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Ironman Worlds, Sub-3 Marathon & S&C | Jayson Langley on Triathlon Performance
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In this episode of The UKTriChat Podcast, Scott is joined by Jayson Langley, strength & conditioning coach, Ironman athlete, and 70.3 World Championship qualifier.
Jayson shares his journey into triathlon, from jumping straight into a full Ironman to progressing through the sport and earning a place at the 70.3 World Championships. We talk through the lessons learned along the way, including early mistakes, injuries, and how his approach to training has evolved over time.
We also dive into:
• Balancing training alongside a full-time job and family life
• The importance of structure and working with a coach
• Why strength and conditioning is often overlooked in triathlon
• How to stay consistent and avoid common training pitfalls
• His current goals, including chasing a sub-3 hour marathon
Jayson also shares his plans for the upcoming season, including middle distance racing, a return to full Ironman distance, and racing abroad.
A great episode for anyone looking to improve their training, stay consistent, and get more out of their performance in triathlon.
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Transcript
00:00:01
Scott Hill
Welcome to another episode of UK Tri-Chat, hosted by myself, Scott Hill from Tri-Wolf Triathlon Coaching. um Today we've got ah Jason on on the channel, going to talk about his journey in the sport and everything else so far. um Some of you might follow Jason already, known as IronmanJason on social media, and he likes to do a lot of these videos, incorporating funny clips and bringing his family involved in in them as well, to share the journey with him a little bit.
00:00:29
Scott Hill
Jason works for Coca-Cola. He's an ex-military veteran, both working for the the Army and the Royal Air Force. He's a strength and conditioning coach.
00:00:41
Scott Hill
He's raced in triathlon for a few years now and has actually raced at the 70.3 Ironman World Championships in the past. Currently chasing the sub three hour marathon, hopefully, and some triathlon PBs this year.
00:00:54
Scott Hill
Welcome Jason to the channel. If you want to introduce and and give a little bit background on yourself, that'd be fantastic.
00:01:01
Jayson
Thanks, Scott. Thanks for having me. And I think, well, you summed it up pretty well there. So I have done triathlon four coming on eight years this year, in fact, now. um And it's ah actually not where it started. I first did my very first triathlon and it was only one when I was 10 years old um in South Africa and I won that triathlon. So, and I always wonder if Ian Frodino was at their triathlon, because we're similar in age. So ah that would always be nice. And always try and look back to see if um it was, if I could find the list, but I could never find the list. So um yeah, that would be pretty cool if he was, um because then I could to actually beat him.
00:01:38
Jayson
um But it was my very first and last triathlon there. And then I never did one ever again. So it was in 2018 when I got back into it. After leaving the military,
00:01:50
Jayson
Like you said, that was the RAF regiment. And then I've only yeah actually been a Coca-Cola for the last two and a half years now.
00:02:02
Jayson
I've had many jobs since leaving the military. think we'll get into it a bit later, but I really struggled to get back into civilian life after leaving the military.
00:02:12
Scott Hill
Yeah, I think a lot of people do transition in. It's very different. um But noticing, you know, from your accent there, you mentioned South Africa, you have got that sort of tone to your accent, but actually yourself and your family are all from the UK. Originally, they just moved to South Africa and subsequently you moved back later in life, but you kept the accent.
00:02:32
Scott Hill
Yeah.
00:02:32
Jayson
So my dad being from Leeds brought me up as a Leeds fan.
00:02:32
Scott Hill
Yeah.
00:02:36
Jayson
So I am ah support Leeds United. a lot of um i get a lot of stick from my social media as a Leeds fan because sometimes I do post myself in my Leeds shirt. And not many people knew about that. i didn't realise until quite recently when I did have a Leeds shirt on and I got quite a bit of abuse from that one. ah But it's part and parcel of it. But also growing up in South Africa, being part... um South African as well, being a massive rugby culture and being an England fan in South Africa, it it didn't bode well um either there. So I've always supported England in both football, rugby, cricket, whatever it is. So yes, I've always seen myself as English, not South African, albeit I sound very much South African.
00:03:23
Scott Hill
Yeah, well, your roots are from the UK anyway, so it's understandable there.
00:03:26
Jayson
sigh
00:03:27
Scott Hill
um So with, ah you know, you you live in South Africa, you when you moved back to the UK, you were still relatively young and you decided to to join the military very young on.
00:03:39
Scott Hill
I understand that you've got like a longstanding history with the military from your family as well.
00:03:45
Jayson
Yeah, so my family side, of they were in the military and don't know generation-wise how many back, but it was a lot of quite a lot of them. um And that wasn't what got me into it, to be honest. It was, I don't know, something I think from just being playing playing outdoors, maybe watching too many Rambo shows. I always fancied being in the military.
00:04:11
Jayson
um And it was when I joined back then what was called the Territorial Army, ah now the Reserves, that I really got the hunger for being full-time.
00:04:22
Scott Hill
Yeah.
00:04:22
Jayson
And that's when i was, like you say, I was young enough. i was in I was in a decent job back then, but so was my wife. And we decided, well, the agreement was I could join, but it had to be the Air Force.
00:04:37
Jayson
And hence, that's why I went to the Air Force, because when I was in the TA at the time, I was in the army. So i was with the seven rifles. And then she said it's Air Force because all of her family are Air Force based.
00:04:49
Jayson
And she has a long line of ah Royal Air Force. And anyway, that's how I ended up at the RF regiment. So the compromise was I'd go the Air Force, but it had to be regiment.
00:05:03
Jayson
So that's that's how I ended up there.
00:05:04
Scott Hill
not what How did you spend in the RFM?
00:05:08
Jayson
So it was in total was four and a half years.
00:05:12
Scott Hill
Okay. So what about was that early two thousand mid 2000s? Okay. Oh, you went out there. two thousand and
00:05:17
Jayson
I left in 2012. So I was actually posted out to Cyprus. And that was my last posting, which was, i still I still to this day wonder why I ever left from being posted in Cyprus.
00:05:27
Scott Hill
ah you
00:05:33
Jayson
i actually left the military, handed in my papers from Cyprus
00:05:37
Scott Hill
yep
00:05:38
Jayson
And I cut that early.
00:05:38
Scott Hill
I've worked out there never ever been posted out there but i um everyone that I know that's been there absolutely loved it
00:05:47
Jayson
it was it It was the best. it It was a holiday on steroids, that's what it was.
00:05:54
Scott Hill
yeah I bet the family loved it
00:05:54
Jayson
and Yeah, they loved it. And the the kids were very young, so they probably didn't get to appreciate it as much as they would now. But my wife and I loved it.
00:06:03
Scott Hill
And what um what did you do in the RF then? I know you mentioned the RF regiment, but what did you get to? where did you get up to What were you sort of doing?
00:06:10
Jayson
So i i stayed as a SAC, so senior aircraftsman. Sadly, I never got promoted within the the ah RAF. I wasn't in long enough. And I think that posting to Cyprus after Afghanistan meant um I chose the easy life, shall we say, rather than chasing promotion, because it kind of it does put a pause on your career a little bit. But you know what i would I would do it again. just to go out to Cyprus. So ah i also applied whilst in Cyprus for my commission because I was going to go down the officer route and then I'd passed everything and I was that ah was actually going through with everything. And then it was at the last minute. can't even, my wife and I talk about it quite often. don't even know what it was. I think it was just we got to the the stage where
00:07:03
Jayson
I didn't want to be away from the family anymore. The kids were getting older and noticing me going away. So we just decided it was time for me to leave.
00:07:13
Scott Hill
yeah and we will you were involved in sport a lot whilst you were serving we were involved in sport when you were serving so obviously we looked
00:07:13
Jayson
Um, so I decided not to go through it all.
00:07:19
Jayson
Say that again, sorry.
00:07:23
Jayson
So do you know what I did? um The only sport I did while serving was from Cyprus, I ah trained myself for Lord Wakefields. Lord Wakefields is a boxing tournament, as you will know, but for the listeners out there, it's a boxing tournament within the RAF that you can go and do.
00:07:41
Jayson
trained myself and everyone else went on a... like a boxing camp prior to it uh i think it's at cremwell or i can't remember exactly and i went and trained myself and flew over and got to the final controversial i know that's gonna always be the case when you lose in the final but it was a controversial decision and i lost on points in the final which i should have won seeing as i broke his nose but anyway um I lost out in the final, but they did ask me to join the boxing team, um but I was based in Cyprus, it was very difficult.
00:08:16
Scott Hill
so do you think Do you think military life then, obviously you served in the the TA, the RAF, and I know you served afterwards in the TA again, but do you think that's that's shaped who you are today, your mindset, how you live your life? how I mean, ah I can say through experience that I find it very easy to still live out of a bag.
