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Speaker: Welcome to episode number 34 of the Clever Dummies podcast.
Speaker: Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker: I am the host back with the most, Lockie, joined by Nick.
Speaker: So good to chat to you, buddy.
Speaker: How are you going?
Speaker: Yeah, it's been good, man.
Speaker: Long time no chat.
Speaker: It's been a minute.
Speaker: Pretty sure we lost the last one listener that we had.
Speaker: Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker: I mean, they could still be hanging on for dear breath, but no, I reckon we'll get a few back.
Speaker: We'll get a few back.
Speaker: And I thought I lost you as a friend for a little while there too, so I'm glad that we're still going good.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, it's been a minute, right?
Speaker: I think the last one, and I was looking at the date, the published date of the last podcast, which is ironically titled Back Yet, was published in March 2022.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: You should do a post-edit say back, not yet.
Speaker: I mean, that's probably the title of this one, right?
Speaker: Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker: Now, I think we've got a good thing coming up.
Speaker: We've got a new year, obviously 2023.
Speaker: We're already 18 days deep, so that's exciting.
Speaker: But no, I think we're going to be off to a good start now, mate, but we can only take it one at a time.
Speaker: Well, that's it.
Speaker: I mean, even if we do one episode per year, that is one episode better than not doing no episodes per year, right?
Speaker: You've just got to make them slap, you know, you've got to make them slap if that's the case.
Speaker: But no, anyway, it is what it is, bro.
Speaker: And it's just good to be back on.
Speaker: You are, how's it, how's the first couple of weeks of the new year been, mate?
Speaker: Sort of same, same, but different or anything new up on the horizon?
Speaker: Do you know, actually, these past couple of weeks of this year have been absolutely incredible.
Speaker: I'm not sure if I say that every year.
Speaker: They really have been really awesome.
Speaker: I'm in great spirits.
Speaker: I feel good mentally.
Speaker: I'm in the healthiest possible place.
Speaker: Never say that, though, I think, because it can always get better.
Speaker: But I am grateful for where I am mentally, at least.
Speaker: Physically also as well going into this year, I didn't have a whole bunch of goals that I was like, I need to be a whole new person.
Speaker: I went into this year.
Speaker: I was like, you know, I feel good.
Speaker: I'm in great shape physically and mentally.
Speaker: You know, my lifts are good.
Speaker: Even at the gym, you know, finance is good.
Speaker: Career is good.
Speaker: There wasn't that much that I was like, I need to be a whole new person.
Speaker: I didn't feel that pressure this year at all.
Speaker: I felt great going into this year and I'm just like keeping the momentum of the last year.
Speaker: The very long answer of your short question is great, man.
Speaker: Well, I, I agree with that too.
Speaker: And like, that's, you know, we, and we, we don't need to be too hard on ourselves either, you know, even though we striving for more and, um, you know, wanting to level up and just, and sort of holding ourself accountable to a high standard that, you know, you probably never reached that sort of keeps you moving forward.
Speaker: But I think it's good to keep yourself grounded, um, and particularly like your own self, that's quite negative.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: And we all have that.
Speaker: I don't mean you specifically.
Speaker: And then celebrate what you have got.
Speaker: And then, yeah, we just keep working towards a little bit better.
Speaker: But I feel very much the same way.
Speaker: Like, you know, I'm still a dad and I'm still, you know, I'm still working across the board.
Speaker: I'm still doing the same sort of things that I was last year.
Speaker: But,
Speaker: I'm feeling like a little bit more optimistic that this year is just going to keep getting better and I'm going to start figuring things out, how to prioritize my energy and that sort of stuff.
Speaker: So that's probably where a lot of my focus is at the moment is putting things, you know, giving things the amount of attention that they should have, you know, not over giving in one areas and certainly not under giving in other areas.
Speaker: So maybe that's what I would say my sort of focus is at the moment.
Speaker: But everything's, yeah, bloody earth, everything's in a good place.
Speaker: I'm definitely not as shred as you are at the moment.
Speaker: So maybe that's another thing I could work on.
Speaker: But yeah, it is what it is.
Speaker: I haven't been training a lot, so I'm not upset that I don't look that good because it's not just going to magically happen.
Speaker: But my weight is good anyway.
Speaker: because I'm not drinking anymore.
Speaker: And like I'm actually quitting.
Speaker: I actually feel like I don't want to drink anymore, which is pretty cool.
Speaker: And then just eating, just being a lot smarter with my food and not using food to, yeah, as like a mental tool for comfort, which is probably a big thing for me.
Speaker: So there's another short answer to the short question.
Speaker: Well, that's it, right?
Speaker: I think that's a perfect answer, which is incredible given the last couple of years that that's the kind of mental state we're in, that it's a healthy, which is a great thing.
Speaker: And I wonder if it wasn't for the old, the plague of the nation that, well, the global, yeah, anyway, I'm not even going to talk about it.
Speaker: But if it wasn't for the old...
Speaker: old spiky bastard you know maybe we maybe we can still talk about kevin i think everyone just is over it's an obvious too but no look at our podcast on spotify they all got flagged they're all flagged because we talk about yes it's literally i think covid's in half the names as well well that is probably half the problem yeah if
Speaker: look at Spotify.
Speaker: I was looking at it and it literally says flagged as flagged, flagged or, you know, be careful for misinformation, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker: Oh, yeah.
Speaker: It's funny how easy it is to get that on like socials now as well.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: At least you can say we're on Joe Riggins level with that regard.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I got flagged.
Speaker: Well, I didn't get flagged.
Speaker: I put up a story of me lifting at the gym or something and I captioned it, like drink your water or something like that.
Speaker: I think something silly because I need a random caption for my gym selfie because what do you even say, right?
Speaker: And putting a picture up without any context is worse.
Speaker: So I just put up some random captions.
Speaker: So it said something like, don't forget to drink your water.
Speaker: And it said, check medical advice.
Speaker: I was like,
Speaker: Man, I'm just saying drink water, Ed.
Speaker: Come on.
Speaker: Oh, bro.
Speaker: It's so hectic.
Speaker: And like, do you remember the old saying of like, you know, 60, 70% of your body is water?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: like it's the oldest fact of the book.
Speaker: It's the oldest dad science, bro science fact in the book and you still get jagged.
Speaker: And like I've been learning about it this semester at uni, but like there's not like all that loose water inside your body, but the like everything from our liver tissue to like our lung, you know, the lining of our lungs are all made up of like water molecules.
Speaker: all the same like chemistry.
Speaker: So it's like literally you can not drink enough of it.
Speaker: So yeah, and it does so much good.
Speaker: So like, it's just so crazy to think that that stuff is like just getting locked in.
Speaker: But I guess they've decided that, you know, that's how they're gonna, they're gonna fight, you know, quote unquote, the problem of misinformation.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: They're just, they're late to the party, bro.
Speaker: They haven't been on freaking, they haven't been on the community notice boards for the last 10 years.
Speaker: This information has been around since the internet started.
Speaker: Like, I don't know.
Speaker: But what's interesting is... Reddit, I was thinking of Reddit.
Speaker: Reddit, you can't control Reddit.
Speaker: I think the day you start... That's the best thing about it.
Speaker: Right?
Speaker: It was really interesting, actually.
Speaker: Discord is like the new Reddit, isn't it?
Speaker: Just a little bit more encrypted.
Speaker: Well, Discord is... I mean, Reddit is a social media platform.
Speaker: Discord is more of a community-based communication platform.
Speaker: I think that's where the difference comes in.
Speaker: They do the same thing, but different media.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: I was talking about, so that kind of just quickly, before I forget this thought, I was a few weeks ago, I was talking to someone, oh no, I was reading about it on Medium again, as always.
Speaker: They're saying, if you were to think of water or hydration, think of it like as the ozone layer for your body to essentially like protect against all the dodgy stuff.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: So it keeps the, you know, it keeps you lubricated and all that kind of fun stuff.
Speaker: So maybe, I don't know.
Speaker: I thought it was cool.
Speaker: It was a cool little thing.
Speaker: It, the trends, it helps transport blood around your body, which is literally the thing that keeps you alive.
Speaker: So that's pretty good, but yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, that's not that important though.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: It's been a minute.
Speaker: All right, cool.
Speaker: So tell me what's your year looking like?
Speaker: What are you looking forward to the most?
Speaker: I know you already kind of touched on it, but maybe expand on that before we get into the groove of the podcast.
Speaker: Yeah, no, that's good.
Speaker: So yeah, we're going to have a second kid, which is very exciting.
Speaker: We found out a few months ago that Charlotte, yeah, about two months ago that Charlotte's pregnant again.
Speaker: So she's just over 16 weeks now.
Speaker: So we're looking at a rough date of arrival.
Speaker: Our packages soon would be delivered.
Speaker: Australia Post is going to get the shipment out to the 4th of July, which would be a cool day of all days.
Speaker: And Abby's birthday is on the 14th of July.
Speaker: So they're going to be pretty close together, which is really cool.
Speaker: So we find out the gender on the 14th of February.
Speaker: Let me know what you think of this.
Speaker: So Charlotte has to find out because she has to know, but I don't want her to tell me.
Speaker: Do you reckon that's like a mad idea?
Speaker: And is it going to last?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's going to last about six days, but I thought it was a great idea.
Speaker: It's a great idea.
Speaker: I love the concept of not knowing.
Speaker: I think there's something cool about it.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker: I agree.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But I totally also respect the fact that mom has to know because there's something, I mean, they have a deeper connection.
