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Daily Arsenal - S1 - E146: PSG review... its the hope that kills you
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In this episode as Jamie joins up with the guys at Daily EPL as they reflect on a heartbreaking evening for all Arsenal fans as they just fall short of the UCL final losing to PSG. They analyse where it could have gone better for Mikel Artetas side as well as whats next for the Gunners for the rest of the season. Now if you want to get involved with any of our topics discussed please do get involved through our social media, which can be found in our show notes in the description.
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No English Team Advances in Champions League
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I wish I could say good day and good evening to you all listening to the latest in installment of daily English Premier League podcast brought to you by Global Sports Podcast Network.
00:00:53
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But it's not a good day, it's not a good evening because now we know for sure there will be no more English teams in this season's Champions League. Inter Milan will play PSG and we know that after Arsenal gracefully bowing out of the competition. We're going to talk about the second leg and overall about the performance of Arsenal in this season's Champions League.
Arsenal's Champions League Season Recap
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I'm going to do it with my permanent colleague from Chicago, Illinois, Victor Pleasant. How are you doing?
00:01:19
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Good, man. How are you? Good seeing you both. Yeah, good seeing you too. Well, I'm feeling kind of deflated knowing that we won't be able to cover the Champions League final. But I'm sure Jamie from Daily Arsenal will ah say more about this. how you doing?
00:01:33
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Just heartbroken, deflated. Oh, just, yeah, I just ah quite want the season to be over with now, to be fair.
00:01:43
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Just this game really defined Arsenal's season and to go crashing out the way we did, just, yeah, heartbreaking and deflating.
00:01:54
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And just like that, we've got so you've got something in common with Man United fans, because we also want this season to be over. just just to throw a little bit of humor into that um into that misery.
00:02:06
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Okay, so let's just jump
Analysis of Arsenal vs. PSG Second Leg
00:02:08
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right into it. like um ah Apologies to everyone anticipating or expecting Rodney to be in our podcast, but like we ran into some technical issues and unfortunately we won't be able to hear ah his feedback on the game, but we we hope to hear feedback back on and Arsenal's season probably at Daily Arsenal so we highly encourage you to listen to that podcast as well so um To get into the preview of that second leg at Parc des Princes, I would say that Arsenal, they were like they were really unlucky to go out the way they did because of the fact that they ah created so many chances. They were performing so much better than in the first leg at the Emirates.
00:02:48
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But then again, you kind of feel that you can talk about luck so much until you can no longer blame it on lack of luck. And can you have to blame it on lack of accuracy, lack of concentration, perhaps...
00:03:01
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some feeling of overachieving for some players, probably, that they just did not expect that they would go so far. ah Because we have to remember that this semifinal was the very first ah very first Arsenal semifinal in Champions League since
Arsenal's Unexpected Journey to Semifinals
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2009.
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So that's been a long time since Arsenal got into the Final Four. Jamie, would that be the accurate assessment? Yeah, in all fairness, i I personally believe, and I mean, i said it to the boys, actually, but once we'd come over Real Madrid, I went into the semi-final actually believing we could go on to maybe even win it because you don't get into a semi-final and think, well, OK, well, we've just beaten Real Madrid.
00:03:43
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um We're coming up against PSG. I just don't think we've we've got what it... I don't think we've got enough to to make it into the final. not Not a single Arsenal fan would have thought that.
00:03:54
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But I think it's a fair assessment. You know, the fact that we we came up against Real Madrid, the expectation was not as high.
00:04:06
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But, you know, to even get a result against Real Madrid, which we did in that first leg, was absolutely amazing. And I think now going into the semi-finals... since kind of everything that happened with Real Madrid, Arsenal season's kind of just taken a bit of a dip.
00:04:21
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um And it's just, unfortunately, i think this, along with myself and, you know, everyone from the GSPN Daily Arsenal crew,
00:04:33
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I think we've all got to sit here and take a bitter, bitter pill of reality. this This result, I think, has now brought us back to reality now because for a lot of Arsenal fans, we thought, well, beating Real Madrid, brilliant.
00:04:47
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Going to PSG now, we've we've got every hope now that we can make it into the final and hopefully go and win the final. But... After tonight now, this is ah this is now back to reality now, really.
00:04:59
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Just like in that meme from Eminem.
Arsenal's Missed Opportunities Against PSG
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ah Victor, like if you were to compare ah like anything that would stand out to you for ah like in terms of Arsenal's performance, comparing to, ah for example, the game in October, where Arsenal won 2-0 against the same PSG in the league phase, and now, like what would be your takeaways?
00:05:21
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I got to say one thing. I'm actually impressed by Arsenal today because to go into the second game away after losing the first one at home, the intensity was there. I think the press was unbelievable.
00:05:34
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The first 15, 20 minutes, that I still remember that Donnarumma saved. That literally saved the game for PSG. If Arsenal scored there that early, it would have been way different, I think. And they have to be sorry sorry for themselves after not winning tonight.
00:05:49
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That's how I look at this game. I think what PSG did wrong in this game was underestimating Arsenal, how aggressive they will be from the very start. And they woke up on time, I would say, ah especially after that save.
00:06:01
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But maybe it wasn't underestimating. Maybe it was just a matter of tactic that was chosen by Luis Enrique. Yeah. I think it was the mindset. They thought they got it in the bag and then it was a wake-up call, ah the way that Arsenal started the game.
00:06:14
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That's how I feel. But that would be bizarre to assume that just because you won 1-0 away, that already gives you more than 50% chance of qualifying to the final. all They probably thought the crowd's going to drive him through and that didn't happen at the beginning.
00:06:28
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And yeah. Okay. if If I was an Arsenal fan, I would have been way sadder than Jamie, I think. Okay. Because I feel like Arsenal should have won today. Okay.
00:06:40
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Absolutely. and And Jamie, a question to you, because last week we were, me, Victor and Nick, we were talking about what Arsenal lacked in that first leg. We already said that intensity was there, that the desire was there, that the threat was there.
