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Success, Anxiety, and the Freedom of Being Known | Dustin Campbell
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On the outside, Dustin Campbell had everything going for him - success in business, a growing family, and a reputation as a driven leader. But beneath the surface, he was fighting a quiet war with anxiety, fear, and hidden struggles that were slowly shaping his identity.
Dustin shares his story of growing up, chasing success in the business world, and building companies at a rapid pace, all while carrying deep internal pressure and secrets he had never spoken aloud.
Through his experience with WayForward and a community of men willing to go deeper, Dustin discovered the freedom that comes when the things we hide finally come into the light. His story is a powerful reminder that being “unstuck” often begins with vulnerability, confession, and surrounding ourselves with people who refuse to let us stay hidden.
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction to Dustin Campbell and His Adventures
00:00:57
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
right, welcome Unstuck and Alive. We're here with Dustin Campbell. Dustin was the COO of Nutribolt back in the day. Now he does real estate investments and travels the world. He's got an incredible family, three kiddos, beautiful wife. Dustin is one of the most interesting men in the world.
00:01:14
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
One of my favorite guys I've ever taken on trail. Seriously, I could sit around and listen this guy talk for hours. I'm excited for this interview to get to bless the world. Dustin's a sharp mind. He's a great thinker.
00:01:26
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
He's funny. He's got incredible style. And of all the people I could run into on the back roads of Moab on a side-by-side trip, there's nobody I'd rather see and run into than Dustin Campbell.
00:01:37
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
He's an incredible dude.
00:01:37
Dustin Campbell
Oh,
00:01:38
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And so, Dustin, thanks for taking some time today join us.
00:01:42
Steven J. Neuner
Thanks, Nessun. Welcome.
00:01:43
Dustin Campbell
for sure. We'll have to tell that story too, because that's pretty wild that, I mean, in the middle of absolutely nowhere, see this little family eating lunch and I, you know, I'm like, I mean, literally in the middle nowhere, you know, this one off trail going out.
00:01:58
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah. We're like 30 miles deep on some random side-by-side trail in Moab.
00:02:02
Dustin Campbell
Yeah. And sure enough, it's Todd and his wife.
00:02:06
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
00:02:06
Dustin Campbell
And I'm like, babe, that's freaking Todd right there. And she's like, there's no way. She looks over she's like, oh my gosh. And that was great. We got to hang out and do the wind caves together and go to dinner that night.
00:02:20
Dustin Campbell
It was great. Great little God bless us.
00:02:22
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And then go on, and then, and then go on the, the hell's revenge, dude. That trip.
00:02:26
Dustin Campbell
Oh, yeah. And then the next day, we go on Hell's Revenge with his boy. He brings...
00:02:31
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Trip.
00:02:33
Dustin Campbell
What's your son's name?
00:02:33
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Trip. Trip.
00:02:34
Dustin Campbell
Trip. He brought trip. Yeah, dude. Oh, my gosh. Amazing. Really, obviously, awesome, hard trail. It was so good. We got a guided trip. It was so fun.
00:02:47
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
I had just given Aaron the morning off. So I have the kids. I'm like, hey, babe, it's busy. I got the kids. We're at the park. Dustin calls.
00:02:56
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Trip is peeing in the middle of a public park.
00:02:56
Dustin Campbell
Oh, no. I lost you guys.
00:02:59
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And I'm like, Trip, dude, stop, stop.
00:02:59
Steven J. Neuner
Yes.
00:03:02
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And Dustin says, hey, we're going on this awesome guided side-by-side trip. We're leaving in like 30 minutes. And I'm like, dude, I'm in. I call Aaron.
00:03:11
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
I'm like, babe, I'll make it up. I promise. Trip, let's go. He had a birthday experience. And so it was amazing.
00:03:16
Dustin Campbell
Oh, Yeah, great
Transitioning Life Phases and Family Focus
00:03:19
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Hey, so right.
00:03:19
Dustin Campbell
trail.
00:03:20
Dustin Campbell
That was a really awesome day.
00:03:22
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Justin, before we get your story, dude, one of my favorite things about you, and not just saying this because we're on a podcast, I tell Aaron, you're always up to something. You're always doing something. You're always pushing the limit on something or trying something new. We were talking before we hit record on the RV stuff. I see the back country, and you've got something up your sleeve. I love the way you live life and just get after it. Right now, real time,
00:03:44
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Like what's something you're working on, something you're dreaming about, something you're trying out?
00:03:50
Dustin Campbell
That's a great question. I think like right now I'm like, being really powerful about what's next for me, like not just in, not just in business, you know, exiting one of my big assets in the hotel and I'm like, now I got my mind student about what do I want to get to next? I don't know that answer Todd right now. feel like, you know, one of those things I mentioned to you of having a lot of balls in the air, this is one of them. This is a big one.
00:04:13
Dustin Campbell
you know, I've always had an affinity for, real estate or for development. That's what I grew up in. But I don't, I don't know, you know, we're, we're, we're kind of transitioning with the kids a little bit, even though we got some younger ones with the college thing.
00:04:26
Dustin Campbell
So I'm kind of, uh, to what that means for us. I feel like I want to be more, I want to be engaged in my daughter's, uh, you know, college life as much as I can.
00:04:38
Dustin Campbell
I'm helping, you know, my brother's business, which is a large business that, that, I've been doing from home for a lot.
00:04:38
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Nice.
00:04:44
Dustin Campbell
So, yeah, I, I, you know, with the RV thing kind of winding down, there's, yeah. So I would say I'm in that almost like discovery phase. And I usually don't sit here very often. But I do want to be patient. I do want to...
00:05:00
Dustin Campbell
make sure I wrestle with the Lord on this and not just make a pivot and just hope he blesses it. Right. So I think right now, you know, I'm in that moment of seeking what the answer to that
Facing Fears and Spiritual Growth
00:05:12
Dustin Campbell
question is. And I think that's it's uncomfortable a little bit, but that's good. Right. I think one of the things that I mean, you've talked about over the years and you told me this on trail was like, I, you know, and the Lord's still working on it. Like, I don't like my ship out in the ocean.
00:05:32
Dustin Campbell
Like, I like it like, oh, it's right on the dock. It's kind of like, yeah, it kind feels the waves, but it's so safe. It's like tied to the dock. And like Todd's like, well, you don't, that's not where you live life.
00:05:43
Dustin Campbell
You don't live life.
00:05:43
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah. Hmm.
00:05:44
Dustin Campbell
You can't live life tied to the dock, right? Or like, or, you know, one of Todd's analogies of like, you know, we don't live life on the mountain peak. Like, yeah, it's nice to get up and visit the peak and get some clarity, but we live life in the valley.
00:05:57
Dustin Campbell
where death and destruction and a lot of things happen around us that, you know, we can't just build a cabin on the top of the mountaintop and like call quits. Right. And so, so this, the, the uncertainty and stuff used to bother me a lot. used to be like, it used to create a lot of fear and anxiety in it. And the Lord is, is really,
00:06:17
Dustin Campbell
provided a lot of that area for me. The, and, you know, I think way forward was was very, the Lord had that for me for a lot of reasons. But one of these was that breaking that kind of anxiety and fear of, of actually, you know, being okay with uncertainty and, and, and you're not in control. You're really not in control of anything.
00:06:43
Dustin Campbell
So why you trying to control everything?
00:06:45
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
It's
00:06:46
Dustin Campbell
You know, so, but yeah, it's a great question, Todd. And I hope I could answer it soon, but right this second. And I'm excited too, don't get me wrong. It is, it's, you know, it's, it's both, right? It's, it's nervous and exciting to, to, but yeah.
00:07:03
Dustin Campbell
So, yeah.
00:07:03
Steven J. Neuner
Dustin.
00:07:03
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
good.
00:07:13
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Thank
00:07:15
Dustin Campbell
Yeah.
00:07:15
Steven J. Neuner
So I'm curious,
00:07:19
Steven J. Neuner
historically, do those two things always... tied to the dock unleashed? Are they usually occurring at the same time or do they flow together? I'm just curious.
00:07:33
Dustin Campbell
That's, that's great question. I think the way and Todd described me is, is lot of, how I operate in business and how I operate personally, but like, think, I think, uh, emotionally and like, the insecurities, like, and think, think there's could be a,
00:07:56
Dustin Campbell
you know, not that there's any, I don't have anything to hide, but like, yeah, I do. I do actually, those things that Todd said are true. I do have that. Let's go adventurous, always up to something, but also at the same time, like I had, I had some unhealthy fears that kept me, you know, kind of, and my family, like I wanted to build a bubble around them and keep them there. And like, yeah, I want them experience things, but only, you know, in in very controlled environment. And, and,
00:08:25
Dustin Campbell
so yeah i don't i don't i don't know the exact answer to that but i feel like you know the the lord is like and you know obviously i'm and and this is something you know you don't know i've been i've been really really learning a lot about heaven and like what's next rather than focusing on what's just in the present and that's really really helped me in my walk with fear and anxiety and like thinking this is just it. Like at growing up, like, and I think even most Christians today spend little time knowing where we're going forever, what the Lord has actually told us about the new heaven and the new earth, about what that is actually going to look like. When I remember even being on trail being like, I don't even know if I want to go there because I don't know what it's,
00:09:17
Dustin Campbell
I'm serious. Like, I know it sounds crazy, right, as a Christian to say that.