Speaker: So they must, they must know.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, I don't know what it feels like, but maybe I can imagine that it must be like a real itch that you need to scratch almost.
Speaker: You're like, I need to know kind of thing, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Because you start building the relationship like there and then, like before, you know, because they can just feel it.
Speaker: Like they can literally feel it inside of them.
Speaker: So...
Speaker: So yeah, that's going to be good.
Speaker: And when the time comes that I do, she does give it away.
Speaker: I'm not going to be upset.
Speaker: It is what it is.
Speaker: But I just feel like it'd be a mad challenge to see how long we could last.
Speaker: And yeah, so that's going to be really good.
Speaker: I'm looking at sort of keeping my jobs the same, but I'm looking at doing some more hours, going to full time for one of my jobs and then doing some less hours.
Speaker: I'm still having 100%
Speaker: figure that out, but we're probably going to move home soon.
Speaker: So, uh, it'd be good to have some full-time work to help with, with, uh, real estate.
Speaker: Even though I do more than full-time hours, it's, they sort of like that security, but that's sort of yet to be decided.
Speaker: Um, but that'll be good.
Speaker: That'll just give me the opportunity.
Speaker: And my, my, um, one thing that's really cool.
Speaker: is my calendar has never been as consistent as it is right now, like week in and week out, same things at the same time.
Speaker: So I'm just trying to make that more consistent so I can really spend more time with Abby when I need to and then fit in my gym time and just be a little less like on call, if that makes sense.
Speaker: I still, like my jobs are still requiring me to be on call because things can change at any time with the weather and also just with people.
Speaker: But yeah, to be less on call and a bit more able to, yeah, not, yeah, to be able to,
Speaker: yeah, to be able to dedicate my focus to what I'm doing at the time and not worrying about what I have to do later.
Speaker: And then in uni changes as well a little bit.
Speaker: So my degree was a Bachelor of Sports and Exercise Science.
Speaker: We're going over to a Bachelor of Clinical Exercise Physiology, which is basically pretty much the same.
Speaker: It's just a little bit more specific to the practice of exercise physiology.
Speaker: And it'll just give you that like accreditation.
Speaker: Once you graduate uni, you can go straight into that field with a few more like units that are specific to that job.
Speaker: And also like really good standing in the Australian Sports Science Accrediting Board.
Speaker: Like our uni is rated one of the highest, which is really cool.
Speaker: But yeah, they're changing the deliverance of, and I want to know what you think of this, they're changing the deliverance of the courses.
Speaker: So at the moment, it was three trimesters of 13 weeks, you know, sort of summer, autumn, winter, spring, and then over summer.
Speaker: And it's going to go to, I believe, six terms.
Speaker: So they're going to go from 13-week blocks to seven-week blocks.
Speaker: And we're going to have six of them throughout the year.
Speaker: And so they've had to restructure the units to cut out some of the fat and basically allow them to be delivered within seven weeks.
Speaker: And they're adding more units and sort of changing them, which is pretty cool.
Speaker: So it's good on the one hand that I'll be able to graduate sooner because I can just do more units over the year.
Speaker: But it also just means the seven-week block, like,
Speaker: You remember what uni was like the first couple of weeks, like you just stick around, middle semester break, you know, now it's like seven weeks, just get into it.
Speaker: So yeah, it's going to be, it's cool, but it's going to be interesting how it goes.
Speaker: That starts in March, I think.
Speaker: That sounds great.
Speaker: To be honest, I'm totally for it.
Speaker: I think that's great.
Speaker: It's about time uni is doing something to keep up with times.
Speaker: I mean, universities are, for most parts, I really... Two years, bro.
Speaker: Shouldn't have to be, yeah, four years.
Speaker: Four years.
Speaker: It doesn't make sense.
Speaker: I mean, if you've done... I've done one unit at a time.
Speaker: Like, at times, I've done one unit, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And those one unit, by the time I got to the next class, I totally, I didn't even care.
Speaker: Like I was forgot about what I learned in the last one and it was so slow.
Speaker: It was never, it was, what's interesting is I've done a couple of courses online on online education.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: And most of, well, all of those self-paced, right?
Speaker: But there was a weird, weird level of speed to it.
Speaker: And I felt like I was addicted.
Speaker: Like, if that makes sense, like I wanted to get it done.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I never got that uni.
Speaker: I was like, eh, like whatever.
Speaker: It just feels like a long-term project that's just going in the background.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And no sighting end kind of deal.
Speaker: So I am all for it.
Speaker: And I assume they're also structuring it that way because they're taking into account the whole online teaching as well, delivery.
Speaker: Yeah, and being conscious of how quickly that can get people in the workforce.
Speaker: Like obviously the four-year, you know, longer periods helps people with jobs and like life so you're able to manage.
Speaker: So you go from being able to do up to four units at once, which I never was doing.
Speaker: Like I'm part-time, so I'm doing one or two per semester.
Speaker: You can only do two at a time in the seven-week blocks, but in that 14-week period you get to do four anyway, so it adds up to be the same.
Speaker: So I'll be doing one and two.
Speaker: Yeah, so you only have to do two at once, which I think is good too because the savages that are just doing four at once, like they might not be working fresh out of high school or whatever, but it's just still too much like to actually learn it.
Speaker: So I think it's all thumbs up from here.
Speaker: So, yeah, we'll see how it goes.
Speaker: Like I think it's going to be more hectic because they're going to jam more things in because the expectation is that you have more,
Speaker: to give to that one specific unit.
Speaker: That's probably how they, you know, and we're the first year that it's happening too.
Speaker: So there might be some like, like, you know, 14 hours of lectures you have to watch each week.
Speaker: But I think it's going to be interesting.
Speaker: I think I really do think it's probably going to, they're going to cut the fat, which is good because there's a lot of fat and there's some really silly assessments and assignments you caught throughout the years.
Speaker: Like what, why am I, why?
Speaker: And you know, one of the things that I struggled with the most with the uni as well, and this was going into workforce,
Speaker: Couple of things.
Speaker: Number one, those people who become absolute savages and do four units per semester and summer school to try to get uni done in like three year flat or two and a half year flat.
Speaker: it's number one i don't know what the hell they're doing it's like bro you just turned 18 you just got permit you just you just got allowed to drive and you cannot wait to get back get to the job you can't wait to get in the industry even if you get into the industry you're gonna be so useless you're gonna take the same amount of time so might as well take your time and get a part-time job you're better off doing that i think you'll learn 10 times life experience
Speaker: And like, I did that.
Speaker: I did that route.
Speaker: And the reason I say I loved it so much, I mean, in the same amount of time, the people who... Some people end up doing double degrees and stuff.
Speaker: The people who went to uni and didn't work through a uni don't... A few steps behind me because I just started early, you know, in a way, right?
Speaker: Like if you're in nursing or if you're in these really specific industries, maybe, but I reckon for...
Speaker: 90% of people, it's definitely the way to go.
Speaker: And even for those guys, you could say it's the way to go, but they have to do like seven years.
Speaker: So it's like too much.
Speaker: But if you're just doing a general accounting degree or you're doing, you know, marketing, you're doing business, you're doing, you know, arts or communication or something, it's just like, you don't, yeah, you don't need to just go into the job at 21.
Speaker: Like you're actually better off at 25 or 26 with some life experience and, you know, like going through the shit a little bit, like totally.
Speaker: Oh, for sure.
Speaker: I mean, it's a big thing.
Speaker: I mean, I'm out just bro burnout.
Speaker: That's why people.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Burnout is a big thing.
Speaker: Also, age is a big thing.
Speaker: I've realized like people are actually, no, I don't even know about people.
Speaker: I was reluctant.
Speaker: Like I've interviewed people who are young and I just looked at them like, you're a fool.
Speaker: Like you've got answers they gave me was like, you went, you were, you were Googling before this interview, weren't you?
Speaker: Like you are how to interview for a role and giving me those answers.
Speaker: Like, I remember asking this, this particular person, I said, Hey, like, where do you see yourself in five years?
Speaker: This is what she said to me.
Speaker: She goes, uh,
Speaker: Well, she or him or whatever.
Speaker: Well, she, right?
Speaker: It was a girl.
Speaker: She said to me, she goes, in five years, I want to be climbing the ranks of this company.
Speaker: And I want to ensure that I am doing everything I can to develop into a leadership role.
Speaker: And, you know, I use my effort to drive the top line of the company and the organization.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I was like, no, absolutely no.
Speaker: That answer was so correct that it made me annoyed.
Speaker: I was like, no, absolutely not.
Speaker: Like, get out of here.
Speaker: just have a conversation.
Speaker: Like, tell me what you want to, like I said, five years.
Speaker: I had no boundaries as well.
Speaker: I was like, five years, what do you want to see?
Speaker: Where do you want to see yourself in five years?
Speaker: Or she could have said, I'm going to be married and have two kids.
Speaker: I would have been like, okay, well, that's fair.
Speaker: You know, if she said, oh, you know, I'm not sure.
Speaker: I want to see where life goes.
Speaker: I want to see how this job goes.
Speaker: I would be like, great.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: You sound curious about life.
Speaker: Let's see what happens.
Speaker: She gave me the answer that she thought I wanted to hear.
Speaker: I did not want to hear that.
Speaker: Absolutely.
Speaker: And she was so annoying.
Speaker: I just instantly thought, I was like, she's going to be annoying.
Speaker: I'm not going to hire.
Speaker: Like,
Speaker: You know, that was actually a thing.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Um, and, and she, I totally get that.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And she had like her, her GPA on her cover letter and everything.
