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Just the Boyz Catching up - Ep 104
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In this episode, the three hosts reconvene after a month of not having recorded an episode. Carlton and Connor check in with David on how the bus refurbishing is coming along and the recent trip to Arkansas. Carlton talks about his dissertation data collection, recent environmental distress in Colorado, and his recent trip to Oklahoma City. The guys close out the episode with a conversation on future episode formats and upcoming guests.
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Introduction of Episode 104
00:00:01
Speaker
You're listening to the Archaeology Podcast Network. Welcome to episode 104 of the Life and Ruins podcast, where we investigate the careers of those living in life and ruins. I am your host, Carlton Gover, and I enjoy my life and
00:00:28
Speaker
Connor John and David Howe. For tonight's episode, we don't have a guest. It's just the three of us.
Hosts Catch Up After Break
00:00:36
Speaker
I don't know why they're laughing so hard. And we're going to take this time, this episode, to kind of catch up because for those that don't know, we front loaded a lot of episodes around the time of our
00:00:53
Speaker
100th episode live show with Simon. What day did we record that? It was like mid-March, like March 12th, 13th.
00:01:01
Speaker
First off, I was laughing because you just, you just like normally come in with such energy and this time you were just NPR'd it and I just wasn't ready. It was like the exact opposite of every opening we've ever had. You guys are at least two pixels each for me. So I was just like, couldn't see your face. Yeah. Just set the tone. But yes, it's been since March 13th. So we haven't, we haven't recorded an episode in a month.
00:01:29
Speaker
And now we have to because we owe them an episode in six days.
Managing Digital Presence
00:01:35
Speaker
And so we're here Monday night on 11. Welcome to a life and ruins podcast where they're either super prepared or completely unprepared. And we're the latter tonight, dude. Can I, can I say one thing? Like who, who signs this up? Like are the life and ruins email for all this spam? Dude, it must've been one of those like otter things or like the,
00:01:59
Speaker
the hoot suite or whatever, because guys, I know it doesn't seem like I do much for the podcast, but I am Jesus on the cross for getting rid of those spam emails. I get them every day. They drive me insane. And David, it's almost Easter. Like this episode's gonna come out a day after Easter. He died for our sins, possibly. So he, I'm going for that Jesus on the cross look going low carb, you know, but here we go. I got the,
00:02:27
Speaker
Every day, those come up and I'm like, unsubscribe, unsubscribe. And they just keep coming. It's like the siege of Gondor every day in my inbox. And then you guys are like, hey, can you do the show notes? And I'm like, yeah, hang on. Let me unsubscribe from this. Then I forget what we're doing because it just ruins my day. It's a problem. It's got to be the website that we purchased or whatever would we buy.
00:02:51
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Yeah. Website.com. I think that classifies as something that's going to give you all the spam. It's a good deal. We just re-upped on the website. We probably need a facelift, but none of us have the time. Get ourselves a nose job. Yeah, a face job.
00:03:12
Speaker
That sounds weirdly sexual, whereas No's job doesn't. I can't see you guys laughing because it's just pixels. I'm not laughing. I'm just in awkward silence. Yeah, it's kind of where I thought.
00:03:28
Speaker
our audience is like, Oh God. Okay. So, but, uh, even though we haven't been recording this past month, um, we do have a lineup coming up and, uh, hopefully we can get front loaded up until over the summer times. But until then, uh, we haven't been, I guess on our, on our laurels, David, you've been going.
00:03:52
Speaker
What's happened with the
David's Bus Conversion Journey
00:03:53
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bus? Let's start there. We've had some bus movement, some bus business. Bus stuff. Bust it out. Bust it out.
00:04:02
Speaker
Here we go. All right, you guys want the long or the short? I guess we got 45 minutes. So for those of you who don't know, also just upfront, guys, if this is a first episode you're listening to, you're making a mistake. Go ahead and go through our back catalog, then figure us out. If you're new to the podcast, we often do like these little catch up episodes. Carlton, you eating with chopsticks in those pixels?
00:04:27
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My man, all right, dude, reppin' it. Okay, so you guys are seriously three pixels each. It's like in Tetris. Anyway, yeah, so I bought a bus a long time ago in like September.
00:04:42
Speaker
I was going to convert it, but I had to go to the shop because the engine just was terrible. And I was like, all right, I might as well fix it up so it doesn't die on me while I'm in it. That took five months. No, it took three months. And then I got it back and then I've been slowly stripping it out. But the neighborhood
00:04:59
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got or gave me like a little note saying, Hey, you can't park the bus in the street because it doesn't look up to code. And I was like, all right. So I have to put up my friend's house to contextualize that you live in like upper middle-class area. So it's kind of, you don't see buses that look all right, but you just don't see that on the streets where you're living currently. Right.
00:05:23
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Yeah, so you don't see the buses on the streets here, in these streets. So we got a little, not a fine, but just like a thing saying like, hey, don't park your bus here. So I brought it to a friend's house because all my other friends that were like, hey, yeah, you can park it at my house where they're like, no, you can't park it at my house. I was like, great. Glad I invested in this. So another friend who lives like 40 minutes away was like, yeah, sure. Cause I live 40 minutes away in the boondocks. And I was like, okay.
00:05:45
Speaker
parked it at his place and I've been slowly stripping it out, ready to convert it. However, a friend then showed me on Facebook, a friend from college that I hadn't met once before, so I knew him, had just converted a bus that was the exact model and the exact thing I wanted to do on the inside of it. So I was just like, okay, I'm just going to get this. So I sold my Jeep and sold that, or I'm in the process of selling that bus and then bought this one and it's completely converted.
00:06:14
Speaker
There's some updates I'm trying to add to it. Still the roof is currently leaking because I put in a fan. I thought I sealed it as best as possible, but I did not. And yeah, this past weekend I drove it to our Kansas to go to a Bushcraft meetup. I met some people. Yeah. I got a question about your original bus. Sure. Could you give us some of the riveting stories of you removing the rivets?
