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Magnolia Parks Universe Deep Dive w/ @kimmybookss | S2Ep14
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SPOILERS FOR THE ENTIRE MAGNOLIA PARKS UNIVERSE SERIES BY JESSA HASTINGS! IF YOU HAVE NOT READ MAGNOLIA PARKS, DAISY HAITES, MP: THE LONG WAY HOME, & DH: THE GREAT UNDOING YOU WILL BE SPOILED FOR THE ENTIRE SERIES. THIS IS YOUR FIRST WARNING!
This week we're joined by the one and only Kimmy from @kimmybookss to recap the Magnolia Parks Universe by Jessa Hastings. We reveal our favorite characters, the scenes that will stick with us for the rest of our lives, and bond over all the pain the series has caused us. We couldn't talk about this series without spoiling everything so we spoil everything!
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Transcript
Introduction and Excitement
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Hahahahaha!
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The moment we've all been waiting for, since literally we started this podcast. It is our Magnolia Parks episode, you guys. Welcome to Bring Your Own, a catch-all bookish most of the time podcast. I'm Brandi. I'm Kendra. I'm Kayla. And I just want to let everybody know that we didn't know that that was going to happen. That was not for any reason. I've been feeling all morning since I woke up. I was like, oh,
Guest Introduction: Kimmy from 'At Kimmy Books'
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my God.
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But today we have with us one of our very best friends and somebody who went on this Magnolia Park's journey with us. We are so, so, so excited joining us for the podcast, Kimmy from At Kimmy Books.
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Welcome, Kate. Kate is a bookish content creator. She has like the best romance recs for like literally every situation. She's an audio girly, like a recent audio girly, right? Yeah, I started last year, yeah.
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Yeah, and she reads like every genre, so she's the best if you don't follow her already. It's at Kimmy Books with two S's on Instagram and TikTok, so you should go follow her immediately. Welcome, Kimmy! Thanks for having me. That was a really warm welcome. Oh my gosh, we're so excited. She's feeling the love. But before we jump in, let's talk what we're reading,
Current Reads and Drinks
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what we're drinking. We're going to try and go quick through this portion because we have a lot to say about the MPU. So Kimmy, as our guest, what are you currently reading? What are you currently drinking?
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Okay y'all know I read a lot of books so or at once so I'm listening to the duchess effects I'm listening to the stud next door I'm reading collide by Val I don't know how to pronounce the last name I am reading the last book in the Bergman Brothers series as an arc
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And then I am also reading Sealed by Laura Pavlov. And then I am drinking water because it's only ten years. Oh my goodness. Wow. That was a lot. Yeah, it was a lot. All the next. I have a delicious grande iced chai latte with me this morning. Had to grab something because yeah, this is a recording this in the morning.
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If this was at night, I would be drinking, shut up. I would be drinking something. Cause I needed to get through, I would need it to get through this. Um, but I, I'm currently, well, I guys, I'm not doing too well. I just finished the great undoing. Daisy hits the great undoing on audio like an hour ago. You're crazy.
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That was so rough, you guys. That was one of the roughest audio books I think I've ever listened to in my life. But I mean, that in a good way. It was really, really good, especially that last hour I almost passed out.
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So I don't know what I'm going to read next.
Book Recommendations and Comparisons
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I have absolutely no idea. So at the moment, I don't have anything. You should listen to Therapicious Games. It's not on Libby. It's not on my Libby, which is so sad. I just finished it off. It's really good. It's like thriller and suspense. And it's like a mix of like squid games and get out and The Bachelor all at once. It's wild. It was such a wild time. Oh my gosh. I did an ad for that.
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really yeah you're describing i'm like i use that description i haven't read it though that's so funny yeah you should read it it's really good i mean the audio was really really good it was just like wild from start to finish it was just really well done and i love how it ended and then i just picked up sammy espanosa's last review
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which I'm very excited about on audio. Me too. But I also am re-listening to the fine print or like listening to it for the first time as a re-read because after our interview with Lauren last week, I've just been like missing all those characters. So that's what I am currently reading and I have a Cornwall Latte.
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Love. I am currently listening to Family Lore by Elizabeth Acevedo. I have no clue what's going on but I am really enjoying it. It's so well written as everything that she does. It's also my first audiobook of hers. I only read her physically. I kind of wish I read this physically too because it is a lot. And then I'm also physically reading with an actual physical book In the Weeds by B.K. Morrison.
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Finally, finally. It's because I read Love, Light, Farms. It was cute. I like this a lot more. Oh, sorry Kimmy. And then I'm currently drinking a coffee that I made at home.
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Amazing. All right. We're going to dive straight
Magnolia Parks Elevator Pitch
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in. So we have a couple sections that we're going to start with, but basically we're going to be moving chronologically. So we're going to be moving through MP1 and DH1 and then MP2 and DH2. But before we do all of that, Kendra, can you give us just a series overview? If you had to elevate or pitch this to somebody, what would you tell them that this is about?
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I would love to. So the Magnolia Parks universe consists of, it just follows rich young adults living in London. It's often described as like Gossip Girl but in London and it just follows their messy love lives. You have rich people doing rich things, rich people doing messy things.
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rich people doing illegal things. There is there are some gangs in this book, which I just didn't expect until we
Spoilers and Series Comparisons
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got there. But yeah, you have the series is split into two. So you follow Magnolia Parks and then you have Daisy hates. Each book takes place at the same time, but from different characters points of view. So in all the Magnolia Parks books, you'll get Magnolia's point of view and BJ's point of view. And then in the Daisy hates books, you get three points of views, which is Daisy hates.
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her brother Julian hates, and then Christian hymns. And you just go from there. We want to preface this episode saying that it's going to be spoilers left and right. So if you have not read, I think it's time you got to dip out right now. You can't even say for our rankings because everything we're going to say is a spoiler. But we love this series. And if you're here and you're listening and you've already read it, then buckle up because it's going to be a fun time recapping this. I have a question for you guys before we start.
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Because I know my answer to this, this series often gets compared to the Addicted series just in the fact that it's rich kids doing rich things. Which one do you like more? I like Magnolia Parks now. I used to say that it was really hard for me because the Addicted series was finished. We got all the happy endings. I felt like a warm hug. But I do think that the writing
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in Magnolia Parks is superior. The feelings that I got reading the Addicted series, I love that series so fucking much, but Magnolia Parks was another level. I have not stopped thinking about those books for a year and a half. Yeah, I agree. Same sentiment.
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I agree 100%. I love the Addicted series, but they both give you a good amount of pain, but Jessa Hastings is a poet. So I'm reading poetry and I'm getting my pain. And I feel like I like that form a little better. Yeah. At least it's pretty pain. Yeah, exactly. Pretty pain. I like that. Jessa is a poet, a very evil poet who hates us. Nasty. Oh my gosh.
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She got beef with me. Brandi, Kendra, and I all read the series in August of last year. I read it on Hoopla, because it was on Hoopla at the time. So I got to read them for free, because I remember the audiobooks were like astronomically expensive, or not the audiobooks, the e-books were. But I read them all on Hoopla, and I think we all read them together in like a group chat. And we read them. So on a whim. We read them so. Yeah. And it was like, you guys want to read this? Let's try it. And then we're like, yeah, sure.
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And we read them so quickly. I think we read Magnolia Parks in two days. We read Daisy hates in one day. And this was also like we read these books a week, I think it was a week or two after The Long Way Home had just come out. So it was like right at the time when that book was brand new. And so it was it was crazy. And Kimmy read them very shortly after, right? Like literally like weeks after that. We were like, yeah. Kimmy either read them in September and I like did a
Reading Order and Character Development
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live. I still have like the folder on my Instagram.
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If I want a good laugh, I go through those live reactions. That's so funny. Oh my gosh. I was being tossed emotionally that, oh my gosh. Yeah. We got all of Kimmy's updates. It was so much fun. It was a lot of fun. It was also like, and we'll talk more about this, but Kimmy and I share almost 100% of opinions on this series. So it was so validating for her to read this right after. I was kind of beefing with Kendra the entire time we were reading, and then Kayla rides the line.
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But Kimmy was like 100% in agreement with me. It was, it felt so fucking good. I remember exactly where I was when you were reading, when you were studying live reacts for Daisy Hates when I was in a Best Buy parking lot listening to your voice numbers. I was like, yes!
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We do want to also mention before we kind of dive into nitty gritty that like the reading order of the series is super important. You need to read Magnolia parts one and then Daisy hates one and then Magnolia parts two and then Daisy hates two.
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all you bitches want to skip daisy hates and it's not okay so don't stress people that do that it's weird i just like i don't you know skip the best character yeah i like oh whoa hang on i'll give that to you
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Uh oh. So it's just like super important that you read all the books because like you get like like Kendra said earlier like you get the same events but they are like radically different because Jess is so good at making internal monologues of characters like very specific to that character so how one character perceives an interaction is so different than how another character perceives that interaction and it's it's just so important to the story development and you learn so much about the characters you're not getting POVs from
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in other books.
Favorite Characters and Perspectives
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You learn so much about Magnolia in Daisy Hates. It's vital. So please make sure you read the reporter. Absolutely. Let's start with some rankings. Kimmy, will you go first? Can you tell us your favorite character of the series overall period? Yeah, Christian Ems. Christian Ems. I love him so much, I get him. And I know Kendra's fighting in the corner, but that's OK.
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I love him, girl. He's lying. What about you, Kendra? Who's your favorite character overall? Overall, it's a tie. I think it would be a tie between Julian and BJ. I'll let you have it.
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Thank you. Cause I have some ties as well. So I have some ties too. Okay. Um, I'm not going to do a tie for this one, but I will reserve my right to tie for another question. We know what's crazy is like, if you had told me that this would be my favorite character after the first three books, I would have been like, that's crazy. But truly after the fourth book, Julian hates is now my favorite character. You scared me for a second.
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So Juliet, it's my favorite. And like I said, I'm riding the high of just finishing Daisy hates two again. So like he's like forefront mind right now. Like, yeah. My favorite character is also Christian Hems. I was remember reading Daisy hates one chapter 40. I was like, this man is my number one book boyfriend for life. Like I look so bad. It hurts. Like it makes me want to claw my skin off. I love him so bad. OK, Kimmy, favorite book in the series.
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Oh, Daisy hates to the great undoing. That book is so good. Yeah, mine is also Daisy hates to the great undoing. But I do want to say that that book wouldn't be as good if The Long Way Home didn't exist. Yeah, so it's like, that's what again, just that you fucking evil ass woman like Oh my gosh.
00:12:14
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She's so vindictive. She like makes you work for the joy. She can give you that one chapter. I just wanted us to take a moment and like realize that we all just agreed on some things.
00:12:32
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The only time that happens literally and it's only because that but like Kimmy and I love that book because of the Daisy Christian in it and you two Okay, but let's just let's just take a moment. Okay, that's the only time this episode okay Okay, okay favorite POV you like to read from because this might be different than your favorite character Because all the POVs read so differently Kimmy, do you have a favorite?
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Yeah, I'd probably say Daisy. I really like her cliff notes in her chapters physically. I haven't listened to the series because I care for my
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mental health today. But yeah, Daisy, she's just so interesting. She has so many things going on at once, and she sees so much. I feel like out of all the characters, she's the most observant, if I could say that, because she just notices a lot of things, I feel. Yeah, I feel like all the other characters are really self-absorbed. Self-absorbed, yeah. I think Christian is too. I was just going to say, I think Julian is
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equally as observant. Okay, I'll give you that. The hates, the hates kids. It's in their blood. Kendra. My favorite POV. It's also a tie between BJ and Daisy. BJ just because like, Oh my god, he like breaks my heart every time and then
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Daisy, again, it's the Cliff Notes. I had never read a book like that before where the character was annotating her own thought. And I thought that was so freaking cool. And I will say, Kimmy, in the audiobook, you don't get the same, like, oh my god, that's so cool just because she reads them at if. She reads them immediately. Yeah. So you might not even know that they're a cliff. You wouldn't even know if you'd read the audio for the first time. You wouldn't even know that that was a footnote. You might think like crevices or something. Yeah. Lauren also did that in Love V Design. I was finally like,
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yeah for the little yeah the banners are so cute that's right yeah i don't know mine is probably also daisy like i again i also really enjoy the footnotes i know that a lot of people don't like the footnotes i really like them and you know i'm i also gotta give bj's good too but i also gotta say christian only because
00:14:37
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That man cracks me up. He's so hilarious. He's very funny. He's so funny. He should go on tour. He's a comedian, but like he's a comedian. He's actually funny, number one. And also he's so sometimes he especially in Daisy hates one girlies. I know none of Daisy hates two. So let me just like hang on a second. But Daisy hates one. That man is so in denial. And he's like it's actually like funny to read about because you're like reading it. You're like, what are you talking about? No one's laughing.