00:08:36
Jayson
Absolutely. I think that there's, I think more so even just from ah discipline's point of view, from my training, if I think from it, from triathlon training or marathon, whatever sort of training I'm doing, even work is what I learned in the military helps me with all of that. Just the discipline is like getting, doing stuff when you don't want to do it is the main thing. And I think, as you know, training for triathlon, there's a lot of those sessions. there's days when you really don't want to do it, but you know, you have to do And I think just like in the military, there were a lot of those runs or whatever tasks you had to do, just even cleaning weapons, whatever it might've been, you didn't want to do it, but you had to do it and you just got on with it.
00:09:18
Jayson
So I think that definitely helps. And then also then just, I think that discipline of always looking after your kits helps. And I think it it just gives you all of that just to appreciate, I mean, I can't fix my bike, but it it gives me, i look after everything really well.
00:09:34
Jayson
um And I think that was instilled in the military.
00:09:38
Scott Hill
yeah Yeah. So touching on what you said there, so I talk about my own experience here is A simple thing like having your own phone charger and your own laptop charger and stuff like that. I know where all my stuff is around the house and in the garage and wherever else. Quite often my kids will steal it for their own benefit to go and use themselves. And it it really gets to me. I'm like, that's my kit.
00:10:02
Scott Hill
while you Don't touch mine.
00:10:02
Jayson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:10:04
Scott Hill
i know where it is. And it it really bugs me because we we you know we get taught kit husbandry and how to look after you, stay it and you know where it is all the time, and it's in good order.
00:10:10
Jayson
yeah
00:10:14
Scott Hill
and you know you know um And I think that's, I don't know if it's an issue, but it's one thing that you get instilled with. So when you are looking after your stuff and you you want stuff and you know where it is, but our outside influence from the family who don't understand that, it really gets to me, stuff like that.
00:10:32
Jayson
I'm glad you said that because when this gets played back, going make my wife and kids listen to this so that it's not just me because even the charges, when you mentioned that other side, that's very relatable because I lose it over the charges because I know where all of mine are and they're always losing theirs.
00:10:40
Scott Hill
Yeah.
00:10:47
Scott Hill
Yeah. yeah No, no, it's funny, isn't it? um So, I mean, you touched on there leaving, you found leaving military life, civilian life quite difficult. And it's quite common we so we see and hear about this from military people at the time is that transition is very different.
00:11:03
Scott Hill
what What do you think handout things for you that you found difficult at the time?
00:11:08
Jayson
Do you know what I think now in hindsight, when if looking back, because I actually did join, I did sign back up to go back in and I was going back in. And it wasn't until the the very, i think I had a month to go to my rejoin date that I actually found a job.
00:11:24
Jayson
And then I decided that wasn't then the best way to go about things.
00:11:25
Scott Hill
Yep.
00:11:28
Jayson
But I missed ah mr the lads, you know, and I think you just... as much It was always hard because as much as I hated it at times, i loved it as well. And it's always hard to explain to civilians because...
00:11:45
Jayson
when sometimes I talk about the military and all the things and they're like, how did you ever last as long as you did? Because you always say how awful it was. I'm trying not to swear. um And then it's, you know, but on the other side, there's so many great things as well. So, and then they outweigh all those bad things.
00:12:05
Jayson
And especially that, as you'll know, like when you're out on ops as well, every single day, it's, it's the lads that pull you through.
00:12:05
Scott Hill
Yeah. mr flu
00:12:13
Jayson
And i think that in,
00:12:13
Scott Hill
there
00:12:15
Jayson
in itself. And I know as cliche as it sounds, you know, they always say you've got friends for life in the military. And, you know, my best mate is the guy that I joined up with day one, week one of basic training.
00:12:29
Jayson
And that was a lot of years ago now. It must be, well, can't even count how many years ago now. It was a lot of years, 18 years ago.
00:12:39
Scott Hill
Are they still serving?
00:12:41
Jayson
Still serving. Yeah.
00:12:42
Scott Hill
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's funny, isn't it? I mean, you do see people come and go over the years um and you do hear about the you know the transition and stuff of that. And sometimes, like you say, you almost join back up. That's quite often the case in a lot of ways. Might join up and into, might not join up in the same job, but in another job within the military. And this is one thing I say, you know, I'm still serving myself with all the people that work for me, you know, when I do what I do.
00:13:09
Scott Hill
Yes, there's times that are not great. You do things you don't want to do You get told to do things you know that you have to do. And there is a reason behind why you get told stuff like that. But I think what a lot of people don't do is when times are slack, they don't go and do things to benefit.
00:13:27
Scott Hill
They don't go and look for opportunities. Then it's always... you know, they look back and go, oh, that was shit, that was crap.
00:13:35
Jayson
Mm-hmm.
00:13:35
Scott Hill
Or there's capacity to go and do other stuff. You just need to go and find that It's not gonna fall at your feet. But some stuff like is fantastic. I mean, within my family, it's a bit of a running joke now. It's like, where are you going now? Because I'm obviously here, there and everywhere. And that's one thing I love is no day is the same in the military and you do get to do so many different random things.
00:13:57
Scott Hill
And even even the operations that i know you've been on in the past and are likewise myself, stuff that you do on them, you look back on it and think, you know what, that was good fun. was funny, isn't it?
00:14:09
Scott Hill
But yeah.
00:14:10
Jayson
Yeah. And that's, I think, that what I missed the most. But it's, you know what, it's, they they taught me lessons that I still use and apply today in in my work and job.
00:14:20
Scott Hill
Yeah. Yeah.
00:14:22
Jayson
So, and it's nice and it's great when you meet and I've got people within Coca-Cola. I've actually got a guy that works there that was in the US forces. And he was actually in Afghanistan at the same time as me. And when we met up and we were chatting, you just, you have this natural bond straight away. It's quite weird.
00:14:41
Jayson
And all the ex-servicemen, doesn't matter what part of the services they were were on, whether it's Navy, Air Force, Army, you do come together quite quickly and you just have that natural bond, which is, I don't think you get that anywhere else.
00:14:55
Jayson
Well, in fact, ah you don't get that anywhere else because work multiple companies and you you don't get it
00:14:55
Scott Hill
no
00:15:00
Scott Hill
And then do you get obviously you get the banter with that as well.
00:15:03
Jayson
And you know we do, especially being RAF regiment. So it's, um you know, if I hear five mile of death one more time. So, but you know what?
00:15:11
Scott Hill
Yeah. I'm used.
00:15:14
Jayson
That's why we're good at triathlons.
00:15:14
Scott Hill
I'm used.
00:15:16
Jayson
you know, because we've done it. so
00:15:18
Scott Hill
Yeah. So do you think do you think sport helped in that transition for you?
00:15:24
Jayson
Absolutely, yeah.
00:15:25
Scott Hill
Yeah, it's, I think you're on the same mindset as me when it comes to sport and mental health and stuff like that, as in, I, you know, i'm I'm very much one of them people that say, you know, you don't have to be an amazing sporting, you know, podium athlete, anything, you know, just go and do something, get out, getting outdoors and doing something clears your head and makes you so much better feeling personally and is in yourself. But I think you're also very productive when it goes back to doing whatever you're doing at home or when working, everything else as well. and And I do think that sport helps deal with,
00:16:04
Scott Hill
you could say problems, be that, you know, I'm not just talking military issues here, but I think people's problems in general.
00:16:07
Jayson
Absolutely.
00:16:11
Scott Hill
And I'm a massive advocate for that. and I think you're on the same way, Glen, just be there with that.
00:16:16
Jayson
Yeah, no, absolutely. I think it helps. And it doesn't even necessarily have to be sports. I think for me, it's just any exercise. Just get out there and be active.
00:16:26
Scott Hill
Yeah, yeah. I think um during COVID era, this is why dogs ended up costing so much because people are buying COVID dogs just to get out outside because they can go walk dogs and stuff. So, but they're right exercising and I think that's really positive.
00:16:38
Jayson
Yeah, absolutely.
00:16:38
Scott Hill
So now working for Coca-Cola, you've been there for a couple of years.
00:16:43
Jayson
Yeah.
00:16:43
Scott Hill
How are you finding balancing working in life, family life, social media, because that must take you a bit of time as well and training for triathlons and marathons?