Speaker: I was like, ah,
Speaker: No.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: You need to go.
Speaker: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So it's really interesting.
Speaker: Was it a good GPA though?
Speaker: It was a good GPA.
Speaker: I think she had like a flat five GPA or something like that.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But that was the thing though.
Speaker: That was the thing.
Speaker: Like I didn't like when I was, when I was talking to her, I didn't feel like I was talking to someone who's a real person, like with someone who empathized with people, someone who got the game, right?
Speaker: Like, but I just felt like she read about the game and she was regurgitating words.
Speaker: That's what I, that's what I felt.
Speaker: her resume was well styled no mistakes her cover letter was flawless looked like it was written it was from out of uh you know those example ones which probably it was right so yeah yep it and i was just like no i just don't feel good about her like and i keep thinking about it i was like why didn't i hire her and then i finally realized it was just so boring
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So I reckon it depends on what the role is, but like, you know, if you need to be like, if you're doing like high level data analytics, like you want to be able to crunch numbers correctly and then have a good score, you know, at your accounting exams.
Speaker: But like, if it's a general role or an entry level role, like two years,
Speaker: you know, a great GPA or two years experience like working events at a, you know, at a festival or like two years working at a bar or two years like working at a coffee shop, like that would be stuff that would be like, oh, what did you learn about that job?
Speaker: Not like, you know, how did you fit all your, how did you do good in your exams or you just studied?
Speaker: Like, you know, there's definitely a skill and there's some discipline involved with that too.
Speaker: But like that real world stuff is just beyond.
Speaker: And some good advice someone gave me too as well is like,
Speaker: to not put all your jobs, particularly if you've had a few jobs to not put all of them on your resume.
Speaker: Cause then it looks like you just bounce around too.
Speaker: So it's like finding the happy medium and yeah.
Speaker: Also.
Speaker: And like, to be honest, and this is cause I work in, in essentially it's like the highest in a way it's sales, but it's like high end of sales, right.
Speaker: Uh, where it's more so like you go and shake hands and you go, okay, that sounds great.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Handshaking part.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And like making sure people are good.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: So it's kind of,
Speaker: sort of sales but most of the time it's not like the sales you'd imagine right and i want to be really clear on that because whenever someone says sales people imagine like someone in a suit going on knocking like please or like oh let me tell you 300 395 discount it's like none of that but right but it's sales right and i realized something about sales right you know who would be really good at sales and like high-end sales or actual sales
Speaker: A barista.
Speaker: God damn.
Speaker: Like it's a real sale, especially when we talk about like high-end sales, when we're talking about, you know, dealing with big companies, like let's imagine, say you were talking to Apple, right?
Speaker: You don't have to go tell them, I'll give you a discount of $3.95 if you buy today.
Speaker: There's none of that.
Speaker: It's more so...
Speaker: It's more so like have a conversation with them.
Speaker: It's mostly a conversation.
Speaker: If you're a likable person, they're like, I want to deal with this person because when the shit gets tough, I want to talk to this person.
Speaker: I don't want to talk to someone who will say, you know, buy this, that for $3.95.
Speaker: You know, old sell me that pen.
Speaker: It's...
Speaker: It's a cool concept in theory, but real sales is all about listening and relationship.
Speaker: Like how do you make the other person feel?
Speaker: Feelings, yeah.
Speaker: It's about...
Speaker: it's always about how other people feel about you, how they feel about themselves.
Speaker: Like if I'm selling you, you know, when I buy, when I buy a Google phone, I'm not buying a Google phone because I like Google.
Speaker: I want a Google phone.
Speaker: I'm buying Google phone because it makes me think I'm better than all the Apple users.
Speaker: Sorry, no offense.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But I was just explaining like what, what goes in my head.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: So I'm like, Oh, I'm better than all the Apple users because I have a Google because I'm cool like that.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: That's what I'm buying.
Speaker: I'm not buying,
Speaker: because of Google phone.
Speaker: Otherwise, I would just buy Apple, right?
Speaker: And in saying that, again, like when I'm buying, I've been considering buying an Apple.
Speaker: The only reason I'm considering buying an Apple is because everyone I talk to, they're like, oh, just FaceTime.
Speaker: You want to FaceTime?
Speaker: I'm like, no.
Speaker: And I feel really shitty about that.
Speaker: So again, it's about feeling as well.
Speaker: So Apple did really good without having the monopoly on it.
Speaker: So they're like...
Speaker: Now I want, I need to buy it.
Speaker: It's not that I even want to.
Speaker: Yeah, totally.
Speaker: You're forced, you're almost like you're, yeah, you're being pressured peer as well.
Speaker: For a while I had an iPad and still had a Samsung and I felt like the iPad was a good gateway into the, into the dark side, but it's funny how defensive and how like protective people get of like their phones and what system they use and which one's better.
Speaker: Like, like it's just goes to show how, how major of a influence it is on people's lives.
Speaker: I,
Speaker: Oh, for sure.
Speaker: I totally get that.
Speaker: I mean, but Apple is a super ninja company, right?
Speaker: They came up with a genius plan.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Basically on the monopoly on phone services, right?
Speaker: All apps are practically designed for Apple, right?
Speaker: You used to have a Samsung.
Speaker: Well, you haven't had a Samsung in a while.
Speaker: I still use Charlotte's phone like every day, so I know...
Speaker: But can you see the difference on how apps work on a Samsung and how they work on Apple?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Because they're built for Apple.
Speaker: I keep thinking that she's on the mobile website.
Speaker: Like sometimes I just go like... Yeah.
Speaker: It's so true.
Speaker: It's, I mean, Apple just has the monopoly on phones.
Speaker: I mean, and then on top of that, they give you this seamless, seamless operation among the board.
Speaker: Like, I mean, I have a Google Watch, right?
Speaker: And it's not as good as the Apple Watch.
Speaker: I fully admit it, right?
Speaker: Because Apple Watch is like tracks your phone.
Speaker: If you have the watch on, it doesn't lock your phone.
Speaker: It unlocks your phone automatically.
Speaker: It does all these beautiful things.
Speaker: And then you get your computer, phone, watch all syncing together.
Speaker: It just works nicely, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And it's just not the same.
Speaker: Well, the Google Watch is a bit more like a real old-fashioned watch.
Speaker: Like it's got – you can do as much as you want, but it's sort of –
Speaker: There's like a separation there with Apple Watches.
Speaker: Just like, bro, we basically want to turn this into a phone one day.
Speaker: Like that's it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: The tech is there for us to make it cheap enough.
Speaker: So it's really incredible because they managed to achieve all this.
Speaker: I think Samsung or Google, Android, like I think they've decided to not follow Apple in that regard.
Speaker: Like they've decided to, you know, keep it like a watch, like which I think is pretty admirable.
Speaker: It's pretty cool too.
Speaker: And they've gone the fitness route.
Speaker: Like that's their marketing.
Speaker: It seems to be like the Fitbit style.
Speaker: Like that's sort of what they promote a bit more than.
Speaker: Like you can still pull on everything, but like, yeah, when I see the ads, I don't see as much of the, as much of the phone integration as I do with Apple.
Speaker: Yeah, Apple does it great.
Speaker: And I mean, I have to use a PC for my work.
Speaker: But if I could, that's the last string that's holding me together because the moment I can switch to a work computer, which is a Mac, I'll be like, screw it, I'm going full back right now.
Speaker: It's all over, yeah.
Speaker: It's all over, right?
Speaker: Because that means I can do a work computer that's Apple.
Speaker: I can do a mobile watch, all that.
Speaker: And that's what's good.
Speaker: Where Android, there's no computers of Androids.
Speaker: I mean, Google has their...
Speaker: but they're nothing nearly as good as Apple, right?
Speaker: So I see, I finally see the point.
Speaker: Like they just made it impossible for you not to give in.
Speaker: I will say Google Maps is still better than Apple Maps.
Speaker: Apple Maps is shit.
Speaker: But you know what's interesting though?
Speaker: And this is one of my biggest problem with switching to iPhone was the photos, like photos and video backup and cloud storage.
Speaker: Apple has a really expensive cloud storage solution compared to Google.
Speaker: And the good thing before iCloud was as good, Google Drive was like years ahead of iCloud, right?
Speaker: I've got maybe a couple of terabytes of data on my Google Drive.
Speaker: My photos dating back to 2009.
Speaker: There's no way I can move that anymore, right?
Speaker: So I'm stuck with Google.
Speaker: Yeah, Charlotte's doing the same thing.
Speaker: I think it's kind of good.
Speaker: It's good, yeah.
Speaker: over the past few years, Google has worked on making that integration better with Apple.
Speaker: So now I can use the whole Google universe on Google, on Apple seamlessly as well.
Speaker: So which now even takes away the broker.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But now just, just, it's just the PC that's holding me.
Speaker: It was like, Oh, as soon as I get rid of this computer, I'm done.
Speaker: Like I'm out.
Speaker: That'd be a thing.
Speaker: And then you'll be, you'll have a phone in a couple of years.
Speaker: You're sorry.
Speaker: You'll have an Apple car in a couple of years.
Speaker: We'll be off to the races.
Speaker: We're so close to getting like in Australia we'll be 30 years behind.
Speaker: But with the recent big whole drama about how much fuel and stuff costs overseas and all the different price hikes going up, they're pushing the electric cars so hard, which I think is a good thing.
Speaker: I'm excited for it.
Speaker: But it's also like when it's like forced on you like that, like it doesn't make me feel so comfortable.
Speaker: I hate it.
