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Episode 282: Now we rollin'
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Ok, now we are cooking. Since last we met, the Sounders have added six more points and are now riding a franchise-record tying five-game winning streak and are now unbeaten in eight, a span of games in which they’ve collected 20 of 26 points. As we record this, they are three points out of the sixth playoff spot with a game in hand on RSL and just four points shy of fourth-place LA Galaxy.
They got here courtesy of a rather amazing 2-1 win over Minnesota United in which they scored twice in stoppage time and then followed that up with a professional 2-1 win over Western Conference-leading FC Dallas. That last win is particularly notable because it’s the first win of this streak that doesn’t really need any qualifiers.
This week's music: RVIVR - "Ocean Song", Perry Como - "Seattle", RVIVR - “The Tide”, Woody Guthrie - "Roll On Columbia"
Thanks to James Woollard, Sounders Public Address Announcer, for doing our sponsor reads. You can follow him on Twitter at @BritVoxUS - if you're looking for a British Voice to advertise your business or non-profit, please reach out to him.
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Introduction & Sponsorship
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Seattle Sounders' Winning Streak
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Welcome to another edition of NOS Adiete, sponsored by Fullpool Wines, Queen Acupuncture, and our broadcast partner Bootstrapper Studios. This is episode 282, and we're recording on Tuesday, August 14th, 2018. I am your host, Jeremiah O'Shan, and I'm joined as always by my co-host, Aaron Campo, and her engineer, Likid.
00:01:24
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Okay, now we are cooking. Since last we met, the Sounders have added six more points and are now writing a franchise record tying five game winning streak and are unbeaten in eight, a span of games in which they've collected 20 of 26 points. As we recorded this, they are three points out of the six playoff spot with a game in hand on RSL and just four points shy of fourth place LA Galaxy who admittedly played tonight and that may change.
00:01:49
Speaker
They got here courtesy of an amazing 2-1 win over Minnesota United, in which they scored twice in stoppage time and then followed that up with a professional 2-1 win over Western Conference leading FC Dallas. That last win is particularly notable because it's the first win of the streak that doesn't really need any qualifiers. This is quite a ride we're on, Aaron. Is there any reason not to feel confident that this team is at least going to the playoffs again?
Is Sounders' Style Playoff-Worthy?
00:02:15
Speaker
I think that if they didn't make the playoffs at this point, it would be a huge shock and just a huge failure on the part of whoever's fault it is, I guess. And a massive disappointment. Yeah, it'd be a massive disappointment. Part of the deal is that when you get off to these slow starts, you can go on these big runs, but you still got to finish for matter at all.
00:02:42
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And there's nothing about the way the sounders have been playing that seems unsustainable. And I think rightly so. Some people were skeptical earlier in the run because the sounders were beating bad mediocre teams.
00:02:59
Speaker
Um, they weren't scoring atomic goals and doing that, but that's just kind of their model, uh, right now. And it's, I mean, it's, it's hard to argue with the results. Um, but they, you know, they employed it against a good Dallas team and still ended up winning. Um, Dallas is struggling right now, but there's nothing about their struggles that seems like anything more than a random blip to me. Like, I don't think this is like last year where they just fell off a cliff. You know, I think that, you know, they're just going through a rough, a rough patch, which happens to every team. So.
00:03:27
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You know, the Sounders are going to be very stout defensively. They've allowed fewer goals than every team but Red Bulls. And that's, you know, a lot of that was when they were terrible and losing almost every game. I mean, they've been consistently a very, very, very good defense.
00:03:45
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Um, and now they have not a ton of attacking firepower, but enough that because their defense is so good, um, you know, they're, they're turning those draws into, and draws and, and losses as well and the wins. So there's nothing about this, like they're not going out and scoring five goals in every game.
00:04:02
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and, you know, winning shootouts. I mean, they're going out, they're playing good in pretty much every phase of the game except putting the ball into the net and they're doing well enough there. And if anything, I would expect their attack to improve rather than to regress back to what we saw earlier this season.
Aiming Higher in Playoffs
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So, yeah, I mean, I think that there's no good excuse, right, for not finishing, for not making the playoffs.
00:04:28
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And I think really the question has to be, is that good enough? Not in a holistic sense. Obviously, I don't think anybody thinks that sucking ass for the first half of the season and then having to go on a, what at one time would have been a historic run to get into the playoffs. Now it's just kind of a normal thing. Right, right. Now it's just the same old. I don't think anybody thinks that's acceptable in a holistic sense, but that's where we are, right? The sounders have,
00:04:56
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done pretty much all they needed to do to get themselves back into a position where you would expect them to make the playoffs. You know, if they get in in sixth place for the rest of the way, is that good enough? And I don't think it is. I mean, they're close enough now that there's no reason they couldn't be pushing for a home playoff game in the in the playing round. So
00:05:16
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That'll be interesting to see how that conversation shakes out because it's tempting to say, well, God, they had to go on this great run to even get here. But if they hadn't played like ship for the first half of the season, then we wouldn't be in that position. And that's kind of in the past. It's a sunk cost, I guess, for lack of a better term. And so now they need to play well the rest of the way to make it.
00:05:41
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Not worth our while to sit through, you know, that first half of the season, but to kind of make up.
00:05:47
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Yeah, I mean, I think finishing fourth probably is a realistic target right now. I think putting yourself in a position, as good a position as possible to get out of the playing round, you would host the fifth place team in that round if you get to fourth. I think that's probably a realistic goal. Like I said, they are within spitting distance, essentially, of the LA Galaxy. LAFC
Crucial Upcoming Matches
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is right there.
00:06:12
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tied as well I don't know that I mean and I don't know we'll see if LAFC is catchable but I would certainly feel a lot better about hosting let's just say LAFC than going to LAFC but I think either way for this season to be salvaged for lack of a better term I think they got to get into the into the Western Conference semi-finals at least
00:06:36
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And I don't see any reason that they can't do that. You look at who they've played. You look at how they've played against FC Dallas. You look at how they've played against New York City FC. Look at how they've played against Atlanta United even. You go down the list. It's not like they've faced a murderous row up to this point.
00:06:55
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But I will say this, if they can win, yesterday I said, or on Sunday I said before the game, if they can win three of their next four, you have to consider them a contender for getting back to an endless cup. Because in the next four games, including the Dallas game, they're gonna play then LA, they're gonna play at Portland, and then they're gonna host Sporting Kansas City. Those are the four top teams in the Western Conference right now.
00:07:23
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Uh, and they got a, you know, if they can win three of those four games, if they win their, if they win their home games, they're in great position. Uh, there's no reason that they shouldn't feel like they can play with anyone. Uh, obviously the, the one caveat right now is they're not scoring a ton of goals. They're not necessarily generating a ton of great scoring chances, but you look at the FC Dallas match. They won 14 corners.