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Reni and Kimmy are gonna kill me, I think. He's a comedian, that's all. Yeah. See, I was beefing with the Cliff Notes for so long because I'm so stupid and I was reading on my iPad, I didn't realize they hyperlinked. So I kept having to swipe and then swipe back. I was like, this is such a pain in the ass. Literally the entire book, I didn't know that they hyperlinked. Anyways, my favorite POV to read from is Ashley McNolia.
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because I just think the way that her brain works is wild. The way that she thinks about things, and she is pretty self-absorbed. She thinks about how things affect her so deeply, and I think it's actually kind of beautiful to read about. I understand why people would find her really annoying, but I do think I enjoy reading from Magnolia's POV the most just because of the way that she thinks about her love for BJ.
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It's so beautiful, but it hurts so bad. It's like you would never want it, but you do want it so bad. I don't know. I just think, and it's funny because Jessa says that Magnolia's POV is the most how her brain works. Yeah, her brain. It's so interesting. But I do love reading from Christian's POV just because I think everything he does is perfect. Put me in a room 30 minutes with Jessa Hastings. I get everything I need to talk to her. What's going on, babe? Are you okay?
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Let me just hug you real quick. Last little ranking, who's your guys' favorite side character? So none of the people who have POVs. Bridget.
00:16:36
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Yeah, same. Bridget's my name. I love Bridget. That's the people's princess right there. My favorite side character is Jonah. And I think that's mainly just because so many people. Oh, here we go. I think it's just because so many people like don't see that man's potential. Don't realize like, how just truly great. I think he's just a great friend.
00:17:01
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And that's what I'm saying. I know a lot of people have never experienced that type of friendship in their life, and probably never will. But Vijay, he got a true ride or die in his corner. And I think that that's great. He really, really, really, really, really needed it. And when Jonah has his moment to shine, because Jessa said that he's going to play a bigger role in the next two Daisy Hates books, when he has his moment to shine, come talk to me, OK? And we'll get into it later. But he does some really good stuff in this series, OK? I get why people question him.
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But again, that's just loyalty. Loyalty. Like 21 Savage said, he'd rather have loyalty than love. So, BJ's picking me over Jonah any day of the week, though. Yes.
00:17:44
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Well, yeah. So they don't think the same way that that Magnolia is picking B.J. over Henry any day. Like she calls him her best friend. But like, is he really like I know everyone is not only his best friend, though. Literally, literally. I think my favorite side character is honestly, Tara, just like the she's great.
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Yeah, I think she's really funny and I just think the growth from how we perceive her in Magnolia's POV in book one versus the role she is now in Daisy Hates 2, I think is just like, I thought it was so fun. I am really ready for this love triangle to wrap it the fuck up though, I don't care.
00:18:22
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I like genuinely could not care less. Okay, those are our little rankings. So we are really digging in starting now. We are moving through Magnolia Parks 1 and Daisy Hates 1 at the same time because they recap the same events for the most part. We felt like it was kind of pointless to do like Magnolia Parks 1 and then Daisy Hates 1. So we're going to be moving through both at the same time. So we will be talking about all POVs, all characters, all events from the first two books.
BJ and Magnolia's Relationship Dynamics
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Let's just start talking about the relationships. So obviously immediately in chapter one of book one, we are introduced to BJ and Parks. I don't even know where to start. I don't even know where to start. Magnolia and BJ, you learned very quickly that they have a very complicated, we meet them as friends.
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Kinda, sorta, right? Their relationship from the beginning is very weird. And then you quickly find out that they were a couple for a very long time. I'm hesitant to call them, you can call them childhood sweethearts because they've been in each other's lives since she was four and he was six. She liked her shrimps first. All right, hang on a minute, Kimmy. We'll get there in a minute. Anyways, but they've been together for a very long time.
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And then they broke up and you don't know immediately why they broke up. You just know that they're broken up. And now Magnolia is dating like all these guys to like make B.J jealous and B.J. He doesn't date. He just fucks around a lot. Literally constantly like thousands of women. Damn, you were ready to come in with that one. I am. Oh my God. Thousands. Four digits. Thousands. Could be even five.
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This is my main beef with BJ is that like, okay, yes, these two are like constantly intentionally trying to hurt each other to prove that they still care and still can get a reaction out of one another. And like, that is the foundation of their relationship at the beginning of book one. But yeah.
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I personally, me, would be so much more hurt by what BJ is doing than what Magnolia is doing because it's like, oh, it could just be literally any bitch. Like us sleeping together meant nothing to you because you're just like fucking everyone.
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which I know is not how it works. He would see a stray woman on the streets and start filming at the mouth. Oh, my God. Well, I just want to say that B.J. It makes it his mission to only fuck girls who look the opposite of Magnolia. So, you know, there's still some there's something there, you know. So listen, do you understand that he could literally be everything like he knows exactly what Magnolia needs exactly. And he's not going to use it.
00:21:06
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He's a petty monster. Yes. But it's also because she's choosing not to give it to him back. Yes. Like she's equally like keeping him with reason.
00:21:15
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Yeah, but he messed up first like he is the reason they are so once you get once you get like I don't know when it happens in the first book but you find out that the reason why they're broken up is because bj cheated on her um and She doesn't know with who but we do know you get this like brutal scene like the way jessa writes she goes in and out of the timeline so she writes uh linear but then like
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in a sentence she'll take you back three years four years yeah it's like magnolias like remembering something yeah um so you she paints this brutal scene of when bj like after he cheated on her you don't know you know it was like at a party but you don't know who with it's like that's a big mystery in their relationship and in book one like who the fuck did he cheat with but he comes home to her and like emits to her that he cheated on her and filled immediately like awful
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And like, that's my thing. He didn't have to do that. I will give him that. I knew who he cheated on her with from that first chapter. I remember I said it. I was like, it's definitely her. It's definitely her. I like suspected who it was. But getting that, you do find out the end of this book, and we'll get to that in a little bit. But like, getting that final confirmation, I was like, damn. But he literally came to her immediately and was like, I'm so sorry. And granted, like he wasn't telling her the whole truth of what happened that night. He wanted to.
00:22:37
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He wanted to. He wanted to. And that's, you know, that's where Jonah gets his lashings. That's where Jonah gets his lashings, because you do find out that Jonah was the one that was like, don't, don't tell Magnolia, like, just go home. Like, don't do anything. He said that's not even where he gets his lashes. I even forgot about that.
00:22:56
Speaker
But okay, so after BJ and Parse breakup, they are literally never not thinking about each other. They are obviously very much still in love. Everybody in the whole fucking world knows that they're still in love. They are constantly in each other's orbit. Their friend group is called the box set and they're like big influencers in London, right? So like everybody knows about the box set together. There's like six of them, right? Six or eight or something. I don't know. There's a bunch of them.
00:23:19
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There's some siblings in there, yada, yada, yada. So after that happens, like Kendra said, like Magnolia is like dating people, right? So one of the people that she dates right after in secret is Christian. And this gives me the hives. Like I hate their relationship so much. And the thing that annoys me about it is like the reason I hate it is because I also have to defend it because Kendra is going to talk so much mad shit and I have to defend. And it's wild because I literally have confirmation from Jessa Hastings herself.
00:23:48
Speaker
the creator of these characters that magnolia fell in love with christian during this time that they were together yeah and she also said that christian was making shit up in his head sometimes so whoa she said he read into things but yes who fell in love yes who fell in love but you know what's crazy is like
00:24:06
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Christian fell for Magnolia like literally a week before she fell for BJ. It was like all the timelines were all fucked right because Jess is evil. So of course he's reading into things Kendra like he's been into her since they were like 15 and finally she's not with BJ anymore.
00:24:25
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and he's she's showing him attention and bj is his friend bj knew that he he had feelings for her and still like went after magnolia well okay here's don't let your friend stop you from your soul mate like right now with christian in the beginning of of these books particularly daisy hates one or daisy hates one in magnolia parks one so obviously not in the next books but his thinking in the beginning of these books once you finally get to his pov is that he felt some kind of like
00:24:54
Speaker
ownership, because he knew Magnolia first over BJ. And so he did. He was like, I love her first. He was like, I love her first. She was my friend. But that doesn't make it like, because you knew her first person that you were in love with, you were watching them fall in love with somebody else for years, constantly being around them being like the most in love, the most happy.
00:25:19
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You would feel hers too. I don't think Christian was in love with her when, I don't think Christian was in love with her when they were kids and he was like, I think he like realized, oh, like she's beautiful and he liked her, but he, he moved too slow. And he knew, the thing is, is like he knew Magnolia liked him before he liked her and did nothing about it. So like, I'm sorry, you can't get mad that also it's, it's, it's, oh, they're teens when it's fucking Christian. But when I say, Oh, they were. Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:48
Speaker
I will say that like I am not somebody who is, I'm a Daisy Christian girlie, but I will not, I don't hate BJ and Magnolia. I really, really don't. So these conversations are always very nuanced for me because like I can defend parts. And what I will say is that I think Christian felt what he thought BJ felt for Magnolia.
00:26:07
Speaker
Like when they were young and right after BJ and Magnolia broke up, Christian I think was like, oh, I can love her like that. Like I can be like enough for her. It's finally my time to shine. Not realizing that nobody's gonna love Magnolia like BJ, like period, end of story. Nobody's gonna love Magnolia like BJ. And I don't think he realized that until he fell in love with Daisy. And that is like a little caveat there. It's like, he thought that he could be enough for her until he really loved somebody the way that they deserve to be loved. Like he loved Daisy.
00:26:35
Speaker
No, I agree with that. But before we move on from talking about Magnolia and Christian, we have to talk about the infamous scene that caused Kendra and I to get into multiple verbal concentrations. Before we do this, Kendra, you can set up the scene and then we're going to have a little discussion about how this is going to work. Can I read the quote? You may read the quote, yes. She's going to be all smug.
00:27:04
Speaker
I have to moderate this discussion. I want to read the quote for the listeners out there because who wants somebody? I'll set it up. Somebody gets to read. Okay. All right. Okay. Okay. Okay. Guys, I have to moderate this discussion because if I don't, if nobody does, if nobody sets boundaries here, we will be here till the end of time. Just going around in circles. Nobody wins. Okay. So we're going to have some rules, but first, okay, Brady, go ahead, set it up. Can you read the quote?
00:27:30
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So they're at a dinner table and Christian makes kind of a shitty joke where he's like, I know what you look like when you orgasm to Magnolia because he made her come. So he does know what she looks like and everybody gets all fucking pissed off for no reason.
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00:28:18
Speaker
um Christian I don't know how the fuck I can spell this out for you in a way where you're actually gonna hear it and get it through your fucking head she is not yours she's never been yours never will be whatever you briefly briefly had with her it was about me it wasn't about you it wasn't because she wanted you it was because she missed me and she wanted me and we couldn't be together yeah
00:28:38
Speaker
And so I read that scene, and I texted in the group chat, and I said, damn, that was hot. And I said, damn, that was dumb, because he's such a loser. He's such a loser. And you know what the thing is? No, no, no, no. My turn. Come on. Hang on. No. I'm going to explain the rules. I'm going to explain the rules. We haven't. We've set up the scene. We've read the quote. Here's what's going to happen. OK?
00:29:00
Speaker
So first we're going to have the amount of time that we have is five minutes total. Okay. And I split the time evenly in between each person. Okay. And again, if you interrupt that person, you lose your next turn.
00:29:13
Speaker
Okay. Yes. Can we chime in during my time, please? No, no, no. I have set aside for Kimmy too. Kimmy and Brandi each get a lot of time. So it's okay. So it's going to go one minute, Kendra. 45 seconds, Brandi. 45 seconds, Kimmy, since there's two of you. Okay. There's two more time. I know. Let me finish, Kendra. No, I'm telling that to them.
00:29:33
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. Um, so again, 45 seconds, Brandy, Kimmy, Kendra gets to rebuttal for another 45. Brandon, Kimmy each get 30 more. Kendra gets 15. That's five minutes. You're done. So she needs to start and she gets the last word. Okay. Fine. I'll do this. Kendra gets 30 seconds. You each get 20 more seconds at the end for a button. Then we're done. Deal. Okay. Okay. I'm going to start a timer and once that time, I don't want to listen to this. So Kendra gets to start with a full minute. Okay.
00:30:03
Speaker
Let me send my timer. Give me space. Okay, ready? Kendra, you may start.