Speaker: I absolutely hate it.
Speaker: I don't want electric cars.
Speaker: I think electric cars are stupid.
Speaker: I'll stop there.
Speaker: But I hate electric cars.
Speaker: I want to feel the engine.
Speaker: I want to feel that rev.
Speaker: I want the clutch in.
Speaker: No, I agree.
Speaker: I agree for sure.
Speaker: I want that rev.
Speaker: I want that power, you know.
Speaker: For sure.
Speaker: I want to kill a couple of pandas while I'm at it.
Speaker: Like doing, having both is good, but yeah, like the fact that it's like, and if one is more efficient, it's going to happen where like one will go, but like when it's like, all right, you're going to have to use electric and this is all like future talk that who knows how real it's going to be and how difficult it is to actually sustain, you know, billions of cars every year being built in electric.
Speaker: Like they had the PlayStation five had some difficulty in that.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I went to Singapore in November for a week.
Speaker: And Singapore has maybe 2% to 3% cars.
Speaker: They are still combustion engine cars.
Speaker: The rest of them are all electric or hybrid at the bare minimum.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I would say maybe 10% cars are hybrid.
Speaker: Actually, yeah, a lot of them probably are hybrid, maybe 20, 30% hybrid, 70%, 60%, 60%.
Speaker: Full electric.
Speaker: Full electric, yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, gotcha.
Speaker: They've switched majorly.
Speaker: Like they've got, I mean, they can do it.
Speaker: Yeah, they're quick with it, eh?
Speaker: They're quick with it, yeah.
Speaker: So seeing that, I mean, Australia has got no hope in anything.
Speaker: I mean, Australia is so far behind in every sense.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It just makes sense.
Speaker: But we'll see what happens, right?
Speaker: We're lucky because we're so far away that we can still self-sustain, you know, like, and then we have a pretty prof, we have a pretty habit habitable and sort of self-sustaining country.
Speaker: You know, if we were in, if we were, you know, really hot part of the world or really cold part of the world, like we'd be screwed.
Speaker: But the fact that we have both climates and we do have like enough, you know, um, infrastructure and enough like enterprise in different areas, like we'll be okay.
Speaker: It's just, you know, when you, when you're like yourself and you're, you're on the world scale, looking at everyone else and dealing with people overseas, like
Speaker: Yeah, it does sort of make you feel like shit, like bloody hell, we suck.
Speaker: But I mean, there's a couple of things.
Speaker: I think this is a really interesting topic and here's my views on it.
Speaker: I want you to tell me what you think, full honesty, right?
Speaker: So don't try to side with me.
Speaker: Recently, I've come to realize that Australia is a very lazy country.
Speaker: We call it laid back, but we're super lazy, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: As an example, I'm going to stick to Singapore for a second, right?
Speaker: Singapore has got no export, right?
Speaker: Very important.
Speaker: Singapore has got no natural resources.
Speaker: Like we've got tons of mines.
Speaker: We've got natural gas and,
Speaker: I mean, we've got so much minerals in Australia.
Speaker: It's unimaginable, right?
Speaker: Like it's incredible.
Speaker: We've got this huge, vast land, right?
Speaker: I mean, just it takes three to four, just like always to think about the fact that it takes almost four days to get to the other side of Australia, four or five days, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's a huge country.
Speaker: We've got, you know, Sydney was meant to be, Sydney was considered, and it is still considered one of the biggest cities in the world, right?
Speaker: Now let's compare it to the actual biggest cities in the world.
Speaker: If you look at in comparison to the other big cities that it's priced next to, right?
Speaker: It's priced next to like, hey, like this is Paris, this is New York, London, yeah.
Speaker: Because like when you think about the biggest Sydney, like in cities, right?
Speaker: whenever in a movie talk about like hey paris sydney new york like you always said i heard sydney sydney given that's one of the biggest cities in the world like one of the it's called one of the biggest cities it's not that great like you think about the fact that there's no culture there's not that much culture there's no light life there's aren't even that many restaurants literally that's a
Speaker: Like one thing that you imagine in a big city, like just restaurants, you know, the trains are shit.
Speaker: The buses are crap.
Speaker: The roads are broken.
Speaker: There's so many potholes that I have to replace my wheels at least once a year.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: what are we what am i what am i paying my 30 tax for right compared to compared to living in if i lived in singapore and paid six percent tax and got all the luxuries right yeah and now let me go to the second part why i think australia is lazy um so why i think yeah why are we here i think australia is super lazy is because we are so far away and we could self-sustain we're like yeah you know what
Speaker: Why fix anything that's not broken?
Speaker: And we just kind of kept doing that.
Speaker: And now we're so far behind.
Speaker: I mean, our internet, like we get at tops these days, we start getting 100 down and 40 up.
Speaker: I mean, the rest of the world is at like 300, 400.
Speaker: And we are like, oh, 100 down.
Speaker: Oh, yeah.
Speaker: Sometimes we lose connection if you're with Vodafone.
Speaker: You know, it's all good.
Speaker: No problem at all.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's incredible.
Speaker: And Australians are so chill.
Speaker: They're like, whatever.
Speaker: We'll pay my 30% tax.
Speaker: It's all good.
Speaker: The government needs it.
Speaker: We get free Medicare.
Speaker: but so do other countries.
Speaker: So do Singaporeans and so do Malaysians.
Speaker: Well, I don't know about Malaysians, but so do so many other countries.
Speaker: Yeah, I think Australia just got lazy because they're like, no one's watching.
Speaker: We're in the corner.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, I think it would have been just our government for such a long period of time.
Speaker: And those old heads are still in there.
Speaker: A lot of them are starting to leave.
Speaker: But I reckon we h ad a fair bit of,
Speaker: internal politics from the 60s and 70s and sort of some of the race wars that bled over and when the world had like the soviet union in the us they had the cold war during the 80s and 90s like once we got fully established on the international scene we were just we were literally happy to sit back and chill and we got now we got named and known for that and and then obviously we we signed some big deals with china and that sort of thing to sell our
Speaker: to sell our, um, our resources and then buy them back and then literally buy them back for cheaper.
Speaker: Just that's the way we decided to make money.
Speaker: Um, and then we, um, we sort of relied on the attitude of other people towards Australia, um, to get us by.
Speaker: And then, and people starting to realize when they come over here, like they love it because the people are still really good.
Speaker: And that's probably the most important thing at the end of the day.
Speaker: Like you could have the best stuff in the world.
Speaker: If the people there sucked and it doesn't matter.
Speaker: But yeah, it does, especially with the young bloods coming through now, I think things will change and start to speed up.
Speaker: But it was just our, yeah, it was like our old culture and our old ability just to not care and to be okay with it that sort of led us here.
Speaker: And at the end of the day, like most of the stuff is sort of, even though there's a lot of crappy things, it is all first world stuff.
Speaker: Like we're still super, super blessed beyond, you know, beyond even a lot of Western worlds, like, yeah, Western countries. 100%.
Speaker: But I mean, I look at, compared to America, I mean, you asked me if I want to live in America, I would, I would say I would go rather live in Wodonga or go live in Yars.
Speaker: Not that long ago, US was like the measuring stick and that's already started to, uh,
Speaker: And that's no doubt that's deliberate, bro.
Speaker: They wanted to get rid of the US, like had too much control, bro.
Speaker: They were too powerful, too powerful, too free and too powerful.
Speaker: I don't think they were free.
Speaker: I think America is one of the most uneducated countries for how first were they claimed to be.
Speaker: I'll tell you what it was.
Speaker: I think whenever America said, oh, we're the superpower.
Speaker: They did destroy themselves, though.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: yeah it was americans who were saying that we are a superpower it wasn't like chinese news you know saying america is the new superpower no it was americans who were saying the superpower and australians were like yeah all right sure yeah their superpower but the the like obviously the military but then the control over like entertainment some of these massive things that people love like deep down that's what that's what they lock that shit down yeah and then obviously if you control entertainment and media then
Speaker: Yeah, you can pay in any picture you want, I guess.
Speaker: I mean, you look at, what's his name?
Speaker: The Murdoch, you know, always a great example, right?
Speaker: Murdoch?
Speaker: Rupert Murdoch, yeah.
Speaker: Rupert Murdoch, right?
Speaker: Great example.
Speaker: How much control he had.
Speaker: I think that's what they control.
Speaker: They control the conversations.
Speaker: And they were able to tell the world whatever they wanted.
Speaker: I mean, that's how they- A lot of people forget he started in Australia.
Speaker: Like he's Aussie.
Speaker: He started with Kerry Packer in the sixties and seventies.
Speaker: Like then he jumped over there.
Speaker: Like a lot of people forget that I think.
Speaker: Absolutely.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That's why I mean, I talked about him cause he's an Australian.
Speaker: But it's fascinating.
Speaker: I mean, that's another thing, right?
Speaker: You get some big celebrities' names.
Speaker: I mean, for a while there, some of the big names in Hollywood, actually, even now, you think about Margaret Robbie, Chris Hemsworth, Hugh Jackman, they're like all Australians.
Speaker: But why wouldn't we make our own films here in Australia?
Speaker: The US comes here to shoot their films, right?
Speaker: Because they're coming here.
Speaker: Why don't we just shoot our own films and do our own thing here, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's just, yeah.
Speaker: So there's a lot of, I think, that's what I mean when Australia got lazy.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I thought it was really cool.
Speaker: And I think like most of the Avengers movies were shot in Queensland and stuff.
