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Hand Crafted v. Machine Makes
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What makes someone a "real" knitter? Hosts Andrew (Caliri Creations) and Kelly (Cocky Crocheter) navigate this surprisingly complex topic surrounding crafting by hand versus making with machines.
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00:00:00
Speaker
Thank you.
Introduction to Episode 9: Handcrafted vs. Machine-made Knitting
00:00:14
Speaker
Hey everyone, welcome back to episode 9 of 2CC's Fiber Arts. I'm Andrew, I'm here with Kelly, and today we are going to be talking about very interesting topic that I am very eager to pick Kelly's brain on.
00:00:29
Speaker
Today's topic is handcrafted versus machine makes.
Hand Knitting vs. Machine Knitting: Initial Thoughts
00:00:34
Speaker
So we're going to be... looking into hand knitting versus machine knitting. And I'm interested to hear Kelly's thoughts on that.
00:00:43
Speaker
So but this is a topic that came up because we were talking the other day in audio messages about using a machine to make a sweater versus hand knitting to make a sweater. And we put a pin in that conversation because we wanted to do it on the podcast.
00:00:59
Speaker
So I had already told Kelly all of my opinions ah on, on the matter. um But Kelly saved all of his opinions for the podcast. So I actually don't know what he's going to say. So I'm really interested to hear yeah um what you think about those two things. ah Which one do you want to talk about first?
00:01:19
Speaker
Um, so one thing I think would be, mean, I obviously know what you're saying, like what your thoughts were on it. Um, so maybe just kind of like a overview or like a brief, like kind of your general thoughts on it before go into mine. Um, and then like, you know, we can talk about like any specific aspects of it that we want to, but yeah, I've definitely have like my own opinions about it that I'm very eager to share. Yeah.
Debating the Definition of Knitting
00:01:44
Speaker
yeah Okay, well, I'll just get right into it then. So I don't think that there's anything wrong with using machines to like make ah like a knitted sweater or anything. I have a knitting machine, like one of those circular ones.
00:01:56
Speaker
But i I kind of want to get one of those like more professional machines where you could actually do like flat paneling and make a sweater. um Just because, you know, i want to get in the... the I want to enter my era of making clothes for myself. And I think it might speed the process along.
00:02:15
Speaker
That being said, i don't know if I would necessarily say that using the machine is knitting. You know, like to me, I think knitting, the craft of knitting is like your hands, using your hands, two needles to knit something. And then I would say like, OK, that is knitting. You are a knitter.
00:02:40
Speaker
But if I'm like, I don't know, for someone who can only use the machine, I'm like, is that knitting or is that like Like, i don't know, like some other term, but I don't know. It doesn't feel like knitting is the right term to apply to someone who like only uses machines to make their stuff.
00:03:00
Speaker
But okay, that's like the summary of what I think. But I'm yeah really interested to hear your thoughts on all of that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, absolutely. Okay.
Knitting vs. Quilting: Machine Acceptance
00:03:11
Speaker
So I totally understand that thought process, like where you're coming from with that when it comes to using the machine. If you were like, okay, so obviously you are a knitter, like you've hand knitted things, you use the needles and you understand the concepts behind it. So as you're working with the machine, you would be able to appreciate like, you know,
00:03:33
Speaker
I could have made this by hand, but now I'm using the machine to make it just to speed up the process. Yes. But you're like, if somebody were exclusively using that machine, would we still want to consider them a knitter? That's a very interesting question because on when I initially heard this, I was just kind of like, I mean, probably not. um Because I'm like, when I think knitter, I think of you know somebody sitting and like working with the two needles. I think crochet or I think somebody sitting and working with a hook. um But very quickly, I thought about quilters.
00:04:08
Speaker
And I was like, OK, I know lots of people who are really into quilting. They like cut out the fabric, they cut out the squares, everything like that. They're arranging everything. But then they turn to their sewing machine.
00:04:21
Speaker
And the sewing machine does all the sewing for them. They do not hand stitch it. They might do some hand stitching for like some small pieces or something, but for the most part, they are using a machine. So in my mind, I was thinking, okay, well, let's buy, I'm going to apply that same standard here.
00:04:36
Speaker
Would I say that they're not a sewer? Would I say that they're not a quilter just because they're using the machine a hundred percent of the time instead of hand sewing it. so if somebody hand quilted, are they a quilter? Whereas the person using the machine, are they not a quilter? Are they just a machinist? Like what would we call them? I still call them a quilter.
