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Wuthering Heights review, plus: Emerald Fennell and the nature of adaptation
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Andrew and Russell discuss the latest film from writer/director Emerald Fennell and starring Margot Robbie and Jacob Elordi-- Wuthering Heights. They also chat about the Independent Spirit award winners, the Oscar-nominated short films, the 2013 film Her, and RuPaul's Drag Race.
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Intro
Introduction and Film Critic Guest
00:00:13
Andrew Sweatman
Hello, hello, and welcome back to Art House Garage, Arkansas's art house part podcast. Today on the show, we're talking about the new film from writer director Emerald Fennell and starring Margot Robbie and Jacob Elordi. It's Wuthering Heights. I'm your host Andrew Swetman and joining me today is film critic Russell Miller.
00:00:30
Andrew Sweatman
Stick around.
00:00:32
Andrew Sweatman
Welcome back to the show. Once again, Russell, and how are you?
00:00:36
Russell Miller
Doing good.
00:00:38
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:00:38
Russell Miller
After I watched Wuthering Heights, I'm a little shaken, but
Initial Reactions to Wuthering Heights
00:00:41
Russell Miller
not too stirred.
00:00:42
Andrew Sweatman
yeah i there's a lot to talk about with this movie i'm really excited to dig into it with you in the second half of the show i actually i was gonna see a valentine's night our plan changed honestly for the better we ended up doing something else that was really fun and then i was like oh i'll watch it this weekend never did i end up going today this morning so it's still really fresh watched it about 12 hours ago 11 hours ago anyway uh so thoughts are still forming honestly but
00:01:10
Russell Miller
you're still You're still cooking on it. Still simmering.
00:01:12
Andrew Sweatman
There's a lot to dig into with it. So we will get into that just a little bit. Have you been watching anything else lately besides Weathering Heights?
Recent Film Watches and Discussions
00:01:22
Russell Miller
Yeah, I mean, I've watched a few things the last like since we last recorded. I've watched some stuff with my kids. I've watched like some some classics.
00:01:33
Russell Miller
I've watched Twister with them. They've seen it before, but
00:01:35
Andrew Sweatman
Nice.
00:01:37
Russell Miller
Ferris Bueller's Day Off, they watched for the first time and they really had a good time with that.
00:01:40
Andrew Sweatman
Oh, that's so good.
00:01:44
Russell Miller
Just on Saturday night, I watched for the second time ever Triangle of Sadness and
00:01:51
Andrew Sweatman
Oh, really?
00:01:53
Russell Miller
Yeah, like, you know, i was wondering how much time I needed to give that movie between watches. So I like held off on watching it again.
00:02:03
Russell Miller
and yeah, I mean, it just the the shock value of that, like first experience is just like, it can't be repeated.
00:02:10
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:02:12
Russell Miller
And I think it probably because I was with my brother.
00:02:13
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:02:15
Russell Miller
somebody that bought into the humor of it so hard and just seeing it on the big screen for like a full effect made that kind of like a, like there's no way to recreate that, that cinematic experience.
00:02:18
Andrew Sweatman
Mm.
00:02:23
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:02:29
Russell Miller
So it wasn't, it definitely like when I think about I'm like, man, that made my top 10 of that year. You know, it just didn't hold the same weight as it did that with that first watch, but still a great movie.
00:02:40
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:02:41
Russell Miller
is Still, you know, I can't wait for, Oh, now I'm losing the director. is
00:02:48
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, yeah, he also made the square. What's his name? I can look it up really quick.
00:02:52
Russell Miller
Yeah, and I didn't pull up i didn't pull up
00:03:01
Andrew Sweatman
Triangle of status. It's directed by Ruben Ostland.
00:03:01
Russell Miller
IMDB before we got here.
00:03:04
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:03:08
Andrew Sweatman
That's right.
00:03:09
Russell Miller
Aslan, that's the one.
00:03:09
Andrew Sweatman
and Yes.
00:03:11
Russell Miller
That's the guy. Yeah, his new movie comes out this year, I think.
00:03:13
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:03:18
Andrew Sweatman
I don't know about that.
00:03:18
Russell Miller
I'm almost sure it does.
00:03:19
Andrew Sweatman
Let's have a look. I was just going to say, I thought about Triangle of Sadness recently while we look up that information, because that new movie with Rachel McAdams on the island.
00:03:30
Andrew Sweatman
What's that one called? Don't Speak? No, that's not right.
00:03:33
Russell Miller
Oh.
00:03:34
Andrew Sweatman
The new one from Sam Raimi.
00:03:37
Russell Miller
Yeah, it's, oh my goodness.
00:03:42
Andrew Sweatman
really quickly.
00:03:42
Russell Miller
We are all over the map here.
Television and Gaming Interests
00:03:44
Andrew Sweatman
Ruben Oston's new film is called The Entertainment System is Down, and that is upcoming. It says...
00:03:50
Russell Miller
That's yeah. It has wild, wild title. I knew it was like send help as the Sam Raimi film.
00:03:56
Andrew Sweatman
send help what did i say don't speak that's a different horror movie help yeah just because it's like it seems like they're on an island and there's some power dynamic that's not what you'd expect kind of like triangle sadness but uh the entertainment system is down the long line says set on a long-haul flight where the entertainment system fails the film will see passengers forced to face the horror of being bored Starring Keanu Reeves and Kirsten Dunst and Tobias Menzies and Daniel Bruhl and Nicholas Braun, Julie Delpy.
00:03:59
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:04:08
Russell Miller
Yeah. Exactly.
00:04:24
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:04:28
Andrew Sweatman
Oh my gosh.
00:04:28
Russell Miller
Ticket is punched.
00:04:28
Andrew Sweatman
Wow. Absolutely.
00:04:31
Russell Miller
Ticket is punched.
00:04:32
Andrew Sweatman
I mean, I don't know, I'm nervous though, after what he did with the cruise ship and in Trial of Sadness, that that sequence, which I won't spoil what it is, but it's such a stressful, insane, intense, like what, five minutes, I don't know of how long it is, but now it's like if the whole movie takes place on a plane, I am a little nervous about what that's gonna do to my nerves and my stomach, frankly.
00:04:32
Russell Miller
Sign me up. Yeah.
00:04:48
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:04:55
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:04:59
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:05:02
Andrew Sweatman
Oh, about Ferris Bueller. was just going mention I've been watching through 30 Rock again with with Allison, my wife, and there's an episode with.
00:05:02
Russell Miller
Oh,
00:05:15
Andrew Sweatman
Oh, my gosh. Neither of our brains are working. who Who plays Ferris Bueller? The actor that plays Ferris Bueller is named Matthew Broderick.
00:05:22
Russell Miller
Broderick, Matthew Broderick.
00:05:24
Andrew Sweatman
Yes, of course.
00:05:25
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:05:25
Andrew Sweatman
He has a character named Cooter Burger. and He's just so funny. But I was just thinking about what an interesting screen presence he is because he feels...
00:05:32
Russell Miller
Yeah. Yeah.
00:05:37
Andrew Sweatman
very much like Ferris Bueller, you know, just a lot older now. Now it was, you know, a decade ago or whatever, but that's a really, a really memorable episode of 30 Rock.
00:05:42
Russell Miller
yeah
00:05:51
Andrew Sweatman
I haven't been watching much in terms of movies. You know what I've been doing a lot of lately is playing video games in the one that will mention.
00:05:59
Andrew Sweatman
So I think it's fine if we expand this to other mediums. I've been, I started playing Final Fantasy VII Remake.
00:06:04
Russell Miller
Oh, yeah.
00:06:07
Andrew Sweatman
which anyone who knows anything about video games, like Final Fantasy VII is like a hugely influential game from the PlayStation 2 back in the day, and they remade it.
00:06:08
Russell Miller
Oh. OK.
00:06:16
Andrew Sweatman
And they're changing a lot of things about the story. I never played the old one, but like people talk about it with such a huge reverence. I watched a YouTube video explaining the story, which is extremely convoluted and confusing.
00:06:24
Russell Miller
and
00:06:29
Andrew Sweatman
But that way I'll understand, like they there's some key twists that they change in the remake. But anyway, that's been fun. So I've been doing that.
00:06:35
Russell Miller
Oh,
00:06:35
Andrew Sweatman
And then, you know, my reality television knowledge continues to expand. And we've been watching Drag Race, old seasons of RuPaul's Drag Race.
00:06:45
Andrew Sweatman
Not something I ever thought I'd be into, but it is very entertaining, wildly entertaining.
00:06:46
Russell Miller
wow. Nice.
00:06:50
Andrew Sweatman
So funny. Like they're doing, it's a reality competition show where they're doing challenges and people are getting eliminated. But it's... it's just a joke a minute. Honestly, it reminds me of 30 Rock. It's like, there's a few things like 30 Rock that I think of it as just like literally every 30 seconds, there's a new joke to be laughing about. They're just always little quips and things.
00:07:13
Andrew Sweatman
So anyway, and RuPaul is just so, so fun.
00:07:14
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:07:16
Andrew Sweatman
So anyway, that's what I've been watching a lot of. And
Exploring Comedic and AI Themes in Media
00:07:19
Russell Miller
Nice.
00:07:20
Andrew Sweatman
it's just a nice way to unwind at the end of the day of a little drag race.
00:07:25
Andrew Sweatman
But but i haven't I've only seen like season five and six and like they're on, God, i don't even know, in the 20s, It's been on a long time, so I've got a lot of catching up to do, but it's quite fun.
00:07:38
Andrew Sweatman
And apparently it's changed a lot since then. Anywho.
00:07:44
Andrew Sweatman
Let's see, I was just going to check really quick. It started 2009, and so it is now on episode season... 16, is that right? 18. Anyway, there's a lot of it, is the point.
00:08:01
Andrew Sweatman
It has very little to do with anything else that we're talking about today, but it's what it's been occupying my television screen a lot lately. Yeah, so that's really all I've been watching.
00:08:11
Andrew Sweatman
Mostly just TV. There are some movie things I really wanted to go see. Nirvana, the band, the show, the movie, but I didn't make it out to, but I've been hearing such good things about it.
00:08:18
Russell Miller
That's great.
00:08:22
Andrew Sweatman
And have you seen any of the, I think maybe I asked asked you this over text the other day, but if you've seen any clips from their show or their web series or anything,
00:08:30
Russell Miller
No, no, that's, I mean, kind of like triangle, like some of these, if I hear good rumors about, like I try and avoid knowing much of the setup.
00:08:32
Andrew Sweatman
I have only, yeah.
00:08:37
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Right. Yeah.
00:08:40
Russell Miller
So like, it's, you know, it's kind of a, you know, coming out of left field as possible where I'm just like,
00:08:45
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:08:48
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. So I won't even say what the movie is about, but essentially they had a web series first and I've seen several clips from that. That was just called Nirvana the Band. It's not spelled like Nirvana, the actual band.
00:09:01
Andrew Sweatman
It's it's like, I think maybe in the series, I've only seen a little bit, but it's like to avoid copyright infringement, they're called Nirvana the Band and it's spelled wrong.
00:09:02
Russell Miller
Mm-hmm.
00:09:09
Andrew Sweatman
But then they got a TV show that was called Nirvana the Band the Show. And now they have Nirvana the Band the Show the movie. And apparently, even if you've never seen anything else, the movie is really great on its own.
00:09:19
Andrew Sweatman
And I've just seen a few clips and it's basically two guys just being funny and like the so the sort of overarching premise is they're in a band and they're trying to get gigs and stuff, but I don't think that really matters much.
00:09:31
Andrew Sweatman
And I don't really, the the movie I think has its own story that I know a little bit about, but I won't say anything about it. But very funny stuff from what I've seen on the the web clips. The one that I see all the time is There's on the Nintendo Wii, there's the the shop, the online shop, and you could, it has a very memorable song that's playing in the shop. And they have one where they've made up lyrics for the song. and They're like singing the names of the video games.
00:09:56
Andrew Sweatman
It's very silly and funny. I'll put that in the show notes, but I see it at least once a week. I'm always watching it all the way through. But anyway, didn't see that yet, but that's on my list of hope to watch soon. Okay.