00:06:53
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ah Do you see something else that Arsenal brought to the table that they forgot to bring a week ago?
Arsenal's Premier League Struggles
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you know what? I hate to say this, and I kind of had a rant on on the on my podcast last week about it, but I just felt like the fans, I feel like if you are,
00:07:10
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if you're going into a Champions League semi-final, first leg, doesn't matter if it's first or second leg, but I think the fans could have played a massive massively vital part.
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Now, a lot of people have said to me, well, you know, they scored after four minutes. We were going to feel deflated. So what? are you telling me that after four minutes, you're going to feel deflated for the next 86 minutes and of the game. No, it should never work like that.
00:07:36
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It should work in the sense of, right, well, we're 1-0 down. Let's rally the boys up. And I think the fans could have maybe played their part a bit more... Maybe there was a sense of also overexcitement because, you know, like you said, first time that we've gone into a Champions League semifinal since 2009.
00:07:57
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And I just think, you know, we we kind of, I think we've kind of turned all our attention away from the Premier League. And I think... if we'd maybe be ah If we'd been a bit more complacent, strung some results together in the Premier League, I think the momentum i think momentum in the Arsenal camp is what's kind of killed us a little bit.
00:08:17
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Because we've drawn games, we've lost games. we've you know I think there's a horrible stat going around that you know when we take the lead, we can't hold the lead. And you know again...
00:08:28
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I think the momentum just, it wasn't enough. It just wasn't enough. And I think results in the Premier League haven't helped, unfortunately. And especially, i was at the i was at the game against Bournemouth and, you know, it seems like we we do so great in the first half, we just cannot take our chances. And it was clearly evident tonight in that first 25 minutes that we just couldn't take our chances clearly enough.
00:08:54
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That number nine spot is a painful spot for Arsenal, for sure. you know what I have said for season upon season? Everyone has said it at GSPN Arsenal. We need a striker.
00:09:07
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And the one thing that I also will say is we've never capitalised in January. In January, the first half of the season can go really well for us. For the past three seasons, it's gone really well for us.
00:09:19
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But the mistake that we've made is that we've never invested in January. You look at Villa. you know Villa went bill didn't even need to spend money. They just went and made a couple loan signings.
00:09:29
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And that was it. Now look at Villa. you know we just It'll be interesting to see what they'll be like next season. But again, why can't Arsenal have maybe gone and explored that route? You know, why can't we have maybe explored potential loan signings and maybe turned it turned it into an obligation to buy in the summer?
00:09:48
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You know, there's so much behind it. But again, it just seems like we don't learn our lesson. ah Let me just throw a couple of stats there, just returning to the to the review of the game.
Defensive Challenges and Player Evaluations
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and So we could say that there could be a lot of numbers that could sponsor today's review. ah So instead of just picking up sponsors, let me just say it that and number five, since the start of April, no Premier League side has conceded more goals from set place, excluding pens in all competitions than Arsenal.
00:10:19
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Five, level with Ipswich Town. that is That is a stat. Another stat that I would love to show, would be, would be to talk about is number four.
00:10:30
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and Arsenal have now failed to progress from each of their last four major cup semifinals. That would be 2021 Europa League campaign, 21-22 League Cup.
00:10:41
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and 24-25 League Cup and 24-25 Champions League. This is their longest ever run at this stage of competition. um Okay, and i also have one more stat, which is 3-14, which is ah the XG that Arsenal produced in that second leg against PSG, which is the most by a team against Paris Saint-Germain in a Champions League game this season.
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So that second leg was like kind of like the worst nightmare PSG could actually, be like not hopeful, but like dreadful.
00:11:11
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yeah and yet And yet they somehow survived. So taking all of those stats in, are Arsenal overachievers?
00:11:23
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I wouldn't say overachievers, but I would just say, i think, again, i think since obviously Real Madrid, the you know I think we've just got we've got a bit too carried away with ourselves here. And I think, again, that's had a bit of an impact in the Premier League.
00:11:40
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um But to be overachievers, I mean, no, I just don't think we've overachieved. I think we've just... I think we've just got two carried away. I think we've got two carried away with ourselves, unfortunately. And, you know, like I said, tonight over the two, let well, over the two legs, that's been our downfall.
00:11:59
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I think, again, we we've now finally, we've hit, we've come back to earth with a bit of a reality check now.
00:12:08
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That soccer miss though. oh that would have That is painful. I sat there. I literally i fell to the floor thinking that I just fell to the floor at that moment and I just thought is if it couldn't just get any worse tonight, that was probably one of the best opportunities to have that we could have taken. But again, even in the first half, you know, the the resurgence and the you know the resilience that we really showed was was quite good. And I thought we were very unfortunate not to take any of them chances. But again...
00:12:43
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You know, I look back to the Bournemouth game over the weekend, had so many chances in the first half, didn't take them. What happened? Got punished in the second half by Bournemouth. And it just felt like the exact same tonight. It felt like watching the Bournemouth game all over again, except I was in the comfort of my own home.
00:13:02
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I was waiting for the replay of that Saka, and I'm thinking in my head, please tell me someone touched that ball before him. So that's why he missed it. But no, it was literally clean shot. Clean shot as you like, exactly.
00:13:14
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Clean as you like. Yeah, which would speak of maybe lack of accuracy in those critical moments. You know what? We will get to those individual performance review ah just in a moment. But first, we have to say that ah Arsenal, nowt right now, you know losing on so many fronts, and I really feel sorry for them in that regard.
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Player Performances Against PSG
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I'm joined with Victor from Daily EPL and Jamie from Daily Arsenal. We are now going to talk about the individual reviews of Arsenal players.
00:14:38
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Here, I think there will be some optimism... for Arsenal fans and for all the Premier League fans listening to this podcast. Let's start off with the performance of the player of the match in my book for Arsenal, obviously. and That would be David Raya.