00:07:48
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They scored off one of those, I think that's well earned. They score off a set, off a free kick. It was a very well taken free kick, whether or not he was trying to score or not is beside the point, but it was a well taken free kick. It was also in a dangerous area. So it wasn't like they didn't earn those two goals. But more importantly, you look at the chances that they gave up to Dallas, the goal they scored was really the only chance they had, the only good chance they had. And that was a great play. And it may have been a handball, I don't know.
00:08:15
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but even if it wasn't a handball it was a it was a great play and it was the only time that Dallas really looked dangerous the whole game. Yeah and I think that that's kind of been a trend you know where they're they're playing against these dangerous offenses I mean Atlanta is a great example and they're just not creating a whole lot and I think I mean I feel like I've used this
00:08:37
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analogy before on this show, but I'm going to use it again because I think it's a good one. It's kind of like those Florida Marlins teams in the 90s where they were largely good enough to get into the playoffs, but not great in the regular season, but they were just kind of purpose built to win playoffs games. And I don't know if that's been the intent of the way the Sounders have been constructed, but they're certainly very, very well suited playing in the playoffs.
00:09:01
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especially this version of the Sounders, they have an elite for MLS defense. Their attack is good enough that you don't expect
Playoff Opponent Analysis
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them to put up zeros constantly and they can grind. And that's really what it takes to win in the playoffs. And so I think if they get in, they have as good a chance as anybody. You look at the Western Conference and there's just not a team that stands out as being
00:09:27
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um that monster that you can't get past. I think Portland is probably going to end up being the toughest team in the playoffs just because they sort of have a similar model to the Sounders where they don't give up a lot of goals um and and they're just kind of a tough matchup but
00:09:43
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you know, I don't think it's crazy to think that the Sounders have a good chance to advance against the Timbers. So part of that is just that the Western Conference isn't great. You know, Dallas has sort of been the standard bearer this season. And I'm just not convinced that they're that they're really an elite level team. So, yeah, I feel pretty good about it. I would feel obviously a lot better if, you know, we weren't in this position yet again, but that's that's kind of over and done with at this point.
00:10:14
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I think that that's something that still has to be addressed. And, you know, Garth Legaway talked at the end of the transfer window about kind of the way that the team is set up for next year as well. And, you know,
Future Squad Speculation
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I said it on this show, I kind of said it to him. One of the things that was
00:10:35
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encouraging or that was intriguing about getting Palo Hurtado was this idea that they were already kind of setting the table for next season and they weren't going to go into the winter transfer into absolutely needing to sign designated player. They probably wouldn't I don't think they would have been able to even know they wouldn't have had an open designated player spot.
00:10:55
Speaker
And of course, he spins that is, well, it's another opportunity to try and find someone even better, which is true, I suppose. And I guess you could argue that anyone that you have to sign using kind of tricks of the salary cap probably isn't maximizing your signing ability. But if history tells us anything, the centers probably aren't going to sign a DP in the summer or in the winter.
00:11:24
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So they're gonna open the season probably with another open DP spot potentially. That just puts a lot more...
00:11:32
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pressure on the other signings that they make. And there's no reason that they can't go out and make some good signings. I will say that in the way that Brad Smith, who were 73 minutes into his Sounders career, he looks like a pretty significant addition. He showed off a lot of speed in his first game. He showed off some really dangerous looking crosses. He didn't actually complete any of them, but a couple of them definitely created some danger. I even had a decent shot from distance.
00:12:02
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speaking about Brad Smith specifically does that feel like enough of an if he's well you know you take Rui Diaz out of the equation which I realized is unfair and I was actually giving Matt Pence a hard time about not really counting him in his equation but so I think we can consider Rui Diaz a significant upgrade but if Brad Smith is the only other addition on from this transfer window does that feel like the sounders did enough in this transfer window to
00:12:30
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you know, set them set themselves up.
00:12:34
Speaker
I think that's a tough question because I would have liked them to do more. I would feel a lot better if they had done more. I think that it's reasonable to think that they should have done more, that they should have had a backup for Hurtado. And we've debated about that and talked about that a lot on the show about how once you get a certain point down a transfer, it's hard to do that. So I get that.
00:13:03
Speaker
When it's caused, that kind of thing has caused problems in the past. You know, you would think maybe they would figure a way to allocate the kind of resources they need to get those deals over the line or have a backup. But I mean, I think that if he's as good as he looked, if he can be effective, especially as not a foreword, but a midfielder, because I think, Ray, that that's really the expectation is that
00:13:29
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eventually he and knew who were going to be playing together on that left side. Or maybe Smith is going to be playing on the right. I don't know. But the expectation, I would imagine, is to get him and Rodriguez on the pitch in the same time and attacking positions. But they want him on the pitch no matter what. That's kind of the way it seems to me, at least. And so if he's good enough or as good as he looked,
00:13:56
Speaker
then yeah, I think that's a solid addition, and it's going to give them another dynamic, especially once their third year gets back. But whether it's enough, whether it's all they should have done, the fact that they're now in a position again where they're going to have another open DB spot going into next season, and they're almost certainly not going to fill it, it's really frustrating because it's the kind of thing where
00:14:26
Speaker
we hear a lot about how, hey, you know, the reason that we do this is because this is the window to make big additions. And they did, they made a huge addition and read as, you know, I'm not trying to sell them short there, but it's just, it's like you said, it feels automatic that they're, that they're not. It seemed like a given that they were going to sign a
00:14:50
Speaker
It felt like a given that they were going to sign a DP forward. And so when they did it, it almost didn't feel like it counted.
00:14:58
Speaker
Right. And maybe that's not fair, but I think for me, it really is one of those perception things and one of those optics things where it's like, I feel like they could start next season strong and, you know, set themselves up. Well, going into the, into the summer window and be in a position where they're continuing through the shield and people are still going to say, Hey, if we had taken care of this DP thing.
00:15:21
Speaker
before the summer window. We can be undefeated. Right. And that's obviously not especially reasonable. But it is a narrative that's getting a little tiresome to be dealing with. Yeah. And when there is fault on the part of the front office, and I feel comfortable saying that there's fault on the part of the front office to some regard in terms of
00:15:44
Speaker
you know, having these slow starts and having resources that aren't going, that are going unused, that you do have to win the optics battle to some extent. So I don't know. And from their perspective, they're probably saying, hey, we've gotten to back to back in the last cups. We got screwed by a lot of bad luck this season. And it's ridiculous to say, we need to sign somebody just to sign somebody. But
00:16:12
Speaker
I just sometimes I do feel like they are not necessarily in touch with what the actual frustrations people have are. I think that they think that if we get back to the MLS Cup, people are going to stop complaining and I don't know that that's true. I don't think that's true at all actually. I agree with you. I don't think that people will stop complaining because I think we're now at a point where it's a completely legitimate criticism to say,
00:16:39
Speaker
You can't throw away, I mean, effectively throw away half the season. And I don't, and I, and I pushed back against this idea that they threw away the first half of the season, especially last year, because A, the first half of the season was not nearly as bad as we all like to make it out to be. There was a lot of underline, like we've pointed out on the show, there was a lot of underlying statistical reasons to think that they were going to bounce back even before.