00:09:19
Steven J. Neuner
Yeah. Yeah.
00:09:21
Dustin Campbell
But, like, I don't even know if I want to spend eternity there.
00:09:22
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
It's true.
00:09:24
Dustin Campbell
doesn't, like, streets of gold and, like, that's, I mean, that's cool. But, like, forever?
00:09:30
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
00:09:31
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
It's good.
00:09:39
Dustin Campbell
So the last couple years I've been rereading Randy Alcorn's book on heaven.
00:09:44
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
It's good.
00:09:45
Dustin Campbell
And just educating myself on what God has really planned for us and what eternity is really going to be like. And like, those things are now exciting to me.
00:09:52
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
00:09:55
Dustin Campbell
Right. And like getting visuals of, is going to be,
Formative Years and Early Influences
00:10:00
Dustin Campbell
forever. Cause this, cause, this is all going away and we know that. I'm 46 years old, I'm like, half my life's gone and I feel like we're just getting started, right? And it's also helped me,
00:10:11
Dustin Campbell
as I'm planning the next phases, it's like, this isn't everything.
00:10:16
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
00:10:16
Dustin Campbell
Right. It's not. And and and I and have been far from that mentality my whole life. Like, I mean, I mean, for me to even say that and how I've lived my life up to this point the last couple of years has been this is it. I'm going to invest everything in here. mean, and I'm going to chase this thing and just this worldly stuff. And it's like.
00:10:41
Dustin Campbell
And it's all really in the fear of the unknown and not knowing. And so the last couple of years has been, and even today I'm still learning, like there's so much to know about what's coming.
00:10:53
Dustin Campbell
And mean, mean, really like, dude, I mean, think about like, if we're trying, if we got people around us that unbelievers, we're trying to live our lives in a way that they would want what we have.
00:10:53
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
00:11:04
Dustin Campbell
Well, If we don't ultimately know where we're going, mean, regardless of how you live in your life, I'm like, yeah, we're going to heaven. What's that going to be like? And you can't explain it you have no idea what it's like. It's like, I'm.
00:11:18
Dustin Campbell
I don't even know if I want to go. I'm out. Like, like, no. So I felt really convicted about it.
00:11:22
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
good.
00:11:24
Dustin Campbell
It's really helped me.
00:11:25
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
00:11:26
Dustin Campbell
The Lord says a lot about in the Bible. I don't think the church talks about a lot. And I don't think, as families, like, like as easy as a kid to be like, Oh heaven, it's like, you're in the clouds, right?
00:11:47
Dustin Campbell
So it's been amazing. There is a lot in the Bible to unpack about what eternity is like. And that's really helped me in my walk.
00:11:57
Dustin Campbell
Yeah. So I don't know where I got off on that.
00:11:59
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Oh, man, that's great. Hey, so you've brought up some of the stuff of like some of your mindset before, you know, what you've been chasing for, you know, throughout life.
00:12:05
Dustin Campbell
Yes.
00:12:08
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Let's dive into that. You know, what has made you you kind of life story style?
00:12:09
Dustin Campbell
Okay.
00:12:11
Dustin Campbell
For sure.
00:12:12
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And then we'll go deeper on some specific areas. So how have you gotten to where you are today?
00:12:16
Dustin Campbell
Okay.
00:12:17
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
00:12:18
Dustin Campbell
So grew in a loving, great family. We were not church goers at all. Like, I mean, my grandma tried to take us, you know, to catechism and the Catholic thing for a little bit when we were young. But we, lot of love in our house, but we just didn't go to church. And, you know, grew up with my older brother, who's one year older than me. So we're really close, me and him. Both parents worked.
00:12:43
Dustin Campbell
And, you know, dad was, you know, his he was focused on business. He was he was real estate developer and home builder and came from a family. His dad was that, too. And they grew up in a in a family business. My uncle, both uncles were in the business. My dad was in the business. My grandpa. It was was so I grew up in a very. uh real estate development business focused group of guys right it wasn't nothing about the lord it was we're gonna we're and but it was still a very loving environment right i didn't i didn't feel like unloved at all but we all but you know we pretty much got to do whatever we wanted so we me and my brother got into lot of trouble we were young into pornography really young got into chasing hey i want to
00:13:12
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Thank
00:13:32
Dustin Campbell
be a part of my dad's business because the Campbells were, you know, that's what the men did. They built and developed subdivisions, built homes, and there was some success there. And then at times there wasn't. My dad kind of rode the hills of success, you know, up and down. moved a lot.
00:13:47
Dustin Campbell
One of the, yeah, I mean, I went to, I think we counted like in the first 18 years of my life, we moved like 20 times.
00:13:56
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Wow.
00:13:56
Dustin Campbell
So we would move to the new development, new house.
00:13:56
Steven J. Neuner
Bye.
00:13:58
Dustin Campbell
We would move here, move school. And I went to like six high schools. And it was just normal for me. It was just like, okay, we're going to a new school. It was always like that. So I look back was like, man, that was pretty chaotic. But living in it, it didn't feel...
00:14:13
Dustin Campbell
I didn't know any different, I guess. Like there was, you know, we were exposed to a lot of bad things early on. Like 12, 13, you know, 14, like those years where, but I still felt
00:14:32
Dustin Campbell
13, 14, when my parents kind of the family started breaking up. Okay. My dad was not home a lot, doing his business thing a lot. My mom was working and that just doesn't lead to a great marriage. Right. So there's just, so in that end up splitting up, that was kind of uneventful for me. I mean, it's not like I was like,
00:14:52
Dustin Campbell
I don't know. It's very odd. Like when you hear some people's divorce, it's like, oh, my God, it was the worst thing the world. I wouldn't say I didn't like I enjoyed it. It just wasn't super traumatic at the moment.
00:15:03
Dustin Campbell
There was a little hectic, you know, at first, but it's fine. But we did in that chaos. We got exposed to a lot of things early on. One of the things I would say was like, you know, you're you're I'm at my buddy's house and his dad's got magazines and nobody's, you know, making sure that we're not, you know, being exposed to that. And and so think a lot of. A lot of what was input when we were young was of the world and we had no filter and we had nothing to really know guidance from a from a father figure. So like.
00:15:37
Dustin Campbell
To. know, walk with us in that. It was just figure it out, you know, and, and that's just kind of what it was.
00:15:41
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
00:15:44
Dustin Campbell
So around 13, 14 really my first almost church experience too. We moved to a small town, which my mom was from in Chachilla and all the kids went to Awanas.
00:15:56
Dustin Campbell
It was just the thing of the town. It was a small town. you go to Awanas because that's where all the cute girls are at. So we, guess what we did? We went to Awanas. And so there was a youth pastor named Joe. He pulled these two yahoos in that just showed up.
00:16:11
Dustin Campbell
Great guy. You know, we, we kind of got involved and, and you know, we got saved at that point in our lives. We, we kind of said yes to this, to this church thing and to this Jesus thing, not knowing what it really meant. We were just like, yeah, we're you know, I don't remember the sales pitch, but I remember, you know, feeling like, yeah, this is right. This is the direction we should go.
00:16:38
Dustin Campbell
So that was kind of our first, my first real, like, you know, Jesus experience and saying yes and not knowing what that was. But I would say from 13 to 18, it was like, well, you just,
00:16:53
Dustin Campbell
kind of figured out, there was no, mentorship or we didn't really stay because we were moving around too. So by the time I got to like 18, made it through high school, nothing crazy, you know, still, I would say not following the Lord at all, just kind winging it would be the best. You know, I grew up with my dad. My dad moved to Idaho and I moved with him from California Idaho. And I kind of just, we just bachelor padded from like 15, 16, 17, 18. He was doing his development thing.
00:17:23
Dustin Campbell
You know, he wasn't, I mean, he's being a, you know, a typical, like, you know, dad that's not following the Lord, just trying to do what's best, right? Just making sure that I have a place to put my head down and I'm going to school and that was pretty much it. Never just kind of had us figured out, right?
00:17:42
Dustin Campbell
Which I think, you know, is unfortunate in a lot of ways, but also you've got to pull your big boy pants on and just do it. You know, made me go to work, you know, made me get a job.
00:17:54
Dustin Campbell
Took me to a lot of his city council meetings and engineering meetings to kind of just, I don't know if it was unintentional or just, hey, you have nowhere to go, so just come along. So either way, went. I loved it. I felt...
00:18:08
Dustin Campbell
Like it was great. You know, it was like, and I had a ton of freedom, you know, as a 15, 16, 17 year old, I didn't have any curfew. could stay wherever I could.
00:18:20
Dustin Campbell
I mean, it sounds crazy because I would never let my kids do this how I grew up, but I literally had no rules.
00:18:26
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
00:18:26
Dustin Campbell
My wife tells me this all the time. This is because you had no rules when you were a kid. I'm like, You're the baby and you no rules. This is why. I'm like, okay, that's true. But it's not like I took advantage of it and really like, you know, because I do feel like when I received the Lord at 13, like things did change for me. They just weren't intentionally for my doing. I think the Lord was like, I think, I mean, there were some experiences in high school that I shouldn't have made it out of. And I did.