00:14:55
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I will ask you about your grade from 0 to 10 with 5 being average, 10 being awesome, 0 being nobody. ah Let me just say that's going to be a fun stat. No Arsenal player created more chances in the first half against PSG than David Raya himself.
00:15:14
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Jamie, your assessment of David Rayas. Do you know what? Honestly, very unlucky with with the goals that he conceded tonight. And even with the goal that he conceded at the Emirates, it was just it was all very unlucky. But the penalty save, I mean, again...
00:15:31
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I think it was a little... I think it was really cocky, really cocky, because the the way the penalty was taken was like, oh, well, ah going back to what Victor was saying about, you know, the whole kind of like PSG maybe not having that respect for Arsenal in a way. And I think that was shown in the penalty being taken. But I think Raya, for me, would get a solid eight.
00:15:53
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You know, that first s leg at the Emirates really kept us in the tie. gave us that hope and the optimism that, you know what, maybe we could go to Paris and maybe create something there.
00:16:04
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And even tonight, you know, like I said, the two goals, you know, fair enough. Unfortunate. The penalty, great save. We've seen it before in the Champions League. um So for me, he'd get a solid eight.
00:16:16
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But I got to say, Vitinha's take, like how Vitinha approached this penalty was absolutely ridiculous. but The second I saw that penalty, how Vitinha approached it, I recalled how, I think it was Simone Zaza taking a penalty in the shootout against Germany in the Euro 2016. It was just like, going, not going, going, not going, ah, I'm not going anywhere. yeah just now He bottled it so much. Like he could have buried that game right at that spot. He didn't. So like kudos to to David Rea for saving at still.
00:16:46
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ah Victor, your assessment? I would give him a 9. I mean, really, in between both games, there was nothing he could do about any of those goals. And he he came big against with the PK and and everything. So it's a strong 9 for me because I don't see anyone else with a higher than that for him on the goals Arsenal squad. yeah Goals prevented 1.56. Four saves, two hype claims, four saves from inside the box, one penalty saved. Wow.
00:17:14
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Something has to be done about about these PKs. It's happening way too often with the stopping or coming up with something new. We saw Eze again over the weekend. It's it's just, yeah, FIFA and UEFA, they need to do something about these PKs.
00:17:28
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it's It's becoming ridiculous. like Once you start your run, no stopping, no nothing. Just take it like a like it used to be. Right, right. Yeah. So that's a throwback to to the Vitinha's penalty.
00:17:39
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so So that's 8.5, I guess, which would be the average for David Raya, which is pretty good. So now let's move on to the defensive line. um Let's start with Timba, for example, Jurion Timba.
00:17:54
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and Well, how would you assess your performance, Jamie? ah His performance, brother. ah If we're going across the two legs, I would... For me, I think he would probably get...
00:18:10
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I think he'd get a six to be fair. I just think if we're going to throw the first leg into context, that first, just in the first four minutes, you know, he was dragged out, was clearly dragged out. I've said it before, uh, in the early part of the season with Timbers game, he gets very easily dragged out of his position and PSG were able to find, find a way through that.
00:18:34
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And again, that's how Dembele managed to score. Um, Tonight had an average performance, so that's probably why I'm going with a six. I just don't think, I know he's kind of coming back from an injury and I know we're asking a lot of him because obviously, you know, Ben White's been out injured for quite a while.
00:18:53
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um But for me, I'd probably give him a six. All right, Victor. Victor. Six and a half for me tonight. Over the two legs, I will give him six. yeah as As Jamie mentioned, he's diving too much and you cannot do that in a semifinal, especially when you have players like PSG players, attacking players. Yeah.
00:19:12
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I would agree with this assessment as well. So a six for ah Timber. Not the best, but maybe not the best, but also not the worst of of Timber's performances. Absolutely. Okay. But we spoke about Timber's somewhat okay performance.
00:19:26
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What are we going to tell about Saliba though? Because to be honest, like I remember having this discussion and I was told many, many times ah and the but but on the on the waves of this podcast that And when we put Saliba and Kivio together, I'm sorry, but like, like Kivio, he can no longer be put like, you know, better than, than, than Saliba because Saliba, he's like far more experienced. Like he just needs some time.
00:19:50
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I'm not going to buy this argument today because I'm sorry, but Saliba, in my opinion, he had, he would have a far worse performance today. Jamie, your, your thoughts.
00:20:01
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Um, I think with Saliba, he's had a bit of a mixed game again, you know, I don't know where I would... I don't know with Saliba. The thing is, i think he's a great defender, but there are cracks starting to appear in his game and they are, unfortunately, starting to get a little bit worrying.
00:20:21
Speaker
You know, kind of all started with Real Madrid. um Then it happened against Palace. um Tonight, in this case, was a little bit shaky, I realised.
00:20:33
Speaker
There were times where I did see some really good composure from him. um And there were times where it kind of left me a little bit on edge because, again, I think... Arsenal didn't really kind of, I don't know why they didn't take it in from the first leg, but again, the pace of PSG and the youth, you know, they've got quite a young squad.
00:20:54
Speaker
You know, they haven't got the, they haven't got big egos that, ah like they had with Mbappe and Neymar and Messi. But I think, I think tonight Saliba will probably get a six from me.
00:21:10
Speaker
Okay, Victor? Five for me, another disappointing display by Saliba for me, especially in a second leg of a semifinal. Arsenal started dominating the game and he does another huge mistake in the 22nd minute. I marked it only because in my head I remember thinking Arsenal's dominating, they need to score and he makes another huge mistake and and that's just a killer for me.
00:21:34
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um Again, we discussed this before. You would expect Kivir to be the one, the shaky one. But since Kivir joined the team, the first 11, this is a third huge mistake by Saliba. So that's ah alarming.
00:21:47
Speaker
Absolutely. And that he just like that, like those arguments about, ah you know, like Saliba, we have to give him some more time. Like how much more time can you give to a player, especially at this part of the season when you really have to deliver?