00:17:03
Speaker
Like, I don't know that we thought they were going to bounce back as well as they did, but there was definitely reasons to think that they were going to get better in the second half of the season. But this year, I think, you know, there's an old saying, you know, once is bad luck, twice is a coincidence, and three is a pattern. And I think that they're now at the point where they're showing a pattern of just not starting as strong as they could.
00:17:26
Speaker
And you could go back, I mean, I guess you could go back to 2015 in some ways, even though they started very strong in 2015, but then they had the summer swoon where they completely fell apart. And, you know,
Impact on Fan Sentiment
00:17:40
Speaker
and, you know, you'll look at, you know, Garth will say, well, you know, that was a, you know, he said it a couple of times now, which is kind of funny. He's like, oh, you know, we had a coach that we needed to get rid of in almost, I guess in 2016 is what he was saying that, but he was kind of alluding to maybe that was the problem in 2015 too.
00:17:56
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, I think that there are underlying problems. They're not huge. They're first world problems. I mean, let's face it. The sounders are still in great shape, all things considered. I think that people that have been talking about how this team needs to be completely torn down and rebuilt are crazy. And this is the same people that have been saying this for five, six, seven years, probably straight, saying that the team just can't get over the hump or whatever it is.
00:18:23
Speaker
But, it is a legitimate concern, and I think that what you're seeing, especially, and I think that maybe this is waking this... There is, like, this realization, I think. Like, you just look at the attendance, and the attendance is great. It's still over 40,000 a game. But it's barely over 40,000 a game, which is, you know, a great problem again to have. But it is the lowest since 2012.
00:18:48
Speaker
They're on pace to have their worst attendance since 2012. And I think that that's probably somewhat related to having three or four months where it's all bad press. And the mood around the team is awful and it's not fun to be rooting for them. You know, if your season is 10 months long and five of those months are spent bemoaning how frustrating of a season it is, that's going to have a negative effect.
00:19:15
Speaker
Yeah, it's not a good value proposition, especially when you're bad the way the Sounders have been the last two years to start the season. If you're having a lot of bad luck, and I guess you could say last year, it was kind of that way where a lot of it was bad luck. They were still playing pretty well.
00:19:35
Speaker
and everything but 2016 and this year as well. And that bad stretch in 2015. They were bad in a way that was unwatchable, you know, they can't keep a hold of the ball they play great defense.
00:19:50
Speaker
But they can't keep a hold of the ball they can't create scoring chances they can't finish the scoring chances that they do manage to create. It's just awful awful soccer. And if they're not playing winning if they're I mean if they're not winning and they're not getting points and they're, you know, from a standings perspective, they're getting off to a slow start but they're playing fun exciting.
00:20:09
Speaker
soccer and just not getting results, I think people can tolerate that a little bit more. It's just been the, not only do we suck, we're bad to watch. And that's, I mean, that's just in sports. So it's unforgivable. And so I think that's a lot of the frustration as well is that, you know, it's, it's, I think,
00:20:28
Speaker
even the most outspoken sounders fans recognize that MLS is weird and even good teams are going to go through bad stretches, but it's been the same kind of bad stretch. Pretty much every
00:20:43
Speaker
year except 2014 when they're consistently good all the way where when they when they're playing poorly that you just you can't stand to watch them and I think it's starting to get a little old especially when like you said it's you know five months of the season. Now that said I feel like we got into a negative rant over a time when I'm actually feeling pretty good about where they are right now. I just think that it's an important thing to remind people that
00:21:12
Speaker
Not to people I think listeners of the show I think get it I don't think we're really talking to the listeners of a show I kind of feel like we're talking to Garth and some people in the front office maybe Because we know they listen we know we know they listen But yeah, I mean I guess that the final thing that I'll touch on in this segment is Is is this the red card incident at the end of
Controversial Match Moments
00:21:40
Speaker
the game?
00:21:41
Speaker
And the whole last four and a half minutes or so of the game, including stoppage time. If you saw replays, you saw that Rui Diaz did some kind of head-jerking thing that could be construed as a headbutt if you are inclined to see it that way. But Rito Ziegler then slaps Rui Diaz twice
00:22:08
Speaker
Then he shoves the, he kind of puts his hands on the ref, puts his hands on the AR. He takes a solid three minutes to actually leave the field.
00:22:18
Speaker
And here we are, I don't know if this is actually gonna happen or not, but supposedly F.C. Dallas is gonna challenge this red card, which I find hilarious. And the only thing I can come up with as an explanation for why they think they have any sort of case is because the only replay of the incident that they've seen is the one that was aired on Fox, which admittedly cut out Ziegler's reaction and was entirely Raul Ruida's throwing his head back.
00:22:49
Speaker
which I don't know what do you what do you come down on that is should did and I guess before I get to that it should be said that immediately after that
00:22:58
Speaker
There was two or three plays in the corner where first Christian Roldon got run over. I actually thought it might be another red card because he got perios just plowed into him. And then FC Dallas refused to give 10 yards. Ted Uncle doesn't really do much to enforce the 10 yards. Ball goes out for a corner kick. Again, FC Dallas players are refusing to give 10 yards. Again, Ted Uncle is really not doing anything to enforce the 10 yards.
00:23:26
Speaker
Another foul, rather than let this madness go on, Ted Uncle blows the whistle right at 94 minutes. The ball had been in play for, I think, 14 seconds of stoppage time.
00:23:41
Speaker
It was a kind of crazy situation. And then of course what happens is the two teams kind of come together in like two or three different incidents at midfield. The highlight of that is Will Bruin, grin on his face, just cannot wait to get into this whole thing. And of course nothing ends up happening and the players all walk up the field. But what do you make of that whole thing?
00:24:08
Speaker
Uh, I mean, it's, I feel like it's par for the course for FC Dallas. Um, they've been adjusted a genuinely unlikable team for, uh, ever. I mean, honestly, as long as it's funny. Yeah. And go back and you look at how many games you can go all the way back to 2007 when the Sounders played FC Dallas at quest field in the semi-finals of the U S open cup. That game went into overtime. And I guess there was some incident with Carlos Ruiz in that game, but I, that's not shocking.
00:24:37
Speaker
Yeah. But it seems like every time they play, there's some sort of memorable red card or, you know, that was obviously. Should have been a red card. Right. Daniel Hernandez bloodying Mike Facito in the Open Cup back in, what was that, 2011, 2012, something like that? 2011, I think. Yeah. What was it? The. The. Oh, man. Who was the team that George John was going to go play for?
00:25:06
Speaker
Uh, West Ham. Yeah. There was like, people were like West Ham reject at George John, who's of course, who's whose full family is in the stands and are like sounder season ticket holders. And then I remember the best thing about that was George John's brother, almost brawling some dude from the ECS basically. Like the guy was like, cause they were like taunting them as they were walking like to their car. And he's like, fuck you. I'm a season ticket holder.
