.
01:08:38
Russell Miller
But yeah, I, I, I couldn't believe what, I mean, and you know, so, so obviously i think that the reason that these films are, are finding success, at least in, in my estimation of what makes a film really good or great even is, is the things that Garland feels like,
01:08:40
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
01:08:59
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Yeah.
01:09:03
Russell Miller
inclined to talk about. and so, like, these films, don't want to say they lean heavy on the screenplay, but what makes them, you know, pretty fascinating to me is is the work that Garland has put into the scripts.
01:09:17
Russell Miller
Danny Boyle is obviously a great director, and DaCosta finds, you know, some some interesting ways to approach the story. But I think, yeah, these these movies lean pretty hard on...
01:09:33
Russell Miller
on Garland and the stories that he's interesting in deriving from this, you know, this apocalypse zombie world that he's, you know, creating and and and continuing to write more about.
01:09:34
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:09:47
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. I think I agree with you to a point. they're Like, yeah, the meat of this is probably the writing. But I also think... I don't know like Danny Boyle as a director is kind of interesting because he feels old school in a way, but also, i don't know, like the editing of 28 years later that he directed is so odd in places. i don't know. It just... It feels...
01:10:08
Andrew Sweatman
if he feels like a Danny Boyle movie. And he's a director. I have seen most of his films.
01:10:12
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:10:14
Andrew Sweatman
Whereas Nia DaCosta, I'll say the one thing that I, I liked the Candyman movie a little bit more than you did.
01:10:14
Russell Miller
Yes.
01:10:19
Andrew Sweatman
I, it sounds like I don't remember much about it, honestly, but I do remember some of the visuals and I think that she does have a good eye for her visuals.
01:10:26
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:10:27
Andrew Sweatman
And I think that it's like, especially like sort of the in sequence in the bone temple,
01:10:28
Russell Miller
Yes. Yeah.
01:10:33
Andrew Sweatman
like that was one thing on the page, but she had to do a lot of work to make that work on the screen, I think. So I, I want to give her some props for that first year.
01:10:38
Russell Miller
yeah Yeah, I won't discredit to the the the cinematic language that she's interested in speaking.
01:10:45
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:10:46
Russell Miller
I would be interested in if she... if she had any work in adapting the script for candy man. Now that was wow.
01:10:57
Russell Miller
Jordan Peele worked on the script for candy man.
01:11:00
Andrew Sweatman
I think I remember that was a Jordan Pugh thing.
01:11:00
Russell Miller
I thought that I heard he was like a producer or something, but he was one of the, Oh
01:11:02
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
Director Styles and Film Symbolism
01:11:05
Russell Miller
yeah.
01:11:06
Russell Miller
Yeah. DaCosta was, was credited does have writing credits for candy man.
01:11:06
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, she's on Disney and the Costa, yeah.
01:11:11
Andrew Sweatman
What I just noticed on her IMDb too, she did a short of Candyman before that.
01:11:11
Russell Miller
So Peele. Yeah.
01:11:15
Andrew Sweatman
I wonder if she directed like a short, almost like proof of concept or something. Oh, it's the animated trailer for the film.
01:11:20
Russell Miller
Interesting.
01:11:22
Andrew Sweatman
it's So one of the things in the Candyman remake is that, or you know reboot, whatever it is, there's a lot of this like silhouette animation stuff. And it looks like this short that's listed on IMDb is just like a teaser that uses a bunch of that animation, which is another thing I'd forgotten about that, but it's got some visually striking stuff in there too.
01:11:42
Andrew Sweatman
And all the stuff that has to do with like race and the police and stuff, that which the original Candyman did too. Anyway, I'm a fan of Candyman.
01:11:50
Russell Miller
Oh, okay.
01:11:51
Andrew Sweatman
But yeah, I like it better,
01:11:52
Russell Miller
was going to say, you talked about the original. You like the original. I haven't seen that one, but you definitely said that you, i was going to say, you you said yeah the the new one is definitely not as as good as the original.
01:12:05
Andrew Sweatman
that is true.
01:12:07
Andrew Sweatman
But I do appreciate Nia DaCosta's work on it.
01:12:07
Russell Miller
Yeah, okay.
01:12:08
Russell Miller
Okay.
01:12:11
Andrew Sweatman
And I think she did a great job with this. And it just, it feels in a way more traditionally directed. I don't know. Based on that's a weird thing to say and maybe not accurate, but like Danny Boyle's, sometimes his editing is so frenetic and it like, it just feels, I don't know.