00:22:00
Speaker
I mean, you do not. OK, I also understand that the injuries also play their part. So there is no really but better way how to replace Saliba and he just has to stay there because due to the necessity.
00:22:12
Speaker
ah But still. So yeah, I would agree with this assessment. So I guess 5.5, I guess, in the overall average. Jakub Kivior, ladies and gentlemen, ah speaking of of the dude, please do not ah but please disregard the fact that I'm Polish. you can just You can just assess him honestly as much as you like.
00:22:30
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um But with that being said, I do not think that he was as active as he was in the first, like when I could actually see him contributing to the offense as well. ah But, okay, I guess we have to expect and demand results at at the back from a center back.
00:22:45
Speaker
And here, Kivio did just that with, I guess, but I can just bring up some stats ah of basically like one clearance, one total tackle, ah one ground duo won, five aerial duels, three out of them were won.
00:22:59
Speaker
No crucial mistakes made. Okay performance. Would you agree, Jamie? Yeah. Yeah, definitely. i've um i have been quite critical of Kivyor during the course of this season, especially like in the FA Cup games against United.
00:23:14
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um But pleased that he's now been given a run of games. And he's really, do you know what? Surprised me in a really good way. he's been He's been exceptional at the back.
00:23:26
Speaker
You know, he's been great cover for Gabriel. And in all fairness, It'll be really interesting to see how... like When we get into the start of next season, that I will feel for Kivio massively because, again, we talk so much of, oh, well, Gabriel and Saliba at the back. Well, hold on a minute.
00:23:46
Speaker
We also talk about Kivio here because he's he' had a good season. He's had a really good season. um For me, I would probably give him... I'd give him a seven because, again...
00:24:00
Speaker
didn't he didn't contribute as much as he did in that first leg, as you said. But I just, again, you know, didn't really kind of do much for me, but I think he most definitely had that better performance than Saliba.
00:24:14
Speaker
Absolutely. Victor, your thoughts? I would agree with that. I would give him a seven. ah It's interesting with setterbacks. Once you know that you are in the lineup, then europere he's doing a great job.
00:24:26
Speaker
When you come in as a sub, and you have to cover for a game or like for 30 minutes. And he was very shaky in the past like that. But now that he knows after Gabriel got injured and that he's going to be that guy, he's fully focused. He hasn't made any terrible mistakes.
00:24:41
Speaker
Even tonight, he was he was solid. He knew when to be aggressive, when to contain. And I think he's ah very solid. And it it will give something ah to think to Arteta when the new season starts. um Yeah, yeah yeah there there will be competition in the center, like in that position, which is amazing for Arsenal because the more competition there is with though for those individual positions, the better the team can get because competitiveness is always like a good factor in terms of building a squad.
00:25:06
Speaker
So yeah, as far as we agree on Kyivyo, and I think we're going to agree with the next one, the next pick the and the next player that we have to assess, ah Kivio will probably remember this tie against PSG, of course bitterly as the entire team, but individually-wise, I think he's going to be ah remembering it very fondly because he was solid and he stepped up.
00:25:31
Speaker
But I do not think we can say the same thing about Lewis Kelly, and although the performance at the first leg was far, far better than what we saw right now like what we saw last night. That was just a total disaster.
00:25:43
Speaker
And I um i probably, Louis Skelly really wants to forget about the second leg and about this entire match overall. Your fault, Jamie. Yeah, I agree. I think, see, with Louis Skelly, I saw traits of him, um you know, like against Wolves, against, you know, just the little reckless. i think, you know, I speak so much, we speak so highly of him. And I always say that,
00:26:10
Speaker
He doesn't feel pressure. However, tonight showed that the pressure kind of got to him. ah It was him against... It was him against... Who was he up against tonight, sorry?
00:26:25
Speaker
From PSG. Dwayne? Dwayne, yeah. And I just think, you know, everyone's spoken so highly of Douay. And I mean, the commentators were even saying tonight that you couldn't even get shirt with his name on the back because of how popular and how good he is.
00:26:45
Speaker
And I think Douay kind of gave Myles Lewis Skelly a bit of a reality check in a way, you know, he He got a a silly yellow card as well. I think, you know, it wasn't really needed for him to do what he'd done.
00:26:59
Speaker
um But I think for me, Myles Luskele probably gets, I'd probably say a six. It's just that there were there were hints of, like, recklessness to his game. And I just don't think he could cope with Douay.
00:27:17
Speaker
yeah I would agree with the assessment I just cannot be too critical on the kid because he's only 18 he kind of came out of nowhere into this Staryuk lineup I'm talking about the season not just this game it just shows to be a big big player and he's going to be left back for England for for years to come I'm pretty sure about that so I can't really be judging about this this kid yet he will easily forget this game I'm pretty sure about that Yeah. ah To be honest, once I looked at the average positions, I might have um i might have committed a mistake here because I just ah thought said Dwayne because of his position, like nominal position on the tackle, but it was Barcola.
00:27:58
Speaker
It was Barcola. Oh, Barcola, fair enough. But this doesn't change your point at all. ah so yeah ah Yeah, we just have to replace the names and that's it. ah so He's one guy that he's not he does not need to take any responsibility about what happened to. in the semi-final because no if you're in the locker room, that's not your player.
00:28:16
Speaker
You're going to go with the more experienced guys. So for him, this is going to be a great lesson going forward. a Great lesson. Exactly. And just like that, we've completed the the defensive line.
00:28:28
Speaker
and We will speak of substitutions at the end. ah Let's move to the second line. And I have to start with captain Martin Odegaard. I think he performed way better than during the first leg when he was almost nowhere to be found.
00:28:42
Speaker
ah But still, I think in terms of Arsenal's standard and how he should be bringing it out and what he and like he used to like he used to be bringing to the table, there was still some room for improvement there. Right, Jamie?
00:28:55
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. I mean... Saw it against Bournemouth over the weekend. I thought, you know what? Probably one of his slightly improved performances.