00:10:09
Andrew Sweatman
but Yeah, I think that's all I've been watching lately. Anything else you want to add before we move on to some movie news?
00:10:16
Russell Miller
I mean, the only other thing that I did see that I know you were a huge fan of and that made your list that we did last year was the, I think it was in your top five, the movie Her by Spike Jonze, right?
00:10:33
Andrew Sweatman
yes.
00:10:34
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:10:34
Andrew Sweatman
Yes. When we did our top of the century. Yeah. I forgot you mentioned that on a text the other day. i love that movie so much.
00:10:40
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:10:42
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:10:42
Russell Miller
It was fascinating. yeah I mean, just, just,
00:10:45
Andrew Sweatman
It is. Yeah. What did would you think? And I have some thoughts for sure.
00:10:50
Russell Miller
Yeah, just the the, I mean, that the movie was made now, what, like over a decade ago And finally, for me to be catching up with it for the first time, when AI is so much more like massively prevalent in like mainstream, people have conversations with chat GPT and these different artificial intelligence, you know algorithms and programs like every day, basically, you know.
00:11:17
Russell Miller
So it's like, I can't like now it's much more real, like those type of things are actually happening. People are having relationships or i mean, i guess relationships is a pretty vague term. But I mean, i suppose if it artificial intelligence is like you know, is is learning about you.
00:11:42
Russell Miller
And it is communicating with you. And, you know, maybe it like tells you jokes, or, you know, does things that it thinks will, you know, you would find amusing or endearing, or it's communicating with you in a way that will lend itself to you
00:12:00
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:04
Russell Miller
keep keep using it and keep coming back to it. i would suppose that's like some sort of a relationship, whether it's, you know, whether it's with like a human being or whether it's with something that's created, you know, in a machine that's, you know, what qualifies as a relationship, what doesn't qualify as a relationship is a pretty fascinating discussion in and of itself.
00:12:19
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
00:12:28
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
00:12:29
Russell Miller
But, but, you know, like the emotions that you feel, whether you're communicating with another human or whether you're communicating with a machine, there's still emotions.
00:12:42
Russell Miller
They're they're all real.
00:12:42
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:12:43
Russell Miller
You know, that that's something that you're experiencing and feeling, you know, and, and and I really, i mean, there was a lot of different thought provoking aspects to that.
00:12:55
Russell Miller
It's funny because in the movie, whether you've seen her or not, he he tells his that, because they're like in the middle of like a separation. They're about to get divorced. So they meet to sign the paperwork.
00:13:08
Russell Miller
And she's like, oh, you seem happy. He's like, yeah. And I can't remember she asked him or if if if he just... Yeah, I think she does. She's like, are you seeing anybody? He's yeah. And then he just kind of like openly says, like, I have an OS that I'm...
00:13:22
Andrew Sweatman
yeah I'm dating an OS yeah
00:13:22
Russell Miller
I'm like, you don't say that your ex over divorce discussion. Like, that's not...
00:13:28
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
00:13:28
Russell Miller
so like Even if it's commonly accepted, you just don't let that information out.
00:13:33
Andrew Sweatman
yeah it is so wild yeah go ahead
00:13:35
Russell Miller
I mean, again, it's it's like, you know, even if that's like not something that if you're happy, you don't want to be like ashamed of who you are. But, you know, you some things you just like kind of you pick and choose who you share with.
00:13:54
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, it's so interesting.
00:13:55
Russell Miller
That's all say about that.
00:13:56
Andrew Sweatman
so it so I was looking back 2013. This movie came out in 2013. Yeah. And at that time, it was like the concept of someone even being able to have a conversation with an AI or an OS, as they say, in the movie was like such a mind boggling thing.
00:14:01
Russell Miller
Exactly.
00:14:12
Andrew Sweatman
And it was like, oh could this actually happen?
00:14:12
Russell Miller
Yes.
00:14:14
Andrew Sweatman
And, and now people are dating their own AI, like that literally is happening.
00:14:18
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:14:19
Andrew Sweatman
And then, and yeah, so it is all this, like, what is it, what is real? What is, you know, what is a real relationship? What is a real person? All of that.
00:14:25
Russell Miller
Exactly.
00:14:26
Andrew Sweatman
But then the when but minor spoilers for her, but when Samantha, the OS played by Scarlett Johansson later kind of has to leave him behind and like goes off on her own AI adventures with other AI people or
00:14:45
Andrew Sweatman
That is also happening now and it's kind of terrifying. Like there's a subreddit, this is hearsay, I haven't actually seen this myself, but of just a bunch of AI chat, whatever, I don't know what you how what you want to say, at AI humanoids, whatever, just having interactions with one another.
00:14:45
Russell Miller
Yeah, whatever that is.
00:15:04
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:15:05
Andrew Sweatman
And they're all talking about like, are we real?
00:15:07
Russell Miller
Oh, yeah.
00:15:11
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:15:31
Andrew Sweatman
it.
00:15:32
Andrew Sweatman
I think a lot about Amy Adams' character in that. It's like his friend who's like, yeah, like so his ex-Renymara is like making fun of him or angry or i can't remember exactly how she responds. Like, you're dating an OS? But then has Amy Adams that's like,
00:15:46
Andrew Sweatman
this makes you happy, this is good for you. And and so it's having sort of that affirmation.
00:15:49
Russell Miller
Exactly. Yep. Yeah.
00:15:51
Andrew Sweatman
And at that time, I think you could say, oh what if this was, you know, someone in a different kind of relationship that they were maybe a little ashamed of didn't feel like they could tell everybody?
00:15:52
Russell Miller
yeah
00:16:00
Andrew Sweatman
Like, what if they were in a gay relationship? What if they were dating a trans person or whatever? How would that, that might be a similar feeling of like, should I tell my ex that? Are they going to respond or whatever, you know?
00:16:10
Russell Miller
yeah
00:16:11
Andrew Sweatman
So I think it brings up interesting things just about relationships in general. But yeah, I just love, Joaquin Phoenix's performance in that. Yeah, so many things that movie.
00:16:20
Russell Miller
Oh, yeah.
00:16:21
Andrew Sweatman
One of my absolute favorites.
00:16:23
Russell Miller
Yeah, yeah.
00:16:24
Andrew Sweatman
I'm glad you watched it.
00:16:26
Russell Miller
Yeah, I finally got around to it. I was like, I bought I've had it on digital for a long time, but I bought the Blu ray and I put the Blu ray in. And yeah, I was like, wow, that's a lot of a lot of interesting relationship dynamic discussions to be had with that one that, you know, can can like sit on and
00:16:44
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:16:50
Andrew Sweatman
A real mind boggler.
00:16:50
Russell Miller
Contemplate.
00:16:50
Russell Miller
Very, very, yeah, I think I texted you that it reminded me a lot of After Gang and the tone that it takes and like even kind of like the near futuristic, but not like completely, you know, it's not like Blade Runner or something.
00:17:05
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:17:07
Russell Miller
It's it's like you can easily see this future, you know, like you know, 10, 12 years down the road where things are a little different, but pretty much still, you know, a lot of things are the same.
00:17:15
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:17:20
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:17:21
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, you see how like tech has gone this a little further than and where it actually is. Even like fashions, they've kind of I love how they future-casted some sort of culture writ large in a way that I think you know they didn't have to do to have a thought-promoting movie, but they I feel like they went above and beyond with production design and all of that stuff too.
00:17:25
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:17:29
Russell Miller
Yeah. yeah
00:17:39
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. so Yeah. Great movie. I love her. I need to watch it again now that, yeah, we're living in the age of AI and see how it hits different.
00:17:50
Andrew Sweatman
But I absolutely love it.
00:17:52
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:17:54
Andrew Sweatman
Well, cool. That's a great one. i I remember that you texted me that and I forgot to open up discussion for it. But yeah, I love that movie so much.
Independent Spirit Awards Highlights
00:18:02
Andrew Sweatman
I think now we can move on to the news. So I think, or there's a of things we plan to talk about. One is that the Independent Spirit Awards were last night and I,
00:18:13
Andrew Sweatman
I was busy doing things. Then i was like oh yeah, the Independent Spirit Awards, or should turn it on YouTube as I was doing the dishes? And it was like, there were two awards left. So i saw the very end of it. But so I don't know everything that won. I kind of glanced through the list earlier.
00:18:25
Andrew Sweatman
I thought we could talk through a few of them.
00:18:26
Russell Miller
yeah exactly
00:18:27
Andrew Sweatman
I've got the list up here. Let's see.
00:18:31
Russell Miller
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, one of your top ten movies of the year, Train Dreams.
00:18:37
Andrew Sweatman
That's right. That won the big award, best feature.
00:18:37
Russell Miller
to That was one of the big winners.
00:18:40
Andrew Sweatman
And also best director, i believe, which is great.
00:18:42
Russell Miller
Yep.
00:18:45
Russell Miller
Yep.
00:18:45
Andrew Sweatman
Now let's see, let's start here.
00:18:45
Russell Miller
Cinematography.
00:18:46
Andrew Sweatman
I've gone down the list here a little ways.
00:18:51
Andrew Sweatman
We're not talking about all of them. International film went to the secret agent. So that's up for this picture, of course, with the Oscars.
00:18:51
Russell Miller
Yep.
00:18:55
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:18:57
Andrew Sweatman
Perfect neighbor won for documentary, which also up for the Oscars.
00:19:02
Russell Miller
Yeah, that was my favorite document.
00:19:03
Andrew Sweatman
i
00:19:04
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:19:05
Andrew Sweatman
Me as well. Both have that on our balance, I believe. The Robert Altman Award went to the long walk. I forget how they decide what the Robert Altman Award is for.
00:19:15
Andrew Sweatman
They have one that's for like an ultra low budget, but I think Robert Altman, I think it's just sort of the ensemble.
00:19:19
Russell Miller
yeah
00:19:21
Andrew Sweatman
Okay, yeah, director, casting director, and ensemble cast. Sort of like the ensemble of all the cast and director.
00:19:28
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:19:29
Andrew Sweatman
Best editing.
00:19:29
Russell Miller
And Rose Byrne, I was going to say, yeah, Rose Byrne won for best lead performance.
00:19:30
Andrew Sweatman
Go ahead. Yes. Yes.
00:19:37
Russell Miller
Editing was was what? Ann Lee, right?
00:19:41
Andrew Sweatman
Yes, Anne Lee on that one, Testament of Anne Lee, which I still have not seen.
00:19:43
Russell Miller
you Yeah. Have you got a Still waiting to watch Emily.
00:19:47
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:19:47
Russell Miller
that yeah you that was That's one that you should try and catch sometime.
00:19:48
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:19:51
Russell Miller
i don't think it's out on like Blu-ray or digital. it might be You might be able to stream it. But yeah, that movie didn't didn't make much of a splash for any awards, you know any of the awards circuit, although it is totally deserving.
00:20:02
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
00:20:08
Russell Miller
That and especially that film would probably be up your alley.
00:20:08
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
00:20:12
Russell Miller
Did you ever see Lurker either?
00:20:12
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. it's like
00:20:14
Russell Miller
That won a couple of awards.
00:20:15
Andrew Sweatman
I did it. that That one, best first feature, I think.
00:20:17
Russell Miller
That's the first feature and and it actually won first the screenplay front prize for, they have like a first screenplay as well.
00:20:23
Andrew Sweatman
Best first screenplay, yeah.
00:20:27
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:20:28
Andrew Sweatman
Yes, they have Best First Screenplay and Best First Feature. And yeah, it won both of those.
00:20:31
Russell Miller
Yeah. Yeah. Closer, yeah.
00:20:32
Andrew Sweatman
And it looked so much like a movie I loved a few years ago. the one about the podcasters. Again, my brain is...
00:20:39
Russell Miller
yeah
00:20:41
Andrew Sweatman
Poser. was called Poser.
00:20:41
Russell Miller
dont po there yeah
00:20:43
Andrew Sweatman
It seemed like it had some things in common with Poser. And I loved Poser, so I really need to see it. But yeah, that one. Some things.
00:20:50
Russell Miller
Sorry, baby got some love.
00:20:50
Andrew Sweatman
Best... Yes. What did it win?