00:16:54
Jayson
It's tough. Don't get me wrong. It is really tough. I think being completely truthful, it's work is obviously the number one priority because that's what pays the bill so that always takes priority for me i've got a family to look after ah but like say for me the training is the release from all of that because it is a busy job it's a high pressured job as well so it's i've got to have that release and the training is is my release from that
00:17:26
Jayson
And it's great because I get the kids involved and the wife. And I'm fortunate enough that, like like you mentioned, I'm a strength training coach. I've got a gym at the house. I do train people as well. So I've got that on top of all of that as well. and But what that does allow me to do is do a lot of my training at home, which allows me to have my wife and kids around as well. So I'm not neglecting time away from them as much as what I used to do because I do a lot lot of my training at home so they can be with me as well whilst they're exercising, which is great.
00:17:56
Jayson
And then i think most important, what I've found more recently is having that structure with a coach. you know Since I've been coached now with Triwulf, that's helped massively because what it's I've always used a program and I'm of a mindset that ah once once I start something, I'm i'm very i'm very probably from a military standpoint,
00:18:21
Jayson
days I'm very disciplined and structured in that way.
00:18:21
Scott Hill
yeah
00:18:24
Jayson
So if I see a session on there, I don't like i don't like to miss it. And i will also I will hit all the sessions that I need to do. So whether that means waking up super early or doing them super late, I'll i'll do it.
00:18:36
Jayson
but With now, sometimes before with when I was on that program, it meant like if I was going away for a weekend or in fact, what I used to do is I would probably not go away for a weekend because I have a big training session.
00:18:52
Jayson
And because I'd look at the diary and say, oh, a three-hour ride, two-hour run off the bike or whatever it might be. too much of it too much of a session to go and then do anything. I just couldn't make that up and then go into London for the day and the evening because then I've got a two-hour run the next day, so on.
00:19:10
Jayson
Since having a coach, very different in that that can be flexed. So put a note in, I want to go away this weekend, or I've got a friend coming down this weekend, or I want to do and that's those sessions are all ah adjusted. So that works quite well, because it allows me to then fit in the triathlon in and around my busy schedule, but still get the training that I feel that I need, and that I feel that I'm actually benefiting from, because that's my biggest problem as well. Because if I don't feel like I'm benefiting from the training, then stopped.
00:19:42
Jayson
wanting to add in sessions and trying and that's a mistake I made very early on in the beginning, which I'm sure we'll touch on but that's where you get injured. And that's when you start going backwards.
00:19:51
Scott Hill
Yeah.
00:19:53
Scott Hill
I think it's, um, it's really important for people to understand that 99% of us here are doing this alongside families and jobs and everything else. And it is about remaining flexible is about understanding that, you know, we don't have to sacrifice our family and everything else to fit training in. It's about making the training plan work for athletes as an individual. um 100% what you say is is that flexibility in moving around. And it's not to say that you can't hit those longer sessions. It's just maybe factoring in the way that you hit the longer sessions or changing a week around so that it works better for you as an individual that week. And and that's I think that's a really key takeaway from that. it's It's a lot of these programs out there that you can purchase that are...
00:20:42
Scott Hill
let's say you can buy, a you know, some some coaches offer these sort of things out there where you can buy a gold package or a bronze package or a silver package and, you know, what you pay depends on what you get in return. Obviously, you've got the structure of plans. You can buy at one hit. I think, you know, previous to coaching Mitrai Wolf, you had one from a very well-known platform, but it it doesn't factor in, you know, the real-time issues of,
00:21:09
Scott Hill
feeling tired getting injured family holidays uh work you know all these things that you need to factor in because they're important and as you mentioned very early on it's the job that puts the food on the table for your family not the triathlon coaching um yeah very very key take very important key takeaway and then it's um Yeah, 100%.
00:21:33
Scott Hill
Keeping communication with with your coach. And if you if if athletes need to change things, then reach out to your coach and say, look, this has come up. What do we do about it? um You know, you know i coach myself and I even had this today. An athlete actually had food poisoning last week. So it's not felt great for the last few days. And even today, not 100%. we've reduced the session and I've actually altered the week coming so that they could still achieve what they wanted to achieve.
00:22:01
Scott Hill
before their upcoming event in in a couple of weeks time. So it's, you don't get that support, I don't think from other types of programming, which is really good.
00:22:07
Jayson
not And it's really hard to, isn't it? Because they don't know, like you say, the day-to-day is going on. So what's happening? You know, like if I've got a busy week at work, which could just drop on me unexpectedly, that would impact my training. And a training program pre-bought doesn't allow for flex.
00:22:29
Scott Hill
Yeah. So your first triathlon then was, you said 10 years old, South Africa.
00:22:35
Jayson
Yeah, on a mountain bike.
00:22:36
Scott Hill
What bike were you on? Mountain bike?
00:22:39
Jayson
A mountain bike. And I remember i had fake Nike trainers because the souls fell off halfway through the run. I ended up running the rest barefoot.
00:22:51
Jayson
It was a very memorable race, um, for a lot of reasons, but yeah, it was, it was brilliant.
00:22:54
Scott Hill
Yeah.
00:22:59
Jayson
Um,
00:22:59
Scott Hill
So, you mean that's some number of years ago? So that's before the triathlon boom happened around the world.
00:23:05
Jayson
Oh, it's a lot of, yeah. So my cousin was into triathlon and he was a lot older than me. So he would have been probably at that stage, he probably was 18, 19.
00:23:18
Scott Hill
Yeah.
00:23:18
Jayson
So he was like full on into triathlons and he he got me into it.
00:23:24
Jayson
I was so used to see him training and I used to love what he was doing and I just got into it. So I went and did one and sadly was
00:23:30
Scott Hill
Yeah. Yeah.
00:23:34
Jayson
should have carried on because I'd like to say I won this triathlon and it qualified me into like the junior Johannesburg championships or something. So it was crazy, but I've still got the photo and the trophy and everything. So it was, it was brilliant.
00:23:51
Jayson
I only found it last year. Actually, I came across the photo. It's quite nice when you come across these things and think God knows what I was wearing at that stage. I'll share on my social media for everyone see.
00:24:03
Scott Hill
No, I think, well, I've got some friends i doing that been that a very long time and look at some things they're wearing is the old bikini top and swimming trunks here.
00:24:10
Jayson
It was it was the it was yeah like a speed hoop and a bikini top style thing. Yeah, that's what it was.
00:24:17
Scott Hill
You need to get up that picture on social media.
00:24:21
Jayson
So I'll put that up.
00:24:23
Scott Hill
Yeah. Cool. So obviously you didn't take up triathlon then until till later on in life. So I'm assuming this was back end of your military career.
00:24:34
Jayson
So, you know what? It was actually in Cyprus. um And I mean, you might, you probably know him because he he came from two squadrons. There was a guy um that I was in Cyprus with, Stevie Morton.
00:24:46
Scott Hill
Yeah.
00:24:46
Scott Hill
Right here. Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:46
Jayson
um and he he went and did, i think he did Lanzarote, and he was training whilst we were in Cyprus, and I was living the dream there.
00:24:51
Scott Hill
right yeah
00:24:56
Jayson
i mean, at that stage, I was still smoking and drinking, and I was just living the squaddy life, and um he was training for this Ironman, perfect condition. This is why I could kick myself now, because I lived in the perfect place to train, and I just never did.
00:25:09
Scott Hill
yeah
00:25:10
Jayson
um But anyway, and he went and did this Ironman, came back and you know what it was from that moment when he was telling me about it and yeah i remember him telling me he he pulled over halfway through the bike and had a sleep he said he was done um and he had to he literally said he had to have a sleep well he said a power nap halfway through the bike because he was done and he was a fit lad like if you know Stevie you knew i used to train with him he got me ready for pre-power I mean he was he was quick
00:25:26
Scott Hill
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:30
Scott Hill
yeah
00:25:43
Jayson
Um, and anyway, and he, he said he struggled. So I always wanted to do it as a bucket list. Um, but then one of those things I never did. And then like you say, it was from, and I mean, I've done loads of podcasts on this, but, um, it was, it was mental health. ah I got into it literally for mental health reasons.
00:26:02
Jayson
And I signed up ah in 2017. I was in South Africa on a holiday. i was at like the lowest point in my whole life. And,
00:26:13
Jayson
I signed up for Ironman UK.
00:26:15
Scott Hill
The full distance.
00:26:17
Jayson
Full distance. That was it. Straight into, was just like, I've got nothing nothing to lose here now. um And I went straight in.
00:26:27
Scott Hill
What year was that?
00:26:27
Jayson
And that was it. 2017, I did ah signed up in the September and I did it in the July of 2018. No, said never
00:26:35
Scott Hill
yeah Have you ever done it again since that race?
00:26:37
Jayson
would. i said i never would ah It was brutal.
00:26:41
Scott Hill
Actually, it was the first time.