00:29:07
Speaker
Saw hints of it again tonight. But again, I will stress it. You are captain. You're captain of Arsenal. Now, look, I don't know what could be going on behind the scenes. whether it's still whether Because I've realised since he's come back from injury, he's just not been that same player.
00:29:23
Speaker
You know, he's he's been so renowned and so well known to just stand on the penalty spot, take a shot from there, and you probably know that it would either go in the back of the net or at least hit the target.
00:29:37
Speaker
But tonight, I mean, apart from the the one chance he had, which was a great shot at goal, I thought, you know what, maybe this could be the start of something for Odegaard. But again, didn't really see much of Odegaard tonight.
00:29:51
Speaker
So for me, I'd probably give him a six. so So no redemption after that first leg, but no catastrophe either.
Midfield Impact and Speculations on Outcomes
00:30:02
Speaker
No, I feel like after that shot he had at goal, his runs forward were were good we're okay, but I just don't think, again, it was, I just don't think it's enough for for me to give him a higher rating.
00:30:15
Speaker
Okay. Victor, your thoughts? Yeah, six and a half max. Again, it it was definitely different than the first game. He was better today. Everything could have been way different if that went in. But that's going to be one of the best saves of the season for sure. I'm not i'm not talking about it was because of how fast that was.
00:30:34
Speaker
The velocity, when you watched it in real time, it was crazy the way Donnarumma made that save. So if that went in, then we would have had a different conversation right now. Yeah. And you might say a lot about Donnarumma that you might perhaps you do not like his style. You overly you might not like the man, but sport-wise, he really delivers when he needs to.
00:30:54
Speaker
And Odegaard found out about it halfway. Even that save on Saka that he had in the second half is just... Yeah. yeah now good ah good Good goalkeeper and Haydou's going to hate and he's just going to continue goalkeeping.
00:31:07
Speaker
So that that brings us to, I think, the best player of midfield and the guy who was clearly missing from this so in this Arsenal puzzle, which is Thomas Partey.
00:31:20
Speaker
So I'm like, wow, I think if I i think I would have to ask this question, what would have been had Partey not gotten injured and suspended rather and had he played at the Emirates last week?
00:31:34
Speaker
I think with Partey, he just brings he he brings the best out of himself. And he just... He he brings the best out of the players that are around him. And I think, for me, the rating I'd give him would be a solid... I'd say seven and a half. You know, i think he's...
00:31:52
Speaker
his contributions and in towards the box, the long throws, you know, he was one player that would try and at least dart forward, try and create an opportunity or create something.
00:32:05
Speaker
And again, it was just very unfortunate. I mean, if we had him, if he wasn't suspended for that home leg, I mean, again, as you as you say, Mikel, it could have been a much, much different story. But Unfortunately, I'd like to hope that Partey's learned his lesson because, you know, we all saw it against Real Madrid.
00:32:26
Speaker
Rice went up to him and was like, well, what was that for? You know, you're five minutes away from beating Real Madrid comfortably and you you go and do something as silly as that. Yeah, yeah.
00:32:38
Speaker
yeah that That hurt the team. And to be honest, i this could spark another conversation about Arsenal players' mentality. And because I saw, like especially in those final minutes of that game, that the frustration frustration took over of the ah cool blood and cool heads.
00:32:54
Speaker
And those players, they just started fuming because of just really just subtle stuff that normally you would just shrug your shoulder and just just just move on. ah We could talk about it a little bit further like at the end of of today's episode, but for now, let's focus on Declan Rice's performance.
00:33:11
Speaker
ah ah but I'm sorry, have I asked you, Victor, about Partey's performance? No, but you sorry i' sorry it can have I'm sorry. eight and we can move on. Yeah, Partey was the difference. I think this game would have gone to overtime if you played the first game.
00:33:25
Speaker
Let's put it that that way. There you go. Vital player for Arsenal, especially if when you play against a team like PSG. yeah I realized it in time that I haven't asked you.
00:33:37
Speaker
That's good. I realized it in time. Oof, good, good, good. to Impartiality restored. Okay, so Declan Rice, ladies and gentlemen. and ah from I have a little bit of mixed feelings about Declan Rice because somebody could describe his overall performance not only in this game but overall in the season. and Flash in the pan? question mark would you Would that could assessment be accurate or would it be too harsh, Jamie?
00:34:01
Speaker
I don't know, actually. i think with Declan Rice, he can... I've seen it this season where, you know, he can play brilliantly. You know, we we have the chant saying that we got him half price. Declan Rice, we got him half price.
00:34:14
Speaker
and But tonight, I think... again, quite influential in a way, you know, was very, you know, was the only kind of player that would, again, try and make something work along with Partey. You know, he would be someone that would try and make something work. And I feel like with Rice, I just, I wish I'd seen him take a few more shots at goal.
00:34:38
Speaker
I don't know what it is with Arsenal players this season with not just, just just put your laces through, just put your laces through it. um But I think for me, I'd give him a 6.5, I'd say. You know, had ah had an average performance. And, you know, unfortunately, it's just it wasn't enough to kind of just take us to that next level up. But, you know, Declan Rice, decent performance.
00:35:06
Speaker
Victor? I would agree with 6.5. We like giving out these halves, so yeah, 6.5 then that does That is interesting. so so um Okay, so perhaps I was a little bit too harsh on Dickel Rice because overall he is a like valued player, absolutely.
00:35:24
Speaker
and no ah No questions about that. um But I have a feeling that against PSG he wasn't as active, just like you said, Jamie, that like maybe just put your laces through it, try to take a shot ah maybe it's not going to be as beautiful joa bonita as you would like to see.
00:35:39
Speaker
ah but But then again, you expect to win games and not play beautifully. ah I'm about to spark another conversation, another discussion, another topic. Okay, no, let's move on. Gabriel Martinelli, what are we going to say about him?