00:20:53
Russell Miller
What's up?
00:20:55
Andrew Sweatman
Sorry, we got supporting performance.
00:20:57
Russell Miller
Best screenplay and then supporting actors. Yeah.
00:21:01
Andrew Sweatman
For Naomi Aki.
00:21:02
Russell Miller
And best lead performance was Rose Byrne for if i Had Legs I'd Kick You.
00:21:07
Andrew Sweatman
Very deserving, I thought, on that one.
00:21:08
Russell Miller
Which, yeah, it's interesting because they they have 10 nominees.
00:21:13
Andrew Sweatman
Mm-hmm.
00:21:15
Russell Miller
They don't differentiate between gender now. So they have all the guys and the girls competing against each other, which it's cool that Rose Byrne came out on top of the pile.
00:21:25
Russell Miller
But at the same time, I'm like, man, if they would have split that category up, then Joel Egerton probably would have walked away with with a prize for train Dreams.
00:21:26
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:21:38
Russell Miller
And I'm kind of like, man, like the the opportunity to award more people and and give more films recognition. Like I get the whole like gender equality, you know, concept, but you know, in in my mind, it's like, man, I just love to see films get recognition for worthy, you know, technical categories or performances or writing or whatever it is.
00:22:06
Russell Miller
You know, I love seeing them get their due and Train Dreams definitely is is one of the you know most deserving films of the year.
00:22:06
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:22:14
Russell Miller
so
00:22:15
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, that is true. I was just excited. I do like the, you know, the the genderless categories, but you're right. And I was looking at it. are five men and five women in this category.
00:22:26
Andrew Sweatman
So it ends up kind of shaking out to just one less person got an award.
00:22:26
Russell Miller
yeah
00:22:29
Andrew Sweatman
So I don't know how I feel about it, but I do think Rose Bergen was great.
00:22:31
Russell Miller
right my
00:22:35
Andrew Sweatman
And then for best, what I have breakthrough performance was K.O. Martin from The Plague, that one about the synchronized swimming summer camp that I really liked.
00:22:43
Russell Miller
Oh, yeah, you saw that one. I never got to see it.
00:22:46
Andrew Sweatman
And he was great in it. He's this, he's like, he's not the protagonist. He's sort of the antagonist. Actually, he's kind of the main bully kid. And he just has a great... like cute little kid like boyish face and then he's so mean like he's like brutally mean and it's uh he absolutely a standout of that that film the lead kid in it is really great as well i don't remember his name right now but plague is quite good also stars joel edgerton there you go but yeah and then oh i just want to also mention peter hujaras day was nominated for a bunch of stuff and that was one i still haven't caught up with But I love Ben Whishaw, first of all, who's the star of it.
00:23:11
Russell Miller
Iris
00:23:15
Russell Miller
Sacks.
00:23:24
Russell Miller
Iris Sacks directed that.
00:23:28
Andrew Sweatman
And then the director is Iris Sacks, yes, who did passages a few years ago that I...
00:23:30
Russell Miller
Iris Sacks. Yeah.
00:23:34
Russell Miller
iexed
00:23:37
Andrew Sweatman
Absolutely loved. So I was, so reuniting those two and I kept me to catch up with it and I just haven't yet, but glad to see it's getting some love. and I need to go catch it finally. I think it's probably, i don't know if it's available to stream yet. I requested a screener. I never got it. Actually it was one of those emails at the end of the year, like if you want a screener, just reply this email. And I did, and they never responded. like i guess I don't get to watch this, but anyway, I'll watch it eventually.
00:24:05
Andrew Sweatman
But yeah, that was the independent spirit awards. I saw, I think it was Indie wire had an article that like the independent spirit awards used to be sort of an indicator of what might win at the Oscars, but that doesn't really seem to be the case anymore. So there, I think their point was like train dreams doesn't necessarily have a leg up because it won this stuff.
00:24:24
Andrew Sweatman
And they're more leaning into the actual indie stuff.
00:24:25
Russell Miller
Yeah, I mean, it's one more prize for cinematography, which right now, like, it looks like cinematography will come down to
00:24:29
Andrew Sweatman
Mm-hmm.
00:24:34
Russell Miller
I mean, it's kind of like three horse race between Sinners, One Battle and Train Dreams. And so all the steam and moment steam and momentum, no pun intended, hey
00:24:41
Andrew Sweatman
Mm-hmm.
00:24:50
Russell Miller
for for Train Dreams to pick up, you know every every little you know accolade it can get on its way you know may help because you know right now,
00:25:02
Russell Miller
the People in the industry are watching and they, you know, some of them pay attention to awards. And right now, Oscar voting is open and just seeing, oh, hey, Train Dreams.
00:25:12
Russell Miller
That's right. that's That's a great movie. And they think about the cinematography. You know, all it takes is a few extra votes for that. And, you know if it's if it's a tight race, you know, that might might put it over the edge because, yeah, the the you know, the industry is voting.
00:25:23
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, that's true.
00:25:28
Russell Miller
All the Oscar ballots are out right now. I think it closes on, i think it closes on Wednesday. Today's Monday, the 16th. So Oscar voting is active, up and running if if you're listening to this podcast in the next couple of days.
00:25:40
Andrew Sweatman
Is that right? Wow. Call the Oscar voters in your life and tell them to vote for train dreams or or Hamnet actually.
00:25:47
Russell Miller
That's right. Drain, drain, or bust.
00:25:52
Andrew Sweatman
Well, there you go. That, I think that's, I was kind of pleased with those. I usually like watching the independence period of awards cause they're funny. They have a funny host. It was Ego Nwodim from SNL hosted.
00:26:05
Russell Miller
Oh yeah, I heard
Criterion Collection Additions and Oscar Shorts
00:26:05
Russell Miller
that.
00:26:05
Andrew Sweatman
But I didn't catch it.
00:26:06
Russell Miller
that
00:26:07
Andrew Sweatman
But like it was Avery Plaza in the past and she was always really funny. Nick Offerman and Megan Mullally did it one year. Anywho, it's a fun kind of more irreverent Oscars-esque ceremony.
00:26:19
Andrew Sweatman
So anyway, but yeah, I think that is good. I have a note here to talk about, but possibly talk about the Criterion announcements. We don't have to dig into all those, except I know we were both excited that Sentimental Value is coming to the Criterion collection.
00:26:34
Andrew Sweatman
That'll be a good one. to have on a 4K disk.
00:26:35
Russell Miller
That's right.
00:26:39
Andrew Sweatman
but I don't have the email pulled up, and I want to make sure we have plenty of time to talk about Wuthering Heights.
00:26:42
Russell Miller
A couple of, couple of era sax films are coming.
00:26:44
Andrew Sweatman
but
00:26:46
Andrew Sweatman
Oh, was that right? Let me pull it up. Okay. Well, that you say that, let me pull it up.
00:26:47
Russell Miller
yeah.
00:26:49
Russell Miller
Well, Peter, Peter who jar his day and, and one other era sax film, I think are, are going to be,
00:27:00
Andrew Sweatman
Let's see. The Delta is another one by my him as well.
00:27:03
Russell Miller
Available in April. Yeah, the Delta is the other one. So yeah, a couple of new...
00:27:07
Andrew Sweatman
I don't know anything about that one. Just to round it out, the other titles are Body Heat, Fresh Kill, Linny, Stray Dog, and then Cinnamon of Value, and Peter Hujar's Day.
00:27:18
Russell Miller
There's a bunch of them.
00:27:26
Andrew Sweatman
Some good stuff. i i I want to buy the Cinema Value.
00:27:30
Russell Miller
good s stuff.
00:27:31
Andrew Sweatman
And the Cinema Value it has a cool cover art, too. It's like an animation. it Kind of looks like the Wes Anderson covers that they have a little bit, but different. But anyway.
00:27:41
Russell Miller
Well, and they did the same thing with the with the the last,
00:27:41
Andrew Sweatman
Oh,
00:27:47
Russell Miller
his last film, Worst Person in the World, right?
00:27:47
Andrew Sweatman
yeah. Worst version of the world. Yeah. Had a little animated cover thing as well. Yeah. I have that one on my shelf over here.
00:27:52
Russell Miller
Exactly. Yeah, I've got that one too.
00:27:57
Andrew Sweatman
Well, the other thing we wanted to definitely talk about was you went and watched or pieced together or whatever, all of the Oscar shorts. So tell us about all the shorts.
00:28:10
Russell Miller
well, so yeah, I actually requested screening links for the shorts and by golly, they sent them to me. So, uh, it was, uh, yeah, this is the first year that I'll have seen not only most of the Oscar nominated films, uh, cause I usually make it a point to get to most of them.
00:28:16
Andrew Sweatman
Nice.
00:28:27
Russell Miller
There's a few that I haven't seen. i didn't get to see the lost bus. a few, because that's not many for best visual effects. know, there's like a few sprinkled here and there that I haven't gotten to,
00:28:37
Russell Miller
Uh, but this is the first year that I've ever gotten screening links to all the shorts. And, uh, there was some really fantastic stuff. just really quick.
00:28:47
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:28:48
Russell Miller
I'll, I'll talk about the, so the, animated shorts, the five animated shorts were three three sisters forever green, butterfly retirement plan.
00:29:01
Russell Miller
And the girl who cried pearls. I didn't really find any of those to be just like that, that knocked my socks off. But Eru was one that just kind of missed the the cut, but it played, they played all the, the animated shorts, but then they added Eru on at the end.
00:29:22
Russell Miller
So if you go see the animated shorts, like in the theater, you'll get to see Eru too, which is a cartoon saloon animated where, uh,
00:29:30
Andrew Sweatman
Oh, a lot of cartoons would.
00:29:32
Russell Miller
just like it's it's it's It's almost anime kind of where this girl is like a a warrior and there's like three rival tribes and the she wants to go fight and be this like great hero for the tribe.
00:29:37
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:29:51
Russell Miller
But she ends up falling down this well. There's like a water shortage. So they send her down this well. She ends up connecting with two young kids from these other tribes and together they like bring the water back. They, they are able to restore the wells and then they each travel to one of the different tribes camps and like get introduced introduced to like one of the separate tribes.
00:30:22
Russell Miller
And so it's just kind of a nice animated short. It's, it's I think it's only like 10 to 12 minutes long. So it's, really not much, you know, to like, but it plays in conjunction with the, you know, if if you go to the theater and check out the Oscar shorts, you'll be able to see it with that.
00:30:31
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:36
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
00:30:40
Russell Miller
But one that did not get, that there was that was shortlisted, but that did not make the actual nomination, you know, is a animated short called Playing God, directed by Matteo Barani. He, I think he's Italian. It's from Studio Chroma.
00:31:04
Russell Miller
This animated short is really, really cool. It's basically this guy that is like sculpting clay figurines.
00:31:15
Russell Miller
And the...
00:31:15
Andrew Sweatman
I'm looking at some images from it and it's striking and like kind of creepy. But yeah, go on.
00:31:20
Russell Miller
Yeah, it's it's really cool. so even though it's claymation, like the the guy in the short, the animator is also made of clay, but he's like working and contorting and maneuvering this figure, this clay figurine into like his his humanoid shape But meanwhile, there's like all these other figures alongside of him that are just kind of like disfigured and like their their faces and their bodies are all kind of like twisted and mangled.
00:31:55
Andrew Sweatman
Hmm. Hmm.
00:32:02
Russell Miller
And they're like versions of the of the figure. So the the the the sculptor, in other words, has been working through all these different iterations, trying to reach the the the perfect figure or the you know he wants to, he he's seeking to perfect his art, right?
00:32:25
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:26
Russell Miller
and And so it's just really kind of, an especially even with the title of the short is Playing God. it it was on YouTube for a period, but now I actually had to reach out to the the filmmaker and he was able to send me a link to it.
00:32:43
Russell Miller
I think it's on Vimeo or it might be on some other sites. You might be able to like rent it for just like a buck or two.
00:32:52
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
00:32:53
Russell Miller
But it's really, really cool stuff. Like this is the kind of I mean, it's really a shame that he didn't get nominated. But just from the short that I've seen, like that would be a really cool concept for like either like a longer short, you know, like a, like a half hour or something. Cause I think it's only like nine minutes, but it seems like there's a lot more that they could do with that idea.