Speaker: But in Coffs Harbour, Films Australia, like in conjunction with Russell Crowe and sort of the local government and probably federal government as well,
Speaker: They're building a massive film studio in Coffs Harbour.
Speaker: It's actually, so the golf course I work at, the guy that owns, it's called Pacific Bay Resort up north, about 20 minutes away.
Speaker: He sold heaps of his land and it's upwards of three to $400 million that he's going to make off this thing, which is so cool.
Speaker: And they're putting a bypass in here to sort of get traffic out.
Speaker: But anyway, they're building like a four or $500 million film studio in, in Coffs Harbor that they're going to start to work a lot of the bigger films out of that they were doing with, um,
Speaker: like they were doing in the gold coast.
Speaker: And some of those guys are going to move down here and, and sort of make use of the space we have here.
Speaker: And also just the natural landscape that they can film stuff at, which is really cool.
Speaker: And Russell Crowe leaves like sort of just, just outside of cost Harbor too.
Speaker: So he has a pretty big, um, you know, big sort of investment in, in Australian film.
Speaker: Um, and so that's really cool.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, hopefully they're at least moving somewhere.
Speaker: I'm glad doing something, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's, well, it's good.
Speaker: I mean, it's hard to change quickly once you've set the precedence, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I don't watch movies anymore.
Speaker: Me?
Speaker: Me neither.
Speaker: I mean, I still like them when I sit down and watch them and go, oh, these are mad.
Speaker: But I just, I used to, yeah.
Speaker: As soon as the Avengers finished, I'm like, I'm done now.
Speaker: Like, I've put too much effort in.
Speaker: It's time to move on.
Speaker: Yeah, fair.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Hey, I want to change up the conversation a little bit because I think we're midway point.
Speaker: There were a couple of things I wanted to talk to you about.
Speaker: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker: We'll just thrift in there.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: One of them.
Speaker: Have you heard of ChatGPT?
Speaker: No.
Speaker: Really?
Speaker: Actually, just quickly, I will probably, actually, let's finish on Andrew Tate because I want to hear what you, if you know much about his current situation, but let's go back, chat something else right now.
Speaker: Okay, I've got a whole list that we, I mean, we took too long in fluffing, right?
Speaker: Nah, it's okay.
Speaker: We'll save most of that stuff for another podcast as well.
Speaker: We won't do it two hours.
Speaker: We can go in depth here.
Speaker: Let's talk about ChatGPT.
Speaker: It is the AI-powered chat function.
Speaker: You can ask ChatGPT.
Speaker: Is that what it's called?
Speaker: ChatGPT?
Speaker: I've not heard of it before.
Speaker: Chat, chat, chat, GTP.
Speaker: Chat GTP is an AI that you can basically have a conversation with.
Speaker: Like you're talking to me on messenger.
Speaker: It is one of the most powerful, powerful AI ever made available to the general public.
Speaker: Doing uni assessments, you just throw that question in there, it'll write you an essay.
Speaker: You tell it to write you an essay, it will write you an essay.
Speaker: You would tell it to write me an essay in Shakespearean, it'll write you that same essay in Shakespearean.
Speaker: You ask it, you ask it, right?
Speaker: You ask it to write me a rap song about...
Speaker: You write me a rap song about Julia Gillard, but make it like if Eminem wrote it, it will write you a song about Julia Gillard.
Speaker: I saw an example here.
Speaker: It's like fixing up HTML, which I guess is relatively simple compared to what you're talking about.
Speaker: But
Speaker: You're just having some difficulty getting your HTML code and probably just throw it in there and it'll fix it for you.
Speaker: Like that's pretty epic.
Speaker: I'm going to open it now, right?
Speaker: So I want you to think of a question.
Speaker: I want you to think of a complex task like an essay or writing a song, lyric or anything that requires creation.
Speaker: You to sit down and research a whole bunch of things and I want you to come up with a piece of content.
Speaker: So think of a question.
Speaker: See if you can think of a question.
Speaker: Yeah, I've got one.
Speaker: I've got one.
Speaker: Yeah, go for it.
Speaker: How does the body metabolize fats?
Speaker: I'm going to make this better.
Speaker: I'm going to say, give me a song about it.
Speaker: What?
Speaker: I'm underestimating it there.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: It's thinking.
Speaker: I'm going to tell you.
Speaker: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker: It's one of the most powerful things.
Speaker: All right, it's writing.
Speaker: Because...
Speaker: Oh my God.
Speaker: This is so great.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: The body, I'm going to extend your screenshot.
Speaker: So I would rather you read it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Fair enough.
Speaker: Uh, a quick question or a quick statement for you.
Speaker: Like I recently got rid of Instagram.
Speaker: So like I'm still on there, but I have the mobile website saved on my phone and not the app.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: The mobile website is so disgustingly bad.
Speaker: That's the guaranteed way to stop using a social media platform is to download the website.
Speaker: It's so terrible.
Speaker: That is straight facts.
Speaker: You got messenger open in front of you?
Speaker: Uh, yes.
Speaker: Have a read of that.
Speaker: It's still writing.
Speaker: It's still going.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Let me, if you want me to, I can read it away, but either way.
Speaker: No, it's okay.
Speaker: I've got it.
Speaker: Versus, oh my gosh.
Speaker: Read it.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So I'll read the top bit sentence and then I'll read what it put into the song, okay?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So this is how does the body metabolize fat.
Speaker: So the body mobilizes fat through a process called lipolysis, which breaks down stored triglycerides into usable fatty-free acids and glycorol.
Speaker: These are then transported through the bloodstream and used as fuel for energy by cells throughout the body.
Speaker: So verse one, stored away in cells so neat, lyza fuel that can't be beat.
Speaker: Triglycerides stacked high, but they need to move to fly.
Speaker: Chorus, lipolysis, the key to release.
Speaker: Three fatty acids now increase.
Speaker: Glygisarol, two, now in the mix.
Speaker: Energy source, we can't fix it.
Speaker: You tell me.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, I don't need to go anymore because it's hard to keep.
Speaker: Okay, you tell me, is this not one of the most powerful tools the world has ever seen?
Speaker: Like, to be honest, that question was like, you could find that on the first page of Wikipedia.
Speaker: You know what I mean?
Speaker: Like, I'm not trying to shit on it.
Speaker: That was a shit question.
Speaker: But in saying that, like, for them to put it into a song like that and to talk about, like, fixing and increasing, like, that's so crazy, eh?
Speaker: Man, I'm telling you what it can do.
Speaker: And that was very simple.
Speaker: That was very simple for it.
Speaker: I could have said to it, hey, give me that same song.
Speaker: Take this question and answer it in a way that Michael Jordan would speak about it.
Speaker: it would give me in that, like it is so powerful.
Speaker: And the crazy part is it's, they're calling it, it's an infant at the moment.
Speaker: It's not fully developed.
Speaker: It's only consumed 1% of the data that they're planning on feeding it.
Speaker: 1% of the data, this is what it can do.
Speaker: I cannot imagine what it's going to be capable of in five years.
Speaker: It's pretty hectic, eh?
Speaker: You think about- So it's just come out, eh?
Speaker: It's just come out.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It came out two weeks ago, three weeks ago?
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: It is one of the already, I think it's, this is, this is what we've, what we call Web3, right?
Speaker: So this is part of the Web3 and the AI revolution, right?
Speaker: Even just like, like,
Speaker: business, like developing like a business model for a business idea or operational procedures or like work, health, place and safety, just like there's so many avenues that this, that's, this is just, I mean, this is just a curriculum, a school curriculum.
Speaker: it will write you anything you'll write your whole curriculum actually funny enough someone someone asked it to basically here's my student guide write me a plan for best way to approach studying right and give me all the essays win this in this student guide anyway like and it did it what what's crazy this is the what's what fascinates me that this is phase one
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I don't think my imagination is vivid enough to imagine what I can do.
Speaker: Nah, it's one of those things like in the abyss.
Speaker: It's like data, yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, I don't think even the creators know at this point what it will do.
Speaker: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker: It's got like the ability to, you know, continue to like looking at this and talking about limitations.
Speaker: Like they're pretty, they don't go into it because obviously it's going to,
Speaker: take away their product but like they're just like they're mentioning how they're regularly updating and they're wanting user feedback to help on certain things and then it's like false and positive information uh we are particularly interested in feedback regarding a hard for outputs that could occur in the real world non-adversarial conditions as well as feedback that helps us uncover and understand novel risk and potential mitigations like
Speaker: like coming up with a way to bloody well the problem they said the problem was now you're gonna ask it like teach tell me how i can destroy the word in under thirty thousand dollars and it'll say the best way to destroy the entire word and the thirty thousand dollars is that yeah i don't want people to know how to destroy the word under thirty thousand dollars it's sort of like like the gun laws right like you know oh people kill people not guns but then if you have this stuff easily available it's shit's gonna go down so like
Speaker: You know, it does have the potential for that to happen.
Speaker: And I guess it is kind of cool because this sort of stuff was always happening.
Speaker: And for this sort of thing to be coming out into a bright, like, like I'm not on.
Speaker: sort of the current events like I used to be, and I'm not sort of in tuned in, like, I'm not even talking about mainstream, but I I'm not even in tuned into anything anymore.
Speaker: Like I've been sort of laying low in that regard.
Speaker: Um, just minimizing what I take in.
Speaker: Um, but, um, I, I had no idea about this, like not even, I've, I didn't even know what you're talking about.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I'm glad that I was able to introduce you to this.
Speaker: It is so powerful.
Speaker: Um, which, which, which does bring me to, um, ask him about what happened to Andrew Tate.