00:04:58
Speaker
Yeah. like But they're not a machinist because like obviously a machinist is an actual writer. Yeah, yeah. Well, that is a very interesting ah way to put it.
00:05:09
Speaker
I don't know. to me, it's almost like knitting as a hobby is primarily done by hand. So therefore, when you say knitting, like you were saying, you imagine someone sitting knitting with two needles.
00:05:22
Speaker
But like quilting as a hobby is primarily done with the machine. So when you say like, oh, I'm a quilter, you imagine someone using the machine. You don't necessarily imagine someone like hand stitching a quilt like that would be kind of crazy.
00:05:36
Speaker
um But it does bring up a good point because you're right. Like I would probably still call both of them quilters if it was hand quilted or machine quilted.
00:05:49
Speaker
But it's like the standard for quilting is the the sewing machine and the standard for knitting is hands. Well, the standard for quilting used to be by hand and the machine was brand new. Like very few quilters were using machines. One, they were expensive until one day it switched. Like more people were using the machine because of expediency versus the hand quilting.
00:06:14
Speaker
And also I'm sure that if you just generally ask somebody who didn't know anything about quilting, didn't know a quilter, didn't know anything, they might actually conjure up in their head the image of like, you know, an old granny sitting by the hearth with her cats in her lap with a needle and thread stitching together her little quilt.
00:06:34
Speaker
I'm sure that's exactly what they would picture. of in this Okay. In the same way that most people, if you ask them to picture a knitter and they have no concept of knitting like we would, um they might picture somebody with two straight needles.
00:06:48
Speaker
But I don't know very many people now who use straight needles when they knit. They now use the circulars most of the time. So when I picture a knitter, that's who I picture, but most people might picture that. But then I'm like, do people use circular needles? Are they not knitters? so No, knowing that no.
00:07:06
Speaker
That's not the same as machine. a Circular versus sticks is not the same. Okay, but are you real knitter just because like, but okay, so my question is, so this is where I'm kind of getting into is when we start creating categories of are you a real, like when people start going like, are you a real knitter? Well, by whose standard? Like, because there are some people who might be like, you know, a classic knitter is somebody who will use straight needles, like, because that's the old school way of doing it. But the technology changed with circular needles.
00:07:38
Speaker
um Yeah, that's true. That's point. And so by that, Yeah. So like by that standard, you're like, okay, well that, you know, were they no longer knitters because the technology changed even though it was still handcrafted. Um, yeah but then when the machines came along, you're like, okay, well then are those people also not knitting? Because even though they may not be using the sticks, the the needles themselves, the actual like hook and latch things are forming exactly the same stitches. They're doing exactly the same processes. It's just, rapid, like it is going much faster.
00:08:13
Speaker
So for me, it's just a matter of like, it's automated, it's sped it up. Are they no longer a knitter just because they're using technology? That's not the same technology that we've used before.
00:08:24
Speaker
So I don't know like that. Yeah. That that's why I'm like, I'm not so quick to be like, to dismiss and be like, just because you're using a different technology means suddenly you're no longer part of this category.
00:08:37
Speaker
But what else would I call them if they're not knitting? like Yeah. Yeah. See, that's what I was thinking is like, I think I'm like the same as you. i think you're like maybe farther along the mindset than I am. Cause my initial thought like yours was that's a knitting machine. That's not knitting. That's like machine. and But then like I, like I said, I can't come up with it a term or like you said, like a machinist but doesn't make sense.
00:09:04
Speaker
But I mean, i think you bring up a a really interesting point there, kind of like blowing my mind with the whole like, you know, before the invention of sewing machines, people were still sewing.
00:09:15
Speaker
It was just all by hand. There just wasn't that option. And so now we're in an era where like knitting is mostly done by hand. But I have a question like, what do you think like do you think eventually knitting would transition into something more like quilting, where more more people use the machines than use hands?
00:09:38
Speaker
Or do you think it's different than sewing? Oh God, now you're making me think pretty deeply about that. First of all, I love blowing your mind. Just want to point that out. it's like oh Anytime I do that, I'm always like, yes, okay. I've i've made him really expand his thoughts. um yeah yeah okay so It is hard to predict something like that because back when...