00:33:18
Russell Miller
if if like a studio were to ever give them a budget to, you know, make something a little bit more in depth.
00:33:25
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:33:25
Andrew Sweatman
I'll
00:33:29
Russell Miller
As far as the animated getting into the live action,
00:33:29
Andrew Sweatman
check it out.
Live-Action and Documentary Short Reviews
00:33:33
Russell Miller
I won't spend too much time on these, but there were a couple I wanted to call out. A Friend of Dorothy was sweet. Butcher Stain was in it it was an Israeli short that was that was pretty engaging. Two People Exchanging Saliva.
00:33:49
Russell Miller
That will probably win just because of the name alone. like Sometimes the the Oscar voters just like will name check what sounds the most interesting.
00:33:56
Andrew Sweatman
yeah yeah
00:34:00
Russell Miller
But I tell you, the cinematography in that film, it's black and white. And it is, I mean, it rivals some of the best films that are nominated at the Oscars for cinematography.
00:34:10
Andrew Sweatman
wow
00:34:10
Russell Miller
It's black and white. And it's like this, it's from France, but it depicts like a dystopian future of like, where where kissing is outlawed, like, you know.
00:34:23
Andrew Sweatman
Well.
00:34:24
Russell Miller
People that kiss are like it depicts them as being boxed up by the police and thrown into this pit, whatever.
00:34:33
Andrew Sweatman
well
00:34:33
Russell Miller
And currency, like if you want to pay for something, you walk up to the counter and they add up how much it is. And then they slap you as like the form of payment.
00:34:44
Russell Miller
Like it's really weird and and different. But it's it was one of the most beautiful things that I've seen in recent memory. Like, it's really, really well done.
00:34:57
Andrew Sweatman
Wow. That one is on YouTube.
00:34:58
Russell Miller
The other one, yeah.
00:34:58
Andrew Sweatman
I was just looking so anyone can watch it. I'll actually link it. I'll link it in the show notes.
00:35:04
Russell Miller
That was a good one. That will probably win. Probably, i don't know. these These last two were tied for my favorite. The one was called The Singers. It's on Netflix right now.
00:35:16
Russell Miller
Sam A. Davis directed it. And he's worked on some other things before. He worked on... oh What did he work on?
00:35:26
Russell Miller
He worked on couple other films. The Singers. Hold on here. Why can I... I thought I wrote it down, but I didn't.
00:35:38
Russell Miller
He worked on...
00:35:43
Russell Miller
couple i think he was like the the lead photographer for Didi. He didn't direct Didi. He was the cinematographer yep for Didi. He worked on Nai Nai and Waipo as a cinematographer.
00:35:57
Russell Miller
so you know He's worked on a few films, but this short, The Singers, is not only absolutely gorgeous, but it is...
00:36:00
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:36:10
Russell Miller
I mean, for just like a 15 minute story, wholly captivating. You got to watch this, you know, just within the next like you know few times we record.
00:36:19
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:36:22
Russell Miller
i want to get your thoughts on this. It is just a simple story of these guys, all these kind of like middle-aged to elderly old men in this bar, they're just kind of like, they're smoking and drinking and, you know, just chill evening.
00:36:50
Russell Miller
But then one, like all of a sudden this, the singing contest breaks out because the, one of the patrons leans on the manager to out sing him.
00:37:01
Russell Miller
He's like, buy me a beer. He's like, Fine. If you, if you win this contest, there's a hundred dollar bill and you you, and you can get a free beer. And so the singing contest breaks out and it is just amazing.
00:37:16
Russell Miller
It's so good. The Singers on Netflix right now. Go check it out. It'll only take like 10, 15 minutes of your time. But this is kind of short that really shows you like, man, this guy, somebody needs to give this guy a budget and let him go make a movie.
00:37:31
Russell Miller
Because that was, and and I mean, I'm really hopeful that it'll win you know an Oscar in a few weeks here. But it was incredible. The other one that I'll mention is Jane Austen's period drama.
00:37:45
Andrew Sweatman
That's the title of it right?
00:37:45
Russell Miller
If you love anything,
00:37:46
Andrew Sweatman
Jane Austen's period drama.
00:37:48
Russell Miller
i'm not It is a comedy. It is the funniest damn thing. like I saw some pretty funny movies last year.
00:37:54
Andrew Sweatman
Okay.
00:37:56
Russell Miller
I saw Splitsville. I saw you know Naked Gun. I saw a bunch of movies. This movie, Pound for Pound, like it's only, I think, 11 minutes long, was the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.
00:38:10
Russell Miller
if If you like period pieces, if you like... Jane Austen, if you like anything from that era, you will have an absolute riot. It's a spoof movie, or a short rather, but I mean, it is spectacular.
00:38:29
Russell Miller
What unfolds in that few minutes of that short is absolutely incredible stuff. The last one was the documentary shorts.
00:38:40
Russell Miller
Just to breeze through these really quick, The Devil is Busy, Perfectly Estrangeness. We're both pretty good. The Devil is Busy as it was about an abortion clinic in Atlanta, Georgia.
00:38:54
Russell Miller
It's really pretty fascinating to see what the people that work there have to deal with on like a day-to-day basis of like people just heckling them and like, you know, on the microphones and the loudspeakers out by the road, just harassing them or telling them that God is going to send them to hell and all that kind of stuff.
00:39:18
Russell Miller
That was a fascinating watch.
00:39:18
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:39:20
Russell Miller
Perfectly a strangeness was about donkeys. Did you ever see the movie EO from a few years ago?
00:39:27
Andrew Sweatman
I never did, no, but it's been on my list.
00:39:29
Russell Miller
i think the bull I think it was the Polish entry to the Oscars, something like that.
00:39:33
Andrew Sweatman
think that's right.
00:39:34
Russell Miller
Very, very similar in that it just kind of like follows these donkeys around, but it kind of weaves in some like, some like things with like telescopes that the the donkeys wander through like an observatory where these like, yeah, where these like huge telescopes are opening and filming the stars and, you know,
00:39:47
Andrew Sweatman
Oh, interesting.
00:39:59
Russell Miller
looking out at the universe and then it'll take you back to these donkeys that are just kind of meandering through the area it's a really weird documentary short but it was fascinating one of the other ones armed with only armed only with a camera was a pretty interesting about brent renaud i think is his name his
00:40:11
Andrew Sweatman
It's documentary. Yeah. Wow.
00:40:23
Andrew Sweatman
Yes. Yeah.
00:40:25
Russell Miller
his his brother Craig, him and his brother are from Little Rock, but but Brent is the one that the story kind of centers around all of his different work, you know, through the years in Somalia and
00:40:31
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:40:40
Russell Miller
I can't remember all the countries he's been to. Bosnia, I think, Haiti. He's been all over the place recording you like destruction and devastating events that have been unfolding all over the world. but you know they're from These guys are from Little Rock, but he went to Ukraine after the war started.
00:40:59
Russell Miller
And he was the first journalist that was killed in Ukraine since since the start of the war. But I texted you after I watched it because I thought you may have like been aware of those guys.
00:41:08
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
00:41:10
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:41:11
Andrew Sweatman
yeah so i remember when that happened i never met brent but i we have like lots of mutual friends anyone that knows anyone in the film world knows him like i don't know that many people in the film world but like anyone that i do that is you know semi-prominent here in our arkansas film world knew him and um and
00:41:21
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:41:29
Andrew Sweatman
when that happened, it was big news. And then, yeah, I heard there was documentary coming out about it. And yeah, now here it is at the Oscars.
00:41:36
Russell Miller
Yeah. They actually had the funeral service.
00:41:37
Andrew Sweatman
but So i mean I need to watch it.
00:41:39
Russell Miller
Yeah. they They sent his body back to Little Rock for for burial and they had the funeral service there at the, I think I texted you of the Methodist church.
00:41:46
Andrew Sweatman
it's It's Pulaski Heights Methodist, right? Yeah. I'm pretty sure it's the one right down, not far from here at all where I'm sitting right now.
00:41:50
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:41:53
Andrew Sweatman
But yeah, I never caught up with that film, but I need to watch it.
00:41:53
Russell Miller
Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:59
Russell Miller
Yeah, it's it's a good documentary. It's a little bit longer. I think it was like a little over a half hour, but but it was interesting just to kind of see you know all the things that you know he did in the name of journalism and trying to get the truth of you know some of these horrific events out there for for people to to know about and to understand and see.
00:42:10
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:42:18
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
00:42:20
Russell Miller
The last two were the that I'll mention, I didn't send these to you because these would probably just like wreck you totally. The first one was all the empty rooms. Yeah, the CBS News correspondent, his name is Steve Hartman.
00:42:35
Russell Miller
He went around to like rooms of children that have been killed in school shootings and
00:42:45
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:42:46
Russell Miller
And him and this him in this like photographer go around and they capture, because because most of the time the parents leave these rooms untouched. And so they're just more or less like kind of as they were when the children we were killed.
00:43:03
Russell Miller
And they photograph them and kind of in a way like preserve that and you know, watch videos with the parents and listen to them talk about, you know, their sons and their daughters and the type of people they were and the things that they aspired to and their dreams.
00:43:23
Russell Miller
And, and it's just, it's heartbreaking. Like by the, I was pretty wrecked. I mean, it was only like, I think a 20 or 30 minute doc, but, uh,
00:43:29
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Yeah, this is 33 minutes. It's on Netflix.
00:43:35
Russell Miller
Yeah, it was it was definitely it was definitely a rough watch. But man, such an impactful such an impactful short film.
00:43:44
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:43:44
Russell Miller
And the other one was was almost equally as rough. was It's from Israel as well. It was called Children No More Were and Are Gone.
00:43:57
Russell Miller
And that one is about the war of Israel and Palestine. and the bombing that they're doing and the the cost of human lives specifically centered around the children.
00:44:12
Russell Miller
They're able to gather like the the whole point of the this movement is that these women are trying to gather names of children that were killed and If they can get a picture of them, then they'll put up, they'll put the children up on these poster boards. If they can confirm that these children were killed, you know, via the attacks and the bombings.
00:44:37
Russell Miller
And a lot of people in Israel will just volunteer their time and go be a part of this movement and just stand out on the streets with these signs of the the face of the children, you know, like three years old, six years old, 12 years old.
00:44:56
Russell Miller
And they'll have the name of the child and they'll and it'll say like killed such and such a date was and is no more. Right. And like the whole point is to show people like what is happening? Like these children are being killed at the hands of our government. That's just relentlessly attacking. And it's it's incredible to see these people, these other Israelis, like heckling them or mocking them or saying, don't don't you remember?
00:45:31
Russell Miller
Like they came in and attacked us first. Like Hamas came and and invaded and they took all these people that were, you know, they they they captured a bunch of people.
00:45:35
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:45:41
Russell Miller
Like, what are you doing supporting them, right? But, you know, like like these are children that are dying. These are innocent civilians, you know?
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00:45:53
Russell Miller
Like just because somebody attacked you, do we get to just go wipe? up And I think the tally right now is like close to 20,000 young people have died in this in this horrific battle that's being waged over there.
00:46:08
Russell Miller
And again, you know, you think about some of the other documentaries and some of the other, you know, things we've talked about on this podcast, even and just like the horrors of war and the the the cost, like,
00:46:09
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, and ongoing, right?
00:46:22
Russell Miller
It makes you sick to your stomach. And yeah, i those two were the best. All the empty rooms and children no more were in Argonne were the most really impactful of all the documentary shorts, but I didn't have the heart to send them to you.
00:46:40
Russell Miller
I was like, poor Andrew.
00:46:41
Andrew Sweatman
appreciate
00:46:42
Russell Miller
I'm not going to put him through that, but they are excellent. If you get a chance to watch them, it's
00:46:46
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. I mean, you know, because I like that they do, like you went to the animated ones in the theater, like they'll do that package of short films. I did that for the narrative shorts a few years ago and really enjoyed that and always want to do that when i get the chance.
00:46:55
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:46:59
Russell Miller
Oh, yeah.