00:35:53
Speaker
Jamie? Martinelli, I mean, the the one thing I've realised, realised it during the course of the night and I realised it ah a little bit in the first leg, which was the fact that PSG really mutualised Arsenal's wingers. It wasn't like one-on-one, it was a two-on-one here.
00:36:14
Speaker
um And for Martinelli, again, could have maybe been a bit more experimental, could have maybe, you know, take it you know maybe just try and take players on. i haven't seen... There's times where I've seen Martinelli take a few players on, but i kind of wish he had that edge to him in tonight's game.
00:36:33
Speaker
For me, I'd probably give him... Probably ah a... I'm going six. I'm really debating between six, 6.5, but I'm going to give him a six.
00:36:45
Speaker
ah before victor but Victor, before ask you let me just throw one squat mom squat one stat there about Gabriel Martinelli he was the player who completed as many take-ons in the first half against PSG as every other player on the pitch combined which was four and with that's that stat thrown Victor, your thoughts?
00:37:04
Speaker
Yeah, I'll give him six and a half. I think he started the game ah very aggressively and showed no respect towards Hakimi. And we saw at the beginning how there was like at least two, three times when he just went straight at him and it created some dangerous attacks for Arsenal. So...
00:37:19
Speaker
It's a gutsy kid like Martinelli. Okay, all right. I think he should be a little bit more aggressive and take more shots rather than just trying to cut inside and find a way forward when you don't have the forward to do it do the rest of the job for you.
00:37:34
Speaker
So you got a cut a little bit more on the other side and take some shots. That's my assessment of Martinelli, not just for this game, but in the Premier League as well. Well, not to mention that's what missing for Martinelli.
00:37:46
Speaker
Next year, once you get your number nine, hopefully if you get the number nine, then he should stick to the game that he does. Well, not to mention about Martinelli that like to his defense in this game, Marquinhos really was not giving him any easy time. Marquinhos was just relentless in that defense. He was really defending really, really well for PSG and Martinelli couldn't really do anything. He just registered one shot on target. and So yeah yeah, just like you said, like when you haven't got a proper forward,
00:38:14
Speaker
then like you can just only do so much as a winger before you just get stopped dead by a well-experienced centre-back like Marquinhos. Speaking of the forward, ladies and gentlemen, Marino, the guy who I did not really see that on that pitch, really.
Saka's Performance and Missed Opportunity
00:38:30
Speaker
Like, yeah, Martinelli, we could cut him some slack because of what what we discussed before. But if we can cut the slack to Martinelli, I do not think we can do the same to Marino. Isn't that right, Jamie?
00:38:41
Speaker
No, you're spot on. I think you're spot on with everything you said, actually. Didn't really see a lot of him tonight. He might have had like the one odd header, but it wasn't it wasn't threatening enough to to make Donnarumma make a save.
00:38:56
Speaker
um I think for me, I'd probably give him a
00:39:01
Speaker
I'd probably give him a five just because he had a very quiet game. you know Now that he's kind of taken up this role as Arsenal's number nine, we've seen it a bit more where he's a bit more proactive.
00:39:16
Speaker
you know He might have a header or a shot at goal, but I just don't know. I just didn't see that tonight, really. Just two shots and all of them were off target. Pretty much.
00:39:26
Speaker
Yeah, per that precisely sums up what we're saying. Victor, your thoughts? Yeah, five and a half max. But again, Marino is, I will put him in the same basket like Lewis Kelly. It's the type of player right now that you can't really judge based on the position that he plays. He's like an experimental number nine, someone that's tried to save the season for Arsenal going into that number nine spot with all the injuries. So i can't you can tell he's a very smart player, doesn't have the speed, which I think it would have been very helpful for for a game against PSG.
00:39:58
Speaker
Yep. And we're going to finish our review of the starting lineup, obviously, with Bukayo Saka, the best on-field player, of course, excluding David Ryan and goal.
00:40:11
Speaker
ah He was the one who, I think, like out of this front line, who was doing all of the right things. I do not think there is a lot of negative negative negative negative stuff i could talk I could mention about Saka's performance. He was the one who was just shining like a diamond there.
00:40:28
Speaker
And ah well, unfortunately, Bukayo Saka cannot win you the entire tie against yeah a collective like PSG, Jamie. ah For me, I just think I'd give him i'd give him a nine, to be fair. you know Really kind of made so you know was making it happen along that right side for Arsenal. you know Gave us that hope with the goal as well. I love the fact that despite the you know despite the mistake from Donnarama, he was quick to react. He was really quick to react, put the ball in the net.
00:41:04
Speaker
And, you know, again, just Saka doing what Saka does best, really. So for me, I'd give him a solid nine. and Before ah Victor asks you another start, this time Babu Kiyosaka there. 18. has scored 10 goals in 18 appearances in the UEFA Champions League.
00:41:22
Speaker
The only Englishman to reach double figures in fewer games in the competition is Harry Kane with 12th game. Victor, to your thoughts? Yeah, eight and a half for me.
00:41:34
Speaker
That miss is just something that's haunting me, to be honest with you. i havent That's the reason why i didn't even want to bring that up. It's just painful. But I think he's this close to be a world, world-class player. And tonight might have been the night if he tied that 2-2 and then went to overtime and he won it for them with a hat trick. It would have lifted him where he should be. And he will be in in a season or two.
00:41:59
Speaker
Right up there, yeah. Yeah, i'm I'm getting more and more impressed by Saka, to be honest with you. ah Actually, like and the reason why I didn't want to mention that Bukayo Saka's missed to begin with was because I was willing to cut a lot of slack to Bukayo Saka for that missed opportunity.
00:42:16
Speaker
Because to be honest, Saka was doing Marino's job. He basically, he he was working two shifts tonight, and I think he should be double paid for it. And Marino's wages, they they should be given to Bukayo Saka because Marino wasn't there, Marino wasn't delivering, and Saka was.
00:42:31
Speaker
So that is why I'm willing to cut him since like and I'm willing to forget about this missed big chance. Okay. marino doesn't yeah I think Marino doesn't have the speed to cut in the way Saka did there. And maybe that was the play in that position, like a false nine that Saka can come in and Marino will come outside.