01:12:18
Russell Miller
Okay.
01:12:28
Andrew Sweatman
It feels like he's a little more out there with some of his directing choices. He's a genius and I think they work, but like this feels a little more traditional what you'd expect.
01:12:36
Russell Miller
It depends on like the source material too. like
01:12:39
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:12:39
Russell Miller
Like you know the editing for and Slumdog Millionaire, for instance, is is really... you know It's propulsive and it's got a great energy to it.
01:12:51
Russell Miller
and so yeah yeah i you know you know Depending on what material he's got to work with and how he...
01:12:51
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:13:00
Russell Miller
works his style of filmmaking and editing into that. know, some work obviously better than others.
01:13:09
Andrew Sweatman
Yes, yes. Well, I was just looking over my notes to see if I had anything else non-spoilery to talk about. oh I just had a note here that like on, so like the, and that song of the ordinary world uh the end of it is i will learn to survive and at one point it like it edits the music to where it really draws that out to like draw attention to that so i think it is intentional sometimes i feel like i'm being crazy like digging into the lyrics of songs but i think it is intentional let's see religion etc etc
01:13:30
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:13:35
Russell Miller
Oh, for sure.
01:13:41
Andrew Sweatman
yeah i think most of this is gonna be spoilery stuff oh this is interesting thing and i've forgotten so like one thing and i'm not just saying this to be crass or whatever but it's it's actually interesting is that in this world often the zombies because they're just people right like all zombies are but they're just a lot of them are naked and there's just like naked men and women running around in this and like they're dirty ri some of them have clothes or whatever but the character samson that we see
01:14:06
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:14:12
Andrew Sweatman
often super naked right and there's a full frontal nudity but what and i forgot this until the second time i watched it but like after we first see samson we see him in all his glory right then we see ray fines in his little bunker and he takes his clothes off and we see him full front and i was like what's the point of that but i think it is important because it's another way to say like these these are the same like these are humans that are sick in some way and he has this like he he's taking his Hippocratic oath to an extreme of what can I do for these, these infected people.
01:14:15
Russell Miller
Button naked.
01:14:18
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:14:30
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:14:39
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:14:47
Andrew Sweatman
And then when I rewatched parts of 28 Days Later, earlier today, realized it also opens with Killian Murphy full frontal, naked in a bed, in a hospital bed. And so I think it is like just how vulnerable humans are.
01:15:00
Andrew Sweatman
And like, its I think that sometimes you people talk about nudity being gratuitous, but I think it's actually important and in in these films. So anyway, I thought that was interesting.
01:15:09
Russell Miller
Yeah, the context is certainly, yeah i mean, in the context of the of the film, it's not, you know, obviously, like, because it isn't, like, exploitatively, like, displaying this, but it's just kind of, like, the the... I don't want to say, like, a natural state, but certainly for the zombies, like, they don't care. Like, that is... They've reverted to, like, a a primal state of existence. Like, you know...
01:15:40
Russell Miller
without getting well we're going to get into some religious stuff here. But you think Adam and Eve, right? You think of Adam and Eve, and like, that, that idea of like, early human existence where, you know, at best, you've just got like some some cloths or whatever, you know, you're, you're unless you're like in severe weather,
01:15:46
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, yeah,
01:16:00
Andrew Sweatman
Right. Mm-hmm.
01:16:05
Russell Miller
what you're wearing, like your attire, you're not, you're not concerned with your concern with how am I going to eat? What am I going to eat next? You know, like I need to use the bathroom.
01:16:17
Russell Miller
I need to have shelter and I need to reproduce. Like those are the only things that are working at a primal level in all animals lives, right?
01:16:29
Russell Miller
Like eat, sleep, you know, and, and make, make,
01:16:30
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:16:35
Russell Miller
babies and so i think some of that is obviously like incorporated into that that concept of the way that the zombies are depicted like that's just not on their to-do list make make a tire for myself you know but but also bringing in the ray fines character of these These are all just humans. And in that way, the the film shows the Ralph Fiennes character, which, what what's his name in the film?
01:17:07
Russell Miller
I'm trying to remember off the top of him.
01:17:07
Andrew Sweatman
Dr. Ian something.
01:17:10
Russell Miller
Ian. That's right, yeah, Dr. dr Ian. he what he He treats them as equals, like, again, in in the construction...
01:17:21
Russell Miller
of his, of the Bone Temple. But in the way that he approaches human and zombie life, like he treats them on the same plane. And the movie does the same thing. Like, DaCosta does the same thing with the way that they are represented.