00:06:39
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, I see. That's not that riveting. Got it. Got it. So you went to Arkansas for... So I went to Arkansas for this bushcraft meetup and there were some people from alone, some people from Naked and Afraid. And here's the thing, when you meet somebody from Naked and Afraid and she's a woman,
00:07:03
Speaker
I didn't want to go up to her and say, hey, you're that lady from Naked and Afraid, because then it means the first time you saw her, she was naked and just an awkward thing to say. They don't have, you know. Sure. But like I'm a white male in 2020. The Venus figurines have more, have more, you know, detail than bodies on Naked and Afraid.
00:07:22
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Sure. Though there was one dude who had like an above average one and you could tell that they blurted out a lot more than the other ones and I was like, that's pretty funny. Good for him. Was it like a Budweiser tall boy just hanging there? I will say, um, I'm not going to say, uh, use your imagination. Anyway, so I was, we were talking and here's the thing though. I didn't
00:07:45
Speaker
One, I don't know what to tell people I am now because I am an archaeologist, like registered, but I don't like currently excavate or teach or do what I used to do. So when they ask, what do I do? I'm like, um, and then somebody usually like jumps in and fills it in for me. And then they were like, he's an archaeologist. And like all these people like, oh shit, you're that dude. And I was like, yeah. And I was like, that could be good or that could be bad.
00:08:10
Speaker
And I think mostly it was not great because all these guys are like primitive skills, dude. And then like, here's me. Like when the three of us talk to those people, it's like we have degrees and they don't. So there's immediately that thing of like, they know more than us because they've been doing it where we just have like the science thing. And I'm like, God, what do they think of me?
00:08:29
Speaker
But it was fun. Like I was out of my comfort zone and a guy named Rick Spicer invited me. I ended up like making friends. It was cool. And they were picking my brain about stuff. And I was like, guys, I cannot make like a fire by hand like I have before, but like, don't put me on the spot to do it. But I'll stop talking after this. I drove the bus out. I got to sleep in it. That was awesome. And like everybody was camping out and it was like 20 degrees out. And I just like walked into my bus and just slept in my bed. And I was like, well, this is weird. Uh, but.
00:08:58
Speaker
The thing itself was called the Bushwack and Rick Spicer who runs Packrat Bushcraft in Fayetteville, Arkansas. It's like a local REI type thing. It's actually pretty incredible. They do this thing called the Bushwack and he teaches like wilderness survival classes and he like teaches them how to make primitive fires, how to make shoot arrows, how to make atlatls, how to build shelters, orienteer, like medical stuff. Super cool. So what this is a challenge and there's like 30 teams, teams of three.
00:09:28
Speaker
And they have to go to these different points in the woods and like, you know, like there's a, they have to orientate, orienteer to like this one. So I find the direction, go towards it, like whatever paces. And there's a station there where they have to do archery or they have to like do field medicine on somebody. There's a zip line. They had to like make a stretcher and carry someone down this gigantic hill in the Ozarks. And then at the end, they all come back to the main amphitheater at the park. It's like in the national forest and, uh,
00:09:55
Speaker
they have to make like a primitive fire and like they get points throughout the day and if they make the primitive fire with a hand spindle it's more points than a bow drill and more points than a flint steel and it was like intense like it was like more intense than watching baseball or football to me like watching these guys like try to make a hand they were like
00:10:12
Speaker
If you've ever seen somebody make a primitive fire where you're using your two hands and rubbing the stick down, one person was doing it and it worked for them, but the other person had wetter wood, so the three of them had to in tandem swap out, cranking down on this spindle, and it was really intense to watch. I don't know how else to say it.
00:10:39
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And it was cool and like they made the fire. I'll stop talking, but it was super cool, but I was there to like give pointers and like judge the competition. And I was like, guys, I don't know anything about this. So yeah, so does that. I think I was, but I feel like when you see like on a loan or anything like that, when they, when they're doing that, like actually creating the fire through the spindle and whatnot, you're getting just like a small little glimpse of it where they're either like trying it or they're like actually getting it.
00:11:07
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started but there's like a long process in between where you just like yeah cranking down on this and having a really crappy time and Switching
Challenges in Bus Travel
00:11:16
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off and things like that. Yeah, exactly And like it does one team got it done real quick because you you could have more points if you Found one in the woods and did it or if you brought one it was less points so this one guy had brought one he made the fire like instantly and
00:11:29
Speaker
but these three dudes had found like a wet piece of wood because it had just rained in the woods and we're trying to make a fire and like it smoked and they got it down but I saw the guy's hand like bleeding from like the blisters on it and I was like this is intense and like Rick whips these dudes in the shade. It was like the Marine Gore.
00:11:47
Speaker
how they were doing it. And I thought it'd be kids like in high school, but they were like adults with kids. And like this one guy was trying to make the fire and his daughter kept coming up and she was like, daddy, like, let's go home. And he was like, get out of the way. And like, was I trying to make the fire anyway? Yeah. So that's what I've been doing. And the bus is almost done. However, I will say, as Carlton asked earlier before the show,
00:12:09
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With the current state of gas prices in the country right now, I chose the absolute worst time to have quit my job and to buy a bus that has 11 miles to the gallon, possibly 10.
00:12:27
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either 480 for a gallon or 520 a gallon, depending on which of the gas stations you went to. And I had to drive a thousand miles. It was not fun. And I was like, all right, I have some savings, I can do this. And then I was like, I'll go to Wyoming, I'll go to California, visit my cousin, I'll stay out here. Now I cannot because I went to the Ozarks for 12 hours and left. So I need to start making a lot more money or I might have to go get a job because I did not anticipate that.