00:42:49
Speaker
So I think that's what it was. Okay. Yeah. But, but, but, but, okay, perhaps. Okay, i want to move on I really want to move on to two substitutions because like ah we're running slowly like we're running out of time slightly and we still have one more segment to go through.
Substitutes and Strategic Decisions
00:43:03
Speaker
So let's just quickly mention the substitutions.
00:43:05
Speaker
I'm just going to ask you about like the group of substitutes which were brought on. Ricardo Calafiori, Leandro Trossard and Ben White. Any honorable mentions about any of those players, Jamie?
00:43:19
Speaker
Um... Do you know what? the The one thing I will say is the introduction... you know what? I have no issues with Ben White, right? But I just think in a semi-final, you... you bringing on a defender with minutes left of the game, you know, you want to be going after this game. You want to be bringing attacking, at least attacking reinforcements on.
00:43:43
Speaker
Really gutted that Itho Wanyeri didn't get his opportunity to kind of show himself on the world stage because we've seen it for Myles Lewis Skelly, but... You know, we're not talking enough about Ethan Waniere and it would have been nice if he had made a bit of a ah feature tonight. So Calafiore, you know, he's come back from injury, had an OK game, you know, got himself in a bit of a tussle, which was a bit of a silly yellow card to get given away.
00:44:10
Speaker
um Trossard could have maybe had a couple of shots on target, but... you know Apart from that, i just the only disappointment for me is I just don't understand why we didn't bring an attacking reinforcement on rather than bring on defensive reinforcement on.
00:44:25
Speaker
It just didn't add up in my head. okay As much as I don't like Sterling, Sterling was the player maybe only because of the experience that he can bring in He won titles with City. He's been in this situation before.
00:44:37
Speaker
Again, i don't like the player, but might have been a player to to bring in for 10 minutes. and me I don't know because I just think he's... it You know, since he's... I think even before he came to Arsenal, he's had such a confidence issue and I can understand the experience bringing him on.
00:44:56
Speaker
But at the same time, I just think in a semi-final, you need goals. And unfortunately, Sterling just hasn't really had the opportunities to... You know, he hasn't had the opportunities in front of goal to really showcase. So I probably would have...
00:45:11
Speaker
I don't know. That's why I'd have gone for an Ethan Waniere, because he's hungry, he's young. He'll go at players. He'll he'll happily go at players. And I think that's what Arsenal could have done with tonight.
00:45:24
Speaker
Well, right on. And just like that, we've completed the Arsenal's individual performance review.
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00:45:31
Speaker
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00:46:37
Speaker
We are now going to focus on the overall impression of that that Arsenal's campaign left with us um at the the end of the journey for Arsenal.
Memorable Moments and Standout Players
00:46:47
Speaker
ah Let me just throw some quick facts about Arsenal's um Arsenal's tenure this season at the Champions League.
00:46:55
Speaker
Honourable mentions about the league phase. A 2-0 victory against PSG at home. ah solid performance okay A good performance against solid Shakhtar Donetsk. and And the victory 1-0 2-0. lost to Arsenal, one goal to nil at San Siro, victories against the Sporting, against the Monaco, against Girona, two goals to one, and then in the knockout stages, 9-3 victory of Arsenal on aggregate against PSV, this wonderful, ah historic quarterfinal performance of Arsenal against Real Madrid and winning 5-1 on aggregate and reaching the first semifinal of Champions League since 2009.
00:47:36
Speaker
at nine yeah Jamie, what will be your favourite memory of this season's Champions League? ah I think it's pretty easy. It's got to be Real Madrid, you know. It's just how often and how rare can you say that you see a team like Arsenal go and play against Real Madrid with two stunning free kicks from Declan Rice right in front of Roberto Carlos I mean, it was just spectacular. And the second leg as well, you know, it was justri it was just so refreshing and so good to see an Arsenal team play so well and frustrate Madrid for but over the two legs. You know, for for Kivior, I must mention Kivior,
00:48:24
Speaker
for me, was someone that really kind of stamped his authority into the Arsenal team. You know, the fact that Mbappe was originally up against Saliba and then was like, you know what?
00:48:39
Speaker
You're going to take on Saliba. I'm taking on Kibior. Thought that Kibior would be an easy ride and Kibior was like... no, you're not taking me for an easy ride. And got up the next morning, had to double check his pockets to see if Mbappe was still there, which he still was.
00:48:54
Speaker
And yeah, honestly, Kivior for me has just been someone that has really grown into the game. And yeah, I just think for me, Arsenal-Real Madrid has got to be up there, you know. And I think the league phase...
00:49:08
Speaker
It's also shown as well, because a lot of people had their doubts about the league phase, thinking, oh, but, you know, we prefer the, you know, we prefer just the group stages. But realistically, we had, we've had some really entertaining games in this, in this league phase. And I'm hoping that as years go by, we'll slowly gradually get used to it. And, you know, hopefully, who knows, we might get more surprise teams ah making it this far in the Champions League. Only time can tell.
00:49:35
Speaker
Exactly. ah Victor, I'm going to ask you about maybe some ah pure football stats and and like pure facts. um So if you were to pick up the top three Arsenal players of this season's Champions League, who would it be and why?
00:49:51
Speaker
uh saka has to be up there i would say kivir only because of the last few months that he had to cover for gabriel and the third one i guess it has to be raya those are the three standouts some a rice okay okay rice as well so i don't know maybe four top four Okay, we could be top four. One thing I got to mention is yes I said this to a lot of people end of October. This Arsenal team is going to go far in the Champions League. And I kind of feel proud that I kind of got it right, almost right. But I guess semi-final is far enough going into the Champions League.
00:50:30
Speaker
We've seen teams, worse teams than Arsenal that won the Champions League before. Yeah. Solid season for Arsenal. Hopefully next year is going to be their year if Man United doesn't win the Europa League.