01:17:41
Russell Miller
Like, she tries to kind of give that balance of like, these, even though they're mindless creatures, these were humans at one point. These were actual people and well we're going to get into the the spoiler section of of what fines does and his interactions with these zombies in just a second so i'll shut up
01:18:02
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, no, i think I think that's great. And let's let's go ahead and
Spoiler Discussions and Character Deep Dives
01:18:05
Andrew Sweatman
do that. Let's let's take a short break.
01:18:06
Russell Miller
trans him
01:18:07
Andrew Sweatman
we're gonna take a short break. And when we get back, we are going to talk about spoilers. So if you have not watched it, this is a good time to tune out. So after this ad break, we're going spoilers.
01:18:15
Russell Miller
go check the movie out and then come back
01:18:17
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. All right.
01:18:20
Andrew Sweatman
Okay, we are back. And one more time, we are going to talk spoilers now for 28 years later, the bone temple. So if you haven't watched it, turn off the podcast and go watch it. Okay, yeah, go ahead and say you were on a roll there, but stopped yourself. Go keep going.
01:18:37
Russell Miller
Yeah, so so basically, like, yeah, the Fiennes character, he gets into what we alluded to earlier, like, almost like a peaceful coexistence, probably it would be a better way to frame it more than like a friendship, because he he doesn't communicate, like, he he speaks to this alpha male zombie, like,
01:18:37
Andrew Sweatman
Or do you remember?
01:18:52
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:18:54
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
01:19:05
Russell Miller
whatever you want to call it, that the Samson character that has grown accustomed to him and will go to him for like these, like like he uses a b blow dart and and shoots the Samson character with, I guess, what's morphine.
01:19:25
Russell Miller
I think he says he has morphine.
01:19:26
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Yeah.
01:19:27
Russell Miller
But as the film...
01:19:27
Andrew Sweatman
He says later, it's like a mixture of morphine and whatever else, some other things, but yeah.
01:19:30
Russell Miller
Yep. But he has a limited amount of it. He's scoured the countryside for like 10 miles and he's gotten all that he can get.
01:19:34
Andrew Sweatman
Mm-hmm.
01:19:38
Russell Miller
And so he has a limited amount of it. But so basically Samson has been coming to him for like these drugs and, and And they really calm him down.
01:19:50
Russell Miller
And so the Fiennes character will will speak to him and interact like you know like he's talking to him like he would a friend. Eventually, after some amount of their sessions together, they even have a dance like session, or where at least where Fiennes is dancing.
01:20:05
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
01:20:10
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
01:20:11
Russell Miller
But, you know, slowly as their relationship kind of evolves, finds, explains to him, and he doesn't know if Samson is understanding any of it, hey, I'm going to run out of this.
01:20:26
Russell Miller
And so our sessions are going to either end by you killing me or, you know, this, this,
01:20:26
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
01:20:35
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:20:36
Russell Miller
you know, you won't be able to keep coming back to me for this hit. and And so that was, you know, but but because he's kind of prodding the Samson character, like,
01:20:50
Russell Miller
asking him and talking to him intelligently because he's really trying to decipher if there's anything going on behind the eyes of this creature that has been infected and that has, you know, just like murdered countless humans, you know, like, can I break through? Can I get through to him?
01:21:11
Russell Miller
And he uses at some point towards the end of their relationship, he uses some sort of cocktail that he has theorized may help to start sparking the mind of this creature slash human, you know, like in hopes that he will be able to wake him up from this infection.
01:21:25
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:21:38
Russell Miller
Right. So that's, that's, that's kind of woven into the end plot of the film. Yeah.
01:21:44
Andrew Sweatman
yeah Yeah, and I love that. So what I was saying earlier about he's maybe felt like he's found his purpose is like, can he actually, he felt like he has a breakthrough.
01:21:51
Russell Miller
Cure, cure the disease or cure the infection.
01:21:52
Andrew Sweatman
Can he actually cure this? Yeah. And so first of all, I love the early on he says, first he talks about why he named him Samson and all that. And then he says how,
01:22:02
Russell Miller
More religious reference.
01:22:03
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. How amazing would it be to hear you speak a single word? And I was like, oh, I thought he's going to do it later.
01:22:07
Russell Miller
Yes.
01:22:09
Andrew Sweatman
And then it's in that scene where he's explaining that the drugs are going to be gone soon.
01:22:10
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:22:13
Andrew Sweatman
And he's like, so and he actually is like, is there any way you can consent to basically euthanizing you another kind of piece?