00:26:43
Jayson
It was horrible. Um,
00:26:44
Scott Hill
broken just I did that. So I Am On UK was my first triathlon. My first triathlon was I Am On UK. And i did know I did relatively well. But I remember on on the run, i was like, what am I doing?
00:26:57
Scott Hill
um But I went back to do that race again some years later just to see if it was as bad like road conditions as I remember.
00:27:09
Scott Hill
UK road conditions are getting worse. i was out scycling yesterday
00:27:14
Jayson
They are worse.
00:27:15
Scott Hill
I was out cycling yesterday and some guy came up alongside what i say he said a guy came up a lot yeah he did come up alongside me. This guy was like in his 60s and he was a beast. and I cycled with him for probably about seven eight miles until he turned off um even he was like roads are awful absolutely like obliterated is just like pothole central um and he's someone who's cycled all his life and he's like you'll say he was in his mid-60s now um and he was just like i can't i struggle to go out on the roads now because the roads are so bad and it's a shame that our roads are like that now because it does it impacts
00:27:53
Scott Hill
not just training, but it's going to impact these sports and stuff as well. Because if people are going to these races and the road conditions are so bad, then are they going to go back if they're not rectified? And I think that's one of our struggles, think, in the UK. That's my personal opinion anyway.
00:28:08
Jayson
Yeah, i agree. And I think that's why it's so hard. Well, for me, with the fear of not wanting to sound like a snob, I don't want to race in the UK. ah especially Ironman events. Well, in fact, I said I won't race another Ironman event in the UK.
00:28:25
Scott Hill
Is that just because of road conditions?
00:28:27
Jayson
Road conditions, weather, it's just, a um you know, I think after Weymouth last year with the cancelling of the swim, that was it. I've done Weymouth five times, and of those five times, a three of the swims are cancelled, one of them reduced, and I've done one full swim, and that was it, so...
00:28:48
Scott Hill
And that race is what, later on in the year as well?
00:28:50
Jayson
September, it's too late.
00:28:52
Scott Hill
Yeah, yeah, a little bit late.
00:28:54
Jayson
It's cold. It's it's just not... that's The weather's just not... I mean, when I was lucky when I did Ironman UK. We had... don't if anyone remembers, but the 2018 summer, it was brutal hot.
00:29:08
Jayson
I mean, it was so hot.
00:29:08
Scott Hill
Yeah.
00:29:10
Jayson
So it was fortunate. I mean, they almost called that swim-off because because of the weather. There was blue algae or something in the water. so a that's what mean, you just run all these risks.
00:29:21
Scott Hill
yeah So where did you go to for racing after after the full Ironman?
00:29:22
Jayson
So,
00:29:25
Scott Hill
What did you do after that?
00:29:26
Jayson
where, so then I've just stuck That's
00:29:30
Scott Hill
Yeah.
00:29:31
Jayson
let's the um I actually did a 70.3 just before Ironman UK because I thought I better try and practice transitions and see that I can actually do this. So I did one in June in Trobshire actually with church.
00:29:51
Scott Hill
Oh, UK triathlon. Yeah, that's the next one, isn't it?
00:29:53
Jayson
Yes.
00:29:54
Scott Hill
UK triathlon, yeah.
00:29:55
Jayson
Yeah.
00:29:55
Scott Hill
Okay, that would have been
00:29:56
Jayson
So my very that was my very first triathlon.
00:30:00
Scott Hill
Alderford Lake.
00:30:01
Jayson
That was it. Lovely lake. ah I love that swim, actually.
00:30:03
Scott Hill
Yeah.
00:30:05
Jayson
um Probably one of my favorite swims, actually, in the UK, I must say. it's It's a great swim.
00:30:09
Scott Hill
So that's about three miles from where I live.
00:30:13
Jayson
Oh, okay. So, you yeah, you're lucky because that's that's a great great place to swim.
00:30:17
Scott Hill
Yeah, I actually swim somewhere different, but yeah, I know.
00:30:17
Jayson
Oh, dear. Okay. So, yeah, no, it's nice there. And but so it wasn't closed roads, but I've done that race a couple of times, actually. But that was my very first one just before Bolton.
00:30:31
Scott Hill
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:32
Jayson
So I did the 70.3 before, and then a month later went and did Bolton. And then it was, that's how found out because I had a stress fracture in my spine when I did Bolton, which I didn't realize.
00:30:46
Jayson
It was only afterwards, months afterwards when I went for a scan, I just thought I had piriformis syndrome because that's the physio told me I had until I went for a scan.
00:30:53
Scott Hill
yeah
00:30:56
Jayson
But anyway, um so that made Bolton a lot harder than it probably needed to be. um
00:31:02
Scott Hill
That makes me... Yeah.
00:31:04
Jayson
And then I just stuck to 70.3. So I went and did Weymouth for the first time that September. And then ah went and did Ironman 70.3 Florida. Then I i just started travel. I went to did a challenge event in lisbon and then i just started i realized triathlon can take you to many places um much to my wife's annoyance because every holiday became a triathlon so and it's still the case so but i loved it and they loved it they still love it to be fair they moan sometimes but um they do they love the early mornings and there's an atmosphere at these races isn't there and it's
00:31:24
Scott Hill
really
00:31:45
Jayson
something There's something special, I think, about going to an Ironman event in particular in the morning and you're having the sun come up over the water.
00:31:56
Jayson
You can feel the tension and the nerves of everyone just before race, and I think you can't beat that, for me anyway. That's that's probably, for me, the best bit of the race. It's just that morning as as ah the sun's coming up, you know you take your bike in the dark, and then you've got to get ready for your swim.
00:32:12
Jayson
You can just feel that nervous tension. Thunderstruck comes on. It's brilliant.
00:32:18
Scott Hill
I can't stand it. I hate it.
00:32:19
Jayson
Can't you? I love it.
00:32:21
Scott Hill
um absolutely hate it.
00:32:23
Jayson
oh God, I love it.
00:32:24
Scott Hill
Yeah, no, I don't. I say i wish they'd change it to something else.
00:32:28
Jayson
no.
00:32:28
Scott Hill
How is Florida?
00:32:29
Jayson
really hope they don't.
00:32:30
Scott Hill
How is Florida?
00:32:32
Jayson
Florida was amazing. So that was like my fo that not what that was my first one abroad. and it was It was good and bad at the same time because just ah like a funny old story because obviously it's very different here in the UK but I went to this Florida event and I was so nervous and i went to the the portaloos, I came out and they're belting out the national anthem at that stage and everyone's at a standstill. And I'm coming out out of this portaloos trying to get my tri-suit back on, my wetsuit back on, making all the noise in the world and everyone's at a standstill. Their caps are off. They all stood as the Americans do, you know, when they are like, of was it was awful at the time. But looking back on it, it's quite funny because everyone's just stood standing
00:33:20
Jayson
doing the anthem and there's me falling out of this port-a-loo trying to get back to the race start so it was it
00:33:26
Scott Hill
Where was the swim? Was it lake swim or sea swim there?
00:33:29
Jayson
it it was ah my first non-wetsuit swim a lake swim which was even more brutal because it i didn't realize it was going to be a non-wetsuit so i've got my wetsuits on then i had to get it off and it was it was chaos no well i hope not
00:33:34
Scott Hill
Yeah.
00:33:43
Scott Hill
Yeah, yeah. No alligators in there, though. No. That's good. But where did you go to that? Because I think you raced in the 70.3 World Champs as well. What got you there?
00:33:57
Jayson
So Weymouth got me there. So that was probably two years later. It was, i had the race of my life at Weymouth and it kind of all just came together.
00:34:10
Jayson
So it was, ah finished fifth in my age groups. I got to roll down space and I couldn't believe it, to be honest. but All I remember was when I got to the run, my wife said to me, you're in 10th place.
00:34:26
Jayson
And I was like, never, because I've never been anywhere near that.
00:34:29
Scott Hill
Yeah.
00:34:30
Jayson
And i was like, she's obviously messed that up. And then I got to lap two and she's like, you're in seventh place. And then I went on the third lap and she's like, you're in fifth place. No chance. and And enough did. I finished fifth.
00:34:45
Scott Hill
Yeah, good.
00:34:45
Jayson
Um, I wish I'd believed her because I was only like 40 seconds behind third. um And I would have dug in deep and really gone for that.
00:34:55
Jayson
But anyway, it was, ah probably couldn't have, I was, i was done.
00:34:58
Scott Hill
You never... Yeah, that's the thing. You know you never know. and And that's the thing with this. you know You can put your heart and soul into it and look back and go, I could have done that. ah you know But in reality, in hindsight, it's in the past.
00:35:11
Scott Hill
You need to keep moving forward. But fantastically, you got to go to race 70.3 World Champs. Was it in Marbella or Utah?