00:30:10
Speaker
Yes, okay, so one of the reasons why I think this scene is so hot is A, because the thing that I love about B.J., especially when comparing him to Christian, is that even when B.J. is doing all this horrible shit, whatever, I never questioned whether or not he loved Magnolia. Like, that's never, like, a question for me. Like, you know how bad he loves that girl. Even when he's fucking around, his inner monologue, everything matches, right? So to see that in another point of view, because that is a scene that we only get in Daisy hates one,
00:30:34
Speaker
to see him like have that confidence in their feelings and another book is so great. Whereas with Christian, oh my fucking God, in these first two books, who knows what that man is feeling? Things magnolia is trashing everything. So, oh my gosh, I just think it was just hot to see BJ know. And it's true. And it's true because once you get to the next two books, what does Christian say? He's like, yeah, man, you were right. You were right. So,
00:31:01
Speaker
Sorry, sorry, BJ knew exactly BJ knew that Magnolia knew where home was and that's all I have to say. Okay. That was a minute. All right, Brandy. God, I'm about to get fucking beat the fuck up. You're going to start your 45 going for the kill starts. Three, two, one, go.
00:31:20
Speaker
I'm not going to argue with you that like obviously it was about BJ because everything Magnolia does is about BJ. Yes, but I'm saying that two things can be true at once. So yes, it could be about BJ and yes, she could have had real genuine actual feelings for Christian, which is true. For him to say she was never yours, she fell in love with him. You're telling me that she loved him and she wasn't his for that time.
00:31:46
Speaker
I'm not going to argue with you that she knew where home was because nobody, she's never going to be happy and she's never going to make anybody happy when she's feeling that way about BJ Christian deserved better. But I will say that she genuinely fell in love with him. So for him to say, for him to say that it was never really about that and like there was never real feelings, there was bullshit. 45. As soon as I put my hand up to like have like five seconds left, you guys talk so much about you talking like this. It's so funny. All right Kim, you ready for your 45?
00:32:15
Speaker
Ready? Three, two, one, go. So was Magnolia BJs when she came on Christian? I just have so many questions because it's like you want to claim ownership. She's mine. She did it for me. Did you think you were thinking about Magnolia every time you fucked 12,000 bitches? Like this shit is crazy. Like that don't even make sense. Like I don't care that you were thinking about her. You're weird. You're weird. You don't even deserve her. You don't, you actually, they do deserve each other because the way they torture people, the only they can torture each other the way they wanted so eloquently.
00:32:45
Speaker
Okay. And yeah, of course Christian, he's all over the place. You don't know how you feel because the love that he feels for Daisy will never compare to what he felt, that he literally didn't even understand the concept of Vijay Magnolie's relationship before he got with Daisy. So of course he's confused. My baby, he never felt real love because that bitch been dragging him by his neck. Okay. Done. Done. This is why we had to have Kimmy on the podcast.
00:33:13
Speaker
All right. Okay, Kendra, you have 45 for rebuttal, and go. Yeah, okay. Magnolia fell in love with Christian. Like, I'll never deny that, but also that girl falls in love with everyone. Literally, they talk about how she fell in love with the barista, that they all had to come together and give that man money. Like, okay. But the thing is, even when she's in love with all these other people, she'll say it herself. Even when she's in love with all these other people, who is there at the front of her mind? BJ. If BJ, literally, when she was talking to Christian, was like,
00:33:42
Speaker
Oh, come home bro. She would have come running. So that's what I think BJ is trying to say. Like no matter at the end of the day, what you, cause you said two things can be true at once. Yeah. Okay. She was in love with Christian, but you know who she loved more at the time? Baxter James motherfucking Valentine and that he knew that. So that that's all I'm trying to say. Thank you. That's not what he was saying. It's my turn. Okay. And go, you have 30 seconds. That's not what he was saying in that quote though. He was like,
00:34:09
Speaker
Nothing is about you. Like, it was about Christian. Like, she had genuine feelings for Christian. Yes, she always loved BJ more. Nobody's arguing that. I'm saying that the reason... You try to talk about the whole relationships when we're talking about that fucking quote. Like, that is categorically false. That quote is categorically false. And I'll yield the rest of my time to Kimmy. Okay. Kimmy, if you yield the rest of your time, Kimmy gets five extra seconds. So that means you have 35 seconds. Go.
00:34:38
Speaker
So when BJ with Tex Magnolia come home, she came home after she came on Christian. That's what I'm talking about. As long as she knows, as y'all know, she was with him and she was like, that's, I'm with Christian today. I like him today. I'm in love with him today. She can love the barista tomorrow. She loved Christian today. So let's acknowledge that she loves Christian and that's all I care about. She can do whatever she want to do with BJ. They deserve each other. Let you acknowledge that you led that poor boy on and that you loved him and we can keep pushing from there. I don't need more time.
00:35:09
Speaker
This is the last round. This is the last round. Kendra, you get 30 seconds. Kimmy and Brandy each get 20. Why did like every thought just go out of my brain? Okay. Are you ready? Hang on. Okay. Tell me when you're ready. I'm ready. Go.
00:35:25
Speaker
I can't, you can't say that quote is categorical, whatever false, because she would have never even fucked around with Christian if it wasn't for BJ. In the first place, she was lonely, she wanted attention because she wasn't with BJ, so the inter-Christian. Literally, I personally feel like Christian could have been anybody at that time, and they still would have fucked around. Granted, granted,
00:35:51
Speaker
Yes, you can say like, oh, the friendship that they had prior. But no, if Tom had come in during that time, it would have been Tom.
00:35:59
Speaker
okay brandy 20 seconds go and she fell in love with tom it couldn't have been anybody it was somebody she fell in love with and that that's what hurts bj so bad is that the fact that she could feel that because up until that point she had never loved anybody but bj and after that you're right she fell in love with every little person and that's what hurt bj the most and that's why he's lashing out at christian it could not have been anybody because she wasn't sleeping around until tom but she came on christmas
00:36:21
Speaker
But hold on, BJ didn't know that. BJ didn't know that. BJ thought that she was sleeping around. BJ thought she was sleeping around, so of course she's going to throw that away. Jesus Christ. And I'm right. He's wrong. Okay. Hey. Hey.
00:36:37
Speaker
You're approaching on Kimmy's time. Kimmy's last 20 seconds, and then we're done. No more words. We move on to the next topic of discussion, ladies. Do you understand? Do we all understand? I need acknowledgment from everybody. Kendra, acknowledgment? Thank you. I'm going to go buy a pack of cigarettes after this. Kimmy, 20 seconds, last of the round. Go.
00:36:58
Speaker
Okay, their history definitely had something to do with her falling in love with Christian. There's no way she always goes back home because even talking about the second books here, she knows, she knows where her second home is. After she goes to BJ, she knows exactly where she's turning. Okay, the M's, both of them. Like I can't, there's so much to say but
00:37:15
Speaker
I want to save it for Daisy hates to, so we can go there. All right. Thank you, ladies, for joining in this debate. We are done. Brandy, no. No, I looked like you were about to say something. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. Listen, go to our Instagram at bring your own pod and tell us who you agree with. Who you think won the debate.
00:37:34
Speaker
All right. Let's reference your polls. Who was the least favorite man in that series? I think everybody's going to be very impressed. Yeah, let's go ahead and do that. Let's do that. Y'all just hate addicts. That's fucking crazy. That's called a whambulance. That's called a whambulance. Somebody's favorite character lost.
00:37:56
Speaker
Go ahead and say the whole numbers. Let the numbers speak. Okay, not about the specific quote, but I do have to say one more thing about Christian and B.J. It's very short. But do y'all remember when B.J. caught Magnolia and Christian making out at a club and then he literally had to not fight back while B.J. punched him because he was like, I'm going to kill B.J. if I punch him. That is so funny.
00:38:20
Speaker
He literally, he let B.J. beat somewhat of shit out of him. He didn't even really get beat up. He ate those punches up. He ate the punches up, and he didn't even lift a finger, because you know what he did? He killed a man with his bare hands before. He knew not to touch the little poster Instagram model. He knew not to do that, or he would have a lawsuit on his ass. So he knew the whole back. I mean, don't talk about my man. He got his. He got attacked his. He was referencing that scene once, and she was like, oh my god, yeah, and B.J. beat the shit out of him. And Kimmy and I were like,
00:38:47
Speaker
He couldn't fight back, because he won't. He literally held back. Jonah's nasty ass in the corner watching a go on knowing him while his best friend didn't die, and his brother decided to breathe wrong. Like, don't be silly. If you're listening and you, like me, are a B.J. girl, never, ever, ever, ever put yourself in the predicament of arguing with two Christian girlies because, like the man that's in love so much, they will beat the fuck out of you. Oh, my God. OK. Yeah.
00:39:12
Speaker
Sorry, I also want to say that like, I'm glad we didn't do favorite couples rankings because I want to know. I want to know so bad. You know. Yeah, obviously. And.
00:39:30
Speaker
Okay, here's the thing. It's because I mean this when I say it. I truly, truly mean this. I love every single main couple, main character. I love all of them. So ranking them, I know that Brandy and Kimmy are Christian Daisy girlies till the day that they die. That will always be that they're number one. My number ones, my number two, my number three constantly change rankings depending upon what book I'm reading. So right now my favorite, and I know you all are gonna look at me sideways,
00:40:00
Speaker
right now my favorite is Magnolia and Julian like I can't like I can't I don't like know what to say and like I can't pick between Daisy and Christian and Magnolia BJ for like second or third because it feels wrong putting one of them in third and so that's why Kendra always mad at me
00:40:16
Speaker
she gets mad at me when when she thinks that I'm like writing the line because I can't pick a side and I'm like I don't know what you want me to say because I see both sides I love both of these characters I can acknowledge that two things can be true at once that they're both idiots in the in the situation at one point or another and like that's all okay
00:40:33
Speaker
Yeah, my my favorite couple, I'm like, Kayla depends on the book. So like, long way home, I'm like, Oh, my God, BJ Magnolia, soulmates, like forever and ever. And when the Into the Dark comes out. Yeah, I'll be up there so much. But then I read The Great Undoing.
00:40:48
Speaker
And then I'm like, Oh, Magnolia and Julian in another life. I could have left. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. Enough with this another life. We're in this one. We're in this one. Wait, Kimmy, if you had to put BJ and Magnolia or Julian and Magnolia second, which would you do?
00:41:05
Speaker
Well, obviously, B.J. Magnolia, that one. I'm the same ranking as you. Julian is suffering. Julian is in purgatory. Listen, this is his purgatory. He is not. We'll get there when we get to the second. OK, so let's keep moving through Magnolia Parks 1 and Daisy Hates
Magnolia's Romance with Tom
00:41:21
Speaker
1. So one of the biggest plot points in those books, but especially in Magnolia Parks 1, is that Magnolia starts dating another dude to make B.J. jealous, which isn't in itself like, whoa,
00:41:32
Speaker
But the fact that it's this guy named Tom England is like, whoa, because this is a person that BJ has looked up to since he was a kid. This is like one of his heroes. And this is the first dude where Magnolia is like feeling butterflies. And it's so crazy because when I read this book, I was like,
00:41:49
Speaker
Team fucking Tom England. Me too. Yeah. Which is why, like, kind of don't make that face. Because I mean, Vijay, without the context of everything that happens in Magnolia Parks. True. B.J. Magnolia Parks one seems like shitty. So I was like, team Tom. But now I think he's a loser.
00:42:09
Speaker
Yeah, also also Tom is the first person so we talked about this a little bit before but like BJ thought when Magnolia was dating all these other random ass dudes that she was also sleeping with them but that wasn't the case BJ at this time had been the only man that she had ever slept with and then enters Tom fucking England and
00:42:29
Speaker
he ends up being the first guy that she sleeps with they all go on like this group these are the most like codependent ass friends so they all have to travel together so they go on this incestuous too which is they all go on this trip together because they like grew up together at boarding school like their parents didn't really raise them very well um so they they go on this trip and everyone's there and then bj does what
00:42:52
Speaker
Listen, in MP1, y'all can beat him up. He starts fucking around again on the trip in front of Magnolia. Magnolia is like asking him like they like spend a day together by themselves. It's like if you're Tom England, like whatever.
00:43:08
Speaker
and then at the end of this day she's like she's like tell me like why you did it like tell me who and bj is like i did it because i wanted to which when you read that in the first book you're like what the fuck fuck you we'll we'll circle back to that so magnolia's feeling her and then bj goes and fucks around with some other girl she sees it happening and then she goes yeah then she goes and she sleeps with tom england for the first time
00:43:30
Speaker
And that's one of the best scenes in the entire series. Best written scenes in that book. Because it's when we find out about the tattoo like naming every tattoo that he got for her. And naming BJ. So Magnolia is literally sleeping with another man and her entire thought process is listing all of BJ's tattoos because every tattoo BJ has he got for her and it's a symbol of their relationship. She should have went to therapy in the morning. Like that's the reason why I love Jess's writing so much is because these books like I would argue that like
00:43:58
Speaker
These books are hot, right? But they're not because like, there's no, there's not a lick of any of these. You will not find cock in that. No. Even then, like you're never finding like a name. It's like, oh, I'm like, you cocksuck or something. You won't find it. You're not even getting like Berkeley level descriptions, you know, like, oh, like he moved it. No, like you get nothing. You just know that they're like having sex, but you're always in their head when they're having sex and what they're thinking about. And it's emotional.