01:22:20
Russell Miller
Yes.
01:22:21
Andrew Sweatman
And he has he's like the needles about to go in and he says moon And such a great moment. He's just like high as a kite staring at the moon. and He says the word moon.
01:22:29
Russell Miller
Yep.
01:22:30
Andrew Sweatman
And then that's when he's like, oh, and now I can maybe formulate a plan. Another thing I didn't realize until the second time I watched it, he talks about, you know, you must be seeing something that's not there to it.
01:22:41
Andrew Sweatman
Like I've seen that the infected attack a baby. Obviously a baby's not really dangerous.
01:22:45
Russell Miller
Yep.
01:22:46
Andrew Sweatman
You must be seeing something that's not there. That's psychosis. I can try to treat psychosis. And in the in the very beginning of that scene when he rips out the, guy's spinal cord it shows his perspective of that guy and he has like a scary monster face so it shows a moment of that psychosis and I'd forgotten I didn't realize that but like he does he's singing there's also a lot of cool shots where it's like like camera lock whatever it is on his face but it's
01:22:50
Russell Miller
That's, yep.
01:23:01
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:23:05
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:23:10
Russell Miller
And I, and I, yeah, like I said, I won't, I won't give, you know, I'm not going to give Garland the full credit. I think the Costa definitely had some great insights into some of those you know, moments of being able to flesh out what Garland had to work with.
01:23:26
Russell Miller
So I'm not, you know, completely writing to Costa out. So don't, don't hear what I'm not saying.
01:23:31
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure.
01:23:31
Russell Miller
I'm just, I have a lot of respect for Garland. I think the dude's a mastermind and what lead to it what he's doing here.
01:23:35
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, I do too. I think he's like har bit one of my favorite screenwriters ever.
01:23:39
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:23:40
Andrew Sweatman
you just everything Everything he touches is so good.
01:23:40
Russell Miller
is' He's, he's, he's, he's a genius. Yeah.
01:23:44
Andrew Sweatman
Yes, I also love the sequence where Samson is then coming out of, and this is a sequence I wanted to pay more attention to, part of why i wanted to see it again. When he's fully coming out of it, he kind of wanders onto this train,
01:23:55
Andrew Sweatman
and then he's like remembering being a child on a train. And then he speaks a full sentence to these other zombies around him and then realizes he's being attacked by them.
01:24:06
Andrew Sweatman
And it's, it seems like he is still like, he kind of fully regains the ability to speak. Like he seems like he is cured in a way. And he also is still super strong and can kill all the zombies that are attacking him.
01:24:14
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:24:18
Andrew Sweatman
He survives that.
01:24:20
Russell Miller
But he also can't be reinfected. Because they're all like shooting blood on him and like, but he's he's already survived that disease or that infection.
01:24:23
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, exactly. So like,
01:24:30
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
01:24:34
Russell Miller
And so now he has immunity towards it, but he's like, a you know, he's a monster of a human being.
01:24:38
Andrew Sweatman
yeah so i i have to think that that's where the next film is going to go is something about the cure because even though kelso died dr ian kelso even though he dies at the end of this i'm hoping that
01:24:44
Russell Miller
Yes.
01:24:51
Russell Miller
Oh, we haven't even gotten into that.
01:24:52
Andrew Sweatman
his work can carry on.
01:24:53
Russell Miller
Yes.
01:24:53
Andrew Sweatman
But I want to say one more thing about the sequence when Samson is remembering his former life. There's like the audio is kind of in and out.
01:24:58
Russell Miller
Yes.
01:25:00
Andrew Sweatman
And i was like, that sounds like the music from Super, or what is it? Mario Land 2, Six Golden Coins on the Game Boy. I remember that. I played that game so much as a kid.
01:25:11
Andrew Sweatman
That sounds like that. And then like it just plays it as he's wandering into the train, you're hearing various noises of trains. and stuff and then we see when he's on the train and his flashback there's a kid across the way playing game boy and you hear another mario's like i'm such a nerd that i recognize the mario music from that game but i was like that is that is that game and i think it's placing it in that time frame of because this was pre pre you know apocalypse or whatever so anyway but yeah let's talk about the big sequence at the end with the
01:25:17
Russell Miller
Yes.
01:25:31
Russell Miller
Okay. Yeah. yeah Yeah.
01:25:38
Russell Miller
Yep.
01:25:44
Andrew Sweatman
All of a sudden first all, so when Jimmy, it's such a genius thing that, of the Jimmy's Jim, Jemima, or no, it's the other one, Jimmy. I can't remember. They all have a specific last name.