The Future of Machine Knitting
00:10:05
Speaker
I'm assuming back when like the sewing machine was being invented, it was being invented around the time of the industrial revolution where automation mass production was all like, it was moving forward. Like cottage industries were dying in place of these like massive factories.
00:10:24
Speaker
Right now we're already established. Like we're post-industrial revolution. Like we're, we're in the tech age and all that stuff. So I think that like, machine knitting has left the industrial side. Okay. Okay. Sorry. So let me back up Machine knitting is still primarily used in factory settings. Like any knit mass produced thing has to be done by machine. You're not getting a done of like, yeah unless you're going to like Ireland and getting like a handmade sweater from like the Aaron islands from the sweater market. Which I do have, the way. Those are really, really nice. Oh, wow. But for the most part, yeah, I know, right? It's so fancy of me. But for the most part, most mass-produced knitting is still on machines.
00:11:04
Speaker
Whereas, like, people who get the machines now for, like, personal use, they are expensive, they are complicated, they are difficult to set up.
00:11:17
Speaker
now. But if more knitters start being like, you know, we want to bring these in computers, calculators, televisions, cell phones, like all that technology starts big and complex because it's just, how do you even get it to work? But eventually they start figuring out more efficient ways of making it, making it something that is a household product. So I could see like yeah within not the next few years, but like maybe several decades from now,
00:11:45
Speaker
That could be something where like maybe machine knitting does overtake hand knitting the same way machine quilting takes took over hand quilting. Not to say that there aren't people who wouldn't want to do hand quilting, but you know, it's harder to do and takes much longer to do. So yeah, I could see that happening.
00:12:05
Speaker
Wow. I think that would be crazy. Like, imagine a world where you're, like, going to your kni night circle or something and people don't bring, like, sticks or circular needles. Everyone brings, like, a knitting machine. Yes!
00:12:19
Speaker
That would be crazy. That would be so wild. but There would be such, like, an evolution of the craft. Like, I don't know if that would have, like,
00:12:33
Speaker
I'm like wondering, like, would knit circles even still exist if everyone is using machines? Cause then like, you know, part of the, the idea of like a knit group circle, I think is to like, you know, it takes a long time to make some of this stuff. So like, you got to pass the time with people, but if you're just making everything on a machine, like, you know, yeah two days and you have a sweater, like you're not even going to see people by the time, like in between you start and like finish, you know what I mean?
00:13:03
Speaker
Yeah, okay, okay, you're right. You're right about that. But here's what I'm gonna tell you. In my circles, like my fiber art groups, we have people who learned how to spin yarn, and they tote their little E spinners. These are machine spinners. They are not foot pedal spinners, hand spinners. But they're still able to pop out their machine, turn it on, and they are spinning their yarn.
00:13:25
Speaker
And it still takes a lot, but it's much faster for them. and They're able to do it evenly. So I'm like, I still see like you know people still can bring their portables, their machines. They bring their... People bring their giant ass bags of like project. They're like, I don't know which project to work on. And I've got like 1800 needles that I've like, you know, picked up. I don't know what it's like. So don't put it past people to bring their bag with their like machine and setting it up. That's true. um Well, another thing, actually, since you brought that up, it reminds me that people actually do bring machines to group on Sundays. Yeah. A really popular one right now is the machine yarn winder.
00:14:05
Speaker
So when people are winding up their yarn skeins, instead of cranking it themselves, they have now like an automated one. ah One guy brought one recently. He just plugs it into his phone for the battery source.
00:14:19
Speaker
And then just like it winds up the whole thing for you. So, I mean, oh I guess kind of like that's so nice the machines are kind of taking over fiber arts in a way.
00:14:32
Speaker
Okay. Right. Okay. And I know what I said and I know my predictions and I know like where I'm at, but I'm also going to go back on that and say something completely opposite.
Return to Traditional Crafting Methods
00:14:42
Speaker
Okay. so Okay. Right. You know how, okay. So, you know how like people, um they buy like, you know, boxed cake,
00:14:50
Speaker
mix um or yeah pre-made things, canned things, and they'll make things like that. But then now we're seeing kind of like right now there's like people wanting to go back to making things from scratch.
00:15:02
Speaker
They want that original stuff. They want to go back to the slow, the handmade and things like that. So I actually think It could be one of those things where maybe right now we're seeing maybe things are slowly picking up in that direction.