00:44:27
Speaker
Yeah. And that's how you know, like, that's how you know, Magnolia beauty, like, that's locked. Like, that was just so just a you sick person. Like, that was that was wet. And it's crazy. Because like, you're reading that scene. And you're like, why? Why? Why? Why? Like, because like, at that point, we think Tom is like, pretty great. Like, he's hot. He's like, really tried to do whatever he needs to for Magnolia to feel better. Like, he's in his own unrequited love situation. He was great at
00:44:51
Speaker
Yeah. And so you're like, why can't she just forget about it? She's got a guy here who's ready to give her the world, whatever. And then it's just the context. Everything is about context with these books. Everything gets put into context retrospectively, which is incredible.
00:45:07
Speaker
Yeah, that's the other big relationship because then Tom and Magnolia start to have like real genuine feelings for each other. And it all becomes so much more messy because like BJ can feel her slipping away and he starts acting out even more. You get flashbacks of right after BJ Magnolia broke up like BJ had a coke problem because he was just trying to cope. He overdosed at one point. Didn't he have one during too? Well, no, no, no.
00:45:35
Speaker
Using again after like but he had one it wasn't a problem. I think he was more like crying on the
00:45:49
Speaker
Like, you know, they would recreationally use drugs. And then after, yeah, they broke up. He started just going like, you know, he went a little too far. And then she gets a call from a random girl. It's all in the flashback. She gets a call from a random girl or notice. He called her. I forget how it works. But basically, yeah, he was in a hotel with a girl that he was having sex with and they were just like high off their ass and he overdoses and Magnolia has to come and like he's going to help him.
00:46:15
Speaker
It's in the bathroom. It's like him, Jonah, it's Christian there too. It's just a whole bunch of people. Christian's there. And she thinks that he's going to die. That seems really emotional too. It's so emotional. And the day after, I can't remember if it's the day after, or very shortly after, within the week, because they're still broken up, all of them and their friends go to this movie at the park or something. And when she sees him, and she sees him up and healthy, and she walks over to him, and she kisses him. And all the friends are just like,
00:46:44
Speaker
what you know like they're broken up for the first and last time until they get back together yeah and so it was like it was just like an acknowledgement of like i'm i love you i'm so happy that you're alive and she like stayed in the hospital with him too and then like i remember when he wakes up in the hospital she like hits them right like
00:46:59
Speaker
She's so angry. She makes him promise to never do it again. And then that's part of the reasons like once she starts getting with Tom again, he starts using again. There's just like so many layers of betrayal between the two of them constantly, just like back and forth and back and forth.
00:47:17
Speaker
constantly. But while this is all happening, Daisy and Christian are friends with benefits at this point.
Daisy and Christian's Relationship
00:47:26
Speaker
So the reason that they're not anything more is because like Christian's dealing with his feelings about Magnolia.
00:47:33
Speaker
and Daisy is dealing with her feelings about her like childhood lover situation which a guy named Romeo who's like involved in the crime syndicate as well which is what Daisy and Julian's family business is like Julian tries his best to keep Daisy out of it but
00:47:52
Speaker
she's going to doctor school she can be a doctor she's the most advanced doctor in the entire world and uh we will want to say jessa took a lot of liberties with making daisy a doctor because every time you've had friends in the medical field read those books they're like that's just not how that would work but daisy's smart and whatever she says goes yeah exactly she's a smarty
00:48:11
Speaker
that's the people's princess and Daisy hates one like a lot of people get really frustrated with Christian like I'm not one of them but a lot of people get really frustrated with Christian because he's like in such huge denial like Kayla said about his feelings for Daisy Kimmy do you want to talk about that at all like your thoughts
00:48:29
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, you know when a gnat is around you and you're like, get away, get away, and it's always there? That's how I feel about Magnolia when she's around Christian, because Christian will be in his, you know, little bubble with Daisy, you know, teaching her how to drive here, baby. Here come Magnolia with fucking M&Ms, this is the bitch. Always, always there.
00:48:51
Speaker
always there and then Christian get confused again like it's just so annoying because she knows that too she knows what she has over him whatever the fuck he can't get over like therapy please go and she'll be in his face talking about some sorry did I drop that let me get it real quick she might as well picked it up with her mouth the way she was acting like she was she's just so like
00:49:12
Speaker
It's like, how can you leave many people on like this? And then she'll be like, don't forget. You love me, right? You guys love me, right? Like, you got daddy issues out the water. You're like, oh my god. I'm like, out the water. So damn girl, can you focus on one? Like, you got Tom England in a cut, BJ crying in a corner, and she can't have it. Like, now Daisy got to cry too. What? Oh my gosh, Magnolia pissed me off so bad. Like, Christian will literally be having a good day. Here come fucking Magnolia. Now he got to go to the diner where Bridget at.
00:49:41
Speaker
oh my god but that's the thing like that's a moment in daisy hates one that truly like christian again i love him i think he's funny like i'm so glad that he did get his head out of his ass but when his head is in his ass it's fucking painful when he and uh daisy are at that diner and magnolia comes in and
00:49:58
Speaker
it's like his attention just shifts and I'm just like Christian like that's something like he does that shit to himself sometimes you know a moment from day to day it's one that really pisses me off so bad it's when so Magnolia had given all the guys these necklaces
00:50:17
Speaker
for them and then Christian you know has to hold on to everything that that girl ever gave him why is Christian gonna go and then take the necklace that Magnolia gave him and then give it to Daisy I'm sorry like can she not get anything for her fucking self like
00:50:30
Speaker
why would you do well okay let's see there are friends with benefits though they are friends with benefits at this point so like emotionally obviously they're growing but they haven't spoken yet so yeah like you know you know them little at the end of the series i just feel so bad for i just feel so bad for daisy because like and her peel gets so painful because daisy
00:50:52
Speaker
Daisy is almost. Oh, and Daisy's relationship with Magnolia. Yeah. But Daisy, I feel like it's Daisy sees it, right? She sees the writing on the wall. She knows that like Magnolia is never going to fill for Christian the way that Christian feels for her. So it's like, why can't why if Daisy can work through her feelings about Rome and be like, okay.
00:51:08
Speaker
I don't want that anymore. I want Christian. I'm in love with Christian. I think she's like, well, why can't Christian, why can't Christian do the same thing that I just did? I think like the difference is that like we blame Magnolia for hurting Daisy and you blame Christian, which is like arguably more fair, but I have blinders on when it comes to Christian. Because y'all hate women. Oh my God. I'm literally dying. That's a crazy statement coming from y'all hate women. Y'all hate black women. Like why are we shooting on Magnolia?
00:51:35
Speaker
Magnolia doesn't even have curls. Don't come. Don't do this. Jessa told me that she got Zendaya waves. Waves don't make me know. No, no. Bridget Morgan. No, no. We're not having this argument today.
00:51:50
Speaker
We're not, because I'll start. Okay, I do think something like that is really beautiful. And a lot of people like roll their eyes out when it comes to Christian, but I personally thought was like really beautiful was that he because he was in such denial because the only love he'd ever felt romantic love for somebody because they're all fucking around. Like all the box set boys are fucking around. Christian's fucking around.
00:52:12
Speaker
Like the only romantic love he had ever felt for anybody was for Magnolia and it was pure pain. Even when they were together, it was pain because he knew that she was still mourning BJ. We never argued about that. We literally never argued about that. Oh my God. You try and make that close about the whole relationship.
00:52:35
Speaker
So Christian's been in just pure pain around Magnolia literally for years and years and years and years because like Kimmy said she leads him on because she has double whammy mommy and daddy issues so I personally loved that he was like it's too easy with Daisy like love isn't supposed to feel like this like we're just so happy and playful and we get each other and we fit into each other's lives so easy it's not supposed to feel like this like I loved that so then
00:53:01
Speaker
When it clicked into place. See, this is, this is what I'm talking about when I, when I say that, like, I love all of these couples so much. I think, uh, and I don't have, you know, and my rankings change all the time is because I, you know,
00:53:18
Speaker
The thing with this series is because we do one book from a couple POVs and then we do another book in the same timeline with different POVs, obviously you're able to get all sides and how each person felt in the moment. Because yeah, when you read Magnolia Parks 1, you look at the Christian and Magnolia relationship and you're like, well duh, of course.
00:53:40
Speaker
you know, Magnolia would never feel for Christian the same way that BJ does. And then obviously, when you get Christian's POV, you see... You get all the flashbacks from his point of view where he's like, she's like cuddled up with him and like... Dropping M&Ms in his lap. Yeah, things like that. And so I can acknowledge, like I said, I can acknowledge two things can be true at once, that both of these people, Magnolia and Christian,
00:54:05
Speaker
both were kind of dickheads to each other at certain moments in time. And I think Christian was kind of an idiot. Magnolia led him on. Like they, I think that everybody can agree on that, right? Yeah. Yeah. And Christian calling Magnolia trash and a bitch. Like, I don't love that. Like, I understand. I understand. I understand. Brandi was at my house and she was like, cause we talked about that a lot. Like, Oh, Christian calling her a bitch, whatever.
00:54:36
Speaker
I forget what we were talking about, but Brenda was like, yeah, I just can't say I'm like, when a man calling a woman a bitch, I said, what did you say? And I went, um, um, um. Like, I understand. I'm the first to admit that I have blinders on one another. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I understand that he said that because his emotions were so heightened in that moment. Like, I get that it came from a place of just anger. But also, Magnolia disregards Christian as a person and his feelings. Like, she don't give a fuck. He's like, truly just applause for her. Christian is like, she doesn't care.
00:55:06
Speaker
He's a pawn. Like she doesn't care. Magnolia does that. That's just the thing. The same way that BJ doesn't acknowledge. So she was a bitch. Okay, let's hang on a minute. I was just gonna say the same way that BJ, you know, fucks around with hundreds of women. You know, it's the same way that Magnolia does, you know, she she's dating all these men doesn't take into account the feelings of these other men, not just Christian, just all of these other men that she's dating that
00:55:33
Speaker
most of the time fall in love with her, like Case in Point, Tom England. And so I just think that she's kind of self-absorbed. And everybody in this series is self-absorbed. Everybody's a narcissist, not everybody, but almost everybody. Not Bridget. Not Bridget.
00:55:52
Speaker
So to wrap up the MP1, DH1 conversation, we can't miss talking about the fact that Daisy and Christian end up, they decide they want to be together after a lot of pain. They break up for a little bit. It's very painful, my favorite part of the book.
00:56:08
Speaker
Um, and then at the end they decide they want to be together, but at the same time, like Julian's doing some like really shady gang stuff that Daisy just like morally has opposition to. And so she's like, I need to leave this life. And since Christian's family is also in the crime syndicate, like she, like can't, doesn't feel like he can leave this life at this point in time. So he's like, I can't. And so they have this like very sweet moment where she's like, I gotta go. And he said, okay, you can go baby.
00:56:36
Speaker
Um, so they and DH one not together. And then in the epilogue, we get a little, wait, wait, wait, you got to go back. Cause we didn't talk about the end of MP one. Oh yeah. Shit. We can't not find out the person that BJ cheated with was Magnolia. And she dipped. She went straight to Heathrow, flew to New York and did not come back to London for 10 months. But also this is after, this is after like.
00:57:04
Speaker
Magnolia and BJ like they are starting to reconcile and she's like, okay, like I think I want to do this again with him They go off to this little estate that Magnolia's family owns that has like sentimental value to them You don't really know why but like they go there and they're just like so happy and they're reminiscing like vaguely about certain events Yes BJ is like, okay, like we're gonna do this for real We're gonna be together but like you cannot ask me who I cheated on you with like you need to like let it go And Magnolia is like, okay fine. I'll let it go
00:57:34
Speaker
And then they're gonna throw this big because they can't fucking not throw a party They're gonna throw this like big dinner with all their friends announcing that like they were back together And she's gonna like, you know break up with Tom and everything and then she walks into this party and Paley's there Paley walks in and she smells the perfume that she smelled on BJ the night that he came and told her that he cheated on her and slept with someone else and then finally everything from Magnolia clicks and
00:57:59
Speaker
and she realizes that Paley was the girl it all gets outed at this dinner because like the only person that knew that it was Paley was Jonah because Jonah was there the night that it happened and he like helped cover it up and Perry who's irrelevant and Perry yeah but fuck that guy and so then Magnolia leaves it's one of the most heartbreaking scenes she's like in a cab is about to go to Heathrow and she looks back and BJ is just like
00:58:24
Speaker
on the street sobbing cuz like it's so heartbreaking and then yeah once you you just know that she's leaving and then yeah at the end of Daisy hates one you get like a flash forward and you get Magnolia's point of view again at the end of Daisy hates one and she's with Tom in New York and
00:58:46
Speaker
And then Tom fucking stupid ass loser bitch England, purposely, purposely picks up fight with her because she like refuses to watch a movie that like reminds her of BJ. And he's like, well, why, why aren't you like, why are you still in love with him? Blah, blah, blah. Mind you, Tom England's in love with his dead brother's widow. So that's literally how Jessa chose to end it. So you know that her and Tom are no longer together and that Daisy and Christian are no longer together. BJ Magnolia.