00:18:58
Dustin Campbell
and, and, and numerous of those because I had no, no parents around, so to speak. so fast forward a little bit, 18 graduate high school.
Marriage and Career Changes Amidst Anxiety
00:19:14
Dustin Campbell
I moved back from Idaho to California. meet this girl. at a party that my cousin's having because I'm back for a couple weeks off vacation.
00:19:25
Dustin Campbell
I just graduated high school. I'm still working. I'm actually working for Albertsons. Go down to California, reunite with my friends and everybody who's down there. And I meet Jen, who I know before. I'm like, where do I know you from?
00:19:38
Dustin Campbell
And when I moved to that small town I told you about that my parents got divorced in, Me Jen, we used to date in sixth grade. We had a little one-month...
00:19:48
Dustin Campbell
I used to walk her to class and went to church camp.
00:19:50
Steven J. Neuner
Ha ha.
00:19:52
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Come on.
00:19:53
Dustin Campbell
was like, oh my God. We reconnected that night. went back to Idaho and knew I was like, moving back. I just felt like...
00:20:04
Dustin Campbell
this that you know there's something here remember this is a really great memory of my grandpa so when i said it was a bachelor pad my grandma died too and so it was me my dad, my grandpa, his dad, and my brother through high school. Us four guys living together. And my grandpa was a stud. He was a retired architect and he was still drawing houses and stuff.
00:20:26
Dustin Campbell
So when I left for California for vacation, I came back, I was living with my grandpa. I come back and I go into his office and I said, Hey, grandpa, this is the first thing I said. said, hey, I'm moving back to California.
00:20:38
Dustin Campbell
He didn't, the first thing he said out of his mouth was, what's her name?
00:20:44
Steven J. Neuner
Ha ha ha ha.
00:20:45
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Hey, new.
00:20:47
Dustin Campbell
I was like, no, there's no name. I'm just like, I just feel like it's time to go back. He's like, nope, tell me your name. And I was like, dang. So I moved back to Cali. Me and Jen started dating. One, Jen's family is totally different than mine.
00:21:03
Dustin Campbell
The exact polar opposite. They grew up all going to church Sunday, Wednesday, Pentecostal. So full spirit.
00:21:15
Dustin Campbell
which I had like, I mean, I went to that Baptist, first Baptist for Juana's and was like pretty much it. So, and her mom was adamant, like,
00:21:28
Dustin Campbell
This dude, if he's going to pursue you, he needs to be following the Lord. needs to be baptized. It was like, dude, here's the checks. And I was like, dude, I'm checking them because I want this girl for sure.
00:21:38
Dustin Campbell
Right.
00:21:39
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
00:21:39
Dustin Campbell
It was like girl first, Lord second. But if you say I'm like, I'll do it. So anyway, 18, 19, got. kind of started pursuing the Lord again, got baptized, rededicated my life, in the pursuit of Jen, who's, who, is my wife now.
00:21:58
Dustin Campbell
And so that was, the kind of start of, you know, of figuring out what the gospel really means and what Jesus is for us really. So we got married 2000, in, uh, in 2000,
00:22:09
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
00:22:14
Dustin Campbell
It was amazing. She, we just had something,
00:22:16
Steven J. Neuner
Which is how old, I'm sorry. Yeah, sorry, Dustin. How old are you now when you married Jen?
00:22:21
Dustin Campbell
So yeah, so we were nine, I was born in 80. So I'm, I'll be 46 this year. So we, she was 19. I was 20, super young, but we just like, we just knew it, man.
00:22:30
Steven J. Neuner
Okay.
00:22:32
Dustin Campbell
It was like, we want to, we want to just pursue each other now. You know, we intentionally dated for a year, had engaged, were engaged for a year and got married at that second year. And so we start walking together really via her experience with the church and the Lord. bringing me along, right? Like the head of the household from a spiritual perspective, it was really her and to start obviously.
00:23:00
Dustin Campbell
So fast forward, I'm going to, I'll move a little quick, but so we, I was going to college at the time a JC. I, didn't know what I wanted college. All I knew is nobody in my family has college. And I was like, I just want to go to college and finish. That's it. just want to check that box. I don't know what I want to do.
00:23:16
Dustin Campbell
And so I did that, checked that box, finished school with an accounting and finance degree, economics degree just started working. I had an internship through Micron, did their state and local income tax, whatever. My dad was still doing his development thing. This is 2006.
00:23:35
Dustin Campbell
And then I was like, Hey, he was having some health issues, wanted me to come work for him. And I was like, a hundred percent, I'll come work for the family. And that was really stepping out of corporate life into my dad's business to help him out. And And that kind of like I always eventually figured I would get there because it was just kind of a that was the identity of the men, the Campbell men. It was like pursuit business. It was like we're going to go get it. We're going to do I just kind of chose the college way and then kind of swifted back. You what mean? That was kind of the identity of the men that I grew up around with it. Both sides, even my, well, not my mom's side, but my grandma's side as well. All the men over there, the Katones, they were all very entrepreneurial. So,
00:24:22
Dustin Campbell
I just needed to check the college box for me. It just was a thing. I don't know where it come. It was just like, I'm going to something different.
00:24:25
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Thank you.
00:24:27
Dustin Campbell
Maybe it's part of that thing that Todd says, you're just always up to something doing it. And I just kind of did it my way. I was like, I'm going to go finish college, finished it, gotten in my dad's business in the development space.
00:24:40
Dustin Campbell
2007 comes around. Nothing's really going on because of the housing crisis. We're land developers. We develop lots. And so we're holding our stuff. Jim becomes pregnant.
00:24:51
Dustin Campbell
We're having our first kid. And then I remember one night, it was like May 24th, 2007. It was like three months before Talia's going to be born.
00:25:03
Dustin Campbell
And I just get, at night, remember me and Jim laying in bed and I just got the heaviest, anxiety I've ever had in my life.
00:25:14
Dustin Campbell
And I didn't even know what it was. I just started having these. It was just like, I just got hit with it one night. And I remember growing up vividly and my dad struggling with anxiety and having, and like having episodes and being able to like, I don't know what he would, he would pop a pill or something. He would fine. I was like, but he would have an episode around me and be like, what are what is going on?
00:25:34
Dustin Campbell
Like, you're fine. Just chill out. I had no concept of what anxiety was, even though grew up with it. But one night, I literally just got hit with it and I could not shake it.
00:25:39
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Mm-hmm.
00:25:45
Dustin Campbell
I literally went to the doctors, thought something was wrong with me, thought I was dying. All the, you know, typical anxiety things I think people go through and just couldn't sleep.
00:25:59
Dustin Campbell
Doctor just wants to prescribe you all this medicine. I didn't like to take medicine. I didn't want to take any of it. I didn't take any of it.
00:26:07
Dustin Campbell
It forced me to start. I remember buying every single Bible, biblical book, Bible dictionary. I'm just like, this is, I have no idea what's going on. I feel like it's a spiritual attack.
00:26:20
Dustin Campbell
Mentally, I can't get out of it. couldn't go to sleep. And so this is when I started listening to Matt Chandler.
00:26:27
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Mm-hmm.
00:26:28
Dustin Campbell
2014, I find Matt Chandler on a podcast or something. And literally every night to get me to bed, had to listen to Matt Chandler. I had to get off of what was going on my mind. The only thing I could do, the Lord was like, brought me Matt Chandler.
00:26:44
Dustin Campbell
I don't even know how. I literally have no idea how. I wasn't surrounded around good people. We were going to church. So that was a major point my life where Probably,
00:26:57
Dustin Campbell
well, I mean, like I still struggle with anxiety at times, but when I, that 2007, it was major. It wasn't like I couldn't go to work and couldn't function, because was still highly functioning and still like crushing it at work and chasing business at all costs, right?
00:27:19
Dustin Campbell
But it was very taxing on me at home when things slowed down, especially at night. It was like, oh my God, how am I gonna sleep tonight? Every night.
00:27:29
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Dustin, what do you think is below that?
00:27:30
Dustin Campbell
So.
00:27:32
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Like what's causing that anxiety?
00:27:34
Steven J. Neuner
Thank you.
00:27:35
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
What's the question that is looming that you're unable to answer?
00:27:42
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Hmm.
00:27:48
Dustin Campbell
Yeah, I think it was the fear of death, honestly.
00:27:52
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Hmm.
00:27:53
Dustin Campbell
And now this lasted like intense for very extended period of time. I want to say like over 10 years, not wanting to go to sleep, not wanting to let my mind go there.
00:27:59
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:10
Dustin Campbell
Right. And I never medicated. like never. It was always I turned I would go the opposite way. There's one thing. It's like if everybody's going that way, I actually prefer to go that way. And so that doesn't always, always work well.
00:28:23
Dustin Campbell
But that was kind my mentality. So all the doctors saying, hey, here's all the meds that can make you feel better and do all the things. And I was like, I want no part of that.