01:25:53
Andrew Sweatman
Jimmy Inc. and Jimmy Scheidt is one of them.
01:25:54
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:25:56
Andrew Sweatman
But it's the one that Spike is kind of friends with. He's scouting out and sees him dancing with a zombie and thinks he has red skin.
01:26:00
Russell Miller
Yes.
01:26:05
Andrew Sweatman
He's in a temple of bones. This is obviously Satan. And and like brings that back. to like That's such a genius way to construct that. And then
01:26:12
Russell Miller
Yes.
01:26:13
Andrew Sweatman
When Jimmy Crystal meets Dr. Ian and the conversation they have just the best is this is this is why I go to the movies, right?
01:26:21
Russell Miller
Yes. That's right. That's right.
01:26:25
Andrew Sweatman
They have the go ahead.
01:26:26
Russell Miller
Basically, so so the Fines character is a scientist, like he's a doctor and he's studying the disease, but he also has this like respect for human life. And, you know, like we we talked about treats like the the zombies, the effect infected and and the regular people that have been killed by this is like equal. So he's approaching this with a very lot, that this whole,
01:26:51
Russell Miller
you know, this whole world through a very scientific lens.
01:26:55
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:26:56
Russell Miller
And then he finally reveals himself to the Jimmy Crystal character as an atheist.
01:26:56
Andrew Sweatman
Mm-hmm.
01:27:03
Russell Miller
But it's, it's once he realizes that the, the Jimmy Crystal character is worshiping Satan and that that is who he's following and all the motivations for the Jimmy Crystal character are he's,
01:27:21
Russell Miller
emulating what he thinks his father wants him to be doing, right? He's he's torturing people and and performing like these heinous acts on on people that he encounters while his is band of you know hoodlums you know just roam around England And they, you know, if they capture people, they just torture them and do like the most cruel things.
01:27:48
Russell Miller
Some of those things are depicted in the second act of the film.
01:27:50
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:27:52
Andrew Sweatman
Acts of charity, he calls it. Yeah.
01:27:52
Russell Miller
And yeah, and then and then the Fiennes and the or the the Dr.
01:28:00
Russell Miller
Ian's character and the Jimmy Crystal character get together. And man, it just, it's it's, again, like you said, that's some...
01:28:10
Andrew Sweatman
It's so good. Yeah, because he, yeah.
01:28:12
Russell Miller
Garland, boy Garland, really, yeah, tip of the hat to you, sir.
01:28:17
Andrew Sweatman
It did. It reminded me of some of the best scenes from Ex Machina where they're talking about sort of the philosophies of different things with AI and stuff in that movie.
01:28:23
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:28:24
Andrew Sweatman
But here, there, yeah, it's like, there's even a line who's like, a oh, so I'm an atheist and you're Satanist. And they both have very, both have very you know, exp very explanations for what's going on in the world that seem very logical to to themselves, right?
01:28:36
Russell Miller
That's some incredible work.
01:28:42
Andrew Sweatman
And...
01:28:42
Russell Miller
That's right.
01:28:44
Andrew Sweatman
And yeah, it's just fascinating to see. And it's sort of a microcosm of like organized religion at all. And like science and religion and how those things have always had an interesting relationship with each other.
01:28:53
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:28:55
Andrew Sweatman
And so I just love all of that stuff. And then just how great to have this. very odd situation in which he is compelled to pretend he is the devil.
01:29:05
Andrew Sweatman
And, and then I was not prepared for how, how hard that was going to go right for that whole sequence where he pulls out the iron maiden song and he just looks like the devil it's on the poster.
01:29:05
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:29:10
Russell Miller
Oh man. It was an amazing.
01:29:17
Russell Miller
What does he say? let's let's Let's take this to an 11.
01:29:18
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. let's Turn this up to 11.
01:29:21
Russell Miller
Yeah, some sort of a...
01:29:22
Andrew Sweatman
And man, he really did. And like to have this little quasi Satanist worship service that he's obviously orchestrated and doesn't believe Mm-hmm.
01:29:32
Russell Miller
Yeah. So so the so the basic premise of one of the final scenes is that he is is the Jimmy Crystal... character uses Dr. Ian with like kind of like a threat of violence or death.
01:29:48
Russell Miller
Like, Hey, you have to help me convince all my followers that I am Satan's son. And they need to keep following me and listen to what I have to say.
01:30:00
Russell Miller
and and you know, that that I am the leader, that they need to be obeying.