00:12:57
Speaker
But I'll make a new and like, you know, I work technically have two jobs right now and then mine. So we'll see. But that's a, that's a big step getting the bus, getting a bus. It's a big step in the process. Cause I know that watching you go through and modify the current bus, it looked like it just was like super tough process and
00:13:32
Speaker
So I bought a new bus. I was like, what? Yeah, man. It was fun. There's a lot of bus life people on YouTube that teach you how to do it. And here's what I do. But there's other people where it's just more a mechanical channel. And they're like, here's how you do it. And everyone's got different ways of taking out rivets. And my dad was like, just do this. And it was the quickest, fastest way that didn't involve buying a $200 tool. And that was fun. And then, yeah, taking out less stuff. Just using an angle grinder is so fun.
00:13:45
Speaker
time intensive and all that kind of stuff.
00:14:02
Speaker
But yeah, the diesel man, it is not, I guess that's the benefit of van life because it's more compact and less gas. But like the school bus, like guys, literally everybody at the meetup was like, dude, let me see the rig. And they came in like, this is amazing. You did such a good job. And before I could say, I didn't do it. They were like, dude, like this would, I was like, I know, right? Like pretty sweet. Every gas station I went to somebody stopped and was like, yo, can I see that? And I was like,
00:14:31
Speaker
And this one lady was like, my pastor would love this. Can I take some pictures? And I was like, all right, you're not going to steal and or rape me so you can go in here. And she like went in and like took pictures. I even went into the gas station because I had to pay. And I was like, I'll be right back. Trusted this lady with my life and came back. She was a little old lady like she wasn't going anywhere and then came out and she was still in there just like ogling at the wood. And I was like, yeah, it was like six months of work, you know.
00:14:58
Speaker
Anyway, that's enough of me. I'm back home now. I just took a Klonopin. I'm full of Jack Link's beef jerky and Laquas. I'm ready to party. Good night. This is also like, we're going to pay David to put a sponsorship on the side of his bus. People love that, right? Yeah. Everywhere you went, they were eating that chub, right?
00:15:19
Speaker
Oh, oh, oh, like the, just the bus itself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, Corey Hawk got on top of it and he was like, Hey man, sorry. You're like, we're just ants crawling on your bus. And I was like, wait, there's ants on my bus. And he was like, no, like, like we're ants crying on your bus. And I was like, Oh shit. Yeah. But like everybody who goes, so if I put something on the side, like, you know, Kit Kat or
00:15:41
Speaker
What's the other what's the what's the social media company the best the new one parlor I'll put parlor on the side What's the one that they just made that like explode What is it The best steak she'll ever get something Anyway, I think we got to wrap this session up here
00:16:03
Speaker
That is my stuff. If you guys have more questions, we can answer them. If you guys have questions in the audience, you can shoot me a message or shoot the podcast a message on the Instagram or shoot us an email. I'll answer them. And if you're a person who has listened to this for the first time and you're like, what the hell is this podcast? Go ahead and send us an email because it will make our day to read it.
00:16:22
Speaker
I think the episode you want to listen to is 27. Start out on 27. That's with Dr. Robert Kelly. We're like real adults. Start out on episode 27. Go back. Continue on with this. I drank so much wine during that episode. Before we end this segment...
Carlton's Cancun Experience
00:16:40
Speaker
If you're listening on the all shows feed, stop, stop, just stop doing it. There we go. It doesn't help us like help, help us go find our show, a life in rooms podcast and subscribe and listen there. Cause we don't, we don't get anything. It doesn't help us get advertisers, sponsors, you know, Chris and Rachel, God bless them. Rachel who edits our podcast, like, you know, just please, please, please, please subscribe. And with that, we'll be right back with segment two of episode one.
00:17:09
Speaker
If I'm going to, I'm going to give the audience two seconds to guess this before you guys do. But if I were to quote fluke as a madman, help us save us. What movie is actually kids and we'll be right back with segment two. Welcome back to episode one of four. We're live in ruins podcast. We're here with our guests. Dr. Carlton gover. Um, Carlton.
00:17:31
Speaker
How are you doing? Not great, David. Not great. I'm not a doctor yet. Almost. Do you want to talk about it? What do you want to talk about? What would you tell your therapist? I'm licensed. I do believe I talked to my therapist really quickly last week when I got home.
Carlton's Research Updates
00:17:54
Speaker
I guess we're going to leave the airport cartel shooting at, or sorry, the airport shooting by the cartel that I was present at. The airport traffic sign, no problem. Yeah, we'll put that whole story in when Dr. Anderson comes back because we're going to talk about my Cancun trip from all the beautiful pyramids and the sea turtles I swam with to the cartel hit squad that, you know, did their job in front of me at the Cancun International Airport.
00:18:22
Speaker
the stampede that followed. Two days later, I had a job interview. Do you like that turnaround? How are you in times of stress? Since we did the Simon thing, even the week before we had Simon on, I was in Nebraska doing data collection.
00:18:45
Speaker
I've been spending mostly the month of March prepping my radiocarbon samples, doing near-infrared on the bone so I can estimate collagen so I know the right spot in the bones to sample from. That way I can increase my success rate. That helps because different parts of a bone will have different estimated collagen. That helps a lot, but it adds another week or two to the process because once you
00:19:11
Speaker
Like the whole process of doing that, you take a bone, you zap it three times with near infrared, you have to take a photo of it, where it's been zapped. So there's just a lot of data that you have to keep track of. And then once you get the analysis back, when you're cutting the samples, you have to have like the photo up and
00:19:29
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Where are you doing the zapping at? Or do you have a DIVA lab? So one of my colleagues, Tina Ryder, who's a PhD candidate here at CU Boulder in anthropology, she's a bio-ant. She has this mobile near infrared device that she's trained on. And so she's done analysis on all the Lynch data we did and all of my dissertation data. She's done
00:19:54
Speaker
analysis on different hominid remains, Neanderthal remains. So she's trying to build this library. Because it doesn't only do collagen, it does a bunch of other stuff, but one of the things it can do is tell you if there is residue that you couldn't see with the naked eye, so different kinds of lab material. Which is important if you're also doing dating, right? Because if you have PVA or some sort of glue, it will destroy your sample. So she's the only one, to my knowledge, who's actually building this database.