Speaker: Is he going to get out?
Speaker: I still get his emails every day.
Speaker: I wonder if he's just got him stalled away if he's got one of his boys.
Speaker: I mean, he's still tweeting away.
Speaker: Is he?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, true.
Speaker: Romania probably don't have the...
Speaker: strictest jails.
Speaker: That's a good... Before we move on, right?
Speaker: There's something I want to say about this, right?
Speaker: This is a fascinating concept that's actually come out.
Speaker: I mean, available to public, right?
Speaker: And you're right.
Speaker: The problem with this is similar to the gun control thing, right?
Speaker: It's so powerful because all it takes is a semi-smart dude who's already pissed off to begin with at the word and a breakup.
Speaker: And that man is out to get the word, right?
Speaker: With that kind of choice, right?
Speaker: That's what the problem is, right?
Speaker: Because...
Speaker: There are too many semi-smart people with a lot of grief for the world.
Speaker: Give them a little bit of extra power, unnecessary, that they haven't worked to get.
Speaker: That's what happens, right?
Speaker: Which brings me to talking about power and influence, right?
Speaker: Andrew J is so excited.
Speaker: So we'll end on this.
Speaker: Like we won't, I don't mean we're in now, but this will make this our last thing because we can go into this and then everything else that you had, which is going to be good.
Speaker: And some of the things you sent me about like the communication stuff and like AI more further, we'll go into the next one for sure.
Speaker: Okay, so this is what, I mean, it's weird what the answer is giving me.
Speaker: It wasn't the greatest.
Speaker: And this is why sometimes it doesn't give me the best answer.
Speaker: Sometimes it can lack in answers, right?
Speaker: It does more of thinking things.
Speaker: It can process, not so much find your information like this, right?
Speaker: But as we say, Andrew Tate is a British-American entrepreneur, motivational speaker, kickboxer.
Speaker: He gained fame in 2016 when he appeared on UK reality TV, blah blah, epithets.
Speaker: It just goes on about who he is.
Speaker: And he goes, in 2021, there was a controversy involving Andrew Tate and some of his past statement behavior.
Speaker: He was accused of making racist and sexist statements, as well as bullying and harassment.
Speaker: As a result, he was disinvited from speaking at several events.
Speaker: He lost business partnerships.
Speaker: He since apologized for his past behavior, but the controversy continues.
Speaker: It is, this is what it says.
Speaker: It is important to note the information about Andrew Tate as it is constantly changing.
Speaker: And so is Andrew.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So let's talk about Andrew Tate, right?
Speaker: Number one,
Speaker: bullshit.
Speaker: I do not believe one bit because here's my reason why.
Speaker: And then I'll let you talk, right?
Speaker: You'll have to do most of the talking because I've not been looking into it.
Speaker: I actually was wanting to get it off you.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Because I've seen both sides and I've seen some unbiased people talk about it too that are more worried about legitimate things.
Speaker: But yeah, anyway, keep going.
Speaker: Okay, so first of all, I mean, let's think at the most highest level, right?
Speaker: Let's say we don't, I don't know Andrew Tate, right?
Speaker: I don't know much about this and we don't know about this, right?
Speaker: Much about this, right?
Speaker: Someone said to me, Andrew Tate is practically a billionaire.
Speaker: And he's made his money, you know, in the stock market.
Speaker: He's made his money.
Speaker: He's selling online merchandise, online courses.
Speaker: He's made his money, you know, selling properties and all that stuff and multiple businesses.
Speaker: He was famous from kickboxing, then becoming an internet celebrity, right?
Speaker: And then he was on the side, he was just doing human trafficking.
Speaker: It doesn't make sense, right?
Speaker: First of all, like, you go, well, what, why, if I was human trafficking, why would I be on the media all the time, right?
Speaker: Why would I be showing up on, you know, all these podcasts?
Speaker: Like, wouldn't you not be lying?
Speaker: It makes no sense.
Speaker: And then let's play the devil's advocate.
Speaker: He's a complete fool, which if you hear him talk, you realize it doesn't matter how much you can hate him.
Speaker: You realize he can structure a sentence together.
Speaker: Well, maybe like, and I'm not siding with this opinion, but like when I was thinking about it, like he's maybe he's, you know, he does have such a, like he's so confident in his, in who he is as a person that he's,
Speaker: He even perceives what he's done wrong as something that's not wrong or he just feels like he's above the law.
Speaker: And like, that's not an opinion I share.
Speaker: I'm just sort of like, yeah, again, playing devil's advocate.
Speaker: Like, it's not even like he's stupid, like obviously smart, but he just thinks like, oh, I can figure this out sort of thing.
Speaker: Oh, absolutely.
Speaker: That's probably a strong possibility as well, right?
Speaker: Even his personality, if he can do all that stuff.
Speaker: But it's just more so, it's one of those things that it just feels like it's probably not that much of a return on investment that he would do.
Speaker: Because what they're saying is that he was human trafficking, or he was holding girls to do essentially online cam and OnlyFans, basically.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: And basically getting, forcing them to do it.
Speaker: My secondary question is, why would he need to force girls to do it?
Speaker: Most girls are doing it for free anyway.
Speaker: Right?
Speaker: That's another thing, right?
Speaker: So many girls are doing it themselves.
Speaker: Like, and you know, I always say all power to them.
Speaker: Good on them if they're doing that, right?
Speaker: If they're doing it already, why does he need to force them to do it?
Speaker: Because can't he just find the next girl?
Speaker: He would have, yeah, he would have thousands of DMs of people asking him to, yeah, exactly.
Speaker: Sure, sure.
Speaker: Like, you know what I mean?
Speaker: That's my secondary, like the whole story, right?
Speaker: So if you look at the whole story, you go, okay, well, there's some holes in it, right?
Speaker: It's logically doesn't make sense.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: Once again, I'm willing to get over that.
Speaker: And let's say he's a complete idiot, right?
Speaker: And he goes, nah, this is the better way to do it because I'm this old school masculinity.
Speaker: I'm a tyrant, right?
Speaker: And I'm going to do that.
Speaker: I'm going to hold this girl hostage, make a good choice.
Speaker: Or he's just, he's become a bad dude.
Speaker: Again, I don't, not subscribing to that, but maybe he's just, he's, you know, corrupt, been corrupted.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: absolutely right and that brings me that brings me to the next next topic of how hard the world has come to basically his door it's really interesting he could be a bad evil dude and he's done all that what's really fascinating is how hard the people and the world and the police and the laws come to his door yeah comparative to
Speaker: Let's talk about Epstein.
Speaker: Let's talk about all those cases.
Speaker: Let's talk about Pizzagate.
Speaker: Let's talk about all the files of decades of things of, you know, basically, you know, well, who was the other dude who was, who was the, who was the other dude who was, um, uh, caught to be a pedophile and like children trafficker.
Speaker: I can't remember who it was, but basically, um, it was a, he was a politician.
Speaker: I think I can't remember who it was, but, um,
Speaker: Why didn't the laws and the Polish people come down so hard on those people?
Speaker: It's the real question.
Speaker: I mean, he's just some dude.
Speaker: Let's say even if he's coming, I agree with all that.
Speaker: Let's say he's a bad dude.
Speaker: He's doing human trafficking.
Speaker: He's holding a hostage.
Speaker: And he's probably, let's say if he's done all that, right?
Speaker: Why is the severity so much worse for him?
Speaker: It's the real question.
Speaker: yeah it's those those things don't add up so and then it brings me to brings to the whole speculative thing right um and i don't i don't actually agree with everything he says i just think it's interesting and there are like and they've this whole time they've been releasing 15 second clips of hours long podcasts and taking it out of context about misogyny and all that sort of thing and
Speaker: Those are pretty easy to dispel, but I have heard a couple of like, um, examples of him talking about the way, um, like he had girls that were staying with him and he wasn't like, he wasn't letting them go out.
Speaker: And it was just some of the languages was using.
Speaker: It was just like, you know, like, I think the worst thing he's done is like, you know, like, uh,
Speaker: I don't even know it well enough or him well enough to even make this assessment.
Speaker: But like, even if you use that language and you don't mean it to still use some of that language is, it's not like, it's not like, and to be honest, to be, to be making money off like, like web cam and stuff, I don't find like a very good thing, but like, that's, that's about as bad as it gets.
Speaker: It's just like, he's deciding, you know, he's converted to Islam and he's still making money off this sort of stuff.
Speaker: Like,
Speaker: That's, that's, but that's moral, right?
Speaker: That's not a legal thing.
Speaker: That's like a moral.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, there is technically prostitution is legal in almost every country, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Prostitution is legal.
Speaker: Totally, totally.
Speaker: It's the oldest profession in the world.
Speaker: Oldest profession in the world, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Legal in Australia.
Speaker: No one, no one questions a brothel just randomly, right?
Speaker: They're flashing away with their lights, their flashy lights in the corner.
Speaker: That's an eye, right?
Speaker: the the the online pornography business has been striving as well i mean porn hub is one of the biggest sites in the entire world yeah again like i totally i totally get that morality maybe we not agree with him but he's just he's just conducting business isn't he yeah exactly you know it's it's if we you and i mean i mean he's on legal charges yeah he's on legal charges yeah
Speaker: I think it's a shitty business.
Speaker: I think it's a dumb business.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I wouldn't do it because I think... It's just something that I don't want to get involved in, right?
Speaker: Personally, because whether we find it immoral or not, I don't find it a cool business, right?
Speaker: I don't want to... It's not something that I can brag about, almost like...