00:59:20
Speaker
really quickly since we didn't touch on this and I know we got to move on we didn't even touch it pretty much at all on Julian in this book because I'll admit like I liked I love he's my favorite now but like in the beginning of this series like I wasn't
00:59:33
Speaker
That's kind of like, why is he a P.O.P? It was just, yeah, exactly. Why is he a P.O.P? Reminds me of Monon from Throne of Glass when you first met her. You're just like, what the why the fuck is she here? Yeah, yeah, true. You like, like learn a lot about Daisy and Julian's like relationship and, you know, how they both lost their parents in a pretty like violent way. Julian has been like raising Daisy essentially ever since then.
00:59:53
Speaker
And so they're super, super close. But at the end of Daisy hates one when Julian is doing all these things that go against Daisy's like rules that they put in place. Kidnapping kids. He bought a McDonald's though. So he bought a McDonald's. That's my man. And then, you know, when she's like super pissed at him for doing all these things, her dumb ass. Like Julian is so mad at her for also getting involved in that situation and not, you know, like
01:00:22
Speaker
just letting it go.
Magnolia's Return and BJ's Growth
01:00:23
Speaker
Did she bring the cop? Well, yeah. Fucking killer dude. Oh, fucking killer. Oh, this guy's face. We'll get into to her in just a minute. Cause that's like at the top of D at the top of Daisy hates to. Oh my God. What I opened up that book and I was off to stay until I was like, Oh, no. When I opened that page, I was like,
01:00:52
Speaker
Anyway, it's okay. I was just gonna say Julian and Daisy's relationship at the end of this book is basically completely cut off. Julian, I hated how Julian talks to Daisy at the end of that book.
01:01:02
Speaker
It was so hard. Daisy did shoot herself. It was just hard to read because, like, you knew that they had such a strong relationship. That's like that literally it quite literally is the only family that they have. And so, you know, when Daisy wanted to leave everything, she had to leave her brother behind. And Julian was so pissed at her. So he's just basically sort of fuck off. And then, you know, she's she doesn't speak to these people for almost 10 months. And so it's just that's how that those two books end.
01:01:32
Speaker
We compare the Addicted series to the series at the beginning of the episode. And one thing about the Addicted series is that at least each book ends in a pretty good spot. It at least ends pretty happily. These books, absolutely not. Well, that's why I love them because they're like in Addicted, there are no real consequences or stakes for those characters or their actions. Like everything gets wrapped up and solved. Whereas like in this series, like Jess is like, no, like if you're going to fuck up, like you're going to
01:02:00
Speaker
like have to deal with those consequences. And that's why it's just so good. So yeah, everyone ends in fucking disarray. So then by the time you get to MP2, you legitimately do not know what's going on. And I remember our big question going into MP2 was like, because I was like, there's just no way that BJ would like sleep with Pally just because like he wanted to like, I just think there has to be more into more to the story. So that was like the big question on my mind going into it.
01:02:30
Speaker
And my big question was like, how does she think she's going to redeem him? Because she's on Instagram at this point before we started Long Way Home being like, BJ's the best, BJ's the best, BJ's my favorite character. And I was like, how is that even fucking possible? How are you going to make him cheat? So then at the beginning of MP2, there is a big time jump. It's over a year. And Magnolia is coming back to London for the first time since she dipped because her dad is getting married to her fucking Manny. That was a big fucking book one.
01:02:59
Speaker
The nanny's such a fucking hypocrite too. She's such a hypocrite cause she was like, you could not go back to, cause she wanted to go back to BJ so many times cause she loved him so bad after he cheated. And her name was like, absolutely not have some respect. Meanwhile, she's sleeping with her dad who's married. Yeah. And so they're getting married. Magnolia is like coming back and BJ and his family are invited to the wedding. Obviously they've been family friends forever. So they're seeing each other for the first time. I was, I don't know about you guys gagged when I found out that BJ had a girlfriend.
01:03:26
Speaker
I was like oh yeah and he had gone to he'd been going to therapy and he started dating this girl named Jordan. Oh he got clean too. Oh yeah he stopped doing drugs. He's at the wedding, Jordan's not there but Magnolia like knows and they see each other for this. Oh my god when he walks up to her and says how's the weather parks.
01:03:47
Speaker
And she's wearing lilac. Yeah, she's wearing lilac. I remember that dress. Magnolia Parks closet on Instagram. Thank you. Big shout out to the MPU closet. So we open here and I remember starting this book really late at night, like the day that we finished Daisy hates.
01:04:07
Speaker
And I was like, oh, it's just like pain immediately off the bat. So I was like, I'm just going to wait for something good to happen. I read near 30 percent of that book because I just kept waiting for something to happen because it's just like pain, pain, pain, because you get a lot of explanations very quickly because I think Justin knew that people were not going to keep reading this if we don't get some explanation on why these things happened at the end.
01:04:26
Speaker
I already know, I know the chapters when you do it. It's chapter eight, you first learn about what happened to BJ and then chapter 13 is when you first learned about what happened with BJ and Magnolia. And it's literally within the first, I think chapter eight is within like literally the first 10, 15% of the book. And then 13 is like within the first 20. And so it's just like a lot all at once.
01:04:46
Speaker
And you're like, holy shit. It's magical storytelling on her end. It really is. She's insane. And there's like so much context that goes with it because you find out that in chapter eight, that BJ was raped when he was, before he and Magnolia were together by his big sister's friend. Yeah, he's 14 years old.
01:05:04
Speaker
And he saw the girl that raped him at the party that Magnolia wasn't at. And he felt so out of control. And because he had never dealt with that trauma ever. He had never even told anybody about it. It was obviously affected him deeply. So he saw her and like was like losing it. He went downstairs to like get away from the party and away from her. Paley, the bitch that she is, follows him. And she's been in love with him.
01:05:30
Speaker
Yeah. Forever is one loser, giant loser, biggest loser in the whole book. So she follows him and he's like feeling wildly out of control. Magnolia's not there and they fuck. And Paley's like, oh my God, he's going to choose me. No, he like immediately is like going to throw up. Does he throw up?
01:05:49
Speaker
He throws up right after Jonah walks in, sees them half dressed, and Jonah's like, Pele, get the fuck out. And he's telling BJ, do not tell Magnolia. He runs straight home to tell Magnolia. So he's telling Magnolia all of this now, present day in London. And one of the most heartbreaking fucking things is that he's like, if I would have been able to tell you everything at that point, because he couldn't talk about it. His sexual assault, he couldn't talk about it. So he was like, if I could have told you
01:06:16
Speaker
would it have made a difference? And she doesn't say anything. She doesn't say anything. Because it would have. Yeah, he says that like he she's crying for me the way that like no one has before something like that. And it was just so heartbreaking because it was heartbreaking. But I was also just so tremendously proud because when we left BJ like yeah, like he was doing drugs like just in the worst place ever. And so the fact that he like took this year to like better himself and he like went to therapy and like was able to start talking about it and like
01:06:45
Speaker
was able to like check that goal off of his list of like making amends like Magnolia because like she still deserved that and a thing that I really love that Jessa does is that even though you find out the reason as to why he cheated they still don't excuse it and like neither does Magnolia like they still acknowledge that like it was still a bad thing and like he still hurt her a lot and like it should have never happened but I'm just so glad that we got that context but then you're wondering like all right well like
01:07:11
Speaker
why can't these two fuckers just like work it out but also like why can't they stay away from each other like they have all the he has a girlfriend now like why can't he just like fully commit to that girl and then yeah fuck Jordan but like that was a question I was like why can't why why are they so out their relationship yeah like why do they keep hurting and then Jess is like okay well
01:07:33
Speaker
Actually, let's take you guys back a couple years again. Oh my god.
Shared Trauma and Relationship Complexity
01:07:37
Speaker
So in the first book, we mentioned how Magnolia and BJ go to this house where they have a lot of memories at. But you don't know. You don't know why. Yeah. And they like meet each other at the tree. Yeah. And then you find out in the long way home that at this house, Magnolia and BJ, when they were teenagers, I think she was like 16 at the time, they conceived a child.
01:08:05
Speaker
Magnolia due to like she had like an eating disorder growing up and basically she was not healthy enough time to Carry the baby to term and she loses the child They find out when they go to get an ultrasound that there's no heartbeat So then she has to I don't know what the procedure is called like she pretty much has to get enough. It's an abortion Yeah, she had she called it something I forget yeah, yeah, there's a name for the procedure I don't remember
01:08:23
Speaker
at that house at a party.
01:08:32
Speaker
They had to abort the baby and it traumatizes them because when they thought they were having a child, they were starting to plan everything. He was like, they were so in love. Here's what we're going to do. Like they wanted to keep it. It was just going to it was just going to be such a beautiful little thing. Yeah, they picked out a name.
01:08:50
Speaker
Which is so fucked because throughout the whole, they had their first dance to a Billie Holiday song. And throughout the whole first book, they're mentioning, oh, Billie this, Billie that. You think they're talking about Billie Holiday? No, they're talking about their baby. Literally in chapter three of the first book, if you go back.
01:09:07
Speaker
Like, they reference Billie and- Yeah, they're thinking, what are you thinking about? She's zoning out and she's just thinking about Billie and he goes, I love her. And she goes, me too. Like, oh my fuck. And I'm like, Jessa, and what's crazy is that like, once we all got there, cause Jessa would like, she was messaging all of us. Like this is before the books got like to where they are now. She would like interact with readers a lot. She had like a couple thousand followers, yeah. Bro, she had that shit ready. Like once she, once she knew that you got through those chapters. So yeah, if you go back to book one page, whatever, like,
01:09:38
Speaker
And then everything just makes sense because like yeah if you would go through something like that with someone and Yeah after the especially as a baby They went back to that house and like spent a whole weekend there just like dealing with that and then there's
01:10:00
Speaker
Yeah, like BJ is like, we can't, or is it Magnolia's point of view where they say they come back and they just like refuse to leave each other's side and their parents are like, why the fuck are they like so much? And he's like, we came back used as one. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that line. Like they weren't just like separate strands. Their lives were like, not it. They left like separate and then came back. Oh my God. That's why him cheating, I think hurt so much because like,
01:10:27
Speaker
It's just like such the biggest betrayal. And then you'd think back about BJ almost overdosing and almost dying. And then that's like another person that Magnolia could have lost. And then at the end of the first book, Magnolia, when she finds out that it's Paley, one of her thoughts is like, I can't, did he sleep with her without a condom? Cuz then she's thinking, what if that had led to another trial? Everything just came together within that first 30% of Long Way Home.
01:10:53
Speaker
I just felt so, A, I felt validated because I knew there had to have been more to the story, but I did not expect that. I did not expect them losing a child and like...
01:11:01
Speaker
go and no one in the box set knows either like this is just something that they've kept to themselves um yeah i want to read the quote that we we reference it's in chapter 16 uh it's in magnolia's point of view she says our parents stood at the doorway watching us so completely baffled at what was happening and why how we started the week as two separate people and then came back at the end of it fused as one and they were just like laying in bed together and later on the
01:11:28
Speaker
The two finally agree to tell like everybody. So they tell them at this dinner and of course, like the entire box set minus Paley and Perry because fuck them are all like, you know, everything makes so much more sense now, you know, and they finally like are able to look back on things like Christian and his point of view, you get his point of view to in Daisy hates to on the situation. And he's just like, well, like I understand now, you know, he understands and then fucking tell BJ like,
01:12:03
Speaker
So then moving forward like BJ doesn't want to just jump back into Magnolia's life Magnolia moves back to London and he's like done all this work on himself and he's so scared that if he just jumps back
01:12:14
Speaker
to be with her like all this work that he's done to like better himself and take care of himself mentally is just going to be undone. So he decides that he's going to stay with Jordan until like whatever he knows that's not the love of his life but whatever they go on this birthday trip for Jonah and it's
01:12:29
Speaker
BJ and Magnolia and Jonah and Tara are going up north for a little bit. And while they're there, they have this really emotional talk. They decide that they want to be together. They're so in love with each other. They sleep together. And then they get into a fight in the morning because Jonah calls her the other woman this time. And it just really hurts Magnolia. So she runs away. And that triggers BJ because he's whatever. That parrot pisses me off so bad. He goes home and fucks.