00:28:30
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
00:28:31
Dustin Campbell
I actually want to go the other way. So. So I'll fast forward a little So that's 2007, eight, nine, 10.
00:28:41
Dustin Campbell
We have Talia in seven. We have Jackson in 10. Life is good. Business is growing. I'm a part of a very fast growing. left my dad's business and because we weren't doing anything and my buddy from a high school called me and he started bodybuilding.com. He says, hey, we need help. And I know you're not doing anything. Would you come help us? I said, 100%.
00:29:01
Dustin Campbell
So that was a total God thing. And I just said yes. And I joined Bible.com, which was the number one at the even at the time, because my buddy started at 99. This was 08. So in nine years, he become the number one.
00:29:16
Dustin Campbell
provider in the whole world online. So, and he was growing like a rocket ship. I think there were like a hundred million at the time. He started, literally started in his bedroom in high school.
00:29:25
Dustin Campbell
So I joined that, learned everything about that business, became executive that business in like two years, just grinded it right it was it was a grind but we were having so much fun the business was scaling we had a couple hundred people mean it was just growth after growth after growth we're scaling it we're bringing in systems we're doing all the things it was like a perfect learning ground for me and i was like 27 years old 28 just it was awesome right like it was great
00:29:54
Dustin Campbell
That led to an opportunity in the sports supplement space in Texas. I was in charge of all the brands. We had over 400 brands. was like, I don't know. can't remember.
00:30:07
Dustin Campbell
But anyway, there's two sides of the business. There was the store side where we sold the supplements. Me and Jeremy were in charge of that. And there was the content side, which we had about 100 software developers. So we controlled all the brands.
00:30:18
Dustin Campbell
We had relations with every single sports brand that was anything in the whole world. One of those brands was a small Texas brand called Cellucor. They were not sold online. And I was courting them to come online. Anyway, I ended up joining them to help them scale their business. The owner, you know, wanted to scale it.
00:30:51
Dustin Campbell
Like was also had a lot of international experience at bodybuilding because 70% of our online traffic was from international markets. So I knew a lot about
00:31:00
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Thank you.
00:31:02
Dustin Campbell
consumers in the sports supplement space internationally. And one of the things that DOS wanted to do with Cellucor was take it international. So I was the perfect person to be like, hey, I know the contacts in Brazil and what they like in Australia. And so one of the things I took over here was international. And in order to be good at international, you have to travel. It's just, you can't grow business in Brazil sitting in Brian. So I picked up traveling,
00:31:31
Dustin Campbell
you know, all over the world with this like heavy anxiety, like taking 13 hour flights with like, oh my God, I don't want to step on this plane. So like, and the Lord provided a lot. And just like, even when my brain doesn't want to do something, just like force myself to do it. I'm just like,
00:31:50
Dustin Campbell
Just go do it. Just get through it. You're fine. Like, you know, I think I don't know who told me this early on when I was dealing with a lot of the anxiety stuff is like nobody dies from anxiety.
00:32:02
Dustin Campbell
Like nobody's death certificate says like, oh, he died from anxious thoughts. You what I mean? And so I'm like. I'm like, okay, so it was very, very hard, you know, specifically being away from home, knowing that I got to go to sleep somewhere in the middle of nowhere, Brazil or Europe.
00:32:21
Dustin Campbell
And I'm not, I'm in bad state mentally, like horrible, you know, but I did it. I just, forced myself to do it. And the Lord provided, he just, he just did. you know, all the time after time, after time, fast forward.
Career Setback and Identity Crisis
00:32:37
Dustin Campbell
So I joined 2010 or no 12,
00:32:41
Dustin Campbell
Texas. The business is growing really fast. I'm a partner in that business. 2014 comes, I come back off a 19 day trip. I was gone 19 days straight in like India, the middle East, Europe, all over the place.
00:33:01
Dustin Campbell
Come back 19 days. First day back in the office, I get fired. Like you're gone. We're buying you out. I'm like, So, hold just a second. my whole life just stops right there. Like my whole identity and business
00:33:26
Dustin Campbell
everything to that point, all the success at the previous role to this role.
00:33:26
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Mm-hmm.
00:33:32
Dustin Campbell
And in two years, we almost doubled the business. I mean, it was growing really fast everything came to a stop one day of nowhere, which is, and when I look back was totally the Lord pulling and like, if that,
00:33:52
Dustin Campbell
There's multiple crossroads in everybody's life. That was one for me right there. January 2014 something like that. Six. I remember vividly.
00:34:05
Dustin Campbell
At the time, had no idea. I thought my whole world was gone. Like everything I worked so hard for, college, scaling the bodybuilding from 100 to 300 million, scaling this business, everything I'd, yeah, I had my family and I was a good family man. I was a good dad and I loved Jesus and these things, but really my priority was business and the success of business. And Steven, you knowing that I'm good at business and I'm growing things. That was what's important to me.
00:34:39
Dustin Campbell
And as soon as that got taken away, was like, oh my gosh,
00:34:45
Dustin Campbell
I don't even know who I am. don't even know what to do.
00:34:47
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Thank you.
00:34:49
Dustin Campbell
Because it got taken from me so quickly. It wasn't like, hey, you got, you know, you see it coming. So That year, that happened that year.
Finding Community and Embracing Vulnerability
00:35:01
Dustin Campbell
We, in 2000, I'll back up a little bit. 2012, we started going to a small church called, oh gosh, Declaration, which was planted by Blake Chilton, who was little, he was under Matt Chandler at the Village. He came and planted the village, planted a church in call station. And guess what? We're like, guess what we're going.
00:35:23
Dustin Campbell
I've been grinding Matt Chandler for five years every night to go to bed. So we're going to go to declaration, which is totally a God thing too. We got connected declaration.
00:35:34
Dustin Campbell
Travis, they brought Travis down from Dallas to join and help grow the business in, in, two years in early 2014, I think something like that.
00:35:44
Dustin Campbell
And I got engaged in a men's group and kind of their ministry. And, and this was and Travis was obviously a friend with Todd. Todd was just starting out and Travis organized this trip. And I was like, 100% I'm going, I have no idea what to expect.
00:36:03
Dustin Campbell
But I was this was like four months
00:36:07
Dustin Campbell
maybe five months after I just got my whole life, you know, pulled out from under me or what I thought, right? At the time, we go on trail, have no expectations.
00:36:21
Dustin Campbell
I remember, I remember Todd, Todd, at the first night sharing his story and I'm like, oh God, I'm in trouble.
00:36:33
Dustin Campbell
This guy, do, I remember, and I was actually really scared. This guy just laid his whole life out to 10 dudes that he really never met.
00:36:37
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah. Hmm.
00:36:47
Dustin Campbell
And I was scared because I didn't want to open my closet, right? And when you're in that environment, like,
00:36:59
Dustin Campbell
Who am I to hide my stuff when this dude just laid it down? Right. And so I had no idea going into that trip.
00:37:11
Dustin Campbell
And so obviously share my whole story. And one of the biggest things in my closet was, you know, I got exposed to pornography when I was 12. Started really consuming it in college when the internet and, you know, we had access to things and kept it in this closet while I'm living this Christian life and trying to pursue my wife while
00:37:33
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
00:37:34
Dustin Campbell
I got major bodies controlling up in my back and, and, and what that does to your brain and how you objectify women. And like, like this is gonna, this is gonna end badly. Right. And I think one, when I look back on my life, that identity crisis in 14 was pulling number one, there was two things.
00:37:59
Dustin Campbell
That thing redirected my whole life in knowing that I had an identity crisis and the idols in my life and the affirmation of this business success was the thing I was chasing and not the Lord.
00:38:11
Dustin Campbell
That was the first thing. The second thing is the biggest thing in my closet was this objectification of women and pornography thing, huge. So I confessed that on trail to these 10 men, 11 men, whoever was on the trail.
00:38:26
Dustin Campbell
And I was so relieved to actually have it come out in that setting. Like, so scared to share.
00:38:36
Dustin Campbell
But once I shared, I was like, it's out, man. Like, everybody knows. And so excited because felt freedom, right?
00:38:42
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Hmm.
00:38:46
Dustin Campbell
You felt freedom. Like, the Lord...
00:38:49
Dustin Campbell
Brought you to this point. How'd you share it with these men? And I remember feeling the rest of the trail, feeling like freedom and excited, excited to home with that freedom.
00:39:01
Dustin Campbell
I remember off the trail, I was flying this. For some reason, I flew and out. I don't know why, but I was in the airport, whatever airport it was at the time, calling my wife so excited to tell her,
00:39:13
Dustin Campbell
And I was so ignorant. was so stupid. was like, I remember being like, I can't wait. I can't wait. just want to, like, if I was on Facebook or something, I probably would have put it on Facebook, right?
00:39:19
Steven J. Neuner
Yeah.
00:39:23
Dustin Campbell
But I'm about to crush her heart.
00:39:25
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
I've never heard this.
00:39:27
Dustin Campbell
And I'm excited.
00:39:30
Dustin Campbell
just didn't like, I didn't think about it because
00:39:31
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
00:39:34
Dustin Campbell
I just was, I was so excited about the freedom I felt and about what the changes I was going to make at home.