00:35:17
Jayson
It was in St. George, Utah. So ah you know what?
00:35:21
Scott Hill
Back the States?
00:35:22
Jayson
it It was a crazy time as well because it was obviously all just after COVID as well. So then it was you having to get jabs to go over and it was, i mean, the cost was eye-watering for a 70.3.
00:35:36
Jayson
um But you know what? When you qualify for these things, as you know, you've been to Kona. When you qualify, you're in, aren't you? You just...
00:35:48
Jayson
you have to and
00:35:48
Scott Hill
Why? Yeah. So and did you find it quite emotional?
00:35:53
Jayson
bury actually all of it, like from even just qualifying right through to, to the whole experience.
00:35:54
Scott Hill
Yeah, it is.
00:36:00
Scott Hill
Yeah, I quite often, this this is one thing I love about coaching is the fact that People put their heart soul into training and then go and do these races. And it's, it's, they are, you know, they're difficult. it takes out of your body. And when you finish them and you're absolutely exhausted, then emotions just come to the surface.
00:36:21
Scott Hill
And I've had many an athlete now that I've coached. I'm stood there on the, on the finish line waiting for them to come across and they cross and just that sudden release of emotion from them, um in happiness that you know they start crying. It doesn't matter if they're male or female, that you know the emotions come out and start crying. it i think I mentioned this before on a podcast, but it actually makes me quite emotional. and i've and i And I've stood there hugging athletes, both of us crying, because I know what they've gone through and I know that feeling.
00:36:50
Scott Hill
and And that's what think is really special about triathlon is... it doesn't matter who you are we all get that feeling um it doesn't matter you're crossing the line in you know in in the 16 or 17 hour or you're crossing the line in in nine ten hours it doesn't matter you still are giving your all and when you cross that line you just like emotion just goes um and i i quite like that and it's probably a bit soppy in it but i quite like that
00:36:57
Jayson
Mm-hmm.
00:37:16
Jayson
And that is what triathlon is about though, isn't it? Because you'd never know where you are, which is great, I think, in a lot of respects, because you know you never know what position you are. There's so many people out there, so many different age groups, and you can just give it your best.
00:37:28
Jayson
and And that's what it' been it's been.
00:37:29
Scott Hill
Yeah.
00:37:30
Jayson
It's not even the race itself. It's like you say, it's that getting you to the race. And I think that's why it was so special going to the World Champs was because it was five years of awful races,
00:37:44
Jayson
dnss I mean, I didn't finish some races. it was There was loads of things that went up to that. There was injuries in there. there was There's just loads that goes into it. And then to finally do it, because it was always a goal. so
00:38:00
Scott Hill
Is that a goal for the future?
00:38:03
Jayson
Kona's the goal for the future.
00:38:06
Scott Hill
We'd love to go.
00:38:07
Jayson
That's the ultimate, isn't it? I think anyone that does an Ironman, I think, If they're not, they're lying to themselves. That is the goal, isn't it?
00:38:17
Scott Hill
that's an expensive trip.
00:38:17
Jayson
Everyone wants to go to Kona.
00:38:19
Scott Hill
An expensive trip that is, but that is... Yeah,
00:38:23
Jayson
The kids won't be coming to that one. but
00:38:26
Scott Hill
it's yeah it's an expensive one. and It's a bit of a strange place. you know I've qualified a few times. I've actually been out there twice. And I always say it's not it's not somewhere that i feel I could live.
00:38:39
Scott Hill
but it's got like a weird energy where it just kind of, it's got little it just tugs on you a little bit. It's like, you want to come back here. Very strange. But yeah, it's it's a lovely place.
00:38:51
Scott Hill
It really is. But you know, if you get there, make most of it and really do, you know, take time to explore everything that's that Hawaii's got to offer, not just the race.
00:39:00
Jayson
Yeah, absolutely.
00:39:01
Scott Hill
Yeah, that's good. So what are you up to this year?
00:39:06
Jayson
This year is pretty busy. It actually turned out to be busier than I thought it was going to be. It was only ever going to be a couple of races and I've got a marathon in six weeks time.
00:39:19
Scott Hill
Yep.
00:39:19
Jayson
So I'm doing Newport Marathon, which is a new one. And for me anyway, and hopefully sub three there. And then I'm going to Challenge Salou, which I've always wanted to do that race.
00:39:34
Jayson
was supposed to do it in the year COVID hit, and that was the first race that was cancelled of the season when COVID hit, and I just never got around to ever getting to do it again. So I'm looking forward to going to do that one. So that was first middle distance back.
00:39:49
Jayson
Then in July, I'm going to Spain for an Ironman to do that one. That's going to be my first full distance back since Bolton. So that's going to be interesting.
00:40:00
Jayson
And I'm looking forward to that one because it's been so long since I've done one, but also I've done so much since I've done Bolton as well.
00:40:12
Jayson
So I've done lot of ultra marathons and marathons where when I did Bolton, I did it on eight months training.
00:40:12
Scott Hill
Yeah.
00:40:19
Jayson
So I went from nothing to going to Bolton. So I'm looking forward to that. to see I'm expecting a lot more than what I got out of Bolton and then I've got a an Olympic distance which is going to be interesting as well ah in Wales, spending a lot of time in Wales and Spain this year and then I'm going to ah Malaga in October that's a new Ironman 70.3 it's the new one they've just done this year
00:40:53
Scott Hill
yeah
00:40:55
Jayson
so that'll be good
00:40:55
Scott Hill
um so Sub three marathon, I know on your social media from seeing there, you were hoping to go and do the Manchester Marathon, but circumstances have changed for you in that in your home, so you just had to change it a little bit and you're now doing one.
00:41:09
Scott Hill
bit closer to home so you can manage. So the goal there the the sub three hours, hopefully.
00:41:12
Jayson
yep three years in the making that one hopefully
00:41:14
Scott Hill
That's been a target of yours for a while. um So fingers crossed.
00:41:20
Scott Hill
Fingers crossed for you there and hopefully we'll get that one. Just make sure you get them super speedy trainers on.
00:41:25
Jayson
Yeah.
00:41:26
Scott Hill
um Challenge, done a challenge race before?
00:41:30
Jayson
So I've done Challenge Lisbon back in 2019. Yeah,
00:41:36
Scott Hill
How did you find the challenge event? Is it like there's an organisation?
00:41:39
Jayson
they're good. they They really get very similar to Ironman, to be fair. That was really good. Yeah.
00:41:45
Scott Hill
So obviously we know the one social media at the minute pumping out challenge Roth pros racing at the minute. And obviously I think the Cat Matthews come on as well. Cat Matthews did one in New Zealand the weekend and she's now racing Roth as well this year.
00:42:01
Jayson
Yeah.
00:42:02
Scott Hill
she'll be on fire for that but i mean i i've only ever done one challenge event which was fish guard south wales and that water was cold um freezing like the brain freeze that was cold but yeah organization was fantastic um and then obviously off to spain for the full uh that'll be hot yeah that'll be nice and warm
00:42:16
Jayson
July, yeah.
00:42:25
Jayson
july yeah
00:42:28
Scott Hill
and then what did you say after that? the Oh, Balor. Always aim high events after Balor.
00:42:35
Jayson
Yeah.
00:42:36
Scott Hill
So that event historically was really popular and it kind of I'm not sure if it stopped for a year or two but like triathletes absolutely loved it and they wanted it back and all of sudden they come back. So it's um it's back on the scene. Always Aim High running with that one this year as well as all our other events. Those that don't know, Always Aim High are based in North Wales and they run not just triathlon events, but cycle events, run events and all sorts as well. So if you're looking for a mixture of events out there, go and have a look at the always aim what Always Aim High website and you might like find something you like. And it's really, if you get good weather in North Wales, then it's really scenic as well. It's beautiful place.
00:43:16
Scott Hill
um and then obviously the new race in the south of Spain I think someone else I coach has gone to that one as well they just been they've just moved out to Spain so they'll be there for that that'll be interesting
00:43:22
Jayson
Looking forward to that one.
00:43:30
Jayson
Yeah, it'll be a nice end of the season, I think. You know October's a nice... Because I get bored after... yeah and that's what I normally do Weymouth, because it's the end of... Kind of the end of the year, and there's a big gap between the last...
00:43:44
Jayson
Like, the end of summer and the new year, you know? So try and fit something in.