00:25:35
Speaker
Yeah, there's been a lot of fun memories with FC Dells. Oh, FC Dells. And it's, I mean, it sucks because I want to like Wilmer Cabrera a lot. Like, I think it's teams play. Oscar Pereja. Sorry, Oscar. I like them both. Yes. I like them both. They're both good. Both of the Texas teams play good soccer, but Houston is less obnoxious. Anyway, yeah, I mean, I want to like them.
00:26:02
Speaker
They have fun players, but it's just every game, every something like this happens. Yeah. They always want to play the victim in these games. They always want to feel as though they're aggrieved. I think the challenging Ziegler's red card is a perfect example of that. Like I think they are so delusional as a collective, as an organization.
00:26:30
Speaker
to believing that they're, you know, that they're somehow put upon and victimized that, I mean, it's just, it's unbelievable, which I guess isn't shocking for a team from Dallas, Texas, but yeah, I mean, it's just, and yeah, I mean, should Rodriguez have gotten a red card by the letter of the law? Probably. If somebody punches me in the kidneys twice, I'm probably going to do something worse than lightly swing my head back at them.
00:26:57
Speaker
Um, you know, so yeah, I mean, it's one of those things where it's like, he has reason to be pissed off and try to lash out. He shouldn't because it should be a red card and we've seen it be a red card plenty of times. Um, so in this case, I'm glad that it wasn't a red card, you know? Um, do you think he gets suspended?
00:27:16
Speaker
It wouldn't shock me. I'm kind of erring on the side that I don't I don't think he will. Of course, I should say I also didn't think Dempsey was going to get added suspension. Right. The last time Sanders and Dallas played, but it's going to be an enormous shit show if he does because of the Joseph Martinez thing. And the Joseph Martinez thing was significantly more egregious. I agree.
00:27:38
Speaker
So, but, you know, we all know that with the disciplinary committee that precedent doesn't matter. So we'll see. I was actually trying to make the case that precedent shouldn't matter. And I thought that that was the craziest thing I'd ever heard. And they were basically saying they shouldn't be beholden to past bad decisions when it's the same people making the decision. It's not like it's a new court.
00:28:04
Speaker
you know like if precedent doesn't matter what are we doing here was making it we're literally just every we're just making it up as we go anyway was this Bobby Wershaw making the case no this was someone on in the center heart community uh comment section was saying that they didn't think precedent should matter i was like what probably they should just be striving to make the right place you'd probably get along pretty well with Bobby Wershaw then i guess um
00:28:28
Speaker
Yeah, I just, uh, I don't know. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets this. Yeah. He, well, his, his take on the Josie Altidore thing was the stupidest. Did you see that? No, it was, it was that early in the game. Yeah. Where Josie Altidore just straight up kicks a dude real hard in the shin when the ball's like six yards away, right in front of a rough.
00:28:49
Speaker
And Bobby Worshaw's like, yeah, is that a red card? Yeah, it probably should be. But you know what? I didn't tune in to the game on ESPN, you know, on a Sunday to watch Toronto FC play down to man. You know, I want to give you a break. And it's just like you can't believe this shit, dude. You absolutely cannot believe this. So I mean, it's like it's quite literally like saying Zidane shouldn't been thrown out of the game because. Right. Right. How do you throw Zidane from a World Cup final?
00:29:16
Speaker
Yeah, no, it's crazy. But anyway, yeah, I mean, in terms of the rest of the way everything was handled, I kind of got the impression that, yeah, Uncle should be enforcing 10 yards there, and he's a garbage referee, right? But I think he was kind of just like, I am way completely over this shit. And I think blowing the whistle right at 94 was the right decision.
00:29:39
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I actually think it was the right decision. I just think that he shouldn't have like I feel like there were things he could have done. Like at that point, all you can do is make the right decision in the moment as you know, like maybe I'm contradicting myself a little bit. But I really do think that he made the right decision, even though the reason that decision had to be made was partially his fault, partially. Yeah, I think that's fair. I think that's fair. But I think that knowing, you know,
00:30:07
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Knowing, even if you've stacked the deck against yourself knowing that the deck is stacked against you is in recognizing that is a positive thing so yeah, and I think.
00:30:19
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I don't know. I just, I, I am so tired of FC Dallas and I hope, I hope, I said that I don't think that this is another, you know, thing where they collapse. I hope I'm wrong. I hope they collapse and fall out of the playoffs again. Cause they're just, for all of the positive things about them, they're just horrifically unlikable easily. It would take a rather, I mean, they, there are 16 points ahead of us. I know. I know. I mean, I'm sure it's not going to happen.
00:30:44
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i hope it does it would be funny funny all right well that's a good place to call this a segment i think uh we're gonna come back and we're gonna take your questions which there are plenty of i can assure you you're listening to noose
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00:32:29
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Welcome back to Nos Adietes. So before we get into questions, I did have one plug I wanted to make because I think it's going to be a lot of fun. Sounder at Heart, which you hopefully are an avid reader of if you're listening to the show, is having our 10th
00:32:45
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birthday. I think the 10th, the actual 10th birthday may have already passed but we're celebrating the 10th birthday on Labor Day weekend on Sunday September 2nd at the S2 game. Dave Clark has reserved the party deck which is the the lower party deck which I guess is at field level. It's a pretty great deal actually. It's 33 bucks. It's all you can eat food. You get obviously a ticket to the game. All you can eat food
00:33:14
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All you can eat, drink. Or all you can drink, drink. All you can drink.
00:33:18
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Uh, and I, and I maybe even, I don't think beer is included in that, but it don't hold me to that. There's a post on it that explains all that, but it should be a lot of fun. Uh, we'll hopefully have some special guests. Uh, the doors open at noon, the games at one 30, uh, at the very least you'll get a chance to meet a lot of sounder heart readers. Uh, hopefully no study at this listeners, but, uh, please do come over there. Uh, Aaron and I are both planning to attend. I, I don't know if Lickett is going to be able to be bothered to follow the way to Tacoma, but.
00:33:48
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Last night time. Aaron, are you going? Are you going to the scene? Yeah, I'm planning to go. I don't think it should be a problem. OK, good. Anyway, so that's my plug. You should be able to buy it through Sounder at Heart. There's a post on Sounder at Heart that takes you there. But yeah, September 2nd, S2 game. Should be fun. Lick it. You want to go ahead and take away other questions?
00:34:16
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Sure. Since I'm not going to bother, I got a coma. Tom Glantz asks, will we lose another game in 2018? If so, which one? OK, go ahead. So I, in my post about mapping a path to the playoffs,
00:34:38
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way back on July 30, no, that was when I updated it. It looked July 13th, something like that, that I made this post. I thought that the next time the Sounders could afford to lose, now granted, I didn't necessarily think they would be where they are right now. They can probably afford to lose before now, then. But the only game, honestly, the only game that's on their schedule that I think they're gonna be decided underdogs in is the LA Galaxy match in LA on September 23rd. I don't necessarily think they will
00:35:08
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not losing it, like I don't necessarily think that they're gonna go unbeaten all through the season, but I don't think there's a lot of games on the, there just is not a lot of games on the schedule that I think that they are prohibitive underdogs in.