00:20:22
Speaker
It also can estimate, it can do a bunch of other stuff. She does it for free as long as she gets credit and she gets the samples for her dissertation. It's a really cool device. I was actually talking to Dr. Mackie about it a couple weeks ago because they're trying to redate a mammoth that Wyoming has. Every time they send samples, I think so. It might be Colby.
00:20:47
Speaker
And every time they said samples, they come out bad. So I was like, hey, we have this. We might be able to figure out some better places in the mammoth for you to do it. So I think they're going to get in touch. You're welcome, Wyoming. Shout out. Shout out. So that's been like most of my March. I actually got the sample sent out today, finally, because then it was the bag and it was like a bunch of stuff, but it's a three to four week turnaround time. So I know the month of May is going to be really,
00:21:13
Speaker
heavy for my disc, because I've been writing it, but it's mostly the background chapters, like the theoretical stuff, but the data analysis isn't going to start really until May, where I'm going to be doing a lot of time with Eric Robinson. Could you explain where you were cutting stuff up?
Bone Sample Collection
00:21:33
Speaker
Oh, my back 10? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I want this to be on record. I'm like, yeah, I like it. So they don't have to be in a sterile environment. It helps. So what happened was is that no one
00:21:52
Speaker
There's no fume hood at the anthropology department here at CU Boulder. There's one in a different lab, but I didn't have access to it. Dr. Taylor's getting one in, but it wasn't there. The reason why you need a fume hood is that I'm using a Dremel with the saw, with a blade.
00:22:09
Speaker
and it kicks up so much bone dust, you need to fumigate it. Also, I had 200 proof ethanol to sterilize, because I have to sterilize equipment between each sample. So you don't want to be in enclosed space. When I bought it, I actually spilled a bunch in my car without knowing it. I almost passed out in my fiesta from the fumes. I was like, oh man, I'm really lightheaded all of a sudden. And I'm like, what is that? And then I got that smell of alcohol, and I look back, and this gallon bottle of ethanol is pouring out.
00:22:38
Speaker
Officer pulled you over, he's like, you been drinking. I smell alcohol. It just sounds, what is that really high proof, like really bad alcohol? Is it clear? Ever clear. Ever clear. Yeah, that's what it smells like. But I tried doing it to Evan Pettigrew's house first because he had a garage, but there just wasn't enough space. And then I was like, I think I can turn my deck into a lab. And I did. And it was actually, I went by so quick because I was able to make the space mine and
00:23:07
Speaker
I hammered out, I think total 57 samples. That was a whole process of bagging, blah, blah, blah, checking the photographs. I was told, like Doug told me with the Dremel, he's like, you're going to break bones with it.
00:23:23
Speaker
It's okay. And I didn't want to break the bones. And then someone told me that there's like this hammer and chisel method. And for some reason I thought that was going to be much safer. Like the first scapula I hit with the hammer and chisel, it just shattered the entire shoulder blade. And I was like, Oh no. And also like when you hammer and chisel that stuff, like you're, you're likely to launch objects across the room. And so, well, the reason why I had done that is at first, what had happened was I thought I was only going to be able to get 30 samples for my dissertation based on the funding I got.
00:23:53
Speaker
Yeah. And three elk toes. It's mostly bison on the planes. And this one site that we wanted to date only had elk bones because we're trying to get AMS dates and not too charcoal because that's like the whole purpose of my dissertation, like our charcoal dates on the planes affected by old wood. So that's why I wanted the AMS dates on bone. So mostly bison. And the reason why I was trying to use the hammer and chisel method is originally I thought I can only afford 30 dates.
00:24:16
Speaker
But then after talking to UC Irvine, where I'm sending my samples to, they're like, oh, this is the price, not the price that you're thinking of. And I was like, oh, sweet. So I was able to increase my data load from 30 to 57, which is substantial. That's almost doubling what I was able to do.
00:24:35
Speaker
which also doubled the amount of shit I have to do for my dissertation in terms of summaries. Yeah, right. Nice. And, uh, so we only had, we only had 40 blades and after like the whole hammering chisel method took, cause then you have to, you know, you do that and then you have to sterilize it and I have to wait like five minutes for it to dry. So I just said, screw it. I went to his hardware and I bought like 30 more blades. And then with the drum line, just
00:25:04
Speaker
Because you have to exchange the blades after each one too. And I got a really nice... Or they'll contaminate it, right? Yeah. So I got a really nice tremble bit that it doesn't... I don't have to unscrew it every time. I basically like... It's like a push and twist so I could just drop it, toss the other blade. So yeah. And that's been data collection while I'm also writing. And then, yeah, so we did let... Yeah. And there was the whole week I was gone and Playa Del Carmen came back, job interviews.
00:25:34
Speaker
Can you describe what you see from your back door? Cause I think, I feel like something substantial just happened in the area that you're living in. Another fire. Yeah. Well, I mean, it just like, can you see remnants of the fire from your,
Impact of Local Fires
00:25:47
Speaker
from your place? So there's two fires now. So yes, the first one in January, yeah, 2022 has been amazing for me guys. Let me tell you, there's the first fire that we got evacuated from 2022.
00:25:59
Speaker
Best year on record. That burnt down a thousand houses around here. Then the cartel thing. And then while I was in Cancun, Devin Pettigrew texted me. He was like, Hey, there's another fire. And I was like, dude, I'm in, there's nothing I can do about it. Please don't text me about this. And sure enough, another fire had started, but this one was closer to Boulder. Your cat was in Texas though, right? Yes, the cat is in Texas. Okay, cool. So I wasn't worried about it. I was like, honestly, if it burns down my house with all my data,
00:26:28
Speaker
I'm just going to be a C person, like I'm done. We're going to see Carlton and Tahiti. Just to be a C person. Just so vague.