00:15:15
Speaker
But then eventually it might reach like, you know, critical mass and people will be like, I want to go back to what is hand knitting. I want a hand quilt. I want a hand craft. I want a hand spin. Like I want that slow, that feeling, that tactile. I want to feel the yarn and the needles in my hand the same way. Some people are like, I want to,
00:15:34
Speaker
knead the dough i want to my sourdough starter. I want to like crush up my, I want to mill my own flour. Like all this stuff. I've seen that Yeah. Well, there are people, it's like people who want to spin their own yarn are basically like the people who want to yeah mill their own flour. um The step before that, like the people who are like, I want to raise my own sheep and alpaca to me. I'm like, that's just the person who wants to make bread, but grow their own wheat.
00:16:00
Speaker
but That's true. That is true. Yeah. And there are some people who have the means to do that. And I think that's the thing is like, as long as it's cost prohibitive for a lot of people, it's not going to be something that happens widespread until it does become more accessible to people. So like spinning yarn is not accessible. Spinning yarn is a very complex skill in my opinion. And you really have to want to do it. Whereas something like knitting and crochet is a lot easier to pick up.
00:16:30
Speaker
Just like working on a sewing machine is a lot easier than like, you know, i don't know what my hand stitching quilts might be like a little bit harder. I don't know. i did I don't know. But to me also like setting up a knitting machine is a lot harder than just picking up two needles and working it.
00:16:50
Speaker
Well, unless you have a spot in your home that's like, ah like permanently where the but ah the machine lives, then maybe it would be kind of like easy for you to like just pick it up and like, you wouldn't have to set up the machine every time. You could just like start.
00:17:05
Speaker
I don't know how to actually use a knitting machine. I don't know if you, I don't know if this motion means anything. So this is how you do it? Yeah, I'm just like, use the machine. i don't know. see i use my hands to knit with needles, so I don't know the machine. yeah But I think you' were you're right about, you know, I don't like the the craft of knitting by hand. I don't think we'll ever die, even if the machines become like the favored method.
00:17:35
Speaker
You know, I think the majority of knitters, like at least I could speak for myself, part of what makes knitting so fun is like the fluidity of the moving the needles and the yarn and like it feels really like really smooth and like methodical and that's what I like about knitting because I can just sit and like tinker with my hands and it's productive and so maybe there's some of that in machine knitting I'm not 100% sure like you know I don't know what to do with my hands for that but ah maybe there's some of that there but yeah
00:18:11
Speaker
But, okay, so, like, for instance, like, people who have sock, crank like, the sock knitting machines, yeah it's very methodical. It's a lot of just, like, cranking. And it's just, like, a repetitive motion.
00:18:23
Speaker
And it's just faster. And you get even stitches and everything. And there's still skill to, like, having to, like, set it up and knowing, like, how many rounds to do and things like that. So, it's, like, it's not that...
00:18:34
Speaker
There's not those components with it. But then something else I also just thought about is that there's like an ability issue too.
Inclusivity in Fiber Arts
00:18:42
Speaker
There are some people who like hand issues or like they can't manage the needles. So using things like a loom or like a machine or something like that is their ability to engage in crafting.
00:18:55
Speaker
Because I was just thinking like in one of my circles. Yeah. In one of my circles, there was a person who is a mother and daughter pair and the daughter, she can't knit with needles, but she uses one of those circular like knitting looms and she uses like a little latch hook and she's able to knit that way. Well, when they originally tried going to a knitting group at like the local library or something like that, they were kind of like ostracizing them because they were like, well, that's not real knitting.
00:19:24
Speaker
And we were all like, we were all like, what? Like a knitting group that's telling you like that. Well, first of all, it's like, who even cares if you're like, it's not needles or whatever. I'm just like, that's pretty exclusive of you to be like, this isn't real knitting. You can't sit with us kind of thing. But also yeah like this woman had a limitation that prevents her from being able to knit the traditional way.
00:19:45
Speaker
And you're like, yeah you're being ableist in that way. So in my mind, I was like, yeah that's not right. So we were all like super supportive. We all like, we're justifying it. Like, you know, no, you're still a real knitter. Like, even if you're not using the needles, like you're creating knitted works. So we were like, yeah, you're still a knitter. Yeah. um Yeah.
00:20:03
Speaker
Yeah. ah See, in my head when I'm thinking about it, it's like um the like, you know, i imagine knitting being hand knitting, but you're right. There are definitely people who, ah you know, don't have the ability to use their hands or like I've seen like one handed ah crafters, like there's a one handed crocheter who has like a setup where the hook is like ah in a fixed position. And so she just uses her one hand to actually crochet.