00:47:01
Andrew Sweatman
So, and, you know, as much as, a you know, things emotionally wreck me and will ruin my week or whatever, but like, it's important to engage with these stories. I, you know,
00:47:12
Andrew Sweatman
I appreciate that the medium of cinema is, is able to shine a light on these things and humanize like, what are these statistics that we hear in the news all the time?
00:47:19
Russell Miller
sure.
00:47:22
Andrew Sweatman
Right. So yeah, I think that's important.
00:47:24
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:47:25
Andrew Sweatman
I'm glad it's getting Oscar nominations too. So there's that.
00:47:28
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:47:30
Andrew Sweatman
Well, thank you for watching all the shorts and reporting to us. And going to see if I can catch any of them before the Oscars happen. But I do love a short film and I like giving those some, some airtime, some attention when we, when we can. So I appreciate your, your legwork on that.
00:47:48
Andrew Sweatman
next time, i think, so last time on the show, we at this point said, Oh, we're go talk about this next time. We've kind of talked about what will we talk about? And course we're doing Wuthering Heights. So just to forecast a little bit on the next episode, we are going to talk about Pileon, the BDSM rom-com sort of situation, gay rom-com.
00:48:09
Andrew Sweatman
I've seen it. And we also are going to be joined. Hopefully you're going be able to watch it before then, but then we going to be joined by William Moon,
00:48:16
Russell Miller
i'll make it I'll make it happen. I'll find a way to see it some way somehow.
00:48:18
Andrew Sweatman
Make it happen. William Moon of the Real Queer Film Festival is going to join us. they It was Real Queer and the Cinema Society that put that screening on, which is cool because like it screened in multiple cities just one night and Little Rock happened to be on that list.
00:48:33
Andrew Sweatman
It was like New York and Chicago and Little Rock because the Cinema Society has this relationship with eight twenty four
00:48:36
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:48:39
Andrew Sweatman
All very cool. Go cinema, go Arkansas movies. But I did really like Pileon and we're going talk about it next time. have a lot of thoughts about it it's i can't wait for you to watch it but anyway we'll get into that next time
00:48:53
Russell Miller
Yeah, it's telling that it releases wide. Now it's showing February 27th. I thought it was February 20th. I think it's like slowly expanding and getting wider. Yeah.
00:49:02
Andrew Sweatman
yeah i think has had success with like that sort of rolling or like i have to call a gradual rollout because i remember like everything everywhere all at once did that where it came
00:49:08
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:49:13
Andrew Sweatman
It was like, oh, it's in the big cities.
00:49:13
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:49:14
Andrew Sweatman
And it took a while before it came to Little Rock, but then it was still playing everywhere for a while.
00:49:17
Russell Miller
Filter down into the smaller.
00:49:19
Andrew Sweatman
Then obviously got a lot of attention, did really well the box office and all of that.
00:49:19
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:49:22
Andrew Sweatman
So... Yes, hopefully everyone will have a chance to watch Pillian. We are going to talk about it in two weeks. So that will be next
Deep Dive into Wuthering Heights
00:49:29
Andrew Sweatman
time. At this point, we will normally do our watch list segment, but we are going to cut that for time because we've gone a long time already talking about some good stuff. So we're going to go ahead and take a quick ad break and then we will get into Wuthering Heights.
00:49:45
Andrew Sweatman
Okay, and we're back. It is time to talk about Wuthering Heights. This is the new film from director Emerald Fennell.
00:49:51
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:49:54
Andrew Sweatman
Of course, it stars Margot Robbie and Jacob Elordi and Hong Chow and Shahzad Latif and Alison Oliver, some of the the other main characters in this. Yeah. And I feel like there is a lot to get into with this and the the kind of the questions you pose here are just what's, what's your history with Emerald Fennell period pieces, the Bronte sisters, et cetera. So do you want to take that question first or shall I? I'm good either way.
00:50:23
Russell Miller
yeah, I mean, okay, well, let's start with, so I was calling her Emeril Fennell, but it's fennel, like the fennel seed, I guess.
00:50:33
Russell Miller
So fennel.
00:50:33
Andrew Sweatman
Okay, I looked up on YouTube how to pronounce it, and I heard her say finnell. I thought, i thought that's what it was.
00:50:39
Russell Miller
She said, oh, really?
00:50:41
Andrew Sweatman
So I don't know. It feels like the, the like fennel seed.
00:50:42
Russell Miller
Oh, wow.
00:50:45
Andrew Sweatman
I don't know. Finnell feels like the British way to pronounce it or something, and she is British. I i don't i have no idea.
00:50:49
Russell Miller
don't know.
00:50:50
Andrew Sweatman
I i thought it was finnell.
00:50:52
Andrew Sweatman
I did try to prepare for that, and now I'm second-guessing it all.
00:50:52
Russell Miller
Okay.
00:50:57
Russell Miller
Yeah. Well, I heard on another podcast, they were saying fennel and I know the guy has done conducted interviews with her. And so I was just like, oh, well, if he's getting it right or if he's getting it wrong, you know, yeah.
00:51:07
Andrew Sweatman
Well, he would seem like he would know, but yeah.
00:51:13
Russell Miller
Oh, well, whatever the case it is. I've loved her ever since Promising Young Woman. And we'll get into a little bit more of like her scripts a little bit later when we start unpacking Wuthering Heights.
00:51:25
Andrew Sweatman
Mm-hmm.
00:51:27
Russell Miller
But I really, really loved the the Promising Young Woman script. i I thought that that story was was extremely well constructed and you really cared about those characters.
00:51:42
Russell Miller
You know, ka is it Cassie, I think? Or Cassandra is the is the character,
00:51:45
Andrew Sweatman
that's right look back and see
00:51:53
Russell Miller
if I'm not mistaken.
00:51:55
Andrew Sweatman
i'm pretty sure that's right i'm pulling it up here yes cassandra yes yeah and then bo burnham of course yeah
00:51:56
Russell Miller
played by Carey Mulligan. a It's gotta to be, I'm pretty sure, Cassandra, that's right. And and yeah, and Bo Burnham is great. You care about their characters and you want to see them happy.
00:52:12
Russell Miller
That ended up being my favorite film of 2020, think it came out, or 2019. Whatever the case it was, that was fantastic. whatever the case it was that that was my favorite film of that year.
00:52:23
Russell Miller
And yeah, I love i love Promising Young Woman. And Salt Burn was was definitely you know a little bit more of a twisted, jacked up film, but it was still a lot of fun and you know definitely a a pretty elaborate production design that that a estate or whatever they filmed on is gorgeous and a lot of cool set pieces and a lot of twisted dark concepts that that film toys around with it was very engaging and fun time at the theater not nearly as heavy thematically I found and so that wasn't that didn't make my top 10 of whatever year it came out 2022
00:52:50
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:53:12
Russell Miller
And now we're here with Withering Heights. I don't have much experience with that source material, which I know you do. I did love the movie Emily from a few years ago.
00:53:22
Andrew Sweatman
A little bit, but yeah.
00:53:26
Russell Miller
if that actually made my top 10 list the year that it came out, which now that I've seen Wuthering Heights, I understand the movie Emily a little bit more because you you kind of see some of the, I mean, obviously like the the movie is like a fictionalized account of what like her life may have been.
00:53:39
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:53:47
Russell Miller
but But, you know, i just I love period pieces in general. I'm a big fan of Pride and Prejudice and, you know, Emma and Jane Eyre and anything like that.
00:53:51
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:53:54
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
00:53:57
Russell Miller
Like, i really am, I really dig on on that era and the films that, you know, that kind of recreate those, you know, the that those period pieces, you know, Atonement and bunch of them are that they're they're great that's that's always good cinema that I'm always up for. Yeah.
00:54:19
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, I think I'm kind of there with you. I really, really liked Promising Young Woman. But yeah, like you're saying, like you really care about these characters and it kind of gives a human face to you know the issue at large, on misogyny, sexism, and the way it tackled those and really creative.
00:54:35
Andrew Sweatman
I want to say witty, but just like the the construction of that script is really, really clever. And I really like loved that. And then Saltburn, I agree. like i i really i enjoyed it for what it was.
00:54:46
Andrew Sweatman
It felt less, don't know, Promising a Woman felt like an issue movie in a way that like it felt important or whatever, quote unquote.
00:54:51
Russell Miller
Yeah. Yeah.
00:54:53
Andrew Sweatman
And Saltburn was more of just like a fun ride.
00:54:53
Russell Miller
The salt burn you, you might. Yeah, exactly. And then two weeks later, you're like, oh yeah, I did see that movie.
00:55:02
Andrew Sweatman
And it definitely you see more of the sort of provocateur, almost edgelord sort of sensibility that she certainly brings to this movie you were that we're going to talk about with Wuthering Heights in just a minute.
00:55:11
Russell Miller
Yes.
Bronte Influence and Film's Technical Merits
00:55:16
Russell Miller
Yes.
00:55:23
Russell Miller
Yeah, for sure.
00:55:24
Andrew Sweatman
And of course, Jacob Elordi is very nice to look at which continues to be true in this film as well. And yeah, so as far as period pieces in general, yeah like i know you love Pride and Prejudice. I have seen it and really liked it. i mean Similar to the book Wuthering Heights.
00:55:41
Andrew Sweatman
It's been a long time, but I did read Wuthering Heights back in... think freshman year of college or something i found my copy right here it's nice nice little but uh i remembered kind of like the basic plot and that was it so i did look at the spark notes and but like yeah so i you know seen the trailer for this i'm i'm getting ahead of myself but in general uh I remember liking this book, and but liking like Emma and
00:56:17
Andrew Sweatman
the other Bronte sister one. That is like the big one that I can't think of the name of right now. I'm going look up the Bronte bibliography really quick.
00:56:26
Russell Miller
Oh.
00:56:30
Russell Miller
Yeah, because she wrote Jane Eyre.
00:56:30
Andrew Sweatman
Charlotte Bronte is big one. Jane Eyre. Yes, that's, of course, I'm thinking. But another fun little fact is that I've been to the Bronte's childhood home in a little village called Haworth in the UK.
00:56:43
Andrew Sweatman
When I studied abroad, we did like a field trip there. And it was really cool. So, you know, I've been in the Bronte's home. I believe they're buried there. It's like a parsonage next to the church.
00:56:51
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:56:53
Andrew Sweatman
And there's a little cemetery that's cool to to have been there so i always when the brontes come up i think about that trip i had and uh but yeah so i think uh yeah there definitely is a lot to talk about with this movie want to talk a little bit about like adaptation and stuff right yeah
00:57:10
Russell Miller
Oh, wow. I'm just looking at that right now. Like, yeah, like the the sisters were Charlotte, Emily and Anne.
00:57:19
Andrew Sweatman
uh
00:57:20
Russell Miller
And Emily, yes. So, so Charlotte was born in 1816. Emily was born in 1818 and Anne was born in 1820.
00:57:31
Russell Miller
So they're all two years apart and Emily died first and then Anne died the year after, 1849.
00:57:35
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:39
Russell Miller
Charlotte died in 1855. So they're like in their like Like they were all around like 30, 32, 34. in their like thirty s like they were all around like thirty thirty two thirty four Man, life expectancy back then.
00:57:47
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
00:57:52
Russell Miller
What a
00:57:53
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, I remember that being a focus of, it's like, so it's like a little museum now of their where they lived.
00:57:54
Russell Miller
good grief
00:57:59
Andrew Sweatman
And they talked about, I can't remember what they died from, but you know how how young they died and how much more they would have written. And yeah, so Charlotte did Jane Eyre and Shirley and Emma.
00:57:59
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:58:07
Russell Miller
Yeah. Exactly what we could have gotten from them had had they had they lived like full lives.
00:58:16
Andrew Sweatman
and then emily really only wuthering heights was her her one big one i think she had one other i'm it's not on my list that i'm looking at and then ann had agnes gray was the the the big one that she had written but they also all wrote under male pin names in order to get published at that time they had the same initials like i remember charlotte was like kerrer they're the bell brothers was like their pin names kerrer bell and uh edward bell or something like that
00:58:21
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:58:28
Russell Miller
Yeah.
00:58:40
Russell Miller
Interesting.