00:39:41
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
00:39:42
Dustin Campbell
I'd never thought about, oh, I'm going to crush my wife's soul. Letting her know that I've been looking at other women and I've drug to find women on the side. And it was like the highest high just went like, I just, I just wasn't ready for it because for whatever. So,
00:40:00
Dustin Campbell
obviously, you know, that was a major thing for us and getting through that and unpacking that and setting boundaries and like that, you know, way forward, the Lord changing my identity, ripping it away and bringing way forward, save my marriage. 100%. You can't, you can't, you can't consume And think about things and not act on it eventually.
00:40:30
Dustin Campbell
It will ruin your marriage. It's not ruin your mind first, but you will act on it, right? These things you will act on. So renew your mind, obviously, you know, Paul tells us. So.
00:40:41
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Hey, Duffton, I want to dive in just to, like, before we go past that first trip, and, you know, you've been super real with us here on, you know, on this interview, and, but...
00:40:42
Steven J. Neuner
Yeah.
00:40:55
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
coming in, know, you were, you were the guy like Travis told me about you before you ever showed up. Like, dude, this guy, he's the real deal. I mean, know, and, and, uh, so on the outside, bro, you've, you've got it all together.
00:41:11
Dustin Campbell
Right.
00:41:22
Dustin Campbell
Yes.
00:41:23
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
I mean, dude, you're like floating around on cloud shoes and, you know, wearing, you know, neon clothes.
00:41:26
Steven J. Neuner
laughter
00:41:29
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And I mean, you had it all together. You have a swagger. You have a confidence. Like you have all that stuff externally. And internally, you know, there's that anxiety and anxiety comes from something. I mean, you know, you said fear of death. There's control. There's, you know, all that stuff. And then pornography. I mean, it's like, dude, beneath the surface, it's a, you know, it's a raging war.
00:41:55
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And on the outside, it's put together and clean.
00:41:55
Dustin Campbell
Yes.
00:41:58
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And I do, you know, you made the statement, I didn't go the medical route. But what I would assess is instead of putting pills in your body, you instinctively said, hey, I'm good at these things.
00:42:11
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And you know what? I'm going to put all my chips on those things. You're a hard worker. You're invincible.
00:42:17
Dustin Campbell
Yes.
00:42:18
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
You can figure crap out.
00:42:19
Steven J. Neuner
They're great. Great medications.
00:42:20
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
curious. I mean, you're a... Yeah. So those were your medication was, dude, I'm putting all my chips in here.
00:42:22
Dustin Campbell
Yeah.
00:42:27
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And I just... I love, like, I don't want to blow past. I know we joked around about Jen. And I mean, I had the same moment where I told my wife, you know, sitting across the table and it's like hardest and best conversation I've ever had in my life.
00:42:39
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
But man, that freedom that you experience is like, holy crap. I can be known. Like, I don't have to hide anymore.
00:42:47
Dustin Campbell
Yeah.
00:42:47
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Like what, what was that like? I mean, what one, like, what was it like before, know, you've described some of it, but just like, what was your internal dialogue, you know, before the trip started?
00:42:58
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And then, know, what was it like walking around after you shared knowing, man, I can, I can be me. I don't have to hide anymore.
00:43:08
Dustin Campbell
Well, I think it's really easy. It's really easy to hide raging war If you don't have
00:43:20
Dustin Campbell
a good board of directors around you personally. And so men don't like to go deep. They like to, they like to keep people at bay. Yeah, you can have some close friends and everybody does the, you know, small talk.
00:43:36
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Hmm.
00:43:40
Dustin Campbell
man, look how successful is, man. Look at, mean, holy cow, let's go to church with his family and have a raging, raging war mentally going on.
00:43:50
Dustin Campbell
But it's, I think the, I think what you've done really well at WayForward is allow, you don't allow people to go on that trail and not share who they are. Like that's like, this is a freedom hike and you don't even know it, right? We're gonna shut the world off and unlock like really who you are. And I think you've done a really good job at that. Yeah, do people not, do some people maybe not share everything? Yeah, but I mean, I've gone on three of them and you hear some, pornography maybe one thing, but we've heard some,
00:44:25
Dustin Campbell
way worse things than that. And guys are just laying it out. Right. And so you feel so freedom because you never said it to anybody.
00:44:30
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
00:44:34
Dustin Campbell
You never told anybody anything about your, your, your dark closet. And so, yeah, I mean, I mean, there's no, there's no better feeling than it coming to the surface. And then, you know, one, one of the things that was super important once got off trail was like, and Travis was super intentional about this is like, Hey,
00:44:52
Dustin Campbell
Now that we're on trail and we've kind of shared these things, now it's like we need to continue to live around each other and be vulnerable to the sin in our lives. This is how we keep the closet from not getting stuffed again.
00:45:06
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
00:45:06
Dustin Campbell
Right? Like surround ourselves with guys who love the Lord, love their family, and are the same pursuits, in the same vein, but also who sharpen each other and be like, listen, dude, I have a problem.
00:45:16
Dustin Campbell
Or the boundaries I've set for my pornography are not working. Like who says that? Right. And so when I say like board of directors, like the people around me, right, like a business, you put people in the board of directors that know things about business that keep that business going forward. Same thing personally. Who are the four or five guys around you? They're slap you in the face and be like, what are you looking at?
00:45:38
Dustin Campbell
What are doing or checking in on you? Right. And so those those barriers.
00:45:41
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
00:45:43
Dustin Campbell
So we so Travis was really good about that. And I thank the Lord for him about that. And even though when I wasn't in his church, I was always intentional about surrounding myself with guys that.
00:45:55
Dustin Campbell
I could tell I wanted to continue the visibility and vulnerability because that's the way the closet doesn't get built. Right. And that's the way I continue to pursue my wife and family like I should without having to confess every year on trail what's going on.
00:46:13
Dustin Campbell
Like we should be able to do this every day. Right. And I just did this this morning. I meet with five guys at Bible study and. We go through a Bible study, but we also pray for each other and be like, what's going on? Well, that's that time to be like, here's what's going on.
00:46:28
Dustin Campbell
Here's what's really going on, right?
00:46:29
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
00:46:30
Dustin Campbell
And if guys can get in the rhythm of number one, shaking the big, opening the door first, Get on trail, open up, confess, get some freedom in your life like you never had before. And then the continuing part of that is to surround yourself with like minded men who love the Lord, who love you and who are really iron shoppers. Not surface level. Hey, I'm doing good. How's your business doing? But like, really, how are you doing with the pornography you told me about two years ago?
00:47:02
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
00:47:02
Dustin Campbell
Like, you know, are you struggling when you go to the Aggie football game and you can't keep your blighters on because there's, you know, 20,000 girls?
00:47:02
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
00:47:10
Dustin Campbell
What do you do? Like, how are you doing? Seriously? Like, these are real questions and not just every other man. Every man deals with this. Pastors, non-pastors.
00:47:22
Dustin Campbell
And so when I say forward and the Lord and that CrossFit saved my life, that's what I mean because I was on a path for destruction.
Life-Changing Trail Experience and Personal Transformation
00:47:29
Dustin Campbell
I had more success than I ever thought I would get. I had more freedom than ever had.
00:47:34
Dustin Campbell
And I got it all taken away. And one day, thank the Lord for that.
00:47:40
Dustin Campbell
Because if I didn't, that business that I got taken from went to a billion dollars. I would have more money and then I would have no family. 100% right now.
00:47:56
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
00:47:59
Dustin Campbell
I did it. So... 2014, yeah, that was trip of freedom for me, and it changed my family's life forever.
00:48:02
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Praise God, dude. Yeah. Okay.
00:48:08
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Thank you.
00:48:12
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And I love, I love the simplicity of that.
00:48:12
Dustin Campbell
So...
00:48:12
Steven J. Neuner
Dustin?
00:48:13
Steven J. Neuner
Yeah.
00:48:15
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
It's like, we want to think that, you know, finding freedom is, is some formula, some, you know, you got to get a master's degree in life. And it's like, no, what you said is confess the crap that's in your closet and find men around you that'll, that you can have conversations with.
00:48:31
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
It's like, that's where freedom comes. Like stuck comes from hiding.
00:48:34
Dustin Campbell
Yeah.
00:48:35
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Freedom comes from vulnerability. and just to give context, you know, uh, Dustin, this is probably one of my favorite WayForward stories to ever tell.
00:48:46
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And no, it doesn't involve like a loincloth towel.
00:48:50
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
That's your favorite story to ever tell. So Dustin, early on, We've got a no watch policy at WayForward. And it's like, dude, let go. It's four days. You don't even know what time it is. Your guides going take care of you. Leave the darn watch here.
00:49:04
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Trust your guide just like you trust the Lord. Well, Dustin was maybe just a smidge controlling, to say it nicely. And so he looks at me and he's like, bro, I just bought this $500 watch. I'm bringing it on trail.
00:49:17
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
I won't look at the time. I'm just going to do my steps. And, you know, kind of early and to say Dustin had a swagger, like, you know, he, he, it really wasn't a question. He just told me I'm wearing this watch on trail.