01:30:05
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:30:05
Russell Miller
And so Fiennes, the Dr. Ian character, has to put on this performance and show as if he is Satan. And it is, I mean, it is some incredible stuff.
01:30:19
Russell Miller
Like, wow.
01:30:20
Andrew Sweatman
So good.
01:30:22
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, very finds is great.
01:30:23
Russell Miller
What will...
01:30:23
Andrew Sweatman
at this he can sit And I had the feeling like, okay, once he realizes spike is there, that's going to change things in some way for him. And that's basically what happens.
01:30:30
Russell Miller
Yeah, things are going to devolve into some, some yeah, in some way.
01:30:31
Andrew Sweatman
and
01:30:35
Andrew Sweatman
But then it ends up with he he's a little twist that he does. I need you to crucify Jimmy k Crystal. That's my final command to the followers. and so it But it ends up with Jimmy k Crystal upside down on the cross.
01:30:50
Andrew Sweatman
And he says, you know, my God, or Father, why have you forsaken me? I can't hear my father's voice anymore. it's like all these ways that it's echoing these biblical stories just, but it it makes so much sense in this context.
01:31:03
Andrew Sweatman
But I didn't realize too, in the in the opening sequence of the previous film where we see Jimmy as a boy, he takes his father's cross, which now he's wearing upside down.
01:31:04
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:31:12
Andrew Sweatman
But he he says, he's hiding under the floorboards and he says, Father, why have you forsaken me? Like, that's one of the first things we hear him say.
01:31:18
Russell Miller
Oh, yeah.
01:31:18
Andrew Sweatman
yeah to Anyway, but yeah, great sequence. And then Samson shows up and he sort of hallucinates it that that's Satan, who obviously that but makes sense.
01:31:26
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:31:27
Andrew Sweatman
He sees him with giant horns and stuff.
01:31:30
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:31:30
Andrew Sweatman
But then Samson's just talking in sentences to Dr. Kelso, which is crazy. Anyway, great ending. But then... and do you want to say anything else about that?
01:31:41
Andrew Sweatman
I want to about the very end and then we can kind of wrap up. We're getting close to, you we're going kind of long, but I just love this movie.
01:31:44
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:31:48
Andrew Sweatman
The very, very end. So like, I loved all of that, obviously. I'm just talking about how much I loved it. But then the final sequence, i was just goosebumps. When the credits rolled, was like, yes,
01:32:00
Russell Miller
Yeah. You didn't, you didn't know that Kelly Murphy was going to make return.
01:32:03
Andrew Sweatman
I did it. I didn't. I think I i had a, I suspected that it might, but like I saw a headline that it sort of hinted at that, but if they just said a character and I don't know. And I was like, I'm just going to pretend I didn't see that. So I was really surprised when it we see a young woman in a little house and then he walks in. i was like, is that his voice? And then he walks in. And so the implication that that's his and Naomi Harris's from the first one's daughter, I'm assuming, where is she? Did she die? We don't know. But they're,
01:32:35
Andrew Sweatman
For one thing, the conversation they're having, he's like teaching her history and he's talking about World War II was partially because Germany was bankrupt from World War I.
01:32:36
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:32:41
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:32:48
Andrew Sweatman
And so after World War II, the world helped Germany get back on its feet. And she was like, why would they do that? And he was like talking about how like the enemies here are the ideals, fascism, racism, and all these things.
01:33:00
Andrew Sweatman
how much does our modern world need to hear that my gosh but then they hear something coming they look outside and it's the zombies and it's uh he's like dad should we help them and we see spike and uh kelly i think is her name the jimmy who's now no longer a jimmy that's his friend
01:33:05
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:33:17
Russell Miller
One of the, yeah, one of the jimmies that's, yeah.
01:33:20
Andrew Sweatman
then he's like should we help them he's like of course and then like the music drops in from the first one that the sequence where he's running into the house and like i the goosebumps i got from that music cue just insane i was so excited so anyway it seems like the the third film of this year's trilogy is going to be focused on him perhaps and the way we've shifted from spike as the protagonist to then dr kelso as a protagonist to I assume maybe killing Murphy again, which is a great thing to build toward and see maybe the cure stuff will happen.
01:33:53
Andrew Sweatman
I don't i don't know but where where we're going next, but I'm so excited for it.
01:33:56
Russell Miller
Yeah, I mean, that's that's the cool thing is that is that Garland is, like I said, he's just found some absolutely fascinating things that he wants to discuss with these zombie films. The second one, all the religious stuff that he you know feels like tackling and and just kind of like having discussions about, and you know and even 28 years later, the the themes of death that he really explores in some fascinating ways.