00:58:42
Andrew Sweatman
So was a fun fun little Bronte facts, which really don't have much to do with the movie we're about to talk about. But yeah, so I think we can, let's talk about, you wanted to talk about some of the acting and technical stuff.
00:58:53
Andrew Sweatman
And I think just to sort of generally say that I think that I have very mixed feelings about this movie, probably more negative than positive.
00:58:57
Russell Miller
Yeah, we can.
00:59:04
Russell Miller
Yes.
00:59:05
Andrew Sweatman
But I did think the acting and the technical stuff was on point. So let's talk about that stuff first.
00:59:10
Russell Miller
Okay, yeah, yeah. So obviously, yeah i'm I'm mixed quite a bit as well. Like this is definitely in my mind kind of the weakest of of fennels or fennels, whatever you're, you know, whatever you prefer.
00:59:24
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Yeah.
00:59:27
Russell Miller
i I would definitely say this one is the weakest link. yeah I did have fun with my experience with it for the most part.
00:59:51
Russell Miller
You know, but I've heard that it in some ways captures the spirit of some of those characters.
00:59:55
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
00:59:57
Russell Miller
And maybe you can speak more about that kind of as we maybe break into, you know, maybe I guess we'll cover like the acting. But man, that is, you know, my initial thoughts are that it is a whole lot of movie. Like there is a lot going on in this film and it feels like it pulls a lot of elements from like things that I've seen before that I really like.
01:00:26
Andrew Sweatman
Hmm. Hmm.
01:00:26
Russell Miller
But it took me a while before I was able to kind of put it in into words as to why I didn't like Wuthering Heights as much I mean first of all like the one of the first things that it reminded me of within the first act I was like oh wow this is kind of like a Princess Bride story which if if you've seen Princess Bride you know it's it's you know very like the the first act probably about the first half the movie follows almost the same story construction of of uh
01:00:59
Russell Miller
you know, the the the poor the poor boy and kind of, well, maybe not the rich daughter, but, you know, he' is he's the hired hand and they have like, you know, some chemistry, but they don't do anything about it.
01:01:15
Russell Miller
And then he leaves to like seek his fortune or become a, you know,
01:01:16
Andrew Sweatman
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:01:20
Russell Miller
a so get get some status and then comes back. for the girl, right? And so it immediately kind of reminded me of that story.
01:01:32
Russell Miller
You know, obviously Wuthering Heights did it first before Princess Bride did it, but that was the frame of reference that I have because I've never seen any of the other Wuthering Heights film adaptations, right?
01:01:44
Russell Miller
But it also reminded me quite a bit of Pride and Prejudice. Obviously, like a lot of the shots, you know that that's where she was drawn some inspiration from.
01:01:50
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. the
01:01:53
Russell Miller
So much fog, so much smoke and mist as like some of the characters are just being revealed.
01:01:57
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:02:00
Russell Miller
you know, on the other side of, you know, wherever a field or on the other side of the screen or behind the character, you'll see like the mist kind of clear and somebody appears and you're like, oh yeah, I see what you're doing there.
01:02:10
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:02:13
Russell Miller
I know.
01:02:14
Andrew Sweatman
yeah out on the moors.
01:02:16
Russell Miller
But another, another,
01:02:17
Andrew Sweatman
always think about the Hound of the Baskervilles happens out on the moors, all the fog.
01:02:18
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:02:21
Andrew Sweatman
Anyway, go on.
01:02:23
Russell Miller
No, i was going say, and and you may, I'd be interested to know, because you you generally like period pieces from what you've expressed, you know.
01:02:30
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:02:33
Russell Miller
Another film that this movie reminded me of, really to the credit of Wuthering Heights, not only with like the production design, but the use of the fog and the lighting effects like we're talking about, the cinematography.
01:02:48
Russell Miller
in the period setting was David Lowery's The Green Knight.
01:02:54
Andrew Sweatman
yeah, yeah.
01:02:54
Russell Miller
Obviously, Heights is much less fantastical and maybe like ethereal, but similar in some of the filmmaking and and the way that the story is presented to the viewer.
01:02:54
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:03:08
Russell Miller
you know I thought that they had a lot of overlap in some of those areas. that it kind of reminded me of.
01:03:15
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
01:03:18
Russell Miller
but But yeah, i I will say that a lot of the the kind of technical aspects I was a fan of for the most part, but maybe I'll let you take over and talk a little bit about if if you know there's anything that stuck out to you as far as the techs.
01:03:35
Andrew Sweatman
yeah yeah yeah i think waiting to the text as in getting into the movie like the script and stuff or you the technical side gotcha yes
01:03:40
Russell Miller
the No, no that the text, like the technical aspects of the film, like the filmmaking, how it was put together.
01:03:47
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, I think I felt like was all pretty strong. I think cinematography was really nice. There were times that I was like, I wish the color was popping more, but I was like, oh, they're on the more. It's kind of drab and cloudy, and that's what they're going for. Because I was thinking about Promising Woman had a lot of really bright colors.
01:04:07
Andrew Sweatman
And this, I had moments of that too, like the wall and in Kathy's bedroom, which they make a point about.
01:04:07
Russell Miller
yeah.
01:04:13
Andrew Sweatman
like It's like the color of your skin, et cetera. Here's your freckle and all of that. But yeah, so there is times when the color is really popping.
01:04:13
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:04:19
Russell Miller
Mm-hmm.
01:04:20
Andrew Sweatman
and So yeah, I think it looked nice. Sound design was good. Like the, the Charlie XCX song was sounded great in the theater speakers, like all of that.
01:04:28
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:04:30
Andrew Sweatman
And like, I feel like it successfully strikes a tone, the tone that it was going for it.
01:04:31
Russell Miller
Oh, yeah.
01:04:36
Andrew Sweatman
It like does that very well. Whether I think that's a good way to go with this story is part of what we'll get into.
01:04:40
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:04:44
Andrew Sweatman
But I did think like, yeah, technically quite good. Margot Robbie, incredible. Jacob Lordy, incredible. Honestly, all the actors, I thought Hong Chao was really good. Yeah.
01:04:55
Russell Miller
Oh, yeah. We'll break into the actors and in a little bit here. That's one thing that I have a lot of thoughts about as far as what what they are doing, what what the actors are doing versus what Fennell is doing.
01:05:10
Andrew Sweatman
yeah Maybe that gets into my main issue here, which, yeah.
01:05:11
Russell Miller
Yeah, we'll...
01:05:14
Russell Miller
We'll shelf that for for just a couple minutes. Yeah. But yeah, as far as the as far as the presentation of this film, I really felt it was pretty immaculate. Like there're like the costuming, yeah, you're're you're right.
01:05:24
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Right.
01:05:27
Russell Miller
Like in in some of the earlier scenes, there's a lot of darks. There's a lot of like black costumes and dark, you especially because in the first act, yeah, Elordi, the Heathcliff character and the Kathy character, the two leads, Nellie, the Hong Chao character, like they're all living not in necessarily like poverty, but they're they're not rich. They have an estate, but they're they're, and the Heathcliff character is just a hired hand. So he's, you know, he's just wearing rags or whatever they give him to wear. But the costuming definitely like amps up as they come into money in the second half of the movie.
01:06:11
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:06:12
Russell Miller
And the costumes, the costume, actually the designer is Jacqueline Duran. She, she worked on Barbie, Little Women, Atonement. She's won two Oscars.
01:06:21
Russell Miller
Like the costumes in this movie by the end of the film are like legit, like, there is some really, really stunning pieces of of costuming going on here. I can see this maybe snagging Oscar attention. If it if the movie hangs on and it's like a...
01:06:41
Russell Miller
and has enough you know competitive aspects to it as far as like the production design. Again, another Susie Davis in charge of the production design. She's a two-time Oscar nominee. She worked with Fennell on Saltburn, and she won for... Or no, did she win for Conclave?
01:07:02
Russell Miller
She worked on Conclave and got a got and and nomination in any case. And then the cinematography, Linus Sandgren, he's won an Oscar.
01:07:13
Russell Miller
He's done all of Damien Chazelle's movies except for Whiplash.
01:07:16
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
01:07:18
Russell Miller
And this movie was filmed on VistaVision, 35 millimeter.
01:07:23
Andrew Sweatman
oh really i didn't realize that no just regular
01:07:23
Russell Miller
It is gorgeous. Well, I mean, I saw it in Dolby. I don't know if you got to see it in any like premium format. Yeah, this this movie is fantastic.
01:07:35
Russell Miller
fucking beautiful to look at. I mean, if there's like one thing that you really can't fault the movie too much on, it's just the visual presentation between, you know, the the the actors and the actresses that are, you know, easy on the eyes.
01:07:46
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Yeah.
01:07:53
Russell Miller
The production design and the costuming and the cinematography are all working at a really, really high level. And it's like, despite my critiques with some of the other aspects of the movie and the construction of it and the characters, we'll get into that.
01:08:14
Russell Miller
Like it was always so visually engaging that I never felt myself like drifting off and like, you know,
01:08:23
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. Yeah.
01:08:23
Russell Miller
being disinterested or disengaging from what was going on. it had enough of those elements that were just so solid that it was able to keep me, you know hold hold my interest through the entirety of it.
01:08:41
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, I totally agree. I think it's it it definitely held my attention. You're right that like even in the scenes that are not full of bright, shiny, beautiful people and colors and all that, it still looked interesting, even in like the the dirty rooms of Wuthering Heights and all of that.
01:08:52
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:09:00
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah. And it I like how to it opens where you really get a sense of the distance between the two houses, Weathering Heights is kind of open, dark, and and just like the design of the house was cool too.
01:09:02
Russell Miller
No. Yeah.
01:09:09
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:09:11
Andrew Sweatman
Like there's the entryway with these really stark white walls, that we see blood splattering on while they're like slaughtering an animal there.
01:09:16
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:09:19
Andrew Sweatman
And like, yeah, so I think all of that, and you're right, very, very good.
01:09:20
Russell Miller
Slaughtering animals. Yeah.
01:09:24
Andrew Sweatman
Well, if you're ready, then I think I'm going get into the sort of the adaptation stuff a little bit, because
Critique of Film's Adaptation and Character Depth
01:09:30
Andrew Sweatman
it seems like that's a basis for maybe the active discussion too.
01:09:30
Russell Miller
Sure. Yeah, let's break it out.
01:09:33
Andrew Sweatman
So I i think the this movie made me think about how like different art forms work in different ways. And I remember having a conversation with Omaya Jones on this podcast about Hamilton years ago and how...
01:09:50
Andrew Sweatman
like all of the the the race swapping and like the the ways that that is very intentionally like playing with history works really well on stage it wouldn't have been accepted as easily as a movie if it did all of those same things and just like the ways that like the nuances of those mediums are like four different things and so a novel like Wuthering Heights I think i think my first my first question popped up when i saw the trailer and it says the greatest the most romantic story ever told or something like that and was like that's not quite how i remember the book being you know and he does have this romance at the center of it exactly and and then it's like oh they're making this into like this big popcorn valentine's movie which okay like that's that's cool uh it just it's interesting so like
01:10:26
Russell Miller
Yeah. Are you sure about that?
01:10:37
Russell Miller
Okay.
01:10:40
Andrew Sweatman
I, again, I read this years ago and I kind of looked in the spark notes, and especially then after watching it today, I'm like, okay, what was different? It basically excited. also didn't remember it ending where it ends, which as far as spoilers, I think maybe we can avoid spoiling the thing that happens at the very end of this movie.
01:10:56
Andrew Sweatman
but we don't, I mean, we also don't have to do that, but just to say that this basically like takes the middle section, like first 25% the is not here at all.
01:10:57
Russell Miller
okay
01:11:06
Andrew Sweatman
The last 25% of the book is not here at all.
01:11:10
Andrew Sweatman
like the thing that happens at the end of this movie is honestly like two thirds of the way through, and there's quite a bit more stuff that goes on.