00:35:23
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Yeah, I mean, I don't think it would be a shock if they lost to Portland next weekend. Portland's a tough team, especially at home, but I don't expect them to. I think I'm even more, a little more optimistic about that galaxy game. Like I think Portland is a tougher team to play in the galaxy. That could be. It might just be my desire to win the Cascadia Cup after not winning it for a little while.
00:35:46
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Could be. Well, and yeah, I mean, the Portland game is a little more interesting in the matchup because the teams are so similar in the way they approach games. But I mean, I think it's entirely plausible that they don't lose again the rest of the regular season. I don't think it's likely. I wouldn't be shocked if one of the losses is just a
00:36:08
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you know, a brain fart against a team where we're not really expecting them to lose to. And that's the only loss. I mean, I think RSL last year was we played RSL away right in the middle of that run and
00:36:20
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and lost. And I think that that put us back into like sixth or something at the time. And it was late, late in the season and people started kind of freaking out a little bit about that. So I wouldn't be shocked if there's another game like that. But yeah, I mean, they could go undefeated the rest of the way. Portland hadn't lost since April before this weekend. So it's not like it's unprecedented for teams to go on unbeaten runs that long.
00:36:47
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So yeah, I'm feeling, I'm feeling by the way, LA, Colorado tied zero zero 40th minute. Wow. I think, uh, dos Santos got hurt too. The good one, not the bad one. The good one. Well, the, not as bad one, the DP one. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you look at the rest of their road games. They're at Portland. They're at Vancouver. I mean, Vancouver is another team who you never know with them.
00:37:15
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they they've actually had some really impressive performances but anyway at LA at Orlando and at Houston I mean none of those road games even are unwinnable games but anywho all right moving on
00:37:41
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I am 323 asks, are we seriously doing this again? How do we keep crapping the bed for five months and then playing like world leaders for three months? How's this pattern possibly repeatable?
00:37:53
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uh i used to think that it wasn't um i don't know anymore man i mean i i don't think i know right for a fact that they're not saying and who cares what happens we'll fix it by the time the the players hate it i guarantee i tell you undeniable players do not enjoy going through this
00:38:13
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Schmetzer, I'm sure, has to hate it even more. Yeah. You know, I'm sure Garth hates it. I don't think anyone likes it. No, no. But it still happens a lot. And so, you know, it's kind of like, I don't know. I mean, I do think that the front office is good at identifying players that are going to help improve the team and improve the team in the ways that they really need to be improved. I think Ledera was a great example of that, where
00:38:41
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I think that they really did, you know, see the kind of specific kind of impact he was going to have on the team. So I think that's a big part of it. I mean, I think they know. I think you could look at Kelvin Lirdham last year too, where I think I was on record as saying, if you're going to bring in another player, why are you going to bring in a
00:39:00
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cam right back right when Brad Evans is getting healthy. Turns out, that was a huge addition. It was a very important addition. I don't think that they're an MLS Cup final without Kelvin Leardham. Yeah, probably not. Who knows? Maybe that's exactly what we're gonna be saying about Brad Smith when he showed up on the radar. It was like, why are you going to get another left back? We have Waylon Francis and New Who. Well, New Who at least.
00:39:27
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Yes, nobody. I don't think anybody was thinking about William Francis, but I agree. But anyway, yeah. OK, Cork Northwest asks a new who three part question is ready. One, is he a flight risk?
00:39:46
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Two, should I get a choo choo jersey as planned or wait? Three, Brad Smith is real good. That's actually just a two part question. Yeah. Uh, I don't think so. I will say that Brian Smitzer addressed this on prompt, like basically unprompted. He said about the whole situation around new, which, um, best to my reporting, I can.
00:40:14
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confirm the story that Jeff Baker broke right around the time of the game, which was basically that New Who had a very poor reaction to feedback coaches were giving him during halftime in the Minnesota game, and the Sounders didn't feel like he was in a head space to go out on the field for the second half.
00:40:34
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Felt like you needed to take a week off. And that's what's going on, whether or not you want to call that disciplinary. I don't know. Apparently branch branch measure is doesn't want to call it disciplinary. That's fine, but I can.
00:40:50
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uh confidently say that that's actually what happened and beyond that um i don't i guess he's not for sale right now like i think you can go get a choo choo jersey and i think you're gonna be okay at least for the rest of the year i feel like that i have the um the hot take opinion on this whole thing where
00:41:14
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I like Brad Smith a lot. I think he makes us better. Um, I'm, I might've underestimated how much better he makes us. We'll see. Um, he certainly looked real, real good, uh, you know, against Dallas, but I, I think because he's only going to be around until mid season next year, most likely it's possible that that's not the case. It's possible. I think there's a good chance that you're right, that he's gone when the loans up.
00:41:39
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Right. And so I'm sure the plan is to say, Hey, let's give new here a year where he's not the expected starter, where he can, you know, um, there's not as much pressure on him. We can work with them on specific things, blah, blah, blah. I'm sure that's the thought process, but I think that players that are at his skill level.
00:41:59
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and at his sort of phase of development need to be playing. And he's not going to play as much. And if he is playing every week, maybe it's at S2. And I think he's above that level. So I don't think, I think you, early in the show, I think you probably nailed the best case scenario, which is new who comes back, his head space is in the right place.
00:42:28
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They put them on the field. He starts at left back. Brad Smith starts at left mid. Victor Rodriguez starts at the right or whatever, however you set them up. And, and then you, you push Osvaldo Alonzo to the bench potentially, and you have a Roldan, Svensson, Midfield, and Lidero in the middle.
00:42:49
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And, uh, I think that's probably a best case scenario for how the sounders see this all playing out. And probably I think that's their hope for how they open the season next year. Probably like that's the vision they have, whether or not, I don't, I don't know that that vision will be fully implemented this year. Partly because I think Alonzo is probably going to get a very strong benefit of the doubt until he.
00:43:14
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clearly should not be on the field. I think for a variety of reasons that aren't necessarily all on field reasons, I think Alonzo is probably going to be starting. I think that probably is a decision that Schmitters made, partly because he thinks it's probably better for the locker room. But I think next year, I think next year, probably we do see a lot of Brad Smith and New Who left sides.
00:43:40
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I will say that it's very, very interesting that Clint Dempsey appears to have accepted his new role without much of a peep. Looks generally, you know, pretty happy on the bench. And, you know, in contrast with what what you just said about locker room issues and Alonzo starting, I think that's an interesting. I mean, that's that's my admittedly that's conjecture and I'm taking a guess, but I feel pretty confident that there's at least some element of that going on here.
00:44:08
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Yeah, that's just an interesting thing to think about. Yeah, I agree. I hear you. I think we answered the questions, Lincoln. Yeah.