00:43:47
Scott Hill
yes I think it's really for us it's really good that you can get a race at that time of year because we can still swim in the UK almost up to that point I think September's time it starts getting a bit too chilly but we can almost bridge it if we're brave enough and then that's probably the last safe moment for us in the UK for open water swimming so that'll work really well for you there I think cool
00:43:58
Jayson
yeah
00:44:08
Jayson
yeah yeah i'm happy with that one
00:44:14
Scott Hill
Yeah. so you touched on your strength and conditioning stuff. You do that on the side. So you've got your own little gym. How how does that work? How do you manage that into your day-to-day routine and and what you doing in there?
00:44:26
Jayson
So that that works quite nicely because I've got clients that come on the weekends and either on a Saturday morning or a Sunday evening or in the evenings in the week.
00:44:39
Jayson
So I try and get my in the week sessions out the way in the morning and then let it freeze up in the evening to either be with the family after work or to to do the my my PT clients in the evening.
00:44:45
Scott Hill
Yep. Yep.
00:44:55
Jayson
And then on the weekend, like mainly on a Saturday, that's when I'm the busiest. I do them in the morning and then I train in the afternoons or early evenings. So just going to make it work. Just going to fit everything around and make it work.
00:45:13
Scott Hill
strength and condition is really important for athletes right
00:45:16
Jayson
Super important and probably one of the most neglected parts. And I'll be honest, I was victim to it myself in the beginning. You know, I just didn't do anywhere near enough.
00:45:23
Scott Hill
yeah
00:45:26
Jayson
And I think the biggest mistake that most, especially new people, but I would say a lot of seasoned athletes, is they just don't do strength training or the correct strength training.
00:45:41
Scott Hill
you think it's Do you think this is a bit of they look at a calendar or look at a program and go, well, I'm training for triathlon. That's not the important bit. ill i'll just I'll skip that and I'll just do the swim, bike and run.
00:45:53
Jayson
think I think, mean, certainly, i'll be honest with you, when I first started, I thought that was enough. I thought, you know, with the mixture of the three sports together, you' building you are building muscle, don't get me wrong, in all of those things. But you really need to build the muscle to be able to do all those three things properly as well, just for longevity, but also for performance.
00:46:14
Jayson
I think it's helped with the pros being on YouTube as well. You know, like Lucy's child has spoken a lot about it because of her injuries.
00:46:18
Scott Hill
Yeah.
00:46:23
Jayson
Lionel's done the same, you know, so you've got a lot of top tiered athletes on YouTube with a big audience talking about the importance of strength training.
00:46:35
Jayson
that That's going to help.
00:46:37
Scott Hill
Yeah, I mean, it's the glue that sticks us together that stickcks us together as well.
00:46:37
Jayson
But you still see it. They don't do it.
00:46:42
Jayson
Yeah, it is.
00:46:43
Scott Hill
and it's well when I'm good doing all this you know hard intensive running cycling swimming but we need to ensure that our body is is strong enough to take that and absorb that load so I do think it's one people one thing people look at and same with stretching you know I'm not I'm I'm not the most flexible person out there, but I might actually come from a a back injury, but I have to keep on top of my stretching to stay supple. If I don't, then kind of, everything just tightens up and ah and and protects itself.
00:47:14
Scott Hill
So i think you know stretching, strength and conditioning really important for athletes to make sure they are taking the time to do that. And it doesn't have to be loads, right? it just got to be the right stuff on a regular basis and intertwine that into everything else.
00:47:22
Jayson
not
00:47:28
Scott Hill
But I guess that's that's something you get from a proper program as well rather than something that's just from a book, right?
00:47:37
Jayson
Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong, what you can get from a book is will will be enough. And you know what, social media is great these days as well, because there's so many different videos out there that actually do help.
00:47:49
Jayson
The only caution I would give people is some of it is bit crazy from what I've seen is and be careful and I'm sure like what you'll know and know you and I've spoken about this before is be careful about who you take advice from because there's a lot of coaches out there that don't have qualifications in what they're doing so just because they are either
00:48:07
Scott Hill
Yeah.
00:48:15
Jayson
big muscular people and they're offering strength advice or whatever it might be doesn't necessarily mean they have the qualifications so just be cautious just like with triathlon coaches there's a lot of triathlon coaches out there that don't have a qualification and it's super important and I think a lot of people don't understand just why and how that is what's so important but it is just
00:48:37
Scott Hill
Yeah, I think just elaborating little bit on that, I think, you know, and I think you've hit the nail on the head there, it's we can all look at something across social media and it doesn't matter who says it, anyone can say it, but if they're saying this is what you need to do, that person watching that then goes, well, need to do that.
00:48:58
Scott Hill
And then I'll just start doing that. And then all of a sudden they'll break themselves. Yeah. but it's, you know, and a lot of people out there coaching in not just triathlon, but whatever sport they are, who are literally faking it until they make it.
00:49:11
Scott Hill
I just don't think they understand they might have really good sessions they might have great sessions that they've been given themselves because they've been coached and got an amazing result or they've learned it or you know on all these ways that they've learned stuff but it what it comes down to is that communication piece with athletes and how how things are structured i think that's what they lack when they don't go and do courses and have competencies and qualifications it's not that they don't have fantastic sessions that they've learned or been given over the years because that's
00:49:42
Scott Hill
that's the way people learn generally, but it's it's the way it's all put together and just you know making sure it is right and wrong. And yeah I don't want to give everything away, but the way you structure,
00:49:56
Scott Hill
it'll be wrong for someone to go and let's say run for four days in a row, then not run for another three days and then run four days because it just you you're doing too much in a short period and having too long period off. So it's just working stuff like that out and that that falls into all all forms of sport in general. But then with your strength and conditioning, would you say it's better to have a set program and follow that for a set period? Or would you change up every single session, do stuff differently?
00:50:30
Scott Hill
Do you kind of know where I'm going get it?
00:50:31
Jayson
I think it's a mixture because some of the people that I train online, i they want variety and that's absolutely fine. So I mix up their sessions all the time.
00:50:42
Jayson
So they they they get bored easily. So I can give them variety. So just slightly adapting the session, giving them a different exercise, that's going to target the same muscle group.
00:50:53
Jayson
But it keeps them at least entertained. Because I think that's also the problem is people get bored of training, going to the gym and just doing squats, or whatever it might be that they're doing leg presses and doing the same kind of traditional, maybe even just going there and just doing sort of your compound exercise. And for those, are just like like a back squat, as an example, and just doing loads of those because i think that's going to be the answer to it all.
00:51:20
Jayson
And people get bored of that. When reality, you can go and do a a million different exercises that will target exactly the same muscles for that. So some people want that, but then other people just like to know, this is what I need to do, and that's fine. But then you've got to make sure that you're challenging them in other ways. So you've got to be changing the weight You've got to change it to when the race season is to when that when the actual race starts, just like you would with your triathlon training. you know There's going to be a taper phase into that as well. So depending on what phase they're in, they're training as well. And this is where I think the difference is between being coached by someone and just following a program again, because you don't know what's, if you don't know what you're doing, you don't know at what stage you should be lifting.
00:52:05
Jayson
And that could have a negative impact on your race performance. It's negative impact on your body, but on your race performance. ah It do.
00:52:15
Scott Hill
Yeah. Do you think, um, what's the word phrase here? Um, you say like some, some athletes look for, they always want the change in the variety. Now for me, i'm like alarm bells. It's like, well, what, why, why do they want the variety? Um, I'm always fearful that, and i've had this in the past, where people have said, i want I want every session to be different. And what I actually found out was that people were then using them sessions to go and coach other people.
00:52:48
Jayson
I know, I guess it it's hard, isn't it? And I suppose it's ah it's a risk you take. I
00:52:57
Scott Hill
a good thing though, because at least they're showing that in some ways, well, i like what you're doing and like what you've got, but, you know.
00:53:03
Jayson
i know, and that is the risk you you do take. But I think for the most part, for me, what I've got to do to the people I train, if that's what they want, That's what i'm going to give them.
00:53:14
Jayson
And if they choose to go and do that, ultimately, you know what? That might not be, especially when it comes to strength training. And I suppose even for for you as a triathlon coach, that's not necessary. Just because it works for me doesn't mean it's going to work for you.
00:53:28
Jayson
Because for an example, I might be struggling with my glutes. you You might have strong as hell glutes and you you' your calves might be the issue.
00:53:39
Jayson
So there's no point you following the same program where I'm focusing mainly on working on my glute medius as an example where you need to work on your soleus you know what i mean so i could give you all the exercises in a world that are varied on your glutes and they're going to do nothing for you so
00:53:51
Scott Hill
more if soan now Have you been watching me in the gym working on my little calves?