Speaker: yeah so what you mean um yeah so if but if he does if it makes him because he that that would have happened for him being there or not he just placed himself in the middle of it he's just making money off it right and it fits the lifestyle as well um and then obviously you know like it looks like he's out there partying all the time but he's a he's a guy that'll work 16 hours a day and he's just grinding so like
Speaker: he'll make these public appearances, but he's working.
Speaker: So it's not even like he's like a B&A playboy that's just out banging everyone.
Speaker: So much of what he does is like he's just a hustler.
Speaker: Yeah, but people forget what he's really good at.
Speaker: And I think this is his three things.
Speaker: And this is something, in a way, whether we like him or not, we can learn from as well.
Speaker: He's a really good performer.
Speaker: That's what he's doing most of the time.
Speaker: He's putting on performance, right?
Speaker: Yeah, totally.
Speaker: He's practically just acting, right?
Speaker: and he's a good storyteller and he tells incredible stories great storyteller yeah and he tells it and does that both in a very captivating way yeah and when you can do that which is quite powerful right so that's why and people forget that people take his stuff and they go oh well just he's like
Speaker: you know, oh, he's a scumbag, but he's just probably, he's making half of his shit up, right?
Speaker: It's really interesting.
Speaker: Just exaggerating.
Speaker: It's exaggerating.
Speaker: Like some of the things that he says, right?
Speaker: He goes, oh, this is what he said.
Speaker: He said, I've never read a book, right?
Speaker: And if you read, and I read a lot of books, right?
Speaker: And sometimes I've heard himself, he directly quotes books, right?
Speaker: And he goes, I've never read a book, right?
Speaker: And what's interesting is, and this is another thing.
Speaker: So there's a Robert Greene's 48 Laws of Power, right?
Speaker: And this is one of the laws in power.
Speaker: It goes, do things and make him look like it was effortless, right?
Speaker: So imagine you learned how to play.
Speaker: It took you six years to learn how to play the violin.
Speaker: just be like, oh, I just dabble a little and just pick up and start playing like a pro.
Speaker: Right?
Speaker: Totally.
Speaker: And that's one of the laws of power, right?
Speaker: People assume you're superior after that.
Speaker: I heard a great quote from the late Shane Warne.
Speaker: I can't believe he's gone, but
Speaker: He said that he was a dad, he loved Australia and he bowled a bit of leg spin.
Speaker: You know, that's what his look on life was.
Speaker: Like, he's the greatest spin baller of all time.
Speaker: He's like, I'm a dad, I love Australia and I bowled a bit of leg spin on the side as well.
Speaker: It's like, right?
Speaker: Powerful.
Speaker: All of a sudden, when someone says that to you, right, despite the fact that you've been grinding away, you know, it changes the game.
Speaker: Like, it's something like, I remember...
Speaker: When I was in Singapore, I was just catching up with someone and I said, hey, one thing led to another.
Speaker: We said, hey, let's go lift some weights together, right?
Speaker: And then they were like, oh, let's go to the gym together, right?
Speaker: Someone, not a colleague, but essentially acquaintance from another company that I was talking to.
Speaker: So I went to the gym and then before that, and this is great, right?
Speaker: Because I did that and as a joke, I was like, oh, you must train, right?
Speaker: I was like, oh, yeah, here and there, whenever I can find time, right?
Speaker: I went to the gym, you know, and then like, let's slap on some plates on the bench press.
Speaker: No, no, keep going.
Speaker: Let's see how far we can push this, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: the look on people's face is price lit after that right so which is fascinating that he says he never reads books and talks like that of course he reads book like you can't become that level of uh what's the word um cereblar cereblar cereble anyway well yeah if you're cerebral but it's really probably looking for a verb of it like his intellect he's um
Speaker: Well, you can essentially vocalize your thoughts in... Yeah, articulate.
Speaker: Articular.
Speaker: You cannot do that without consuming a lot of academia, essentially.
Speaker: Yeah, 100%.
Speaker: You look at Jordan Peterson is another great example.
Speaker: He can vocalize, articulate things really well.
Speaker: He gets that from reading material over the years.
Speaker: So much materials that we cannot even comprehend.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And one thing that these guys do, like particularly the guys that are in those sort of,
Speaker: you know, evidence-based industries is the, like, you know, how you read a news article or scroll through social media, but you do that for peer-reviewed research.
Speaker: Like, that's one of the things I want to be able to start doing is, like, to get invested in doing that.
Speaker: Like, and then you're just getting where you give your information from, that's where they get their information from, like, going directly, directly to the source, like, as unfiltered as possible.
Speaker: And learning how to decipher that and, yeah, that sort of thing, that'd be really cool.
Speaker: But it's like, yeah, I know what you mean.
Speaker: And to touch back on just the previous little point you were talking about, like,
Speaker: logically the stuff doesn't add up and ensure like at the moment we're just hearing one side of the narrative you know he's obviously the legal system over there is not like what it is over here you know we haven't heard too much from a legal standpoint from him but he seems to be you know i didn't realize he's still on twitter but he's looking at his twitter page for a minute there he seems to be in a good place and this you'd imagine probably gonna
Speaker: you know, go away pretty soon.
Speaker: Uh, when it, whenever it does, and I don't know if he'll want to stay in Romania or not, like, what do you feel like he wants to go?
Speaker: Well, he just moved to, I feel like Saudi Arabia or yeah, that's probably, that's where he was before that.
Speaker: Is it Saudi or is it, um, Dubai?
Speaker: Dubai.
Speaker: Sorry.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Um, I was getting confused cause Saudi Arabia.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But they're right next to each other.
Speaker: Um, and so what's the, um, my geography is shit.
Speaker: I think it's Saudi Arabia, right?
Speaker: Oh my God.
Speaker: I'm having a blank.
Speaker: What's the other one that starts with a, oh, this is terrible.
Speaker: No one's listening to this part of the podcast.
Speaker: So it's all right.
Speaker: No, okay.
Speaker: No, no, no.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I may go, oh my God.
Speaker: We are actually, oh my God.
Speaker: We need to cut this out because this is so sad.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Cause I was literally looking at the map the other day.
Speaker: Oh, United, United Emirates.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: UAE.
Speaker: UAE.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: No, no, no.
Speaker: You were right.
Speaker: You were right.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So we go to Dubai.
Speaker: It's a small little pocket.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: UAE is a city in Dubai and then we go Saudi Arabia and then Qatar is another little country.
Speaker: It's on.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker: But it's hectic and there's like a lot of sort of biblical and also like Islamic history from Saudi all the way up to like Israel and Egypt and that.
Speaker: Like that's sort of what I'm learning about at the moment.
Speaker: But it's fascinating how small UAE is and they've got such that big influence.
Speaker: But anyway, let's cut that.
Speaker: So it was about from a minute or two.
Speaker: Before we move on, right, I have one question for you.
Speaker: What do you think?
Speaker: About him?
Speaker: What do you think?
Speaker: Yeah, okay, that answer.
Speaker: Yeah, go for it.
Speaker: Is that what you meant?
Speaker: Like what I think about entertain?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I was like the same.
Speaker: Like I was like, this guy's so cool.
Speaker: Like I wanted to, I wanted to hear him on Joe Rogan's podcast.
Speaker: And I'm not answering the question, but I wanted to hear him on Joe Rogan's podcast just because Joe's so good at like,
Speaker: so good at like asking people the right questions when he feels like they're not clarifying information well enough or he's like he's just good at asking follow-up questions.
Speaker: And all the interviews that I've seen of Andrew Tate's and not the stupid one he did with that English bloke that's an idiot, but like all the really long, like I watched like four hours of a six-hour podcast that he did with this bloke.
Speaker: He was a good business guy.
Speaker: And so like all the questions are really good.
Speaker: He answered well for himself, but I still feel like I haven't seen him really pushed like on morally on some things.
Speaker: And then, and, and then obviously on just on some of the stuff that maybe recently has happened.
Speaker: I'd like to get a few answers on that.
Speaker: And it's a good reminder to even the most respect you have for people, even like Andrew Tate.
Speaker: And like, I wouldn't,
Speaker: compare Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson together but those type of guys that you really look up to to remember that they are human at the end of the day and they have skeletons in their closets like we all do and you know and me being a young male who put those sort of people on the pedestal in the past like to remember that they are
Speaker: they are human as well.
Speaker: They can make mistakes and they can lead lives that maybe we don't realize what they're doing.
Speaker: But for me, I just feel like he's a guy that probably, he probably needs to get out of the industry.
Speaker: He's got to a point now where he's beyond this, you know what I mean?
Speaker: Like, but I think he's, he's,
Speaker: the worst crime he's done is maybe be a bit of a shit bloke.
Speaker: Um, he's definitely, I don't think, you know, and maybe some tax evasion as well, but that's the real world.
Speaker: Everyone's evading tax.
Speaker: Like that's, you know, it's, it's, it's beyond, it's beyond the joke.
Speaker: But, um, the fact that it's like, um,
Speaker: Yeah, I don't think they're going to try to kill him, but it's sort of getting a bit crazy.
Speaker: So I don't know.
Speaker: What's crazy?
Speaker: Does that answer make sense?
Speaker: It does.
Speaker: It does.
Speaker: These are all things that never make your enemy's predictions come true.
Speaker: Because then you turn a man into a messiah, essentially.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That's what, that's what they did with him.
Speaker: He said that's what they were going to do.
Speaker: Everything.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: The problem, problem thing is that's exactly what happened to him.