00:44:23
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Yeah. Uh, I was talking on mute is, is, I, it was my best question is answer, uh, segment ever. Uh, there's three people asked similar questions. So I'm just going to give them credit and then kind of ask what they're generally asking. Uh, Zach Lewis inter-piercing all in mere Shimer, all ask about basically what's the best way to get Rui Diaz involved.
00:44:50
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Yeah, I mean, I think that this is probably the question that the center is going to have to answer. And my hope is that just by getting Victor Rodriguez
00:45:02
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on the field that that's going to be a big part of just unlocking his potential. Like you just put another dangerous offensive player on the field, not to say that Harry Shipp is not a dangerous offensive player, but I think Victor Rodriguez is, I'm going to go on a limb and say Victor Rodriguez is a more dangerous offensive player. He is making five times as much money.
00:45:23
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Yeah I mean my hope is that that's kind of the answer but I mean anecdotally it does seem like the 4-4-2 has played very well or at least maybe not the 4-4-2 but the two forward set has treated the sounders very well and it's limited exposure. Yeah but then you're in a situation where if something happens to one of the two forwards you're back to having one forward with one marinade close your back up so
00:45:51
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I don't know, I just feel really uncomfortable playing the 4-4-2. It'd be really nice if they had an attacking midfield player that maybe didn't offer a ton in the way of speed or maybe wasn't the hardest working on defense, but with somebody that even the coaching staff had identified as somebody that was really good at playing balls in behind, it'd be really nice.
00:46:14
Speaker
I think to try to get Rudy Diaz involved. But I mean, yeah, those are really hard to find. Oh, you. Oh, you. Do you think on a related note, do you think I do kind of want to see Clint Dempsey and Rudy Diaz on the field together? I do, too. I mean, it's it's weird that that we haven't seen it at all. No, I kind of feel like that might be like it's the solution that we've never that we don't even think about at this point. Like I don't like.
00:46:43
Speaker
I think like I still think Clint Dempsey has a few goals in him and I'm really hoping that we get to see a little bit of Rui Diaz and Dempsey together and and who know I mean how funny would it be if that ends up being like oh shit they're really good together
00:47:00
Speaker
The thing that's weird to me is that I don't think Dempsey was at any point any worse than, and I'm not, I swear to God, I'm not trying to pick on Alonzo here, but was not any worse than Alonzo was for like the first four games after he came back from injury. And so it's just bizarre to me that he seems to have just completely fallen off the map. I mean, part of it, I'm sure, is that they just haven't needed goals late, except for, I guess, against Minnesota. But it's just, yeah, you would expect him to get a minute.
00:47:30
Speaker
You know, I mean he has I mean we're to take them at the face at face value that this there's a lower backs issue going on that Yeah, maybe he's just not like this is a good excuse to let him get fully healthy And I mean, I definitely hope that's true and and I don't see any reason to doubt them on that Okay Andy Fred will ask will we seize latin plane versus Seattle can our defense lock him down or should we just try for a 3-2 victory I have faith
00:48:01
Speaker
I don't think he I think he's playing tonight. I think he's starting. He's starting tonight. Yeah. So I don't think he's I don't think he's even coming to see. I don't maybe maybe he comes. I don't know. But he's I'd be shocked if he starts. I would be a little surprised. I have to imagine that as much as. He doesn't seem like he's fully committed to being an L.A. galaxy like.
00:48:29
Speaker
no less so than Dempsey was his first year, right? And I would think that he would at least travel. And I could see how he doesn't start. That wouldn't shock me, especially he's got some legitimate injury concerns, and I could see how he's freaked out about playing on turf, especially CenturyLink, I suppose, which is fine. But God, you'd think just to support the team and to be available for a late sub,
00:48:58
Speaker
you'd think he'd travel. That said, I would think he would. I mean, if he doesn't, that seems to be pretty damning in terms of his commitment to, you know, wait until you've tracked back and tackled a guy at midfield to save the game. I would think that. I agree. I love Zlatan, but that's why I wouldn't want him on my team, right?
00:49:25
Speaker
You know, it's crazy. He's on pace to have like the greatest scoring season in MLS history. And I feel like no one really even like the greatest offensive season on a per 90 basis, like goals and assists. And I feel like really anyone even talks about it.
00:49:42
Speaker
Well, because Joseph Martinez is playing every game and is going to score like 60 goals. Right. I mean, and that's fair, but like, I think that like Zlatan might have a decent case for MVP. If LA finishes in the, you know, top four, especially when you look at how bad they were when he joined them. I think that if Zlatan actually gave a shit as much as like Wayne Rooney did, he would be
00:50:05
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The best of all time how crazy like like I seriously was very like my opinion of Wayne Rooney was transformed in a span of like 30 seconds I've never understood why people hate him so much. He's the best. He's He's this like ugly stocky bald dude that smoke cigarettes And is like 60 years old despite being like 32. He does not look well. I
00:50:31
Speaker
No, he doesn't. But he like he busts his ass every game. And that was amazing. Yeah. It was amazing. Just pull out them like and players like that. Like, yeah, I mean, he was the biggest, like top five biggest star in the world three years ago, four years ago. And I just like I don't think that he's capable of not trying to do shit like that.
00:50:56
Speaker
I mean, I'm still like thinking about it and I'm just, it was, and that ball, I mean, I don't wanna get too far off topic. The ball he hits is so perfectly hit. The tackle is perfectly timed that it was against Will Johnson. Oh, it's so perfect. It's so perfect. He's great. Anyway, also wouldn't want him on my team either. No, I wouldn't either.
00:51:25
Speaker
All right. You guys kind of touched on this a little bit. We'll ask it anyways. 80206 asks, are we going to wait until the summer 2019 window to fill the DP spot, which presumably will be vacated by Dempsey? Or will we make that signing before the season?
00:51:42
Speaker
I think the Sounders are gonna put in an honest effort to find someone, but here's the thing, and I think this is how they get into this situation, and for better or for worse, I just don't think they're willing to compromise on the quality of player they're gonna bring in. Like, if they feel like they can honestly get, like, I guarantee what happened this last winter, they were trying to get, they were trying to get Rui Diaz last winter. They put in a bid for him.
00:52:11
Speaker
They were basically told, look, we're not going to sell them until the end of the year. After the after the end of the year, we will absolutely sell them, but we're not going to. And as soon as they realized that they could get a player like Raul Rui Diaz.
00:52:25
Speaker
just didn't it was like the effort was just they weren't gonna they weren't gonna go to a backup plan if they knew they could get rue ideas in summer they weren't gonna sign someone who wasn't as good as rue ideas before then and i think that's probably the exact same mentality that they're gonna go like and i'm not here to say that it's the right one i'm just i i tend to think that that's probably what they're gonna do i think it's the right one
00:52:49
Speaker
until you continuously shit the bed at the start of the season. Right. Well, I guess that's the thing, right? So if they don't do that next year, is it results-based? Yeah, sure. But I mean, it's results-based this year. You're not taking the contacts, all the bad luck they had with injuries and whatnot. So yeah, I think it is the right decision until it's not, I guess, is the inelegant way to put that.