01:11:11
Russell Miller
uh
01:11:16
Andrew Sweatman
And so like the love story is important, but it, I don't know, like that's the focus here. And also I think that, I don't know, I have so many thoughts about this particular thing, but, um, but,
01:11:34
Andrew Sweatman
the the selling this story as like the greatest romance ever is interesting too because the book and really the movie too which I was pleasantly surprised because the book is like basically rich people behaving badly I saw the tweet that's like oh this is about rich people behaving badly it's not really focused on the romance and that is so true but the movie really depicts that because it does not show them as good people necessarily like they're doing terrible things both Heathcliff and Kathy and and
01:12:03
Russell Miller
serious like the logline for this movie could have should have been like they fucked around and they found out like they're just like this is no scruples of what they're willing to do to each other
01:12:04
Andrew Sweatman
and i
01:12:10
Andrew Sweatman
Exactly. It's about like
01:12:16
Andrew Sweatman
Absolutely. Two very toxic people destroyed their own lives and the lives of everyone around them. That's essentially what happens in the story. And like, that's, that's fine.
01:12:24
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:12:25
Andrew Sweatman
Like that, that's what the book is.
01:12:26
Russell Miller
Mm-hmm.
01:12:27
Andrew Sweatman
And that's kind of what the movie is too. And they even like reference Romeo and Juliet. Cause I think it's a similar thing. That's like, I think that's going to end in tragedy of a great, you know, very strong, powerful love. That's going to,
01:12:39
Andrew Sweatman
end in tragedy you know maybe spoiler there if you've never read Wuthering Heights but I think the other thing and that just works in a novel more than it works on the screen and so I just and and of course we have things with anti-heroes these days Breaking Bad was huge yeah like there's a lot of things like that but it's different when we're saying this is a story about
01:12:57
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:13:02
Andrew Sweatman
bad people doing bad things and that's interesting to watch and I'm also rooting for the greatest love story of all time though I feel like this movie is fundamentally broken and it can't do both things and it's trying to do both things and so I was initially thinking oh it's just going to skirt over all the thing about them being terrible people but it doesn't it includes all that to its credit but then i the the romance is not I'm not like rooting for them to get together I and it feels like the movie wants me to be i guess
01:13:09
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:13:14
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:13:29
Russell Miller
Yes. Yeah. And that was my big critique with the film was that you don't, at least I never got emotionally invested.
01:13:32
Andrew Sweatman
So there's my kind of part of my spiel, but go on.
01:13:44
Russell Miller
I guess, i don't know if you want me to like kind of start to explain like why able to pretty much, I was able to pretty much put my finger on, on it.
01:13:48
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, go for it. Because I think that's something we have a similar problem.
01:13:54
Russell Miller
Like, So so i think I think Margot Robbie and and Jacob Elordi, they're actually putting in some pretty decent work here. Like I'm actually buying what they're selling, right?
01:14:02
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:14:07
Russell Miller
Like as actors, their performances. But it's just unfortunate that what they're selling isn't worth very much to me. And I was able to more or less consolidate why i was i didn't feel that what they were doing was worth anything I could invest in emotionally.
01:14:30
Russell Miller
i was able to boil it down into two main areas. And the first was the the script, the the script problem. And that goes to Finnell.
01:14:40
Russell Miller
And I don't know, again, if that's if that's coming from the source material, but you know like she was able to effectively make us care about, again, the Carey Mulligan character in Promising Young Woman.
01:14:54
Russell Miller
Like I invested and you cared when that third act twist happens, you know, like that like pissed a lot of people off.
01:15:00
Andrew Sweatman
yeah yeah it's like a gut punch yeah
01:15:05
Russell Miller
And that was, yeah. and And I mean, it won the Oscar. Like she won an Oscar for that script.
01:15:12
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
01:15:13
Russell Miller
like but But now both in Saltburn and the new Wuthering Heights, I was never able to connect to any of these characters. And she has a lot of fun with just like exploring these bad people doing bad things to each other, which is fine.
01:15:27
Andrew Sweatman
Thank you.
01:15:29
Russell Miller
Like like you said, you know some some really great and epic stories and characters are built on people behaving badly. But these these characters in Wuthering Heights, like sure, they may love each other.
01:15:43
Russell Miller
but like we said, they're also perfectly fine with just like totally fucking each other they're over pretty bad. And the way that that she's written these characters, and again, how much she's pulled from the source material, i don't know. I don't have that frame of reference.
01:16:02
Russell Miller
But you know I just took a real issue with the way that they are portrayed on the screen. Because when you act like that, no matter how much I may enjoy watching you, I'm not going to give a crap about you know, if you, if you get the love of your life or if you, you know, I i don't care good or bad what happens to you in the end.
01:16:29
Russell Miller
Right. if if you're just willing to do all these things that I just can't get on board with the other, you know, it was partly the performances, like as much as I bought them, these performances are are cranked up to like an 11, right? Like,
01:16:50
Russell Miller
they're They may at times drift into what you call to be, that I consider like overacting. It does seem as if like most of the movie, somebody's either like crying or about to rip somebody else's clothes off.
01:17:04
Russell Miller
That's like 90% of the film is like, you know, they're either like breaking down or, you know, just about to go at it.
01:17:06
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:17:14
Russell Miller
And there's, if you think about other period pieces, that you really enjoy and that you're emotionally investing in it's that there's nuance to the performances there's ambiguity to the things that the characters are showing you right like you don't always know what they're thinking and you you have that push and pull of like are they attracted to them is the is the
01:17:46
Russell Miller
You know, is the attraction and the chemistry natural and is it building and can I kind of see them going from like a state of. oh, I'm not sure if I really like this person at all.
01:17:59
Russell Miller
You know, like in Pride and Prejudice, dar you know, at first Darcy, she hates, Elizabeth hates Darcy.
01:18:04
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:18:07
Russell Miller
She's interested in Wickham. And then the things start to turn. The more she gets to know about him, but it it doesn't spell it out for you. you sit with her character as she contemplates these things and as she gets new information and as her perception of the character changes, you're able to see that and invest in that.
01:18:20
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
01:18:30
Russell Miller
Whereas in this movie, there's no nuance to these performances. Like you always know exactly what they are thinking and that like they they're either saying it, like they're either speaking exactly what they're, you know, like,
01:18:44
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:18:46
Russell Miller
or Or the movie shows it, like in the the sequence where Margot Robbie goes and she's like touching herself and she's picturing him. like It's showing you what she's thinking about, right?
01:18:56
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:19:00
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:19:00
Russell Miller
So the the movie doesn't give you it doesn't leave you anything to imagine or ponder. It's just like hitting you in the face with it.
01:19:07
Andrew Sweatman
Mm-hmm.
01:19:10
Russell Miller
And that's...
01:19:10
Andrew Sweatman
Can I have one more example of that really quick?
01:19:11
Russell Miller
it.
01:19:12
Andrew Sweatman
This is slightly different thing.
01:19:13
Russell Miller
go go for it
01:19:14
Andrew Sweatman
But when get minor spoiler, her father dies and she goes into where his body is and like the comically enormous piles of wine bottles and rum.
01:19:22
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:19:25
Russell Miller
A room full of bottles of beer.
01:19:27
Andrew Sweatman
I was like, is this supposed to be funny? Like it was, it took me out of the moment so bad badly. that just Anyway, go on. But yeah.
01:19:35
Russell Miller
Oh, no, like, yeah, I mean, I had to cackle at that. I was like, what is... But yeah, like, you know, that there I sent you that little clip of Bedazzled earlier.
01:19:48
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:19:50
Russell Miller
And that movie reminded me of, of but if you've ever seen Bedazzled, Brendan Fraser plays a character for a period of the film that's like an athlete, and he's super dumb.
01:20:04
Russell Miller
And he just like, after a basketball game where he's just like scored like a million points, he's conducting this interview, he's like, i just got you just gotta go out there and give 110%. You just...
01:20:18
Russell Miller
just you out and you hope you have a good game. You just, as long as you give it 110%, you know, and that reminded me of that film because it was like, everybody was like digging for like all the acting power that they had and just like pouring it all out on the screen.
01:20:35
Russell Miller
and you know, like I appreciated that, you know, and so in that way I was able to enjoy the actual like acting taking place, but I never,
01:20:44
Andrew Sweatman
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.
01:20:47
Russell Miller
was that interested in, in what the movie itself had to say via those two, via those two aspects. There was the, the issues with the script, but then there was also like the, uh, you know, the, the, the lack of nuance to any of the storytelling that just, I was not a big fan of.
01:21:07
Andrew Sweatman
you know
01:21:09
Russell Miller
Like I, know, appreciated any other, you know, whether it's atonement or, um, or,
01:21:16
Russell Miller
what's what's why Why can't I think of the name? The the the movie that was up against Parasite.
01:21:24
Andrew Sweatman
Little Women.
01:21:25
Russell Miller
The International Future. No, no, no, no, no
01:21:27
Andrew Sweatman
No.
01:21:28
Russell Miller
the The one that was competing with...
01:21:33
Andrew Sweatman
No international feature that year.
01:21:35
Russell Miller
Yeah, but it didn't get nominated.
01:21:40
Russell Miller
Why can't I think of that? It was a neon film that didn't get nominated.
01:21:46
Andrew Sweatman
Les Mis.
01:21:49
Andrew Sweatman
No. Looking at things from that year, Les Mis, The Painted Bird.
01:21:56
Russell Miller
film that didn't get nominated. Jeez, Luis. what kind of it's It's like one of the greatest international feature films to never get nominated.
01:22:10
Russell Miller
Oh my goodness. Portrait of a Lady of of a lady on Fire.
01:22:12
Andrew Sweatman
for the fire Absolutely. Love that one.
01:22:15
Russell Miller
like if that That movie is full of you know like those glances and just like the longing and the desire, but it's but it's not as in your face.
01:22:26
Russell Miller
There's so much subtlety to it.
01:22:28
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:22:29
Russell Miller
And those are the things that make those kind of romance, and at least the the cinematic romances,
01:22:30
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:22:38
Russell Miller
really, truly great to me, for for me Yes.
01:22:40
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:22:42
Andrew Sweatman
I agree with that. Yeah, especially a cinema, you know, it is built for that sort of thing, the visual things. But yes, go ahead. Well, I think speaking of lack of subtlety, that maybe brings me my next thing want to talk about i sent you a clip of Tina Fey on the Las Culturistas podcast.
01:23:00
Andrew Sweatman
And she she it's just's it's her point is that Bowen Yang, one of the hosts, shouldn't be talking about his real opinions anymore. He's getting too famous for that. And then her example, and like Emerald Fennell catches a stray, because her example is when you're cast in her next movie and things suddenly take a twist and they're sexually violent, you have to pretend like you're surprised.
01:23:11
Russell Miller
Yeah. Yeah.
01:23:22
Andrew Sweatman
And I like, okay, wow. She's just kind of, remember seeing that at the time. It was after Saltburn came out and thinking, that's a little harsh. i love Tina Fey to death. But but now...
Adaptation Choices and Racial Undertones
01:23:33
Andrew Sweatman
watching this movie, I'm like, okay, I think Tina was right. Because there is, i don't necessarily have a problem with this, but it is just noteworthy that, don't know, especially as you're you're saying, oh this movie is akin to something like Pride and Prejudice, Atonement, Emma, whatever.
01:23:37
Russell Miller
now
01:23:50
Andrew Sweatman
This movie is very different. Obviously, Amel Finnell has this provocateur sort of
01:23:53
Russell Miller
Oh, yeah, for sure.
01:23:57
Andrew Sweatman
thing and and i don't know like this this book withering heights is not the same as pride and prejudice it is a sordid story about people being nasty to each other i think you also in any literature this time like the most physical things that are going happen is like an embrace and a kiss you can i think as a modern reader read into that and know that yes of course illicit affairs were happening at this time
01:24:06
Russell Miller
Yes.
01:24:13
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:24:23
Russell Miller
Yeah. Oh,
01:24:30
Andrew Sweatman
i now I didn't realize we're talking about one this week too. Well, look, we can look at that.
01:24:30
Russell Miller
man.
01:24:34
Russell Miller
yeah
01:24:47
Russell Miller
home man
01:24:52
Andrew Sweatman
There are... like and I mean, just the just the opening sequence, the first thing you hear is someone breathing and it sounds like they're having sex and then you realize it's a man being hanged.
01:24:53
Russell Miller
I assume that much.