00:49:28
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
I kind of gave like a, yes, yes, sir. You know? And I mean, Dustin worked for bodybuilder.com. I know he's got a sweatshirt on right now, but the dude is stoked. Like just six pack abs, you know, just stoked up.
00:49:38
Dustin Campbell
Yeah, right.
00:49:41
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And so I was like, you're not going to look at the time? He's like, no, man. I mean, he looks at me straight in the face. I'm not going to look at the time, bro. And so we're out there, and I forget. It was like day three, and we brought everybody coffee in their – or no, we brought a couple guys coffee in their tents.
00:49:54
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And Dustin rolls out, and he's like, man, if I'd have known you were bringing coffee at 6 o'clock, like I would have had my cup ready.
00:50:00
Dustin Campbell
Oh.
00:50:02
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And I said, what do – What do you mean?
00:50:04
Dustin Campbell
How do you know this?
00:50:06
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
How do you know what time it is?
00:50:06
Steven J. Neuner
Yeah.
00:50:07
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And he goes, man, I was just I was just guessing like by the sun and whatever. And his tent mate unzips the tent and he goes, bullshit, dude, you looked at your watch.
00:50:17
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And he looked at me like, I mean, he got caught.
00:50:21
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And I looked at him and I said, hey, man, it's OK. I got control issues as well.
00:50:26
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And he just turned around and walked back to his tent. And like the day goes on and the next day he wakes up and he walks over and he goes, hey man, I took the watch off.
00:50:36
Steven J. Neuner
Thank you.
00:50:36
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And I was just like, oh, that's so good. But it's so true. It's like, dude, and here's the deal.
00:50:42
Dustin Campbell
Yeah.
00:50:45
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
If you really think about it, like, you know, go back to the anxiety. If it's all on me, if everything rests on my shoulders,
00:50:54
Dustin Campbell
Yeah.
00:50:55
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Dude, I'm going to wear the watch. I'm going to check everything, like biohacking. I mean, all the stuff in life.
00:51:00
Dustin Campbell
Yeah. 100%.
00:51:01
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
It's like, I'm going to make sure everything is fine-tuned because my freaking identity is on the line. And also, if you start peeping through the cracks, you're going to see all the shit that I've been hiding for so long.
00:51:15
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
So like, I'm going to keep it all together. And I mean, dude, I respect you. I mean, I jokingly tell that story, but like, that's me. And so I just, yeah, it's like, that's who you were.
00:51:22
Dustin Campbell
Yeah.
00:51:26
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And man, like the transformation that happened and the change.
00:51:26
Dustin Campbell
Yep.
00:51:30
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And I want to continue story. Stephen, you might have a question, but I want to hear more of like, dude, that was 2014.
00:51:32
Steven J. Neuner
Yeah.
00:51:36
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
We're 12 years ago. Like I know there's, and there's ups and downs.
00:51:37
Dustin Campbell
Yep.
00:51:39
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
It's not like one thing happens and oh my gosh, life was perfect after that. No, you're still, you know, wrestling stuff.
00:51:43
Dustin Campbell
Yep.
00:51:45
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
But no, you might have a, you might have a question.
00:51:54
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah. Yep.
00:51:59
Steven J. Neuner
And it's, you know, anyone who doesn't have that, like that, you know, even if you have it, you maybe haven't experienced it yet today. just want to feel that, right? So it's so compelling.
00:52:08
Dustin Campbell
Brian.
00:52:11
Steven J. Neuner
I want to talk about, like, I think, When you go back home, when you go back to the valley, right? mean, obviously you had a situation. We chuckled about it, but it was like, it was a blind side for while. Talk about the healing process and like help people that are maybe afraid. You know, they can do it even on the mountaintop. They can do it with a certain group of guys, but they can't.
00:52:34
Steven J. Neuner
Like talk to that person. Like what have you learned from that experience?
00:52:38
Dustin Campbell
Yeah, I mean, that's, you know, that's gonna, you know, for a marriage and for a man to confess that to the person they love more than anything is the hardest thing I think a man can do. But it's required step for freedom for your marriage. It's your wife...
00:53:06
Dustin Campbell
Doesn't want to hear it, but she needs to know, right? She wants to, she needs to hear it. And, you know, this, this, that vulnerability in the moment is only going to bring, know at the, at the time when you confess it, you feel so far away, probably emotionally, physically your wife, but it's going to bring you so much closer together as you heal. And, and, and then the, the continued, know,
00:53:30
Dustin Campbell
conversations of vulnerability are that much easier. And they're typically, in my experience, have been much smaller, right? And so as you continue, not just break through that one time and get the big elephant out closet, but as you continue to fail as a husband and father, as you will, whether you're standing against your wife or not, just continue that vulnerability to her and build that muscle of like, yeah, I'm falling. I'm not as perfect as I appear to be or want you to think I am. But I think after you get so much more closer emotionally and I would say even physically, like for us, it's, you know,
00:54:13
Dustin Campbell
Yeah, it transformed your marriage in ways it's very hard to describe. It just does. Not you fully being who...
00:54:24
Dustin Campbell
being transparent with who you are and the things you're dealing with. And even if it's against her or not, there's a level of transparency that needs to be there and continue to be there for that closeness in that as you both work towards the Lord and you guys get closer together, it has to be there. If you were holding something back, you're never gonna allow you, that sin is always gonna be in between you and you and the Lord and you and your wife. It's never gonna allow the closeness you guys you are designed to be ever.
00:54:53
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yep.
00:54:53
Dustin Campbell
It's just not.
00:54:54
Dustin Campbell
And so pull the bandaid off, get that thing out of the way and continue to have that vulnerability for life. And then, you know, as you both are seeking the Lord, you're going to get, it's so good.
00:55:05
Dustin Campbell
It's so, so good. So yeah, it's not easy at all. Well, you know what? Guess what? Nothing worth it in life is easy.
00:55:14
Steven J. Neuner
Hmm.
00:55:15
Dustin Campbell
Like it's not, right? You know, there's only one person, know, wins the lottery and it's not you. It's never going to be you. So it's going to be hard.
00:55:21
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
you
00:55:23
Dustin Campbell
You know, so it's like, but yeah, it do. The mountain is huge. I know I felt it. Like, and if it wasn't for a way forward, I don't know, maybe today I wouldn't have shared it. Maybe I'd have even a bigger closet or, or, but It didn't matter because the Lord, my path is different. He pulled the identity business out of me. He put me on trail. I confessed it to 10 men. Well, guess what? My next step is confess it to the person I lay my head down to every night with.
00:55:51
Dustin Campbell
And that has provided freedom in all ways, not just personally, but in our marriage. And, you know, and then it allows your wife to ask that question and really check in on you, which she should, right? How are you doing here?
00:56:06
Dustin Campbell
It's not just the men around your life.
00:56:06
Steven J. Neuner
That's
00:56:07
Dustin Campbell
How it allows your wife to be like, and you know, they also have things too, right. that they need to share and maybe they're different and most likely they are, So yeah, it's freedom for your family. If the head of the household has freedom and is transparent, it's freedom for the whole family.
00:56:35
Dustin Campbell
He doesn't turn from the storm.
00:56:35
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Come
00:56:36
Dustin Campbell
He just goes right into it, right? And you don't have to be a buffalo every day. Just get through the biggest storm in your life, which is hiding the sin away from your family and your wife, and then figure out, you know, maybe how to live in the storm rather than try to stay out of it. Like, hey, let's find a normal inside it because the storm is not going away.
00:56:54
Steven J. Neuner
Yeah.
00:56:54
Dustin Campbell
Right? Like this isn't, this isn't forever. And when we think we can just, you know, I think this, you know, when I first met Todd, I was like, dude, I have everything. I'll just go, you know, I'm going to dock my boat right to this fricking dock here, tie it as tight as I can and wave, you know, from the dock to everybody. But that's super unrealistic. I was just, you know, immature in my walk with the Lord and also scared.
00:57:18
Dustin Campbell
Let's be honest, scared out of my mind not be in control.
00:57:22
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
00:57:23
Dustin Campbell
So that was the first step of like, you know, that was the first step in really saving not just, you know, my family, but my life and redirecting it and really like exposing the identity crisis had that I never knew did.
00:57:42
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Hmm.
00:57:44
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
00:57:45
Dustin Campbell
So that was 14.
00:57:46
Steven J. Neuner
Okay.
00:57:48
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Thank you.
00:57:48
Dustin Campbell
Obviously, you know, I continue to go on trail, not just 14. Like I had something to like, I have another big thing because I really didn't. It was more of like to bring other people around me to experience that freedom. And also, know, just continue to confess sin with other men and see the freedom going around. I really wanted to just continue to do it. And so we did. We led another trip.
00:58:14
Dustin Campbell
And I was still dealing with anxiety at this time. And I remember the second trip being like, hey, this is going to be the rock I throw off the mountain. I really need this to go away. It's not of God, it's not healthy. And that mountaintop moment for me was like, hey, I'm gonna deal with this once and for all. This was 2016. Now, did it happen right at that moment? I like strike me and it's like, it's gone, right? It was like, I'm intentionally gonna set this thing aside and work on it, right? Like this is what the Lord's brought to me.