01:34:31
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:34:32
Russell Miller
that whatever he decides to do with this third one, like now that I know what he's, what he's, you know, got for us, like I am fully on board. Like I was kind of like, oh yeah, 28 years later, yeah.
01:34:44
Russell Miller
I went seen it. I was like, oh wow, this is one hell of a movie. Like, you know, he, like, like Alex Garland and and daally Danny Boyle have got me like literally like crying in the movie theater and for for a zombie film.
01:34:55
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:34:57
Russell Miller
And then the Bone Temple comes along i'm just like, holy hell. So now I'm i am fully, fully bought in and I'm fully on board for whatever Garland wants to break into in the next film.
01:35:04
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, who would have thought?
01:35:12
Russell Miller
I mean, yeah.
01:35:15
Andrew Sweatman
absolutely yeah i was i was so surprised as well and yeah just what a great use of like this is what re reboots and sequels should be is not cash grabs but like oh i have some interesting ideas in this universe and so i i'm just a big fan of what's going on here as well so yeah i was looking through i don't think i have anything else super pressing to say about this film i could talk about it some more but
01:35:25
Russell Miller
Seriously.
01:35:29
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:35:33
Russell Miller
Yeah. Yeah.
01:35:41
Russell Miller
The only thing that we really didn't kind of break into was how effectively 28 years later kind of explores the themes of death and memories, you know, just to like kind of tie those themes into this discussion, you know, and like what actually made me cry.
01:35:52
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:36:01
Russell Miller
Like I just queued it up like. again earlier before we recorded, that just the five-minute sequence of the the little the little boy, and he's probably like,
01:36:12
Russell Miller
nine, 10, 11, something like that. the the main character from the first film, Spike, he his mother is sick.
01:36:17
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
01:36:21
Russell Miller
So he goes to Dr. Ian and and takes his mom. they They travel there and he diagnoses her with like basically incurable cancer, like she's going to die.
01:36:32
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
01:36:33
Russell Miller
and so... as opposed to like letting her go through a painful suffering, she ends her life early.
01:36:39
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
01:36:43
Russell Miller
And there was like a sequence of them, of of like him holding his mom and just kind of flashing back to like, you know, sequences of their memories together and their life together.
01:36:59
Russell Miller
And then she leaves and he gives her like a peaceful death
01:37:04
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:37:04
Russell Miller
But then he uses his like bone cleansing, you know, procedure on her and hands his like spikes mom's skull to him, to the child.
01:37:04
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:37:18
Russell Miller
And there's like a whole sequence of, of the child just like,
01:37:24
Russell Miller
processing that and he's like give her give her like a a a spot on this tower of human skulls that he has and so he climbs to the top of it as the sun is rising and he points the skull towards the sunrise and just like sit with that concept of death and memory and like how to how to like grieve over the passing of somebody that's so close to you, you know, like a mother figure.
01:37:57
Russell Miller
I mean, just what a an incredible sequence that that Garland wrote up and an approach to that via a zombie movie of all things.
01:38:10
Russell Miller
I was, you know, really, really captivated by that film.
01:38:10
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:38:14
Russell Miller
And even though I didn't have it in my top 10, I think i you had it at eight, I believe, seven or eight,
01:38:19
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, eight or nine, something like that. Yeah.
01:38:21
Russell Miller
Yeah, and I had it at to i had it at like 14 or 15, but you know just really, really interesting things that Alex Garland is is diving headlong into with these films.
01:38:35
Russell Miller
And I will be first in line to see whatever he's got set up for us with this final film.
01:38:42
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Yeah, i don't even know.
01:38:43
Russell Miller
Punch my tickets.
01:38:44
Andrew Sweatman
I
01:38:45
Russell Miller
I'm ready to go whenever whenever it comes out. I'll be right there, but I don't think this one has started filming yet. So we may have to wait a little bit longer.
01:38:53
Andrew Sweatman
i was going to say, like I feel like once the previous one was like in the theater for like a week, I heard, oh the sequel's coming in a year or whatever. So I don't know what the plan is or if they have one.
01:39:03
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:39:05
Andrew Sweatman
But let me see if IMDb has any information on that. But
Future Projects and Closing Remarks
01:39:10
Andrew Sweatman
yeah, absolutely.
01:39:10
Russell Miller
When it'll actually hit. Yeah, when it'll actually be released.