00:54:03
Jayson
you know we can all do with some health and like carbs uh but it's um
00:54:08
Scott Hill
mine thanks
00:54:10
Jayson
That's the thing, you see. So, i you know what, it's I think with strength, and I think were tying it into triathlon coaching is, you know, the session that works for me is not It's not going to work for you. And I think when it comes down to like, especially power and so on, paces on the run, someone that's not trained and knows what they're doing, they're not going to know how to adjust those power zones.
00:54:34
Jayson
Now, all of a sudden you put in a two hour ride at 200 watts for someone that's just starting out or or can't hold that. What are they going to, that's going to be the worst session in the world for them. And they all even unachievable. And they think this guy doesn't know what he's doing.
00:54:49
Scott Hill
Yeah, no, I don't if I take it on a new athlete, that's never never really done triathlon before. They're relatively new. ah For me, to start with, I always, the main key for me at that point is get them into a routine of training regularly rather than coaching on power and pacing and swim, CSS, and all this stuff. And it's about getting people into the routine because it is, well, not that it's difficult, just takes a bit of planning, but to go from possibly what someone does normally into ah a routine of training is a big change in people's lives.
00:55:22
Scott Hill
So, you know, that's that's how I sort of target that very early on with with athletes is, well, let's get you into a routine first and then then we'll start to play from there. But yeah, it's really interesting.
00:55:33
Scott Hill
So um you've got some big races this year. Hopefully they all go very well. um
00:55:41
Jayson
sure I will.
00:55:42
Scott Hill
I'm sure they will. What are your long-term ambitions then? You mentioned Kona is one there, but is how long do you think that, what's that goal? Is that like a five-year goal? What do you think you've got in between that? Where would you like to qualify for Kona? Where do you think a race like that would suit you?
00:55:58
Jayson
I think because my week is disciplined so is the bike by far. I think I need, and this is where I think it's, it's hard though, because it's a double edged sword here because I need a flat course, but the trouble that you you get with the flat course is you get all the fast people. So a lot of people say this, I'm i'm not great on the bikes. I need a flat course because then I can go faster. But the trouble is people that are good on the bike, they go to a flat course. So even better on a on the flat course. So it doesn't help you.
00:56:30
Jayson
So,
00:56:30
Scott Hill
Yeah.
00:56:31
Jayson
because I always thought in my head, was like, I need to go to Barcelona and that's where I need to go and qualify. But I think reality is looking at the times because I watch them every year and they're just getting quicker and quicker.
00:56:41
Jayson
And you think there's got to be more, some of these age group at times that are coming out of there I question it.
00:56:46
Scott Hill
Yeah. you mean
00:56:48
Jayson
But yeah, but
00:56:49
Scott Hill
And the new the new selection, city like the way they select that as well has changed, isn't it? So, you know, where ah days of old when you got rolled down, all that systems changed a little bit as well. And it's not, I don't think it's as easy.
00:57:01
Scott Hill
I think, I mean, I, were i did I think, no, I don't think it is.
00:57:03
Jayson
It's not as easy now.
00:57:05
Scott Hill
I mean, I did Barcelona last year.
00:57:09
Scott Hill
And I think, like well, I did nine hours in three seconds or nine hours and five seconds. And i i didn't qualify I didn't qualify for Barcelona based off that time.
00:57:20
Scott Hill
But I was still up there within my age group. I had a great race, but it didn't qualify me based on this new system. Whereas I think the mean the previous year would have done.
00:57:28
Jayson
Nine hours.
00:57:32
Scott Hill
and But yeah.
00:57:36
Scott Hill
it's got I've got a new age to go back. Whether I will or not, don't know. Maybe. We'll see what happens.
00:57:40
Jayson
hard isn't it well i think it's it's hard to know what race i think all you can do is you know go out in any old race and just give it your best i never tactically chose weymouth to qualify for the world champs i went there to qualify but it wasn't a tactical i'm going to go to weymouth because that's the chosen race to qualify it for it was every race i'd
00:57:50
Scott Hill
Yeah. Yep. Yep.
00:58:06
Jayson
prepared for going qualifying so whatever race pops up if I choose I'll be like well that's going to be the one but it's definitely to answer your question I think it's more of a five year plan for Kona I need the kids to be older because I can't take them all with um I need to sell the house to go to Kona to four of us to go there so 70.3 without a doubt I love 70.3
00:58:25
Scott Hill
what
00:58:28
Scott Hill
was your favourite distance race distance that's good i think it's exactly think because you can you can go pretty hard all the way through can't you
00:58:40
Jayson
I don't know. just, I love that distance. I've done an Olympic distance before. I've done the full. I just, I mean, the full distance is great, but it's all also awful.
00:58:51
Jayson
um It just, it gets long, doesn't it? I think for me that it's on the bike. Well, it's normally, I've only ever done Bolton, but that second loop of the bike, I've just, I'm not ready. And every 70.3 I do, I think if I had to go again for another loop, that would destroy me.
00:59:08
Jayson
The run, I don't mind the marathon, um but it's the bike. So 70.3.
00:59:15
Scott Hill
Do you think, you mentioned the bike is your your worst discipline, but I've seen some social media posts recently about you not you're not a massive fan of the swimming pool.
00:59:15
Jayson
seventy point three
00:59:25
Scott Hill
Well, something you give a miss, but you've been it in there more recently.
00:59:26
Jayson
Oh, I hate swimming.
00:59:29
Scott Hill
You've been in there more recently.
00:59:31
Jayson
i've been I get the swims done.
00:59:33
Scott Hill
Yeah.
00:59:33
Jayson
Let's just say i get the swimming done, but I don't i don't enjoy it.
00:59:38
Scott Hill
No.
00:59:38
Jayson
I can't tell you what it ah how hard it is for me to go and get those swimmers done, but I go and get them done.
00:59:45
Scott Hill
Do you like open water swimming?
00:59:47
Jayson
I prefer open water swimming. do you know what? i um I'll be honest with you. It's...
00:59:54
Jayson
Well, my wife will say I've got anger issues, but...
00:59:54
Scott Hill
Yeah.
00:59:57
Jayson
people kill me in the swim, in the pool.
01:00:00
Scott Hill
yeah
01:00:01
Jayson
it's You've either got people doing breaststroke in the frontcourt only fast lane or it's a fast lane and it's it's not fast or not fast enough. And I'm not the fastest swimmer, but it's it's not fast.
01:00:16
Scott Hill
It's lane etiquette for me.
01:00:18
Jayson
And it's the it's the etiquette. And then there'll be people that'll just stop in the middle and then you're trying to to... It's just chaos. So...
01:00:25
Scott Hill
Yeah. um
01:00:26
Jayson
I find it so frustrating. If I could just get an open lane and just swim, I'd probably be fine.
01:00:31
Scott Hill
Yeah.
01:00:32
Jayson
But it's not.
01:00:32
Scott Hill
The staff there could manage that better, though, surely.
01:00:33
Jayson
16-year-old
01:00:35
Scott Hill
I always think this. I think you could do, like, come down. up
01:00:38
Jayson
lifeguards, they don't care.
01:00:39
Scott Hill
but Yeah. But I think they could manage it better. they Well, they care when they come and tell me you're not allowed to use fins in swimming pool.
01:00:46
Jayson
And i was going to say, they care when I whip out my camera and i want to start filming. Then they care.
01:00:51
Scott Hill
Yeah.
01:00:51
Jayson
so But yeah. it's And you're not allowed to use snorkels, apparently.
01:00:54
Scott Hill
Yeah. You're not.
01:00:57
Jayson
No, apparently not.
01:00:58
Scott Hill
No. I know up here.
01:00:59
Jayson
Unless, well, you you are if you're a female, but you're not allowed if you're a male.
01:01:04
Scott Hill
How does that work?
01:01:06
Jayson
No idea.
01:01:07
Scott Hill
Okay. So I, up here, all the swimming pools around Tropshire are owned by Serco. And they're all like, you're not allowed to use hand paddles or fins. But you can use a pool board. That's it.
01:01:18
Scott Hill
But I'm like, but these things are designed to make people better swimmers, but you can't use them in the environment that they're made for. It just baffles me.
01:01:29
Scott Hill
Totally. I get it. You know, if it was, if there was loads of people in the lane, but if you're in a lane where there's, you're just on your own or there's a couple of you and you tend to be people that swim regularly anyway. um Why can't you use these, these aids that are designed to make people better swimmers?
01:01:45
Jayson
Crazy.
01:01:46
Scott Hill
Blows my mind. um Favourite training session?
01:01:52
Jayson
I'll have a break session.
01:01:54
Scott Hill
Yeah.
01:01:55
Jayson
not after a tough bike i enjoy i enjoy enjoy enjoyed yesterday's session i did a ah two hour on on the bike and it was i'm it was 200 watts for two hours and then i hopped off and did 3k run i like those sessions because i feel strong after them and they make me that they get that they fill me with confidence
01:02:17
Scott Hill
Okay. love
01:02:22
Scott Hill
okay I'll make sure I give you some good ones then.