01:12:56
Speaker
Jordan washed his dick Jordan. No, like he didn't even take a shower and even brushes. He didn't know I'm making assumptions like either He told Jordan that he slept with Magnolia. He's like I slept with Magnolia on the trip and she's like, I don't care. Okay She is Come on Gotta get this all in BJ's defense, right? Okay
01:13:25
Speaker
Magnolia stays running away from him like anytime they take she runs even after he told her what happened to him What does she do? She cries and she leaves like she couldn't even see I'm like, yeah, he should he have suffered Jordan? No, but it's like I just get so mad people put all this shit on BJ But I'm like Magnolia is hurting him equally equally. Yeah
01:13:46
Speaker
Like still fucking around fucking her and but she doesn't like I don't think she's consciously aware of it And it didn't hit for me until BJ said he's like you literally went and fucked all these guys. I admired Yeah, she Magnolia became you know, she was in her whole phase in New York literally fucking everyone But it was always like pinpointed entire day's favorite actor everything everything is still about him, you know Yeah, oh my gosh, like oh
01:14:11
Speaker
Magnolia finds out that night when they're at a club and she goes and she's like sobbing in the bathroom because he slept with Jordan and Henry comes and picks her up and is like, no man is worth Magnolia Parks crying on the bathroom floor of a public restroom. So he picks her up and she's like, I know what I'm going to do because they're going to Central Park at midnight is what she says. And who is Central Park at midnight?
01:14:31
Speaker
Julian hates and in the in Daisy hates one man You know, there are all these text messages throughout the books and you know that Julian's texting this like random number And you're like who the fuck is he texting and then an MP one Magnolia recalled that after her and BJ had broken up I forget how they ran into each other whatever I sleep with him Yeah, she like he like took her home one night and then like she just started crying and he just like took care of her for the whole night later
01:14:56
Speaker
It was just they just went such a cute night together He's always been kind of like infatuated with her like Daisy says how he like constantly like checks her Instagram And it's just like that's a little crush on her so then she goes to Julian and they start they start sleeping together and in MP2
01:15:13
Speaker
you're like oh they're fucking like it's like new year's right and uh julian ace throws a new year's party and bj shows up he knows he knows that bj knows him and magnolia are no longer on good terms he's like you know whatever like we've been here before i'll just like i'll get back and then out walks magnolia and julian and bj's jaw
01:15:33
Speaker
I love that scene because he's he's like laughing because this girl's like stumbling out of Julian's room mid-party. He's like, oh, Julian's fucking a girl. And he's like, she looks hot. And he's zipping up her dress. He turns around and it's like Nolia. And then the hottest thing, the hottest thing that Julian can do is he walks down the stairs, manually walks right past him, doesn't even acknowledge him. He goes up to BJ and he's like, hey, happy new year, bud. He slaps him on the cheek a couple of times, like, what's up, man? And the dude's like, oh, he's so hot. But OK, before we talk about
01:16:02
Speaker
Julian and Magnolia, let's back up a little bit to the beginning of Daisy hates two, okay? And Daisy, we find out like page one. Daisy is in bed with Killian Tiller, a cop. A cop. A loser one of that. An American cop. Yeah, an American. Camille, do you want to kind of like go through Daisy and Tiller? Because I know how much you hate that man, but I love hearing you talk about it. Yeah.
01:16:28
Speaker
Yeah, so in the first book, first of all, every day, he go knock on her door like the postman, checking in on your brother. Like, just say you want to look at her. Look up her shirt. As a minor, too. Just say you want to look at her shirt. As a minor, he's flirting with her. Obviously, Daisy, she's a flirt. She's going to do what she got to do. Old man up in here looking her up and down, like, bro, get back to the cop car. Anyways, so he's watching her house, like, squat outside her house, whatever. And Daisy flirts with him, but she honestly is intrigued by him.
01:16:55
Speaker
And so somehow miraculously, miraculously, or whatever the word is, after 10 months, they end up together like when she moved away to like, you know, remove herself from Julian's whole facade. Here come Tiller, eager Beaver can't get ready to hit. Early bird gets the worm, couldn't wait, couldn't wait to talk to her. And so they start dating.
01:17:14
Speaker
And he's showing her normalcy. You know, that's all Daisy's ever craved. Like, she wants to go to the laundromat. She learned how to draw. Like, that's things like that. Like, grocery store. That's what she likes, because she never had that. And so Tiller is giving her all of this. And she's like, she's never going to be as happy as she was ever with anybody else but Christian. But Tiller's a nice little placeholder. And one thing about Daisy is that she sees Christian. Like, she'll literally, she talks to him. You know, she'll like see like a facade. Like, Christian will make a comment. And she'll be like, ugh.
01:17:42
Speaker
he's always there. Like she'll have a good time with Tiller and she'll look over there and Christian it's like his little like whatever she has fixation. The parallels
Julian's Complex Role
01:17:50
Speaker
between Daisy and Magnolia and like how Magnolia never stops thinking about BJ and how Daisy never stops thinking about Christian at this point is like I so genius like the way that Jessa wrote the parallels especially it's like Daisy and Magnolia like had beef so bad in the first two books. Well Daisy had beef with Magnolia.
01:18:07
Speaker
Yeah, Daisy does not like Magnolia. Not at least in the first books. But meanwhile, like Daisy is quote unquote happy with Tiller Christian. When you get his POVs, that man is miserable. Miserable. I'm glad. I'm glad.
01:18:23
Speaker
Like I mean, I think yeah, obviously through yeah, he needed to be miserable a little bit Same thing with BJ as long as we're talking about misery of men Yeah, I think that's fair like that man he like he like the first POV of him He's like walking like I don't remember exactly what he's doing I think he's just like walking around but he like he can't stop thinking of how much he misses Daisy how much he loves her how he's in the sidewalk
01:18:51
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Like he just like everything reminds her of him or reminds him of her. Excuse me. And so he's just like, meanwhile, he's all he is like fucking other people, specifically Vanna. We'll get more into Vanna later. But like, sorry. No, you're fine. But also during these 10 months that Daisy and Christian hardly ever see each other, there is one night where Julian shows up at Daisy's door shocked.
01:19:20
Speaker
And yeah, also Julian has been running from the authorities for so long. He's been in South America doing other shit. He has a dog now. My man. You learn a lot. You learn a lot in the first couple chapters of Daisy Hates 2. But he starts off with her door shut. Daisy fixes him up. Christian is there as well. Christian helped Julian get out of this sick situation. So they're like best buds. I mean, they've always been friends. But they're even closer now.
01:19:47
Speaker
and the first time that daisy and christian like see each other like that is the kitchen yeah that that scene was because you learn daisy's kind of been like lying to herself and to taylor like oh i'm so normal now i have this normal life and then like you learn that she has this like room in her house that she like doesn't let anyone in and it's just like all her old life
01:20:07
Speaker
in the medical room. She calls it like a shrine to her love for Christian. Like that room. Oh my God. Yeah. So like I paid no, like she and Tiller do have some sweet moments. Like I did highlight some stuff. But like he's a great kisser. We learn second best kiss of her life.
01:20:26
Speaker
Oh yay. You know who's first? Good kisses. One of my favorite scenes is like, well Daisy over here is one of Tiller's like lady cop friends who was his ex like shitting on Daisy and he doesn't defend her at all. Christian would have beat the shit out of anybody who was talking about Daisy like that.
01:20:44
Speaker
So like one of my favorite scenes in the book, not my favorite, but one of my favorite scenes in the book. She like calls Christian up. I do, I don't know why so hot cause I hate guns. Like guns like gross me out. I hate them so much, but in books obviously, like it's different, but they, she like confronts Tiller at a cop bar. There's like a ton of fucking cops and she invites Christian to come with, yeah, she invites Christian. They're like making out at the bar to like piss Tiller off. Tiller was like, what the fuck?
01:21:09
Speaker
and they're arguing and then one of my favorite scenes is like Daisy whips her gun out and points at Tiller's forehead and Christian whips his out at the exact same time because- I think she takes his gun, Tiller's gun. Oh yeah, she takes Tiller's gun and Christian whips his out and like points it at his lady friend and like Daisy's like, of course- Don't they have a conversation about the type of gun? Well, she says it in her footnotes. She's like, she does exactly what kind of gun it is and they like talk about their gun. She's like, oh, is that new or something like that?
01:21:35
Speaker
And like they just like made for each other and their brains work the same and like uh tiller's like oh you two against the whole london police department and she's like yeah wouldn't be a fair fight we'd fucking smoke you so then she and christian walk out and they're like giggling and like running down the street and then they go fuck up against a jeep the jeep that he taught her to drive in such a good scene such a oh my
01:21:57
Speaker
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01:22:23
Speaker
staring at her, and she's like, yeah. Okay, I also have to mention, this is before, Christmas is before they're back together, and so is this one scene when they go to their little art day moment, and she's like, he's like talking about, she's like, Christian, you're ruining art day, and he's like, in his head, he's like, I don't want to ruin any more things ever for her ever again, so we just like, shut up. Yeah. And then like, she's talking about the painting that she loves, and he's like, yeah, I love it too.
01:22:46
Speaker
Oh, yeah. And that moment that they were in Julian's house or whatever, and like he ran into Magnolia, they were both like, sure, like she didn't have clothes on, he didn't have clothes, like they're undergarments on. And it's like, he's like, I'm gonna go, she's like, you're back.
01:23:02
Speaker
They're sibling little banter. That's such a good scene. That's one of the best scenes in Magnolia Parks, too. Magnolia and Christian are running into each other because Magnolia is fucking Juliet and Christian is fucking Daisy and that's the first time you realize that Daisy and Christian are kind of back together. I was giddy reading that scene. I was like, I'm so happy.
01:23:22
Speaker
Oh that scene is so funny. It's such a good scene. I know I keep saying this in audio too. It's genuinely so funny because the Magnolia narrator and the Christianator are both really really good. Even if you don't listen to the whole audiobook because it's pain at least listen to that scene because it is so fucking funny in their point of views when especially when Magnolia and Christian are just like arguing because she's like I was voted best friend and he's like when you were nine and they were just like they're just so stupid. I love
01:23:48
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I feel like Julian's defending her. And then he picks her up and drags her back into the room. He's like, do you want me to go out and fight for you, Ty? Oh, and when he said Daisy's name when Vanya really says stupid ass taped on. Oh my gosh. There's so much. There's so much. Kimmy will probably have to leave us soon, but I think we're gonna keep chatting. So, Kimmy, any other parting words?
01:24:12
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about MP2 and DH1, like any other favorite moments that stick out to you, anything that you would wanna say before you have to go? Yeah, Daisy, no, sorry, Julian Magnolia at the gym when he flipped her, that's definitely one of them. That scene was so hot. Okay, and then, honestly, yeah, what I said with Vanya, like, oh, Magnolia and Daisy's friendship, first of all, love that whole arc of their friendship.
01:24:40
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And then her getting Vanya back. Like Magnolia, she knew exactly what she was going to, my little tech wizard. She said, nobody fucked with my friends. That's what she said. No one will fuck with my people. That's what she said. So yeah, I really liked that moment. And then just for a little bit of pain, exactly. First of all, in the Magnolia 2, when we lost my twin, that was gut wrenching. So not favorite, but that was very like, oh my gosh, I cried for two weeks, seriously.
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To this day, it hurts. It's fresh on me. And then when my people got ripped away from each other, I think that was awesome. Kimmy, thanks for joining us. Thanks for backing me up. We love you so much. I feel like once Magnolia like the series is complete, we'll have to do like
01:25:25
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apart. Another one. I don't want to say when this series is complete, when maybe the next, the next vote drops. Yeah, because the series is going to be complete in 2030. Like she wants, she wants me to be a hag when I'm reading the news.
01:25:40
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Okay, bye Kimmy! Kimmy had to leave, but we haven't even touched on Magnolia and Julian yet, so we definitely haven't had an episode quite yet. Kendra, can you talk a little bit about it? Yes, so we talked about how earlier that Magnolia and Julian get together around New Year's and in MP2.