00:58:49
Dustin Campbell
And so that was 15, our second trip, which was a very hard trip. And I, and Todd was leading this one. We brought somebody on the trip who physically accepted last minute and I wasn't in the best shape. And we all grinded through that trip, but it was, it was really good. And I actually, I'm going to go back a little bit, Todd.
00:59:12
Dustin Campbell
There was one, did go crazy with the boots. I ordered like 15 boots, tried every single one on.
00:59:17
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Thank
00:59:19
Dustin Campbell
And I was like buying my own stuff. And he's like, dude, you don't any of that. Anyway, I came all fitted because that's just what I do. Because I think I told you before, I have like approval of others is an idol for me.
00:59:30
Dustin Campbell
So like part of that is like, Hey, you got to look the part. You got to act the part. You got to address them. You got to, this is something you got to do. I think there's an unhealthy part of that, which, you know, I do have. So anyway, I show up on trail with,
00:59:45
Dustin Campbell
these most expensive Italian leather hiking boots. Like, and Todd's like, okay, wow.
00:59:50
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Oh yeah.
00:59:52
Dustin Campbell
Uh, and the first thing we do on that trip is we, we have lunch on a Creek side and we, uh, have lunch and then we take our boots off and we cross the Creek.
01:00:05
Dustin Campbell
and we get to the other side and we put our boots on and we start. Wow. Wow. Mr. Italian Boot Man didn't quite strap the boots on really tight because I'm so excited to go. And 45 minutes in trail, my feet are hurting.
01:00:21
Dustin Campbell
And there's no turning back. And I end up with every step for five days hurt so bad. had the biggest...
01:00:34
Dustin Campbell
freaking silver dollar blisters on each of my heels.
01:00:34
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
They were.
01:00:38
Dustin Campbell
It was horrible. And I just remember like, I remember every step hurting so bad. I was the slow one on the trail and it was like, Todd brought me to the front and said, Hey, we're going to all pace off you. You're super slow.
01:00:51
Dustin Campbell
was like, okay, great. and, and, and I can't remember who the other guy was.
01:00:53
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
I said it way more kind, way more kind than that.
01:00:57
Steven J. Neuner
Nice boots.
01:00:58
Dustin Campbell
I remember But like literally I had to like patch my feet up every morning and bandage them up to go on trail. Cause my, however expensive these stupid boots were, were not great. And I just remember like,
01:01:14
Dustin Campbell
remember like just the grind of it's just put one foot in front of the other, just keep going one foot. And it was just like,
01:01:26
Dustin Campbell
That trip for me was amazing in a lot of ways. And it wasn't about finding an easy way to live your life and have all the comforts and tie the, you know, the boat to the dock. It was, that was the Lord like really working on me that trip. And it was, it was hard. It was very, very, very hard. Great. Freedom was amazing, but physically every step was it was hard. I mean, it was, it was extremely painful. So I just, wanted highlight that. But also, so when I showed up for the next trip, the next year, I was like, well, of course I'm not showing up in Italian leather boots, zero chance.
01:02:08
Dustin Campbell
I find these Hoka brand new moon boots that I got made fun of forever. But they are amazing.
01:02:15
Steven J. Neuner
Thank you.
01:02:16
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And then they were popular like 10 years later. Like, he's a trendsetter.
01:02:19
Dustin Campbell
Oh, yeah. It was groundbreaking. Nobody knew what Hoka was. It was like the first Hoka hiking boot anybody's ever seen. Of course, I'm going to bring it on trail. And Todd looks at me like, you look like you're walking on clouds. Like the heels like this thick.
01:02:32
Dustin Campbell
But anyway, it was so awesome.
01:02:32
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
So true.
01:02:36
Dustin Campbell
So...
01:02:36
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
We were jealous.
01:02:38
Dustin Campbell
Yeah. So this 2016 or 15, I went on trial, which was great. More about others, less about me, but still a lot of growth.
01:02:48
Dustin Campbell
That was the really focus on, hey, I'm going to deal with this anxiety thing. Throw that thing off the mountain, feel some freedom from it and focus on it. Go back to the valley, focus on it. And I did 2017, think I skipped a year and went.
01:03:04
Dustin Campbell
I think my last trip and that trip we brought a couple more, more guys from our church. This was like Travis is like third or fourth trip.
01:03:15
Dustin Campbell
And it was just bringing more guys around us, wanting to experience his freedom, wanting to find guys to walk with. We brought our worship leader, James, remember his last name, amazing guy. And this trip really, really cemented that fear and anxiety experience.
01:03:36
Dustin Campbell
Oh, did I lose you guys?
01:03:37
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
You're back, Ann. You're back, Ann.
01:03:39
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yep.
01:03:39
Steven J. Neuner
I sent a text to Elon Musk.
01:03:39
Dustin Campbell
Sorry.
01:03:41
Steven J. Neuner
He got it all sorted out. You're back.
01:03:42
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
No.
01:03:43
Dustin Campbell
Dang, I hate that.
01:03:45
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
James Curlin.
01:03:47
Dustin Campbell
James, yes. James Curlin's on. So one night, he starts breaking out in worship. This is on the backside after the lake. So this is towards the end of the trip.
01:04:00
Dustin Campbell
And we all start worshiping. It's amazing. I mean, it's beautiful. The freaking stars are everywhere. It's just amazing night. Everybody just, I think it just broke out. Like he just started and he's insane. And we start worshiping.
01:04:17
Dustin Campbell
remember being on my sleeping bag against a tree and I was bundled up. And the Lord just grabbed me and squeezed me. And I could not move.
01:04:27
Dustin Campbell
I was literally a cocoon and I could not. And I remember initially feeling a lot of fear, having no idea what was going on.
01:04:39
Dustin Campbell
And then realizing in the moment, I'm like, oh my God, the Holy Spirit is like holding me. Like the Lord was physically constricting me.
01:04:50
Dustin Campbell
as the first time and the only time I've ever experienced that. And it was, it was frightening because didn't know going on. But then in the moment I was like, oh my God, this is so the Lord.
01:05:02
Dustin Campbell
It's only him. He was everywhere. Everybody was worshiping him. It was really, really amazing.
01:05:09
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Thank you.
01:05:11
Dustin Campbell
However, that night, still dealing with anxiety and fear, not knowing what happened, but knowing what happened, I didn't, I was up all night and I had, I was like trembling fear, like shaking. Philip Pacinello was sleeping next to me. Didn't feel, I was like, I didn't sleep an ink all night.
01:05:33
Dustin Campbell
We get up and when, you know, we usually have coffee and a little, a little Bible study before. I don't know if this was Travis or one of the guys, the trail leaders.
01:05:46
Dustin Campbell
They brought up the scripture of fear and trembling.
01:05:49
Dustin Campbell
I don't know the scripture off the top of my head, but you know the one I'm talking about? And I was like, you have no idea what just happened. Like that's speaking to me right now because I just laid in that tent for seven hours shaking and fear of Fear and trembling was all over me last night, the whole night.
01:06:13
Dustin Campbell
And so that experience of like, like really just exposed who's really in control and really, really shook me to my core in a good way.
01:06:27
Dustin Campbell
Like the Lord, like really holding me and squeezing me and letting me know he was there. And then like, Yeah, not and then going through that whole night of like me, my mind and the fear and trembling I had like physically trembling.
01:06:41
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah. Yeah.
01:06:42
Dustin Campbell
Like it was.
01:06:46
Dustin Campbell
Man, was really, really impactful. And then, you know, to kind of wrap it up in the morning and then that. him talk about fear and trembling as the message when I just, you know, experienced it all night. It was like a complete, the picture was complete for me. You know mean? Like the Lord really provided there. So,
01:07:09
Dustin Campbell
That was my last, my last trip on trail, kind of bringing back home like this, you know, still dealing with this anxiety thing and figuring out what really is
Confronting Anxiety and Idols Through Faith
01:07:21
Dustin Campbell
at the core of it. Right. And Todd, you were kind of hitting on It's like, well, it's kind of like, I don't want to die. I kind of got everything I want. Like, I like I don't know where I'm going and I don't I don't know if like it and all these things. And so like that's that's kind brought me really understanding what the Lord has revealed, what heaven is about. Right. And really diving into where are we going and
01:07:43
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
01:07:43
Dustin Campbell
Why are we going there? And why is there a new heaven and a new earth? Well, you know, we know this world is broken and we know that sin was introduced and kind of separate us from God. And so it's like, what has God promised us for eternity?
01:07:55
Dustin Campbell
Like, what is it? And those were, that's when that, that questioning started happening. And, and, and the last, you know, so I haven't been on trail in 10 years. I think, well, God, maybe, you know, maybe, maybe nine years. I don't know. But I've, I've,
01:08:12
Dustin Campbell
been dealing with that a lot, honestly, like, and I see it also in my kids, right. And my wife and like under seeing it, addressing it and understanding where that fear comes from. Cause you know, we're, we're parents, we don't, we, you know, we want our kids to, you know, not get hurt and, and, and not die young and all these things. But like, you know, for, if we're really honest with ourselves, we have no control over that.
01:08:41
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Okay.