01:02:25
Jayson
Thanks. Gonna regret that now.
01:02:29
Scott Hill
Favourite post-race food? What would you have after race?
01:02:32
Jayson
KFC.
01:02:33
Scott Hill
Would you?
01:02:34
Jayson
I love a bucket of chicken.
01:02:36
Scott Hill
da might might
01:02:38
Jayson
I crave it. It's either that or Domino's. I don't know why. I think it's a salt or something. I just crave it bad.
01:02:44
Scott Hill
KFC? My kids and wife love a KFC. I... um I struggle after an Ironman, a full Ironman, I struggle with food. Before the race, I'll have a lot of pizza or pasta, probably pizza the day before race.
01:02:59
Jayson
ah Before? ah Before the the race.
01:03:01
Scott Hill
But um yeah, pizza is safe food, isn't it? I'm not going to and have a big slab of fish just in case, but um but you have have a pizza, you know it's safe. um post race yeah I don't know do you know what got given I felt really ill once but I was pretty ill ah someone got me a milkshake with protein powder in but I had like an ice cream in it as well a blob of ice cream it was so good um better than McDonald's milkshake amazing and it just I felt it kind of brought me back to life as well a blob of protein in a milkshake yeah beautiful I mean
01:03:28
Jayson
Where was it?
01:03:40
Scott Hill
training session you hate would it be swimming ftp i think i've seen your video what do you hate about him don't last very long it's like the shortest session
01:03:43
Jayson
FTP I hate them I I would do the run every day for a week rather than just do that one bike aye
01:04:03
Scott Hill
really
01:04:05
Jayson
I don't mind the swim test i don't mind the run test it's that bike i don't know it's just it's hurt and i'm sick afterwards and it's it's not nice i've got blurred vision it's just horrible
01:04:21
Scott Hill
Put bucket on the floor next to you.
01:04:23
Jayson
i do i literally get sick so i think that's why it's i've always i don't know if that's the point of them you just i take myself to that place
01:04:31
Scott Hill
Yeah.
01:04:34
Scott Hill
No, good. At least you put an all-in. That's what they're for, right? Do they like...
01:04:38
Jayson
And then I've got my wife with a camera there filming it and her and the kids laughing, thinking it's brilliant.
01:04:46
Scott Hill
do they like it's
01:04:46
Jayson
Because apparently I make awful noises and they think it's it's hilarious.
01:04:48
Scott Hill
it keeps them occupied what do you reckon what's your best bit of advice that you think you've been given them that you would pass on
01:04:54
Jayson
It does.
01:05:02
Jayson
When it comes to... So the best bit of advice someone told me was... stop racing in training.
01:05:09
Scott Hill
yep
01:05:10
Jayson
And that was the best advice ever did. And I think when early on, I used to treat every session as a race. So when I went for a run, it was race pace. When I went for a bike, it was race, but everything was just a race.
01:05:22
Jayson
And I just never did anything easy. It was, I was always racing.
01:05:26
Scott Hill
people a lot of people
01:05:26
Jayson
And then when you, you got to the race, you, you just, you were fatigued, weren't you?
01:05:30
Scott Hill
a a lot of people think that they should literally come off of every session dripping with sweat and you know literally crawling up the stairs for a shower um well unless live in a bunker and then crawling along the floor for shower but uh yeah i think that's lot a lot of people think i need to hurt on every session when in reality you don't um time time in the saddle or you know time on your feet and stuff at that, it plays dividends and we're working on that you know that engine and making us more fuel fuel efficient for racing. But obviously it's it's the long game, not the not short game.
01:06:08
Scott Hill
That's great. So obviously a lot of people follow you on social media. Those who aren't following you, what is where can they find you to look at you know your videos and clips and what you're doing?
01:06:19
Jayson
So it's Ironman underscore Jason with a Y in my name.
01:06:27
Scott Hill
can follow you on Instagram. You
01:06:29
Jayson
I'm on Instagram. I'm on TikTok. I'm on Facebook. I'm on YouTube. I'm on them all.
01:06:35
Scott Hill
are on.
01:06:36
Jayson
Yeah.
01:06:37
Scott Hill
And what sort of content are you putting out on the social media?
01:06:38
Jayson
I've been...
01:06:40
Scott Hill
then And there's a lot.
01:06:41
Jayson
I do a mixture. So there there is a real mixture of contents. I do offer a lot of advice on strength training. So I share, I say a lot, i'm not enough. i I will start doing more. I do share strength advice on there and videos on how to stay injury free.
01:07:00
Jayson
I share updates on my training and the work that TriWolf was doing with me and on my races when I go and do them. But then i do a lot of meme style stuff, just to try and hopefully bring a smile to people's um day. or Sometimes it's controversial. Sometimes it's not funny. Sometimes they do well and sometimes they don't. But ah for the most part, I think they receive pretty well and they make people laugh. And that's ultimately what they're there for.
01:07:36
Jayson
That's what they're there to do
01:07:37
Scott Hill
and the family love taking part in them as well
01:07:40
Jayson
I get them all involved. Not so much the kids because I share them too much on social media, but my wife definitely gets involved. um And um I probably get the most abuse from the ones I do with my wife. And finally, ironically, they all are her ideas.
01:07:56
Scott Hill
yeah so what do you
01:07:56
Jayson
So she'll come up with the idea We'll post the video and I'll get all the abuse on that video when it was her idea.
01:08:04
Jayson
So the joys of social media.
01:08:06
Scott Hill
So how do you come up with the ideas then? Do you crack open a bottle of wine, you want have a party night and no at all?
01:08:12
Jayson
Do you know what? It's just, I think it's from seeing other videos pop up and we'll put our own twist on it. It's coming up with just ideas as I sit there and think of things or she thinks of things or we should do that.
01:08:25
Jayson
And seeing other videos people have brother center stuff to say, Oh, Jason should do this. I get people send me videos. It's actually grown quite a lot over the last few months, to be honest.
01:08:40
Jayson
And I get so many videos sent to me now of people just saying, do this.
01:08:43
Scott Hill
Yeah. I know.
01:08:44
Jayson
And I've actually got quite a stash of videos that I need to get around to putting together. um which I will do eventually, but I try and build up like a, I have got a, like a block of videos ready to go. So they're not all just made up. I've got like next week's videos are all pre-made.
01:09:05
Jayson
So I'll just, I'll just, they'll just go out.
01:09:05
Scott Hill
i know
01:09:08
Jayson
I put them out at six o'clock every single morning. So it's,
01:09:11
Scott Hill
think one of my favorites was the, you drove your wife along the beach and propped you up while for swim and then she was on a bench with high five.
01:09:19
Jayson
ah When she died, yes.
01:09:21
Scott Hill
Yeah.
01:09:22
Jayson
ah so
01:09:24
Scott Hill
i fuck
01:09:24
Jayson
Yeah, we had good fun doing that one, actually. if we got some weird looks at the beach as I'm dragging her along. We got a lot of women asking us how she kept her dress up while I'm dragging her.
01:09:35
Scott Hill
ye
01:09:36
Jayson
It was weird. That's what mean. You get some weird stuff from social media.
01:09:39
Scott Hill
That's really good. It's really good, but no, keep them up. I think it does put a smile on people's faces. It's good to see. And it it shares that that side with the support and stuff as well. i think it's quite good. i like I like watching them anyway.
01:09:52
Jayson
Thanks Scott.
01:09:53
Scott Hill
That's right. No, but um I think it's been great having you on the podcast today, this evening.
01:09:59
Jayson
Thank you for having me.
01:10:00
Scott Hill
Thanks for coming. I'm wishing you all the luck in your season and your upcoming marathon.
01:10:05
Jayson
appreciate it. Thank you.
01:10:06
Scott Hill
be following that quite closely maybe we can get you on the show again after your marathon talk about that that'd be good and we could talk about highs and lows of training racing and obviously afterwards that'd be really good but no wishing you the best of luck for the rest of the season and looking forward to seeing what you do on social media and getting you back on on the podcast later on in the year
01:10:12
Jayson
Thank you.
01:10:28
Jayson
Thank you very much. I thank you for your time.
01:10:31
Scott Hill
Not problem. Thanks for everyone for for listening and on this show. You may try to host it by myself. If anyone is looking for a triathlon coach out there, try Wolf Coaching, Triathlon Coaching. We've got a couple of slots available. um Please do reach out on social media, send over a message and hopefully answer any questions that we have for you. Good luck in the rest your year.