00:50:43
Speaker
And to qualify for the Champions League. Wow. You know, I actually wanted to ah bring up a like a little banter that I had like ah during our Monday review with Mikey Thompson.
00:50:55
Speaker
ah when When Mikey asked me that very provocative question. So let's say Arsenal get knocked out of Champions League in the semifinal and ah Man United go on to the final and win probably against Spurs.
00:51:06
Speaker
Would you say that Man United had had a better season than Arsenal? ah And I was just like, oh, I can see those Arsenal fans flying away from our podcast. Bye-bye. What did you answer?
00:51:19
Speaker
answered that it is a very nice bait, but I'm not going to take it because look i'm not going to take it because that would be super insulting to Arsenal fans just looking at the table. I mean, you know, second place in the Premier League.
00:51:33
Speaker
Man United would do a lot to even make it to top seven. right now. your nice I think for any Man United fan, I think if they could get into Europe, I think they'd be great. I think at this point of the season, that i think they'd be very grateful for Europe now.
00:51:47
Speaker
now that Now that both Man United and Spurs, they nearly escaped relegation and they have a chance of meeting each other in the Europa League final. Come on, Bodo, Glenn. I need a miracle.
00:52:00
Speaker
i need I can't... ah Living in Highbury, I can't have Spurs win the Europa League. I just can't. No chance. honestly cannot. I don't think... I don't even know. I'd probably... are just i don't even want to think about it. You know what's interesting you know what's interesting a bit about this Bodo-Glim team?
00:52:19
Speaker
Go on. So my my team is Cervana Zvezda, Red Star, Belgrade. Bodo lost to Cervana Zvezda in the last round of the qualification for Champions League. Yeah. and now because of that loss they ended up in Europa League and look at them now yeah semi-final so I guess shame on you Svezda right?
00:52:39
Speaker
yeah yeah Champions League for us is big just to be in this yeah ah no but I don't think Bodo has the nah they're they're done they're gonna be super happy with semi-final To be honest, yeah, let's let's okay let's let's finish it off because we're really running out of time. Our podcast is now running at 53 minutes. Thank you guys for sticking up sticking with us thus far. ah Final question to you,
Arsenal's Premier League Goals
00:53:04
Speaker
Jamie.
00:53:04
Speaker
What do you think the focus should now be for Mikul Ateta's side? Because you still need to finish the season. So what is your goal for those last games? It's got to but it's just got we've got to solidify second second spot now.
00:53:17
Speaker
You know, ah we've been really complacent now and unfortunately the run-in now is not looking great for us with Liverpool away, Newcastle at the Emirates and then Southampton a way to finish the season off. So we've just got to solidify second place.
00:53:34
Speaker
And let me just say, Andrea Berta, you've got a massive, I mean a massive, massive job on your hands over the summer because there's going to be a lot of Arsenal fans out there that will be really looking at him and Arteta to start bringing in players. And the last three seasons, we've finished second or runners-up to whoever.
00:53:57
Speaker
And next season, something's got to change. Because I even said it after the game. I said, I'm sick and tired of finishing second best to someone. I want to see us go and win something. Like, I'm just sick of it now.
00:54:09
Speaker
I've got to that point where I just want to see us win something. Well, you will have a chance. You will have a chance next season, that's for sure. ah Victor, what do you think that Arsenal's focus should be apart from solidifying the second place?
00:54:22
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, they have nothing else to play. with Two tough games coming up and you don't want to go into the last game thinking, are we even going to make the Champions League? Because it's everyone's there.
00:54:33
Speaker
What they have advantage over, I would say, is because Chelsea's playing in Newcastle. So that's that means that one of those teams is not going to get three points this weekend. Yeah.
00:54:44
Speaker
Yeah, they have room to play with, but again, you yeah, you want to get that second spot. That's all you have left to play and give a little bit of minutes maybe to younger kids as well in the last game.
00:54:55
Speaker
Yeah. ah one going into that Going into that Southampton game with clinched second place, that should be huge for them. So how many points do you think Arsenal need to to secure the second place? Three or six? in place?
00:55:08
Speaker
Yeah. Nah, it's going to be more than three. Six? Uh...
00:55:14
Speaker
Yeah, because I know that like... No, I would say with four points, they should be fine. Four One last one win, what one tie should be good, so... Jamie, you agree? 71 should do the job for them. probably going to go five, actually.
00:55:26
Speaker
Five points? I'm going to five points. i think just because you... I think the gap between ourselves and I think City or city is like probably, I think, five points or so. I don't know, but it's... The gap is ridiculous. I think Chelsea...
00:55:41
Speaker
I think it's like seven points between Arsenal and Chelsea or something. So I just think another five points would just really solidify second spot for Arsenal and Champions League. It's only four points actually, but the difference Chelsea play Newcastle, so one of them will drop points. would be great if they get a point each.
00:56:00
Speaker
yeah yeah I'm pretty sure 67 minus 64 is 3, but I am not. No, that's Man City. Man City is 64. Oh, right. Newcastle and Chelsea, they're on 63. Oh, okay. All right. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Yeah, my bad, my bad. No, I've just
Conclusion and Farewell to English Teams
00:56:13
Speaker
moved. Okay, so guys, thank you so much for joining me. Thank you, Jamie, for finding the courage, not finding the courage, but finding the power to come on to our podcast. Well, thank you for having me on.
00:56:25
Speaker
Yeah, spill your guts out there. And thank you, Victor, so much for joining me as every single Wednesday recording Thursday release. Thank you, Victor. See you guys soon. Yeah, see you and thank you to all of you.
00:56:37
Speaker
We and just with this review, we bid farewell to Champions League football this season as far as English football is concerned. And now our hope is the Europa and Conference League finals.
00:56:48
Speaker
And we will be watching very, very closely. But for now, Michal Czarniecki from California. Thank you so much. And subscribe, follow us and see you in here in the next one. Bye bye.
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