01:08:41
Dustin Campbell
Right. And if we're really honest with ourselves, we're all scared of that. But like,
01:08:48
Dustin Campbell
You know, focusing on eternal things and what the Lord has coming for us has really, really helped me and also my family. Like knowing that, hey, guys, we're blessed now and thank the Lord. We pray all the time for the blessings he's given us. But this isn't forever, right? In front of us isn't forever.
01:09:07
Dustin Campbell
And thank the Lord for that.
01:09:10
Steven J. Neuner
Thank you.
01:09:10
Dustin Campbell
Actually, that it's not forever. Right. But if you if I lived in like Lala land of like, I want this things he blessed me with and I want to put it above him and I want it to last forever.
01:09:23
Dustin Campbell
And I lived in that like headspace. And yeah. OK, so if you if if the fear of taking that away is driving me crazy, well, it's well, I got all that above Christ. I got my order wrong.
01:09:38
Dustin Campbell
If that is what I want and only what I want, of course, if something takes that away, I'm going to lose everything. I have another identity crisis in my life. And guess what I did? I put all the blessings that God gave me and I put it right above him.
01:09:52
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
01:09:53
Dustin Campbell
And I said, hey, don't take this away, please. And I pray every day you don't take this away and don't let this little bubble last forever. And that's totally wrong.
01:10:04
Dustin Campbell
I mean, that thing's going to blow up. you know, in my face. And so the Lord has revealed that, like, I got rid the sin that was in my life and replaced it with idols that he's blessing with and put it above him.
01:10:20
Dustin Campbell
And he's revealed that like, hey, good things in your life, you can make idols, your family, your kids, like, like these aren't, these don't, nothing goes above the Lord.
01:10:27
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
01:10:30
Dustin Campbell
Right. And so I've been peeling that onion back of like,
01:10:35
Dustin Campbell
the pursuit of this perfect family is unrealistic and it's an idol if it's above the Lord. And the last, like, you know, think the journey of way forward and exposing yourself, the continuation of that is what I'm going through now is like, hey, what are the things in my life that are not,
01:11:03
Dustin Campbell
pursuing the Lord correctly. What are the idols in my life? You know, this approval of others is still a big thing. This, you know, there are still big things that at times I place above my wife, my kids.
01:11:23
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah. Yeah.
01:11:25
Dustin Campbell
And so the, the eternity thing has really helped me.
01:11:26
Steven J. Neuner
Dustin.
01:11:30
Steven J. Neuner
Hey, Dustin, I'm just curious. thank you for sharing this.
01:11:32
Dustin Campbell
Yeah.
01:11:34
Steven J. Neuner
I I'm, I'm curious as you bring that home, right. Is your, is your bringing that home. God's revealing where you're elevating these things above Him. I'm curious how that affects, what are tangible ways that you take action or what has He revealed for you? How is your walk different?
01:11:55
Steven J. Neuner
like when, when you talked about pornography, talked about your board of directors and these men, and you talked about boundaries you put in place, like I'm using my language here, but like hedges that you put in place.
01:12:05
Steven J. Neuner
So you don't necessarily accidentally fall off the cliff. Right. as your root, as these things are being revealed to you, what, what are some like tangible, boundaries?
01:12:09
Dustin Campbell
Right?
01:12:16
Steven J. Neuner
Uh, I'm just, I'm curious what that looks like, uh, in the Valley for you.
01:12:22
Dustin Campbell
I think the, mean, the, the initial boundaries of, of the sin I shared pretty simple and, and, and, you know, making sure everybody sees what's going on here, right.
01:12:32
Dustin Campbell
Keeping guys around you that are asking vulnerable questions that know your sin.
01:12:32
Steven J. Neuner
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:12:37
Dustin Campbell
Okay. Those are boundaries and those have worked really well.
01:12:41
Dustin Campbell
And the continual confession of sin, the boundaries now for me, Outside of that and really like, hey, is the idol or are the things being placed above the Lord? It's really of where I'm spending my time, where I'm spending my money, where I'm spending my thought life.
01:13:01
Dustin Campbell
If those three things...
01:13:02
Steven J. Neuner
Mm-hmm. Mm.
01:13:05
Dustin Campbell
I can answer in something that's above the Lord. I'm like, I know there's a problem. I just, I like, I know.
01:13:10
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Mm-hmm.
01:13:11
Dustin Campbell
And the Lord has revealed good things in my life that can become idols. Right. And so, If I were to give you access to my checkbook, you could probably identify the idols that have the potential to be placed above the Lord.
01:13:28
Dustin Campbell
If you spend a month with me and see where I spend my time and effort. And I think somebody who has approval of others or this kind of business.
01:13:38
Dustin Campbell
Oh, gosh, my computer might die. I'm going to have stop here for second and plug it in. I have the. I'm susceptible of it coming back, right? Of chasing things that aren't in pursuit of the Lord just to chase them, right? So think just being aware of those idols is the first thing. And then also like, you know, having the board of directors is a really, really important aspect. And you sharing those idols
01:14:12
Dustin Campbell
and living life with some of those people, those will be exposed. Like that you can't, I mean, can you? Yeah, guys are really we're really good at hiding.
01:14:22
Dustin Campbell
We're very good not going and checking in. And we're just really good at it. We're like the surface level stuff for grave. And so but if you have a good board, they know where we're vulnerable.
01:14:35
Dustin Campbell
They asked. And it's not easy to find that board. It's not like it's a work. It's an effort. And sometimes we've got to remove people to the board because. There's things happen. Right. And just like anything in life. So that has been really good for me to get some stable guys around me that know the idols in my life and that know they can creep where they should. Right.
01:14:59
Dustin Campbell
And also this goes back to, you know, being vulnerable to your wife and her knowing those and, and recognizing them. And, you know, but yeah, I think, you know, there was, it's in a, it was really an epiphany for me to be like, oh, good things that are blessings can be idols. Like you can treat them. You can love them more than God.
01:15:21
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah. Yeah.
01:15:21
Dustin Campbell
Like I love creation more than the creator. A lot of the times. And that's crazy to me, right? Like, it's so backwards, because we wouldn't have any of these things without him and without his providence in our life.
Gratitude and Continuous Growth
01:15:42
Dustin Campbell
So, you know, I mean, the last...
01:15:47
Dustin Campbell
you know, 10 years, and it sounds like a long time, but this time, this takes work to get out and to work through and to understand it and to process it and to put people in your life that will, you know, not be afraid to be like, dude, what's going on? What's really going on?
01:16:04
Dustin Campbell
You know? so, but, but all this started as as a, you know, I think the, the, the,
01:16:16
Dustin Campbell
the way forward and what, what the Lord has done through way forward and the exposing of real people on trail and hard things and also feeling that freedom, like this is the fruits of all that.
01:16:29
Dustin Campbell
If you continue it and keep guys around you and keep confessing what you do in life as you did on trail, like this is the fruits of that. Like there's more work to be done, right? Always.
01:16:42
Steven J. Neuner
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:16:43
Dustin Campbell
Yeah, I'm not dealing with the pornography and anxiety thing like I used to. Thank the Lord. But there's also other things.
01:16:50
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
01:16:50
Dustin Campbell
We just replace. I mean, you know, if we don't check our flash and watch it, guess what we do? We just replace it with other sin and other idols. And like, this is what you mean.
01:17:02
Dustin Campbell
Read the Bible. You know, they're hardheaded people and we're still them. So it's a continual process.
01:17:06
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
It's
01:17:08
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
a process.
01:17:09
Dustin Campbell
But I'm.
01:17:10
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Good.
01:17:12
Dustin Campbell
I'm so grateful for the identity crisis that started in 14. I thought my whole world was gone. had no idea.
01:17:20
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Yeah.
01:17:21
Dustin Campbell
Right. But that's a you know, there's a maturing process. There's a continual sanctification. And and I'm grateful for that. Right. As the iron keeps shoddering iron and it's it's it doesn't feel good, but it does.
01:17:31
Steven J. Neuner
It is.
01:17:36
Dustin Campbell
Right. When you're when you're further on in it, it's like, you know, And so I just, yeah,
01:17:44
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
good.
01:17:45
Dustin Campbell
I'm really, really grateful for it. Hey, let me stop. Let me plug my computer in before dies.
01:17:50
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Justin, what a, man, as we wrap up, I think grateful for your, your vulnerability and honesty.
01:17:57
Steven J. Neuner
Thank you.
01:17:57
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And man, I think there's, there's guys that, uh, men, women that'll listen to this.
01:17:58
Steven J. Neuner
Yes.
01:18:03
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
It's like, it's refreshing being around you is refreshing. And, it's a, it's a breath of fresh air where, how can people get in touch with you if they want to know more?
01:18:17
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
We'll, uh, We'll put that in the show notes. But wrapping up, dude, thanks for your time here.
01:18:24
Steven J. Neuner
Thank you, Dustin.
01:18:24
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Love you, brother.
01:18:26
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
Grateful for you.
01:18:26
Steven J. Neuner
Love.
01:18:27
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And thanks for just being honest on the show and giving us your time, man. May this story be a blessing to folks as they listen to you.
01:18:35
Todd Pinkston & Steven Neuner
And we'll give the opportunity to get in touch with you down below. So thank you, brother.