00:26:51
Speaker
That's in the punny mythology, right? No. Not at all. You're an oceanic tribe.
00:27:04
Speaker
But yeah, I can see, yeah, the whole neighborhood north of me is like burnt down dude, every time I like drive to Boulder. And so like, I'm graduating in May, right? Well, I'm graduating in the summer, but my ceremony's in May. And my mom really wanted me to host like a barbecue for my friends and family, which I'm doing. And I was like calling Broomfield, like for all the parks, like with that had barbecue pits and stuff like, Oh, sorry, it's unavailable. So sorry, it's unavailable. And it took me to like the seventh park. They're like,
00:27:30
Speaker
Oh yeah, they're all burnt down. I was like, what the, why isn't anyone told you this? Like, yeah, they, they were taken out in the Marshall fire. And I was like, you know, that makes a lot of sense. So I guess we're just holding it at my apartment's clubhouse, you know, cause it's like one, I don't have to pay for it until I'm tired of trying to, you know, whatever. Right. I think that's a hard pitch though to like, Hey, can I host this open pit barbecue in this place that just recently burnt down. And I just, just for like a reference, I grew up like,
00:28:01
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10, 20 minutes from where Carlton currently lives in Broomfield. So that was my backyard. I used to drive along that Indiana road all the time, drive by the apartments and whatnot. So it's... Have you been to my new place? It's right next to Indiana.
00:28:14
Speaker
I had a friend, friend, we talked about this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Who lived in those same sort of things. Yeah. Apartments up there. It's, it's beautiful up there. I, it turns out one of the fraternity guys from Wyoming that I mentored, he's in the office. His bill office is in the office building right next to my apartment. And it was like taking snaps one day and like, I saw my apartment there. I'm like, dude, where are you guys? I'm in my office. I'm like,
00:28:37
Speaker
Dude, I live in those apartments. He's like, well, for real. And he lives in like Cherry Creek or something. Like, is that the Reine keys? Yeah. Yeah, it is the right. Okay. Is it? Okay. Sam or Nick? Ben, you're completely on. Oh, forget there's like six of them. Yeah. There's like four Reine keys and they're all in the Sigma Phi Epsilon, Wyoming alpha.
00:28:56
Speaker
I played soccer with these kids. It's a small world. This is random stuff. Carlton and I learned about each other. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, other than that, it's today I found out that I'm the co-chair of the committee of native American relations for SAAs and that's not happy,
Carlton's New Role and Museum Visit
00:29:12
Speaker
but you know what? So that's, that's the thing now. What would that involve?
00:29:18
Speaker
Let's just say it was not planned that our chair was gonna be removed as chair and the resulting fall out. So. Did you guys get an email about being a volunteer to sweep the abstracts before they went on? Oh, I did that. Okay, I didn't, because I wasn't going. It was fine, I only had seven, then I had to do a session thing. Because of the debacle last year. Yeah, I mean I did it, I think they were due in January.
00:29:46
Speaker
So, I did it. I mean, they asked me to. I should put that in my CV. I almost forgot. And then last week, I just got back Saturday from Oklahoma City because I was asked to be an advisory member for the Oklahoma Public Archaeology Network, which Anna Goldfield from the DIRT podcast, she's one.
00:30:06
Speaker
she's up in Tulsa. So actually they picked me up from my hotel, the dirt podcast. And we went to the first Americans museum where the strategic planning meeting was being hosted. I got to see the museum, absolutely phenomenal museum. And it's really cool.
00:30:23
Speaker
Yeah, because a lot of Pawnee's were actually took play. Like they, they were part of the development team. So there's like a lot of Pawnee stuff in there, like Zach and Taylor, who we had on the podcast that there's like this Indian code talker session section. And then you can click click different tribes and it's, and you click Pawnee and it's Zach and Taylor.
00:30:41
Speaker
Oh, cool. Just talking. It was really cool. It's a fun museum, but there's no temporary exhibit now at the moment. It's mostly meeting space. There's a lot of open space, community space, and then maybe a quarter of it is actually dedicated to this really cool exhibit. It was really fun, and then had the meeting. Then I hung out with Bonnie Piplotto. She took me out to dinner with her PhD candidates.
00:31:07
Speaker
She's a tight cat. And then I spent the rest of the evening with one of the students, Delaney Cooley, and we went and checked out. She showed me around downtown OKC, and we just caught up because we haven't seen each other since. Albuquerque?
00:31:25
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ABQ. No, she was at Plains in Boulder, but I was too busy, you know, running around being host. So I didn't really hang out with anybody, especially after Ray and the other CSU grad.
00:31:40
Speaker
Kelton. Kelton. I want to say Chilton for a second. Yeah. When Ray and Kelton took me out the first night and a lot of Jagerbops. I feel really bad for Delaney because we all hung out with her in Albuquerque and she saw us in just the rarest of forms. A very rare form. And then she also saw us at me at the nuclear museum where I was going all nerdy on aircraft in the back.
00:32:06
Speaker
I sent her an email to be a guest. I sent like a email blast to a bunch of people. So we took her where we went with her to the, is it the New Mexico university, New Mexico museum. And David got that hat, right? And there's the, there's that Lucy. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Yeah.
00:32:32
Speaker
She was a witness to all of that, which is just chaos. So she listens to the podcast. So like, she sent me a text the other day when I sent her the invite from the podcast and she's like, you know, she was, she's, she's been apprehensive about coming on the show. So Delaney, I know you're listening to this cause you listen to the show. So now you have to come on because we publicly outed you.
00:32:52
Speaker
You have to talk about your archaic bison research.
Podcast Growth Reflection
00:32:59
Speaker
That was definitely a trip. You were definitely in rare form at that museum. I was in rare form the first night. That was the first time I saw the claw.