00:20:32
Speaker
Oh, yeah. I've seen that. What I think is wild is excluding somebody at a knit night for that. Because, like for example, our fiber arts group, like as long as you have any kind of fiber art, like that's like what we really care about. like We've had cross-stitchers, weavers. We've had people who spin yarn, knit, crochet. Yeah.
00:20:54
Speaker
Basically, as long as it's fiber arts, then it's like still the community. I mean, you know, we talked about community before and it's like, well, that's what's so nice. It's like, it's so expansive about, you know, there's so much fiber arts out there.
00:21:10
Speaker
so yeah, it's weird. The exclusion is weird. Yeah, that's well, I think it's because like in general, I find most fiber arts groups, and there's going to be exceptions, are pretty inclusive. like yeah They already have the mindset of like fiber arts is for everybody. like You shouldn't be excluding people or being so strict. But there are some people with very closed mindsets about what they're going to categorize as acceptable for their group.
00:21:40
Speaker
They're like, if we're a strict just knitting group, they might even exclude somebody like me who I'm like, I will bring crochet. Well, they're like, well, you can't be with us because this isn't a knit group. This is a knit group, not a crochet group.
00:21:52
Speaker
And i just like, I've never encountered that, but I'm just saying like, I could picture that there are groups like that. So, yeah but for me, I'm like, I would never want to start a crochet only group to begin with. Cause to me, I'm like, yeah why would I want to exclude more friends who also knit? Cause I'm like,
00:22:11
Speaker
knitters are enjoyable. I'm like, and what if I have somebody who's by craft tool, by craft tool, by spiritual, like you, like you knit and you crochet, I'm going to be like, well, if you brought your knitting to our crochet group one day, would I sit there and just like, that's banned. You cannot have that out. You need to bring a crochet project and only a crochet project. Never bring those knitting needles here again.
00:22:33
Speaker
yeah Yeah. So then I guess the point is that like, uh, go ahead. No, i was you're probably about to say something similar. It was just going to be like, I think it's better to try to be more expansive and inclusive with some of our definitions, I feel, than to be rigid in our categories.
00:22:52
Speaker
So I'll generally go in favor of, I'd rather expand. Yeah. Yeah, well, that's it's kind of what I was going to say. Like, you know, ah like you were saying, like if I showed up with knitting to your crochet night, you wouldn't be like, get out of here.
00:23:07
Speaker
ah But it would be kind of the same if I brought a knitting machine. Like, it's the same idea because it's still fiber arts at the end of the day. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's and unless they want to call themselves something different, like if they're like, um if they want to specify, they're like, I don't knit traditionally, but I'm a machine knitter.
00:23:28
Speaker
And yeah they want to just make that distinction. i would be like, okay, that's fine. You're a machine knitter as opposed to a hand knitter. To me, I'm yeah like, you know, someone who calls themselves a quilter and i'd be like, oh, do you like use the sewing machine or do you hand sew it They're like, I use the sewing machine. and be like, okay, so you're a machine quilter. Like, that's what you are. It's like, if if we want to put a specific category on it, yeah, yeah there we go. And be like,
00:23:50
Speaker
Yeah. And I'll judge them for it because they're not. Yeah. Oh, okay. That's what I was going to say is that I would definitely at least throw some light shade their way be like, well, I mean, you're a machine knitter, huh?
00:24:04
Speaker
But all in good fun. Like, you know, like, yeah. yeah Yes. You've to have some fun with it. oh Honestly, yeah it's true. It's true. And we can all do it. It's like any. Okay. And I mean, that happens in our groups anyway, where we're just like, oh, you crochet. So you're not even as important as the knitters are. Like, you know, and I'll be like, well, it looks like you had to buy another pair of needles today. I'm just saying if I need my same hook size, I can just use the same hook. I don't have to buy new needles. Oh, that's true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, that like basically throwback to our first episode. umni version Yeah. Yeah. i well
00:24:44
Speaker
Well, I was also going to add is I'm like, sorry. No, I was going to say like one thing would add is that none of this really matters to me in the long run because they'll never have machine crochet anyway.
The Uniqueness of Crochet Mechanics
00:24:58
Speaker
So we will always have to have hand crocheters that will never die. I going to ask you about that. I was literally about to be like, while we have this episode about machine makes, you're a crocheter.