01:26:12
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in mp2 we start to see that magnolia and julian just really i think it's like the most amount of time that we've spent so far with magnolia in another relationship that wasn't bj because even when she was with tom like
01:26:25
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the basis of her and Tom's relationship was like okay we're doing this like they were each other's what they call it boxholes so like it was just different so this is like her being with someone all the time um literally just basically living out his compound and like yes like the whole time she's still like missing bj and like hurting over him
01:26:44
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but you just see like little things that julian starts to do for her and how he's there for her and a moment that really sticks out to me is bj's birthday so his fuck ass girlfriend jordan decides to throw bj a birthday dinner but she doesn't invite magnolia which everyone in the box says like why the like even if her and bj aren't together like you don't not invite her to his birthday because bj says like my birthday is not even like about me anymore it's like about her he's also born on valentine's day my king
01:27:14
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and she doesn't get invited and the way that Julian like comforts her through that and like just reassures her you're like oh man like damn and the whole time you're just like Julian Magnolia like will question him sometimes like like you I think you care about me a little more than like what you're letting on because Julian tries to like put a front that like you know this is just fucking he's aware that she's in love with someone else like whatever like never been disillusioned about that
01:27:40
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So that's how it is in MP2 but then in DH2 reading all this from his point of view it's the most painful thing ever because Julian is so self-aware of how he feels about her and like he is in love with her and that the fact that he like was able to I don't know if manifest is like the right word but like he had a crush on her for so long and now like she's in his house and like he's like in awe
01:28:03
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Yeah. And like, he's never been in love before. So like the fact that he's feeling it for the first time, like, Oh, my God. Yeah.
01:28:14
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I mean, we kind of knew, like after MP2, after we read that in August, we had to wait, you know, several months or whatever for Daisy hates to come out. We kind of like had an inkling of what would happen in Julian's point of view. We were like, he's going to slowly come up with her. It was way more painful and hurtful than like anything that I personally could have imagined. Like it was just not because not only do you get a lot of the scenes,
01:28:37
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from that we already saw in Long Way Home in Julian's point of view, you also get a couple of extra things too. But like, you know, the scene that Kendra had mentioned, for example, with the BJ
01:28:48
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the B.J. birthday party, her not being invited, she's like so hurt, she goes to the compound, she's crying, whatever, and she just walks up to Julian in his office, she just like lifts her arms up or whatever, and like, you know, just like as a, as an invitation to just like, you know, have sex with me right now. And so then of course, you know, he has sex with her, but like the conversation that they have afterwards, like when the In Another Life line comes up, like everybody knows that line, that's that scene, and she says, you know, in like, they say In Another Life,
01:29:18
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could have loved you. And then Magnolia says, you know, in other life I would have let you. And then he says in his monologue, his inner monologue, because obviously you don't get this in Long White Home, he says, well, you know, never mind that I already love her in this one. And so that's like his first time that he specifically acknowledges to himself that he actually is in love with this person.
01:29:38
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oh my god like i can't i'm gonna start crying especially because i just read this and it oh my god i can't she's like talking to him about how because he like asked her like how is it like loving someone like the way that you love bj and she's just describing it like how bj is like her every thought and how like she can't like function without thinking about him and like how he's just everywhere yeah and her point of view it's like her like really thinking about
01:30:03
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her relationship with bj and being sad because like her and bj aren't together and can't figure their shit out and then in julian's point of view he's like getting sick because he's realizing that everything that she's saying is how he feels about her and it's just so painful another like parallel in the
01:30:18
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two books that I love or like seeing the different point of views is when they all go to Italy so again fucking Jordan for BJ's birthday in addition to throwing that dinner she wants to they go on a trip to Italy that was supposed to be just her and
01:30:35
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bj but then the whole box set gets invited and then julian and magnolia get invited as well like every couple is there like everyone is there with someone so it's magnolia and julian in this house sleeping together while bj is also in this house like with jordan and in long way home i'm just like aching for bj because there's this moment where they're like in the kitchen and they're like having this conversation and like
01:31:03
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they're kind of like pleading with each other like why can't either one of us just like put up the white flag and like in this and it's so painful and then you get to daisy hates too and it's julian like being so observant that like magnolia is like miss bj and like spending all this time and like so mad he punches the fucking wall because he's so mad that she's spending so much time with bj
01:31:24
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And it's just so sad. It's hard to love Julian so much because it makes me hate Magnolia a little, but it's not her fault. She doesn't know.
01:31:40
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I love Julian and Magnolia, right? They're currently my favorite couple, but I know. I'm not one of those people that is in Justice DMs begging for them to be ending. I know. I'm not stupid. I know that she's going to end up with BJ and I want that. But my heart just can't let go of Julian and Magnolia.
01:32:00
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and also in in Lake Como while this is happening there's another storyline going on as well with the with the gang situation and Julian has this lunch with we find out that it's actually Daisy's aunt their aunt who is an arrival gang and they're upset because Daisy killed one of their people in the last Daisy hates book and so
01:32:18
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Basically, these people then threaten the people that Julian loves, aka Daisy and now Magnolia. And so Julian finally starts to realize the wheels start to turn in his head. He's like, he's like, oh, fuck, I can't. He's like, I'm never going to be able to hang on to Magnolia, hang on to Daisy or not Daisy, but specifically Magnolia.
01:32:37
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um because he loves her because he's like because of the way that the life that i live i am never going to be able to protect these people all the time because of who i am and so you know before this he's kind of started to think to himself he's like oh we can make it work we can make it work like he is thinking in his head how he can make a life yeah he's like being delusional thinking about how he can make it work with magnolia and then there's another scene later on that oh my god like i can't stop thinking about this when i texted this
01:33:06
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to Kendra the other day, because I was just like so upset because I know how much you struggle with Julian and Magnolia. I really struggle with Julian and Magnolia girlie. So like there's a scene where he is at dinner with her and Magnolia and her POV. She's like, oh, this kind of feels like a date, whatever. But in his POV, he like goes to the bathroom for a second and he's like, OK, he's like hyping himself up because he's like, I'm going to tell him that I love her. He's like, I'm going to tell her we're going to make it work. We're going to do this. He comes back out.
01:33:34
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And this little bitch from the previous book, Ezra Brown, is there talking to Magnolé. And it just like in that moment, it just all comes crashing down for him. And so then he's just, oh, that like it breaks my heart because I'm going to start crying.
01:33:52
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Yeah, it's like, it's just so much more painful than you could ever imagine. Like you read the first you read Magnolia parks to and you're like, Julian's gonna fall in love with her. Like we all knew that that was gonna happen. You don't understand that he's already basically halfway in love with her before they even sleep together. And then he falls
01:34:10
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so incredibly hard for her and refuses to let her see it because He loves her so much that he only wants her to be happy and safe and he knows that he's so self-sacrificing it's crazy because you see Magnolia and BJ and all they care about is Their relationship with each other and like I can't fault them for that like I love them together I really do and like I understand how deeply they love each other and why and
01:34:33
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But all Magnolia and BJ's POV is about each other. That's all that it is. And then you see Julian, who loves her, maybe as much as anybody who's not BJ can love Magnolia, he's loved her more than anybody else in the entire series. And he's just letting it all go for her safety and for her happiness. And a thing that I love in MP2 is that BJ, I think for the first time,
01:35:04
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he was also like becoming very aware that julian and magnolia probably had something that could threaten what he and magnolia had like all the other guys that that she had previously been with and there's this moment i think it's probably like right before they go to italy and it's this whole chapter i love it so much it's like either 50 or 51 but he recounts this moment where
01:35:27
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they go to Bali together and like it's just so fucking hard it's like after they it's after they have broken up Magnolia works for a trial like a fashion magazine whatever she's like the trial editor so they send her all over the world to like review hotels it's just an excuse for her and BJ to spend time alone together and
01:35:43
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this is when bj finds out that she hadn't been sleeping with all these guys that like he had thought and magnolia is like well okay well show me how you pick up all these other girls like and he ends up sleeping with this other girl like in the room next to her feels so bad about it wakes up the next morning holds her on the balcony like they're just crying to each other because they realize that they hurt each other on purpose and then
01:36:03
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they have breakfast together and I just love like this is the moment that solidifies at least to me that it was always gonna be BJ Magnolia because it just shows like how much that they know each other and care for each other and how much he cares for her and it's like such a little ass thing where he orders
01:36:22
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they order room service and he will order eggs benedict even though he doesn't like it and magnolia like loves to pride herself on being different and will order like food that like she doesn't like just to try it she's me honestly like he knows like she she won't want to eat it so he orders eggs benedict because he knows it's her favorite
01:36:39
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and then he ends up giving it to her and she's like what the like what do you mean you don't like eggs benedict like you order it all the time and he just like tells her like parks every time i think you're gonna was it like every time i think you're gonna swing left you swing left swing left yeah and he like talks to her through about like her anxiety and like you get even more clarification on like why she thinks the way she thinks even like about clothes too he's like it's like your head thing like he's trying to like ease her into it
01:37:05
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And at the end of that chapter, she's like, oh, so you know about that? And he's like, of course I know. Of course I know. And he recounts another moment when they were at school and he had to take care of her. And he ends that chapter with saying, so I don't care how much Julian knows her or whatever, because I know her better. I loved her first. And I was like, fuck. And then they just like.
01:37:25
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That's why I have so many conflicting feelings because it's like I love that scene and I love them together and then I get to Daisy hates too and I'm just like but but then Julia knows her too because there's a Daisy and Magnolia have a moment where they're like confiding in one another like it's so beautiful and Magnolia confesses to Daisy how like she lost a child and like that's why her and BJ like kind of the way they are.
01:37:47
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And Daisy's like, okay, I'm going to tell this to Julian and maybe this will help him get out of it. And she tells him and Julian's like, oh, I know. I know everything about it. I know that they had a baby girl. I know that she was in inpatient outpatient care.
01:38:01
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And he still loved her. He knows why that girl can't leave B.J. alone. And he's like still so deeply in it. And Daisy loved it. She was like, I want us to be a family because she knew how much Magnolia made her happy. Yeah, because at this point, Daisy and Christian are back together. And so she sees like how her, herself, Christian, Julian, and Amelia like all interact together. And she loves it. Like she. Oh, God, it's so fucking painful. But the other thing about Julian and Magnolia is not only, you know,
01:38:31
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Just that Julian is you know in love with her they genuinely felt at least to me like Just like natural like they had very natural chemistry so good. He's always like coming up Like yeah, yeah like just like it's the same way that Christian always kisses the back of Daisy's head like I love that about like when couples have like little things you know that they always do and that's Like it's just
01:38:58
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like just like small natural things that a normal couple would do and like like there's a scene where there's like a bunch of there's a gang lord meeting and she walks in and she's like you know doing her a little magnolia thing like criticizing people's clothes and taking measurements to go out shopping for other people and he's just like in awe of her like he is obsessed like smiling at her he's not like telling her to leave like he is enjoying himself and i just yeah
01:39:27
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Their relationship ends when Julian, because he knows that she needs to be with BJ, whatever. So he purposely causes a fight with BJ, gives BJ his moment to stand up, because he's kissing another girl in the club or something and Magnolia sees it.
01:39:43
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It was all self-sacrificing because in Magnolia's book, you're thinking, oh, it's just Julian, like, fucking around, like, he just stays fucking around. And then, no, it was all planned. It was all- It was hard for him. It was very difficult. Oh, my God. That's my king, bro. I love him so much. So jumping from a less heavy topic, we get a lot of Daisy and Christian joy in this book, which is why it's my favorite. There's just like so many beautiful scenes before more heartbreak.
01:40:09
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but one of the best scenes and that like really tests like Daisy's healing around her feelings about like Christian being with other people and whatever is the fact that Vanna that
01:40:21
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loser that we were talking about, Christian hooking up with a lot while he and Daisy were apart, releases a sex tape of her and Christian. It's so loser, but it's also like, the scene is like so funny, but also like so emotional. It's so funny because like all the girls like immediately like go and watch it. And Christian's like, just kind of like shrugs it off. He's like, he's like, doesn't really have anything to lose by this. He's like, oh, it sucks. And like, Dana's weird for that, but like, I don't really care. I didn't watch it. And Daisy's like so hurt because he's like,
01:40:50
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she's watching it and she's like he's fucking her the way that he fucks me and like it just looks like us that's what she said yeah she said it looks like us and magnolia's like it's not you like and that's like another really like heart to heart moment that's like a separate moment from the billy moment but it's just like still so really beautiful and magnolia like talks her through it and she and christian talk and christian's like did you watch the end of it and she's like what end and they
01:41:15
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like get the actual tape and fast forward to the end and he comes and he says Daisy's name in Vanna's like what the fuck and Daisy's like you think about me when you have sex with other women he's like exclusively yeah so that like that part is so cute and sweet I love that yeah but then of course it wouldn't be a Magnolia Parks book if we didn't end with pure agony
01:41:38
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on all sides, too. On all fucking fronts. So at the end of MP2, it seems like a random car crash with Magnolia and Bridget, and Magnolia breaks her collarbone, and Bridget's okay, like everybody's there at the hospital, and that's when BJ and Magnolia are like, why are we apart, like life's too short, like we need to be together, and BJ's helping her recover, they get engaged. He buys her a house. He buys her a house. He did buy her a house.