00:33:20
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Yeah. You broke your back. You're in a car accident. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got some muscle relaxers. It was wild. That was right. You were on muscle relaxers. That was like a month before the first two episodes appeared because we're coming in on this podcast started in 2019. We're slowly creeping up on our three year. Yeah. Who was I dating at that point? She said something funny. It wasn't Sandy. I know that one.
00:33:50
Speaker
Nope. Liana. Oh, that's right. I sent her a video of you at the VCA where she goes, yo, I do love planes. I think on that beautiful note, we're going to end this segment of episode 104 of a life in ruins podcast. And if you think I'm talking for 18 minutes in the next segment, you are out of your goddamn mind.
00:34:13
Speaker
Welcome back to episode 1 of 4 of A Life in Ruins podcast. We are here with us and us only. And on this segment, we are not going to talk about my life because it's... I don't know why I was at an infinite loop. I'm so sorry. Can you give me one more, Brock? I think we just need one more.
00:34:38
Speaker
We were not going to talk about my life. Everything's fine. I still work for the same company. It's rainy and cold in Seattle. Everything's good. It's convincing. But now you don't want to talk about it. We don't have to talk about it. Fine, just fine. Nothing has changed. So Ukraine, huh? So Ukraine? Yeah. We all Ukraine together?
00:35:02
Speaker
We all, we, we crane for like ice crane. Sorry. Oh my God. People keep sending me Zielinski videos and I'm like, okay, the meme is over. Well, dude, I mean, do you know how many Zielinski videos like you made? Like the Neanderthal thing one is gold, but I mean, there's going to be a, there's going to be, it's like a ripple effect. I was so upset. I was like, that was really good. Even wore the same color shirt.
00:35:29
Speaker
If you haven't seen it, what is it, on TikTok, YouTube? It's on all the platforms, but only YouTube showed it to anybody. Go check out Caveman Zelensky. Yeah, that was brilliant. There's a move to shift away from the term caveman because it's a whole lot of offense I have. Let's just use prehistoric individual. Caveperson? I think it's still not right. Cave-dweller?
00:36:02
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Oh God, we're so canceled. So connecting back to the last segment where I mentioned the fact that it's almost been three years that we've been live, three years, at that point we'll have 107 episodes I
Exploring Format Changes
00:36:18
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think out, over 250,000 downloads. So almost 100,000 downloads a year.
00:36:25
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Bonkers, thank you to my mother for listening to the 99,000 of those. My mom's with the other. My parents stopped. I think after the Revolutionary War episode, yeah, your dad absolutely stopped. That's when he realized how much of frauds we were. His job is just too busy. But we started this with, as young professionals, as young professionals, I just was in my second semester, my PhD. I hadn't even got my master's yet.
00:36:55
Speaker
And you two were a year out, Connor two years out, David you a year out from getting your master's. And it was by young professionals, for young professionals. And it's been three years. I'm finishing up my PhD this July. David has now become mobile site comer. And Connor has made no progress in his life, logistical become very proficient at ArcGIS.
00:37:32
Speaker
And also like our, our, our thoughts have, I mean, cause we've been talking about this for probably a year now. How do we engage and like these, how do we engage better with our audience? I mean, our producers, Chris and Rachel have pushed us to do stuff more like the dirt. You guys really love the episodes where we talk about a paper, both Shane and Jesse said they'd like to come on and like talk about a paper positively. And you know, they're right. We can't just like throw people in the dirt all the time. And I think, you know, me and David talked like a month and a half ago about changing kind of,
00:37:50
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negative progress in his steps in life.
00:38:02
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trying to play with different formats of the show. So it's not just like the interview and we'll still keep those, but not be so reliant and to actually get into research and talk about it. Yeah. Cause like, I think like when people listen and it's just like the same every time, like, so would you grow up where your dinosaur kid, like it's cool, but like there it's always an awkward, like little, like until they, we get to know them and then the second segment they're good. So they can just off the bat, you know, be like,
00:38:32
Speaker
No, so here's what I do. The audience, I guess I'm asking you guys, would you prefer that? Yeah. Or is the format currently fine?
00:38:40
Speaker
I think we can certainly build in different places where we don't need to have that first segment. But I enjoy, I think giving people that perspective was always our goal to start out with, right? It was young professionals and showing how they move through these career paths, even though they're not all the same. But I totally understand that having more research-based ones is, I think would be huge and more important and maybe have a bigger staying power, I think, in the future.
00:39:09
Speaker
I mean, it hasn't been interesting to see like we've had listeners reach out and like think because they can connect, you know, that first segment is a good way of connecting someone with similar experiences and they can see that, but that doesn't always happen. And I don't think we've had anyone else other than to be like, well, I would learn how to fly first and then did this, but you know, but no, I, and I enjoy the research episodes and I know what we have talked about. It's like none of us,
00:39:37
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have the mental capacity or have had it the past year to really.
00:39:42
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Yeah. On top of my research, on top of the riveting stuff David was doing with his bus and like Connor, I mean, you know, Connor, you have been busy just, you know, focusing on your life to go into a lot of soccer games and like doing a lot of extracurriculars. Right. So, I mean, you've, you have your own stuff you're doing. We just haven't had the time to be like, all right, let's do go into this paper and like really analyze it to a point that we can talk about this with authority.
00:40:09
Speaker
Yeah, because once we do the... To set up the other podcasts, like these interview ones, is a much simpler process when we basically got it down to a science. But when we want to do these research episodes, we want to come informed. We don't want to do a Revolutionary War podcast every single time.
00:40:25
Speaker
this happens. So it's finding that time and that mental power to really dive into that. I feel like as a group, we don't feel comfortable just doing that without actually putting in the effort beforehand to learn and be informed. So we're actually teaching people something.
00:40:43
Speaker
Yeah. And like Doug would kill me if he found out I was like going hard on some articles and like, and then it's not just like reading that one article. I mean, we have to look up the responses and some of the citations they pull. So it ends up being like, if we did it right, we're reading anywhere from five to 15 additional papers just to talk about the one.