00:25:10
Speaker
I don't know if everybody knows, but I'm sure both of us know, crochet cannot be done via machine. And I was going to ask you about that because I don't know if you know like the reason why. i i can't remember off the top of my head the reason why it can't be done with a machine. i don't know if you know the reason. If you do, I'd love to hear that.
00:25:28
Speaker
um But I would love to yeah talk about it. Yeah, I knew the reason. um it has been explained. I've read up on it. I've watched videos on it.
00:25:39
Speaker
And it has something to do with the mechanics of how the loops are manipulated into each other. Because like in knitting and in sewing, you were able to like get the loops to interlock like in a certain way. So ah the loops can just be formed and then wrapped around another loop.
00:25:57
Speaker
But that's not how crochet is done. Crochet is not a loop inside of another loop. You have to insert something that is separate into... Oh, okay. This is a very... It goes into something, you have to insert it, grab, and then pull, and then has to insert again and grab and pull. And the way... I see I can't unsee it. I can't unsee it. Oh ah oh my God. Okay. So I'm not saying anything. We're just going to leave interpretation to our listeners um and those viewing. So those of you who are only listening, I did the hand motion where I was inserting a hook into a gap. Yeah.
00:26:47
Speaker
to grab a piece of yarn to pull through. There we go. So, yes, whereas for a knitting machine, it's like the loop is formed, you insert, it pulls, and it's constantly engaging like this.
00:26:59
Speaker
okay Whereas in Christianity, it has to insert and pull and then it has to insert into a new loop. And then it has to move along horizontally and vertically. And it's like to get a machine to do that accurately is almost impossible. Like it's just it's just not going to work. So it's something like that. Yeah.
00:27:18
Speaker
Yeah, okay. I'm wondering though, because, you know, back in the day, people might have been like, oh, there's no way a machine could knit something. You know, I'm i'm wondering if like maybe one day the technology would exist that crochet could be done by a machine. Like, just because we don't have the technology right now doesn't mean that it could never exist.
00:27:39
Speaker
Okay, I understand why you say that, but it's kind of like a... People didn't think that about sewing also, but I think it's one of those things where like they have studied how crochet is and they're like, for even a theoretical machine to do it. So like for instance, like computers, before they even made a computer, were purely theoretical. like They called these like you know computing machines and everything based on theories involving mathematics. Like it was all theoretical mathematics until they came along. We're like, okay, now we know the theory behind it. We just have to get what is an equivalent physical mechanical process that can mimic that.
00:28:17
Speaker
We know the mechanics of crochet stitches, but there is not anything that we can map to the physical world, theoretical or otherwise, that couldn't mimic that, I think is what they said, which is why they said that's why it can never happen.
00:28:31
Speaker
Now, there are like, crochet hook looking machines, but they're not actually doing crochet. So they are able to do hooking and things like that, but it's like interlocking is like what it is. So it's almost like it's really more of a form of just like knitting with hooks is like what it is. So that's the closest we have come to having a crochet machine.
00:28:54
Speaker
But to do something that will mimic an actual single crochet, double crochet, it's not possible. And there's not a way to get it to wrap yarn overs to create anything more complicated than a single crochet.
00:29:06
Speaker
Yeah. So that's why, like, you know, I'm not too super worried about this becoming a debate for me. Well, you know, I had to bring in crochet for you so that we could talk about crochet because otherwise it would be all knitting and you're just a crocheter. So, you know, had to make sure he felt included. ah i making a face at you, which you deserve, by the way. Yeah, I'm Yeah.
00:29:35
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Oh my God. Okay. You know, this episode has been like very enlightening. I've really enjoyed hearing your perspective on all of the machine aspects of fiber arts.
00:29:47
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I felt like my mind has expanded. Oh, so glad. Always happy to stretch that mind. ah ah yes stretching is very important so it is it is yeah don't ah don't ever let it get rigid gotta keep it flexible and fluid and stretchy and loose you know of course was nice and loose just like your tension yes yes girl you know it well we are having way too much fun with this episode yes we actually yeah i know right
00:30:20
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Well, this has been a great convo and it would be great to hear more opinions about this. I'm sure people online have opinions. ah So use that machine in front of you to leave a comment below and let us know what you think about hand crafting versus machine makes. ah Let's have a conversation about it.
00:30:38
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Bye.