00:53:16
Speaker
All right, a bomb idiot asks rolled on as a tough kid, but playing every minute of every game has to be taxing. Can you circle a game on the schedule when they might be able to give them a break? No.
00:53:29
Speaker
Yeah, I don't, sorry, sorry, Christian. Yeah, you're gonna have to, you're gonna have to fall off. I mean, he does play every minute of every game, but MLS plays a 34 game season. It's not a ton of games. There's some pretty decent breaks in there. He's been in the league for a while. I think it's reasonable to expect him to hold up pretty well for that. It's not, you know, it's not like the English lower divisions where they're playing 46 games. And it should be said also that
00:53:59
Speaker
even include like they only had to play one he didn't play any open cup games that's you know if you can bemoan being knocked out of the open cup but that's you know that is a thing that's a real thing that uh is saving legs like i don't know that the sounders would build going on these runs if they were making deep runs in the open cup at the same time i don't know that it was a coincidence that the 2016 runs started as soon as they went out of the open cup uh i'm not saying that they can't do two things at once because they've done them in the past but
00:54:29
Speaker
It doesn't hurt late in the season to have played fewer non-league games. Uh, but yeah, he played what he, I guess he played four champions league games that were all early in the season. I think he's a tough kid and my suspicion is that if he's not holding an injury that is significant enough to force him out of the game, he's going to play every game. That's totally my expectation.
00:54:57
Speaker
I think it's fine. I think that's a big problem. He's not playing two games a week. Most weeks. Most weeks. Let's put it this way. I don't know exactly how many weeks are left in the season, but my suspicion is that the average is not more than one. It's barely over one. They might have one or two game weeks, but they also have a couple of buys. Yep. No, I'm with you.
00:55:24
Speaker
When you had time, my dog might start barking. So Stefan Hoggins asks, I know that we shouldn't rely on other results, but who should we be rooting across the league? It's tough because like everybody is ahead of us. So.
00:55:43
Speaker
It kind of depends on whether your primary concern is just making the playoffs or whether you feel like they can get up to the fourth or third or fourth. They're really a lot closer to third than I thought they were. Jesus. Although Portland has two games in hand. So yeah. Anyway, I mean, obviously, the Galaxy, LAFC, I think it's good to root against them. RSL for sure.
00:56:11
Speaker
But I think rooting for draws is always a good way to go. Yeah, I mean, I would say that as far as rooting interests go, I think that anyone in the top five are teams you should be actively rooting against. Anyone else below that, I think, is less of a concern to me. Right. Like, I'm not saying that, like, the Sounders can literally play even with RSL at this point.
00:56:40
Speaker
And they'll be fine. Well, no. Because they're behind RSL. So if they play even with them. No, they play even with them with their game in hand. I mean, if they assume. I forgot they had a game in hand. Yeah. So they. I think the sounders would potentially have a tiebreak on RSL because it's not head to head, thank God. Right. But anyway, I think that's where you're you want to break it down in a simple way.
00:57:10
Speaker
Like, I guess you can root for Dallas. Yeah. Dallas. I think you're okay to root for Dallas the rest of the way because especially because I think they're beatable on the playoffs. And so if they have a high seed, you know, you can root for Dallas, but Kansas City, LAFC, galaxy. Those are the three teams, especially that I think you need to be rooting hard against.
00:57:31
Speaker
Like for instance, you probably want, do you want, uh, Dallas to beat Minnesota or to tie Minnesota? Fine with them beating. They can beat Minnesota. Especially cause if they win these games now, um, well, no, that nevermind where I was going makes no sense. So just ignore it.
00:57:55
Speaker
Matt Latsinka asks, who are the most justifiably pompous teams in MLS, EPL, World Cup? I guess you could probably just choose one of the three. That was a great quote. I just want to say this mysterious person who gave me that quote, who I'm guessing most people could figure out if they spent any time thinking about it, but
00:58:17
Speaker
I did not technically get it on the record, and so I'm not going to pretend that it's on the record. Maybe someday that person will come on our podcast and we can ask them about it. Maybe they'll want to repeat it. But who are the... I mean, I think LA is just... You have the history of LA. You have Zlatan. You get to be arrogant, I think. I think Atlanta is okay. I think it's okay for Atlanta to be
00:58:45
Speaker
No, they haven't won anything. I think it's okay for them to be arrogant, but I think it's okay for everyone to hate them for being arrogant. Yes, that's a good way of putting it. I think Toronto, it's okay. Toronto could be more arrogant than they are. They probably could afford a little extra arrogance. New York City FC, that's a good one. Can New York City FC be, can they afford to be arrogant? No. If you're a farm team that plays in a baseball stadium, you don't get to be arrogant. I don't care who plays for you.
00:59:15
Speaker
Can the sound, let me ask you this, can the sounders, have the sounders earn the right to be arrogant? Yes, we killed soccer. Yeah. I think the sounders have, I agree. I think that the sounders, I mean, if Atlanta is the new sounders and Atlanta has the right to be arrogant, then for sure. And I think the fact that there's a new team
00:59:38
Speaker
that, uh, everybody gets to hate for being arrogant because they haven't earned it yet. That means that people can't hate us for being arrogant anymore. That's the way it works. Oh, it's like the, you know, I have an interesting observation for you. I'm looking at the box score for the Colorado game. Colorado has 60% of the possession on the road against LA. Maybe our win over Colorado was better than I thought it was, or did Colorado suddenly get good in the last couple of months?
01:00:08
Speaker
You got Kellen Acosta. That's true. I still can't believe that happened. It's fucking crazy. What was the rest of the question? The other countries that get to be arrogant. France gets to be arrogant. Italy gets to be arrogant.
01:00:30
Speaker
I feel like England gets to be arrogant, Scotland too. Scotland gets to be arrogant? They invented the game. So what? I think if you invent a game, you get to be arrogant about it. No. No. Come on. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. Scotland cannot be arrogant about it.
01:00:52
Speaker
They can't be arrogant about like their success as a national team at least like No, but I mean I feel like if like the world has the thing because of you you can be and the Netherlands be near the Netherlands reinvented the game practically Yeah on that note like they were orange though. So how can Scotland be arrogant about inventing soccer since we invented it in 2009? We invented soccer
01:01:22
Speaker
Oh, I think that's the distinction. Got it. Got it. I don't think you can be. I don't I feel like in England, that's it's. I think they can be arrogant about their place in the lake. In the game, you know, I think city might be the only team that can really be arrogant, though. No, because they bought everything. Oh, so you can't be arrogant if you buy everything. I mean,
01:01:49
Speaker
It's a dumb one because, yeah, like you should be able to. They're the best team in England by far. But they, I mean, it's the whole like, well, you don't have any history and you're only rich because of your owners and blah, blah, blah, that kind of thing. I'm fine. I'm fine with it. But most people would say they shouldn't. They shouldn't be arrogant about it. Real Madrid. Real Madrid can be arrogant. Yeah. I mean, that's their brand. That's their entire identity. That's their whole thing. Right. OK. And Barcelona should be. But
01:02:20
Speaker
They can't because their brains won't allow them to be here again. Yeah, they're humble. Very humble. Club. Sorry, not club. Meskaven Club.