00:41:03
Speaker
And then it's all of us getting together and then making an essentially 55 minute episode into three pieces on how, how do we succinctly talk about this? And like the three of us come from like wildly different backgrounds where we all come at it with a different lens. And like, how do we, so that, I mean, that's what's going on in the backend guys, like,
00:41:24
Speaker
But we've, we've heard you and we do want to do some additional things like we're hoping to have for having coming up, David Anderson, David A. Anderson from Tennessee. David G. Anderson. David G. Anderson. Stefan's coming back on.
00:41:39
Speaker
Right. Yeah. He just wrote his book. We should have him talk about it. Yeah. And he wants to, yeah, we've invited the hosts of the dirt to get on and we might do a cross episode with them because we could vampire off of their audience. Yeah. Mostly because they're awesome. Yeah. They're fun. Like medium in person was actually really fun. And then
00:42:00
Speaker
a cultural anthropologist that studies the effect of drone warfare on drone pilots. Delaney. We have six to eight, so that's what's coming down the pipeline.
00:42:14
Speaker
Yeah, and I think we're gonna try to keep, we enjoyed the live show. I hope you guys enjoyed the live show. If you didn't, please let us know. But I think that's something we'll probably do more in the future. It was very engaging being able to talk to people. I enjoyed that part of it. Oh, we should do a live show after I get my doctorate. We should. Maybe one more than an Italian airport. It was pretty loud. Or a Mexican one.
00:42:43
Speaker
Yeah, there's that too. Okay, no airports. We're just gonna cut out airports from the live streams. Yeah, no more airports. I'd also love to do one where like we just take calls from the audience. Yeah. But we'd have to like be really like, you know, put that out way ahead of time so people actually call.
00:43:04
Speaker
Yeah, or use the features that they have already within that, whatever. I can't even remember what it was called, but... That was weird, yeah. It wasn't Zencaster. Crowdcast. It was Crowdcast, yeah. You can only have four people. That was kind of a... Yeah, and I had to learn on the fly how to manage all that, so apologies. You did good, though. I mean, you did good.
00:43:28
Speaker
I mean, we had like a bunch of people registered. We had over 50 active people at one time. There was an app on the computer where we can have like telephone calls go to and which we could then play. Is this recording? And we had a very lively chat section. Thank you. Yeah. Um, I talked to Simon recently. He's doing okay. He's in, he's doing data collection in Scandinavia.
00:43:55
Speaker
Oh, so he can get out of the country? Yeah, I mean, that's why he was in Italy. Dude, come on. I thought he was going back, though. No, he escaped. Oh. I thought he was going back to Ukraine. No, no, no. He had just landed from Ukraine and Italy. That's why he was at the airport with us. Yeah, he got an exemption because I think some- The University of Turin was able to get him out. Well, there was something else that had to do with his family in the past.
00:44:19
Speaker
Yeah stuff that happened to his family So he was allowed to get out as part of the even though they have like the 18 to 43 Adult thing going on 18 to 60 1868. Yeah. Yeah, that was downer Just thinking like Molotov cocktails and stuff like dude get you oh my god
00:44:40
Speaker
It's being told on the news, like David Muir, Lester Holt's like, all right, tonight, here's how you make a Molotov cocktail for Stephen Colbert. He's like, all right, guys. Yeah. Yeah. Gas prices, Ukraine. Oh yeah. Gas prices are pretty high. And I think with the amount I put into that bus this weekend, I saved at least 200 lives. Like I'm not even joking.
00:45:07
Speaker
It's a gallon out here. Diesel's insane. It's a little wild. Literally, I could have flown to California and back twice with the amount of money I put into that bus driving.
00:45:23
Speaker
Yeah. Anyway, perspective, we're doing good here. We're not being actively bombed or invaded. So that's cool. I too, though, am proud of the podcast and how well it's, it's grown. And something that I've definitely noticed is like, and it's not through ethno really, like it's through the pot. Ethno, I get people like in other communities, I guess, but through it for a life in ruins, it's like, we are definitely like an in-between for a lot of people in the field.
Community Connections and Recognition
00:45:49
Speaker
They're like, ask Carlton, ask David, ask Connor, or ask the guys. And like, we'll put people in contact. Yeah. And I think just even like, yeah, even like when we were talking in that second segment or the first segment, there's people that we mentioned that are all connected in this kind of weird way that we all have these like intangible networks that we're creating and it's really cool. Yeah. And it's been fun to meet so many people and so many archaeologists.
00:46:15
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, it's been cool to 100%. I think like getting noticed when we have perspective archeology grad students at CU Boulder, that's been fun. And like the department is like, why, why is this a thing? Why is Carlton being known for this?
00:46:32
Speaker
Yeah. Or like having a random, I have a friend who works for the deficient wildlife up here in Washington and he took out an archeologist to go dig clams. And you know, he was talking to me like, Oh, I know this other archeologist. He did, he hosts a podcast. He's like, what, what podcast is it? A life in ruins. She's like, Oh yeah, I follow them all the time. So it's like this random corners and little pockets of the world that are listening to us. And RBS is pretty.
00:46:59
Speaker
It's, it's, it's surreal. Honestly, really surreal. Yeah. Hopefully in SA Portland, we'll be able to like, yeah. With maybe we'll see some protests and riots. Maybe maybe we'll take over city block. Maybe. Yeah. That's what I'm trying to do. That's what I meant by lit.
00:47:19
Speaker
Yeah, it's interesting because I've had several people now say, like, one, like, oh, my God, you responded. And then, like, two, like, they're like, I've heard your voice so many times on the podcast. And it's like, yeah, like, I hate myself just as much as the regular person. So like, it's OK. And like Carlton and Connor as well, you know, it's just like we're people.
00:47:39
Speaker
And it's weird to me that our voices play every Monday morning in someone's car or headphones. And with the amount of shit I've said today that we've now said cut that too.