01:39:16
Andrew Sweatman
let's see i'm looking at just alex garland's upcoming writing credits 28 years later part three is all it says and it says production unknown he's also writing the elden ring elden ring movie which is interesting but anyway well we will have to see what happens i'm sure we'll talk about this movie when it comes out part three but uh
01:39:23
Russell Miller
it's Yeah, it's all falling out and it just, yeah.
01:39:32
Russell Miller
Mm.
01:39:39
Russell Miller
Yeah, it says part three of this trilogy is now in production. this It's expected to start filming in March. So the story's been written. Big surprise.
01:39:50
Russell Miller
He had written all three movies at the same time. Oh, and they got Boyle to direct the final one. Oh,
01:39:57
Andrew Sweatman
Oh, nice. OK, great.
01:40:00
Russell Miller
okay. All right. It is on. It's on like Donkey Kong.
01:40:04
Andrew Sweatman
That's great, especially if it's going be Killian.
01:40:05
Russell Miller
So yeah, Sony sony just... greenlit the third one after the after the bone temple released so yeah so we'll probably have to wait until next we'll probably have to wait until 27 to get this for sure probably by spring or summer but uh
01:40:13
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, seems like this one did pretty well. Yeah.
01:40:19
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:40:23
Andrew Sweatman
I just found two more things in my notes I wanted to mention one These are just like little moments I liked really quick. One is that it has to do with like belief stuff. So first of all, Jimmy Crystal really believes that he might be old Nick.
01:40:36
Andrew Sweatman
Like he comes and he's like, I was scared to death. Are you, he's like you're not old Nick, are you? Like that that is just so funny, but also like he really believes that. But then the Jimmy follower who was friends with Spike, I think it's Jimmy, i think Jimmy Inc is her name, who ends up being Kelly.
01:40:49
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:40:52
Andrew Sweatman
She, i forgot this conversation.
01:40:53
Russell Miller
Yep.
01:40:54
Andrew Sweatman
Like she's doubting whether Jimmy Crystal is really, you know, Satan's messenger.
01:40:59
Russell Miller
Yep.
01:41:02
Russell Miller
Yes.
01:41:02
Andrew Sweatman
but she still really believes in old nick and i and that that was interesting thing where he's she was like no i think it really is old nick it must be but like he's probably not really i think like he's maybe full of shite or whatever she says but but then it's like not till the end of that sequence that she's like oh so you're not really old nick
01:41:15
Russell Miller
yes
01:41:21
Andrew Sweatman
like And so she really has this faith that is kind of shattered. Anyway, i thought that was a cool, a cool, a cool touch.
01:41:25
Russell Miller
that's right
01:41:27
Andrew Sweatman
Cause you have different people reacting different things and like how many religions are formed because, Oh, we believe in our God, but we don't think that you're the right messenger.
01:41:32
Russell Miller
that's right but then you dig in a little deeper and you realize this isn't all this isn't exactly as the reality of the situation isn't as things have been explained to me that it was and there are those like
01:41:34
Andrew Sweatman
So we're going to make our own thing. Yeah.
01:41:48
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Well, and how great too that it's like, it's like,
01:41:51
Russell Miller
wake up moments. Yeah.
01:41:53
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, for sure. And I think it's for Dr. Kelso. He's having this sort of like Hippocratic Oath crisis when he's like, oh, your command is to go and expand your numbers and kill more people.
01:42:06
Andrew Sweatman
And you can see like that he's really on the verge of pulling the plug on this thing anyway.
01:42:07
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:42:11
Andrew Sweatman
so anyway, I thought that was a cool way to...
01:42:12
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:42:14
Andrew Sweatman
Anyway, sorry to go back in time there in our discussion. But yes, part three, whenever it comes... I am very excited for it. I think we can wrap up there. This was a great discussion.
01:42:24
Andrew Sweatman
Thank you so much, Russell. I think this new format went pretty well.
01:42:26
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:42:28
Andrew Sweatman
Let us know what you think, anyone who listens to it.
01:42:28
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:42:30
Andrew Sweatman
But we will say goodbye for now and I'll read my outro.
01:42:36
Russell Miller
We'll see you next time.
01:42:37
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, thanks so much, Russell. And thank you, listener, for listening to Art House Garage. We have a few years worth of episodes. You can hear those all in your podcast app of choice. Our theme music is by composer Paul Hunefeld.
01:42:48
Andrew Sweatman
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01:43:02
Andrew Sweatman
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01:43:08
Russell Miller
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01:43:14
Andrew Sweatman
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01:43:25
Andrew Sweatman
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