01:42:05
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it's all just so like sweet and oh my god yes they're gonna be together you know like oh i saw the writing i saw the writing on the wall because everybody's so concerned about magnolia and bridget's seemingly fine that she's so exhausted that she leaves the hospital after the accident without getting checked out
01:42:24
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Turns out she's a fucking brain aneurysm a couple weeks later as a result of the crash and Dies fucking dies. It was so random too. Like well not random, but like I didn't see the writing The scene the way that just to set it up. It was like, oh, they're just like at the house chillin like talking about the wedding Yeah, like everything's so happy. I'm gonna go take a nap They're made of honor
01:42:47
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And then you get a fucking random ass flashback of her and Bridget like as kids and then oh, yeah No, she's dead. And then it's fucking BJ trying to resuscitate her. Oh, that's how the book it I'm like just you sick ass woman that that part is like so painful You're like no way Daisy hates to can be more painful than that, right? I don't know if it's more painful, but like I
01:43:06
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on a similar level. Yeah, because you find out that the car crash wasn't a fucking accident. It was the people who were after Julian knowing that he was in love with Magnolia intentionally causing that accident. Julian ends that book not even knowing if Magnolia survived the accident. Yeah, because he saw it with his, he was there because he knew. Yeah, and then he sees the car crash, runs out to like go
01:43:30
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go like ragged back in his bodyguard like drags him back because he realizes okay like we need to like he had he screams he he's had to be sedated but i also just i have to say because again i just listened to this this morning he's screaming while while like their his bodyguards are dragging him back he's like but i love her i love her
01:43:51
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okay i'm sorry oh and because he he wanted to get back with her again he was like okay fucking i don't care oh yeah because they were doing this friends thing magnolia and bj were like well let's just be friends he's like he didn't know this can be fucking friends then i need to like he's like i can love her why the fuck are they wasting time so he's like losing it he has to be sedated they're going on a private jet to god knows where we don't know and he sends his bodyguards out to go get fucking daisy
01:44:15
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and because he thinks that they're going to go for Daisy next. Yeah. Yeah. So Daisy gets scooped up there at the hospital because Christian's mom had an accident, which we're not going to touch on here, but it like plays a plot point. Christian is
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01:44:25
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so fucking distraught that Daisy's being ripped away from me. He pulls a gun on Jonah and goes out to the car where they blocked Daisy and is punching the window of the
01:44:33
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the armored car so hard that he breaks all of his knuckles, his fingers trying to get to her and they drag Daisy out to the plane and Julian's like drugged out of his mind because he had to be sedated because he couldn't and then that's how that fucking book ends. That she's so you I hate that Rome is on the plane to you. Oh, yeah, she's going to fuck Rome again. I can feel it. I don't want it. Oh, my God.
01:44:58
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So you in MP2 knowing that yes Bridget said it is very tragic and very sad but BJ Magnolia together and Jessa has confirmed that they are in-game their next book will be their final book. Daisy on the other hand and Christian separated again like oh my fucking god and they have two more books and she refuses to confirm whether or not they're in-game. I think they will be because it's like there's no fucking way they will be. I just think she loves torturing people and it's just like so obvious that BJ Magnolia are her favorites so yeah I do think it's interesting that like
01:45:28
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that daisy hates gets so gets two more books so i'm like what yeah what is happening with but there's just so the plot is just so much more intricate in daisy's books because of all the gang shit so i just feel like this is gonna be cracked and wide open now yeah so everyone just everyone's just in pain and i know that you said it was a random ash flashback with bridget like at the end of it's important but like it i
01:45:53
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I, the thing with Bridget is she plays such a, I don't want to say silent, but she plays, especially in the second book, a huge role. She's such a catalyst in that book, because, you know, you learn from the beginning that Bridget is the one who has basically been convincing BJ to go to therapy.
01:46:14
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You know, she's going to school herself for psychology, psychiatry, something like that. Something, yeah. Something smart. Bridgette's smart and she's very level-headed. She's logical. She's always been kind of the voice of reason in this group. And we love her and her and Magnolia's relationship is, you know, was always funny to read about. It was always fun to read about. Like that's their sisters and they've always been there for each other because they both have dad issues. They both have, you know, parental problems, but they've always been there for each other. That flashback made me cry like,
01:46:45
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Cause it's the first time that you experienced Magnolia's like anxiety. Like she, it was the first time that she said herself, she remembers feeling anxiety and Bridget kind of calmed her down and walked her through it and, and, oh, like I can't.
01:47:00
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I'll start crying again like it's just a lot like so yeah you end you end these books with Bridget dead uh bj trainer or satisfactor magnolia loses her sister dz and christian are separated and julian is sitting down a plane yeah so it's just a lot going on but that's how the series ends um or not ends excuse me yeah that's where we left off so we still have three more books to go
01:47:26
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I can't even begin to predict what's going to happen. I think, like I said, Daisy and Christian will be endgame. I do think that Julian will get another love interest. I truly don't know how Jessa could talk Magnolia, so I'm hopeful. I just want my man to be happy. I just want him to be happy so bad. I think Magnolia had to show him that he could love someone. Exactly. Before that, he was just like, no, I'm not built for it. No, no, no. So now that he knows that he's capable of it,
01:47:58
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I have no idea. I do think that like once.
01:48:03
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perhaps when BJ and Magnolia are finally married. I think that in like a future Daisy hates book, I think that Magnolia and Julian will have some kind of heart to heart. Like perhaps when he's starting to fall for another person and he's nervous about that, maybe they'll have like some kind of discussion about like, I don't know, hopefully like have a discussion about how she helped him learn the love and how it's okay for him to do it again. I don't know. Just said that they're going to reunite.
01:48:29
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like you see in the dark or in the dark, whatever. I just know that scene is going to make me want to like sit in a bathtub.
01:48:37
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drink myself to death like yeah like everything that i could do to harm myself i'm gonna want to do after reading that scene um so this has been a very very very long episode we clearly had a lot to say um if you stuck around yeah we didn't even talk on everything if you stuck around this long thank you so much we're gonna play a quote roulette game this is a game that we play a lot in our group chat and we did i think it might have started honestly with this series where we started to do it all the time
01:49:04
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It's so much fun to play. So basically, we're going to go through our Kindle highlights, randomly scroll, and then we'll say someone will say stop. And then you have to just read whatever quote that you land on. Yeah, these these books on my Kindle are my most highlighted books like ever, like hundreds and hundreds of highlights in each book. So it's I'm guaranteed to land on a different quote pretty much every single time. So OK, who wants to go first? Daisy or excuse me, Magnolia Parks one. I can.
01:49:33
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okay so tell me when okay and when this is a quote and then jonah charges after him so bj goes after jonah and i go after beat and i have this peculiar floaty feeling that perhaps i have loved too many boys and maybe i've made too many boys love me oh oh self-aware yeah it's it's about christian okay tell me when to stop when
01:50:00
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This is chapter 44, BJ's point of view. Ooh. Oi, Parks, do you really not want me to come in there or are you pretending that you don't want me to come in because you like to play hard to get because it makes you feel in control of me or us and whatever the fuck we are. But actually, you'd be fucking stoked if I jumped in there and fell you up against the wall. Gucci changing room. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good one. That's when they kiss again for the first time. Yeah. So good. And she's like, that one. Tell me when.
01:50:28
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When? Okay. Um, this is chapter 35. Oh, I, this is, she's talking about Tom. I wonder whether I'm going to feel like a stranger when we kiss, like the girl who was kissing BJ, but I don't. When I kiss Tom, I just feel like me. Ooh. Yeah. Yeah. Look at back now. It's like, I know, but in the moment, all right, I'm on Daisy hates. Tell me when.
01:50:53
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when it says he's over there in the driver's seat squashing away a smile looking at bottom of his not saying a fucking word and i'm all shy i've never shy i don't mind it though sitting next to him saying nothing feels like taking off a corset a great undoing if you will and he will in every way the great undoing a great undoing sitting next to him in silence oh damn so much
01:51:18
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All right, tell me when when I think this is when oh, this is when Daisy is talking to Rome and he goes You don't think I know what it looks like when you're in love with someone Okay, tell me when when
01:51:39
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I love that you close your eyes, Kayla, do it. I don't want to cheat. Oh, this is when they're on their date. Chapter 40. Oh, and she says next on the list, Ikea, have you been? It's actually kind of horrible. It's too big. Feels like a maze. There's a lot of rooms to make out in those. So I'll give it that.
01:51:58
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This is where they did, BJ is like words, right? Like he'll tell you, he loves you all the time. We're Christian, like, he has trouble with words. He's actions. So I like that. He doesn't have trouble with words in days age two, which I appreciate. That's what his growth is. Okay. It took him 10 months. Yeah. The way he was like, I'd leave with you now if you asked me to. And she's like, you don't have to leave this time. Okay. All right. I'm on long way home. Uh, when it's highlighted in blue, which means it's a sad one.
01:52:28
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Oh, fuck you guys, this is like Magnolia about BJ. He's never needed me, not with his functional family and his loving parents and siblings coming out of his eyeballs and all his aunts and uncles and grandparents who are sober and checked in, who love him very overtly and very loudly all the time at his rugby games when he did well at school on his birthday. They were there for him, how you need your family to be. He didn't need much from me. Actually, I think the only thing he's ever really needed for me was well,
01:52:55
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He met that need with somebody else in a bathtub one night.
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Damn. That's not true. That's just how she's feeling. Yeah, right. Oh my god. Holy fuck. I need a minute. Okay. You ready? When? Yeah. When? Oh, this is chapter 54. And Magnolia. No, BJ goes, do you not think I look good today? I asked immediately. She turns her head away from me. I think you look good every day.
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Mind you, there were different people at this time. How's the same chapter that I just read mine from? Amazing. Both were 54. All right, Kayla. When? This is a good one. This is from chapter 37. This is BJ. Holy fuck, she's beautiful. All these suns were staring out from other galaxies that I'll never get to see except in the way they're making her eyes light up right now. Hair a mess from the wind up here. Her cheeks are pink from the cold. Oh my God.
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I'm on the great undoing. I hate how out of control loving him feels and I hate that I'm with somebody else and so is he. This is at Christmas. I hate that
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that doesn't seem to matter because it does matter to me even though it doesn't. I hate that I got used to being without him and that it's not even a month back home with him just hanging around the house with my brother to undo something I spent the last year trying to box up and leave behind. Never mind that I love someone else now too. Never mind how Christian hurt me.
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Never mind that I spent months in twisted heart agony trying and failing to get over loving him because here I am a year to the day where I stood on the steps of a church daring him to touch me again so my brother might have a reason to fight him. And right now I have my face pushed against the past peering back at what we were. Jesus. Wow. Sorry. All mine are really long. No, no, no. That's just. Yeah, dude. That's right before she like literally two paragraphs later, she says it's my favorite Christmas ever. Oh, I love that scene. That's also dysfunctional.
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I know. Okay, tell me when. When. When. I'm so sorry. Oh no. It's chapter 64, Julian. Oh, that's like, oh, Jesus. Okay. And he's talking to... I'm gonna kill myself. Magnolia. I love him. I think I've done a bad job of showing him that. I know the filling parks. Duck again so I can catch those eyes of hers that keep falling. And him, you.
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All right. Okay. Ready? Yeah. Yeah. When? I also got a Julian one. This is chapter 53. Okay. Yeah. I flashed her a smile. Like it doesn't kill me to hear cause she's talking about BJ earlier. There's not much I wouldn't give just to have her next to me in it all. Anything really just not her life. And I'm pretty sure that's the going rate. Oh fuck. He would literally do anything that wasn't hurting Magnolia to keep her.
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And that's the going rate. Oh my God. Well, that was fun, guys. This was a long one. If you made it to the end, we thank you so much. You're probably like a true MPU girlie just like us. And this is like also like a nice long one. We took last week off because it was Thanksgiving. This episode is coming out right before December 3rd. So happy December 3rd to all who celebrate.
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We know we probably missed a lot, but there's just so much to talk about with this series. This series is all of our Roman empires. If you want to talk about it with us, go to our Instagram at bring your own pod. If you liked hearing us talk about Magnolia parks and you want us to hear us talk more about it, we'll definitely do one of these again, like we were saying earlier.
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Also shout out Kimmy for joining us for as long as you could today. This was just so, so much fun. And I don't know, I love the series. I know Addictant brought us together, but I think this one, like, we're lockers for life. I think this is
Conclusion and Gratitude
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when we started talking every single day. Yeah, because we just like could not get enough of these books or each other. And now look at us, we have a whole podcast together. We vacation to see each other. So wild.
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