00:47:51
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, like my coworkers listen to it. And like, what's funny is they'll ask, cause I work Tuesdays right now for my postdoc until I go full time in the summer. If I don't get a tenure checkup position, like they'll ask me about the guest, like the episode. And like, usually it's, it's like a four or five week period between when we record and when they release. So like excited to ask me about the guests and how it was. I'm like, I don't remember who came out today. There's a little bit of like a block out that happens.
00:48:19
Speaker
When you record, I think like, yeah, maybe we could go to butts or farm. Like I'm actually pretty stoked for that. That came out yesterday today, but I, and I, maybe in the summer, I got to make an audio grand port and send it to him. That was such a fun interview. I want to go make myself a sword. I think that's every.
00:48:41
Speaker
you know, middle-class white kids dream. Yeah. I'll put down the headdress for a moment and pick up my, you know, English side and get into it. Are you a crusader out there? Just yeah, just... Just think of the end of Les Mis. Putting down your headdress. It'd go connect with my British Isles ancestry.
00:49:07
Speaker
Well, thank you, thank you, thank you to Carlton, thank you to David, thank you to all the people out there listening to us. This has been an episode of a Life in Ruins podcast.
Encouraging Listener Engagement
00:49:18
Speaker
If it's the first one, go back and listen to episode 27 where we are real adults. And if you're still listening on the all shows feed, please stop. And, and, and, and, it's your favorite time of the day. Welcome to Win Beyond News. Today we ask the haunted in questions where God
00:49:38
Speaker
racism among cabbage species. If you have not already posted a review to the podcast on iTunes or Spotify, please post a review to the podcast on iTunes or Spotify. Any one of them just put a review. Also, like real talk, we owe a bunch of people stickers. And the reason why we owe you stickers is we don't actually have an address for you. And this is what happens when David ad libs a promise that we have no way of
00:50:06
Speaker
fulfilling. So if you haven't left review, please email us at a life and ruins podcast at gmail.com, screenshot the review, your name and your address, and I will have a sticker and a really nice note sent to you thanking you for all that, for what you do. But I just, I just, I have no way of finding your address off of review. So I know we're asking
00:50:30
Speaker
more of you. Let's see. Do we have any reviews? Any new reviews? I think Elise dropped us one saying that she's got five stars on Spotify. I want... How's your name? Mallory. Malone. Malone. Can you just rate it on Spotify but not review it? Maybe that's why we're not getting any. No, but let me, let me pull up iTunes real quick. I have an announcement for you guys and for everyone listening. I
00:51:00
Speaker
I'm going to be a dad. That's a really funny joke. Um, so I'm dead ass. No, you're not. No, I'm not. I was actually thinking that's what I should have said as part of my like review of my life. Like, well, max episode one, I'm a feeler of life and roots podcast. I am a father. Okay. Next. I sent my old coworkers and I was like, guys, I have some news. And then I sent this a picture of a generic culture sound from Google.
00:51:27
Speaker
And like two of them sent back emojis like with the hand covering mouth thing, cause they like legit believed it.
00:51:33
Speaker
I was like, Oh God, these are, these are good. These are good. Okay. So, uh, March 15th by Elise. I've been listening to a life in ruins since the first episode and it has been consistently fantastic. The show is funny and informative. Whether you are a professional archeologist or just someone who's interested in archeology, you have a good time. Well, thank you for listening, Elise and sticking around since the beginning. Yeah. She's been a, she's an OG fan. We should send her some swag. Yeah. We'll send you, we'll send you some swag. You just got to tell us your address and I'll, I think she's in Europe now.
00:51:59
Speaker
I will still send you a sticker and a t-shirt. Arceodunadain, you are always repping the stuff. Acaleb Welch, I saw you had a shirt the other day too. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. You're always commenting on stuff. And then Donofreolop... Freelpods? Freelpids. Recently discovered the APN and really enjoyed the interviews, discussions, and banter on life and ruins. Highly recommend for people looking to learn about archaeology from across the field. Well, thank you. Milkmandan. Milkmandan?
00:52:26
Speaker
Uh, two, three, two, wake up, babe. The boys just dropped more tankers Lee slander. Please review more papers. Hugely enjoy the boys and Dr. Miller talking to through the hope. Well, paper would love to hear other papers gone over and gone through here in closer discussion about the discussion being had as great content. Well, we plan on doing it. Thank you so much milk, man, Dan. And then I think we talked about the other one.
00:52:49
Speaker
Yeah, we've got the other one. So yeah, thank you guys. Keep leaving some more for April. We'll let you let you all know. And with that, do you guys have any, any last, last words for us? Okay. I will not have children because there's no need to populate the earth anymore than it ever will. So if you do hear me announced that I have a child, it is usually going to be a lie. And with that, we are out.
00:53:17
Speaker
Thanks for listening to a life in ruins podcast. You can follow us on Instagram and Facebook at a life in ruins podcast. And you can also email us at a life in ruins podcast at gmail.com.
00:53:27
Speaker
And remember, make sure to bring your archaeologists in from the cold and feed them beer. Well, everyone, the time has come again. You've made it through the credits and for our bonus content. Connor, what do you have for us today? I will say, because it's been four to five weeks since we last recorded, I've been accumulating these dad jokes at a ridiculous rate.
00:53:48
Speaker
so hang on guys he's putting on his his jean shorts and his uh his uh new balance he's grabbing a spatula the white sneaks are on we're gonna do this i have an addiction to break fluid but i can stop whenever i want
00:54:22
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This episode was produced by Chris Webster from his RV traveling the United States, Tristan Boyle in Scotland, Dig Tech LLC, Culturo Media, and the Archaeology Podcast Network, and was edited by Chris Webster. This has been a presentation of the Archaeology Podcast Network. Visit us on the web for show notes and other podcasts at www.archpodnet.com. Contact us at chris at archaeologypodcastnetwork.com.