01:02:31
Speaker
making the the jerk jerk off motion right now we're talking about this okay bill jones str pt asks uh what response should we expect from the discipline disciplinary committee after the wwf ask ending to sunday's game also which sounders are our best wwf potential characters
01:02:55
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Well, Roman Torres has, yeah, he's no way Jose. If you've never, seriously, if you've never heard of no way Jose, Google no way Jose and tell me that that's not, that's why Roman is not starting is because he's busy on Mondays. Could be right. I think that Marshall could be the undertaker.
01:03:21
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Will Bruin has to be... Is Will Bruin like the Miz or something like that? Yeah, I can see that. I can see that. Arieship's Jimmy Superfly Stuka. Yeah. Raul Ruidias does have the body type of a cruiserweight lucha type guy. I was thinking he could be like Coco Beware. Yeah. Chad Marshall can break his neck in practice by giving him a bad tombstone.
01:03:52
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Uh, Brian Schmetzer is not, uh, but he can be like a like, no, he's like million dollar man. Brian Schmetzer. No, he's not. Oh, I can totally see it. Actually, he would be like, uh, like Paul Heyman or something. Yeah. You'd be like the manager guy, right? One of the manager guys.
01:04:16
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Have I given it a way that I, other than the Miz, that my knowledge of wrestling is completely bound to mid-80s? Maybe Bruin could be... Bruin could be... What's his name? Ric Flair. He could seem to have a woo. He does have that sort of cocky heel thing, but a heel that everybody likes. That's what I thought.
01:04:45
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Go ahead. Oh, he's this was Superman. So he says, oh, OK. Jordan Morrison probably is John Cena. No, because John Cena never John Cena never gets injured. And when he does, he comes back way sooner than he should. So he can't. He's more like. Yeah, but all the kids like him. Well, all the kids do like him, but.
01:05:12
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You know, they like him because he never gives up and never surrenders. I don't know who anybody is anymore. Apparently that's the thing is that everybody is some other guy in my brain, except for wrestlers who I still have an encyclopedic knowledge of somehow.
01:05:34
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Okay, moving on. Blue82vdub asks, any space left on the bandwagon? My broken ankle is now healed from jumping off in May and I want back on. You can never jump off this bandwagon. I can't even... It's like kind of amazing to me that Sounders fans saw the... I mean, don't get me wrong, I thought they were gonna miss the playoffs. But how can you just give up hope after what we've been through the last few years?
01:06:02
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I, so I intellectually recognize that they probably weren't going to make the playoffs, but I genuinely like emotionally never really felt like they weren't going to make the playoffs and I'm not like saying that to brag at all, just like to try to like illustrate what you're saying of like,
01:06:18
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Yeah, of course. I mean, they always make the playoffs, right? Right. But I don't blame anybody for not watching them for all that time that they were garbage. I think it's great. Welcome back. I'm glad you got something better to do with your time than I did. Yeah, for sure. Killing Kosta having a rough time. Oh, yeah, he's puking. Oh, my God. Oh, thanks. Good. Good podcast. Oh, my God. Don't watch this. Oh, that's not good. No.
01:06:48
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We're watching, oh boy. So if you're recording the LA Colorado game and you decide to watch it during, listening to this podcast, don't watch it. Oh my God. It looks like he's throwing up milk. It's pretty gnarly. That does not look good. Anyway, moving on from Kellan custom comedy. Okay, Jim CKMS, did you ever think you'd see Chad Marshall's goofy smiling face on the same MLS team of the week with Wayne Rooney?
01:07:19
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Oh, I love that Chad Marshall, uh, use that as like, that they use that as his official mugshot. I, there's this whole side of Chad Marshall that I feel like is only now we're starting to get like glimpses of that. I feel like needs to be brought out into the like sunshine. Yeah. He's a, he's like, he's, he, I feel like he's more self-aware than any professional athlete has ever been.
01:07:48
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You know what's crazy to me? People in Columbus, reporters in Columbus, genuinely did not like dealing with him. And I can't, for the life of me, like I think I intellectually understand it because I could see how his kind of affect could not jive with some reporters. And like, if you're looking for him to like be the guy who talks every day, he's not going to do that for you. But man, I think he's great.
01:08:17
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He's probably had all the best quotes in his career this season, this past month. Probably. He might also just be happier not living in Columbus anymore. That could be. That's a decent shout. A-bomb88 has another question. Now that the summer window has closed, how much focus can Garth put into improving the esports team?
01:08:43
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Jason flick-a-fly flick did poorly for the sounders at the FIFA World eWorld Cup and was missing action at the All-Star weekend. We need an active streamer and good FIFA player. Yeah, that's that's an embarrassment. How are we have a bad that's how is that acceptable? We can't be having bad FIFA players representing sounders. Yeah, you think they are they like professionals? Yeah, I think so.
01:09:07
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I don't think they pay them. Well, I think it depends. Like teams that have official esports departments, like PSG I think has one and Manchester City have one. They definitely pay those guys. But I don't know if the Sounders paid their guy, but maybe they paid for him to go to the tournament or whatever. Yeah, probably. It wouldn't be hard, I feel like, to
01:09:33
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Just go on YouTube and search like skill moves or whatever. Give that guy a call. You can probably do okay. We can probably do it for you. Yeah, I don't have time for that. Yeah, that's why. That's why you don't want to do it. I got mouths to feed over here. Yeah. Last question, very important question. Zag08 asks, would you ever let an interview keep you from eating pizza?
01:10:03
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Man, that was hilarious. I gotta tell you, I did not realize that, uh, that Christian was holding a piece of pizza behind his back. I mean, it was like a 10 minute interview that he was like, and it was like, it went from one person to the next. And I felt bad cause I, he had just stopped being interviewed by someone else. And I like, Hey Christian, you have a few minutes. And then that started like a whole new, like a bunch of people came over and gave like a whole other session. And then I realized like he's got this pizza behind his back.
01:10:31
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And then at the end of the interview, he just kind of took it out. It's like, yeah, I'm waiting to eat. Do you think there's any chance he did it on purpose? Yeah, for sure. Like that he just thought it was really funny to do it. I wouldn't put it past him. I'm going to go with that because that's the most endearing. I mean, the whole like, there's no way it can't be endearing because he's patiently holding his pizza pie on his back while he's being interviewed. But if he's doing it on purposes a bit, then that's
01:11:00
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That's the best of all possible worlds. Much better story. Yeah. All right. Well, that's it. Uh, thanks to everyone for doing the show with us. Let's see if we can end this season on a strong note here at no study at this. Uh, I'll give you another plug for the center at heart 10th birthday, September 2nd in Tacoma. Uh, thanks to our sponsors.
01:11:27
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