Speaker: So yeah.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: It's, it's, it's interesting.
Speaker: Let's see.
Speaker: I'm fascinated.
Speaker: I'm fascinated to find out what happens to him.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And you sort of gave your answer, but do you feel sort of along the same lines?
Speaker: Yeah, I do.
Speaker: I mean, I've, I've never, I've never hold people,
Speaker: I've never had an idol, if that makes sense.
Speaker: I think you know that about me.
Speaker: I've never looked up to anyone.
Speaker: I've never had favorite artists.
Speaker: I don't have favorite influences.
Speaker: I have none of that, right?
Speaker: And I agree.
Speaker: I like some of the things that Andrew Tate says.
Speaker: And if you listen back to our podcast alone, some of the things we're literally saying that he's talking to him, right?
Speaker: I mean, I'd say I love him.
Speaker: Like, and I don't mean that in a way like, you know, like I want to die for him, but I mean, like I'd go to war for Edwin Tate, but like, I think he's, yeah, I think he's awesome.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So I think, I think some of the things he says, I'm glad that someone needed to say them because I was too afraid that someone was going to come to my house and burn me down because I said it.
Speaker: I'm glad that he's saying some of those things.
Speaker: And I remember when COVID first started, we were talking about it and,
Speaker: You know, we were so like walking on eggshells around it and he was, he openly had that conversation.
Speaker: Those things I really enjoy about him.
Speaker: I don't know what, I think it's better to wait and find out what happens next.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's the best.
Speaker: I mean, if he did it, he should go to prison.
Speaker: If he didn't do it, if he didn't do it, we really need to go hard after the, everyone needs to go hard after the powers to be.
Speaker: Because if it is, it's a bit of a joke.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Beyond, yeah, for sure.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I think that pretty much answers the question.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I think that's pretty much, that's a solid podcast.
Speaker: I think we've covered a whole platter of topics.
Speaker: We've banged it out really well and we've hit it.
Speaker: We've hit it at a nice point here too.
Speaker: That was a good one there.
Speaker: No, no, I reckon.
Speaker: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker: There is one last question that I have for you as well.
Speaker: Cause this is, as we haven't done a podcast for a solid year, right?
Speaker: I want to get your point of view on the current world situation.
Speaker: There's a lot happening.
Speaker: A lot over the past few, almost in the past 12 months, there has a lot happened.
Speaker: That's the only way to put it a lot with the good for the bad.
Speaker: I mean, the Dalai Lama works for the CIA, right?
Speaker: That's, you know, a lot, right?
Speaker: A lot has happened.
Speaker: We've got wars, we've got plagues, we've got, we've got Andrew Tate, we've got the rise of Andrew Tate, we've got the fall of Andrew Tate, we've got, you know, we've got global warming, we've got, you know,
Speaker: I don't know if you heard about the Pakistani government essentially got removed basically by America, the government that was in power previously.
Speaker: They just got removed.
Speaker: Right, wow.
Speaker: Physically, well, not physically, but like essentially they got removed and put in a new government that they wanted.
Speaker: And then same thing, there's other stuff going on.
Speaker: I mean, China taking over, all this stuff.
Speaker: Just so much happened.
Speaker: Taiwan, yeah.
Speaker: Taiwan.
Speaker: And I think I've only just touched on like 10% of the things that happened in the past 12 months.
Speaker: Thoughts?
Speaker: If you could sum up, what do you think after me saying all that?
Speaker: What would you say?
Speaker: That's pretty good.
Speaker: That's pretty good.
Speaker: Well, none of it's surprising.
Speaker: There's some stuff that hurts or hits harder or is initially more surprising than others, but at the end of the day, you think about...
Speaker: you think about what greed does to people and what does the nations and wars and that sort of thing, like it's not a surprise.
Speaker: And like, I'm going to go back to like an old chestnut here, but like this is sort of like as old as time itself, like the fervor that, you know, society goes away from God and for me in particular, Jesus Christ, but the fervor that society goes away from God.
Speaker: the further it's going to fall down the rabbit hole and the quicker it's going to fall down the rabbit hole.
Speaker: And I think in the last 100 years, in particular, like in education and in public discord, atheism is really becoming, you know, like the third world religion behind Islam and Christianity.
Speaker: I think with all that stuff happening, like those, those, that's not a coincidence.
Speaker: Um, so it's, yeah, I just think it's, yeah, people are just like, not their morals are all jacked up because they, they're not, they're, they're their own higher power.
Speaker: They don't look up to something that's hot, bigger than themselves.
Speaker: So, um,
Speaker: And that's not people in general.
Speaker: I mean, technically, yes, it is because it's human beings doing it, but that's when people come together and it's about like, how can we be better and how can we do more and how big can we get?
Speaker: It just happens.
Speaker: And pretty much everything that you just talked about, like it all comes from like greed and some form of like depravity, some selfish interests, I believe, yeah.
Speaker: Fair point.
Speaker: Do you think atheists are just lazy?
Speaker: Nah, so there's, yeah, for sure.
Speaker: Like it is, it's, it's actually a pretty complex topic.
Speaker: So I understand being lazy on it.
Speaker: If I, if I was like, if I wasn't raised in a Christian home, like maybe I would be lazy as well, but there is actually atheism, which is a belief in, you think that there actually isn't anything.
Speaker: And there's a, another area, which is probably a lot more people are there than they realize it's called agnostic.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And, and you're sort of open, you just can't be bothered or you actually don't know.
Speaker: I think a lot more people are agnostic than atheists.
Speaker: And the actual evidence for atheism versus non atheism is so strong on the non atheism side that you're actually like quite close minded, even scientifically to be an atheist nowadays.
Speaker: Um, so I think the agnostic is a lot more of the pop of the window, but yeah, like it's, I understand like I'm a lazy bastard too.
Speaker: So, you know,
Speaker: it's recently um so oh man is this what happens let's i mean we'll go let's just let's aim for uh 15 15 minutes right an hour 15 over 15 we'll go about three minutes later yeah just quickly let's put this topic down write it down write it
Speaker: I'll write this down.
Speaker: Such a good question.
Speaker: I think I recently realized that I used to look at religion from a very technical, arrhythmic point of view, like a mathematical question.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I came to a realization that that was the worst possible way of looking at it, like the worst possible lens.
Speaker: the idea behind faith wasn't that my questions were answered the way I wanted them to be.
Speaker: It was more so about the fact that
Speaker: Literally, the whole point of was having the faith, whether I know the answer or not.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Which was quite a weird realization because I was looking at it from like, I need this answered because it's technicality.
Speaker: Like math.
Speaker: Mathematical, right?
Speaker: It was a fascinating revolution for me.
Speaker: So anyway, now I just think, I keep thinking that atheists are just lazy.
Speaker: yeah they don't want to realize that right and and so like i believe there comes a point when you take in all the information that you have to get to the faith point and and like if the spirit is real if we actually have spirits then there's no physical way of proving it because it's not a physical thing but like there is a lot of there is a lot of really good evidence and i didn't even know this for a long period of time and i don't know a lot of the evidence but
Speaker: For the longest period of time, I was of your camp where I felt like you just have to have thankful about everything.
Speaker: Just believe.
Speaker: You can actually find out a lot of things that are true or not true.
Speaker: You know what I mean?
Speaker: And the book that I gave you actually breaks down some stuff.
Speaker: I was like, oh, this is wow.
Speaker: But at the end of the day, it comes down to faith.
Speaker: But you can go through a lot of good math before you get there as well.
Speaker: But yeah, I'm on the same page as you for sure.
Speaker: I think that sounds like a great plan.
Speaker: Uh, thanks for that.
Speaker: You didn't mute yourself at the end.
Speaker: That's okay.
Speaker: I did.
Speaker: I did briefly mute myself.
Speaker: I was listening to you, right?
Speaker: Yeah, totally agree.
Speaker: I think that was a great way to kind of end the podcast.
Speaker: So I think it's good to be back.
Speaker: So hopefully we can do a couple more of these.
Speaker: And if you don't, you'll hear from us within a year.
Speaker: 2024, new year.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: Definitely.
Speaker: We're back.
Speaker: We're back banging.
Speaker: And yeah, we've got some good topics that we can get into.
Speaker: And that one there is good.
Speaker: And then just asking each other questions like that, like open up a whole nother lens and
Speaker: And we're still a lot closer together, even though we don't see each other all that much.
Speaker: Like we're still right there alongside each other, I believe.
Speaker: Oh, for sure.
Speaker: I mean, whether that's, you know, even if we just jump on and laugh at a couple of things, I think that's a good enough hour for me, to be honest.
Speaker: Yeah, it goes from there.
Speaker: And this has been our entire catch-up as well.
Speaker: We didn't have 40 minutes before we started to...
Speaker: It was good.
Speaker: It was good.
Speaker: Good rhythm.
Speaker: I think it's a good return.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: I'll say 34 episode there or thereabouts.
Speaker: That's it.
Speaker: As it strokes over midnight.
Speaker: But yeah, beautiful.
Speaker: The 19th of January.
Speaker: We really appreciate you guys tuning in if you've made it this far.
Speaker: And yeah, reach out on the socials or just DM us if you want us to talk about anything or if you
Speaker: want to reprimand us about anything we've said uh that okay we'll be using us i said a quarter little let's bring it all on but uh and and of course if you want to come on we'd love to have a few more guests some of our best episodes have been with extra people on so i've got a few people that i'd like to have on as well um and and we'll definitely do that that'll be a good way to keep doing that but yeah thanks so much for listening and love you thanks for joining