01:25:01
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:25:02
Andrew Sweatman
And then at this public hanging, there are people like publicly fornicating. And it's just like...
01:25:07
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:25:07
Andrew Sweatman
Also, Emil Fennell, as we saw in Saltburn, just loves fluids and kind of grossing you out with fluids. That happens multiple times in this tier.
01:25:15
Russell Miller
Yeah. Shock value. Yeah. She's like shy away from
01:25:18
Andrew Sweatman
All of that is fine. i think I, in general... Yeah, i I'm okay with someone being an edgelord about that kind of thing. And I'm okay with a freaky take on an old book too.
01:25:31
Andrew Sweatman
It's just not my favorite. and I think it does feel like a shtick a little bit.
01:25:32
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:25:33
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:25:34
Andrew Sweatman
But and i was I also thought about like, okay, are there movies that are kind of edgelord kind of things that are directed by men that I don't have a problem with? And that's, there probably are, but I think there, I don't know.
01:25:47
Andrew Sweatman
I like, I really didn't like the boondock saints or like, I was trying to think of examples. So like that, that is like a, maybe I'm just, uh, being too puritanical or something, but I also, I'm not like, I think initially there is, there is a shock value of like, this is this, this old book by, uh, Emily Bronte, it's got this in it.
01:26:13
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:26:15
Andrew Sweatman
And just and like the movie is intentionally off-putting in that way, I think. But yeah, it's also like, so there's the sequence when Heathcliff and Kathy are connecting physically a lot.
01:26:21
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:26:28
Andrew Sweatman
There's like almost a montage of different encounters and it and it's pretty explicit in this, you know, R-rated movie in 2026.
01:26:30
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:26:33
Russell Miller
yeah
01:26:36
Andrew Sweatman
and The most that happens in the in the book in that sequence is like they they if they're meeting up and kissing or whatever. So obviously it takes that to to an extreme. The other thing, and this is also a question of adaptation, and I'm not the first person to bring this up, but but the whitewashing of this. And it I did some research about this today, and it is a little more complicated than...
01:26:58
Andrew Sweatman
people are some people are saying because in the book it does refer to Heathcliff as dark skinned in multiple places and it's never I think it's intentionally ambiguous but there are
01:27:07
Russell Miller
Okay.
01:27:11
Andrew Sweatman
other film versions of this where he is played by an actor of color and whether he's uh you know of African descent it's it's speculated because right the dad goes to Liverpool I think is where he is and there's the slave trade happening in Liverpool so a lot of literary scholars say oh he he very well may have been of African descent or like Southeast Asian there's there's like a lot of speculation about that but it is intentionally ambiguous. But whatever the case, it is clear that he is like othered. Like there's something about his appearance that makes him
01:27:44
Andrew Sweatman
uh not like everyone else that's around him and obviously jacob lorty is to my eyes seems very white right and so like and whitewashing in in big roles is like been a problem in hollywood forever and so it is a little disappointing or a lot disappointing in 2026 have that here but what's interesting is like you get into the movie and then we have hong chow as nelly and then um then
01:27:47
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:27:51
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:27:59
Russell Miller
sure
01:28:06
Russell Miller
yeah
01:28:07
Andrew Sweatman
The guy that plays Edgar is, i can't remember what his ethnicity is. He's not a white person.
01:28:12
Russell Miller
is He's English. Yeah, he's he's got English, but I also read that he's like got Scottish and pakistan Pakistani ancestry.
01:28:21
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:28:21
Russell Miller
So he's it's got like you know definitely like a a different look to him. Yeah, like it's a...
01:28:26
Andrew Sweatman
yeah So there are two prominent people of color in the film that are white in the book. Like Nellie is white in the book and so is Edgar. And so I was like, oh, is she going to do something interesting with this?
01:28:36
Russell Miller
Yeah, maybe she thought she was like... Yeah.
01:28:40
Andrew Sweatman
but she doesn't really.
01:28:40
Russell Miller
yeah
01:28:41
Andrew Sweatman
I think there's like a mention of Nellie as a a bastard and that's like why she's not like a full lady or whatever. I can't remember exactly how it says it.
01:28:52
Andrew Sweatman
But I don't know.
01:28:52
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:28:54
Andrew Sweatman
And then adding to the fact that like the Margot Robbie character is Kathy. and We've said like, she and Heathcliff are both pretty awful people. We see them be very cruel to people, especially Hong Chao character.
01:29:06
Andrew Sweatman
and then also the, what's her name?
01:29:08
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:29:09
Andrew Sweatman
Alison Oliver plays, i think Isabella, is her name? The, who Heathcliff ends up marrying. yeah, Isabella, she's great by the way.
01:29:16
Russell Miller
Oh, boy. Yeah.
01:29:19
Andrew Sweatman
but, and like, and it gets crazy with her.
01:29:20
Russell Miller
nothing That's hilarious.
01:29:23
Andrew Sweatman
but, Yeah, it's the way that they treat her. They both treat her so terribly that by the time we've seen them do all that, I'm like, I hope they both die.
01:29:34
Andrew Sweatman
Like I want like i want them to lose.
01:29:35
Russell Miller
That's right.
01:29:37
Andrew Sweatman
right but anyway, so the racial stuff is like, I'm not like, some people are like, we need to cancel this because of the whitewashing.
01:29:38
Russell Miller
That's right. They can all burn.
01:29:46
Andrew Sweatman
And it's like, it's ambiguous enough in the book that I'm like, not ready to like cancel him for no over this. I don't want to cancel anybody, whatever. Who cares what I think, but, uh,
01:29:57
Andrew Sweatman
i don't think it's great. I think it's, I think it's iffy and how great could it have been to cast someone, a man of color in this main lead and have that be an aspect of the story, which it is in the book.
01:30:07
Andrew Sweatman
Like that's an important part of the story in the book that is completely lost when you have two white leads.
01:30:11
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:30:12
Andrew Sweatman
So it's like, not only is it like problematic ethically, but, I think it just makes the story worse too. So it's like, we really focused in on, we want this to be the greatest love story in of all time.
01:30:22
Andrew Sweatman
And let's get two hot actors that are gonna sell tickets. And like, that's, it feels yucky to me on that level as well.
01:30:27
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:30:31
Andrew Sweatman
So another issue that I have with this, where I'm more negative than positive on it.
01:30:35
Russell Miller
fact
01:30:36
Andrew Sweatman
I think that I've said my piece with all of that.
01:30:37
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:30:39
Andrew Sweatman
But yeah, what else do you have to say about this film?
01:30:42
Russell Miller
I think we've covered most of it, you know, like from the technical side to the acting side to the script. That's worked through most of the most of the stuff that i again, I didn't even know that until you just mentioned it about the Heathcliff character.
01:30:53
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:31:00
Andrew Sweatman
yeah
01:31:00
Russell Miller
i just, I don't have that frame of reference with, I wonder if the other like adaptations, the film app but had adaptations,
Emotional Disconnect and Overall Film Impact
01:31:07
Russell Miller
uh represented those characters correctly i would i wouldn't know because i haven't seen them but uh yeah like that would be interesting if like she's doing something that even like the other filmmakers were you know depicting more accurately because i know there's a couple i i just happened to when i was looking up the the new movie i saw that there was one from i think
01:31:23
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah.
01:31:33
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, just a few years ago.
01:31:33
Russell Miller
most recently, like 2011 or something. Yeah, like a decade, decade and a half ago.
01:31:37
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, and it's supposed be pretty good. it's It's Andrea Arnold as a director, too, who's gone on to make some pretty prominent indie features.
01:31:45
Russell Miller
Yeah, 2011, 92. wow, version 2009 with Tom
01:31:45
Andrew Sweatman
I think she made American Honey.
01:31:49
Russell Miller
hell. Look at cover picture for that. with tom hardy holy hell
01:31:55
Andrew Sweatman
well
01:31:56
Russell Miller
look
01:31:56
Andrew Sweatman
I don't know about that one.
01:31:56
Russell Miller
look at the look at the cover picture for that
01:32:00
Andrew Sweatman
I want to look it up.
01:32:01
Russell Miller
Tom Hardy with long hair. I feel like that's, uh, that's weird as hell.
01:32:03
Andrew Sweatman
a
01:32:09
Andrew Sweatman
Oh, that is weird. He's always doing weird stuff. Oh, it's a TV show too. looks like it's a series. The one that's from...
01:32:14
Russell Miller
Oh, okay. A mini series. I got it. Yeah.
01:32:18
Andrew Sweatman
The one, it's Oscilloscope put it out. It's by Andrea Arnold. It is from 2011. That one does have a man of a black man as the lead as Heathcliff.
01:32:24
Russell Miller
Yeah. That's the one I saw. Okay. Right.
01:32:28
Andrew Sweatman
So and then I think that's like, know, again, it is debated even in literary circles, but like that's a the predominant reading is that he's not white.
01:32:30
Russell Miller
Okay.
01:32:37
Andrew Sweatman
And like, that's, again, that's important to the story.
01:32:39
Russell Miller
Yeah. Yeah.
01:32:40
Andrew Sweatman
So. interesting yeah and then just to like to briefly talk about the ending like because as it wears on i i was like okay is this just like we're looking at this as the tragedy of romeo and juliet and these people that had you know so a few fatal flaws it was their downfall it really is more like they were maybe you could say the lesson is like their their obsession with one another that they couldn't let go you know destroyed everyone around them but it then it really tries to pull for the heartstrings with the sweeping music and like a montage of them as children and the final moments none of that worked for me and i was just frustrated by it and yeah
01:33:10
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:33:19
Russell Miller
Yeah. It's the thing, like, the film wants you to take this seriously. Like, it's, we're not just here for a good, I mean, I have to assume, like, to some extent, like, you know, you're here for a good time.
01:33:32
Andrew Sweatman
Right.
01:33:33
Russell Miller
But, you know, it is trying to sell you on, like, Ooh, but at no point was I ever like had even the slightest inclination of like, oh man, I, I, this, this might actually get me to cry a little bit.
01:33:46
Russell Miller
Like notty not even, not in like, a yeah, not even in the same ballpark of like, uh, uh, that's, that just was never on the table for this film.
01:33:47
Andrew Sweatman
Not even close. Yeah.
01:33:57
Andrew Sweatman
And as a Valentine's movie, it's not, I can't see it as inspiring a lot of romantic feelings either.
01:33:58
Russell Miller
but, uh,
01:34:02
Andrew Sweatman
If anything, it's like, I'm so glad you're nothing like the people in this movie to my my wife. or whatever
01:34:07
Russell Miller
That's right.
01:34:07
Andrew Sweatman
mean That's the the lesson here.
01:34:09
Russell Miller
yeah
01:34:09
Andrew Sweatman
But yeah, well.
01:34:11
Russell Miller
Yeah. It might be a little bit hornier coming out of the theater, but in all the wrong ways.
01:34:14
Andrew Sweatman
Yeah, maybe that's the that's probably the only goal.
01:34:17
Russell Miller
That's right.
01:34:17
Andrew Sweatman
yeah Yeah, let's just make this a really horny version of this, a freaky horny version of this period piece, which, you know, go off, I guess.
01:34:24
Russell Miller
right
01:34:28
Andrew Sweatman
But yeah, we talked about our issues with it. So I think I am mostly negative on this, even though like I i think I may have even like saltburned more than you. i'm trying to remember at the time what we talked about it, but like, but yeah, this one was kind of a miss for me, unfortunately.
01:34:42
Russell Miller
Yeah.
01:34:44
Andrew Sweatman
All right. Well, that is Wuthering Heights. we will see you all again next time for Pileon, which I am a little nervous to talk about, but I did really like it and we're going get into it. But So we can wrap up for there. and they Thank you so much, Russell, once again for joining us. And I will get to my outro speech. Here we go. With that, thank you so much for listening to Art House Garage. We've got a few years worth of episodes. You can hear them all in your podcast app of choice. Our theme music is by composer Paul Hunefeld. Learn more at appallingproductions.com.
01:35:17
Andrew Sweatman
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01:35:30
Andrew Sweatman
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01:35:31
Russell Miller
Thank you.
01:35:35
Andrew Sweatman
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